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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:19:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Petrol?

Whats the problem Dave ? Have you been at the centre of the universe too long to
remember Latin as well as English?
John and Muddy  from Nouvelle Ecosse

"d.h.lowe" wrote:

> sort of aglomeration of foreign tongues.    Uh oh I think there is a flame on
> it`s way from New Scotland

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:26:49 +0000
Subject: Re: Petrol?

>Whats the problem Dave ? Have you been at the centre of the universe too
>long to
>remember Latin as well as English?
As in "Nil Illegitemi Carborundum"?
or.."Cuius testiculos habes,habes cardia et cerebellum"?

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Karl Kurz <kkurz@acad.umm.maine.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:39:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 3.5/Series Conversion

I'm thinking of fitting a 3.5RR powerplant into a seriesvehicle,
it will be accomplished in a bare frame situation so mounts should be
fairly straight forward.  My question is:

The motor I have was from an automatic transmission car and I want to mate
it to a series gearbox.  What flywheel, clutch, cover, adapter do I need ?
And where to find such bits ?

Please post and mail me directly as I will be out of town for a while.

TIA

Karl K. Kurz, N1JZY
POB 352, Machiasport
Maine, USA, 04655
207-255-8802

The right half of the brain controls the left half of the body.
Therefore, only left handed people are in their right mind.

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:11:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Petrol?

Ya got me , I guess I was still wound up about that petrol thread.. Centre of 
the
Universe? Naw, never was ,never will be. Lets cnange that to south of Watford.  
:-)

John Cranfield wrote:

> Whats the problem Dave ? Have you been at the centre of the universe too long 
to
> remember Latin as well as English?
> John and Muddy  from Nouvelle Ecosse

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 09:20:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Petrol?

I'll settle for south of Dover. You know, the place where W**s start.

"d.h.lowe" wrote:

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:26:15 -0000
Subject: Re: VW in Talks with BMW re: Sale of Rover Group

guys, what's NPR ?

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+            
     I !__|  [_]|_\___   
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV 
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Bishop, Alan" <A.Bishop@worc.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:38:06 +0000
Subject: Re: 3.5/Series Conversion

I am also in the same situation having just bought a 3.5 SD1 
automatic for the engine. The plan is too take the engine out by the 
spring to put in the project. So if anyone who is replying to the 
previous email could also reply to the list that would be great.

Still some good deals on the SD1's - 250UKP for a car with 7 months 
tax and MOT. That about 90UKP's worth of tax, all I need to do is 
sell the remains of the car for spares and it could equal a free 
70,000 mile engine!! Not bad, lets just hope the neighbours can 
cope!

TIA
Kindest regards
Alan
If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?

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From: Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com>
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:56:16 -0500
Subject: Message for Scott Wilson

Scott;
Hope the trip is going well.
Your front left wheel cyliner is leaking quite a bit.
Do you have a rebuild kit or replacement?
Would you want to fix it before you leave?

Keith
krm@nj.paradyne.com
OR
lrlump@aol.com

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From: "Peter Monk" <monk@math.udel.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:13:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Speedometer (and GPS)

I think GPS uses doppler shift to calculate velocity.  Hence why it is
possible to get a reasonable velocity and lousy position.  But I have
no idea on the accuracy limit on velocity.

Peter

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:04:55 +0000
Subject: Re: Petrol?

 Lets cnange that to south of Watford.  :-)

*South* of Watford? I thought you fell of the edge at Watford:-)
Mike Rooth

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:53:48 +0200
Subject: Re: 3.5/Series Conversion

> The motor I have was from an automatic transmission car and I want to mate
> it to a series gearbox.  What flywheel, clutch, cover, adapter do I need ?

Kurt I can't help with the parts or suppliers, but in case nobody has 
mentioned this yet...

Fitting a RR3.5 V8 to a series gearbox will result in a serious 
reduction in gearbox life when compared to a standard engine.  If 
you're down to the frame then do the car a favour and buy/fit the 
auto 'box as well.  It's certainly worth a good hard think before 
action in this case.

All the best,

Andy

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 98 06:37:35 -0800
Subject: Re: VW in Talks with BMW re: Sale of Rover Group

>Now go and wash your mouth out and then stand in the corner `till we let you
>out.
;
Huh???
I don't understand?  If Rover went from BMW to VW new cars would still be 
German cars made in factories outside Germany.

A D110 Westfalia would probably be like an updated plusher Dormobile.

;
;>>TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
;
;>> I don't know... A D110 Westfalia might become very popular.

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: "Mark L. Freeman" <baker@iland.net>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:43:29 -0600
Subject: VW buying Rover Group?
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Frank Elson Asked what NPR is.

NPR in the US is National Public Radio a government funded but =
independant broadcast entity. Local radio stations around the US, mostly =
university run stations, subscribe to news programs produced by NPR. The =
piece I heard on VW - BMW was either a Reuters or BBC corespondent.

Best Regards,

Mark Freeman

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From: "Bishop, Alan" <A.Bishop@worc.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:50:40 +0000
Subject: Re: 3.5/Series Conversion

Andy wrote:-

Fitting a RR3.5 V8 to a series gearbox will result in a serious 
reduction in gearbox life. If you're down to the frame then do the 
car a favour and buy/fit the auto 'box as well.

How easy a job is this, my project will be down to the frame as 
well? Is the RR auto box much different to the SD1?  What would an 
auto in a S3 LWB safari be like off road? I am not sure I really 
like autos but then again until I pick up the SD1 on thursday I will 
never of driven one. Is there a cheap (ish) alternative?

Alan
If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?

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From: Bob Frey <frey@pvr.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:51:49 -0800
Subject: Re: VW in Talks with BMW re: Sale of Rover Group

On 12/8/98 6:37 AM TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

>Huh???
>I don't understand?  If Rover went from BMW to VW new cars would still be 
>German cars made in factories outside Germany.
>A D110 Westfalia would probably be like an updated plusher Dormobile.

Saw a VW Eurovan Camper at the San Francisco Auto Show...noticed that the 
interior was very plastic and much tackier than I was used to seeing in 
the Westfalia product. After talking to a knowledgeable salesman 
(oxymoron?) I learned that VW is using Winnebago to build its' US camper 
interiors...A D110 Winnebago?

Bob Frey

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <rgdushin@blackcat.cat.syr.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:58:57 -0500 (EST)

'twas written:
***
:Hi David - when you get a few free minutes can you tell me how you did
the :above - how to execute the 180 rotation with as few snags a possible?
The :PO did the same on mine!  (Sorry I can't halp with your #3!)  Thanks
in :Advance - G'Luck - Peter Presumably you have to rotate the distributor
drive gear, which involves taking the oil filter housing off and dealing
with a nasty little screw. Just close the hood, drink a beer, and forget
all about which way the wires are supposed to be.  Much, much less effort.  
If it ain't broke,
don't try to break it.
***

no,no,no,no,no.

LOTS simpler than it looks, folks.  Don't touch the drive gear
in the block and leave yer friggin' oil stuff in place.

Yank your distributor out.  Make a temporary light etch mark between
the housing and the gear on the bottom of it.  Using "a suitable drift"
push the pin holding the gear out.  Rotate *that* gear 180 degs and
reinstall the pin.  Mover yer wires, reinstall, and time the baby.

Done. Drink beer.

But ya could'a,should'a, would'a completely disassembled and cleaned
up yer distributor while you were at it (watch carefully where all
those advance bits went...).

rd/nige

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:01:22 EST
Subject: Re:

In a message dated 12/8/98 9:58:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rgdushin@blackcat.cat.syr.edu writes:

> Yank your distributor out.  Make a temporary light etch mark between
>  the housing and the gear on the bottom of it.  Using "a suitable drift"
>  push the pin holding the gear out.  Rotate *that* gear 180 degs and
>  reinstall the pin.  Mover yer wires, reinstall, and time the baby.
>  Done. Drink beer.

Gawdamitt!! I wish I had thought of that.  Outstanding idea!!  I think I know
what I'll be doing this evening.

Let see, put a Bass in the frig, then go out to the shop....

N

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:07:10 -0500
Subject: Re: distributor drive swap:

Can this be done? Seems to me (then again there's the faulty memory) that the
shaft is drilled slightly off-center to keep you from doing this.

Russ D's synapses are in better shape than mine on details, but I think I
remember trying to do this and failing..

               aj"Might be out in the shop trying this too..."r

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From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:16:10 +0100
Subject: New Landie

Hi all,
Just phoned for a Series IIA (I think) 109" hardtop 1967 (as me) diesel with
a winch., completly rebuilt. Perfect state professional work.

