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From: Lorri Paustian <lorri@sound.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 04:15:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Kansas City, here I come

We have lots of folks here in the KC area.  There is a very good friend of
ours that works on our Rovers that lives in Leavenworth.  Would be happy to
meet up with you during your visit.
Lorri Paustian, Flatland Rover Society
Lenexa, Kansas
'95 Coniston Green D90 SW
'95 Arles Blue D90 SW
'93 D110

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:47:30 +0200
Subject: Re: Pure as the driven antifreeze (PS)

> (like 50-100%)?

I forgot; there is lots of (presumably biased) information on a web 
page...

http://www.redlineoil.com/wwti.htm

Look down and there are the thermal props. of water, 100% and 
50/50.

Should be all you need to know in this regard?

All the best,
^O
Andy

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:41:30 +0200
Subject: Re: Pure as the driven antifreeze

> Are there any known snags with running large concentrations of antifreeze
> (like 50-100%)?

There is increased thermal resistance at the fluid<>metal interface 
meaning your car will run a bit hotter when worked hard, but that 
disadvantage is partly made up for by an increase in the boiling 
point of the fluid.

I think it is that way around, but corrections welcome.

All the best,

Andy
andyg@sherco.co.za, '79RR

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From: nlamon1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 06:29:52 -0600
Subject: Petrol?

Where can I buy petrol?  All I can find is gasoline?

Wait! I get it!  

"Cheers" and all that...

NL

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 09:02:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Pure as the driven antifreeze

In our climate there is a definate snag if you run less than 50%. Nasy little
snags like cracked blocks.
 John and Muddy

Andy Woodward wrote:

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 09:07:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Alt. Question

Al. If you search long and hard or you have a good auto electrical rebuilder you
can get small case Delcos up to 110 amps. That is what is in Muddy.
John and Muddy

Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com wrote:

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:14:13 EST
Subject: Re: Need partz

Bill,

Looks like I've gotten rid of the anchors.  Sorry.  Will keep my eyes open
though.

Good luck at CAS3.  I was too old for that course - went straight to CGSC.

Larry

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 13:55:42 +0200
Subject: Re: Pure as the driven antifreeze

Andy Woodward wrote:

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:06:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Pure as the driven antifreeze (PS)

On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Andy Grafton wrote:

:> (like 50-100%)?
:I forgot; there is lots of (presumably biased) information on a web 
:page...
:
:http://www.redlineoil.com/wwti.htm

Red Line's water wetter is one of these things that you expect to be snake
oil, but which turn out to actually work.  I won't vouch for its
anti-corrosion properties, but it really does increase the cooling
system's ability to shed heat.  

Unless it gets really cold, I wouln't run any higher than 50/50% for an
extended period.  Anti-freeze has a much lower heat capacity than plain
old water.

David

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:11:47 +0000
Subject: Re: Petrol?

>Where can I buy petrol?  All I can find is gasoline?

Ho hum...its snigger at the Brits time again.Feel free,we only
*invented* the language after all.Trouble is,we were unsuccesful in teaching
you lot to *speak* it properly:-)

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Mark L. Freeman" <baker@iland.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:37:11 -0600
Subject: VW in Talks with BMW re: Sale of Rover Group
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NPR reported this morning the VW is talking with BMW about a possible =
sale of the Rover Group to VW.  The report said BMW denied the rumor.

>From the frying pan into the fire, Eh?

Best Regards,

Mark Freeman

1975 109 hybrid
1974  88 petrol
1990 RR
1997 disco

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 98 07:28:35 -0800
Subject: Re: VW in Talks with BMW re: Sale of Rover Group

>NPR reported this morning the VW is talking with BMW about a possible =
>sale of the Rover Group to VW.  The report said BMW denied the rumor.
;
;>From the frying pan into the fire, Eh?
>Best Regards,
>sale of the Rover Group to VW.  The report said BMW denied the rumor.

I don't know... A D110 Westfalia might become very popular.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:41:00 +0200
Subject: Re: Petrol?

> *invented* the language after all.Trouble is,we were unsuccesful in
> teaching you lot to *speak* it properly:-)

Sadly, Mike, there are those who can't be taught no matter how 
hard one tries...

Andy

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:53:37 +0200
Subject: Re: Pure as the driven antifreeze (PS)

> anti-corrosion properties, but it really does increase the cooling
> system's ability to shed heat.  

I have only used it once (admittedly a crap sample size), but my 
experience is to the contrary...  On a SIII 2.286 diesel with about 
30% glycol in the coolant it did not have a noticeable-on-the-
temperature-gauge effect when operating the cooling system close 
to its maximum.  The experiment was simple; having to drive up a 
really long hill repeatedly we found the hand throttle setting which 
would make it sit on the red line.  After dumping one, then two 
bottles of water wetter in the radiator it ran no cooler for the same 
throttle setting on the same hill (oh yes at the same time of day 
with the same load, same ambient temp. etc. etc. etc.).

Not the most scientific of experiments, but that's my experience... 
It didn't allow me to get up that hill any quicker.  I'm sure it *must* 
work in the right application.  I'm not just bashing Red Line, 
because I have tried a few of their other products which behaved as 
advertised.

All the best,

Andy
andyg@sherco.co.za

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From: "John Baker" <daddyo@loxinfo.co.th>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:39:09 +0700
Subject: Re: Petrol Price

Not sure why everyone is posting petrol prices, but here goes. In Thailand
92 octane retails for .97 cents a US gallon, diesel about .77 

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@email.msn.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:50:01 -0000
Subject: Re: Petrol Price

Ho hum, so I suspect 69.9 pence a litre is expensive for unleaded and 76
pence a litre for leaded is extortionate(?) !!!! Oh well, at least we speak
english here!!!! Ho Ho...have a good time on your NOT TAXED XXXXX% FUEL
guys!

