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From: TBache9248@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:56:23 EST
Subject: Wheels for sale

Hi All,
I have a set of 5 Discovery O.E. steel wheels 16x7 RTC 5193 for sale with the
lug nuts for 4.  Price is $400.00 for the set including shipping anywhere in
zone 2 UPS. Same rims as on 94 D90's unless fittied with the optional alloys.
Nice upgrade for Series owners, tubeless too!

Tom Bache
Avondale, PA

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From: Leger Marc-Andre <mleger@wefa.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:58:05 -0500 
Subject: Life !

Hey guy's (and gals), I just got a call from Canada, my brother just told me
his wife is expecting... So I need to sell the Lightweight ASAP, preferably
before chrismas. My brother owns part of it and could use the money... I
don't want to buy him out as I would rather spend more money on my D90 !

If you know of anyone who could be interested, I would sell at 8K$.

It's fully restored and is in Philly. You can see it before and after at
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Station/8098/restorat.htm

Thanks

   }\/\/\/\{ Marc-Andre Leger
   |       | Network Eng.
  ()()---, | WEFA inc.
 (_        | 800 Baldwin Tower
   |_______| Eddystone Pennsylvania
   -/\-----| USA 19022
  |/\/ , , | (610) 490-2763
  /\/  |_| | mailto:ma.leger@wefa.com
  -~    || | http://www.wefa.com
  |_____||_| http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Station/8098/

"Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new."  Albert
Einstein  

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 98 08:25:17 -0800
Subject: Mercruzer engine for sale- forwarded

Subject:
RE:Sadly I have to leave the fold for a while ;-( Mercruiser/Sunbird 
rebuilt
engine(and possibly a Scotty's conversion)for sale

 Hey guys, Obviously since I am unsubscribed now please reply to me
privately as I will not be getting any more lro digest for a long time! 
:-(

Kinda forgot to say that, but it should be obvious

 Just a note of thanks to any and all the members of the list that have 
been
able to give advice that has helped me with my land-rovers over time.....
Snip 
snip
.....I also have a Scotty's conversion that might be available as well for
the right price.

 The engine has not even left the assembly bench in the garage and has a
protective coat of bearing/cam lube on all important surfaces.Oil pump
packed etc..

Anyone willing or interested in contacting me, see below.

Paul

P.S. Note the following:

>>>> unsubscribe lro-digest
Succeeded.
>>>> unsubscribe lro-digest
so no one can start flaming me as long as the major says it is so!  ;-)
I just never did understand why people had so much trouble unsubscribing.

See y'all soon(translated-five years)

Paul Archibald
paarch@jps.net
home 510/353-1320
work 408/998-4445 ext 139  (R. W. James Packaging Corp.) Wooden
boxes/crates, shock and vibration testing, packaging supplies, etc.....

Living vicariously through others for a while!!!! ;-(

Paul Archibald
paarch@jps.net
home 510/353-1320
work 408/998-4445 ext 139  (R. W. James Packaging Corp.) Wooden
boxes/crates, shock and vibration testing, packaging supplies, etc.....

Living vicariously through others for a while!!!! ;-(

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:43:30 -0000
Subject: Re: Hub Seals & Castleated nuts

oooh, d'you know the cholesterol level of a pizza?

(from one  knows it's way above what he can have to live :-(> )
anyway, enjoy

Frank ( whose ISP is being silly over his PKV sig) Elson

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Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 13:33:35 -0700
Subject: half shaft composition

 
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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 10:58:54
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel and Aluminum

