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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:52:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Timing chain tensioner behavior...

John wrote:

> I am piddling around with my 1960 109 and its 2.25l petrol engine.
> The major problem is crap compression in cylinders 2, 3, 4 - like 30psi.
> #1 is about 120 psi
> Valve clearances and ignition timing seem to be okay - I just checked.
> I have the timing cover off right now and the chain and gears look okay.

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> Opinions?
> John

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Your engine is completely worn out.
The "flicking" of the chain indicates that the chain and the sprockets are
worn.
If you have almost non existant compression there are likely to be broken rings
which in turn shows a strong indication of toasted pistons and damaged bores.
If you are really lucky the compression problem is a bad head gasket but don't
hols your breath.
I know you didn't want to hear this but.......
John and Muddy

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:00:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Stick 'em Up

David Cockey wrote:

> The number of manual transmission vehicles continues to decline in the
> US, and overall I think it is less than 10%. Japan went from something
> like 90% manuals to 10% manuals in less than ten years. In Europe
> automatics are a small percentage, but continue to grow, particularly in
> more expensive vehicles.
> Manual transmissions have been dropped from many car and truck models
> because annual production was down to a few thousand per year. Added
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> Regards,
> David Cockey

David  If you consider the machining of the sycros to be tricky take a look
at the innards of an automatic some time.
The real reason that the auto makers prefer to sell automatics is that the
public will
pay more for them. With these companies the reason for every thing is
$$$$$$$$.
This not to condemn them it is just a fact life.

John and Muddy

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:05:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Timing chain tensioner behavior...

Re: worn-out engine:

Hmmmmm....dunno about that.

Suspicious that all three of the failing cylinders have the same compression.
Also, that jumping is something I've seen before on chains that weren't
completely shot, depending on the way the lifters moved (or didn't).

My personal suspicion here is that something is just not kosher in the camshaft
- broken, maybe - or more to the point perhaps a massively blown-out head
gasket.

I don't remember from the original mail from John if he was getting proper valve
action on the back three - but I would definitely be tempted to do some timing
tests on when and how valves are opening.

Eiter way, John, it's time to get inside the engine in a big way. i'd pull the
head and the lifters and go for a look at the camshaft, myself.

                    ajr

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From: TBache9248@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:21:07 EST
Subject: M/cyl

Hi all,
I am in need of a used S11a (3 bolt flange-no power brakes) master cyl.  One
that the housing is too worn to be rebuildable or you don't wish to rebuild.
I need a couple of pieces from inside.  Hit me off line if you have one to
spare.  I scavanged one I had to fix a friend's and now wish to reassemble.

Thanks,

Tom Bache
Avondale, PA

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:29:44 +0200
Subject: Re: Stick 'em Up

John wrote;

> David  If you consider the machining of the sycros to be tricky 
take a look
> at the innards of an automatic some time.
<snip>
> This not to condemn them it is just a fact life.

Whilst we're mentioning auto<>manual things...

Don't know about elsewhere but it seems that every time anyone 
opens an LT95/85/77 manual 'box for an overhaul it needs new bits 
costing between R8,000-12,000 (approx. $1,300-$2,000 U.S.)...  
something like new synchros, bearings and a mainshaft.  And then 
there is clutch replacement between overhauls, which is labour 
plus about R1,000.  

A complete overhaul of a 4 speed ZF auto seems to cost in the 
region of R3,500.  I guess it depends how you drive but they seem 
to last a lot more than half as long as a manual 'box between 
overhauls...

You can also count in some extra wear (clonk clonk) on the diffs, 
props and halfshaft splines when driving a manual; even if you're 
careful.

Just thought I would mention it.

All the best,

Andy
andyg@sherco.co.za, '79RR (with R10K spent on LT95...).

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From: kevin.murphy@ps.ge.com
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:44:14 -0500
Subject: RE: M/cyl

Tom,

Tried emailing you offline but it bombed out... shoot me an email to

kevin.murphy@ps.ge.com and we can discuss.

Kevin

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From: "David R. Bobeck"<dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 98 08:57:36 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: USA Remolds & 1 tire 4sale 

>I am glad you are happy with your 10 ply tires, personally I found 6 ply to be 
>a bit on the heavy and stiff side for an 88.
>John and Muddy

yeah, I had some 8 ply (I thikn, or was it 6) "Cargo Trac" biass ply tires on 
ym 88. Felt like they were made out of cement. I thinkk John T's tires must be 
radials. Whole different ball game when it comes to # of plys vs. ride 
stiffness. 
right?

later
dave

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From: Peter Goundry <peterg@aircast.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:13:31 -0500
Subject: Guinness & Automatics

<< Paul Oxley wrote: Oh, come now Ron, what do Ozzies know about red
wine? :-) >>

These last few years have seen some excellent wines come out of Oz. As
far as reds go, I prefer them over other more traditional sources. They
also have the added advantage that they can be had for less than $10.00
a bottle. 

As for beer, I still prefer a pint of best bitter, such as West Riding
Bitter, to be had at the Wheatsheaf, Kirkella (sorry Frank). This pub
also has the added advantage of being close to Blanchard's (Land Rover
content).
 
Also, the automatic D90 was the only option available and quite frankly
is far better suited to traffic conditions here in NJ.  You can get
lopsided having to operate the clutch to often in urban traffic.

Peter Goundry
67 GS109 IIA, 73 Lightweight, 97D90 #127

 

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:14:26 EST
Subject: Re: US Series hazard switch wiring?

