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From: Peter Goundry <peterg@aircast.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:29:17 -0500
Subject: Blanchard's

Was at Blanchard's last week and examined a IIA he was preparing for a
customer in New Mexico. It was a long wheelbase wagon painted desert
sand with an accompanying trailer. It had a number of accessories
including a snorkel and ranger kit. If the person expecting this vehicle
is on the list then all I can say is 'you are a lucky sod', it looks
beautiful and I wish you well with it,

Peter Goundry
67 GS109 IIA, 73 Lightweight, 97 D90 #127 

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:14:45 -0500
Subject: Re: rebuilding early II(A) transmissions

David,

Mr. Churchill has the same box - it's a Series II transmission. Tret it
parts-wise as a Rev. A box and you'll be OK.

The NLA bits are available elsewhere - in the UK all of the bits I needed were
off-the-shelf-items, with no problem getting them. The only odd bit might be the
thrust washers for the intermediate gear in the transfer case - if they're not
badly worn (and being a brass/steel sandwich bathed in oil they probably won't
be) then don't worry about them and just shim to spec.

The other oddities (from memory) are the shaft, gear and bearings for the
intermediate gear in the transfer case and a few oddments in the transmission
itself. You should have no major problems - the bearings and the like can be
sourced from a good bearing house.

                         ajr

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From: Jon Haskell <kb9cml@att.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:54:16 -0500
Subject: Longevity Advice for LR's

Hi all.....after seeing my first Land Rover on B/W television shows from
Africa over 30 years ago, I finally got a D90 SW. Having restored a
Model A Ford some years ago, I got first hand knowledge of where
problems occur overtime. 

I would like to keep this truck until I die or start drooling and get
shoved in a retirement home. I thought you guys who have restored old
LR's could give me some advice on trying to perserve "Nigel". 

Many thanks and Happy New Year

Jon Haskell
Indianapolis, IN USA

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From: Jon Haskell <kb9cml@att.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:54:16 -0500
Subject: Longevity Advice for LR's

Hi all.....after seeing my first Land Rover on B/W television shows from
Africa over 30 years ago, I finally got a D90 SW. Having restored a
Model A Ford some years ago, I got first hand knowledge of where
problems occur overtime. 

I would like to keep this truck until I die or start drooling and get
shoved in a retirement home. I thought you guys who have restored old
LR's could give me some advice on trying to perserve "Nigel". 

Many thanks and Happy New Year

Jon Haskell
Indianapolis, IN USA

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:13:49 +0100
Subject: Re: Longevity Advice for LR's

Congratulations with your aqquisition! And about the lifetime ownership
- I echo your ambitions.

One comment (preceded with a BIG :-) - the name - "Nigel" ? A tad
dangerous I would hazard - there's another Nigel on this list, and every
time his owner writes in with a problem in Nigel, then the same problem
turns up on at least seven other list members within a week - this
phenomena is so reliable that it has been christened "Nigels disease".

With two Nigels on the listr the problem could reach expensive and
epidemic proportions!

Anyway "if ytou really must..." Welcome Jon and Nigel!

Adrian Redmond

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telephone			     (907) 230 0359
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Visit the "Native Experience" project website at
http://www.channel6.dk/native

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 98 11:01:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Longevity Advice for LR's 

>Hi all.....after seeing my first Land Rover on B/W television shows 
>from Africa over 30 years ago, I finally got a D90 SW.
>I thought you guys who have restored old LR's could give me some 
>advice on trying to perserve "Nigel". 
>Jon Haskell

err...as any longtime member of this list will tell you, the first thing you 
need to do is rename it. The name Nigel is already taken and the originsal 
Nigel is known to be the source of many a transmittable Land Rover ailment. 
Nigel's Disease, as it has come to be called, used to only be transmittable 
electronically, now however it has mutated and can travel through plain air, to 
the end that vehicles parked next to Nigel may very likely start to experience 
the same mechanical problems. I can only begin to imagine what the original 
Nigel would do to your poor D90 if he found out about this. He can be jealous 
you know. 
And point number two, if TerriAnn can copyright a name as mundane as "Green 
Rover", than Russell can certainly lay claim to exclusive use of "Nigel".

sorry 
daveb

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From: "Wise Owl Innovation Incorporated" <wiseowl@direct.ca>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:32:01 -0800
Subject: Re: rebuilding early II(A) transmissions

David we probably have all the parts you would need for the early box
including layshaft thrust washers. If you give me a call Ill give you a
brief rundown on ow to do it and what to look for. 1-888-880-2600 Ray

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> From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: rebuilding early II(A) transmissions
> Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 6:32 PM
> I have a Series II or IIA transmission that I am in the midst of
> disassembling. It has no suffix after the gearbox number.  It has the
> smaller level plug, and the goofy spring clip (breather?) thingee on top,
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
> between the pre-suffix boxes and the suffix A ones?  How difficult is it
> to source parts for one of these things?  The Rovers North catalog lists
a

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <rgdushin@blackcat.cat.syr.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:31:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Longevity Advice...

oh, man..