	Stainless is the fastener of choice for aluminum in the marine
environment.  type 304 and 316 fasteners are commonly used in aluminum
masts and the masts last for decades.  We built and launched our Westsail
32 in 1974.  We sailed the boat to the South Pacific and around the
Hawaiian Islands until we sold it in 1984.  The new owner has sailed the
boat to the trust territories, Australia, NZ, and back through Polynesia.
All of this with the same fasteners in the 24 year old mast.  The mast was
painted when new and the fasteners were installed with 'never seize' and
any bronze fittings like winch bases had an insulating gasket.  Before the
new buyer went on their cruise, they stripped the mast and repainted it but
the fasteners were still in good condition and had not eaten the aluminum
in the mast.  Most of these fasteners were tapped into the aluminum and all
the hardware like halyard sheave axles were stainless and resting directly
on the aluminum without any insulating medium.  The entire weight of the
rig at the base was resting on a 1+" stainless axle pin that allowed the
mast to pivot, by the way.
	Aircraft aluminum alloys may be different than boat alloys but I 
wouldn't
be that concerned about stainless fasteners eating up the rover.  If you
look at the Galvanic tables, I think you will find that stainless steel is
pretty damn close to plain steel.  If memory serves me right, its only a
step or two removed.  Having said that, an insulating layer under any
fastener against Aluminum is a good idea.  I have seen rover aluminum
disappear completely from behind good but rusty steel plates and fasteners
on a generally very corroded rover.  The paint had broken down and allowed
direct contact in a salty environment.  For those of you going through a
rebuild, put some inert material like vinyl window material or some other
form of thin plastic like electrical tape under the washers of fasteners or
the body mounts on the rear cross member and any other place that you have
direct contact with the aluminum.  An ounce of protection, especially if
you live in the salty north, will go a long way to keeping the aluminum
intact long after the steel parts have been eaten by the rustermite.
	Marin, we were in your fair city over Thanksgiving.  Those people that 
say
its rainy and overcast in Seattle are liars.  We had partly cloudy
conditions and it was near 50 most every day and the sun came out quite
often.  Of course you had near hurricane winds and torrential rains up
until the day we arrived and it was gray and rainy as we drove out to the
airport on Sunday when we left but that was probably just a momentary break
in the usual tropical, sunny winter in Seattle.

Aloha Peter

Stainless steel is much higher on the Galvanic chart than
>aluminum alloy.  When you introduce an electrolyte, and window channels
>especially collect salts and other chemicals plus the water that soaks the
>felts and sits in the channel, an electrical current will flow between the
>metals that are in contact, and the metal that's lower on the chart will
>begin to dissolve, or corrode.  

C. Marin Faure>At 07:34 AM 11/30/98 -0500, you wrote:

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From: caloccia@senie.com
Date: 4 Dec 1998 21:34:10 -0000
Subject: lists should be back

Sorry 'bout the over-zealous digester...guess Major didn't get enough Turkey
last week...

The mailers should be back on track and the digests for the last two days
(981203, 981204) have been restored.

for the lro list you can ask major (majordomo@land-rover.team.net) for a
completed copy by sending the commands

get lro-digest 981203.txt
get lro-digest 981204.txt

similarly for the uk-lro-digest list messages:
get uk-lro-digest 981203.txt
get uk-lro-digest 981204.txt

or range rover / coil sprung messages:
get cso-digest 981203.txt
get cso-digest 981204.txt

or you can peruse the web copy of LRO at: at 
	Year-1998/981203.html
	Year-1998/981204.html
	Year-1998/hourly.html

RRO list at:
	RRO/981203.html
	RRO/981204.html
	RRO/hourly.html

UK-LRO at
	UK/981203.html
	UK/981204.html
	UK/hourly.html

Cheers,
	-Bill

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <rgdushin@blackcat.cat.syr.edu>
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:42:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: lost '60-'61 SII 

In search of the whereabouts of a 1960 (1961) SII ser number
144102116.  Not stolen, just wandered off way back in '67 and
I'm wondering if anyone out here has seen the boy.  Originally
a blue soft top but who knows what he looks like today.

Some history: This rig was *the* car that appeared at the
1960 NYC car show in Grand Central Station.  Then was driven
to a horse show/country fair in Yorktown, NY (the "Yorktown
Grange Fair").  My parents happened to be there, and after
my mother fell in love with it she spoke with the sales
person...she said "I love this car" and he replied "you'd better,
because your husband just bought it for you".  Actually,
I was always told it was *my* rover, having been born the
same year a few months earlier and been the one to bust
the bubble, so to speak - prior to that my parents only owned
a '57 VW bug and a '49 MG TC, niether of which could tote
around a family of five which subsequently grew to seven in
the years that followed.

Collective recollections have it that there was something
"new and coming" about this rig.  Methinks it may well have
been a "transition" Rover (SII to SIIa) and the salesman
touted it as having some special features though I know
not what they were.  Reason for the year ambiguity is that
it was purchased in '60 but has a serial number of a '61 SII,
and perhaps this was one of the first '61s to arrive in 
the US (it being in the car show and all).