The better is the price : 3000 $.
I phoned the same guy 6 month ago, he told me his girlfriend didn't want to
sell it, now that the girlfriend is out,..., the landie will be mine...

I'm so happy. The only problem is muy girlfriend, she doesn't want to even
think of buying a new landie...

Please help me, give me the right phrases to convince her.
Thanks all.

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From: "Chris Dillard" <cdillard@aholdusa.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:22:47 -0500
Subject: Re: New Landie ("CORRECT PHRASE")

ALWAYS REMEBER:

"It's easier to ask for FORGIVENESS than for PERMISSION"

It's worked for me so far!!
Cheers,
Christopher Dillard Dba          Ahold USA (BI-LO Inc)
95 Discovery V8i (Rusty II)        cdillard@aholdusa.com
55 Series I    (???)                     Greenville, SC USA
55 Series I (The Green Hornet)
1989 Thoroughbred Racehorse (the other Rusty!!)
SoLaRos #136

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:20:12 -0500
Subject: Re: New Landie

As the wife of a friend of mine remarked, "I don't mind him having his
Land-Rovers. At least I know where he is nights!"

               aj"In the garage welding, of course..."r

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From: Leger Marc-Andre <mleger@wefa.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:36:05 -0500 
Subject: Phrases

No other woman will come near you (full of grease).

You will not be able to run away very fast...

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"Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new."  Albert
Einstein  

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 07:47:12 -0800
Subject: #3 miss

>From: "BROWN DAVID E (DAVE)" <debrown@srp.gov>
>Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:05:52 -0700 
>Subject: IIa missing at idle on #3 cylinder

Hi David,
I would look close at the rocker arms in #3 to see if thet move up and down
as much as the others. You have done about everything else.
I had a cam go flat on a chev V8 years ago and went through the same thing
as you are.
Turns out it was pretty common with chevys.
Also check the valve adjustment three times in a row. If the cam follower
roller gets out of round, the adjustment will vary and will cause a miss
sometimes along with a tap that doesn't seem to follow the rythem of the
valve train. Checking three times in a row will usually show the variation
of the flat spot on the roller.
Do you adjust the valves with the 9's method?
Counting each valve, When you want to adjust the fifth valve, turn until
the fourth is open,(5+4=9) then the valve is on the lowest part of the cam
lobe. 
When you do the sixth one have the third one open. (6+3=9) etc. etc.
If you do find an out of round roller, set it a little looser to get rid of
the miss then it might also pass the smog test.
Adjusting the carb idle mixture quite lean and set the timing to tdc also
helps.
Good luck,
Bob B
  

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From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 16:34:40 +0100
Subject: Re: New Landie ("CORRECT PHRASE")

>ALWAYS REMEBER:
>"It's easier to ask for FORGIVENESS than for PERMISSION"

Very good !!! but I'll have a storm at home if I do it, may be it's better
to talk ? (I'm not sure)

As the wife of a friend of mine remarked, "I don't mind him having his
Land-Rovers. At least I know where he is nights!"

               aj"In the garage welding, of course..."r

she's not as mine...

Alain
Fontainebleau, FRANCE.

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 98 07:59:26 -0800
Subject: Re: New Landie

>Hi all,
>Just phoned for a Series IIA (I think) 109" hardtop 1967 (as me) diesel with
>a winch., completly rebuilt. Perfect state professional work.
;
;>The better is the price : 3000 $.
;>I phoned the same guy 6 month ago, he told me his girlfriend didn't 
want to
;>sell it, now that the girlfriend is out,..., the landie will be mine...

;>I'm so happy. The only problem is muy girlfriend, she doesn't want to 
even
;>think of buying a new landie...

;>Please help me, give me the right phrases to convince her.
;>Thanks all.

If you are dealing with a girl friend just consider your getting the 
Rover to be a compatibility test.  If being a series LR owner is part of 
who you want to be she will ether accept this aspect of your personality 
or not.  If not there are more women in this world then men.  I think it 
is best to be with someone who is compatible.

If you are dealing with a wife you have an established partnership.  If 
she really likes Rovers, no problem.  If she doesn't I suggest that for 
every bit of money you spend on the Rover, she gets an equal ammount to 
spend on herself.  Her money should not be spent on living maintenence or 
things for any children.  

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: Ralph N Bradt <rnbradt@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:06:16 MST
Subject: Re: Kansas City, here I come

Bill,
Been thinking of a trip back to Lawrence, the old home town, sometime this 
spring. No firm
dates yet, but I'll post a note on the list when the time grows near. I missed 
you when you
were out here around Evergreen last summer. I hope to meet you and some of the 
area
Roverists, and perhaps share a few pints at my brother's brewery. Wonder how 
many of
the old backroads I used to drive are still open. Hope we cross paths. 

Ralph Bradt
'70 Series IIa 88

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From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:08:14 +0100
Subject: Re: New Landie

>If not there are more women in this world then men.
Not a possibility...
>If you are dealing with a wife you have an established partnership.  If
>she really likes Rovers, no problem.

Here is the problem.

>  If she doesn't I suggest that for
>every bit of money you spend on the Rover, she gets an equal ammount to
>spend on herself.  Her money should not be spent on living maintenence or
>things for any children.
I remember you told it some time ago.
I think your right, it's better to buy her something (I'm sure she has a lot
of ideas) to make her see that she's as important as a new landie is.

Thanks for your answer.

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 06:40:33
Subject: Re: Brake flex line compatibility.

	I've got a dragging right front brake.  Always been a defective flex 
line
in the past.  Does anyone know if I can pull the line and take it to my
local NAPA store and get a replacement.  In other words are these hoses
compatible with American hoses.  Just placed an order for parts so this is
the only thing I need and single part orders seem to nail you on S&H costs.

	Don't let your rover sit for more than a day.  Took a month to make the
engine swap and all sorts of little things rearing their ugly head.

Aloha Peter

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 12:40:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Petrol?

Only when travelling north!
John and Muddy

Mike Rooth wrote:

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 98 08:45:30 -0800
Subject: Re: New Landie

Alain-Jean you are up late.
;
>I remember you told it some time ago.
>I think your right, it's better to buy her something (I'm sure she has a lot
;>of ideas) to make her see that she's as important as a new landie is.
;
;>Thanks for your answer.

People are not rational and it is easy to become jealous over a partner's 
new expensive toy or pet.  When you are not thinking rationally it is 
easy to make a dreaded "it or me" statment that can never be resolved to 
anyone's satisfaction without building deep grudges.

I believe that balance is very important in a relationship.
Good luck & get some sleep

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:46:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Brake flex line compatibility.

Yes - Raybestos makes a similar line that should do the trick. Take the old one
along and they should be able to match it for you.

               ajr

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 06:50:55
Subject: Re: Pure as the driven antifreeze

	When VW introduced the water cooled vans they had some serious engine
problems, think it was cracking heads.  I asked a vw tech why the heads
were cracking and if they had solved the problem.  He said the problem was
caused by using more than 50% antifreeze mixtures.  Answer sounded bogus at
the time.  However, if over rich antifreeze mixtures do reduce cooling
efficiency, it may be great enough to cause real damage over the long term.
 These head problems were showing up around 50,000 miles, give or take
10,000, or just after the warranty ran out, by the way
	Just something to think about

Aloha Peter

>Are there any known snags with running large concentrations of antifreeze 
>(like 50-100%)?

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:43:26 EST
Subject: Sandy Grice-Chainsaw Bar Oil Question

Sandy,

Was it you who adds chainsaw bar oil to the gearbox to increase oil retention
on the gears?  I can't seem to find the thread about this which played out
about a year ago.

If you're the one, what's your experience and how much do you add?

Nate

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From: "Davidge, Anthony" <antony_davidge@merck.com>
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:47:55 -0500
Subject: Peugeot diesels

Someone was asking about Peugeot diesels - I had a Peugeot 205, from new,
with the 1800cc N/A diesel, in which I covered over 200,000 miles (yes
that's right) it would of done more but was recently stolen for parts.
I had no problem with the engine, except the water pump going at 130,000 -
So I was impressed.  

Sorry - I can't comment how good this lump would be in a LR - but in the 205
60-70mpg was the norm and top speed (on a race track - officer) was over 90
mph. 

Tony
1970 S2a 2.25
1990 90 TD (Something had to replace the Peugeot)   :+) 

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:56:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Chainsaw bar oil:

Funny, with me it's the other way around. I use my waste 90-weight as chainsaw
bar oil...... works fine.

