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From: Norman Lewis <norm@kpco.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 07:46:23 -0700
Subject: Re: PCV system

Actually, it is quite likely that the PCV system on this '64 is
original, as it was the 1964-1965 period when Rover added the PCV system
to North American vehicles.

Norm Lewis
________________________  
> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:42:44 EST
> Subject: Re: PCV system
> In a message dated 11/25/98 8:33:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> davidjhope@email.msn.com writes:
> > I am going through a few small maintenance jobs on my 64llA.
> >  I have a question about what I think is called the PCV valve assembly

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> the oil filler tube and the valve cover.
> Nate

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From: Henry Cole Stage III <wxgage@erols.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 10:20:16 -0500
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

owner  the Atlantic. His ships were called the Nina,
>   the Pinta, and the Santa Fe.  >>
> ...I'm sorry, but us Norwegians were here 900 years earlier than that Columbo
> yahoo!
> Charles Ragnar 

Maybe so, Charles, but you did you guys get to use the diner car or
sleeper like on the Sante Fe??  And talk about sheer horspower, that old
F unit beats the cr*p out of any land rover OR viking ship!  Floatation
is another matter all together...personally, I'm still mad about tacks
im my tea!

Cole
Hefelump herdsman

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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 11:25:33 -0400
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Henry Cole Stage III wrote:

> owner  the Atlantic. His ships were called the Nina,
> >   the Pinta, and the Santa Fe.  >>
> > ...I'm sorry, but us Norwegians were here 900 years earlier than that 
Columbo
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> > yahoo!
> > Charles Ragnar
> Maybe so, Charles, but you did you guys get to use the diner car or
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> Cole
> Hefelump herdsman

It was claimed later that the tacks came to get in the tea accidently. They fell
out of the sails of the ships as they attempted to come into Boston harbour 
against
the prevailing westerly wind.   ( a little east coast nautical humour )
  John and Muddy

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <conseitl@sprint.ca>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 11:35:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Tacking...was...

> It was claimed later that the tacks came to get in the tea accidently.
They fell
> out of the sails of the ships as they attempted to come into Boston
harbour against
> the prevailing westerly wind.   ( a little east coast nautical humour )
>   John and Muddy
>.
So that's where the term 'tacking' came from in sailing. LR content---A
little deeper with in the lake the last trip and I would have been
'tacking' to get out!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"
 

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From: kiotee@mcn.net (Roy Caldwell)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 10:02:25 -1000
Subject: Re: SOV's

Ron,  The civilian versions here start at about that and go up.  Mine was
basic army issue.  Glad I didn't have to directly pay the cash for it.  My
driver, user evauluation is that at 26 they are overpriced for a combination
of old and questionable new solutions to the old question of 4 X 4 driving.
Be that as it may;  the vast majority of the army is pleased as punch with
the things.  I can say that in an army hummer, if you get it stuck, it was
probably driver error.

Roy

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From: Winn Bearden <wbearden@americus.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:49:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Extra heaters

Kirk,
    This is what I did in my rig.  I took the small square Smiths heater and
mounted it under the bonnet to run the defroster only.  Then I went to my
local salvage yard and found a BF heater out of a 1961 Ford van.(the ones
with the engine behind the seats.)  This unit is completely self- contained
with the core, fan, and controls all in one box.  It even had a temp control
integrated in the inlet pipe to the core but it was rotten so I measured the
core and went to the local parts store and found a close replacement.  Then
I mounted it on the rear bulkhead between the seats, ran heater hoses with a
shutoff behind the seat where it is easily accessable.  Then I got a hole
saw and 3" flexible duct and ran the duct down to the footwells.  This unit
blows a hell of a lot of air at a toe-toasting temp!  I can also flip a
lever on the box and send heat to the back of the truck.
    Well, I finally got the hybrid put back together enough to drive it
everyday!  Drove it to Atlanta and back (first long-distance trip) last week
and it didn't miss a beat!  Interstate driving is rough on it though, even
with an overdrive it was really wound up keeping pace with the other
traffic. I guess 4.77 gears in a drivetrain designed for 3.54's makes a big
difference.
    One thing is puzzling me though.  On the trip to Atlanta,  the
drivetrain was howling and whining so bad my ears could hardly stand it.  On
the way back, it started quieting down to a respectable level.  Could this
be from just lack of driving?  It sat almost a year while a fabricated the
odd-sized top and replaced panels and painted it. Or is it just lulling me
into a false sense of security before a major drivetrain calamity?
    I've got a few pics on my homepage and adding more as time permits.  The
address is http://www.americus.net/~wbearden if anyone wants to look.