***
err...as any longtime member of this list will tell you, the first thing
you need to do is rename it. The name Nigel is already taken and the
originsal Nigel is known to be the source of many a transmittable Land
Rover ailment.
***

Hey Dave and Adrian, thanks for backing Nige up.  You're rigs are
not immune, however, but maybe he'll offer a brief reprieve...

As for the "other" Nigel..the D90 impos(t)er..does it:
leak all over?
have siezed rear wheel cylinder bleed screws?
have a clutch slave that's about to go?
have holes in the gas tank?
badly need all frame bushes for the springs (oops..nogots..CSPOS)
have a starter motor that's about to let go and bust a hole
in your bell housing?
sport a nice new dent on the front left wing?

If not, beware.

r"he bites"d/ni"and I'm rabid"ge

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From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:47:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: ray's new "experimental"

i am pretty excited.  just bought a 67 colorado siia 88 and
leave to tow it back 1000 miles to missouri on jan 8th.
this vehicle meets my requirements:
 -- metal dash / lights on breakfast
 -- straight body 
 -- west-coast vehicle (this is a one-owner vehicle)
 -- priced right 
it has been setting for 8 years, but ran when it was
parked.  no body damage except front wing.  did i say
priced right? 

i have only seen 2 photos and talked to the owner and a 
mechanic familiar with the vehicle and feel i can't go wrong.

being a colorado vehicle for all it's lifetime, i fully 
expect no frame or bulkhead rust -- and i also expect
most of the frame paint to be in place.

i know the faq is in place and various web sites exist, but
can someone tell me how i can do a keyword search to
query the archives.  when all the
postings go by and they don't apply that day, it is easy
to not read for comprehension...

i expect to to rebuild the radiator/brake/axles, change all 
the fluids, new belts/hoses, new 15" tires (thats 1000 archive
postings at least to wade thru) plus work on the engine.  

plan is to pour marvel mystery oil down the spark plug holes
for the drive back and hope for a non-frozen engine.
mileage is 75k.

should be an adventure -- and it is getting one more back 
onto the road.

Sincerely,

Ray Harder 
61 siia 88 -- lulu (aka, experimental).
87 rr clasic
66 siia 88 in restoration (since 90)
67 siia 88 (to be picked up)

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 98 09:02:23 -0800
Subject: Re: Longevity Advice for LR's

Well It looks like you have discovered that certain names are reserved 
for certain very well known cars on the mail list.  It's kinda like 
retiring a number on a sports team but different.  

Unfortunately you picked the most dangerous reserved list LR name to your 
car's continued health.  No, we are not a superstitious bunch...not us.

But you did not ask about names.

My suggestion is get to know your car.  Keep fluids topped off, replace 
fluids regularly per the manual or more often, keep your fasteners tight 
and replace parts as they wear out of tolerance and not after they break. 
 Your car should run forever & be reliable.  Oh them new cars are more 
prone to rust so be sure to keep the frame painted, wash mud off the 
upper side of the frame, esp. the top of the rear cross member 7 you 
should be fine.  A high pressure washer might be a good idea for cleaning 
the underside.

If you get bored & have some time & excess $$ you might consider getting 
your windscreen frame and body cappings galvanized like the series cars.  
It looks better (at least to us series owners) and these otherwise rust 
prone areas will be much better protected.

So...
- Keep fluids topped off
- replace fluids frequently
- Keep the frame clean & painted
- keep the fasteners tight
- replace parts with proper replacements as they wear
- Find a less hazardous name for your car if you want it to stay healthy.

Best of luck with your new beastie.  I three months I will have owned my 
LR for 21 years so they do last if you take care of them.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 98 09:09:08 -0800
Subject: Re: ray's new "experimental"

>i am pretty excited.  just bought a 67 colorado siia 88 and
>leave to tow it back 1000 miles to missouri on jan 8th.
<snip>
;>it has been setting for 8 years, 

Ray may I suggest that you check diff & ball joint fluids first & tow the 
car with the transfer case in neutral?

