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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:12:08 +0200
Subject: Re: New Landie and the old one

> from the 88 (1981 Series III Diesel) (Diesel is cheaper in France, as I told
> in the Petrol thread).

Almost all the engine bits will fit, and the gearboxes should be 
interchangeable.  Most ancillary engine components (air cleaner, 
radiator etc.) will fit.

Your 88" should have a 5 main bearing block, which will mean that 
the block and crankshaft are different to the 3 main bearing one 
that should be in the IIa.  The exhaust manifolds will probably be 
different.

The brakes and axles are different, as are the rear propshafts and 
springs.  Parts of the axles and propshafts will fit, such as ?the 
swivels and UJs.

Bumper, doors, wings, glass, rear door/tailgate etc. will fit.  The 
bonnet may or may not fit, depending on the IIa.

I'd keep it if you have the space - it is similar enough.

All the best,
^O
Andy
andyg@sherco.co.za, '79RR

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 08:47:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Vehicle Tax and other costs-leading on from Petrol price

I qualify for a farm rate which reflects the lower risk in rural areas and the 
fact that
much of the vehicle mileage is off the road and a fleet of 6 with one driver.
john and Muddy

"d.h.lowe" wrote:

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From: echo@pacific.net.sg
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 20:53:57 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: reading the spark plugs

Hello,

Posted this to the list yesterday, but it did not show up. Here's my
second try. Apologies in advance if you should happen to
receive this the second time.

 Here's an interesting one:
 
 On the 6cylinder 2.6l petrol engine, I get plugs no 1, 2 and 3 a grey-ish
brown, while plugs 4, 5 and 6 are very white.
 
 All plugs have the same heat rating, compression tests reveal
 negligible differences between all cylinders.
 
 It seem improbable to me that fuelling could be the cause, as the carb
 is sited nearer cylinders 4, 5 and 6, and should theoretically cause the
 reverse in plug readings.
 
 This has gotten me stumped.

 Any thoughts from the collective wisdom of the list?
 
 Cheers

==
Lawrence Lee
Blk 22, Sin Ming Road, # 11-216
Singapore 570022
Tel: (65) 456 7815   Mobile: 9 684 3678

Land Rover SerIII 109, 2.6l   "Kerbau"
A Malay name for Water Buffalo. One that PREFERS to stay in mud.

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:00:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Occasional missing V8

Sounds like an ignition switch problem. When turned to the start position it
loses the ignition feed. This could well be an intermittant sign of a failing
switch.
John and Muddy

Malcolm Woodruff wrote:

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:11:44 -0400
Subject: Re: reading the spark plugs

It you are using unleaded fuel the brownish colour is right which means that
the white
plugs are running on a too lean mixture. Check for vacuum leaks. Perhaps a bad
carb gasket or cracked manifold. If all else fails check the brake servo for a
diaphragm leak.
John and Muddy
echo@pacific.net.sg wrote:

> Hello,
> Posted this to the list yesterday, but it did not show up. Here's my
> second try. Apologies in advance if you should happen to
> receive this the second time.
>  Here's an interesting one:
>  On the 6cylinder 2.6l petrol engine, I get plugs no 1, 2 and 3 a grey-ish

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> Land Rover SerIII 109, 2.6l   "Kerbau"
> A Malay name for Water Buffalo. One that PREFERS to stay in mud.

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From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:06:17 +0100
Subject: Re: New Landie and the old one

>Almost all the engine bits will fit, and the gearboxes should be 
>All the best,
Thanks a lot for the info. I'll keep it !
Alain
Fontainebleau,
FRANCE

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 8:35:52 -0500
Subject: Re: reading the spark plugs

We must assume of course that these are relativly new and properly gapped 
plugs with all the valves adjusted and the timing set to specs. With that 
in mind, look for loose manifold nuts...not finger loose, but 
not-to-torque loose.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'69 Buick LeSabre Ragtop
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:56:28 -0600
Subject: RE: New Landie what a WUSS !!

>    Once you get married, it seems like there are ladies everywhere who
want
>to be your girlfriend.

That is an absolute truth.
When you are alone, nobody wants you, BUT when you are already commited
oportunities flow from everywhere.
Isn't life a great mystery?

:-]

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: chsteven@aerotek.com
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:18:57 -0500
Subject: Starter Stuff

Hey Folks,

Just got the rebuilt head and engine back together on my son's SIII. When we 
tried to
fire her up the starter whinned but didn't engage with the flywheel. What's the 
fix?
Anyone know?

Chris Stevens
Towson, MD

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:29:05 +0000
Subject: Re: Starter Stuff

>fire her up the starter whinned but didn't engage with the flywheel.
>What's the fix?
Bendix gear not working,for a bet.Take the starter out,and clean up
the inboard end,so the gear on it will move freely.*Dont* oil it.
If you must lubricate it use dry graphite.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <rgdushin@blackcat.cat.syr.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:02:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Bill Rice's Brake Woes

Bill:

What happens when you snug up ALL the snail cams (so's
you can't even turn each wheel by hand)?  Sounds like, from
what you'd stated earlier, that this will still give
you squishy pedal.  IF so, air is your first suspect.  It's
not bleeding out 'cause it's trapped in the tippy top of
your master (CB master, right?).  I've successfully gotten
this air out by:

a) loosen all your connections just a tad that run to and from
the master (while it's bolted in, so that you can fully loosen
later more easily).
b) remove the six screws holding the plate on top of the pedal 
box that in turn also holds the reservoir.  This gives a little
more freedom of movement so's you don't bugger up your lines.
c) remove the pedal box bolts, and manoveur it around the steering
column...get it level, or just past level.  Go easy on those lines.
d) loosen the outgoing line, and while tilting the pedal box
ass'y to and past level, get a pal to ever so slightly depress the
pedal and hold it down. May have to fully remove the outgoing
line.  Watch for air and watch out for fluid spouting out.  Mop
up with a rag and clean soonest if you care about paint...
e) tighten that outgoing line, let the pedal back up, and repeat
this process until you're sure there's no more air in the master.
f) Reinstall pedal box and then bleed out what little air just entered the
line. Closest to furthest in terms of line length (LF,RF,LR,RR).

this works folks,
rd/nige

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:04:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: New Landie and the old one

Hey Alain - It was a joke - not serious - G'luck - Peter

>>Oh, wait you have an 88 - and now you want to buy another?!  I must have
>>missed that.
>>Well, that changes things...  Ship the 109 to me!
>Sorry but, I'll take the 109.
>But if you want the 88, I sell it, 1600$
>front Outriggers rusted (I have the parts),
>Injection pump to time (smoke, smoke, smoke)
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>And I surely forgot others....
>But I think you're too far from France...

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:10:08 -0600
Subject: RE: Master Cylinder Rebuild ?'s - Bench Bleed/Reservoir.