WOrks great as sump oil in the lawn tractor that's overdue for rings,
too.....8*)

                         ajr

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:52:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: New Landie

Ah - Famales and Land Rovers.  Some will be impressed you drive an aluminum
box that is 30+ years old, and you fix it yourself.  Most, I imagine - like
the one I livED with - do not like cars, and in particular cars that need
maintenence and money invested!  Money and time, are expected to be
invested in your partner (though you can't do that all the time.)  Like TA
said - it could be a good compatability test.  You've got to have hobbies
and distractions in your life, apart from your significant other -
otherwise its just - eat sleep work eat sleep work etc...  You could always
suggest camping out in the 109 in the mountains, to get away from it all -
remember 109's have more room in the back  ;  )
If she is positively absoloutly opposed, you've got some thinking to do...
Good luck & Tread Lightly  (before you buy the rover, that is!)  Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 98 08:53:51 -0800
Subject: Re: Brake flex line compatibility.

>Does anyone know if I can pull the line and take it to my
>local NAPA store and get a replacement.

NO

American spec and British spec brake fittings are incompatible.  They 
will however screw into each other giving an appearance of being 
compatible.

British male fittings have a long smooth barrel before the threads.  The 
US spec male connetor has a short smooth barrel before the threads.  

This means that when you screw a male US spec connector into a female 
British spec connector the male connector will screw all the way in  but 
will not properly seat the tubing flair.

If you screw a male British spec connector into a female US spec 
connector the flair will be seated when the male connector only has two 
or three threads engaged.

Rovers North sells new British Spec connectors.  You can buy some & build 
your own tubing sections or have a local hydrolic shop build them for you.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:59:10 -0800 
Subject: Re: Tire question

From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 11:19:16 -0500
Subject: Tire question

Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net> wrote:

>>When LR switched to 15" rims, what size OEM tyre was supplied?  My
interest
>>is tall skinny tires, but what to look for

>An original '73 sales brochure listed the tires as Goodyear 7.10 X 15
"Ultra Grip" on 5.00 by 15" rims.  Oddball size, eh?

I believe this is correct.  I actually still have the original spare tire
mounted on the bonnet of my '73 Series III, and if I remember I'll check it
tonight to confirm the size, brand, and style. The tread design is a mildly
aggressive rain/snow design, not unlike the Michelin tires that came stock
on my '91 Range Rover.  I have only needed the spare twice in the last 25
years, so there was no reason to change it.  I probably shouldn't rely on it
today as I'm sure the rubber has deteriorated.  It is not a tubeless tire;
in fact, I have always run tubes in the road wheels of my Land Rover even
after switching to tubeless tires.  Running tubes pretty much eliminates the
risk of getting a flat when a tire become deformed away from the rim on a
rock, log, heavy sideload, or whatever.

When I switched to taller and wider Norsemans in 1975 or so (mounted on the
original wheels), they were just wide enough to prevent the bonnet locking
tabs from clamping down on the inner part of the spare wheel, so I kept the
original Goodyear spare because it allowed me to properly secure the wheel
to the bonnet.  I ran Norsemans until the late 1980s when I switched to a
very interesting farm utility tire sold by the Les Schwab tire company.  I
forget the manufacturer, but they are the same diameter as the old Norseman
tire but are quite a bit narrower with very aggressive corner blocks.  They
are noisier on pavement, but then who can hear them over the racket raised
by the vehicle itself?

I believe narrow tires provide much better traction in most of the
off-pavement conditions here in the northwest with the exception of sand (on
the beaches) and soft, muddy ground where greater floatation is an
advantage.  But on the generally firm logging and mining roads I travel on
here and in BC with surfaces of dirt, gravel, loose and firm rock, and mud
over a hard base, I think narrow tires offer a distinct advantage over wide
ones.  Plus they marginally improve fuel efficiency on pavement by reducing
rolling resistance.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:07:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Peugeot diesels

>... in the 205 60-70mpg was the norm...

Err... Did you mean to say sixty or seventy miles per gallon!!!!

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <rgdushin@blackcat.cat.syr.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:07:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: distributor drive swap

Al questions the efficiency of (both of our) synaptic transmissions:

*** 
Can this be done? Seems to me (then again there's the faulty memory)
that the shaft is drilled slightly off-center to keep you from doing this.
Russ D's synapses are in better shape than mine on details, but I think I
remember trying to do this and failing..
               aj"Might be out in the shop trying this too..."r
***

Uh, Al, don't forget...*I* lived through the sixties, too.
Uh, and the seventies...and a good part of the eighties.
But I'm OK now and I take lotsa vitamin C.

YES, it can be done.  I've done it.  Nige came to me "180 out"...
could'a been that way from birth, though.  'Tis all it takes
is to move this one little gear.  Hardest part is getting the
pin out (assuming you can cope with timing).

It's the machined bit on the bottom of the gear that's offset -
thus the gear on the bottom of the distributor that can only
mate up one way with the drive gear in the block.  The pin
holding this gear to the distributor is set dead center.

ONLY thing you gain here is that you can set up your wires so
#1 is closest to #1, and in doing so it is possible to route your
wires so that none have to cross any others (which you cannot do
when #1 is furtherst from #1).  It's a good anal retentive 
exercise. 

Now, when the gear is off you can completely disassemble your
distributor, clean it up and relube everything.  Might even be
able to rebush it and take some of that slop out of your timing.
(I didn't do this because I'm a firm believer in divine intervention.)
The thing to be really careful about is making sure you get the
centrifugal advance bits back in correctly...watch very carefully 
as you withdraw the shaft and before it all falls in your lap
to see how it goes together.  Don't come asking me, though, if
you can't figure it out 'cause frankly folks, I ferrget.

After doing this distributor cleaning/relube to Nige (but not 
before) the timing mark was nearly dead steady when viewed
with a strobe, and he purrs like a kitten.

best of luck,
rd/nige

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:11:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Brake flex line compatibility.

Teriann:

He was not talking about a steel line - he was asking about a rubber flex. These
are a common item, and the one that works in this application is a Raybestos "PG
Plus Professional grade"  BH35046. Pep-Boys price was $15.69 plus tax when I
last bought one.

And as far as the difference between Brit and US fittings go, I have
successfully used American LONG brake fittings on a rover. American fittings are
available in two sizes - the short ones that don't seat properly, and long ones
that do. Mr. Churchill is happily running around now (and has been for some
years) with rear brake lines made with American parts and connectors - made in
my workshop.

You are right in that you cannot buy a premade American line to fit this
application - but if one is sourcing new parts and flaring metal lines the parts
are available to make this work.

Pardon me for saying this - but it can be made to work if one is willing to dig
a bit for the bits. All of mine came from my local auto-parts emporium (not the
chain store, a real parts place)Lines, fittings by the box, clamps and all.
However, that is neither here nor there to the problem Peter has.

               ajr

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:01:16 EST
Subject: Re: New Landie

In a message dated 12/8/98 11:57:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
pmk11@cornell.edu writes:

> You've got to have hobbies
>  and distractions in your life, apart from your significant other -
>  otherwise its just - eat sleep work eat sleep work etc.

Yea, now its wrench, eat grease, sleep, tinker before work, work, check the
email list, work alittle more, wrench, eat grease, sleep...

-N

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <rgdushin@blackcat.cat.syr.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:15:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: New Landie

a new owner asks:

***
Please help me, give me the right phrases to convince her.
***

How's about there's roughly 10 billion women in the world
but only a few hundred thousand Land Rovers?

She'll get the picture.

r"and so may you"d/nige

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:42:29 -0800 
Subject: Re: Speedometer (and GPS)

From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:20:20 -1000
Subject: Re: Speedometer (and GPS)

>I was told that the 'error' built into the civilian models was +- 20 feet
when compared to our issue ones (have not tried it).

There are three signals transmitted from the Global Positioning Satellites:
the Standard Positioning Service (SPS), the Precision Positioning Service
(PPS), and a third one nobody ever seems to talk about.  SPS is available to
everyone and is the one that has the random "skewing" in it at the request
of the DOD.  The accuracy of SPS is guaranteed to be within 100 meters (328
feet).  It is set up so that 95 percent of all the fixes that can be
obtained at the same location will fall within that 100 meter accuracy
level.  In actual practice, the users of an SPS GPS receiver can routinely
obtain fixes that are accurate to within 80 to 97 feet (25 to 30 meters) and
in some extreme cases to within less than 33 feet (10 meters).  Of course,
there's no way of knowing just how accurate the signals being received by
your unit is at any given moment,  and because these incidents of high
accuracy are extremely short-lived, civilians using a GPS receiver should
never assume a GPS fix is accurate to within less than 100 meters (328
feet).