Jeff,

Are you sure you're looking at the hazard switch versus the headlight switch?
On the later series imported into the States, there was a courtesy lamp
housing installed on the left top of the dash over the head lamp switch.  To
allow you to operate the switch, an extended curved handle was added to the
switch.  As to the hazard, what I have seen is the standard LBC push/pull
switch.  There is a jumper wire set that plugs into the standard truck wiring
harness in between the harness and the steering column multiswitch (S3).  The
jumper set then runs over to the hazard switch.  Brown wire from the jumper
set then goes to the fuse block and a black wire to ground.  The jumper set is
color coded to the wiring harness and the plug block is keyed.  Should be no
problem to install.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 9:18:59 -0500
Subject: Re: raised air intakes

No, you can't fit a raised air intake without major modifications. You 
have to cut a hole in the wing or the bonnet; something I can't bring 
myself to do.
You can fabricate one very easily from flexible rubber hose, pvc pipe and 
a cheapie air filter.
How deep do you want to go?
A raised air intake does not necessarily allow you to drive in deep 
water, especially if you are behind the wheel of a gasoline powered 
truck. 
What needs protection the most, besides the air intake, is the ignition 
components. 
Say you're in water so deep that the distributor gets wet. Party's over. 
You need to address this problem too. There are a number of ways that 
people have waterproofed their ignition components, varying from 
slathering them with silicone sealant to fabricating rubber boots to 
cover them. The fan too will continue to spin under water, which you may 
wish to disengage before deep wading.
Also consider the other systems of the truck. Headlamps, for one, will 
sometimes burst if they are hot. Think about all your interior 
components. What will happen to them if they go under water? Will all 
your seat cushions go floating away? What about the heater box, the 
gauges, electronic items and all that junk you carry around in the back? 
Do you want all these full of smelly river mud?
A raised air intake certainly looks cool, but you should not think for a 
minute that it is the only prep you'll need for deep water cruising.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'69 Buick LeSabre Ragtop
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:34:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: US Series hazard switch wiring?

On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 Lodelane@aol.com wrote:

:
:Are you sure you're looking at the hazard switch versus the headlight switch?

I am pretty sure he is looking at the hazard switch.  I have one just like
it in Mr. Sinclair.  I'd offer how it is wired up, but it has six green
wires coming out of it, which immediately disappear into an electrical
tape wrapped bunch.  It works, so I have no desire to touch the thing.  

David /mr sinclair

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 98 06:50:30 -0800
Subject: Re: raised air intakes

>A raised air intake certainly looks cool, but you should not think for a 
>minute that it is the only prep you'll need for deep water cruising.
;
I get constant questions about my snorkle from passers by.  I end up 
explaining that I can only wade as deep as my distributer and that the 
purpose of my snorkle is to draw cleaner air down to the engine when on 
dusty trails.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "Mr A Brookfield" <Alan.brookfield@btinternet.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:05:00 -0000
Subject: Re: US Series hazard switch wiring?

[spamkill: [Ii][Nn][fF][Oo]@ input: %s]	 Direct: Lr.info@ey-eg.demon.co.uk

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:18:24 -0500
Subject: Curious sighting

Picked up a used book at a shop the other day, no idea why.  It was
"Senatorial Priviledge", a (supposedly) true account of Ted Kennedy's
affairs at Chappaquidick back in '69.  Narrow band of photos in the
center...and there was Ted's car being dragged out of the pond the day
after by a Land Rover!  Left hand drive, 5 door 109.  *That* compelled me
to read the appropriate text, but it was only referred to as the "tow
truck"....

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  |                                                   |
  |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        | 
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:18:41 -0500
Subject: Anybody else have trouble...

>NADdMD@aol.com wrote:

>with the hole in the tunnel cover for the OD lever?  

>Seems like there should be an easier template or some such thing for
>putting the hole in there.

As I recall (installed the OD back in '78 or so) the trick was to first
mount the shifter bracket and then drill a small hole in the tunnel cover.
Insert a pencil through the hole and mark the bracket.  Then measure the
distance/direction between the pencil mark and the linkage hole on the
bracket.  Trransfer that measurement to the tunnel cover and drill another
hole, this one being the pilot for the 2" hole saw.  This way compensates
for the notoriously large panel differences that Rover is known for....Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  |                                                   |
  |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        | 
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: CAPTPAYNE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:27:24 EST
Subject: Re: Stick 'em Up

The rumor about new recruits unable to drive a stick shift is not an urban
legand.  Fire apparatus is now automatic because the fire departments were
having the same problem.  A large number of rookies could not operate a manual
tranny.  Some were known to bring the apparatus to full stop just to
downshift.  And when you said " doubleclutch", they would just look at you and
say "what?".

Don94D90 #1331

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:24:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: land rovers

>in alaska all we see is them broke down
Do you even know what a Land Rover looks like?
I imagine you're confused...

>can't take the cold
Go away...

>any suggestions except get a real 4x4
...or we'll burn ya alive in virtual 90wt!

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:31:35 EST
Subject: Re: raised air intakes

Bill writes:

> A raised air intake does not necessarily allow you to drive in deep 
>  water, especially if you are behind the wheel of a gasoline powered 
>  truck. 
>  What needs protection the most, besides the air intake, is the ignition 
>  components. 

