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From: Patrick Colbeck <pat.colbeck@esc.azlan.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 13:53:09 +0000
Subject: Minor Emergancy

Hi

I know I am an idiot but would be very gratefull if someone could help me out.
I pulled my distributor cap off and the Haynes manual wasn't in the back as it
usually is so if any one could fax me the order for the spark plug HT leads for
a V8 3.9 EFI I would be very greatfull (or if someone is good at ASCII art they
could mail me.

FAX (UK=44) (0)1904 692112

Thanks

Pat (feeling very dumb)

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From: Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod <tantramar@golden.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:03:26 +0000
Subject: Left Hand Stall

I have this odd thing happening in that when I turn left I it
hesitates/stalls but when I turn right everythings A-OK.   I've adjusted
the float on the new Zenith, and no difference.  Any other possible
reason for this happening?  It's a normal 2.25 engine in a 55 S1 (pardon
the anomaly)

When it happens, I immediately checked the level of gas in the carb, and
it was about 2/3-3/4 full.  Can I adjust it TOO far, so the level is too
high?  Or is there no where for the excess to go.....

Cheers, ian
-- 
Ian Harper/Donna Claire McLeod
http://www.golden.net/~tantramar
Tantramar House Bed and Breakfast
Stratford, Ontario
Phone(519) 273-7771  Fax (519) 273-3993

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From: robot1@juno.com
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 08:21:01 -0800
Subject: Happy turkey day!!!

hello, list, and a happy Thanksgiving to all; including those unwashed
heathens residing in countries too uncivilized to celebrate this holiday!
(OW! Just kidding- stop throwing stuff!!!!)

OK, the money's in the bank, I need someone to sell me a IIa bulkhead.
I'd go for almost anything, from a new galvanized one to a piece of trash
needing serious rebuilding. Please email me off list and let me know what
you got, what you want for it. 

OBTW, I just had my Kodiak core cleaned and repaired, cost me 30 bucks,
guy did basically a good job (though he did move the intakes a little
forcing some firewall mods). The first ten minutes baked some of the
paint off the heater box!!!!!! I believe all the suggestions are correct,
get it cleaned out and fix or eliminate the valve. I'm going to have to
put a valve in mine to keep from being baked to death. hey, suppose you
could cook a turkey in there?

Mark Hardig
Robot1@juno.com
Robot10@aol.com

1967 109 regular "Sheila", now running and a joy to drive. Well, not for
my back.

You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:40:30 EST
Subject: Re: Valves Adjusted

PTA equals Pakaluka (sp) Training Area on the Big Island.  Where troopers from
the 25th get to spend some pugatory time a couple of times a year (or at least
used to before the days of reduced training dollars).

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: William Leacock <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:40:08 -0500
Subject: Manuals

TW writes :  Green???  My set of genuine factory manuals have white covers.
Is this a 
different set?
Mine covers series II & IIA

The early manuals  for ser 2 and later 2 and 2A ( 1962 )   ( as were the ser
1 manuals and parts lists etc.)  were a single volume and came with a green
cover. Part No TP 199  several editions They  then changed to a white cover
( with green printing ) in Dec  1963 Part number 4611 TP 344A. Some time
after that it changed to the two part manual 66/67 ? Mine are 68 ish.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: William Leacock <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:54:18 -0500
Subject: Toe in adjust

One of the frequent problems associated with adjusting steering geometry is
siezed track rod threads.  A method I learned years ago ( from a diver
friend when were  trying to remove some parts of a shipwreck in the bottom
of the Atlantic  - where it's shallow ! ) is to hammer the screw thread on
the side. What I do is to move the clamp allong the tube, out of the way and
place a heavy object ( a block of metal or a large hammer  )  against side
of the track rod where the end fits in, then hammer the opposite side,  work
my way around the rod,  this tends to break free the siezed thread.  Often
had to do this with worn out ends, then if the assembly is removed one can
use an anvil as a shock absorber. This method saves lots of Stillson wrench
grooves in the tube. I strongly advise the use of anti sieze grease on
reassembly,  BUT ensure that the clamp grooves are clean and that the clamp
is effective on reassembly.
 Incidentally the two hammer shock method works very well for removing the
track rod from the taper lock. Simply remove the fixing nut and then using a
pair of similar weight hammers, strike both side of the steering arms
simultaneously, the emphasis is on the  simultaneously, otherwise the energy
is dissaptaed in bending or moving the arm. 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "Wise Owl Innovation Incorporated" <wiseowl@direct.ca>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 08:07:38 -0800
Subject: Re: Happy turkey day!!!