The PPS signal is readable only by the equipment used by the US military and
its allied forces, plus a very limited number of non-military users (CIA,
FBI, etc.).  Its accuracy is always within 58.4 feet (17.8 meters).

So there you have it.  The GPS signals used by you and me are not as
accurate as some people might believe, although for most uses they're just
fine.  Interestingly enough, commercial fishermen use GPS only as a backup
to the much older Loran-C system.  Loran-C, which uses chains of
low-frequency, land-based transmitters, is not nearly as reliable or
consistent as GPS in terms of its signal transmissions, but it is dead-on
accurate.  Put a crab pot in the water and enter its location on a Loran-C
receiver, and it will guide you right back to that pot no matter how dense
the fog.  You'll run right over the damn buoy.  I've experienced this time
and time again.  GPS won't do that; it will get you within 300 feet of the
pot, but in a fog 300 feet or even 50 feet might as well be 20 miles.

There is a thing called DGPS (Differential GPS) which uses a signal from a
fixed ground station to correct the skew in the SPS GPS signal.  This
essentially makes the SPS signal as accurate as the PPS signal.  However,
the range of the shore-based Differential stations is quite limited, I
believe no more than 100 miles, and the stations are only along the
coastlines at this point and perhaps around the Great Lakes and in Hawaii.

After first saying Loran-C would be shut down by the year 2000, the US has
announced it will support the US-based Loran-C stations through the year
2015.  It no longer supports any Loran-C stations outside the US, although
the operation and maintenance of most of these stations has been taken over
by the governments of the countries in which they are located. There is a
lot of lobbying going on by commercial users (shipping, trucking, fishing,
etc.) to have the DOD remove their skewing requirement from the SPS signal.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:31:05 +0100
Subject: Re: New Landie

>Ah - Famales and Land Rovers.  Some will be impressed you drive an aluminum
>box that is 30+ years old, and you fix it yourself.
They did like for example being 3 in the front seat, It's very funny
changing gears when you have a pleasant girl in the middle seat ;-)

>Most, I imagine - like
>the one I livED with - do not like cars, and in particular cars that need
>maintenence and money invested!  Money and time, are expected to be
>invested in your partner (though you can't do that all the time.)  Like TA
>said - it could be a good compatability test.

Test is done, I yet have a 88...

>You've got to have hobbies
>and distractions in your life, apart from your significant other -
>otherwise its just - eat sleep work eat sleep work etc...  You could always
>suggest camping out in the 109 in the mountains, to get away from it all -
>remember 109's have more room in the back  ;  )

Good shot, I'll give a look at the heater as it is cold here.

>If she is positively absoloutly opposed, you've got some thinking to do...
I'm alone tonight, I'll at least dream of it.
>Good luck & Tread Lightly  (before you buy the rover, that is!)  Peter

>Yea, now its wrench, eat grease, sleep, tinker before work, work, check the
>email list, work alittle more, wrench, eat grease, sleep...

I remember first time I subscribed to this list (3 years ago), the welcome
message was about 'working under the bonnet', sure I did. When I bought my
first landie, I was just able to change the oil on my car, then after
changing the water-pump (down a saturday night going to a night-club in the
middle of nowhere : Burgundy), the springs, the head gasket, the right door,
a hose (in the parking of a supermarket), and I forgot the other parts... I
could say something you're all right when you say : you buy, you work...

Thanks all, 'work' day is finished (6:30 PM here). See ya tomorrow.
Alain

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 98 12:35:06 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: New Landie 

TeA wrote:

> If being a series LR owner is part of who you want to be she will 
>ether accept this aspect of your personality or not.  If not there are 
>more women in this world then men.  I think it is best to be with 
>someone who is compatible.

Look out mate, sounds like she's comin on to you...

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From: Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:19:00 -0800 
Subject: more on speedos

The recently rebuilt speedo on my SIII is dead steady and dead accurate as
verified by timing between mile markers on the interstate. Thes instruments
use the same technology as all other vehicles of their era and there is no
reason they can't be calibrated for a quite acceptable level of accuracy.

     *ahem* Details please.....  
     
     Thanks, Clinton

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From: Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:40:00 -0800 
Subject: More on Peugeot diesels

Someone was asking about Peugeot diesels - I had a Peugeot 205, from new,
with the 1800cc N/A diesel, in which I covered over 200,000 miles (yes
that's right) it would of done more but was recently stolen for parts.
I had no problem with the engine, except the water pump going at 130,000 -
So I was impressed.  

     This sounds pretty good to me!

Sorry - I can't comment how good this lump would be in a LR - but in the 
205 60-70mpg was the norm and top speed (on a race track - officer) was 
over 90 mph. 

     The one I am thinking about is the 2.3L XD2, which is designed to tow 
     around a sizeable lump of PG station wagon. I think it is also used as 
     a slogger in French trucks.  I still cannot find anything bad about 
     this conversion....  THere is a guy in New Jersey who has some of 
     these as long blocks still in factory crates for 1000 US each.  
     Considering from the sonds of it that this engine is the one LR should 
     have used in the first place (my, it is getting toasty...) that is 
     *very* cheap.
     
     Clinton

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From: Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:20:00 -0800 
Subject: and yet more on speedos...

I've noticed that when I move things about under the hood and the spedo
cable gets accidentially moved, it clacks, and the speed fluctuates.  The
cable has been too bent.

Should this cable be oiled?

     For 20 bucks, why not just buy a new one and get it over with....
     
     clinton

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From: Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:18:00 -0800 
Subject: Speedos

 Vorizo's speedo acts more like a metronome than anything else and no 
amount
 of blowing dust out of it, greasing the cable, or tightening the big nut 
has
 made the slightest difference.

     A friend of mine had teh same problem.  After tightening the BFN etc. 
     he took the dash panel off, unscrewed the end of the speedo cable, 
     took a hard look at it, then went down to the NAPA store and bought a 
     tiny 5 cent o ring to fit over the litle square drive piece.  Then he 
     put it all back together and now it is rock steady...
     
Clinton "no, it isn't bodging, it is Improvisational Engineering!" Coates

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From: Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:35:00 -0800 
Subject: relationships

And so the discussion goes....

>  If she doesn't I suggest that for
>every bit of money you spend on the Rover, she gets an equal ammount to
>spend on herself.  Her money should not be spent on living maintenence or
>things for any children.
I remember you told it some time ago.
I think your right, it's better to buy her something (I'm sure she has a 
lot of ideas) to make her see that she's as important as a new landie is.

     Mine wants a nice 1950s navy blue Jaguar Saloon....  I am trying to 
     convince her that a volvo would be a better vehicle for now though!  
     Considering how much I spend on Emerson, we could probably 'afford' 
     that jaguar though!
     
     Clinton

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <rgdushin@blackcat.cat.syr.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:21:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: New Landie

This guy is clearly not gettin' it...:

***
If she doesn't I suggest that for
every bit of money you spend on the Rover, she gets an equal ammount to
spend on herself.  Her money should not be spent on living maintenence or
things for any children. 

I remember you told it some time ago. I think
your right, it's better to buy her something (I'm sure she has a lot
of ideas) to make her see that she's as important as a new landie is.
***

TeA is a woman, for Christ's sake, don't listen to her advice on
this!  She's out to protect her own kind!!!

Buy her some PARTS or maybe a new OVERDRIVE.  Convince her that this
is what she needs most now.  "Gee Honey, look - I bought you a new
set of points, and a condenser, and some niiice new spark plugs..."
(Practice this line if you have to...)

OK, look...I may not be one to talk.  Just recently got married after
living quite happily in sin for a loooooooong time.  BUT, when it came
time to talk dollars and sense I makde the following proposition:

Nigel gets a spending account of $2K per year, NOT including "big
ticket items" for which I can plead as special favors.  My, uh,
WIFE gets a spending account (for clothing and such) of HALF that.

and she bought it!  Whatta woman...

If you must break down and "reciprocate" at least buy her some lengerie...

rd/nige

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From: "David Hope" <davidjhope@email.msn.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:37:56 -0600
Subject: Dwell angle - points gap

 I successfully installed the new distributor (thanks to the list members
who gave good advice).  I have timed the ignition, set the points gap and
checked the dwell angle.

The distributor is a Ducillier, and the recommended dwell angle is 57
degrees.  How close is close enough?  It currently reads about 60 degrees.
I assume that this is close enough.

By the way the distributor swap has significantly improved the vehicle.  The
engine is much quieter at full speed.  The old tappet sounding noise when
the engine is under full load has gone; probably becaaue the old vacuum
advance was broken.