Neil

SIII 109" 1978 Ex-MOD 'The Rancor'

PS That's Sterling, the government has banned us from pricing per gallon, as
it looks like a stupid amount now! i.e. 3.15 UK pounds a gallon!! Thats
about $5 us dollars!!!!

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 11:19:16 -0500
Subject: Tire question

Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net> wrote:

>When LR switched to 15" rims, what size OEM tyre was supplied?  My interest
>is tall skinny tires, but what to look for

An original '73 sales brochure listed the tires as Goodyear 7.10 X 15
"Ultra Grip" on 5.00 by 15" rims.  Oddball size, eh?

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  |                                                   |
  |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        | 
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: Alexander Bell <albe@lvs.informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE>
Date: 07 Dec 1998 17:17:33 +0100
Subject: Re: Petrol Price

"John Baker" <daddyo@loxinfo.co.th> writes:

> Not sure why everyone is posting petrol prices, but here goes.

and to give you an impression where not to drive V8's, in Germany petrol is
around 3.50US-$/gallon and diasel around 2.38US-$/gallon. 

and btw. the cheapest petrol i bought was in libya: petrol 13US-cent/gallon and
diesel 8US-cent per gallon.

cu albe

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 11:19:18 -0500
Subject: Petrol prices

WRT the thread on petrol prices, I read a blurb in one of those weekly
newsletter things (Kipplinger?  I forget) that says that when adjusted for
inflation, gasoline has *never* been cheaper in the US than right
now....these *are* the good old days.  Locally, regular is in the $.87 to
$.94 per gallon range.... Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  |                                                   |
  |   (original owner)        (pre-production)        | 
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:18:31 -0600
Subject: RE: Petrol price

Well, it came down everywhere.
We are getting petrol now for $1.27 a gallon, and diesel for 91c.
This is assuming we are talking of 3.785 liters in a gallon, just to be
sure!!

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:24:52 -0600
Subject: RE: Petrol prices

>WRT the thread on petrol prices, I read a blurb in one of those weekly
>newsletter things (Kipplinger?  I forget) that says that when adjusted for
>inflation, gasoline has *never* been cheaper in the US than right
>now....these *are* the good old days.  Locally, regular is in the $.87 to
>$.94 per gallon range.... Cheers

Thats why cc. in engines are getting bigger and bigger every day. Just like
in the good ol'days. We better hope that we don't get a 70's like oil crisis
again.
Just a thought.
We never learn from our mistakes, even though we say we do.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:30:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 88 Rooftop FS

Hi everybody - I have a 88 rooftop sitting in my backyard that has got to
go.  It is straight except for the front right corner, which was dented and
filled with some sort of filler-crap.  Recently painted in limestone.  It
leaks, like they all do, but could be sealed properly.  Any takers?  It is
in Ithaca, NY.
Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:39:37 +0000
Subject: Re: VW in Talks with BMW re: Sale of Rover Group

>NPR reported this morning the VW is talking with BMW about a possible =
>sale of the Rover Group to VW.  The report said BMW denied the rumor.

What's the betting that if it does,it keeps Land Rover,thereby exposing
its original intentions..

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:34:47 EST
Subject: Re: Petrol prices

In a message dated 12/7/98 9:29:21 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr writes:

<<  We better hope that we don't get a 70's like oil crisis
 again. >>

You mean the artificial oil crisis brought on by an attempt at price controls?
That one?

Gerry "old enough to remember it and what caused it" Elam
Phx AZ

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:05:00 -0600
Subject: RE: Petrol prices

>You mean the artificial oil crisis brought on by an attempt at price
controls?
>That one?
>Gerry "old enough to remember it and what caused it" Elam
>Phx AZ

That one it is.
Easy to make up, you just need somebody to want it, and you can get a pretty
great mess.

It is quite depressing when you think of how tiny and vulnerable our
consumerselves are, immersed in this global village we are living nowdays.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Slade@DreamLab.cc (Michael Slade)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:11:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: VW in Talks with BMW re: Sale of Rover Group

>>NPR reported this morning the VW is talking with BMW about a possible =
>>sale of the Rover Group to VW.  The report said BMW denied the rumor.
>;
>;>From the frying pan into the fire, Eh?
>>Best Regards,
>>sale of the Rover Group to VW.  The report said BMW denied the rumor.
>I don't know... A D110 Westfalia might become very popular.

Sign me up!

Michael Slade
Portland, Oregon
www.DreamLab.cc

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From: "Andy Woodward" <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:21:07 -0000
Subject: Re: Speedometer (and GPS)

\Over the course of the last two weeks I have not seen the GPS speed 
r\eading
\vary at all from the car's instrument.  This has me puzzled because I would\
\have expected that as a result of the US DOD's deliberate dickering with the
\accuracy of the GPS system I should have seen the odd wild variation.

I was under the impression that the absolute reading would be wrong, but 
relativereadings between two positions (in a smallish time) wouod be right 
since both would have teh same absolute error. So your position would be 
wrong, but your speed would be right.

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From: "Bill Fishel" <bfishel@cisnet.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 22:11:25 -0500
Subject: Tube or no tube

Hi All
I must of bounced my sidewall off of something
last night in the mud and broke the seal around
the bead of my rear tire. Chewed the tire up 
before my brother noticed it was thumping.
Said tire departed the rim before I could find
a safe place to change it. Went back looking
for the tire that wandered off on its own and 
spent another half hour looking for it. Belts
inside were chewed up and useless but at
least I got it out of the woods.

Would running with tubes inside the tubeless
tires have prevented this? I don't expect
every trek into the unknown to be flawless,
where's the fun in that, but if I can minimize the
number of tires I'm replacing maybe I can save 
enough for a winch or a really good wench.

Bill

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:13:45 -0600
Subject: RE: Speedometer (and GPS)

>I was under the impression that the absolute reading would be wrong, but
>relativereadings between two positions (in a smallish time) wouod be right
>since both would have teh same absolute error. So your position would be
>wrong, but your speed would be right.