Another quick Master Cylinder question:

The instructions recommend using some Girling Brake grease on the end cap
seal and the seals.

The only Girling brake grease I have comes in a yellow tube, is green and is
recommended for mechanical parts such as the end of shoes... specifically
"not for parts in contact with brake fluid"  Is there an alternative?  Is is
necessary?

Cwolfe

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From: "HENRY STAGE"<henry.stage@smtp.cnet.navy.mil>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:53:02 -0600
Subject: new landie

     Alain,
        
        Buy the truck. Call up your girl friend, pick up a bouquet of 
     pretty flowers, pick her up in the new beast and take her out.  Make 
     sure she wears something absolutely smashing so everyone's head snaps 
     about as she enters the room.
        Watch the crowd very closely. For the reasons already stated, good 
     looking women will WANT you and that crazy cool aluminum box you 
     drive.  When you find that one in the crowd go up to her, chat her up 
     (to make sure all oars are in the water) take her hand, AND RUN, BOY, 
     RUN!!!
        Somewhere there is a woman who will be either; A. so crazy about 
     you that she finds your small vice charming or, b. loves landies 
     herself.  
        Of course, all this is moot if your the one who is A as stated 
     above...
     
     good luck!
     
     Cole Stage, Hefelump herdsman
     
     FWIW, I am getting married this saturday eve to a tall, beautiful, 
     brilliant, charming young lady whose only apperant lapse in judgements 
     are A. crazy enough about me to find rovers charming and B. agreed to 
     drive on a thirty day 6,500 mile cross country honeymoon in a rover 
     ambulance  in DECEMBER!!!

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 07:26:27 -0800
Subject: speedo jumping

>Subject: more on speedos

Hi, When I lived in the colder climates (NY) if a speedo started to jump,
we lubed the cable, and it almost always took care of it.
I would suggest to buy a tube of speedometer cable lube and lube it. Take
it off at the speedo and do it.
The reason to start here is it is inexpensive compared to the speedo
rebuild, and it usually needs it anyway. Also be sure there are no sharp
bends to the cable routing. If it fixes it you don't need to spring for the
speedo rebuild.
On one Landrover, I found that 90wt had migrated up the cable and into the
speedo.(or was this a Spot?) I cleaned the sludge out with some spray
cleaner and it took care of the problem. I believe there is a seal inside
the cable drive connection on the tranny to prevent this.

Bob B 

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:23:43 -0600
Subject: NA Source for Gunson's EZ-Bleed?

Would appreciate sources for Gunson's EZ-Bleed in North America. 

Thanks
cwolfe

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From: "Kenner, Dixon" <Dixon.Kenner@ms.rc.x400.gc.ca>
Date: 9 Dec 1998 11:24:00 -0500
Subject: insurance

"d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com> wrote:

>Is your insurance through a "historic" agency or the usual car types. The best
>I can get for my fleet is ¤480 Can. each.

Probably because you are near Toronto...  The BGB is about 300 a year (same
as the '87 Saab) for the same coverage...

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From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:20:41 +0100
Subject: Re: New Landie

>Well, that changes things...  Ship the 109 to me!

Joke, joke, if I ship it to you, you will find it a pleasant joke ;-) !

No, seriously, I'm gonna keep the 88 for parts for the 109.

Alain
Fontainebleau, FRANCE

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:38:35 -0500
Subject: Cling oils

Nate NADdMD@aol.com wrote:
>Sandy,
>Was it you who adds chainsaw bar oil to the gearbox to increase oil
>retention on the gears?  I can't seem to find the thread about this which
>played out about a year ago.

>If you're the one, what's your experience and how much do you add?

Not bar oil, but a different "cling" oil called Hi-Tach.  They're the ones
that market the stuff with a little lucite case of gear wheels setting on
the counter at the auto parts store.  Turn the crank and watch the oil
climb all the gears...but I digress.

Acording to the container, it's "pure petroleum" but put a drop between
thumb and forefinger at it leaves 'threads'.  In the T-box where I have a
temp sender, I found that a 50% addition of Hi-Tach reduced summertime
temps on a long, hot Interstate run by 90 F.  I use it wherever I put in 90
wt....  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  |                                                   |
  |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        | 
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:38:36 -0500
Subject: Master cylinders

"Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org> wrote:

>Just did my first master cylinder rebuild.  Have a few questions.

>How do you bench bleed the Master cylinder?  I assume you do not just hook
>it up to the reservoir while in a vise and work the pedal.  This would not
>seem to be any better than a bleed in vivo.

Which master cylinder do you have?  The only time you *need* to bench bleed
is with the CB unit.  Air can get trapped in the big end...by positioning
it in the vice, that air can be expelled.  (Or, you can fit it and jack the
front end as high as possible with a pair of Hi-Lifts!)  You bleed it until
all the bubbles are gone and on the down stroke, fit some soft, temporary
plug into the output hole; when you release the pedal, fit one to the
input.  When hooking up the brake line, only a tiny bit of air will be
introduced...but *not* in the master cylinder where it is a real pain to
deal with.... Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  |                                                   |
  |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        | 
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:50:06 -0800 
Subject: Re: stainless fasteners etc

From: "Richard Clarke"<Richard.Clarke@nre.vic.gov.au>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:11:26 +1000
Subject: Re: stainless fasteners etc

>Could the old zinc coating on cappings on series landys have acted as a
sacrificail anode thus reducing the tendency for aluminium corrosion which
seems to be occurring on some of the newer stuff?

I suppose it's possible.  However, if electrolysis was present to a large
degree and the zinc galvanizing was acting as a sacrificial anode, it should
all be gone by now.  The zincs fastened to the bottom of boats are generally
at least half-gone by the end of a year or so, depending on how "hot" the
harbor is where the boat is kept.  The galvanizing on the body cappings of
Land Rovers is there to prevent the cappings from rusting.  But don't forget
that the steel used in the Series Rovers is probably not that far away from
the aluminum alloy of the body panels in terms of the Galvanic chart.  Add
to that the fact that a vehicle's corrosion environment is much less harsh
than that of a boat, and it's likely that the degree of corrosion due to
electrolysis is probably pretty small.  I have not yet found any obvious
corrosion on the aluminum bits of my Series III after 25 years.  Start
putting stainless steel stuff on the vehicle, however, and you now have
metals that are quite far apart on the chart, so you're setting up an ideal
situation for accelerated electrolysis.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:41:36 -0500
Subject: Re: NA Source for Gunson's EZ-Bleed?

Wolfe, Charles wrote:
> Would appreciate sources for Gunson's EZ-Bleed in North America.
> Thanks
> cwolfe

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 13:10:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Here is a  Source for Gunson's EZ-Bleed

Wolfe, Charles wrote:
> Would appreciate sources for Gunson's EZ-Bleed in North America.