Kirk Hillman wrote:

>     I am very interested in knowing what specific heaters all of you
> have installed as extra heaters.  Aftermarket, scrap yard?

--
Winn Bearden
P.O. Box 464            19?? RR/SIIA/SIII 100" Hybrid (almost finished)
Americus, GA 31709     1967  NADA 109" SW (almost rusted sway)
912-924-6513 (H)         1995 RR County  Classic
912-942-3855 (CELL)

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:03:47 -1000
Subject: Re: SOV's

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:13:56 -1000
Subject: Re: Extra heaters

Aloha Winn,
>local salvage yard and found a BF heater out of a 1961 Ford van.(the ones
>with the engine behind the seats
does this mean Big F'ing or is it a name?

>    I've got a few pics on my homepage and adding more as time permits.
The
>address is http://www.americus.net/~wbearden if anyone wants to look.
>Winn Bearden
>P.O. Box 464            19?? RR/SIIA/SIII 100" Hybrid (almost finished)

What size tyres is on the 100"?  And did you get the hybrid here in the
States or ship it from overseas?
Pete

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:35:09 -1000
Subject: Re: SOV's

>the things.  I can say that in an army hummer, if you get it stuck, it was
>probably driver error.

During the swap out of the old M151 Ford built jeeps we got deployed to the
Fulda Gap, heading out with a 50/50 mix of jeeps/Hummers.  I was driving a
Hummer loaded down with ammo resupply, following the 1SG in his jeep with
chow (beans and bullets can't go on the same truck, don't ask) one morning.
Jeep goes down a hill, through a small clearing and up the other side.
Hummer goes down the hill, in the clearing and sinks to the top of the
wheels in goo.  Took two M113 APC's to tow it free.  I have since put tons
of miles on the Hummer and they are amazing.  But sometimes there is
something good to say about a real small light weight 4x like our Rovers
(content haha).  It's been a while but I think the old M151's had a total
weight of only 1500lbs.
Pete

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:39:30 -1000
Subject: Re: PCV system and California Emissions

Speaking of emissions.
My 1970 88 was originally a California spec vehicle.  I have a box with the
emissions stuff that came off including the purge canister.  Anyone have a
picture or diagram of how this was plumb?  Not planning on reinstalling as
the vehicle is more then 25 years old and will be emissions exempt when we
leave here and go back to CA.  Just thought it would be nice to know and
have incase I sell her (VERY unlikely after the amount of time it looks like
it's gonna take to get her back on the road).
Speaking of CA, someone is trying to tell me that there is a one time
importation fee of 750$ to bring a vehicle into the state.  Any truth to
this?
Pete

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From: Winn Bearden <wbearden@americus.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:42:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Extra heaters

Peter,
    Someone shipped it from the U.K. in the truck cab form.  It was made from
a SIII LWB truck that was shortened.  I assume that it or it's chassis
competed at some point in time in the U.K. because of some rollcage vestiges
left on the frame.
    As for the heater, I meant Big F**kin'!  The tires are 245/75R16 I think.
I need some wider rims for these tires, though. They are bowed in the middle
of the tread because these are 5.5 in rims, off of an early 90 I believe.
SWMBO's 95 RR has a wide Disco steel rim for a spare, if I could find three
more I'd be doing great! I asked the folks at  LR Northpoint in Atlanta if
they had some spares, but they said that if any LR's come into the states with
steel rims, they are removed at the port at Brunswick(Savannah), GA.
    Just added about five more pictures a few minutes ago.