I think you are not quite right, because speed is a measurement of the time
it takes to get from point A to point B. If point A, and point B, can be 50
to 100 meters away from the reading the GPS is taking for the calculations,
then it happens that both points can be up to 200 meters farther away or
closer together than what the GPS is taking for the calculation.
The degree of error will never be in the same direction, or in the same
amount, so if your two points are not accurate everytime, then your speed
reading will not be accurate either. Dont take for granted what your GPS
tells you, it is usefull, but not holly word.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: SJH <SHARDING@SCHULTE-LAW.COM>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:14:00 -0800
Subject: blown bead

Re:  blown bead while rovering:  a tube would probably not have prevented   
from the sound of your experience, would likely have been shredded.  It   
might have delayed the tire de-rimming though.  

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:30:36 -0800 
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel and Aluminum

From: IBEdwardp@aol.com
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 14:16:05 EST
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel and Aluminum

>A couple of observations:

>1 - I thought the primary reason boats were so prone to galvanic corrosion
was
that they are emersed in a saline or otherwise conductive solution.
Therefore
the less noble zink is carried through the electrolyte to the earth source
and
"plates" it.

The fact that a boat is sitting in salt water does not result in
electrolysis.  However, the fact that a boat is sitting in salt water
greatly increases the chances that an electrolyte will be present in the
form of salt deposits, or saltwater itself, inside the boat to fill the role
of an electrolyte and electrically "connect" two pieces of dissimilar metal.
But all it takes for electrolysis to occur is two or more dissimilar metals
connected electrically by an electrolyte.  It doesn't matter if the metals
are in a vehicle at 5,000 feet in Denver, Colorado or in a parking lot by a
beach in Florida.  The electrolyte can be anything that conducts a
current... salt water, fresh water with conductive chemicals in it, damp
dirt with conductive chemicals or metal particles in it, whatever.  The
farther apart on the Galvanic chart the two metals are, the greater will be
the current and the faster the "lower " metal will lose mass, or corrode.

>2 - What about a "bonded" electrical system on a Land-Rover? That is,
simply
not using the body/chassis components as earth but instead wire grounding
everything back to the battery, thus avoiding electrical currents flowing
between dissimilar metals in the first place?

I suspect this would be immensely difficult to set up because every time you
bolt or rivet something together you are establishing an electrical
connection.  Isolating everything and connecting them directly to the
battery would probably require a wiring harness you'd need a trailer to
carry.  A far easier solution is to use materials that are as close together
on the Galvanic chart as possible.  Generally speaking, aluminum alloys and
mild or "regular" steel are much closer together than aluminum alloys and
stainless steel.

>3 - Also, would it help to use plastic/vinyl washers? I saw a restored
Series
II where the owner had cut gaskets out of old tupperware containers to
insulate the door hinges from the birmabright body panels.

Using plastic or vinyl washers isn't going to isolate anything from anything
unless you also use plastic or vinyl screws, bolts, or rivets.  And in
addition to this insulation, you must make sure there is absolutely no
contact between the two metal items, something pretty hard to ensure in a
vehicle like a Land Rover, and that there is no chance that water or dirt
will collect between the parts and create an electrolyte.

Believe me, it's a hell of a lot easier and cheaper to just not use
stainless steel on your vehicle.  If you're concerned about rust (the only
reason to use stainless), use aluminum.  There are, or used to be because I
have some, aluminum window channels, and of course you can get aluminum
rivets, bolts, etc.  If these aren't strong enough for the specific
application, then use steel, or cad-plated steel which will last somewhat
longer.  The original steel window channels on my 1973 Series III lasted a
long, long time before they rusted to the point of needing replacement.  And
this is in a vehicle that lived outside from 1973 to 1985 in the rain.  The
window channels and felts were almost always wet.  Had the vehicle been kept
in a garage from the outset, I suspect the steel channels would have lasted
much longer.  And I'm sure the channel drains became plugged early on with
dirt and felt fuzz because I never really checked to make sure they were
clear.  I know better now, but it never occurred to me at the time.  You'll
do a lot for the life of your window channels just by keeping the drain
channels cleared out.

To top it all off, the fact that something is made out of stainless steel
does not mean it won't rust.  There are a lot of grades of stainless steel,
and there is more and more of the "cheap stuff" on the market these days,
mostly from Taiwan which today is one of the world's largest supplier of
affordable stainless fasteners and fittings.  Walk around any marina and
you'll see all sorts of stainless steel fasteners, railings, etc. that are
stating to rust.  In the slip next to our boat is a brand new 52-foot Grand
Banks.  This boat and all the equipment on it cost just about $1 million.
It is perhaps a month old.  But the stainless steel window frames set in the
hull for the master stateroom are already staring to rust and weep stains
down the hull.  Obviously, the window manufacture used or was sent a "bad"
batch of stainless, and one would think the owner has grounds for a warranty
claim against American Marine, the builder of Grand Banks boats.

A previous poster related his experience with stainless fasteners on his
Land Rover.  Read what he said, and then save yourself the potential of
future headaches by just not using it on your vehicle.

One final comment: the warmer and more humid the climate you live in, the
faster rust and corrosion will occur.  Boaters and seaplane owners in Alaska
and northern British Columbia have less problems with corrosion that boaters
and seaplane owners in Florida and the other Gulf states.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 10:39:25 -0800 
Subject: Re: Speedometer

From: IBEdwardp@aol.com
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:45:02 EST
Subject: Re: Speedometer

>Judging from the number of posts regarding speedometers, it sounds like not
very many of them work properly. I've recently been involved in redoing the
electrical system on my 2A and have just about decided to do away with the
speedo altogether. The odometer reads 56000 some odd miles as it has for
several years and the speedo fluxuates between 40 and 60 no matter how fast
I
am going. What I was thinking, what about one of those 4000 rpm tachs and an
hour meter (for determining oil change, etc.)?