 
Seems the link I send did not work..I probabaly didnt do it right anyway
>Heres where I got mine
R.D. Enterprises
290 Raub Rd
Quakertown, PA
215-538-9323 

Price was $ 26.95
 also check out the archives search
www.land-Rover.team.net/Search/index.html
search EZ Bleed  look at the bottom of the list and go to the reply from
John tackley..good info & Tips on using EZ Bleed
Rgds
Steve Bradke

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <rgdushin@blackcat.cat.syr.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:32:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: more on Masters

Sandy gives bench-bleeding advice:

***
Which master cylinder do you have?  The only time you *need* to bench
bleed is with the CB unit.  Air can get trapped in the big end...by
positioning it in the vice, that air can be expelled.  (Or, you can fit it
and jack the front end as high as possible with a pair of Hi-Lifts!)  You
bleed it until all the bubbles are gone and on the down stroke, fit some
soft, temporary plug into the output hole; when you release the pedal, fit
one to the input.  When hooking up the brake line, only a tiny bit of air
will be introduced...but *not* in the master cylinder where it is a real
pain to deal with.
***

all works until you accidentally depress (or release) the pedal...easy
to do upon installation of the pedal box.  And when it does get depressed
or relased, there goes your bleed. Yer fugged.

Yes, some brave souls bleed the master by jacking up the vehicle, parking
on a steeeeep  hill (using the tranny brake alone..) or even using a
crane.  I've tried the jacking trick, and the steep hill trick, and I can
say first hand to the masses that both were rather harrowing experiences.
Neither is a very safe way to approach this problem (of a teaspoon of air
being trapped up high in a CB master).  See my previous post today for a
way to do this without a risk of life...

rd/nige

ps most decent auot parts places carry EZ bleeds, or their equivalents.

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 98 13:35:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Cling oils 

>  I use it wherever I put in 90 wt....  Cheers

how much?

dave

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:46:35 -0600
Subject: Re: Speedometer (and GPS)

"Peter Monk" <monk@math.udel.edu> wrote:

> I think GPS uses doppler shift to calculate velocity.  Hence why it is
> possible to get a reasonable velocity and lousy position.  But I have
> no idea on the accuracy limit on velocity.

	No it does not use Doppler shift; it used the time and the distance
between points.  Typically the GPS unit will average the velocity over a
fwe seconds.  To do Doppler, you need to calculate the angle between the
incoming signal and your velocity vector because the Doppler measured is:
Cosin(Angle)*real-velocity == measured velocity.

"Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com> wrote:
 
> There are three signals transmitted from the Global Positioning Satellites:
> the Standard Positioning Service (SPS), the Precision Positioning Service
> (PPS)

	Acutually PPS uses two signals per satellite on different frequencies
to cancel out Ionospheric Errors.  The SPS only uses one.  This factor alone
can introduce between 1m and 30m of error.

> There are three signals transmitted from the Global Positioning Satellites:
  The accuracy of SPS is guaranteed to be within 100 meters (328
  feet).  It is set up so that 95 percent of all the fixes that can be
  obtained at the same location will fall within that 100 meter accuracy
  level.  In actual practice, the users of an SPS GPS receiver can routinely
  obtain fixes that are accurate to within 80 to 97 feet (25 to 30 meters) 
> There are three signals transmitted from the Global Positioning Satellites:

	Agreed.  Although I once measured with a fixed station and had about
10 minutes where the signal was between 100 m and 258 meters off.  The US DOD
can degrade the Selective Availability Error within 48 hours of the command
from National Authority.

> The PPS signal is readable only by the equipment used by the US military and
> its allied forces, plus a very limited number of non-military users (CIA,
> FBI, etc.).  

	The signals are encrypted and the units that I saw has to get a new
crypto key every 2 weeks.  The biggest form of error with the PPS is the
prediction of the satellite orbit for the day and the clocks on the satellites
which are re-synced once a day.  If you look at the error from a PPS system
it will look like a step function because it depends on the clock in the
satellites used in the solution.

David Scheidt <david@infocom.com> wrote:
> The third is what is called selective
> availablity, or SA.  SA is acheived by essentially having the satellites
> lie about what time they think it is (you can still set your watch, or
> telephone switch to it).

	They also lie about their predicted orbit.  Remember that a lie of
0.000001 seconds at the speed of light is 100 meters.

	The reason that the speed measurement is fairly accurate is that
the error is slowly varying--usually only a few cm per seconds.  As for 
measruing long distance mileage, the errors tend to cancel out.  The number
of errors that are too long are about the same as those that are too short.

	For a good description of GPS errors, look at the following web
page at the US Navy Post Graduate School:

http://www.oc.nps.navy.mil/~jclynch/accfact.html

Ben 
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:01:33 EST
Subject: Re: Occasional missing V8

In a message dated 12/9/98 12:05:19 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kap08@dial.pipex.com writes:

<< Can anyone tell me why, if I am not getting a spark when the engine turns 
 over with the starter motor, I can tow start? >>

Most conventional ignition systems for internal combustion engines employ a
resistor which reduces voltage to the ingition sytem for normal operations.
To deal with the problem of starting the car with the overall reduction of
system voltage caused by the high demand starting motor on the system it is a
general practice to wire the ignition system direct to the system (not through
the resistor) for the starting process.  Simple diagnostics are to hot wire to
the coil for starting (it shouldnt hurt to run this way for a short time)  and
see if the unit starts.  More elegant methods would look for voltage to the
coil while cranking the starter.

Zack Arbios

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:30:36 -0000
Subject: Non LR woes!
	charset="iso-8859-1"

Help guys!

As you all know I own a F*rd Explorer as well as my SIII (got flamed =
plenty too), anyway I have an urgent problem I need some help with. When =
I put the Explorer into 4 wheel drive high the front of the vehicle =
groans A LOT, and if reversing, she will stop if the wheels are slightly =
turned. I am afraid to drive it at the moment in case somwthing has =
'gone' in the front drivetrain. It is a very grindy noise BTW.

As this IS a 4 wheel drive vehicle, I was wondering if anyone could give =
me a hint as to what to complain about!!! No silly answers or flames =
please, I have to transport my young family in this vehicle daily and if =
it's gonna kill/Hurt someone I NEED TO KNOW!

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:31:51 -0000
Subject: Fw: Non LR woes!
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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:43:30 EST
Subject: Re: Non LR woes!

In a message dated 12/9/98 11:30:32 AM Pacific Standard Time,
metal_thrasher@msn.com writes:

<<  It is a very grindy noise BTW.
  >>
Get that bad boy towed somewhere where they can listen and touch it.  Or hold
it a little closer to the keyboard, I can't quite hear the exact noise you're
talking about.  Sounds bad and expensive and oddly diff like.  F**d EXPLODER
huh?

Good luck and best wishes.

