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From: chsteven@aerotek.com
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:11:00 -0500
Subject: Head Gasket

We received a copper head gasket with the cylinder head rebuild kit for
my son's SIII. Any tips on installation? Specifically, is any time of
sealer needed?

Chris Stevens

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 98 07:31:53 -0800
Subject: Re: Head Gasket

>We received a copper head gasket with the cylinder head rebuild kit for
>my son's SIII. Any tips on installation? Specifically, is any time of
>sealer needed?
;
DO not put any kind of crease into the gasket, make sure that the correct 
side is up & retorque the head after running the engine for a few 
minutes. Follow torque order given in the manual, & do it at least twice. 
 For instance torque head down to 20 or 25 pounds then go over it again 
bringing it down to proper torque.  You want the gasket to compress 
evenly.

Things to check:  Head & block mating surfaces clean and flat, wires 
crossing under front of head not cought between lower thermostat housing 
& top rear water pump housing, lower thermostat housing & top rear water 
pump housing not touching after torque.

You do not need a sealer, but there is a high temperature spray on copper 
gasket sealent that wouldn't hurt.  Rover uses a composit gasket & I 
personally have had better luck with composits.  But the copper one is 
cheaper.

The head is heavy.  You have to set it down on top of the gasket without 
moving the gasket after you have lined it up.  This is a lot easier to do 
with two people.

Good luck

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "Bill Fishel" <bfishel@cisnet.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 22:28:24 -0500
Subject: RE: Headgasket

Hi Chris
I replaced the headgasket on my IIA 4 cyl. engine without using any sealer
and have 
had no problems. My manual recommended torquing down in three steps. The 
bigger 1/2 inch to 65 ft/lb and the smaller5/16 unf to 18 ft/lb. I don't
remember if 
it was this engine or another where it is possible to place the gasket
upside 
down and the bolts would line up but the water passage way was blocked off.

If you milled the head at all check for clearance at the water pump. Mine
was
cracked so I had it welded and milled with no clearance problem but you
never 
know.

Bill Fishel

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 07:15:07 -1000
Subject: Steering Track Rod and Relay Problems, POR15??

Aloha and happy "Biggest Shopping Day" folks.
spent a couple of hours yesterday removing more of the small bits from the
frame in preparation for the accident repair. Hit my first problem, steering
relay won't budge.  Removed the tie rod and track bar.  Then removed the two
arms from the relay.  Two bolts on top and four on the bottom, removed the
bottom ring.  I had been hitting it for a while with the penetrating oil but
the relay still will not budge.  I tried a trick I saw in LRW of using a
jack and pushing up from the bottom.  Of course it just lifted the whole
front of the vehicle off the ground.  I even went as far as chaining the
jack to the frame, no luck.  I had been using a block of wood to protect the
output shaft, and the chained jacking only pushed the block on the shaft so
I tried a large block of steel with a thin piece of plywood.  No luck.  I
was using a 3 ton trolley jack for this.  I also have a 20 ton bottle jack
on my press.  So far I have not used heat or an 8lb hammer I have.   Is heat
ok here?  Should I use the bottle jack?  I was even thinking about
disassembling the press and rebuilding it upside down around the front
crossmember, but I have a feeling that the four small bolts that hold the
top cover on the relay would let go first.  I just remembered I have a set
of steel cups with an OMC ball joint press.  I am pretty sure that there is
one that would fit over the shaft and rest on the relay it self, so maybe I
should just cut the member off the frame member and place it in the press,
and weld the member back on afterwards?
I guess that if it gets right down to it, the relay does not have to come
out in order for me to fix the frame, but I am doing allot of cleaning,
blasting, painting of parts prior to the rebuild so the vehicle will last
longer.  I thought it would be good to do the same with the relay so if it
ever does need replacing it would be easy to get out haha.

The track rod (goes from wheel to wheel) has a bend in it right where it
goes in front of the diff.  It makes about 170 degree angle so not much of
one.  When I was looking in the manual to see if I had missed anything on
the relay I noticed that the exploded diagram of the steering linkage shows
the track bar as being straight.  This is the same diagram as in all the
parts catalogs I have.  Is it supposed to be straight or just poor quality
diagrams?  This is a 1970, LHD, 88, IIa.

Has anyone used POR15 on the axle casings?  How well does it stand up or
would I just be wasting my time?
Mahalo
Pete

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:32:42 EST
Subject: Composite Head Gasket Q.