David Hope
64llA

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:44:23
Subject: Re: Speedometer (and GPS)

Marin:	

	Thanks for the straight skinny on GPS.  No reason you shouldn't believe
your mileage read out for a gps if it involves more than a mile, then.

Aloha Peter

The accuracy of SPS is guaranteed to be within 100 meters (328
>feet).  It is set up so that 95 percent of all the fixes that can be
>obtained at the same location will fall within that 100 meter accuracy
>level.  In actual practice, the users of an SPS GPS receiver can routinely
>obtain fixes that are accurate to within 80 to 97 feet (25 to 30 meters) and
>in some extreme cases to within less than 33 feet (10
meters)__________________
>C. Marin Faure

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 13:54:45 -0500
Subject: Re: New Landie what a WUSS !!

Alain-Jean PARES wrote:
> I'm so happy. The only problem is muy girlfriend, she doesn't want to even
> think of buying a new landie...
> Please help me, give me the right phrases to convince her.
> Thanks all.

>I don't beleive this B/s tell me what I can do to convince her..blah blah boo 
hoo hoo  
> You my friend are what we in New York would call a Wuss...
why should YOU have to convince a girlfriend of anything...
if you want it..GET IT
new girlfriends are easy to come by..
you should know better
Rgds
Steve Bradke 68 series lla

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:57:29 -0500
Subject: Re: New Landie what a WUSS !!

Y'know, Steve, it's at times like this I can tell you used to be a New York
cop.......8*)

                    aj"Yes, officer....."r

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From: Leger Marc-Andre <mleger@wefa.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:03:12 -0500 
Subject: RE: New Landie what a WUSS !!

>>new girlfriends are easy to come by..

Where is this exactly ? I need to move !!!

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 19:00:03 +0000
Subject: Subscribe  LRO

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 98 11:16:59 -0800
Subject: Re: New Landie

WHy Russell G. Dushin I am SHOCKED at what you say!!!  

And here I thought you were such a nice boy.

>Buy her some PARTS or maybe a new OVERDRIVE.  Convince her that this
>is what she needs most now.  "Gee Honey, look - I bought you a new
;>set of points, and a condenser, and some niiice new spark plugs..."
;>(Practice this line if you have to...)

That will work just fine if the parts fit HER car.

;>Nigel gets a spending account of $2K per year, NOT including "big
;>ticket items" for which I can plead as special favors.  My, uh,
;>WIFE gets a spending account (for clothing and such) of HALF that.

SO Russ does this mean that your clothing comes out of Nigel's budget 
too??

;>and she bought it!  Whatta woman...

What a pushover

;>If you must break down and "reciprocate" at least buy her some 
lengerie...

Or maybe an E-Type

I used to think that he was such a nice boy.
;^)

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

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beauty wherever you go.

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:21:09 EST
Subject: Re: Peugeot diesels

My dad has a Peugeot 505 Turbo Diesel, and after a good 200,000 miles, he
broke a ring on one piston - that piston was replaced, the bore was clean, and
so the car still runs fine.

only other problem he's had in that many miles, was the injector pump starting
to leak, and a bearing in the turbo. Bad parts replaced, and the car is happy.

Only real problem seems to be finding parts in the USA that are not expensive.

Charles

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From: Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:25:00 -0800 
Subject: Dwell angle - points gap

I successfully installed the new distributor (thanks to the list members
who gave good advice).  ..............The old tappet sounding noise when 
ine is under full load has gone; probably becaaue the old vacuum
advance was broken.

     You might want to check your valves, especially the exhausts.  As 
     well, do a wet and dry compression test.  I had a bum vacuum advance 
     in my stupider years and spent 2 years tracking down a wonky idle.  By 
     the time I found out what it was, there was a godawful tapping sound 
     coming from the engine whenever it was under any kind of load.  Once I 
     stripped the head off, the exhaust valves were absolutely receded into 
     the hardened(!) exhaust seats (I shoulda clued in when I had 
     decreaseing valve clearances every 3000 miles).  A new vacuum advance 
     and a head rebuild and all is quiet on the northern front.   More 
     power too.  The upside to the whole problem was that I babied the 
     truck, never under load to keep the tappping to a minimum and got 
     *great* mileage....  <g>.  AJR should remember my entire angst ridden 
     saga.
     
     Clinton

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:36:05 EST
Subject: Re: New Landie

In a message dated 12/8/98 11:17:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,
twakeman@cruzers.com writes:

<< WHy Russell G. Dushin I am SHOCKED at what you say!!!   >>
TerriAnn,
A Frenchman (insert stereotype here) has sent halfway around the world to a
specialty group dedicated to a Fifty year old aluminium box with wheels,
additionally dedicated to the iconoclastic hairshirt drivers of these
technologically challenged vehicles and you are surprised that some opinions
are less PC than might be expressed in the hallowed halls of  UC Berkely ?
Uh yeah, me too....really.

kinda like asking Dilbert social advice. 8-)

Zack Arbios
My wife already sez we can't ever sell the 88"

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:30:39 EST
Subject: Re: Petrol?

I read in the Times at the weekend that currently we in the UK pay 25pounds
tax on every 30pounds of petrol.

Mike Rogers 
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:30:41 EST
Subject: Vehicle Tax and other costs-leading on from Petrol price

Whilst we have so much interest in fuel prices what about other un-avoidable
taxes on Land Rovers in your part of the world.

We in the UK pay 150 pounds per year in "road fund licence" unless the vehicle
is pre 1973 (I think) when it is free. In order to get this little disk to
display in the windscreen we have to produce a curent Ministry of Transport
(MOT) certificate which costs 28 pounds (providing nothing needs fixing) and a
certificate of insurance. My insurance costs me 85 pounds this year for only
third party liability (younger or careless drivers can pay over 1000 Pounds
for insurance).

Mike Rogers 
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:39:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: New Landie

Hi Alain...

>They did like for example being 3 in the front seat, It's very funny
>changing gears when you have a pleasant girl in the middle seat ;-)
Actually now that you mention it - I have had several in the front seat  ;   )
Shifting - Yes, that is entertaining!!

>Test is done, I yet have a 88...
Oh, wait you have an 88 - and now you want to buy another?!  I must have
missed that.
Well, that changes things...  Ship the 109 to me!

>>remember 109's have more room in the back  ;  )
>Good shot, I'll give a look at the heater as it is cold here.
No, no, no.  You want it cold back there.  Then you'll have to crawn in the
same sleepsack!

>>Yea, now its wrench, eat grease, sleep, tinker before work, work, check the
>>email list, work alittle more, wrench, eat grease, sleep...
You've left out the required pint o' 90wt consumed when topping up those
gawd damn oil locations under there!!  Count 'em there are seven, if you've
got an OD!

Cheers - Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: SJH <SHARDING@SCHULTE-LAW.COM>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 12:52:00 -0800

sightings:PDX, OR USA just back from lunch12998 and saw beutiful green   
late series IIA 88 inch softtop parked on broadway, nice shape, had o/d   
and owner uses the club security device.  anyone here own it?  

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From: "Richard Clarke"<Richard.Clarke@nre.vic.gov.au>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:11:26 +1000
Subject: Re: stainless fasteners etc

I've been following with interest the discussion with respect to metalic
corosion etc and that the best thing to have is metals close on the
galvanic chart, and also some discussion about sacrificial anodes

Could the old zinc coating on cappings on series landys have acted as a
sacrificail anode thus reducing the tendency for aluminium corrosion which
seems to be occurring on some of the newer stuff?

Advice from the experts please

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:47:03 EST
Subject: Re: New Landie

That`s an easy one:   " I`m buying it.......or your OUT."
RGDS, Rick

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:13:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Speedometer (and GPS)

On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Faure, Marin wrote:

:There are three signals transmitted from the Global Positioning Satellites:
:the Standard Positioning Service (SPS), the Precision Positioning Service
:(PPS), and a third one nobody ever seems to talk about.  SPS is available to
:everyone and is the one that has the random "skewing" in it at the request
:of the DOD.  The accuracy of SPS is guaranteed to be within 100 meters (328
:feet).  It is set up so that 95 percent of all the fixes that can be
:obtained at the same location will fall within that 100 meter accuracy
:level.  In actual practice, the users of an SPS GPS receiver can routinely
:obtain fixes that are accurate to within 80 to 97 feet (25 to 30 meters) and
:in some extreme cases to within less than 33 feet (10 meters).  Of course,

The error in the civilian GPS has three factors.  The first is satellite
geometry;  this is usually only an issue if you are only tracking a couple
of satellites.  The second is fundimental accuracy of the system;  this is
a function of the clock skew in the satellites and frequency used, the
limit here is something like 20m.  The third is what is called selective
availablity, or SA.  SA is acheived by essentially having the satellites
lie about what time they think it is (you can still set your watch, or
telephone switch to it). It is SA that gives the 100 meter accuracy claim.  
It is selective because the amount error introduces can be varied, from
zero to so much that the system is useless.  It is apparently possible to
have different errors in different parts of the planet; I don't know
details.  Supposedly SA was turned off during the gulf war, because the US
lacked suffiecnet military-grade units.