I would be tempted to remove the rear axles & have front hubs 
freewheeling for that long a trip on a car that has been sitting for so 
long.

It may be safer to revive long unused & unlubercated parts gradually.

Best of luck with your new toy 

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: kevin.murphy@ps.ge.com
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:48:21 -0500
Subject: RE: Longevity Advice...

Maybe he should name the D90 Legin and see if it can offset some of the
transmittable Land Rover ailments found in Nigel?

***
> oh, man..
> ***
> err...as any longtime member of this list will tell you, the first thing
> you need to do is rename it. The name Nigel is already taken and the
> originsal Nigel is known to be the source of many a transmittable Land
> Rover ailment.
> ***
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 26 lines)]
> If not, beware.
> r"he bites"d/ni"and I'm rabid"ge

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:56:43 -0800
Subject: RE: Front horns too close

Hi Charles,

I had almost exactly the same problem with my front horns - they were about
1/2 inch too close.  The drivers side had been bent in at sometime in the
past.  

Like you, I tried the high lift jack to no avail.  I waited until I was
ready to have some other frame work done (rear cross member) and had the
shop do the front too.  He bent it back out with a frame puller but ended up
collapsing the outside panel of the horn so it had to be patched.  All in
all, a couple of hours work.  The shop owner seemed to be concerned that the
offset horn pull in the front spring mount and affect the front end
alignment, but I don't think that that's really a concern on a Land Rover
;-)

You can see the repairs on my (slightly out of date) page at:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/4954/ in the gallery section.

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88
Victoria, BC  Canada

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From: "David Hope" <davidjhope@email.msn.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:06:24 -0600
Subject: Ray's Experimental

Ray, are you planning on flat towing this vehicle back from CO to MO?  You
would be safer using a trailer.  In my first brief experience flat towing my
88 behind a Defender, I knew that the steering on the 88 was 'wobbly'.  When
flat towed it just veered from side to side and when I turned a corner it
was more frightening than descending a Colorado pass without brakes.

If this vehicle has been sitting for several years there's no telling how
the stering would behave, especially if the relay is frozen.  I would
definitely put it on a trailer or dolly.

David Hope
64llA    - my wife calls it Camilla, I call it Tornado on account of it's
speed and destructive tendencies.  Are either of these names taken?

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From: Lorri Paustian <lorri@sound.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:23:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: ray's new "experimental"

Congratulations Ray!  It'll be fun to see you at the rallies with your new
Experimental, although I enjoyed your old one, especially the blinkers!
Have a safe and enjoyable trip home.  

At 10:47 AM 12/29/98 -0600, you wrote:
>i am pretty excited.  just bought a 67 colorado siia 88 and
>leave to tow it back 1000 miles to missouri on jan 8th.
>Ray Harder 

Lorri Paustian, Flatland Rover Society
Lenexa, Kansas
'95 Coniston Green D90 SW
'95 Arles Blue D90 SW
'93 D110

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:22:09 -0000
Subject: Re: Longevity Advice...

>>As for the "other" Nigel..the D90 impos(t)er..does it:
leak all over?
have seized rear wheel cylinder bleed screws?
have a clutch slave that's about to go?
have holes in the gas tank?
badly need all frame bushes for the springs (oops..nogots..CSPOS)
have a starter motor that's about to let go and bust a hole
in your bell housing?
sport a nice new dent on the front left wing?<<

Russell.
if it didn't it does now - and how about the rest of us? I thought you were
only allowed to tell us one problem at a time ?
I'm quaking in my boots now - and so is PKV.......

>.

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Emil King" <ewader@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:24:08 PST
Subject: searching for....

Brian Willoughby, where are ya?  I seem to have lost a lot of mail and 
can't find your address to respond to your last message.  Please get 
back with me.

Emil

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From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:44:55 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Ray's Experimental

On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, David Hope wrote:
< Subject: Ray's Experimental
< Ray, are you planning on flat towing this vehicle back from CO to MO?  You
> would be safer using a trailer.  In my first brief experience flat towing my
< 88 behind a Defender, I knew that the steering on the 88 was 'wobbly'.  When
> flat towed it just veered from side to side and when I turned a corner it
< was more frightening than descending a Colorado pass without brakes.
> If this vehicle has been sitting for several years there's no telling how
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
> definitely put it on a trailer or dolly.
> David Hope
david, good advice.  i towed one in from colorado 5 years ago
and no problem.  i will check things out slowly and if necessary,
rent a dolly.  the last time, the big problem was getting sort
of glazed over crossing the long kansas expanse and glancing in the
mirror and seeing that vehicle "...right on your tail..." it was
un-nerving until you realized (once again) that you were towing it...