Hi all,

Do most of you retorque the composite head gaskets after warm up?  If you do,
do you slightly loosen the bolt before retorquing (static vs. dynamic torque
setting).

Thirdly, if most do retorque the composites, why are they called "non-
retorquing" type?

Nate

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 10:35:46 -0800
Subject: Re: Composite Head Gasket Q.

Whenever I have retorqued, I just retorqued and did not loosen them
first. If the composites specifically say non-retorquing than you
shouldn't have to retorque, but not all composites are non-retorquing,
so do make sure it says it.

Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88" truck cab

NADdMD@aol.com wrote:

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:03:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Composite Head Gasket Q.

Re: Retorquing:

This is a religeous argument if ever I saw one.....8*)

Personally, I retorque any and all head gaskets no matter what type they are.
Non-retorquing spells lazy mechanic to me. it's definitely more necessary with
the copper types, but composite can and does benefit from it too. The torque
change has to do with settling after operation - with newer types of gaskets it
supposedly happens less but that doesn't convince me.

As an example,during Mr. C's recent reassembly I tried an experiment. I torqued
the head cold, and marked 4 of the bolt heads as to their position on the block.
After warm-up, I retorqued and there was a definite shift of position.

Definitely loosen before retorquing, else the reading is innaccurate. Typical to
the foreign car mechanics I know, one of the recommended services on any Brit or
other foreign car engine after head work is a 500-mile retorque and valve
adjustment.

     aj"Got enough people torqueing my head around, thank'ee...."r

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:43:59 -0500
Subject: Left hand stalls

>Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod <tantramar@golden.net> wrote:

>I have this odd thing happening in that when I turn left I it
>hesitates/stalls but when I turn right everythings A-OK.   I've adjusted
>the float on the new Zenith, and no difference.  Any other possible
>reason for this happening?  It's a normal 2.25 engine in a 55 S1 (pardon
>the anomaly)

BTDT....Take a close look at the holes in the float arm where the shaft
passes through.  The brass in the newer Zenith floats is softer than the
shaft, so eliptical holes get worn in the float arm.  Turn one way and
stall (you actually drown out the engine), turn the other and its business
as usual.  A bugger of a problem to solve.  Get a float out of an older
Zenith.... Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
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From: "Bill Fishel" <bfishel@cisnet.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 01:57:21 -0500
Subject: RE: Subject: Steering Track Rod and Relay Problems, 

Hi Peter
I hope this isn't what's wrong BUT the second relay I 
did was rusted around the housing so bad it actually
split the tube part of the frame that it sits in. The rest 
of it was bulged out that no amount of pressing would
push it out. The frame was being replaced so I cut that 
section of frame out and tube section away from the 
relay. Made a real mess of it.

Bill Fishel 

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:26:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Toe-In ARRGH

Re: Tie rod ends:

Not PB Blaster - heat. Heat the bar up well, then twist and it should move. Been
here, done this, damn near machined a new one.....8*)

               ajr

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 22:22:00 -0000
Subject: Happy Holiday freom over the watere..
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Hi guys,
happy holiday and, I though you might like to learn more about your =
history from the point of view of some English schoolchildren.
I feel I have to add that these are not necessarily the brainiest in the =
country.......

During the Renaissance America began.
Christopher Columbus was a great navigator
who discovered America while cursing about
the Atlantic. His ships were called the Nina,
 the Pinta, and the Santa Fe. Later, the Pilgrims
 crossed the ocean, and this was called Pilgrim's
 Progress.
The winter of 1620 was a hard one for the
settlers. Many people died and many babies
were born. Captain John Smith was responsible
for all this.
One of the causes of the Revolutionary War
was the English put tacks in their tea. Also,
the colonists would send their parcels through
 the post without stamps. Finally the colonists
 won the War and no longer had to pay for taxis.
 Delegates from the original 13 states formed
the Contented Congress. Thomas Jefferson, a
 Virgin, and Benjamin Franklin were two singers
 of the Declaration of Independence. Franklin
discovered electricity by rubbing two cats
backwards and declared, "A horse divided against
 itself cannot stand.". Franklin died in 1790
and is still dead.
Soon the constitution of the United States
 was adopted to secure domestic hostility.
Under the constitution the people enjoyed the
right to keep bare arms.
Abraham Lincoln became America's greatest
Precedent. Lincoln's mothe died in infancy,
and he was born in a log cabin which he built
 with his own hands. Abraham Lincoln freed the
slaves by signing the Emasculation Proclamation.
 On the night of April 14, 1865, Lincoln went
to the theater and got shot in his seat by one
of the actors in a moving picture show. The
believed assinator was John Wilkes Booth, a
supposedly insane actor. This ruined Booth's
career.