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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:30:21 EST
Subject: Re: New Landie what a WUSS !!

In a message dated 98-12-08 14:01:41 EST, you write:

<< >>new girlfriends are easy to come by..
 Where is this exactly ? I need to move !!! >>
 
    Once you get married, it seems like there are ladies everywhere who want
to be your girlfriend.

Enzo (or maybe it's because I've gotten so damn handsome in my later years)

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:43:45 -0800 
Subject: Girlfriends (No LR)

Enzo writes:
	    Once you get married, it seems like there are ladies everywhere
who want
	to be your girlfriend.

I've noticed a similar effect:  Walk into a restaurant alone and be totally
ignored, walk in with a woman and be checked out  something fierce by most
of the women there.

Now that I'm single again, I have to get used to being ignored again...
:-(

Paul in Victoria.

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From: andy Smith <andy@bobstar.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:07:56 +0000
Subject: Re: Chainsaw bar oil:

In message <bulk.11636.19981208085654@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Alan_Richer@
motorcity2.lotus.com writes
>Funny, with me it's the other way around. I use my waste 90-weight as chainsaw
>bar oil...... works fine.
>WOrks great as sump oil in the lawn tractor that's overdue for rings,
>too.....8*)

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>too.....8*)
>                         ajr
You animal 8-)

-- 
andy Smith
chainsaw,mower and tool repairer/
Tamworth Staffs

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 19:08:05 -0400
Subject: Re: More on Peugeot diesels

Clinton Coates wrote:

> Someone was asking about Peugeot diesels - I had a Peugeot 205, from new,
> with the 1800cc N/A diesel, in which I covered over 200,000 miles (yes
> that's right) it would of done more but was recently stolen for parts.
> I had no problem with the engine, except the water pump going at 130,000 -
> So I was impressed.
>      This sounds pretty good to me!
> Sorry - I can't comment how good this lump would be in a LR - but in the
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>      *very* cheap.
>      Clinton

And just think you'll be able to get parts at your Jeep dealer They used that
engine in  84 to 87 Cherokees.
John and Muddy

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 19:25:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Vehicle Tax and other costs-leading on from Petrol price

Non Fuel taxes  etc on Muddy.
The license plate that says MUDDY costs $ 90 a year ( if it had a generic plate 
it
would be $ 120 for 2 years.
Safety inspection annually  $ 14.95
insurance with liability of $ 2million, fire ,theft, glass and uninsured 
motorist.
$ 175.
These are Canadian dollars. So the total is errr... $269.95 or at todays 
exchange
rate about  100 Quid.  I'm not complaining !!
 John and Muddy

MRogers315@aol.com wrote:

> Whilst we have so much interest in fuel prices what about other un-avoidable
> taxes on Land Rovers in your part of the world.
> We in the UK pay 150 pounds per year in "road fund licence" unless the vehicle
> is pre 1973 (I think) when it is free. In order to get this little disk to
> display in the windscreen we have to produce a curent Ministry of Transport
> (MOT) certificate which costs 28 pounds (providing nothing needs fixing) and a
> certificate of insurance. My insurance costs me 85 pounds this year for only
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> for insurance).
> Mike Rogers

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:19:39 -0000
Subject: Re: Darien Gap

Not only have I got the video and the book, I've also got a Blashford-Snell
book with his 2cents worth...
and I've driven one of the Darien Gap Rangies, but I never could find out
what happened to the 'saviour' Land Rover...

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:30:59 -0000
Subject: Re: blown bead

tubeless tyres are not made as "clean" on the inside, rough mouldings - even
pieces of casing wire in some instances - make a right mess of a tube in
quick form.
If you must do it, then choose a larger size tube than the tyre (same wheel
size obviously!!) because to get to the right pressure the thicker rubber
will be inflated to a lesser tolerance - what is done in the UK anyhow..
I prefer to run tubeless without tubes, for the reasons given by Bill and
others...and the first point I made above

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:48:59 -0000
Subject: Re: VW buying Rover Group?

thanks Mark.
I don't think it came from Auntie Beeb (UK joke) or I somehow missed it, and
I'm on Reuters at work...
I'd really like to find the source.......

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:54:19 -0000
Subject: Re: New Landie

get a new girlfriend?

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:06:43 -0000
Subject: Re: More on Peugeot diesels

Clinton,
Steve Parker in the UK has done the conversion commercially for a few years
and I nearly had it but I got my Iveco instead.
It is a good engine - the difference for me was mine was cheaper.

Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:11:22 -0800
Subject: Re: The Series Shed

Joseph Broach wrote:

> I'd love to hear your comments

How about:  update your clock to 1998 from 1995... your messages are very old
:)

Jeremy

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:17:29 -0600
Subject: Master Cylinder Rebuild ?'s - Bench Bleed/Reservoir.

Just did my first master cylinder rebuild.  Have a few questions.

How do you bench bleed the Master cylinder?  I assume you do not just hook
it up to the reservoir while in a vise and work the pedal.  This would not
seem to be any better than a bleed in vivo.  Most be some positioning to do
to help rid all the air.

What kind of restoration/testing should be done on the reservoir?

cwolfe

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:42:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Vehicle Tax and other costs-leading on from Petrol price

Is your insurance through a "historic" agency or the usual car types. The best 
I can
get for my fleet is $480 Can. each.

John Cranfield wrote:

> Non Fuel taxes  etc on Muddy.
> The license plate that says MUDDY costs $ 90 a year ( if it had a generic 
plate it
> would be $ 120 for 2 years.
> Safety inspection annually  $ 14.95
> insurance with liability of $ 2million, fire ,theft, glass and uninsured 
motorist.
> $ 175.
> These are Canadian dollars. So the total is errr... $269.95 or at todays 
exchange
> rate about  100 Quid.  I'm not complaining !!

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From: Joseph Broach <jbroach@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:38:20 -0700
Subject: Re: Darien Gap

<<Not only have I got the video and the book, I've also got a Blashford-Snell
book with his 2cents worth...
and I've driven one of the Darien Gap Rangies, but I never could find out
what happened to the 'saviour' Land Rover...>>

I seem to recall reading in "The Unbeatable 4x4" that the IIa was scrpped
after they finished the Gap section...pity.

-joseph and sidney
missoula, mt

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:56:35 -0500
Subject: Re: 3.5/Series Conversion

You could use the Borg Warner 65 out of your SDI  like I did and use the Ian
Ashcroft transfer box that retains the low  ratio while increasing the high
ratio and so avoiding the necessity of changing your diffs.Ian also has a
modified auto block for the tranny that "holds" in second gear.Best of both
worlds.Use a Jaguar.cable operated gear shift lever They use the B.W 66
which is the same for all practical purposes.The biggest problem for left
hand drive is the location of the steering box, but this can easily be
overcome.E-mail me off list for more details or contact Ian.

> Fitting a RR3.5 V8 to a series gearbox will result in a serious
> reduction in gearbox life. If you're down to the frame then do the
> car a favour and buy/fit the auto 'box as well.
> How easy a job is this, my project will be down to the frame as
> well? Is the RR auto box much different to the SD1?  What would an
> auto in a S3 LWB safari be like off road? I am not sure I really

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> like autos but then again until I pick up the SD1 on thursday I will
> never of driven one. Is there a cheap (ish) alternative?

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From: "Hank Rutherford" <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 20:55:25 -0500
Subject: IIa missing at idle on #3 cylinder

Dear Brown David E (Dave),
   It may be a long shot, but I had the exact same problem, #3 cylinder
misfiring at idle. The problem would gradually go away with rpm, a sure sign
of a vacuum leak. After a compression check, ignition work, inlet manifold
change, etc., I found that some bugger had drilled a heat shield bolt hole
thru into the inlet runner of #3 & 4. Since there was no heat shield
installed, the result was a direct inlet leak directly across from #3 port.
#4 was affected also but to a lesser extent. Have a look, the holes should
be blind.