The speedometer in my Series III broke while on a trip to the Yukon in 1977.
I removed it and made a new instrument panel from aluminum which
incorporates the vehicle's original fuel quantity/water temp/alternator
light instrument plus a 6,000 rpm Bendix tachometer and a manifold pressure
gauge.  Engine rpm and manifold pressure are far more relevant to operating
a vehicle than a speedometer as far as I'm concerned, but maybe that's the
pilot in me talking.  As to oil changes, I change the oil and filter  when
the oil begins to look dirty, which in the past occurred pretty close to
3,000 miles, so I decided to not bother installing a Hobbs meter.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:56:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Speedometer (and GPS)

On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Andy Woodward wrote:

:\Over the course of the last two weeks I have not seen the GPS speed 
:r\eading
:\vary at all from the car's instrument.  This has me puzzled because I would\
:\have expected that as a result of the US DOD's deliberate dickering with the
:\accuracy of the GPS system I should have seen the odd wild variation.
:
:I was under the impression that the absolute reading would be wrong, but 
:relativereadings between two positions (in a smallish time) wouod be right 
:since both would have teh same absolute error. So your position would be 
:wrong, but your speed would be right.

My understanding of GPS selective availabilty was that it changed fairly
rapidly, and algorithmicly.  The algorithm is called the druken stagger.
The name comes from the appearance of the plot.  If you look at a sequence
of consecutive plots, it appearce that they sort of stagger around the
real position.  Over a sufficently long period, the error appears random.  	
This is supposed to make it harder to cancel the error out.  

As the error in absolute terms is constant (barring changes to SA), the
faster you go the more accurate the speed readings will be.

David

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 09:20:20 -1000
Subject: Re: Speedometer (and GPS)

>\Over the course of the last two weeks I have not seen the GPS speed
>r\eading
>\vary at all from the car's instrument.  This has me puzzled because I

would\
>\have expected that as a result of the US DOD's deliberate dickering with
the
>\accuracy of the GPS system I should have seen the odd wild variation.
>I was under the impression that the absolute reading would be wrong, but
>relativereadings between two positions (in a smallish time) wouod be right
>since both would have teh same absolute error. So your position would be
>wrong, but your speed would be right.

I was told that the 'error' built into the civilian models was +- 20 feet
when compared to our issue ones (have not tried it).
Pete

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <rgdushin@blackcat.cat.syr.edu>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:37:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Petrol Price

some envious Brit wrote:

*** 
Ho hum, so I suspect 69.9 pence a litre is expensive for unleaded and
76 pence a litre for leaded is extortionate(?) !!!! Oh well, at least we
speak english here!!!! Ho Ho...have a good time on your NOT TAXED XXXXX%
FUEL guys!
***

Oh, we're taxed all right, just not nearly to the extent that you are...
and there's none of this double *much less triple* taxation you put
up with.

But what's the difference?  Alls you lot do is drive around those silly
roundabouts all day long anyway.  May as well just quaff pints in the pub.

Ta,
r"incoming"d/nige

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From: Malcolm Woodruff <kap08@dial.pipex.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 22:18:32 -0800
Subject: V8 Occaisonal missing

Hello 
I have two 110, one 1983 one 1984. Both  with V8 engines. On both I have 
a similar problem i.e. it is going along quite nicely and then suddenly 
it will miss for perhaps half a second and then just go on as if nothing 
has happened. I have changed points, pugs, leads, condenser and coil all 
to no avail. Has anyone any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Malcolm Woodruff

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:47:36 -0400
Subject: Re: V8 Occaisonal missing

I would carefully check the condition of the distributor.
John and Muddy

Malcolm Woodruff wrote:

> Hello
> I have two 110, one 1983 one 1984. Both  with V8 engines. On both I have
> a similar problem i.e. it is going along quite nicely and then suddenly
> it will miss for perhaps half a second and then just go on as if nothing
> has happened. I have changed points, pugs, leads, condenser and coil all
> to no avail. Has anyone any ideas?
> Thanks in advance
> Malcol

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 06:34:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Pure as the driven antifreeze

Yes. Do not have a concentration greater than that required for the
temperatures you expect.The specific heat and specific gravity for
excessively high concentrations will reduce your heater capacity and your
pumping capacity.Remember that when the glycol manufacturers list a freezing
point of their product it usually means the point at which crystalline
strucures begin to appear not when it is a solid lump.

Andy Woodward wrote:

> Are there any known snags with running large concentrations of antifreeze
> (like 50-100%)?

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:50:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Petrol price

> The prices in Toronto are "down" to 48 cents a LITRE...........
> Rejoice.
> And when you figure the conversion it comes out to about $.77/gallon
> in US
> dollars.....8*)

Try $1.16/gal US1 gal US = 3.786 litre
$1.00 CAN = $0.65 US

BTW, even in the US a high percentage of the prices of gasoline for
automotive use are state and Federal taxes.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:18:00 -0800 
Subject: GPS and Heisenberg

     Subject: Re: Speedometer (and GPS)
     
     \Over the course of the last two weeks I have not seen the GPS speed 
     r\eading
\vary at all from the car's instrument.  This has me puzzled because I 
would\
\have expected that as a result of the US DOD's deliberate dickering with 
the
\accuracy of the GPS system I should have seen the odd wild variation.

I was under the impression that the absolute reading would be wrong, but 
relativereadings between two positions (in a smallish time) wouod be right 
since both would have teh same absolute error. So your position would be 
wrong, but your speed would be right.

Rather uncertaintly principle-ish eh?

Clinton

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From: Clinton Coates <ccoates@GOLDER.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:24:00 -0800 
Subject: Peugeot Diesels

     Does anyone have anything good/bad to say about Peugeot diesels as 
     applied to the LR?  This is a long time swap in British Columbia, and 
     is *very* economical compared to other diesels.  It also requires no 
     butchery, drops right in, is lighter than the 2.25 petrol block, has 
     77hp (NA) and lasts forever.  There must be *something* wrong with 
     these engines, beyond having to re-torque the head every 40,000 miles?
     