>From June of '60 to mid-summer of '67 this Rover saw lotsa
work on the family farm.  Mostly pulling horses and spreading
their manure, but also moving wood and tons of rocks that 
now make up one long stone wall.  Some of my fondest memories
are of riding in the spare wheel keeping an eye out for rocks
while moving through fields grown tall with grass (long since
overgrazed, I'm ashamed to say.) Also have vivid memories
of jaunts to the drive-in, with a board placed across the back
for the three kids and a load of blankets and pillows; frequent 
struggles of the brats in back would ensue for the warm spot above
the exhaust.  Oh, and I got lots of sexual education watching early
Bond flicks in this rig...and early lessons in self-control.

Dad rolled this Rover in '67 while towing a load of wood. Sufferred
nothing more than a bump on the head and cut his way out of the
soft top (doors were jammed) with his Swiss Army knife.  (Soon
thereafter the 'rents bought a '67 SIIa we still own.) The '60 was
then sold to a fellow named Frank Singer, who converted it to
a cab top.  Frank had it for a few years and sold it to Helmut
Buckholtz in Highland Falls, NY, who for a short time sold
Land Rovers.  No idea at all where it went from there but perhaps
someone out there does....

If you've seen him, please let me know...I'll even supply some
early photos of this rover and my fuzzy little head.  Please reply direct
(rgdushin@blackcat.cat.syr.edu) if you've got any solid leads.

thanks in advance with fingers crossed,
rd/nige

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From: "Braman Wing" <bcw6@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 14:36:41 PST
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel and Aluminum

I am very surprised you haven't had any corrosion problems in your boat. 
My experience with my Rover is vastly different. As you say, it is most 
likely a matter of a different alloy aluminum. 

I live in a very high salt environment(largest salt mine in NE just down 
the road, so it is cheaper than dirt here)I used 304 and 316 stainless 
bolts on all non-critical bolts when I rebuilt my body and bulkhead.( I 
had not heard of galvanic corrosion at the time). Now, 2 years later, 
the stainless bolts have ravaged thealuminum wherever they contact it. 
The corrosion is amazing. The seat box and rear floor, which are very 
thick and were perfect 2 years ago have corroded completely through in 
the areas around the stainless. 

The galvanic chart is as follows:

Magnesium, Zinc, Aluminum, Cadmium, Steel, Cast Iron, Stainless Steel, 
Lead, Tin, Nickel, Brass, copper, Bronze, Monel, Silver, Titanium, 
Graphite, Gold, Platinum, with Platinum being the most noble and 
Magnesium the least. 

Note that most non-stainless bolts are cad or zinc plated, both of which 
are right next to Al on the chart. So, going from Cad plated to 
stainless moves you from 1 step to 4 steps away. I remember a thread on 
Birmabright recently, what was finally decided about the alloy? 

Stainless fasteners sure are nice to work on, but they have cost me 
several body panels. Also note that in general, teh stainless fasteners 
you buy at a marine store are significantly weaker than grade 5 steel 
bolts. If you must use stainless bolts in a ritical application such as 
suspension mounts, make sure they are strong enough or get 
aircraft-grade. Cad plated with never-sieze is definitely the way to go 
in my mind. 

Sorry to ramble, just want to prevent people repeating my dumb mistakes.

Braman

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:36:34 -0600
Subject: RE: half shaft composition[multipart mime alternative 5 lines deleted.]

>I know in the past several people have asked about the composition of
>half shafts, however I didn't see any replies. Did anyone ever find out?
>I am looking into having a shop make me a set of half shafts out of
>aircraft grade steel. The machinist was wondering what grade the
>originals were.
>Jim Hall
>Elephant Chaser 1966 88"

Sorry Jim, never could found out.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:46:16 -0600
Subject: RE: half shaft composition[multipart mime alternative 5 lines deleted.]

Errrrr, never could FIND out, that is, sorry!

>>I know in the past several people have asked about the composition of
>>half shafts, however I didn't see any replies. Did anyone ever find out?
> [ truncated by lro-lite (was 9 lines)]
>>Jim Hall
>>Elephant Chaser 1966 88"
>Sorry Jim, never could found out.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 18:36:27 -0500
Subject: Re: manuals

Bob and Sue Bernard wrote:

> In fact the Haynes seems to be a pretty good book for most things.
> Here in the states, we have chilton for most cars and it is pretty
> miserable compared to Haynes.