 [ truncated for brevity's sake (was 80 billion lines)]

>  Also consider the other systems of the truck. Headlamps, for one, will 
>  sometimes burst if they are hot. Think about all your interior 
>  components. What will happen to them if they go under water? Will all 
>  your seat cushions go floating away? What about the heater box, the 
>  gauges, electronic items and all that junk you carry around in the back? 
>  Do you want all these full of smelly river mud?
>  A raised air intake certainly looks cool, but you should not think for a 
>  minute that it is the only prep you'll need for deep water cruising.

Maybe a boat is better for water cruising...or even an inflatable raft.

Nate (BTW I think Bill's completely correct)

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:45:03 -0600
Subject: RE: ORIGINAL DEALER BOOKS

I am interested.  

cwolfe

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From: Leger Marc-Andre <mleger@wefa.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:13:01 -0500
Subject: RE: raised air intakes

My Snorkel is for increased air quality in dusty areas (centrifugal air
intake) and reduction of the chance of accidental water in the air intake
while crossing water or splashing through mud puddles. I have had my D90's
spark plugs and distributor cap reinstalled with extra dielectric silicone
gel. In the case of the D90 there are also issues of air breathers for
Diffs, battery compartment and so on...

My homebuilt raised air intake cost around 100$US. 

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 02:11:36 -0800
Subject: Re: raised air intakes

Have to agree with Nate and Bill - TeriAnn also

Most snorkels that I have seen are not functional for water (dust only) and
the limiting factor tends to be other systems. - Want to go in deep
water.......get a yacht

'been 15,000 nautical miles that no Land Rover could go - try that with your
home....'

Cheers
David
Full-time father of Alexander - 4 years old, this winter solstice
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home, an Ingrid 38, ketch rigged
wahooadv@earthlink.net

end of message

>Bill writes:
>> A raised air intake does not necessarily allow you to drive in deep
>>  water, especially if you are behind the wheel of a gasoline powered
>>  truck.
>>  What needs protection the most, besides the air intake, is the ignition
>>  components.
> [ truncated for brevity's sake (was 80 billion lines)]
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 20 lines)]
>Maybe a boat is better for water cruising...or even an inflatable raft.
>Nate (BTW I think Bill's completely correct)

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:20:08 +0100
Subject: Alaska too cold for land rovers?

I can understand why our transatlantic cousins of the last frontier say
that Alaska is too cold for Land Rovers...

With temperatures of minus 10 - minus 50 - plus wind chill being
typical, then a big ugly gas guzzling bronco/cherokee/jeep/GMC with it's
"easy starting" petrol engine might be more attractive. These cars have
air conditioning, wipers which work, heaters which heat, windows which
you can see out of, and space between the wheel and the seat back for a
large, well fed driver wearing the obligatory layers of polar clothing.
American cars have seats in the back, automatic gearboxes, electric
windows, flag-raining electric aerials, stereos, and a host of
underbonnet luxuries which help heat the motor and batteries when
parked.

I've visited Alaska in two winters, and I have seen similar conditions
in Northern Norway, Spitzbergen, Greenland and Iceland, and even here in
Denmark in a bad year.

Unless I had the wonderful indoor worksop facilities, I doubt if my
enthusiasm for Landies would extend to working in the street in 30
degrees of frost to chase yet another repetitive Lucas problem - I'd
probably go the American route too.

Spare parts are also a problem - but US parts stores (aren't they GREAT
have a lot of US parts which can be used at a pinch)

But haviung said that - and speaking as an Alaskan Bronco owner who has
driven the mountain haul roads north of Anchorage - I would hazard a
guess that, if I had a good workshop, then I would not be worried about
driving a SIII Land Rover anywhere in Alaska - in fact the rover is
perfect for the conditions, and its handling much better for the
mountain roads in bad weather. less comfortable, cold, noisy, fogged up
- but better handling and driving, better control, and more fun to
drive.

I only wish i could afford to ship my 88" over there for my next trip in
the Spring - but alas - the Bronco will have to do.

Adrian Redmond

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From: Joseph Broach <jbroach@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:51:56 -0700
Subject: Re: Alaska too cold for land rovers?

Who needs a battery warmer in a Land Rover? I've successfully used a hand
crank in 0 degree weather with a battery that would only click the solenoid
shut. Try that with yer ______ (insert make here). Only takes about 5 turns
if the carb's set up right. I've found that our Rovers (with Zeniths) cold
start as well or better than a modern, fuel injected car. With grille muff
and radiator, I can get the interior toasty loads quicker than I could with
my S**b. I do think synthetic gear oil would be necessary in sub-0 weather
if you plan to get the gearbox moving :-)

-joseph and sidney
missoula, mt (supposed to be 5 below this weekend, but I'm headed to Tennessee)

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:08:59 -0000
Subject: Re: land rovers

Desert fox, so is the GPS still running over there with you guys in the US?

Not happy to be a Brit today. It's embarassing. The UN was put there for a
reason.

Neil

1978 SIII 109"

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:42:08 -0700
Subject: Re: land rovers

At 08:08 PM 17/12/98 -0000, Neil Brownlee, wrote
 The UN was put there for a
>reason.

Part of it is still there doing its job.  A good friend of mine is the UN's
Humanitarian spokesman in Baghdad.  I was talking to him this morning.  He
was a kilometer away when one or more cruise missiles took out the
Republican Guard barracks.  

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Rick Grant Associates.  Calgary, Canada
Media and Public Affairs

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From: Jarvis64@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:39:30 EST
Subject: Cold trannyWAS: Alaska too cold?