     Clinton

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 07:01:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Petrol price

Yea, it`s great if your visiting, but not for us poor suckers that have to pay
in our overtaxed Canuck pesos. The amount of taxes on a gallon of gas is
obscene. If any other body tried that the Feds would charge them with usary.
Actually the "normal" price is around the 58 cents/ litre which at 4.546 L /
Imp. gallon works out to $2.18/gall. which in turn works out to $2.18 x 0.60 =
US $1.30/ Imp gall which is 1.167.larger than the US measure. And thats for 85
Octane........95 octane is 65 cents.! ! !  Did you have to get me going on
this. :-)  Still it could be worse ,just think what they pay in Frank
Elsonland.

> The prices in Toronto are "down" to 48 cents a LITRE........... Rejoice.
> And when you figure the conversion it comes out to about $.77/gallon in US
> dollars.....8*)
>                          aj"I love the exchange rate....."r

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 07:08:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Petrol?

 Yes but it`s only spoken properly north of Brum. Mike....... South ,it`s some
sort of aglomeration of foreign tongues.    Uh oh I think there is a flame on
it`s way from New Scotland..

Mike Rooth wrote:

> Ho hum...its snigger at the Brits time again.Feel free,we only
> *invented* the language after all.Trouble is,we were unsuccesful in teaching
> you lot to *speak* it properly:-)

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From: "BROWN DAVID E (DAVE)" <debrown@srp.gov>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:05:52 -0700 
Subject: IIa missing at idle on #3 cylinder

Hello Ray, I recently bought a rebuilt cyl head from you to replace my
cracked one for a '71 IIa petrol. It never ran "right" since I bought it,
because of the cracked head, so I can't tell if it had this problem before,
but it has a miss at idle, and won't pass the emissions test. It passes the
cruise part, but the idle Hc (I think) is around 1200 ppm and should be less
than 500.

I have replaced plugs, wires, cap, rotor, points, condenser, and cylinder
head. Compression is balanced across all cylinders at around 125 psi at 1200
foot elevation. Valve adjustment has been checked and rechecked. I have even
swapped the plugs and wires around and always have a problem with #3
cylinder. The previous owner had installed the distributor 180 degrees off
(and rotated the wires to compensate), so I even went through all the
trouble of changing that around thinking that if the problem moved to the #2
cylinder it would be a bad distributor. (Man! What a pain THAT was!) No
luck, it's still #3. Pulling one wire off at a time makes a noticeable
difference on all cylinders EXCEPT #3 which makes only a very small
difference. I am getting spark to all cylinders - can see it jump when I
reconnect the wire. I've checked and re-checked for vacuum leaks and a
vacuum gauge reads steady at idle. 

I have not yet checked the valve lift to see if I have a flat cam, but will
do this next using a dial indicator. What else is there????? Could it be a
weak or broken valve spring? Can the springs be removed and shimmed or
replaced without removing the head? Could it be a cracked intake manifold? 

Please help me!!! 

P.S. I've copied this to the Land Rover Owners list to see if there is any
"net wisdom" on this. They're a very sharp bunch!

Thanks, Dave Brown W: 602-236-3544   H: 602-855-9602

Thank you
Dave Brown,  <http://www.srp.gov/> AM/FM
Phone:  602-236-3544  Fax:  602-236-2303
Hours: 7:00 a.m. - 5:30 p.m. Mon-Thurs  AWW: Off Fridays
E-mail:   <mailto:debrown@srp.gov> debrown@srp.gov

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 07:12:13 -0500
Subject: Re: VW in Talks with BMW re: Sale of Rover Group

Now go and wash your mouth out and then stand in the corner `till we let you
out.

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> I don't know... A D110 Westfalia might become very popular.

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From: "Steve Rochna" <mns@oasisol.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:11:57 -0800
Subject: oops

I guess I'm subscribed now.

Steve

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:11:17 EST
Subject: Re: IIa missing at idle on #3 cylinder

In a message dated 12/7/98 7:07:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, debrown@srp.gov
writes:

> I have not yet checked the valve lift to see if I have a flat cam, but will
>  do this next using a dial indicator. What else is there????? Could it be a
>  weak or broken valve spring? Can the springs be removed and shimmed or
>  replaced without removing the head? Could it be a cracked intake manifold? 

 
What about a ring that's letting a little oil by.  That would increase the HC
and would also retard the burn in #3.  Leak down test, (I think) would show if
that's the problem

Nate

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 08:23:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel and Aluminum

Not all stainless steels are created equal. Ferritic and non ferritic, Passive
and active states. The fact remains that putting aluminum and steels together is
asking for a problem. Isolating them is only coming up with a solution to a
problem you should not have given yourself in the first place. The greater the
potential , or voltage if you will, of the couple the greater the effect of
galvanic corrosion. and the further apart on the galvanic chart the greater the
potental Passivity in a metal is the inactive state in which it displays a more
noble behaviour than thermodynamic considerations would predict. In other words
,it didn`t corrode when it should. Stainless steels exhibit passivity  because
of the formation of a protective film on the surface of the metal. It could be
an oxide or an absorbed oxygen film. Aluminum is a reactive metal that quickly
forms a coating of aluminum oxide which halts further corrosion by many
environments.Any movement that would abrade these films would allow the reaction
to proceed.

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 08:33:04 -0500
Subject: Re: V8 Occaisonal missing

Do they have EGR valves ,if so check that the valves are not sticking.Undo
the connection and give it a squirt of WD40 then take it for a test run.
Also checjk that your vacuum line is tight and not prone to "leak" at high
vac.

> Hello
> I have two 110, one 1983 one 1984. Both  with V8 engines. On both I have
> a similar problem i.e. it is going along quite nicely and then suddenly
> it will miss for perhaps half a second and then just go on as if nothing
> has happened. I have changed points, pugs, leads, condenser and coil all
> to no avail. Has anyone any ideas?
> Thanks in advance
> Malcolm Woodruff

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:39:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: IIa missing at idle... Dizzy?