Haynes has a large operation in the US, and has manuals for many US
market vehicles including domestics. Most of the discount auto parts
places around here carry their US line. However, the Series LR manual is
not part of the US line, and is not distributed by Haynes in theUS. You
have to order it from a LR specialist who imports it directly from the
UK.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:42:35 -1000
Subject: Alt. Question

waaahoooie.  da list is back  :-)

I am going to be replacing the generator in the project with a Delco Alt.
Hopefully I am going to be able to get to the salvage yard early next week
to get some shoulder reel seat belts and the alt.  I saw a couple of late
70's GMs the other day that had the correct wiring plug set up.  I was
wondering:

1)   if there is any external way of telling how many amps they are rated
for?

2)  Is there a rating that would be too high for the rover?  I have a 110amp
in the GMC, would something like that work?

3)  Was also thinking of locating a seat with a taller back on her.  Anyone
know of one of hand that I should keep my eyes open for?

Many thanks
Pete

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 14:45:56 -1000
Subject: Re: manuals

>Haynes has a large operation in the US, and has manuals for many US
>market vehicles including domestics. Most of the discount auto parts
>places around here carry their US line. However, the Series LR manual is
>not part of the US line, and is not distributed by Haynes in theUS. You
>have to order it from a LR specialist who imports it directly from the
>UK.

I hate to be disagreeable, but I have seen Haynes manuals for a wide variety
of British cars at Barnes & Knoble and Borders book stores.  My LR manual
and the Haynes LR Restorations manual I picked up at a small foreign auto
parts store in VA, but I have seen both over the years at both books
sellers.
Pete.

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 20:32:05 -0500
Subject: Re: manuals

Peter Hope wrote:

> I hate to be disagreeable, but I have seen Haynes manuals for a wide
> variety
> of British cars at Barnes & Knoble and Borders book stores.

Yep, Haynes manuals for lots of cars are widely available at autoparts
stores, bookstores, etc.

>  My LR manual
> and the Haynes LR Restorations manual I picked up at a small foreign
> auto
> parts store in VA, but I have seen both over the years at both books
> sellers.

The US arm of Haynes doesn't seem to distribute the LR manuals for some
reason, but others import them. BTW, Haynes has a website at
www.haynes.com.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:46:00 -0800 
Subject: seetz

     Clinton wrote:
     
     >  I would *love* to get my hands on a set of high back early 90/110 
     >seats for about 50 pounds or so....

Good Luck
I got a set from Seth at BB, I over heard him talking about them at the 
OVLR 
b'day party. Called up a few months later and got the set for $150. All 
three. 
They were a wee bit worn but VERY serviceable...But...they were missing the 
frames and the sliding tracks. Frames were going for $279 a piece from RN. 

     So the frames on a series don't fit eh?

Europarts offered em for $200 a piece. I called almost every parts supplier 
I 
could find in LROi and finally after about two weeks I secured a secondhand 
set 
from Avon for 50 quid. Tack on another 57 quid for shipping, and now the 
seats 
are $320...Why am I telling you all this, you ask? Wel, here's the skinny. 
They 
are next to impossible to find over here, especially old beat up ones. 
According to reliable sources they were going for L100 apiece at Sodbury. 
Seen 
em myself in LOOT for L40 apiece. I'd hate to have to pay shipping on seats 
from the UK. How much is shipping for the Trakkers or similar? They might 
be 
the more economical alternative if you simply want a high back for safety, 
which was my main goal.

     You mightbe right there.  I will have to check it out...

 btw, I sold my good condition SIII seat set which 
helped to defray the cost a bit.

If you *can* lay your hands on a set of defender seats, I highly recommend 
them. I've seen some aftermarket high backs, and these are of a much higher 
quality. And comfy too :)

     Which aftermarktet ones?  Trakkers or Mr. Fastards/
     
     Clinton
     
     Guess I am going to be making my own seat backs....
     

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From: "KMCO" <KMCO@KEAR.TDS.NET>
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 22:13:02 -0500
Subject: Re: half shaft composition[multipart mime alternative 5 lines deleted.]