Howdy,
When I was in Up-Up State New York where temps often below 0 on winter
mornings (and we still ran PT--come back w/ eyelashes frozen together w/
breath vapor), to solve the cold tranny problem w/o using synthetic (which,
honestly, never occurred to me), I just put the t-case in neutral with the
main gearbox in 2nd or 3rd gear whilst I warmed up the engine for 10 min. or
so w/ the hand throttle engaged while I was cleaning off snow or inside
drinking coffee, as this allowed the gear oil inside the gear box to get warm
and moving so that that first synchro-less shift into second wasn't
impossible.

Bill "king of run-on sentences" Rice
64 SIIA 109SW

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:47:10 EST
Subject: Re: Timing chain tensioner behavior...

John,

Blown head gasket - I think.

Just replaced the ones in my Rangie (still a few more hours' worth of work to
do - no wonder Four Oaks charges $2300 to do them!)...all at the cost of
killing my 109 - hit somebody yesterday & buckled the rusty frame!

Charles

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:57:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Cu Anti Seize

Hi All - I just got some Cu anti seize - Nice and... coppery looking...
I forgot if you were all talking about the difficulty in locating some in
the US?

Cheers - Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:03:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: CIrvin1258's   "Luck"

>...all at the cost of killing my 109 - hit somebody yesterday & buckled
>the rusty frame!

Charles - Man - o - Man, this is just not your lucky week!!
Is the frame going to have to be replaced!?

Hope your luck improves!
Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:25:40 -0000
Subject: am I here???

well, you tell me, are you reading this on the digest or the REAL list??
Best Cheers

Frank
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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:31:01 -0000
Subject: Re: The lighter side of...

Paul,
I've been having mailing problems,
I asked you ages ago if I could use this joke in my column, with appropriate
credit, and missed/did not receive a reply.
Assuming you did not get my original can I ask you again???
Best Cheers

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>Hennie Rautenbach on the za-lro list just posted this joke:
>The Mitsubishi Motor Corp engineers have a way of testing to see if
>their Pajero's are air-tight.
>They would put a cat in the vehicle and close it up. They would
>check the car again in 24 hours. If the cat was dead, it
>passed the test.

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>cat in one of their Defenders and closed it up. When they checked
>it again in 24 hours, the cat was gone.

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:30:09 -0700
Subject: Re: land rovers

Mine says that I'm at home and seems about as accurate as usual.
Why,aren't yours working?

Jim Hall

Neil Brownlee wrote:
> Desert fox, so is the GPS still running over there with you guys in the US?

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:40:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Frank Back & The lighter side of...

>...I've had a bit of a fiddle (they can't touch you for it)
>NOW is this on the list proper, not the flaming digest....

Hi Frank - I've received your two new messages via the list...

>>The Mitsubishi Motor Corp engineers have a way of testing to see if
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>>cat in one of their Defenders and closed it up. When they checked
>>it again in 24 hours, the cat was gone.

Your jokes been chewed by lro-lite...  Can you post it so we can see the
whole thing?
Looks Funny...  But can't quite tell for sure...  Something about testing
for leaks?

Cheers - Glad to see you're back - Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:38:57 -0700
Subject: True story

A friend of mine told me a story yesterday. His wife went shopping, and
couldnt decide if she wanted to go to one store or not, so she parked at
the end of the lot. She came back out and noticed a cherokee parked
really close to her door. As she squeezed by to get in, she noticed the
man inside was spanking his monkey. She got the license plate number and
drove home and told her husband, as she was quite upset. He was thinking
about it, and later told her "Honey, I don't think he was doing it
because of you. You have to remember that he owns a Cherokee, and he was
parked next to a Land Rover". True story.

Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88" truck cab

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From: William Leacock <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:24:55 -0500
Subject: PTO

 Peter writes
I believe that all you would have to do is get a shorter prop shaft to the
winch as the OD still has the PTO capability.
 
 The overdrive was designed to work with a PTO, trouble is they never
designed a PTO to work with it !. The standard land Rover center power take
off is not compatable with an overdrive ( unless fitted to a bottom PTO case
! ) 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "Richard Clarke"<Richard.Clarke@nre.vic.gov.au>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:34:40 +1000
Subject: Re: voltage

in Australia the standard is 240 volts with a ten amp socket.
A special 15 amp socket is avaiable with a larger earth plug (you can put a
10 amp plug in a 15 amp socket but not the other way around

I don't know anything about hertzs :-)

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From: Garrick Brett Olsen <gbolsen@allina.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 98 16:50:13 PST
Subject: Preening

I will someday want to paint my 1961 SWB SW back to its original
algae-green with grey vinyl.  I bet the Trop Roof was white, but 
just
the skin or should the top be white, too? You know that part of the 
top
that has the windows and vents?  
Now it's all primer on the exterior: including the galv caps!
What's the safest way to get the primer off the galvinized caps?
What's a source for the paint and colors?
What's a good source for the vinyl?  I heard there is no source for 
the
textured "Elephant Hide" now quite disheveled.  I hope to re skin 
over
the winter while the truck is in storage and (gulp) not running 
right
now.   

-Rik
Name: Garrick Brett Olsen
E-mail: Garrick Brett Olsen <gbolsen@allina.com>
Date: 12/17/98
Time: 04:50:14 PM

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:41:50 -0000
Subject: Re: Guisness taste

Guinness and Mackeson both. They were given to patients in our hospitals up
to the 1970s and only stopped on a basis of cost.
During my "rest" this year my visitors with G or M got no hassles from the
nurses.
(Had to sneak the Jameson's in tho')
Best Cheers

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:13:03 -0000
Subject: Re: Frank Back & The lighter side of...