>The previous owner had installed the distributor 180 degrees off
>(and rotated the wires to compensate), so I even went through all the
>trouble of changing that around thinking that if the problem moved to the #2
>cylinder it would be a bad distributor. (Man! What a pain THAT was!)

Hi David - when you get a few free minutes can you tell me how you did the
above - how to execute the 180 rotation with as few snags a possible?  The
PO did the same on mine!  (Sorry I can't halp with your #3!)  Thanks in
Advance - G'Luck - Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: Joseph Broach <jbroach@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:40:30 -0700
Subject: Re: Petrol price

<<BTW, even in the US a high percentage of the prices of gasoline for
automotive use are state and Federal taxes.>>

46.5 cents per gallon tax here in Montana. First state I've been to where
they have the guts to post such things.

-joseph and sidney
missoula, mt

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:50:02 EST
Subject: RE Darien Gap

The National Geographic issue is Vol. 119, No. 3, March 1961.

The article is, strangely enough, "We Drove Panama's Darien Gap" by Kip Ross.

Re-reading the last part, it isn't easy to tell if the Land Rover survived the
broken winch cable.  

>From the story:

"By actual count, on the entire trip we had crossed 26 rivers, plus 180 creeks
and ravines, and had built 125 palm-log bridges.

It had taken the cars 101 days to grind through 271 miles from Chepo - an
average of less than three hard-won jungle miles a day."

Someone asked me who sells old NG's on the net.  There are several sites on
the 'net including http://kbc.com/SALES/NGS/ngsold.htm .  (I've never done
business with them however.... you're on your own..... )

Cheers,
Gerry Elam
PHX AZ

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From: Lawrence Lee <lawrencelee_tc@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 17:51:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: reading the spark plugs

Hello,

Posted this to the list yesterday, but it did not show up. Here's my
second try. Apologies in advance if you should have happened to
receive this the second time.

 Here's an interesting one:
 
 On the 6cylinder engine, I get plugs no 1, 2 and 3 a grey-ish brown,
 while plugs 4, 5 and 6 are very white.
 
 All plugs have the same heat rating, compression tests reveal
 negligible differences between all cylinders.
 
 It seem improbable to me that fuelling could be the cause, as the carb
 is sited over cylinders 4, 5 and 6, and therefore should cause the
 reverse in plug readings.
 
 This has gotten me stumped.

 Any thoughts from the collective wisdom of the list?
 
 Cheers

==
Lawrence Lee
Blk 22, Sin Ming Road, # 11-216
Singapore 570022
Tel: (65) 456 7815   Mobile: 9 684 3678

Land Rover SerIII 109, 2.6l   "Kerbau"
A Malay name for Water Buffalo. One that PREFERS to stay in mud.

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:52:35 EST
Subject: Re Darien Gap

Take a look at http://4wd.sofcom.com/Places/CentralAmerica/Darien.html

Lots of good info.

Later...
Gerry Elam
PHX AZ

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:03:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: IIa missing at idle... Dizzy?

On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Peter M. Kaskan wrote:

:Hi David - when you get a few free minutes can you tell me how you did the
:above - how to execute the 180 rotation with as few snags a possible?  The
:PO did the same on mine!  (Sorry I can't halp with your #3!)  Thanks in
:Advance - G'Luck - Peter

Presumably you have to rotate the distributor drive gear, which involves
taking the oil filter housing off and dealing with a nasty little screw.
Just close the hood, drink a beer, and forget all about which way the
wires are supposed to be.  Much, much less effort.  If it ain't broke,
don't try to break it.

David 

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From: Joseph Broach <jbroach@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:06:42 -0700
Subject: Re: Darien Gap

Gerry writes:
<<The National Geographic issue is Vol. 119, No. 3, March 1961.
The article is, strangely enough, "We Drove Panama's Darien Gap" by Kip Ross.

Re-reading the last part, it isn't easy to tell if the Land Rover survived the
broken winch cable.>>

I suppose everyone's heard the story of the battered, rolled IIa 88" that
was flown in to "assist" the mighty Range Rovers through the gap. You can
see a picture of the beast on my site at
http://jbroach.interspeed.net/rover/series_intro/photos/darien_88.jpg.
Worth a look!

-joseph and sidney
missoula, mt

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:10:24 EST
Subject: Re: IIa missing at idle... Dizzy?

In a message dated 12/7/98 9:03:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, david@infocom.com
writes:

<< Presumably you have to rotate the distributor drive gear, which involves
 taking the oil filter housing off and dealing with a nasty little screw.
 Just close the hood, drink a beer, and forget all about which way the
 wires are supposed to be.  Much, much less effort.  If it ain't broke,
 don't try to break it.
  >>

Totally agree.  It doesn't matter which way it is rotated. as long as the wire
to #1 fires at the correct point of the compression stroke.  Presumably, you
could easily compensate at 90, 180 or 270 degrees out.  It would be more
tricky at other degrees off, but still doable.

Nate

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 09:05:28 -0500
Subject: Re: IIa missing at idle on #3 cylinder

Do you have a sticking valve. Could you borrow a Colour-Tune kit and check what
is happening in the cylinder under running conditions. Yes you can remove the
springs without taking the head off. Put a small hand full of sash cord, you
know the waxy type, about 3/8" in diameter down the plug hole and slowly.bring
it up to top dead centre. The valves will not go anywhere.Put pieces of cloth in
the drain holes in the head, you don`t want to drop the cotters down there.