Sincerely,

Ray Harder 

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From: "Chris Weinbeck, Office Logic, Inc." <cmw@tiac.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:40:02 -0500
Subject: Passenger noises...

DaveB wrote

> because we didn't even read the message...I have no interest in making my LR 
>electric...especially after finding out that it makes "no sound" I think i 
>would need the passenger to make engine noises for me...

A good girlfriend will do that for you... ;-)

Chris

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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 02:55:55 -0700
Subject: rolling chassis

Is there anyone on the list that has any experience with Dick Graham Inc.
in the U.K.??  I have been considering buying a rolling chassis from them
for some time and was just wondering if anyone has had any dealings with
them...good?  Bad??
Thanks for any info.

Thought for the week....  If you are going to go out and drink "adult
beverages" and lacked the foresight to have a designated driver....remember
that it might seem a bit uncomfortable to crawl ito the back of the rover
and take a nap but it's a whole buch more comfortable than spending the
night in Jail with some guy named bubba.

cheers

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
				Dennis Miller

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:17:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Tranny pops out of gear.

<< When my Rover (still searching for a name) >>
 
 Since your name is Hope, I would suggest Faith or Charity.
 Faith, Hope & Charity were the names of the three old biplanes 
(Gloster Gladiators) that defended Malta during WW2.

 Paul

 Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:52

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT  (1984)
 

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From: "Wise Owl Innovation Incorporated" <wiseowl@direct.ca>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:03:40 -0800
Subject: Re: Ray's Experimental

Have to disagree with you about towing an 88 David. We tow  88s behind a 92
Range Rover all the time (Recently my wife's from Vancouver B.C. to
Portland OR for the ABFM.) We have an A frame that clamps on the front
bumper. Next week we are taking the Range Rover up to Alberta to tow back a
diesel 90 Defender we picked up as British Army Surplus. This causes some
misgivings crossing the rockies in Mid Winter...............
A good 88 will track beautifully behind the Range Rover and you only feel
it on long grades.

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> From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Re: Ray's Experimental
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 12:44 PM
> On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, David Hope wrote:
> < Subject: Ray's Experimental
> < Ray, are you planning on flat towing this vehicle back from CO to MO? 

You

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From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:45:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Electric Rover, for gods sake why mess with it???

From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:19:52 -0800
Subject: Re: Electric Rover, for gods sake why mess with it???

>Either you mean a small pick-up or a full-size.  Small pick-ups have the
same or less space for batteries as a Rover.  Full-size pick-ups are as
little or less aerodynamic.

I don't have anything against converting a Land Rover of any vintage to
electric power if it can be done.  Electric motors offer a lot of
advantages over internal combustion engines, something the railroads
discovered decades ago.  Unless your power source is a generator (as in a
diesel-electric railroad locomotive) you get full power and torque almost
instantly with an electric motor, and control of the motor is far more
accurate and easier than with an internal combustion motor.  Plus when
you're not moving, as at a traffic light for instance, you are consuming no
power unless your lights, radio, etc. are on.

But if the previous poster is saying that a full-size pickup is less
aerodynamic than a Land Rover, I don't agree with that.  I don't think
there is anything less aerodynamic than a Series Land Rover except possibly
a 4X8 sheet of plywood held at right angles to the wind.

I tend to agree with other posters that a Series Land Rover is probably not
the most ideal vehicle for conversion to electric power simply because of
the inherent resistance built into its old-fashioned and heavily-built
transfer case, differentials, axles, and so on.   The engine that came with
the thing has a hard enough time overcoming all that resistance.  Something
with a less component-heavy drive train would make a better electric 4wd
conversion, but I don't know what that something would be.  Maybe a
Freelander if one wants to stick with Land Rover products, but they don't
appear to have the necessary space for the batteries.  Or replace the
Series drive train with something more suited for electric power.  Or
replace the drive train altogether and drive each wheel independently with
its own motor (again, this is what the railroad folks do, although they
drive each axle, not each wheel).

I do think electric power is the way to go in the future as far as driving
the wheels is concerned.  How to generate the power is another question,
but storage battery technology keeps getting better, so I suppose one day
we'll get there.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:05:42 EST
Subject: Truck cab mounting questions

Hi all, 

Just a couple of questions:

1. Are there any other special mounting brackets besides the rear plate and
the support arm for the middle of the plate?

2. Are there any other spacers other than the bottom sealing strip?

I can't find a good picture of the particulars although the new LRO is pretty
good.