<<>Your jokes been chewed by lro-lite>>>

Peter, not my joke, I got it from this list - however, with credit to Paul
Oxley who sent it from za having got it from his friend Hennie Rautenbach,
here 'tis:

The Mitsubishi Motor Corp engineers have a way of testing to see if
their Pajero's are air-tight.

They would put a cat in the vehicle and close it up. They would
check the car again in 24 hours. If the cat was dead, it
passed the test.

Land Rover  heard about this and decided to try it. They put a
cat in one of their Defenders and closed it up. When they checked
it again in 24 hours, the cat was gone.

Best Cheers

Frank
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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:38:08 +0100
Subject: Re: Alaska too cold for land rovers?

joseph and sidney wrote:

Who needs a battery warmer in a Land Rover? I've successfully used a
hand crank in 0 degree weather with a battery that would only click the
solenoid shut.  (snip)

Adrian retorts:

Yes - but try hand cranking a diesel 88" :-)

Adrian Redmond

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:44:53 +0100
Subject: Re: True story

Call me slow - but I didn't get the joke about the Cherokee parked next
to the Land Rover, and the spanking monkey? Is there something I missed?

When I was in Alaska I told a guy about my Land Rover - steel frame,
lasts for years, aluminium body, all parts removeable, lasts for
years... Gee he said - that's kinda neat - have they ever thought of
selling them commercially? I nearly died laughing... 

Adrian Redmond

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:44:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Stick 'em Up

John Cranfield wrote:

> David  If you consider the machining of the sycros to be tricky take a
> look
> at the innards of an automatic some time.

I work in the auto industry, and folks that are definately in a
postition to know state that manuals usually cost more to make than
automatics today. There has been a lot of work done on reducing the cost
of manufacturing automatics. I'm not a manufacturing expert, but one
thing I've learned is not to estimate high volume production costs based
on low volume practices. For example, a Defender probably costs LR
considerably more to build than a Discovery, even though a Defender is
feasible for a good back alley shop to duplicate as a one-off without
much tooling, while a one-off Discovery would require a lots of
tooling.

> The real reason that the auto makers prefer to sell automatics is that
> the
> public will
> pay more for them. With these companies the reason for every thing is
> $$$$$$$$.

That is why the automakers charge hundreds of dollars more for
automatics than for manuals when the cost difference is negligable or
the other way. If manuals became much more popular the price difference
would reverse itself.

LR content: One of the reasons suspected for LR deciding to delay
introduction of the Freelander in the US is the current lack of an
automatic transmission as well as a V6. I wouldn't be surprised to see
only a V6/auto offered in the US. The Honda CR-V was originally
developed for Japan only, and with an automatic only. Interesting
difference between Japan and Europe.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:48:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Stick 'em Up

CAPTPAYNE@aol.com wrote:

> The rumor about new recruits unable to drive a stick shift is not an
> urban
> legand.  Fire apparatus is now automatic because the fire departments
> were
> having the same problem.  A large number of rookies could not operate
> a manual
> tranny.  Some were known to bring the apparatus to full stop just to
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> you and
> say "what?".

Another reason for automatics in commercial and military vehicles are
lower maintenance costs, even if the drivers can manage a manual
transmission. A lot of manual trans maintenance costs are due to the
clutch.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:57:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Thanks! & Cold-starting rovers

>> Do ya'll know about getting one vehicle started, and using its exaust to
>> warm the others up - by pumping it backwards through the cold vehicles
>> exaust and out its loosened plugs?
>Would this be buddy-breathing for L-R's or would it be considered
>artificial respiration?  (Paul O.)
Paul - I guess I'd call it artificial respiration - since she's out cold.
Cheers

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
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From: SJH <SHARDING@SCHULTE-LAW.COM>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:49:00 -0800
Subject: disclipined simians

adrian redmond wrote:  am I missing something?  the term "spanking his   
monkey has to do with an activity favored by teenaged males as a way of   
satisfying certain human urges aimed toward (when the equipment is   
properly used, procreating.  obligatory land rover content:  note the   
offender didn't own a land rover.  

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:09:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Timing chain tensioner behavior...

CIrvin1258@aol.com wrote:

> John,
> Blown head gasket - I think.
> Just replaced the ones in my Rangie (still a few more hours' worth of work to
> do - no wonder Four Oaks charges $2300 to do them!)...all at the cost of
> killing my 109 - hit somebody yesterday & buckled the rusty frame!
> Charles

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> killing my 109 - hit somebody yesterday & buckled the rusty frame!
> Charles

Boy! I don't want to mess with you if hit people with 109s surely a baseball or
cricket bat would be sufficient.
John and Muddy

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:50:28 EST
Subject: Re: CIrvin1258's   "Luck"

In a message dated 98-12-17 16:03:57 EST, you write:

<< Charles - Man - o - Man, this is just not your lucky week!!
 Is the frame going to have to be replaced!?
 >>

Peter,

It gets better: I looked in my BP catalogue and noticed that the exhaust
gaskets on the 3.5 and 3.9 engines are one in the same. So, I went out to the
garage and found a SD-1 gasket set that I had - same intake, exhaust, and
valve cover gaskets - COOL ( I thought) - less money to spend!

I just started the Rangie and guess what -- the exhaust gaskets are in fact
different! Now, I have to wait for the manifolds to cool down, take the "new"
gaskets off, and put the old ones back on...now, if I can find them all!