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 23:41:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Alt. Question

Peter Hope wrote:

> waaahoooie.  da list is back  :-)
> I am going to be replacing the generator in the project with a Delco Alt.
> Hopefully I am going to be able to get to the salvage yard early next week
> to get some shoulder reel seat belts and the alt.  I saw a couple of late
> 70's GMs the other day that had the correct wiring plug set up.  I was
> wondering:
> 1)   if there is any external way of telling how many amps they are rated
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> know of one of hand that I should keep my eyes open for?
> Many thanks

If you ask for a Delco off  some thing with airconditioning you should end up
with at least an 80amp version. This will be good for almost anything.
I run a 110amp version and don't have a scrap of trouble.
John and Muddy

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:51:25 -1000
Subject: Re: Alt. Question

>If you ask for a Delco off  some thing with airconditioning you should end

up
>with at least an 80amp version. This will be good for almost anything.
>I run a 110amp version and don't have a scrap of trouble.
>John and Muddy

Mahalo John.
This is one of those "find it yer self" places.  I know that the camaro I
saw there yesterday had AC (I didn't have any tools :-(   )
I was worried that a 110 might be too much, but if it's working for you I
will stop my worring.
Later
Pete

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 21:50:57 -0700
Subject: Aardvark is Famous!!

Hi All

First off, glad to see that the digest is back-was having withdrawel
syptoms!!

In the December issue of "Land Rover World" there is an article on the
Steamboat Springs Rally. "Aardvark' is featured in the lead photo
getting pulled out of a mud bog by Brian Holmes (out of frame to left).
Picture was taken RIGHT before the front dumb iron gave way, and bumper
came off!!

I've posted a scan of the Pic on my website under the "I'm Famous"
Section.

Art
1960 SII "Aardvark"
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/6339/

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 19:13:40
Subject: Re: trouble shooting oil and hi beam warning light

	Finally got the new engine in and running on my 88.  In my enthusiasm 
for
working on the rover also finally made the move to give the '70 the retro
look by installing a breakfast with headlights and the appropriate fenders.
 Everything finally falling into place except have no oil warning light or
the high beam indicator.  What should I be seeing at the oil sender, if its
working, and/or how can I test to see that it is working.  Why did the high
beam indicator stop working at the same time??  Wiring seems to be exactly
the same as the newer style front end with the exception of rerouting the
head light wires.  Color codes on the wires are all the same.  Installed an
old style capillary temp/pressure gauge years ago so don't absolutely need
the oil warning light but it would be a nice thing to have.  The high beam
warning light would be a big plus as I'm running not for the street halogen
lights and don't want to be blinding everyone when I forget to use the
appropriate low beams.
	Mahalo in advance for any input.  I can usually figure out anything
mechanical but electricity is a black art to me.

Aloha Peter

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 03:04:09 EST
Subject: Re: manuals

In a message dated 98-12-04 20:33:58 EST, you write:

<< The US arm of Haynes doesn't seem to distribute the LR manuals for some
 reason, but others import them. BTW, Haynes has a website at
 www.haynes.com.
 >>

I agree with this one:

Had to get my LR manuals from BP...but I got my MGB, and SD-1 manuals from Pep
Boys! (they still carry the MGB manual on the shelf!)

Charles

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 03:06:36 EST
Subject: Fwd: This is a test - No LR content

Thought I'd try forwarding this one - though it seems that the list has healed
thy self.

Charles

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From: Roydon Woodford <roydon@global4x4.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 11:06:35 +0000
Subject: Re: manuals

>Market vehicles including domestics. Most of the discount auto parts
>places around here carry their US line. However, the Series LR manual is
>not part of the US line, and is not distributed by Haynes in theUS. You
>have to order it from a LR specialist who imports it directly from the
>UK.

We can ship manuals from the UK. For example the Haynes Landrover series 3
Manual is £12.99 plus P&P.

Visit the site listed below for other parts....

Roydon

Roydon Woodford
SAles Director
Global 4x4 Ltd

email roydon@global4x4.co.uk
tel 0976 943089
fax +44 1223 514265

http://www.global4x4.co.uk
http://www.global4x4.com
http://www.landroverparts.co.uk
http://www.rangeroverparts.co.uk

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