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From: William Leacock <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:50:51 -0500
Subject: Head gasket

Chris Stevens writes :We received a copper head gasket with the cylinder
head rebuild kit for
my son's SIII. Any tips on installation? Specifically, is any time of
sealer needed?

Yes, change it for a fibre one, the fibre type do not need to be re torqued
after a few hundred miles.
 Rover recommend the use of SQ32 M Hylomar, a non hardening sealer. Old
mechanic types use a coating of grease.
 Seriously, nothingh wrong with the copper type, other than the ned to re
torque the head after a few hundred miles.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: Winn Bearden <wbearden@americus.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:56:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Extra heaters

Peter,
    Someone shipped it from the U.K. in the truck cab form.  It was made
from
a SIII LWB truck that was shortened.  I assume that it or it's chassis
competed at some point in time in the U.K. because of some rollcage
vestiges
left on the frame.
    As for the heater, I meant Big F**kin'!  The tires are 245/75R16 I
think.
I need some wider rims for these tires, though. They are bowed in the
middle
of the tread because these are 5.5 in rims, off of an early 90 I
believe.
SWMBO's 95 RR has a wide Disco steel rim for a spare, if I could find
three
more I'd be doing great! I asked the folks at  LR Northpoint in Atlanta
if
they had some spares, but they said that if any LR's come into the
states with
steel rims, they are removed at the port at Brunswick(Savannah), GA.
    Just added about five more pictures a few minutes ago.

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 02:48:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Head gasket

The three bearing engines were fitted with copper asbestos gaskets. Diesel and
petrol gaskets are different. The diesel should be coated with sealant, the
petrol is fitted dry.Both types are marked petrol or diesel on its top suface
Five bearing engines are fitted with rigid fabric gaskets which may also be
used on three bearing engines, again petrol and diesel are marked on the top
and both types of this fabric gasket must be fitted dry.This information comes
from the Rover training manual.for 4 cyl.engines.

> Yes, change it for a fibre one, the fibre type do not need to be re torqued
> after a few hundred miles.
>  Rover recommend the use of SQ32 M Hylomar, a non hardening sealer. Old
> mechanic types use a coating of grease.
>  Seriously, nothingh wrong with the copper type, other than the ned to re
> torque the head after a few hundred miles.
> Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
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> Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
>  88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR

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From: Winn Bearden <wbearden@americus.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 14:49:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Extra heaters

Peter,
    Someone shipped it from the U.K. in the truck cab form.  It was made
from a SIII LWB truck that was shortened.  I assume that it or it's
chassis competed at some point in time in the U.K. because of some
rollcage vestiges left on the frame.
    As for the heater, I meant Big F**kin'!  The tires are 245/75R16 I
think.
I need some wider rims for these tires, though. They are bowed in the
middle of the tread because these are 5.5 in rims, off of an early 90 I
believe. SWMBO's 95 RR has a wide Disco steel rim for a spare, if I
could find three more I'd be doing great! I asked the folks at  LR
Northpoint in Atlanta if they had some spares, but they said that if any
LR's come into the states with steel rims, they are removed at the port
at Brunswick(Savannah), GA.
    Just added about five more pictures a few minutes ago.

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 14:52:43 -0500
Subject: Head gaskets

Chris Stevens wrote:

>We received a copper head gasket with the cylinder head rebuild kit for
>my son's SIII. Any tips on installation? Specifically, is any time of
>sealer needed?

None...other than *oil* both sides of the gasket.  I don't know if you have
to go to this length, but it came back to haunt me when i rebuilt an olf
F-head on my sailboat: retorque four times...I only did it once...and went
through the whole replacement process again a few weeks later. :-(  Torque
when installed, fire it up - just to see that it does, and do it again.
Then let it come up to operating temp and do it again, lastly a week or so
later.  Pro'lly with the Rover, you only need to do it twice. 