The frame on the 109 is one of those indecisive things: I planned on buying a
mig welder for myself this Christmas, BUT - the chassis is sooooo bad, that it
may not be worth the effort. I buckled the RH bumper outrigger, and broke the
welds on the front crossmember right where they meet the steering relay! The
fender was pushed in a but, as was the bumper (need a new one). No real
worries, since it wasn't in any condition for rock climbing to begin with.
Only thing that really pisses me off, is that one of my original Sparto lenses
was smooshed! (but, I have 1 spare)

The accident was caused by an idiot that decided to make a left turn from the
right lane - right before the intersection, and the light had just turned
green - all of us had to make a panic stop - I couldn't stop enough, and BAM!
- right into a Dodge Caravan.

The folks in the Dodge were very kind (I think I know the beautiful Japanese
female driver from a local Customs broker office!), and said that since I was
not directly at fault, they'd have their own insurance fix their van -- nobody
got the license plate of the idiot - and thus, he (or she) got away.

Of course, I do still have the remains of that NATO chassis - with the
sections I need...

With the current condition of the Rangie, I don't know if I'll make it to work
today. It's all together at least. Damn - Customs bought us lunch today, too!
(thanks to me)

Charles

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:15:10 +0100
Subject: Re: disclipined simians

Yeh I know - but what's the point? OK maybe I'm being really unfunny
here... Don't worry about it...

:-)

Adrian Redmond

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:19:51 -0400
Subject: Re: True story

Adrian Redmond wrote:

> Call me slow - but I didn't get the joke about the Cherokee parked next
> to the Land Rover, and the spanking monkey? Is there something I missed?
> When I was in Alaska I told a guy about my Land Rover - steel frame,
> lasts for years, aluminium body, all parts removeable, lasts for
> years... Gee he said - that's kinda neat - have they ever thought of
> selling them commercially? I nearly died laughing...
> Adrian

There is a rumour that Cherokee owners become sexually aroused by the sight
of Land Rovers. Monkey spanking is a solitary activity usually performed in
the privacy of one's own room.
John and Muddy

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From: kiotee@mcn.net (Roy Caldwell)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:40:22 -1000
Subject: Re: ORIGINAL DEALER BOOKS

I would be interested in what you have.  It is the season for giving and
there are some friends it would be cool to surprise.

Roy

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:05:44 -1000
Subject: Re: Stick 'em Up

>The number of manual transmission vehicles continues to decline in the
>US, and overall I think it is less than 10%.

Just curious as to where the figure came from.  I believe that only 65-70%
of the new vehcles sold in the US come with autos currently.

Pete

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:14:25
Subject: RE: cold

>With this thread going on heat treating axles for durability, has anyone
>gone the other way?  I mean *cold* treating?  Saw this advertisment a while
>back about some company that would cold soak crankshafts and all other
>manner of highly-stressed metals to reduce or eliminate metal fatigue.
>They were working with temperatures of -200F or lower, half way to absolute
>zero.  Made all kinds of extravagant claims about their parts being used by
>NASCAR teams and such, backed up with some metalurgical research on
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>altering the micro-crystaline structure of the metal...and, of course, lots
>of testemonials from satisfied users.  Cheers
Sandy, that is what I have been going on about with ONE CRYO! They take the
part DOWN to -300f and then back UP to +275f over a specified period of
time. You really should check out their web page.

Jim Wolf

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:26:29
Subject: RE:cold

>>With this thread going on heat treating axles for durability, has anyone
>>gone the other way?  I mean *cold* treating?
>One of the posts yesterday was for a company that did this.  Onecryo I
>think.  Uses cryogenics, web site listed some NASCAR vehicles as sastified
>customers.
>Pete

Pete, did you check on what they had to say about the MONSTER TRUCKS? I
mean about the axle shafts TWISTING and breaking before cryogenic
treatment? This costs these people money. The "cold" treatment almost
eliminated the problem.

Jim Wolf

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:56:56 -0500
Subject: Re: CIrvin1258's   "Luck"

Charles. I have to ask this. Are you sure the manifold gaskets are on the right
way round. It can get a bit confusing with those things as they can be installed
two ways

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:56:51 -1000
Subject: Re: RE:cold

>Pete, did you check on what they had to say about the MONSTER TRUCKS? I
>mean about the axle shafts TWISTING and breaking before cryogenic
>treatment? This costs these people money. The "cold" treatment almost
>eliminated the problem.
>Jim Wolf

Nope, didn't spend a whole lot of time at the site.  But what I saw was
pretty impressive.
I remember something about using cryo as a metal treatment from one of my
materials classes, but think I must have daydreamed during the important
stuff.
Pete

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:06:02 -1000
Subject: Re: PTO

> The overdrive was designed to work with a PTO, trouble is they never
>designed a PTO to work with it !. The standard land Rover center power take
>off is not compatable with an overdrive ( unless fitted to a bottom PTO
case

Hate to admit it, but I had no idea.  I have about a dozen books now on the
self dealing with Rovers, but other than mentioning the capability or a
handfull of pictures showing different PTO devices attached to the vehicle,
I have never seen anything about a "center PTO".  I thought you just
connected the PTO control to the back of the xfer case to power the device.
And that it would be possible to attach this same control to the back of the
OD and then change the drive shaft length.  This assumption is from looking
over the Koenig winch literature.
What is a good source for info on the PTO??
Pete

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From: "Jeff and Chris Jackson" <jcjcj88@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:35:04 -0800
Subject: re: curious sighting

Sandy wrote:  ...a (supposedly) true account of Ted Kennedy's
affairs at Chappaquidick back in '69.  Narrow band of photos in the
center...and there was Ted's car being dragged out of the pond the day
after by a Land Rover!  Left hand drive, 5 door 109.