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From: "Hank Rutherford" <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 21:31:13 -0500
Subject: Alternators

   I am in the throes of installing alternator in "Gromit", my '62 swb. Used
a SerIII bracket, modified to take a VW 65 amp unit (Golf?). It fits if  you
trim the engine mount bracket slightly. There is some trickery in making the
mount work, such as boring the mount to take a bolt the same size as the
alternator, and widening the space in the bracket where the alt fits. But
after all is done, a standard unit fits in the bracketry. No worries if the
alternator pukes in Dullsville, a replacement is easy to find, and no
grinding is necessary.
   The adjuster bracket is a special piece I made from aircraft aluminum,
and a print is available to anyone considering this swap. Things aren't
wired yet, so it's not too late to have smoke in the cockpit. Just my 2
cents.

                                                         H.Rutherford

From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 20:49:18
Subject: alt's

>If you ask for a Delco off  some thing with airconditioning you should end
up
>with at least an 80amp version. This will be good for almost anything.
>I run a 110amp version and don't have a scrap of trouble.
>John and Muddy

I am running a generator now and have been told that when (if) I switch
over to the alt. I will have to make all of the brackets. Just how much
trouble is that? What must be made? What to do with the Rover voltage
regulater on the bulkhead?

Jim Wolf

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:42:11 -0700
Subject: Re: IIa missing at idle on #3 cylinder

It's amazing what an empty fuel tank and a gallon of denatured alcohol
can do for emission readings.
Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88"

BROWN DAVID E (DAVE) wrote:
;> but it has a miss at idle, and won't pass the emissions test. It
passes the
;> cruise part, but the idle Hc (I think) is around 1200 ppm and should
be less
;> than 500.

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From: William Leacock <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 22:01:37 -0500

From: "Andy Woodward"  
 
Are there any known snags with running large concentrations of antifreeze 
(like 50-100%)?

 Yes, but you are unlikely to notice in a Land Rover. Thermal performance
deteriorates as the anti freeze/ water ratio increases. typically  thermal
performance tests are carried out with rich (50/50 ) anti freeze mixtures as
a worst case scenario.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:28:14 EST
Subject: Re: Speedometer (and GPS)

In a message dated 98-12-06 20:31:30 EST, you write:

 Vorizo's speedo acts more like a metronome than anything else and no amount
 of blowing dust out of it, greasing the cable, or tightening the big nut has
 made the slightest difference.
 
 I' >>

The recently rebuilt speedo on my SIII is dead steady and dead accurate as
verified by timing between mile markers on the interstate. Thes instruments
use the same technology as all other vehicles of their era and there is no
reason they can't be calibrated for a quite acceptable level of accuracy.

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:40:14 EST
Subject: Re: Petrol price

In a message dated 98-12-06 23:03:22 EST, you write:

 $1.509-1.689 here in HI.  Luckily the State is curently investigating the
 oil companies.  Seems it doesn't 'cost' anymore to produce gas here then
 back on the mainland.  Hmmm. . . .77 for dave 1.50 here.  That's one hell of
 a profit margin
 Aloha
 Pete
  >>

Yeah, the AG spent nearly 5 years "investigating" gasoline pricing in New
Mexico too.  It never came to anything and was only mentioned when the
a**ho*le was running for another office. If I were you I'd be more interested
in how much of a bite the state is taking than the oil companies. We worry so
much about nickles and dimes while the tax man is ripping off real dollars.

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:58:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Speedometer

I've noticed that when I move things about under the hood and the spedo
cable gets accidentially moved, it clacks, and the speed fluctuates.  The
cable has been too bent.

Should this cable be oiled?

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: "Brian G. Holmes" <b-sholmes@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:07:28 -0800
Subject: Aardvark is famous

Hey Art, you really ARE famous - turn the page. That isn't Suzi in the
right front seat of the Disco but none other than the phenom from Trinidad!
Cheers,
Brian

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:48:26 EST
Subject: Re: The Series Shed

In a message dated 98-12-07 02:02:20 EST, you write:

<< oh, yeah, we
 are the filthy masses!) >>
Speak for yourself. I am not that massive.

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:05:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Pure as the driven antifreeze

Andy Woodward wrote:

> Are there any known snags with running large concentrations of
> antifreeze
> (like 50-100%)?

My recollection is that conventional antifreeze has its minimum freezing
point at around 60% concentration, and 50% is good for most of the
populated parts of North America.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:18:59 EST
Subject: Re: Petrol?

In a message dated 98-12-07 09:12:19 EST, you write:

 Ho hum...its snigger at the Brits time again.Feel free,we only
 *invented* the language after all.Trouble is,we were unsuccesful in teaching
 you lot to *speak* it properly:-)
 
 Cheers
 Mike Rooth
  >>
Point wel taken but you have to admit that In many cases you haven't done such
a great job of teaching your own lot to speak it either.

Bill lawrence
Albq, NM

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:14:15 EST
Subject: Re: Pure as the driven antifreeze (PS)

In a message dated 98-12-07 09:07:28 EST, you write:

 Unless it gets really cold, I wouln't run any higher than 50/50% for an
 extended period.  Anti-freeze has a much lower heat capacity than plain
 old water.
 
 David >>

If I can remember what I was taught about this, 50/50 mix is good for about 34
(38?) below zero F while 60/40 will protect down to about 54 below. Below
these temperatures the coolant will tend to slush rather than freezing solid
thus avoiding damage from frost expansion. Higher concentrations do not give
any greater protection and seriously hamper heat transfer. Water is a much
more efficient heat transfer medium than ethylene glycol. I think excess
concentrations of antifreeze might cause uneven cooling (hot spots) within the
engine.