Zack Arbios
S2-A Range Rover
also owns Rav4 and Ford F250 1 ton crew cab and so sympathizes as they are
wifes rigs, thus must always work.

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:55:02 EST
Subject: Re: 3.5/Series Conversion

One warning I can pass on is make sure you change the spigot bearing. I heard
tell of one converter who left the automatic spigot bearing in, and resulted
in friction welding the gearbx mainshaft to the engine flywheel.

So now how do you get the engine out??
 
I know that Ian Ashcroft here in the UK markets all sorts of conversion kits
[spamkill: [Ii][Nn][fF][Oo]@ input: %s]	 email. info@autoconv.com
email. info@autoconv.com

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid

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From: Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:28:00 -0800 
Subject: auto boxes

     Early RRs had a 3 speed auto 'box; when you drive it the engine 
     really revs in each gear before it (chunkily) selects the next...  
     Apparently the 3 speed auto is one of the more bulletproof offerings 
     in the gearbox department.  Can't remember who made the 'box.
     
          Chrysler torque flyte.
     
       
     don't think it has a lock-up on 3rd gear so will probably be quite 
     inefficient at cruise.
     
          YOu can get this done in north america as an aftermarket option.
     
     Clinton

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From: Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:33:00 -0800 
Subject: more on speedos

     
     In a message dated 98-12-08 13:15:00 EST, you write:
     
           *ahem* Details please.....  
           
      >>
     Er, did I miss something?
     
     Just wanted to know what you did and how you did it, re: rebuilding 
     the speedo.
     
     Clinton

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From: Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:27:00 -0800 
Subject: Peugeot diesels

>> 205 60-70mpg was the norm and top speed (on a race track - officer) was 
> over 90 mph.

This is a completely different engine, it was designed years later. 
 
    This is what I thought
    
>The one I am thinking about is the 2.3L XD2, which is designed to tow 
> around a sizeable lump of PG station wagon. 

There were two versions of the XD2 engine: XD2 P and XD2 PS both are 2.3l
engines. The P version lacks the turbo. A bigger version of this engine is 
the XD3, available as P (no turbo), TP (with turbo) and TE (with turbo and
inter-cooler). The technical data are:

     Data didn't make it.  Thanks for the info though.  BTW in general, 
     does anyone know where I can source two oilpans from a DAF 400 van?  
     This is the oilpan that is needed to put on the engine to make it fit 
     the LR.
     
     Clinton

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 20:01:42 -0000
Subject: Re: Non LR woes!

Thanks,

If it's the Diff I suspect it should be covered by the free 4 year warranty
the Explorer came with......unless it is like my sisters N*ssan M*cra -
which had a warranty which covered nothing! i.e All electrical
equipment/systems, BUT not including wiring, electrics etc.!!!!!

Neil

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From: "Scheidt, David, NPG" <dscheidt@att.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:34:34 -0500 
Subject: source for gunsons EZ bleed and girling brake grease.

I bought my Gunson's from Moss.  It was rather expensive for what it is, but
it is mighty handy.

There are two sorts of Girling brake grease there is the mechanical stuff,
which is green, and the "red rubber grease" which, not suprisingly, is red.
I know Rovers North sell the red stuff, I suspect all the other places do
to. 

David
-- 
David Scheidt, IMO Customer Care dscheidt@att.com
480 Red Hill Rd 1k217, Middletown NJ 07748
(v) +1 (732) 615-2888 (f) +1 (732) 615-2597

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:07:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: New Landie

>>Well, that changes things...  Ship the 109 to me!
>Joke, joke, if I ship it to you, you will find it a pleasant joke ;-) !
I'll find it more pleasant if you include two French female passengers
(who like LRs, mind you) for the front seat!

Cheers - Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 21:10:25 +0100
Subject: Does a Bronco qualify?

Hi all!

Just returned from two months filming in Alaska. For the first week I
hired a Mitsubishi Montero, but at around 600 dollars a week plus
insurance (which is really heavy if you don't have a US license) this
would have become an expensive *hobby* - so I decided to go the whole
hog and buy a truck.

Not too many Landies on the road up there, even fewer for sale at prices
interesting, and no hope of a working heater - and Alaska needs heat!

So I hid my pride and went over to the "other side" and bought a 1984
Ford Bronco with a 5.8l V8 gas-guzzler, automatic gears (funny gears for
us euro's) and plenty of space and comfort. A snip at 2700 dollars,
which is well below the market resale price of 5600 according to the
little yellow bible. What could be wrong with her I asked myself???

Well took the tyres to be checked and discovered that the tires, and
wheels belonged to a ford exploder and NOT a Bronco - wham - there went
another 500 dollars, then an oil check and fluid check, and ready for
the road.

I did have to take a US driving test to save insurance ( I saved over
2500 dollars for 6 months with AAA coverage on a US license). The test
was funny - I seem to have pulled an easy multiple choice test - passed
first time, but failed the road test first time due to not having
practyioced the parallel parking in the new Bronco. (Well, as I said to
the inspector - I have driven for 23 years, the last 16 in a 109, I just
don't try to parallel park anymore - I drive it to somewhere where the
maneuver is easier, then WALK - but that didn't get me any slack. Second
time I ran the road test I passed. (OK, when the laughing has died down,
how many here reckon they could pass the theory and road test first time
today, without reading up?)

In the beginning of November I took the drive from Anchorage to
Fairbanks, a nice 400 miles over the mountains hoping for the photogenic
vistas for my documentary series - no luck, 9 hours of freezing rain,
fog, and blinding snowstorm most of the way through Denali park - no
horizon, couldn't even see the trees at the side of the road, and plenty
of fun taking the hills with a automatic gearbox - I knew there must be
a reason for preferring the manual box - this was it.

But the wagon functioned perfectly for two months, even starting in
minus 30' degrees celcius in Fairbanks having been left in a hotel car
park for three weeks without pre-warming or charging.

OK, it's not a landy, but it did give me many of the joys of four
wheeling, space, freedom, safe driving and handling, and a working
heater and aircon to boot. One door handle snapped, the rear window
(electric) failed a few times, and one loudspeaker went dead - but apart
from all that, no problems and lots of fun.

She's locked up and mothballed until the spring, when I return to
Anchorage for some serious off-roading next year. Maybe she'll acquire a
LR logo before I sell her...In fact, I'd love to bring her home, but,
crazy thing is, that this rig, with its excellent emissions test result,
but with space for 5 would cost a fortune to register in Denmark.

So for the next few weeks it's back to bashing the 88's and the 109 into
shape. maybe tackling another front axle rebuild over Christmas?

Now... back to the workshop to fix those headlights on the 109....

Nice to be back folks.

Season's greetings!

Adrian Redmond

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 21:11:50 +0100
Subject: Re: Fw: Non LR woes!

No Free wheel hubs playing up here by any chance?

Neil Brownlee wrote:

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 16:24:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Non LR woes!