It's a curious thing, but Martha's Vineyard (the island off the coast of
Massachusetts which Sandy wrote about) has a good population of old Series
trucks.  I saw two or three in just the day I was there last summer.  It
seems that the year-round residents find them to be just the thing for
island duty.  Lots of slow, twisty roads and a bit of snow and ice each
winter.   I wonder if there was a dealer on Cape Cod?

Jeff

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:40:09 -0700
Subject: Re: disclipined simians

Adrian Redmond wrote:
> Yeh I know - but what's the point? OK maybe I'm being really unfunny
> here... Don't worry about it...

The point is that he wasn't aroused by the woman, he got aroused by the
Land Rover. Probably sitting there fantasizing about doing some real
4-wheeling.

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:52:51 +0200
Subject: Re: raised air intakes

> components. What will happen to them if they go under water? Will all 
> your seat cushions go floating away? What about the heater box, the 

Invariably one is never prepared for that short stretch of deeper-than-
anticipated water...  Have a friend with a whose cellphone floated 
out of the dash of his 110 Tdi and wasn't the same afterwards.  Not 
to mention all the camping gear in the back.  Other symptoms of 
immersion were that all the indicator lights came on when the 
binnacle was completely underwater.

If he hadn't had a snorkel he would have been more careful, but 
would be short of a damn good story.

All the best,

Andy
andyg@sherco.co.za, '79RR.

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:45:49 +0200
Subject: Re: Re[2]: USA Remolds & 1 tire 4sale 

John wrote;

> >I am glad you are happy with your 10 ply tires, personally I 
found 6 ply to be 
#a bit on the heavy and stiff side for an 88.

dave wrote;

> yeah, I had some 8 ply (I thikn, or was it 6) "Cargo Trac" biass 
ply tires on 
# radials. Whole different ball game when it comes to # of plys vs. ride 
> stiffness. 

Yes but nope.  Had 10 ply Japanese made ?Goodyear long-
distance radials on the SIII LWB petrol in the UK.  They were 10 
years old and had done at best guess 100,000km when they were 
used for about two years on tarmac with the Land Rover in 4WD 
(*never* lend a LR to a non-LR person...).  End of tyres; failed MOT 
due to 'stepping' on the tread.

But my point was... er... oh yes.  The sidewalls were really, really 
stiff.  A change to Michelin 7.50R16 XCLs (?6 ply rating, not the 
least industrial of tyres) made the ride way more comfortable and 
the sidewalls actually bulged when you let them down below 20psi.

Indestructible the 10 plys may have been but comfortable they 
were not.

All the best,

Andy
andyg@sherco.co.za, '79RR

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From: Joseph Broach <jbroach@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:28:21 -0700
Subject: Re: Stick 'em Up

>>The number of manual transmission vehicles continues to decline in the
>>US, and overall I think it is less than 10%.

>Just curious as to where the figure came from.  I believe that only 65-70%
>of the new vehcles sold in the US come with autos currently.

I think it must vary regionally as well. In Tennessee, I never saw average
cars with sticks. Up here in Montana, I'd wager 60% are manual. Maybe they
like the extra control on snowy roads?

-joseph and sidney
missoula, mt

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From: Joseph Broach <jbroach@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:30:59 -0700
Subject: Re: Alaska too cold for land rovers?

>>joseph and sidney wrote:

>>Who needs a battery warmer in a Land Rover? I've successfully used a
>>hand crank in 0 degree weather with a battery that would only click the
>>solenoid shut.  (snip)

>Adrian retorts:
>Yes - but try hand cranking a diesel 88" :-)

Whoops, point well taken. If you did manage to turn one over, the thing
could rip your arm off! You, know, I've never even seen a LR diesel in
person.

-joseph and sidney
missoula, mt

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:29:55 EST
Subject: Re: Guisness taste

In a message dated 98-12-12 00:44:51 EST, you write:

<< This is the WRONG place to taking the name of the holy water in vain.  This
 is the virtual church of the black gold.  Go climb back into your Geo
 Metro, crack open your Zima and drive your lame ass over to the bowling
 alley...
 
 Russ Wilson
 Leslie Bittner >>
Hear hear, if all you and the other little girls want to do is irrigate your
kidneys you can drink any kind of horse piss, but Guinness is a man's drink. 

Bill Lawrence
Albq, Nm

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:52:39 EST
Subject: Re: Guinness taste

Ahh! That explains why you don't tighten you spring bushings.

Bill Lawrence

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From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:18:11 -0800
Subject: Re: Alaska too cold for land rovers?

Joseph Broach wrote:

>  I've found that our Rovers (with Zeniths) cold
> start as well or better than a modern, fuel injected car.

Now that you mention it, I'd agree.  I run a Zenith currently and it 
certainlydoes
cold start very quickly (usually :) ).  OTOH hot starts are a total bitch.

Jeremy

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:01:48 EST
Subject: Re: Guinness for what its worth

In a message dated 98-12-15 12:48:00 EST, you write:

 Now what can we say about the other fine Irish Stouts.  We have yet to hear
 form a Smithwicks drinker.  Murphy's may be okay but its not a full meal in
 a glass (Guinness = two meat pies in every glass).  Oshea's can't compete
 either.  Taddy Porters are close but you know what they say: close only
 counts with horse-shoes and hand-granades.
 