Thanks

Nate

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:18:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Truck cab mounting questions

In a word ...................no........that`s it.

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:22:38 EST
Subject: Re: Truck cab mounting questions

In a message dated 12/29/98 9:13:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dhlowe@idirect.com writes:

<< In a word ...................no........that`s it.
  >>

Great!  It goes on tomorrow.  Ugly but much warmer than the canvas!
Thanks
Nate

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:50:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Xfer case intermediate shaft removal

I am in the process of taking apart a transmission that I plan on
rebuilding.  I have just spent a couple of hours trying to figure out how
to remove the transfer case intermediate shaft.  I haven't got special
part number 605682, which seems intended just for this purpose.  I do have
a couple of gear and bearing pullers, but none of them is able to get a
grip on the shaft retaining plate.  Before I go out tomorrow and buy
another puller to grind the legs into the shape they need to be, how have
the rest of you gotten this shaft out.  I somehow doubt that many have the
purpose made puller.

David/Mr. "I want a new gearbox!" Sinclair

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:15:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Xfer case intermediate shaft removal

David.   First of all see if you can rotate it to make sure its not "frozen" I
use a claw hammer .Tuck the claws under the slot and work it out. Do not apply
too much brute force as it is possible to break the top piece off. Work it
around.

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:23:29
Subject: RE: front hornes

>Check with a local tool rental place and see if they have a long travel 20t
>bottle jack.  That might work.  Or drill out the holes, 1/8th each to make
>up the difference.
>Aloha

I am sorry, I seem to have missed the start of  this thread. I have at
least one question. Are the hornes attached at the correct place on the
frame? Are they straight and equi-distant from front to back? Is the bumper
after-market or original equipment? If the hornes are straight, I would
check that the bumper is correct. I would also make any changes to the
bumper, not the frame.

Jim Wolf

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:27:46 EST
Subject: Re: Xfer case intermediate shaft removal

In a message dated 98-12-29 22:16:04 EST, you write:

<< First of all see if you can rotate it to make sure its not "frozen" I
 use a claw hammer .Tuck the claws under the slot and work it out. Do not
apply
 too much brute force as it is possible to break the top piece off. Work it
 around.
 >>

Rotating it is a must, to get the retaining plate off. So, if you can rotate
it, then the only real problem will be getting a grip on it because of all the
oil! (no pun intendid)

Charles

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:30:25 EST
Subject: Re: Longevity Advice for LR's

In a message dated 98-12-29 12:06:19 EST, you write:

<< Well It looks like you have discovered that certain names are reserved 
 for certain very well known cars on the mail list.   >>

I've got dibs on Sid - if nobody else has it (as in Sid Vicious, that
is)...even have a "PUNKS NOT DEAD" sticker on the rear window.

Now, if only I had a frame...(if only I had frame money...)

Charles

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:38:25 EST
Subject: Re: Ray's Experimental

In a message dated 98-12-29 15:09:20 EST, you write:

<< Ray, are you planning on flat towing this vehicle back from CO to MO?  You
 would be safer using a trailer.  In my first brief experience flat towing my
 88 behind a Defender, I knew that the steering on the 88 was 'wobbly'.  When
 flat towed it just veered from side to side and when I turned a corner it
 was more frightening than descending a Colorado pass without brakes.
 >>

Actually - physically speaking, flat towing would be better than using a
trailer: this way, the wheels on what's being towed, have a decent wheelbase
between them, thus, it wouldn't be quite as prone to jacknifing - if that were
to happen - if it became a bit squirrly. Also, you won't have the rear of the
towing vehicle dragging close to the ground, either (only time I've ever
bottomed-out the rear of my Rangie, was towing my 88" on a trailer), and so
this would be better in that aspect of handling as well.

Just remember to be careful, should you try to back up!

Charles

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From: Thorsten Klein <kleit001@mail.Uni-Mainz.de>
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:15:01 +0100
Subject: Re: New list member

Mathias Babinsky schrieb:
> Hello all,
> I just got my first Land Rover, an Ex-British-Army SIII 109. It's just
> what I dreamt of since I was a kid, so I finally made it my own
> Christmas present !

Congratulations, we now own (since23 of dec) our second Landrover, a
sparkling new green Defender 110 TDI 

> Anyone else from Germany on this list ?

Yes, if You want to find out who is on the list, you can ask majordomo.
Besides that, I am in Mainz, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany.

Bye, Thorsten
Mainz, Germany
LR Lightweight SIII (almost sold)
LR Defender 110 TDI (1370 km on the clock)

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