Where are you Mark? I can get you a firewall and will quote you to your
closest airport which has US Customs.  Ray
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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:40:27 EST
Subject: Re: leaking

In a message dated 98-11-25 20:01:54 EST, you write:

<< Luis, unscrew that little piece of crap and throw it away. You can make a
 better breather using brake flexable hoses and tubing. The flex hose should
 screw into the same hole. This is how I did mine (front and rear), no more
 clogging and almost no more leaking hubs. >>

Someone once said that the threads on the flexible brake tubing screw right
into the
axle case when you take the stock breather out.

Luis- Are you still leaking? 

God Bless America
Enzo

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From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:10:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Dreaded spring bushings with confusion

From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 98 06:51:23 -0800
Subject: Re: Dreaded spring bushings with confusion

>I don't want to get involved in any fights, but what is the green book?
I have a Hayes TR3-4 Manual that has a green cover.  Are you guys
refering to a Hayes LR manual?

I suspect that when most people are referring to the "green book" or "green
bible" they are referring to the big Series III Factory Service Manual
which came originally in an oversize 3-ring binder with a green vinyl
cover.  Years of use finally broke down the original binder for my service
manual, so I re-punched the holes in the pages and split the manual between
a pair of empty Sony professional TV service manual binders that we had
lying around at work.

The Series IIa Factory Service Manuals were a pair of white-bound books.  I
was fortunate to be able to buy a IIA Factory Service Manual set from a
fellow in Hawaii back in 1978 who had sold his Land Rover several years
earlier.  While I have a Series III, much of the information in the IIa
book is identical.  However, the real value of the IIa book is the
troubleshooting chart that is included at the end of each major section.
It lists symptoms, possible causes, and fixes.  For some reason, these
charts were eliminated from the Series III Factory Manual.  Anyone owning a
Series IIa or III would be well advised to get a copy of the 2-part Series
IIa manual, as the trouble shooting charts alone make it worth the cost in
my opinion.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

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From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:12:14 -0700
Subject: What is Green Bible?

From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 98 06:51:23 -0800
Subject: Re: Dreaded spring bushings with confusion

>I don't want to get involved in any fights, but what is the green book?
I have a Hayes TR3-4 Manual that has a green cover.  Are you guys
refering to a Hayes LR manual?

I suspect that when most people are referring to the "green book" or "green
bible" they are referring to the big Series III Factory Service Manual
which came originally in an oversize 3-ring binder with a green vinyl
cover.  Years of use finally broke down the original binder for my service
manual, so I re-punched the holes in the pages and split the manual between
a pair of empty Sony professional TV service manual binders that we had
lying around at work.

The Series IIa Factory Service Manuals were a pair of white-bound books.  I
was fortunate to be able to buy a IIA Factory Service Manual set from a
fellow in Hawaii back in 1978 who had sold his Land Rover several years
earlier.  While I have a Series III, much of the information in the IIa
book is identical.  However, the real value of the IIa book is the
troubleshooting chart that is included at the end of each major section.
It lists symptoms, possible causes, and fixes.  For some reason, these
charts were eliminated from the Series III Factory Manual.  Anyone owning a
Series IIa or III would be well advised to get a copy of the 2-part Series
IIa manual, as the trouble shooting charts alone make it worth the cost in
my opinion.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 08:14:33 -1000
Subject: Re: Unsprung vs sprung weight (was spring bushings)

>> I don't know if the E-Type's rear brake placement gives a big performance
>or handling >advantage, as no other cars that I'm aware of have adapted
>this practice.
>front of the 2CV Citroën
>also a great car.

Also a similar system is used on the HMMVV on both axles.  Dont think it
effects the handleing at all though
Pete

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 08:19:15 -1000
Subject: Re: Valves Adjusted

Gotchya,
Thanks.
After I put the project back together I am going to try and get on the
training areas up at Schofield.
Pete

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From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:27:40 -0700
Subject: Re: Tdi 300

From: SailorBob <sailorb@netvision.net.il>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 05:29:34 +0200
Subject: Tdi 300

>Is the Tdi 300 or similar engine availible in the US?

No.  No new diesel Land Rovers have ever been imported into the US except
the Series II and IIa models back in the 1950s and '60s.  People wanting a
diesel Land Rover can import a Series III (or older II or IIa) from the UK
or wherever as long as it's more than 25 years old.  To my knowledge, Land
Rover North America, the current Land Rover importer and distributor in the
US, has no plans to bring in diesel-powered Freelanders, new-model
Discoveries, or Range Rovers.  The US-spec Discoveries and Range Rovers
will, for the time being, be powered by the latest iteration of the
venerable Rover V-8, while the US-spec Freelander will have a V-6.  This is
too bad, in my opinion, because the new 5-cylinder diesel fitted to the
new-model Discovery is supposed to be an excellent powerplant, running much
quieter and cleaner than Rover's previous diesel engines.  Rumor has it
that the ex-GM Rover V-8 will soon be replaced with a 4.0 litre
BMW-designed and manufactured V-8, but for the time being Land Rover is
sticking with their own engine.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

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From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:43:18 -0800
Subject: Re: What is Green Bible?