One other tip...find a suitable bolt that has threads like the head bolts.
Cut the heads off.   Screw 'em into head...just finger tight/loose  Now,
when you lower the head into place, these two will act as a guide and keep
the gasket from squirming out of place.  Cheers
 Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
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  |                                                   |
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  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: Winn Bearden <wbearden@americus.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 15:17:05 -0500
Subject: extra heaters

    This is my third attempt at replying. The Major must not like me.
The hybrid was shipped in from the U.K. It is a SIII LWB shortened to
fit the 100" wheelbase.  It or it's chassis at one point in time
competed because of the rollcage vestiges left on the frame.
    As for the heater, BF meant really big, not a name brand.  The tires
are 245/75R16, I believe.  The rims are too narrow, though.  The tread
is bowed because of it.  SWMBO has a Disco steel rim spare in her 95 RR,
if I could find three more it would be great!  I asked at LR Northpoint
in Atlanta if they had any lying around, but they said that if any LR's
do come into the States with steel, they are replaced with alloys at the
port (Brunswick, GA).

--
Winn Bearden
P.O. Box 464            19?? RR/SIIA/SIII 100" Hybrid (almost finished)
Americus, GA 31709     1967  NADA 109" SW (almost rusted sway)
912-924-6513 (H)         1995 RR County  Classic
912-942-3855 (CELL)

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 15:39:40 EST
Subject: Re: PCV system and California Emissions

In a message dated 98-11-28 13:41:23 EST, you write:

<< Speaking of CA, someone is trying to tell me that there is a one time
 importation fee of 750$ to bring a vehicle into the state.  Any truth to
 this?
 >>

There is something like that for new vehicles that are brought in from another
state (where it was originally registered), but I think they call it an
"emission" fee, because Kalifornia has it's own (even more stringent)
emissions regulations, that newer cars sold here must comply with.

A SIII shouldn't get hit with this fee.

Charles

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 17:20:04
Subject: sov?

>Roy Caldwell ( 46Q Army Photojournalist, Saudi Arabia 90/91, Bosnia 96/97)
>wrote:
>>My Hummer new, 4 door-canvas top, cost $26,250.  
>They cost over A$100,000 (US$62K) in Australia.
>Ron (technician, Saudi Arabia 1989)

Lots of old Santana and Landy parts at all junk yards in the Kingdom. I
even sent some home.

Jim Wolf 
Superintendent of Water Droduction (DESAL)
Jiddah 1981-83, Dhahran 1983-85
Do I ever miss the cash!!!!

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:09:55
Subject: horn buttton 

This is a call for the SIIA horn button (plastic about 2" in dia.). I don't
need the whole steering wheel, I have finally gotton hold of a SII wire
wheel in good shape. The only part not fixable is this horn button, I would
be interested in the whole center horn assy. I haven't started  checking
with the usual suspects, ie RN, BA, BP, BBG etc. to see if this is still
avalible new or used only.

Jim Wolf

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From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 22:23:46 -0000
Subject: Re: Happy Holiday freom over the watere..

Hmm,
Charles,  you do not need to convince me since it was a hulking Viking
Warrior who started my family line..