                                                               H. Rutherford

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From: Lawrence Lee <lawrencelee_tc@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:25:52 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Testing

I am receiving mail from the major, but why is my postings not
distributed? I do not have any returned mail though
 
 Cheers
==
Lawrence Lee
Blk 22, Sin Ming Road, # 11-216
Singapore 570022
Tel: (65) 456 7815   Mobile: 9 684 3678

Land Rover SerIII 109, 2.6l   "Kerbau"
A Malay name for Water Buffalo. One that PREFERS to stay in mud.

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From: Jarvis64@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:04:32 EST
Subject: squishy pedals

Howdy folks,
Since rebuilding brake master cylinder a few weeks back, I've had a kinda-
somewhat squishy pedal.  The strange thing is that it won't "pump up" and
become nice and firm like a squishy pedal normally will.  If you press it down
a second time, it immediately falls right to where it was when you let it up,
instead of giving you increased pumping ability.

Have I installed a seal somewhere wrong, or is this a symptom of air in the
master cylinder (which I bench-bled, but then probably un-bled in the process
of cursing and spilling fluid all over everything while re-installing the
pedal tower)?  Pretty sure lines are free of air--have bled extensively and
even if there were air there, it seems like I oughtta be able to pump things
up.

Thanks,
Bill Rice
64 SIIA 109 Mrs. Merdle
Columbus, GA

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:36:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: squishy pedals

Bill -
>Have I installed a seal somewhere wrong...
I had funky things going on in my master cylinder after I rebuilt it.  I
originally just took the whole thing from the mountings and reassembled the
cylinder under the hood - anyway, it wasn't right, I think I creased a seal
or something when I was putting it back together.  It was squishy, but the
wierd thing was that with the pushrod adjusted properly, the pedal had no
resistance - misadjust it and it was back to being squishy.  I re-re-built
it - removing the whole thing in its mounting, after pumping fluid through
it when it was on my bench - now it's fine.  Other thing you might try is
to re-adjust your snain cams.

>Pretty sure lines are free of air--have bled extensively and
>even if there were air there, it seems like I oughtta be able to pump things
>up.
I did a second rebuild on a leaking rear wheel cyl.  I bled and bled and
bled - no air coming out, and still no pedal resistance - turns out I never
adjusted the brakes after they were apart!

G'Luck - P

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: "Wise Owl Innovation Incorporated" <wiseowl@direct.ca>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:30:17 -0800
Subject: Re: Dwell angle - points gap

Pleased that you got it sorted out David. My experience with Ducilliers is
that they improve performance more than the later Lucas do. I think this
has to do with the rate at which ignition advance is applied by the
centrifugal device. Ray.

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> From: David Hope <davidjhope@email.msn.com>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Dwell angle - points gap
> Date: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 10:37 AM
>  I successfully installed the new distributor (thanks to the list members
> who gave good advice).  I have timed the ignition, set the points gap and
> checked the dwell angle.
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> The distributor is a Ducillier, and the recommended dwell angle is 57
> degrees.  How close is close enough?  It currently reads about 60
degrees.
> I assume that this is close enough.
> By the way the distributor swap has significantly improved the vehicle. 
> Subject: Dwell angle - points gap
The

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From: "Steve Rochna" <mns@oasisol.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:18:28 -0800
Subject: Heater fans

All:

In the past few days I've had the experience of the local temperature
diving below freezing and my SIII heater fan giving up the ghost.  Not
wanting to wait for a new one to   arrive from who knows where or wanting
to spend a large amount of money on the whole blower assembly when just the
motor was inop, I went to the local parts stores to see what they had. 
There were many motors which would bolt right to the blower but the shaft
sizes would not fit the squirrel cage, the squirrel cages they had to fit
their motors would not fit into the housing.

Solution: Buy a motor with a big shaft which fits the blower, add 12v. and
a file (to turn down shaft diameter).  The thing was putting out plenty of
air within the hour for a fraction of the cost and time required to put a
new blower in.

Steve

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:57:43 EST
Subject: Re: New Landie

In a message dated 98-12-08 10:15:23 EST, you write:

 I'm so happy. The only problem is muy girlfriend, she doesn't want to even
 think of buying a new landie...
 
 Please help me, give me the right phrases to convince her.
 Thanks all.
  >>

Sounds like what you need is his old girlfriends phone number.

Bill Lawrence

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From: "Wise Owl Innovation Incorporated" <wiseowl@direct.ca>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:27:13 -0800
Subject: Re: IIa missing at idle on #3 cylinder

This is a bit of a mystery Dave. A fault in the head would show up in the
compression test. You might borrow a dial indicatior with a magnetic base
and check the travel on the valves. Any variation in valve stroke would
indicate a worn cam although this is most unusual.

I don't think a valve spring tension would effect performance at low speed.

Are you sure that you do not have an inlet manifold air leak? This can be
caused by.a cracked phenolic block under the carb, a unblocked heat shield
mounting hole or even a broken distributor diaphram. You might also check
that the adjusting screws on the valves are not touching the rocker cover.
This sometimes happens when going to the higher compression head but I
think you would hear it and it would show up on the compression test. I'm
interested to hear others ideas. Ray.

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> From: BROWN DAVID E (DAVE) <debrown@srp.gov>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: IIa missing at idle on #3 cylinder
> Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 4:05 PM
> Hello Ray, I recently bought a rebuilt cyl head from you to replace my
> cracked one for a '71 IIa petrol. It never ran "right" since I bought it,
> because of the cracked head, so I can't tell if it had this problem

before,
> but it has a miss at idle, and won't pass the emissions test. It passes
the
> cruise part, but the idle Hc (I think) is around 1200 ppm and should be
less
> than 500.
> I have replaced plugs, wires, cap, rotor, points, condenser, and cylinder
> head. Compression is balanced across all cylinders at around 125 psi at
> Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 4:05 PM
1200
> foot elevation. Valve adjustment has been checked and rechecked. I have
even
> swapped the plugs and wires around and always have a problem with #3
> cylinder. The previous owner had installed the distributor 180 degrees
off
> (and rotated the wires to compensate), so I even went through all the
> trouble of changing that around thinking that if the problem moved to the
#2
> cylinder it would be a bad distributor. (Man! What a pain THAT was!) No
> luck, it's still #3. Pulling one wire off at a time makes a noticeable
> difference on all cylinders EXCEPT #3 which makes only a very small
> difference. I am getting spark to all cylinders - can see it jump when I
> reconnect the wire. I've checked and re-checked for vacuum leaks and a
> vacuum gauge reads steady at idle. 
> I have not yet checked the valve lift to see if I have a flat cam, but

will
> do this next using a dial indicator. What else is there????? Could it be
a
> weak or broken valve spring? Can the springs be removed and shimmed or
> replaced without removing the head? Could it be a cracked intake
manifold? 
> Please help me!!! 
> P.S. I've copied this to the Land Rover Owners list to see if there is
> difference on all cylinders EXCEPT #3 which makes only a very small
> difference. I am getting spark to all cylinders - can see it jump when I
any

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:25:17 EST
Subject: Re: more on speedos

In a message dated 98-12-08 13:15:00 EST, you write:

      *ahem* Details please.....  
      
 >>
Er, did I miss something?

Bill lawrence

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From: Lawrence Lee <lawrencelee_tc@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:18:10 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Testing

I am receiving mail from the major, but why is my postings not
distributed? I do not have any returned mail though

Cheers
==
Lawrence Lee
Blk 22, Sin Ming Road, # 11-216
Singapore 570022
Tel: (65) 456 7815   Mobile: 9 684 3678

Land Rover SerIII 109, 2.6l   "Kerbau"
A Malay name for Water Buffalo. One that PREFERS to stay in mud.

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:23:22 +0200
Subject: Re: 3.5/Series Conversion

> How easy a job is this, my project will be down to the frame as 
> well? Is the RR auto box much different to the SD1?  What would an 

I have no idea how easy it is...  Here is all I know.

Early RRs had a 3 speed auto 'box; when you drive it the engine 
really revs in each gear before it (chunkily) selects the next...  
Apparently the 3 speed auto is one of the more bulletproof offerings 
in the gearbox department.  Can't remember who made the 'box.  I 
don't think it has a lock-up on 3rd gear so will probably be quite 
inefficient at cruise.  I also don't know how they made the transfer 
case attach to it.

Later RRs have the 4 speed 'box, which is (IMO) just right.

I have no idea what auto 'box is in an SD1.

Fitting an auto will require much more modification than a different 
manual 'box as you need fluid coolers, selector mechanisms, 
throttle linkages/kickdown cables etc.etc.etc.  Then again, all 
those will be in place and set up on the donor vehicle so all that's 
required (ha ha ha) is to transfer them across.