Sounds to me like a front diff failure. The Explorer isn't a bad vehicle if
you don't do too much exploring.
John and Muddy

Neil Brownlee wrote:

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 16:39:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Non LR woes!

It sounds like a front diff failure. Do not drive it unless the hubs are
unlocked or you could have no steering.
John and muddy

Neil Brownlee wrote:

> Help guys!
> As you all know I own a F*rd Explorer as well as my SIII (got flamed =
> plenty too), anyway I have an urgent problem I need some help with. When =
> I put the Explorer into 4 wheel drive high the front of the vehicle =
> groans A LOT, and if reversing, she will stop if the wheels are slightly =
> turned. I am afraid to drive it at the moment in case somwthing has =
> 'gone' in the front drivetrain. It is a very grindy noise BTW.
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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 16:42:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Starter Stuff

Mike Rooth wrote:

> >fire her up the starter whinned but didn't engage with the flywheel.
> >What's the fix?
> Bendix gear not working,for a bet.Take the starter out,and clean up
> the inboard end,so the gear on it will move freely.*Dont* oil it.
> If you must lubricate it use dry graphite.
> Cheers
> Mike

And make sure the battery is fully charged.   (not a comment on payment
method)
John and Muddy

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 16:58:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Occasional missing V8

Zaxcoinc@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 12/9/98 12:05:19 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> kap08@dial.pipex.com writes:
> << Can anyone tell me why, if I am not getting a spark when the engine turns
>  over with the starter motor, I can tow start? >>
> Most conventional ignition systems for internal combustion engines employ a
> resistor which reduces voltage to the ingition sytem for normal operations.
> To deal with the problem of starting the car with the overall reduction of
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> see if the unit starts.  More elegant methods would look for voltage to the
> coil while cranking the starter.

It probably is not the ballast resistor. When these go the vehicle will fire 
only
when the starter is engaged becuase the ballast is switched out when starting to
boost the spark.
It is more likely to be the Ign. switch faulty in the start position. Check this
by "hot" wireing the coil and then trying the starter.
John and Muddy

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 16:44:09 -0500
Subject: another source for EZ Bleed

Here is another source for EZ Bleed
Auto Expert Products Co.
Boca raton Florida
408-483-7898
John.Abbott@ssc.siemens.com

 No idea on how much they get for the unit
and I have never delt with them
Rgds
Steve Bradke '68 Series lla

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From: "Richard Clarke"<Richard.Clarke@nre.vic.gov.au>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:44:00 +1000
Subject: Re:petrol by the pound

From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:30:39 EST
Subject: Re: Petrol?
I read in the Times at the weekend that currently we in the UK pay 25pounds
tax on every 30pounds of petrol.
I thought they only put 'pounds' of fuel in planes - you should be using
litres (or gallons) - that could be the problem (-:

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:48:09 -0000
Subject: LPG Series 3 Conversion
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I have just converted my  1978 Series 3 to LPG. It's the first =
conversion done by my local garage, although they have converted some =
Range Rovers. I've run it for a few weeks and despite retuning , still =
feel disappointed by the economy and miles per litre. If anyone out =
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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:51:28 -0000
Subject: Can I sue?
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RE My Explorer

If the diff has gone, could I realistically sue/complain to a F*rd =
garage that diagnosed the fault last week to a power steering pipe =
rubbing another component?

Just wondering, as my friend got a VERY GOOD DEAL from one manufacturer =
for a similar problem. I cannot disclose it on the list though...some =
may be interested!

Neil

Annoyed and dejected and untrusting of =A330,000 of car...at least my =
SIII is safe! Pity the kids are too young to ride her...(bench seats and =
6 month olds - NO!)

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:59:31 -0000
Subject: speedo
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replaced the speedo inner at the weekend, lying on a frozen puddle.
It went again on the way home tonight.....
oh fudge....

Best Cheers

Frank
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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:59:56 EST
Subject: New Landie (Girlfriends)

Enzo wrote: "Once you get married, it seems like there are ladies everywhere
who want to be your girlfriend."

Of course!  Such a fellow is obviously worth having.  Duhhh!

Paul Quin in Victoria adds: "I've noticed a similar effect: Walk into a
restaurant alone and be totally ignored, walk in with a woman and be checked
out something fierce by most of the women there."

You have described a well known variation on a corollary to a subset of
Murphy's law.  (When it rains, it pours.)  This applies to your social
lives.

For better results, pick a place to meet women where they can see you arrive
in your Land Rover.  Arrive with at least TWO dates (platonic friends,
cousins, neighbors, whatever; but not rentals).  This will get you their
attention.  Likely prospects will already know about the Land Rover and the
dual dates will tell them you are obviously worth having.

Remember, the Land Rover can be the ultimate babe magnet.

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:21:08 -0000
Subject: Frank Elson
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Frank....do you think LRO would enjoy a story about an LR owner who =
actaully likes his F*rd vehicle, but is of the opinion that F*rd service =
is done by monkeys? Just as an aside...during the 10000 service, they =
overfilled the oil, and filled the radiator expansion tank to the =
brim...thats OVER 1.5 litres of excess solution!!!!!! If they don't sort =
me out, I'm going to drag this issue through EVERY 4 wheel drive =
publication.

Neil

(Metal_Thrasher@Msn.Com)

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:01:15 EST
Subject: Tire question

When LR switched to 15" rims, the 7.10 X 15 may have been selected as it had
the same circumference as the 6.00 X 16 previously supplied.  This would
have allowed the use of the same speedometer.  The benefit would have been
wider tires for improved traction in some cases.  Also, by the mid sixties,
600 X 16 tires were obsolete and getting harder to find.  Farm & ranch
supply stores were among the few places then where I could them for my old
1943 flathood.

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 18:28:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Can I sue?

Power Steering hoses rubbing do NOT make crunching noises or the other stuff
you mentioned.  In fact the person who made that diagnosis is obviously
incompetent.
You certainly have grounds to demand a repair at no cost if there is warranty.

I couldn't comment on grounds for a suit.
John and Muddy

Neil Brownlee wrote:

> RE My Explorer
> If the diff has gone, could I realistically sue/complain to a F*rd =
> garage that diagnosed the fault last week to a power steering pipe =
> rubbing another component?
> Just wondering, as my friend got a VERY GOOD DEAL from one manufacturer =
> for a similar problem. I cannot disclose it on the list though...some =
> may be interested!
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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:33:47 -0000
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Thanks for the advice. I am mightily annoyed I can tell you. It is not =
even 1 year old.

New cars with new fangled untouchable bits suck. I nearly bought a flat =
Explorer  - i.e. rolling chassis to put the 109" on....but it had no =
road ID. Glad I didn;t now. Did I hear right that the newer Foers Ibex =
is based on the Explorer?