  >>
Horseshoes, handgrenades and thermonuclear warfare.

Bill Lawrence
Albq, Nm

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From: Joseph Broach <jbroach@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:01:01 -0700
Subject: Re: Alaska too cold for land rovers?

>>  I've found that our Rovers (with Zeniths) cold
>> start as well or better than a modern, fuel injected car.

>Now that you mention it, I'd agree.  I run a Zenith currently and it
>certainly does cold start very quickly (usually :) ).  OTOH hot starts are
>a >total bitch.

Oh, yeah, I had blocked that from my mind. I wonder; does anyone's Zenith
give decent hot starts??

-joseph and sidney
missoula, mt

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:30:28 -1000
Subject: Re: Guisness taste

> but Guinness is a man's drink.
geee, I always thought 150 proof Mescal with da worm was a mans drink??
Bottle broke in the back of my 88" when four wheelin once (content :-p )
Aloha and Mele Malikimaka
Pete

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:39:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Guisness taste

...This is the WRONG place to taking the name of the holy water in vain...
(Russ Wilson / Leslie Bittner)

...Hear hear, if all you and the other little girls want to do is irrigate your
kidneys you can drink any kind of horse piss, but Guinness is a man's drink...

Aye! Only the strongest for us lads!!
Here's to Guinness & LRs!!

Cheers - Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:38:31 EST
Subject: Re: CIrvin1258's   "Luck"

In a message dated 98-12-17 20:52:56 EST, you write:

<< Charles. I have to ask this. Are you sure the manifold gaskets are on the
right
 way round. It can get a bit confusing with those things as they can be
installed
 two ways >>

Took me a few hours to remember that...

It's running fine now - except for that EFI light that suddenly decided to
light up!

I put everything back the way it was EXACTLY - right down to the last nut/bold
(even added a few that were missing!), no extra parts left over, for once! I'd
guess that it's just a dirty cannon plug - most likely the one that runs along
the left fuel rail: I couldn't get the plenum chamber off, so I just yanked
off anything that was stuck to the rest of the truck, and removed the entire
plenum/intake manifold together!

At least Rover was nice about how they put that thing together - my SD-1 for
example: you need special tools to remove the wiring harness from the
injectors - on the Rangie you push a wire lock inwards, and the plug comes
right off! It was only a real bitch pulling the harness off the assembled
manifold, and playing with the power steering pump (the bracket its attached
to has to come off, because it's bolted to the LH cylinder head & there's a
countersunk allen head screw directly behind the pump!), but once I got the
sequence of events figured out, it was only time consuming. Worked on it from
roughly 1400 yesterday, until 0700 today, slept for 5 hours, and was back at
it again, until 2000 tonight! (took about 3 hours to figure out the exhaust
gaskets, and assembling/disassembling/re assembling manifold bolts/locktabs,
until I got it right. (read - scars on arms, smashed fingers/thumbs, and a few
burns before the manifolds cooled down)

During the process, I even adjusted all the belts - no fun driving a Rangie if
it squeals like a pig in heat! (think Ned Beatty in Deliverance) I had planned
on rebuilding the steering box while I was at it, but the gasket job took
enough time as it was.

Any guesses as to why the EFI light suddenly is on? As I said, I'd guess a
dirty cannon plug, but maybe I plugged something in backwards? The truck also
has an erratic idle, but I think that may be due to my connecting the vacum
advance (turns out, it had been disconnected for ages!)? Who knows.

BTW - anybody on the list know any petite femals in the L.A. area, that like
to walk on backs? Mine is killing me! Bent over the fender of a Rangie for 17
hours, then another 7 hours, isn't the best form of exercise.

As I said before - now I know why Four Oaks Garage charges $2300.00 to do a
head gasket job!

Charles

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 02:40:34 EST
Subject: Re: Timing chain tensioner behavior...

In a message dated 98-12-17 19:08:46 EST, you write:

<< Boy! I don't want to mess with you if hit people with 109s surely a
baseball or
 cricket bat would be sufficient.
 John and Muddy >>

John,

Leave it to you to brighten up a lousy week! Thanks.

Charles
P.S. I prefer Louisville Sluggers, but after throwing suitcases/boxes at LAX
for the last 14 years, they got kinda light...had to move up to something a
bit heavier.

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From: "Joost Kramer" <jkramer@best.ms.philips.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:58:00 +0100
Subject: Re: Alaska too cold for land rovers?

>Oh, yeah, I had blocked that from my mind. I wonder; does anyone's Zenith
>give decent hot starts??

Mine starts even beter! With hand cranking; just one time trough compression
and it runs.

Joost Kramer

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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:59:07 +0000
Subject: Re: Guisness taste

When I were a lad, Guinness seemed a little too bitter to drink a lot
of, so I used to drink Newcastle Brown, then one day a publican in the
Peak District suggested both, half a Guinness and half a Newcastle
Brown, I think he called it Black and Tan.
It was a staple diet for many years.
The beauty of it was that it was consistant any where in the country.
But I remember walking over Sty-Head in the Lakes from Waste Water Hotel
after 4 pints of Guinness one lunch time and the 88" Landy I had then
never went better! Couldn't do that today, socially irresponsible, the
good ol'days.  

Mick Forster
1972 109" Safari 2.25 petrol
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/LWBrst/LWBrst.html
http://members.aol.com/IssyJames/LRlinks/LRlinks.htm

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