Best Cheers

Frank
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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:45:09 -1000
Subject: Happy TG.

Aloha,
never did hear the end of your engine replacement.  Did it finally get all
together ok?
I just got done removing the stearing and front suspension for the 88.  The
axle housing is definately bent.  With the hubs locked, the RF side is very
hard to turn and makes a clicking noise.  Seems fine unlocked.  Also it is a
bear to lock.  So if the offer still holds let me know when you get a chance
to strip yours down.  If I have too I figure I can always put this one back
on and leave the hubs unlocked until I can fit a replacement.
Pete

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@ibm.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 19:02:09 +0100
Subject: Re: Tach on a diesel

wrote:

>Yes, a tach can be fitted to a Diesel, but the only ones I have ever
seen have
>either clocked off the alternator's AC signal or have been
mechanical and driven
>off the oil pump/camshaft.

>I'm sure such a thing is available aftermarket - just not sure where.

I have one that runs off the flywheel. It has a magnetic pickup that
mounts in a hole you drill and thread in the bellhousing. The passing
of a flywheel tooth causes a magnetic pulse to activate the tach. The
Perkins 4/203 can also have one mounted on the rear block face and
run by the camshaft (there's a small cover plate on the camshaft
housing that is removed in order to fit it.
Cheers.

Tom Rowe
Atlanta, GA

Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 14:58:23 -1000
Subject: Re: Happy TG.

Ooops, sorry 'bout the mis post
Pete

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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 21:59:42 -0500
Subject: RE: oil faqs

Happy holidays to all of you northwest of here.
A long time ago someone kindly shared a PDF file on oil faqs. I couldn't
read it at the time, the hard disk that I saved it to is history, and now I
can't remember who sent it. Is it possible to get another copy of the file?
TIA
Allan 

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <conseitl@sprint.ca>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 22:25:15 -0400
Subject: Test IGNORE!!

PING .......

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 22:16:45 -0600
Subject: Re: Headgasket

Hi Bill,
 Please reset your computer system clock or are you really emailing us
from 1994.

Thanks,
  Rob Davis_Chicago

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 18:59:13 -1000
Subject: Toro Overdrive Pictures

Aloha
Someone had recently mentioned that they had some pics of the toro OD that
they could email.  I would love to get a copy of them if they are still
available
Pete

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 20:16:29 +1100
Subject: Jacks

<< Sorry, but do you mean jack and fix a flat or lift it to fit larger
tires? >>
<Jack it up to fix a flat, wheels off the ground

This reminds me of a par in the Sydney Morning Herald this week.  An Aussie
in the USA had driven over a newly made bitumen road in Texas (I think).
He stopped at a service station and asked for something to get the tar (as
we call bitumen) off his car.

He as given a jack to remove the tyre.

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 11:20:32 +1100
Subject: SOV's

Roy Caldwell ( 46Q Army Photojournalist, Saudi Arabia 90/91, Bosnia 96/97)
wrote:

>My Hummer new, 4 door-canvas top, cost $26,250.  

They cost over A$100,000 (US$62K) in Australia.

Ron (technician, Saudi Arabia 1989)

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 01:47:07 EST
Subject: Re: Happy Holiday freom over the watere..

In a message dated 98-11-27 18:42:08 EST, you write:

<< During the Renaissance America began.
 Christopher Columbus was a great navigator
 who discovered America while cursing about
 the Atlantic. His ships were called the Nina,
  the Pinta, and the Santa Fe.  >>

...I'm sorry, but us Norwegians were here 900 years earlier than that Columbo
yahoo!

Charles Ragnar (no relation to the guy that writes those "Get Even" books, but
I wish I had his money) Irvin

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From: "2nd email bx/Rochna, Steve" <rover@mail.oasisol.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 98 00:01:10 PDT
Subject: misc

Hi again:

I figured I'd better repost with the new address.  If there is anyone out there 
heading to (or lives in the western US somewhere) the Nevada trophy who has a 
pickup top, tailgate and/or hatch they are willing to part with I'd like to 
hear from you.

Thanks - Steve

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