Neil

Pi**ed, Annoyed and can't waitto shout at some little busy body tomorrow =
who CANNOT claim it's a defect!!!

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From: SJH <SHARDING@SCHULTE-LAW.COM>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:40:00 -0800
Subject: my incompetence

can someone please mail me a primer on how to properly compose a note to   
the list and how to properly reply to another's post without annoying   
list members/receiving my posts back?    do I use the subject line on   
micrsft exchange?  I am (obviously) not too email savvy.  thanks  

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From: Jarvis64@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:38:44 EST
Subject: Re: Bill Rice's Brake Woes

Hi all,
Thanks for the master bleeding stuff, mr. dushin/nige.  

Two questions:  1) when I clamp rear brake line, pedal's firm.  Squishiness
isn't real problem, even when driving w/ no clamps--main prob. is that pedal
won't pump up at all, which un-nerves me, even though I've not "bottomed out"
the pedal in weeks of driving around.

2) why do people always say bleed nearest to farthest; LF, RF . . .?  My LF is
way farther (in linear brake line feet) from the master than my RF is.  Are my
SIIA lines routed differently (over engine to 5 way jct, then under engine and
up to LF wheel cylinder) than other folks' SIIAs?

Thanks everyone.

Bill Rice
SIIA 109 SW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:11:31 -0000
Subject: Re: Frank Elson

Neil,
dunno if the rest of the mag would use it, but I could in my column (I have
a free hand which is just as well :-)> )
meanwhile, have you talked to your nearest Trading Standards Office - they
are a much underused but very useful institution....
I'm one of natures complainers (although I do hand out my share of
compliments as well) go gerrem my son!!
Best Cheers

Frank
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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:17:55 -0000
Subject: Re: New Landie (Girlfriends)

One doesn't like to boast, but I do so...
when I walked into the restaurant this evening with an 18-year-old nymphette
on my arm we got two different reactions.
Envy from the other middle-aged geezers who had only managed their
30something secretaries
and outrage from every woman in the place....
so in answer to the question, can you have a platonic friendship between a
er late fortiesish man and an 18 years-old-girl the answer is  yes dammit.
LR content, she loves mine and has extracted a promise to teach her to drive
it offroad when she gets her licence.
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
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     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:21:06 -0000
Subject: Re: my incompetence

SJH,
you just did it, that was an ok email you sent
you can't annoy us, we own Land Rovers remember
welcome
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
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     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:08:51 EST
Subject: Re: Occasional missing V8

In a message dated 12/9/98 12:58:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca writes:

<<  When these go the vehicle will fire only
 when the starter is engaged becuase the ballast is switched out when starting
to
 boost the spark. >>
Cool John, 
What about a connector failure (open wire) for the direct 12v to the ignition
at the start position of the system?  What I was thinking of if I didn't
clearly state it.  Gives the exact symptoms described.  Ballast failure gives
the opposite symptoms (starts but won't run) this is won't start but will run.

Zack and it's bent but not muddy, Arbios

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From: SJH <SHARDING@SCHULTE-LAW.COM>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:24:00 -0800
Subject: my incompetence

lorri Paustian wrote in reply to my request for advise on posting to this   
list- I have no experience in particiapting in a list like this. thanks,   
lorri and to others on the list annoyed by my failure to sign previous   
posts, i apologize, i am on a network e mail system here at work and that   
is automatice internally, so i overlooked it.

simon harding
lusting after (and trying to decide between 1970SIIA and 1972 SIII, both   
88 inch hardtops)  

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 21:22:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Occasional missing V8

Yeah that would do it.
And get bent AND muddy!
John

Zaxcoinc@aol.com wrote:

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From: Jarvis64@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 19:52:38 EST
Subject: Re: Kansas City, here I come

Ralph,
Sounds good, sorry I missed you in Evergreen, too, but I guess forest fires
take priority over Rover activities.  Thought I glimpsed a shot of the rear
corner of a series rig on the news coverage of the fires while I was out
there.  I'll be up on e-mail while I'm out there, so just e-mail me before you
head out if it's during the period of my visit and we'll get together.

Bill 

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From: William Leacock <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 20:50:28 -0500
Subject: Distributor

>Yank your distributor out.  Make a temporary light etch mark between
the housing and the gear on the bottom of it.  Using "a suitable drift"
push the pin holding the gear out.  Rotate *that* gear 180 degs and
reinstall the pin.  Mover yer wires, reinstall, and time the baby.

 Whoa, not so fast, the fixing hole is drilled off center ! so it is a bit
more complicated than that !
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:08:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: my incompetence

>can someone please mail me a primer on how to properly compose a note to
>the list
Were a fairly light hearted bunch out here - unless you bring up issues like;
grease vs. oil in the hubs or swivels - or some other hotly debated topic.

>and how to properly reply to another's post without annoying
>list members/receiving my posts back?
Didn't P sombody O already did you?!     ;  )

Anyway - hellos and welcomes - Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 21:23:04 -0500
Subject: Re: NA Source for Gunson's EZ-Bleed?

Try Triple-C in York, PA. Web site is www.triple-c.com. They're a mail
order outfit, and very pleasant to deal with. They also import a number
of LR toys/models and other british car stuff.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 16:29:52
Subject: Re: easy choice for Simon

	If you like plastic that falls apart, pieces blocking the airflow from 
the
front vents, and can't shift a real transmission, then by all means buy the
POS '72 series III.  If you want a real rover, buy the '70 series IIa.  You
can tell I have no bias against the series III.

Aloha Peter

>simon harding
>lusting after (and trying to decide between 1970SIIA and 1972 SIII, both   
>88 inch hardtops)  

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From: "Scheidt, David, NPG" <dscheidt@att.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:27:28 -0500 
Subject: RE: What is MOSS?

>Moss?  Catalog?  Phone number or where is it located?

Moss motors, a supplier of things for little british sports cars.  
http://www.mossmotors.com or 800 235 6954.

David

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From: Winn Bearden <wbearden@americus.net>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 21:47:35 -0500
Subject: Re: 3.5/Series Conversion

Chrysler TorqueFlite 727

Andy Grafton wrote:

> Early RRs had a 3 speed auto 'box; when you drive it the engine
> really revs in each gear before it (chunkily) selects the next...
> Apparently the 3 speed auto is one of the more bulletproof offerings
> in the gearbox department.  Can't remember who made the 'box.  I
> don't think it has a lock-up on 3rd gear so will probably be quite
> inefficient at cruise.  I also don't know how they made the transfer
> case attach to it.