For my own sake I'm rather glad he stopped off in England rather than
carrying on to North America

Best Cheers

Frank ELSON
    +--+--+--+
     I !__|  [_]|_\___
     I ____|"_|"__|_ | /     B791 PKV
     "(o)======(o)"    Bronze Green 110 CSW

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From: "Benjamin Freeman" <bfreeman@olynet.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 15:57:04 -0800
Subject: Land Rover colors and associated vehicles?
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Help, I'm employed by a automotive paint jobber "Sherwin Williams" Oh, I =
am a proud Land Rover owner as well, I've owned a total of nine so far. =
But back to my research. For the last year I have been digging through =
Sherwin Williams old archives for color samples and formulas' for Land =
Rover colors '48-Present however I have quite a few missing gaps of data =
(ie. which colors are associated with which vehicles) this is were I =
need most of my help with. So does any one have any information =
available. I can translate some other companies color numbers. I'm also =
in need of British Military colors as well. As my employer does custom =
loading of spray cans and paint for people all over the world. As of =
this week I'm in the process of doing a 1960 SII Land Rover Firefly Fire =
Engine. SO as any of you can guess I would love anything and everything, =
especially samples.
Sincerely yours,
Benjamin J. Freeman
1715-Aberdeen Ave.
Aberdeen, WA 98520
bfreeman@olynet.com

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:23:33 EST
Subject: Dizzy Blues

Hi all,

Tried firing up the Brick today (rebuilt engine, rebuilt tranny, new
overdrive). Starter turned but no ignition.  To keep it brief, it appears that
the dizzy was off by about 45 degrees.  

Not knowing any better, a couple weeks ago, I had asked at RN (the new guy) if
one could put in the drive by varying degrees--he assured me that the master
key keeps it from being put in more than about 4 ways (ie one could be off 90,
180 or 270 degrees)  I now believe this is wrong...I think one can be off by
far less than 90 degrees--true?

Finally, it appears I have it all back in right but at TDC it looks like the
rotor points somewhere between 1 and 2 cylinder (but in the general direction
of cyl 1)  is this close enough?

Nate

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 20:53:01 -0600
Subject: Good tach/dwell meter?

My old craftsman dwell/tach meter bit the dust and I am need of a
replacement.  A few months ago some of you refered to a good meter that was
supposed to be the cat's ass.  Can any of you recommend a good meter/

Cwolfe

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From: "2nd email bx/Rochna, Steve" <rover@mail.oasisol.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 98 20:45:00 PDT
Subject: Rockers

All:

I've recently installed a factory rebuilt 2.25 in an 88 and from the first 
startup it has had a ticking at the top of the engine.  I adjusted the tappets 
both 
hot and cold being careful not to get them too tight. The ticking was still 
there.   After about 3500 miles I've discovered that it appears that it is 
caused 
by the rockers having excess play on the pivot rod.

Some of you must have had experience with this.  I know RN sells rocker bushes. 
 Is this what they are for?  Is there a way to tell if it is the rocker vice 
the rod without taking the thing completely apart?

Thanks - Steve

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From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:49:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: SOV's

 But sometimes there is
 something good to say about a real small light weight 4x like our
Rovers
 (content haha).  It's been a while but I think the old M151's had a
total
 weight of only 1500lbs.
 Pete

The biggest part of the weight savings were the seats. Try to think
back and remember what an M151 did for your lower back if you were
crazy enough to hang on for the ride.....:-)
Smitty

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 19:59:33 -1000
Subject: Re: SOV's

>t's been a while but I think the old M151's had a
>total
> weight of only 1500lbs.
> Pete
>The biggest part of the weight savings were the seats. Try to think
>back and remember what an M151 did for your lower back if you were
>crazy enough to hang on for the ride.....:-)
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>crazy enough to hang on for the ride.....:-)
>Smitty

LMAO.
Seats??? What seats??? The driver sat ON the gas tank for C***** sake.
Peted

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From: "f.geerts" <fgeerts@hetnet.nl>
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:38:01 +0100
Subject: picture of a 109 sIIa

I am looking for a good picture of a 109 sIIa
Can someone help me
Thanks

 Frank Geerts http://www.freeyellow.com/members5/geerts/

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From: "f.geerts" <fgeerts@hetnet.nl>
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:41:11 +0100
Subject: picture 109 SIIa

I am looking for a picture of a good 109 SIIa
Who can help
Thanks

 Frank Geerts http://www.freeyellow.com/members5/geerts/

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