C. Marin Faure wrote:

> The Series IIa Factory Service Manuals were a pair of white-bound books.

Just to add to the confusion the recent vol. 1 and 2 that I have are green :)

Jeremy

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From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:46:05 -0700
Subject: Hawaiian interstates

From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:53:33 -1000
Subject: Re: Valves Adjusted

>>How does one travel the "Interstate" Highways in Hawaii?

>I kinda wondered my self how come the Island of Oahu has 3 Interstate
highways.  The longest is maybe 20 miles.

Having grown up in Hawaii during the construction of the interstates (H-1,
H-2, and H-3), I can tell you how they came to be.  Calling them
interstates was the only way Hawaii could qualify for federal highway
money.  Although everyone knew the freeways weren't going to go between
states, it was a legal requirement to call them interstates.  H-1, which
took forever to build and my still be under construction for all I know,
runs east-west behind the city from Diamond Head to Pearl Harbor and
beyond.  H-2 branches off the H-1 near Pearl Harbor and runs up over the
island toward Schofield Army Barracks/Wahiawa and maybe beyond by now.  H-3
was a real boondoggle.  It was constructed on the north side of the island
and was intended to connect the lower tunnel thorugh the mountains (I can't
remember the name of that tunnel- the high one is the Pali Tunnel) to the
Kailua-Kaneohe area, which when I lived there was one of the fastest
growing residential areas on the island.  The only way the state could get
federal funds for the H-3 was to call it a "defense" interstate, which is
why it was laid out to run to the Kaneohe Marine Corps Air Station.  The
justification was that in case of national emergency, the freeway would
allow the marines to get to their base faster.  Construction of the H-3
began in the mid-1970s and then bogged down.  I suppose it's finished now,
but we used to use the completed but unused sections of the freeway to film
high-speed driving commercials for Toyota and Datsun (now Nissan).

Isn't it amazing the things you find out about on the Land Rover list....?

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

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From: "Brian G. Holmes" <b-sholmes@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 11:16:12 -0800
Subject: Green Bible

The green covered manuals are Brooklands Books reprints.
Cheers,
Brian

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:53:02 -0000
Subject: Re: sheep&mice

splines were so worn the grease wasn't taking up the slack any longer.
I dunno, they don't make things to last these days, it was only fifteen
years old that prop.

Best Cheers

Frank
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     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 21:59:59 -0000
Subject: Re: Mice

I dunno, maybe I was so cold and miserable I wasn't thinking clearly - to
introduce a subject like sheep to you lot WAS rather silly in retrospect.
(Tonight when I came home there was a sheep scratching its back on a
Mitsubishi Shogun front bumper - I daren;t think what you'll make of that
one)

So, thanks kind sirs those of you who said go ahead and get a trackball -
that's really what I wanted to hear , someone justifying the expense :-)>
and thanks to the others for the smiles.
( Jasper Carrott did his skit on moles)
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: Steve Rochna <75347.452@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:56:32 -0500
Subject: Misc.

Happy Thanksgiving all:

I just got the computer running after moving across the US so I'll vent the
questions that have built up while I was away.  Does anyone know the weight
of a 2.25 petrol vs. diesel?  Is there anyone going to the Nevada Trophy
who has a truck cab and/or a tailgate and/or hatch for the back you are
willing to part with?  Also if there is anyone cutting up a frame I could
use a non-mangles flywheel housing crossmember as I used mine to attempt to
move the planet.  I'm now located in Fallon, Nv. so a location in the
Western US is preferred. 

I'm not on the list yet so please e-mail direct.