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM

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From: Joseph Broach <jbroach@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:46:11 -0700
Subject: Re: Darien Gap

<<I suppose everyone's heard the story of the battered, rolled IIa 88" that
was flown in to "assist" the mighty Range Rovers through the gap. You can
see a picture of the beast on my site at
http://jbroach.interspeed.net/rover/series_intro/photos/darien_88.jpg.
Worth a look!>>

Oops, take off that last period. URL should be
http://jbroach.interspeed.net/rover/series_intro/photos/darien_88.jpg

-joseph and sidney
missoula, mt

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:58:43 EST
Subject: Re: blown bead

In a message dated 98-12-07 13:30:08 EST, you write:

 Re:  blown bead while rovering:  a tube would probably not have prevented   
 from the sound of your experience, would likely have been shredded.  It   
 might have delayed the tire de-rimming though.   >>

Tubeless tires are superior because of the symptom described, ie. the tire
went down gradually not suddenly. Tube type tires in situations like this have
a tendency to deflate suddenly in a 'blow-out". While the tire may not be
damaged as badly the sudden blow-out can result in loss of control of the
vehicle. Hang in with the tubeless tires and make sure they are made for off-
road use. These tires have a heavier sidewall and are therefore less prone to
damage from rocks etc.

Bill Lawrence
Albq, NM 

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:22:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: blown bead

On Mon, 7 Dec 1998 DNDANGER@aol.com wrote:

:Tubeless tires are superior because of the symptom described, ie. the tire
:went down gradually not suddenly. Tube type tires in situations like this have
:a tendency to deflate suddenly in a 'blow-out". While the tire may not be

Tubed tires do have an advantage for low pressure use.  Because the air is
trapped in a seperate envelope, the tire being forced away from the rim
doesn't result in an instant flat.  This is a not uncommon way to get a
flat.  I assure you that it is a royal pain in pinkie to get a tire back
on the bead with out the use of compressed air.  (or highly expolsive
atmospheres, but we did that one already this year!)   

For almost anyother purpose modern tubeless tires are much nicer.  If you
have tube-type wheels, than you really should have tubed tires.  The
tubless variety can come off the bead under heavy lateral forces.  This is
sure to prove unfun.  

David

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From: "Piet Fourie : pah@saao.ac.za" <pah@saao.ac.za>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:37:10 +0200 (SAT)
Subject: Re: V8 Occaisonal missing

Hi

I had the same problem with my rangie.  The problem was two-fold.  1 Water
in the petrol.  Once that was sorted out the beast would do it when you
take you foot of the accelarator, that turned out to be the automatic
advance.

Hope this help.

Piet
1955 S1
1980 RR

P.A.H. Fourie   ( pah@saao.ac.za )
South African Astronomical Observatory.
P.O. Box 25 Sutherland 6920 South Africa.
Tel 023 5711135. Fax 023 5711413

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:16:36 EST
Subject: Re: blown bead

In a message dated 98-12-08 00:23:11 EST, you write:

 For almost anyother purpose modern tubeless tires are much nicer.  If you
 have tube-type wheels, than you really should have tubed tires.  The
 tubless variety can come off the bead under heavy lateral forces.  This is
 sure to prove unfun.  
 
 David >>
If you are running your tires at low pressures then tube type are a necessity.
You must , however, be careful because the low pressure makes the sidewall
even more prone to damage. I have had tubeless tires forced off the rim but
only while experiencing extreme unpleasantness with broken glass, body damage
etc. Tire inflation at that point was the least of my worries.

Bill Lawrence

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:56:51 +0200
Subject: Re: Speedometer

> Should this (speedo) cable be oiled?

It should have oil or grease in it.  I think the recommendation is to 
put several drops of oil down it from the speedo end when the 
cable's off.

All the best,

Andy

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:19:58 +0200
Subject: Re: blown bead

Bill wrote;

> Tubeless tires are superior because of the symptom described, 
ie. the tire
<snip>
# made for off- road use. These tires have a heavier sidewall and are
> therefore less prone to damage from rocks etc.

Why not just fit tubes to the "tubeless" tyres and be done with it?

Or use crossplies?

All the best,

Andy
andyg@sherco.co.za, '79RR

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From: "Andy Grafton" <andyg@sherco.co.za>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:06:49 +0200
Subject: Re: Tube or no tube

> Would running with tubes inside the tubeless
> tires have prevented this? I don't expect

Bill I tried running the tyres on Rangie tubeless, but found that off 
the road if I made the pressure less than 1.2 Bar I would often (like 
4 times before I learnt) lose the air in the tyre or the tyre off the 
rim...  The loss of air was undoubtedly due to hitting logs or other 
objects on the sidewall; mud and junk then got in the bead and it 
would no longer seal.

I fitted tubes all round and have not had a problem since.  I 
generally use 0.8-1.0 Bar for general off road work and as little as 
0.3-0.4 Bar in extremely soft sand.

I'd say if your tyres were at road pressure or above 1.5 Bar you 
were very unlucky to lose the air if there was no puncture...  If you 
regularly use low pressures then fit tubes so even if mud / water / 
sticks get in the bead you've still got air

All the best,

Andy
andyg@sherco.co.za, '79RR

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[spamkill: @yahoo\. input: %s]	 Return-Path: <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:26:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: VW in Talks with BMW re: Sale of Rover Group

Remember they also do Audi and Porsche, not to mention Rolls. Just
think of all the hybrid folks who will spend the next few months
talking about the possiblities of all the new engins they could now
use since they would now be Rover too. 
Smitty
---"Mark L. Freeman"  wrote:
 NPR reported this morning the VW is talking with BMW about a possible =
 sale of the Rover Group to VW.  The report said BMW denied the rumor.
 From the frying pan into the fire, Eh?
 Best Regards,
 Mark Freeman

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:30:27 -0500
Subject: Re: V8 Occaisonal missing

Re: Missing:

When was the last time you checked your fuel filters and system? This sounds not
unlike a fuel-starvation problem I was recently having.

Let me ask - does this happen under heavy acceleration?

                    ajr

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:04:25 -0000
Subject: Re: costs of fuel - Melbourne

Richard,
anything else I can do to cheer you up?
Wanna discuss cricket?  :-(>
Best Cheers

Frank
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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:19:46 -0000
Subject: Re: Petrol?

Hey that's really weird, here in the UK I can't find any gasoline, only
petrol.
What's going on? I think we should be told...
Best Cheers

Frank
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