> auto in a S3 LWB safari be like off road? I am not sure I really 
> like autos but then again until I pick up the SD1 on thursday 

I love auto for off road, but it somehow seems strange to consider 
one in a series vehicle...  I was suggesting the auto because the 
SD1 will have one that presumably works, fits the engine and has 
all the bells, whistles and fittings included the "package"... i.e. it's 
a cheap option that'll take the power/torque of the V8.

Speaking of which, doesn't the SD1 application of the V8 have 
more power than the Range Rover one, at the expense of some 
torque?

The SD1 V8 should mate straight onto an LT95 gearbox...  Then 
you could get an LT95 from a scrap 1970-8? RR or early 110 and 
have permanent one/4 wheel drive as well as a manual 'box.  Since 
the LT95 fitted to 110s it should fit into a Series vehicle (esp. in 
terms of floor panels).  Definitely worth a look as I doubt there are 
that many people wanting old 4 speed 'boxes for transplants.

Enough of this chatter; it's all speculation.

All the best,

Andy
andyg@sherco.co.za, '79RR
which would love a 4 speed auto 'box.

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From: Malcolm Woodruff <kap08@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 08:04:45 -0800
Subject: Occasional missing V8

Thanks for the suggestions so far. I dont think it can be fuel, although 
it does feel like that, because I have both on petrol and gas on one 
110 and it happens on both fuels. When it stops raining I will go and 
change the vacuum hoses and see whether that helps. If not I will change 
the distributor. Any one with experience of a Mallory 2 point 
distributor?

Can anyone tell me why, if I am not getting a spark when the engine turns 
over with the starter motor, I can tow start? battery is good. This 
happened to me on Sunday when Bruff, my 110 station wagon decided to stop 
in the middle of a river, we pulled it out, nothing appeared wet (it was 
only thigh height but very cold) but there was no spark. After checking 
all the easy bits with no success we gave it a tow and it sprang into 
life. We have had a similar experience with Nellie, our 110 hardtop, no 
where near a river.

Malcolm Woodruff

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 03:19:09 EST
Subject: Re: Occasional missing V8

Well...I haven't read the whole thread on this, but...

I experienced a similar thing a few years ago, with my SD-1 (NAS model): it
would run nicely, and then all of a sudden, it would stop as if somebody
pulled the plug on it!

It wasn't until almost a year later, that I realised I had a factory shop
manual, complete with the original diagnostic schedule...it turned out to be
dead oxygen sensors! (after I had replaced the fuel pump, Lumenition kit, fuel
filters, plugs/plug leads, coil, etc...) I also noticed the coolant temp
sensor needed to be replaced.

I don't know if your engine is injected or not, but if it is, try replacing
these items: they're cheaper than a fuel pump, and easier to swap out than
that ECU that you borrowed from a friend!

Charles
P.S. anybody know where I can get instructions for a Lucas Epitest???

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From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:20:39 +0100
Subject: Re: New Landie and the old one

>>Test is done, I yet have a 88...
>Oh, wait you have an 88 - and now you want to buy another?!  I must have
>missed that.
>Well, that changes things...  Ship the 109 to me!
Sorry but, I'll take the 109.

But if you want the 88, I sell it, 1600$
front Outriggers rusted (I have the parts),
Injection pump to time (smoke, smoke, smoke)
overheating,

I changed:
Waterpump,
Head Gasket,
all springs,
Injection pump was checked,
new clutch.

And I surely forgot others....

But I think you're too far from France...

Do you now as well what parts I can use on the 109 (1967 Series IIA Diesel)
from the 88 (1981 Series III Diesel) (Diesel is cheaper in France, as I told
in the Petrol thread).
I'm thinking of big part like clutch, ... If I can use most of the parts, I
won't sell the 88.

Have a good day.

And thanks to all for the advices about girlfriends (I was very pleased this
morning looking at all your funny messages).

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From: Alexander Bell <albe@lvs.informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE>
Date: 09 Dec 1998 10:49:53 +0100
Subject: Re: More on Peugeot diesels

Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com> writes:

> Someone was asking about Peugeot diesels - I had a Peugeot 205, from new,
> with the 1800cc N/A diesel, in which I covered over 200,000 miles (yes
> Sorry - I can't comment how good this lump would be in a LR - but in the 

[...]

> 205 60-70mpg was the norm and top speed (on a race track - officer) was 
> over 90 mph.

This is a completely different engine, it was designed years later. 
 
>      The one I am thinking about is the 2.3L XD2, which is designed to tow 
>      around a sizeable lump of PG station wagon. 

There were two versions of the XD2 engine: XD2 P and XD2 PS both are 2.3l
engines. The P version lacks the turbo. A bigger version of this engine is the
XD3, available as P (no turbo), TP (with turbo) and TE (with turbo and
inter-cooler). The technical data are:

        ccm   hp         torque at 2000/min
XD2P   2304   67 (4500)  13.7mkg
XD2S   2304   80 (4150)  18.8mkg
XD3P   2498   75 (4500)  15.3mkg
XD3TP  2498   95 (4150)  21.0mkg
XD3TE  2498  110 (4150)  23.5mkg

These engines were used in the Peugeot 504/505/604 (various models). The XD2P
was also used in the Ford Sierra 2.3D and the XD3(T)P was used in the Ford
Scorpio 2.5D/2.5TD. The Peugeot variants are more suitable for an engine swap
as the Ford model's oilsump must be modified because of the LR universal shaft.

>      I think it is also used as a slogger in French trucks.  

imho no, there are some rumors DAF sometimes used it in on of their LT's but
that this engine needs serious modifications to be fitted into a LR.

>      I still cannot find anything bad about this conversion....  

I'm pleased with an XD2S engine in my S3 109. My engine is fitted with the
inter-cooler from the XD3TE model. I usually do around 23.5mpg but alway more
than 20mpg (assuming 1gal=3.785l and 1mile=1.609km). I reach a top speed of
80mph, but my normal cruising speed on highways is around 60mph. btw.: this is
with an Superwinch overdrive fitted.

>      THere is a guy in New Jersey who has some of 
>      these as long blocks still in factory crates for 1000 US each.

Sounds as a good price to me.

>      Considering from the sonds of it that this engine is the one LR should 
>      have used in the first place (my, it is getting toasty...) that is 
>      *very* cheap.

I consider my engine superior to the LR 200tdi or Mercedes 300D engines, which
are also popular swaps in Germany.

cu albe.

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:17:17 +1100
Subject: Petrol?

Mike Rooth wrote:
Ho hum...its snigger at the Brits time again. Feel free, we only
*invented* the language after all. Trouble is, we were unsuccessful in
teaching
you lot to *speak* it properly:-)

Bill lawrence replied
Point well taken but you have to admit that In many cases you haven't done
such
a great job of teaching your own lot to speak it either.

I respond:  Yeah, not like us Aussies. We're rooly, rooly good at speaking
it

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:09:45 +1100
Subject: Tube or no tube

Bill Fishel wrote:
>if I can minimize the number of tires I'm replacing maybe
> I can save enough for a winch or a really good wench.

Bill, You've got it all wrong.  You want a really BAD wench.

ROn

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From: "Hanne Sønnichsen" <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:22:17 +0100
Subject: Diesel SIII 2.25l no preheat

Hi folks,

I've just returned from Alaska (more about THAT another day - I haven't
even resubscribed yet) but I have a "new" problem with my 88 which I
need a few ideas on - any help here?

The pre-heat doesn't - I turn the ignition to pre-heat position, and 12
volts appears at each side of the pre-heat ballast coil on the bulkhead,
and there is 12 volts and continuity all the way through the diasy chain
of 4 pre-heat glowplugs.

I have removed each glowplug, there is continuity on each filament and
no shorts to earth.

The diasy-chain of 4 glow plugs in series shows continuity, and 12 volts
if the earth starp between the last plug and the block is removed.

The pre-heat indicator lamp does not light up, but there is 12 volts on
the centre terminal of the lampholder when the ignition is put in
pre-heat position.

The earth continuity between the indicator lampholder and earth is OK

So the system checks out OK, but the plugs do not heat up, the ballst
coil does not get warm and the indicator lamp does not light.

With nighttime temperatures of minus 15 C I'd like to get this thing
working - any ideas or words of wisdom out there?

Please reply to my e-mail direct, as I haven't yet resubscribed to the
lists.

Seasons greetings and all that!

Adrian Redmond

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:52:53 +0000
Subject: Re: Petrol?

>I respond:  Yeah, not like us Aussies. We're rooly, rooly good at speaking
>it

Yeah,well,we taught you proper.Unfortunately we taught you to play cricket,
too.And *now* look what's happened......:-(

Mike Rooth

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