Thanks - Steve

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From: Marc Rengers <mr@b4m.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 21:25:07 +0100
Subject: Re: spottings

Saw an early SIII in an article 'The PowerBook Field Guide' in the 
MacWorld (US version).
page 70

Marc Rengers
Westeremden, Holland
mr@b4m.com
0596-551334 (home)
050-3666761 (work)
06-51550521 (GSM)
06-59111461 (pager)
http://www.minerva.fk.hanze.nl/landrover/index.html

           --_                                --_         
      _____|__\___                    ________|__\___     
      | _  |   |_ |}                  |  _    |   |_ |}   
      "(_)"""""(_)"                   ""(_)"""""""(_)"
 1978 SIII 88" 2.25 diesel       1968  109"  SIIa 2.25 petrol
     reg. 47-DB-13                     reg. unknown    
      marine blue                 green (15 layers of paint)

also subscribed to LAND ROVER Owner International (great magazine)

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 98 13:10:58 -0800
Subject: Re: Manuals

>The early manuals  for ser 2 and later 2 and 2A ( 1962 )   ( as were the ser
>1 manuals and parts lists etc.)  were a single volume and came with a green
;>cover. Part No TP 199  several editions They  then changed to a white 
cover
;>( with green printing ) in Dec  1963 Part number 4611 TP 344A. Some time
;>after that it changed to the two part manual 66/67 ? Mine are 68 ish.
;>Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.

I'm impressed,  I guess this makes you the king of LR trivia.  Mine is a 
two volume white cover set that came with a '68 88 when I purchased it is 
'76.  

Take care

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 98 13:21:31 -0800
Subject: engine weights

Does anyone have weights for the 2-1/4L four cylinder and the LR 6 
cylinder engines??????

Thanks

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "Riaan Botes" <riaanb@iafrica.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 02:12:39 +0200
Subject: Diff Nos (cross posted)

Can someone possibly id the diff nos that are on my diffs.
All 3 are supposed to be Ser1 versions. The numbers don/t make sense nor can
I find anything like it in any of my workshop manuals. Could they be later
models manufactured in another country?

The rear diff is a semi floating version (90% confident)

F Diff #1		MG 20837
F Diff #2         2716|56T

R Diff		4512|5712

Riaan Botes
'96 Tdi 110 PU
'76 SIII 109 , 2.25l Petrol PU
'52 S1 80" LHD

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From: "Robert McCullough" <dieselbob@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:19:02 -0500
Subject: dreaded spring bushes
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 Haynes manual #529 Land Rover Diesel Series 2a and 3. Chapter 11,  page =
150-151. Section 2, sub-paragraph 12. refit the roadwheels and lower the =
vehicle to the ground. rock the vehicle from side to side to settle the =
springs and bushes and then fully tighten the shackle bolts and nuts to =
the torque settings given in the Specifications. spring shackle nuts and =
bolts.....60-70 lbf ft, 85-95 Nm. its over fellas'

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From: "david hope" <davidjhope@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 18:28:59 -0600
Subject: Upgrading a llA for the rough stuff

In southwest Missouri we are close to a lot of excellent off-road trails.
My dilemma is this.  I always prefer to venture off-road with other
experienced drivers. The number of Land Rovers around here is limited and
that means the number of times that we can get organized to venture off-road
each year is severely limited.  Also, when we do get around to it the
emphasis is on 'green-laning' rather than hard core trails.  This is sad
because we are missing some excellent opportunities.

The friendly local Jeepers love the tough trails.  The problem is that these
trails are a combination of very long steep slopes and loose wet small
rocks.  These are conditions that make the average 34 year Series llA with
an old engine and open differentials want to stay at home.  I know. Last
year even my Defender (since sold)failed on one these trips in Arkansas
because it lacked locking diffs.  The humiliation of being winched up a
steep wooded slope which 9 CJs had all completed was extreme.  This was
particularly aggravating when my old XXXX Wrangler with a 2.5  engine, two
locked diffs and all-terrain tires  had conquered the same slopes in earlier
years and similar conditions.

Now the dilemma.  Should I:

1. upgrade my llA in an effort to hold my own with the heavily modified
trailer queen Jeeps.  I would install a rebuilt 2.25 Land Rover engine,
which will have more power and 8:1 compression, and install a rear locking
diff.  Will this have the power to take on the loose, wet steep slopes
where the local engine of choice is a Chevy V8?

2. horror of horrors, buy a trail ready CJ5/7 for $3 to 4K and keep my llA
for green-lane trails with the local Land Rover club?

David Hope
64llA
96 Disco, never been off-road

PS Loss of traction due to poor tires is not the issue.  I ran my Defender
with aired-down 255/85 BFG mud-terrains.  My llA has the same tires in the
235/85 size

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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:31:25 EST
Subject: Re:  Upgrading a llA for the rough stuff

 David,
    Perhaps you should look into an underdrive.  The only thing I've found
that really needs lots of horsepower and wheelspin is deep mud.  The under
drive with lockers should get you anywhere.  Keep the LR on the tough stuff.
[spamkill: [Cc]redit [Cc]ard input: %s]	 Anyone can do it with a jeep and a 
credit card.  Rover drivers do it with

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:46:29 -0000
Subject: Re: SOV's

Roy,
would you mind mailing me off list at frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I !__|  [_]|_\___
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     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:48:46 -0000
Subject: Re: Happy turkey day!!!

you lot enjoy your turkey, I'll have a cup of tea (geddit?) :-)>

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I !__|  [_]|_\___   
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV 
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:51:20 -0000
Subject: Re: The lighter side of...