--
Winn Bearden
P.O. Box 464            19?? RR/SIIA/SIII 100" Hybrid (almost finished)
Americus, GA 31709     1967  NADA 109" SW (almost rusted sway)
912-924-6513 (H)         1995 RR County  Classic
912-942-3855 (CELL)

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From: "The Stockdales" <mstockdale@mho.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 20:22:34 -0800
Subject: Burnt No. 4 Intake
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Hello again my friends

Two months ago I pestered you about burning the No. 4 Intake valve for =
the fourth time.  Many replies said cooling problem, many said I was a =
fool for running it down the Hiway at 70+ MPH - 100 miles each day.  =
Well I am finally getting around to fixing the Dinosaur and have to ask =
the same questions again (lost my hard-drive&no backup). 

Scenario: 2.25l Series II engine, 7:1 compression head.  100K+100K+many =
more miles.  This is the fourth (4) time I have burnt No.4 Intake valve =
since 1991.  My collection of burnt valves includes two with pie shaped =
wedges missing, one thats oval, and now one with a flat spot on the =
diameter.  Head gasket this time was a composite one with larger water =
jacket holes up front and smaller ones in the rear.  Smaller holes in =
gasket are bigger dia than water jacket holes (So I don't think this has =
any thing to do with the problem).  Last three valves have been the =
unleaded Stellite variety.  I cannot nail it down but I believe that =
most of the valve problems start around the time I open the heater valve =
for the winter.  Yes it does sound like a cooling problem.  I have been =
using a 50% glycol/water mix in the Rad and always check the level after =
opening the heater valve.  ( no noticeable loss of coolant)  This is =
really getting to be a every two year job and IT BOTHERS ME. 

Also; I have another SII 1959 engine that I am planning to cleanup and =
install.  Does anyone out there have a source for the bearings.  (NOTE: =
SII ENGINES ARE DIFFERENT THAN SIIA and the bearings are usually listed =
as NLA).

Mitch and the Red Dinosaur

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:42:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Burnt No. 4 Intake

>...Yes it does sound like a cooling problem.  I have been
>using a 50% glycol/water mix in the Rad and always check the level after
>opening the heater valve.

Mitch (I'm no expert, but)...  We were just talking about glycol/water mix.
I think the consensus was that 50% might be too much (?) - or maybe it was
the max you should use.
It won't transfer heat as effectively as a lower percentage of glycol - and
if your doing 100 miles a day still at 70+  That's gotta hurt!  (You, as
well as that 2.25!)

G'Luck - Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:44:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: easy choice for Simon

>If you like plastic that falls apart, pieces blocking the airflow from the
>front vents, and can't shift a real transmission, then by all means buy the
>POS '72 series III.  If you want a real rover, buy the '70 series IIa.  You
>can tell I have no bias against the series III.
>Aloha Peter

Peter and Simon - I'll second that!

Peter (#2)

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:18:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Another tidbit o' advice for Simon...

Simon...
Babes dig IIAs more than IIIs;
a III is a total turn off,
whereas the IIA only says loser,
with a lowercase l.

P

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 21:25:50 -0700
Subject: New Landies (Girlfriends)

Frank wrote:

Snip

One doesn't like to boast, but I do so...
when I walked into the restaurant this evening with an 18-year-old
nymphette

End snip

Guess the Heart is doing ok now, Frank? (VERY BIG GRIN!!)

Art
1960 SII "Aardvark"

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From: "Piet Fourie : pah@saao.ac.za" <pah@saao.ac.za>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:11:02 +0200 (SAT)
Subject: Re: reading the spark plugs

Hi

It sounds to me you have a very lean mixture.

Piet
1955 S1
1980 RR

P.A.H. Fourie   ( pah@saao.ac.za )
South African Astronomical Observatory.
P.O. Box 25 Sutherland 6920 South Africa.
Tel 023 5711135. Fax 023 5711413

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:07:01 EST
Subject: Re: Tube or no tube

In a message dated 98-12-09 06:25:20 EST, you write:

<< > I can save enough for a winch or a really good wench.
 Bill, You've got it all wrong.  You want a really BAD wench.
 
 ROn
  >>
Hear hear! I raise my glass to that.

Bill Lawrence

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From: Skhar1927@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:29:31 EST
Subject: babes dig IIAs

peter wrote that babes dig IIAs. well, ive found they dont dig volvo 740gls or
j**ps, though a 65 mustang fastback got me at least  (I think) a look from my
now spouse.  this IIA has sagging rear springs (like me) and alum. diamond
plate swaddling both rear quarter panels which looks bad and could hide a
multitude of sins.  also, i am not at all certain owner wants to sell - it
doesnt start presently, and he has expressed interest in selling, but sob,
linda, like, he never calls me! (sorry for the monica reference).  I will let
the list know which way I go.  also working on a bit of PR on the wife here on
the home front.  yipes.

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:10:03 +0100
Subject: testing landy limbo...

Hi folks,

Just resubscribed after two months leave of absence in Alaska. I have
since sent a couple of mails to the list, but they do not appear to have
arrived together with the rest of the mails. Has the major changed his
ways of working so you don't get your own mails back anymore? Or have my
mails just disappeared?

So if you don't receive this.... drop me a line....

Happy rovering..

Adrian Redmond

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:08:56 EST
Subject: Re: more on speedos

In a message dated 98-12-09 15:00:59 EST, you write:

<< Er, did I miss something?
      
      Just wanted to know what you did and how you did it, re: rebuilding 
      the speedo.
      
 >>
Oh! sorry, a moment of inattention (actually its more like a lifetime). I took
mine to MOMA here in ABQ and they rebuilt it and calibrated it in accordance
with the wheel/tire radius and number of cable turns per mile. They charged
$65 for that and they also fabricated a new cable using my old ends (these are
a little special) for $40. I also had to replace the drive gear in the
transfer case because the square hole in the old one was worn round. I got a
used one from RN for $29. I guess I could have pulled the speedo apart and
messed around with it trying to guess what was wrong but my fingers are not
made for that kind of work. I know my (many) limitations. 

MOMA is run by a lady named Margaret Lucas (related to the POD? Who Knows?)
and they specialize in repairing guages for import cars. They have a good
stock of Smiths and Jaeger parts on hand and instruments don't seem to be a
mystery to them (unlike me). I don't have any interest in their business
except as a satisfied customer.

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM

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From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:59:34 +0100
Subject: Re: New Landie

>>>Well, that changes things...  Ship the 109 to me!
>>Joke, joke, if I ship it to you, you will find it a pleasant joke ;-) !
>I'll find it more pleasant if you include two French female passengers
>(who like LRs, mind you) for the front seat!
>Cheers - Peter

French, why french  ? Don't you have females in your country ?
Cheers, 
Alain

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:38:51 +0200
Subject: Re: New Landie

Alain wrote re: LR passengers...

> French, why french  ? Don't you have females in your country ?

Alain you can't be *totally* ignorant of the worldwide 
(mis?)conception that French women have a certain je ne sais quoi 
that places them above all others in the desire-ability stakes...?

Or is this bait?  D'oh!  I've been hooked.........

All the best,

Andy
andyg@sherco.co.za, '79RR

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:21:15 +0000
Subject: Re: Fw: Non LR woes!