Paul,
can I use that in my column, with credit of course ?

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I !__|  [_]|_\___   
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV 
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:56:13 -0000
Subject: Re: I think I need a distributor???

It seems that some makes of coil (I've never actually catalogued which) just
do not like being upside down.
Many times over the last thirty years I've looked under the bonnet of a
non-standard motor (LRs and non) that has had a misfire and found the coil
positioned upside down. Replace (often just turn it the right way up but not
always) and problem solved.
Not a cure-all, but always worth looking at.
Best Cheers

Frank
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 20:15:28 -0000
Subject: Re: Heavy duty isn't always best (Bushing Madness)

You can't put it better than that.
I have heavy duty springs and shockers on my 110, but it's bl**d* heavy with
all the extra kit. The HD stuff just returns it to a 'normal' ride
The other argument against HD anything on a standard (or near as) weight
vehicle is : if you toughen up some bits where are all the shocks going to
go to? Possibly somewhere worse - not as easy to replace, or maybe even
dangerous.

KISS

Best Cheers

Frank
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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 20:52:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Upgrading a llA for the rough stuff

david hope wrote:

> In southwest Missouri we are close to a lot of excellent off-road trails.
> My dilemma is this.  I always prefer to venture off-road with other
> experienced drivers. The number of Land Rovers around here is limited and
> that means the number of times that we can get organized to venture off-road
> each year is severely limited.  Also, when we do get around to it the
> emphasis is on 'green-laning' rather than hard core trails.  This is sad
> because we are missing some excellent opportunities.
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> with aired-down 255/85 BFG mud-terrains.  My llA has the same tires in the
> 235/85 size

Unfortunately the most successful technique for climbing the wet loose gravel
you describe is lots of power in a high gear so that the wheels spin fast to gab
as many little bit of traction as they can. This is *not* what Land Rovers are
good at!
If you install lockers at both ends you will go along way though and a really
good engine with some tuning mods so that the power comes on higher up the rev
range will help a lot.
I know it sounds like blasphemy on this list but my Cherokee will climb like my
109 never even dreamed of. However when things get muddy it is a whole different
ball game.
On the plus side you may well be the one towing sick Jeeps home because these
highly modded CJ have a real bad habit of breaking unless they are superbly
built.
Do it and have fun.
    John and Muddy

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 00:44:06 -0000
Subject: Re: Dreaded spring bushings with confusion

I know its easy to speak (write then) from a position of strength here in
the UK but I would not consider working on any Land Rover product without a
parts manual either. I have always kept mine so I have Range Rover, Ser3 and
110 now.
The exploded diagrams really help to explain some of the more difficult
instructions in the green/white/orange/grey books.
If some of you travellers to the UK want to take home something in the hand
luggage that is really worth its weight in gold, pick up a parts manual from
the LRO bookshop when you're over here.

and just to really p*ss you off you 'old' British car fans over there. I
regularly pick up workshop manuals for collectors cars (Morris Minor, Mini,
Jaguar 2.8S, Triumph sports etc etc) for a UK£ or two from charity shops.
(Shops owned by charity organisations which sell old books, clothes etc
donated by members of the public)

Best Cheers

Frank
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     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Wise Owl Innovation Incorporated" <wiseowl@direct.ca>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 18:32:30 -0800
Subject: Re: The prince is back

Michael for some reason your phone is 'not in service'. Full page ad for AW
mailed today-print it sideways. Please advise how big a cheque to send. Ray
Wood
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From: "Kevin and Crew" <willeys@cyberus.ca>
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 22:31:27 -0500
Subject: amps in the fuse
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of course there are more amps in the ceramic fuse. amps are nocturnal =
types. in the dark they become protons and fly away to play in the =
world.  that is why you can't see the light in the day, they are afraid =
and won't come out and play.  can't convince them either, talk nice to =
your lights all day, and you can't get as many out as you do after dark. =
 i really gotta find more to do with my time...
oh does a bushing grow up to be a treeing
Kevin Willey
1996 disko (edith),
1973 lightwieght,
1987 Merlin, 1998 True North soft tail(full boing)
Hummers hum but Land Rovers know the words !

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