>I put the Explorer into 4 wheel drive high the front of the vehicle =
>groans A LOT, and if reversing, she will stop if the wheels are slightly =
>turned.

If it was a Series motor,I'd say you were getting suspension windup,engaging
4WD on a hard surface.Dont knowthe layout of the Explorer though.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:43:13 +0100
Subject: Re: New Landie

>Alain wrote re: LR passengers...
>> French, why french  ? Don't you have females in your country ?
>Alain you can't be *totally* ignorant of the worldwide
>(mis?)conception that French women have a certain je ne sais quoi
>that places them above all others in the desire-ability stakes...?

Sure I know, I tried them...
Just wanted to see if this conception of French females was French, or
international...

Now I know.
Cheers,
Alain

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:24:05 -0000
Subject: Mike Rooth

Mike,

It has a limited slip differential? I thought this stopped wind up? And
surely just driving 2 or 3 metres forward or backward wouldn't cause such a
severe problem? I was told that the Explorer will shift drive from front to
back when in auto itself. If it went to 50-50 and the front diff was
'broken' wouldn't I just skid around as the back tries the now locked up
front?

if you turn your LR wheel 1 turn of full lock does it sound like the front
is going to drop off? Mine doesn't!! Although I guess to be fair the sound
of the engine and the clanking seats in the back would impair
hearing!!!!!!!!!

Neil

SIII 109" 1978

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:00:13 +1100
Subject: 3.5/Series Conversion

From: "Andy Grafton wrote:
>Early RRs had a 3 speed auto 'box; when you drive it the engine 
>really revs in each gear before it (chunkily) selects the next...  
>Apparently the 3 speed auto is one of the more bulletproof offerings 
>in the gearbox department.  

It is a Chrysler 727 Torqueflite.

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:48:04 +1100
Subject: Speedometer (and GPS)

Marin Faure wrote:
>There is a thing called DGPS (Differential GPS) which uses a signal from a
fixed ground station to correct the skew in the SPS GPS signal.  This
essentially makes the SPS signal as accurate as the PPS signal.  However,
the range of the shore-based Differential stations is quite limited, I
believe no more than 100 miles, and the stations are only along the
coastlines at this point and perhaps around the Great Lakes and in Hawaii.>

There are three sources of the differential signal in Australia.  There is
the short range diiferential signal transmitted on a sideband of a local FM
Rock Station (true - there is a government rock and youth music station
Network throughout Australia called Triple-J (JJJ). Access to this
differential signal is free, providing you have the right diff. receiver.
It is only viable close to shore.

There is another source via a specialised service, again for which one
needs a special receiver.  I can't recall this frequency but we use it on
our submarine cable protection patrol boat (we need to know exactly where
the threats to our comms cables , e.g., trawlers, anchoring ships etc,
are).  It is OK for up to say 100nm from shore.  We have a Racal
transmitting facility in one of my company's submarine cable stations.

The third is on the Australian communications satellites (owned by Cable &
Wirelss Optus Communications).  I know this system is in place because the
Cable & Wireless uses it for their navigation systems aboard their cable
repair ship CS Pacific Guardian (which our company leases - I am the
Coordinator Marine Operations for our company and I deal with this ship and
the patrol boat on a day to day basis).

It is possible that satellite based differential signals are available in
the northern hemisphere as well.

Regards,

Ron

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:17:48 +0100
Subject: Does a Bronco qualify?

Hi all!

Just returned from two months filming in Alaska. For the first week I
hired a Mitsubishi Montero, but at around 600 dollars a week plus
insurance (which is really heavy if you don't have a US license) this
would have become an expensive *hobby* - so I decided to go the whole
hog and buy a truck.

Not too many Landies on the road up there, even fewer for sale at prices
interesting, and no hope of a working heater - and Alaska needs heat!

So I hid my pride and went over to the "other side" and bought a 1984
Ford Bronco with a 5.8l V8 gas-guzzler, automatic gears (funny gears for
us euro's) and plenty of space and comfort. A snip at 2700 dollars,
which is well below the market resale price of 5600 according to the
little yellow bible. What could be wrong with her I asked myself???

Well took the tyres to be checked and discovered that the tires, and
wheels belonged to a ford exploder and NOT a Bronco - wham - there went
another 500 dollars, then an oil check and fluid check, and ready for
the road.

I did have to take a US driving test to save insurance ( I saved over
2500 dollars for 6 months with AAA coverage on a US license). The test
was funny - I seem to have pulled an easy multiple choice test - passed
first time, but failed the road test first time due to not having
practyioced the parallel parking in the new Bronco. (Well, as I said to
the inspector - I have driven for 23 years, the last 16 in a 109, I just
don't try to parallel park anymore - I drive it to somewhere where the
maneuver is easier, then WALK - but that didn't get me any slack. Second
time I ran the road test I passed. (OK, when the laughing has died down,
how many here reckon they could pass the theory and road test first time
today, without reading up?)

In the beginning of November I took the drive from Anchorage to
Fairbanks, a nice 400 miles over the mountains hoping for the photogenic
vistas for my documentary series - no luck, 9 hours of freezing rain,
fog, and blinding snowstorm most of the way through Denali park - no
horizon, couldn't even see the trees at the side of the road, and plenty
of fun taking the hills with a automatic gearbox - I knew there must be
a reason for preferring the manual box - this was it.

But the wagon functioned perfectly for two months, even starting in
minus 30' degrees celcius in Fairbanks having been left in a hotel car
park for three weeks without pre-warming or charging.

OK, it's not a landy, but it did give me many of the joys of four
wheeling, space, freedom, safe driving and handling, and a working
heater and aircon to boot. One door handle snapped, the rear window
(electric) failed a few times, and one loudspeaker went dead - but apart
from all that, no problems and lots of fun.

She's locked up and mothballed until the spring, when I return to
Anchorage for some serious off-roading next year. Maybe she'll acquire a
LR logo before I sell her...In fact, I'd love to bring her home, but,
crazy thing is, that this rig, with its excellent emissions test result,
but with space for 5 would cost a fortune to register in Denmark.

So for the next few weeks it's back to bashing the 88's and the 109 into
shape. maybe tackling another front axle rebuild over Christmas?

Now... back to the workshop to fix those headlights on the 109....

Nice to be back folks.

Season's greetings!

Adrian Redmond

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:03:48 +1100
Subject: Petrol?

Mike Rooth wrote:
>Yeah,well,we taught you proper.Unfortunately we taught you to
>play cricket, too.And *now* look what's happened......:-(

Are you referring to the Aussies thrashing the UK team (again) or the fact
that two of our players took payments from a bookie?  (Note were were
taught to do that by our friends from the Indian sub-continent (dunno if it
was the Pakistanis or the Indians).

We learn and improve.

Ron

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