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From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:33:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Alternate Land Rover Engines DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote: > (4.92l) inline six. Plenty of power, common as dirt , parts easy to find in > North America. This is a real truck engine. And heavy as hell! Johnand Muddy - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:41:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Hub nut! Olafur Agust Axelsson wrote: > So the nut should be tightened a bit! - Ok that makes sense! - but I > still felt that the axle didnt go into the diff far enough - only a few > millimeters - I took the replacement axle from a ´73 SWB S3 - They both > have - I think its called Rover type axle housing! - at least it looked > the same! - Is it possible that the axles are diffrent - the S3 axle > being a bit shorter What makes you think the axle shaft didn't go in far enough? All the series axles were the same length, needing one short and and one long shaft. The nut on the end is to hold it firm in the driver so that the splines don't wear. If the driver is in place and bolted correctly then the axle shaft has to be in the diff correctly. John and Muddy - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Marc Rengers <mr@b4m.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:47:48 +0100 Subject: re: Tires and T/X gears? >Note the need to change the T/X box gear to retain real miles, or km. >Allan What gear needs to be changed? I thought it was the speedometer which makes the difference? Marc Rengers Westeremden, Holland mr@b4m.com 0596-551334 (home) 050-3666761 (work) 06-51550521 (GSM) 06-59111461 (pager) http://www.minerva.fk.hanze.nl/landrover/index.html --_ --_ _____|__\___ ________|__\___ | _ | |_ |} | _ | |_ |} "(_)"""""(_)" ""(_)"""""""(_)" 1978 SIII 88" 2.25 diesel 1968 109" SIIa 2.25 petrol reg. 47-DB-13 reg. unknown marine blue green (15 layers of paint) also subscribed to LAND ROVER Owner International (great magazine) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:19:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Doesn't include 12k attachment. Paul in case you haven't figured it out the Major gets severe diahorrea when presented with attachments. They just don't work. I believe this is to prevent large unwanted files being sent to the whole list. If you would like some one to share your mirth please send the GIF to me privately. John and Muddy - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "HENRY STAGE"<henry.stage@smtp.cnet.navy.mil> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:30:51 -0600 Subject: KODIAK HEATER Hello all, Has anybody from the great frozen regions tried a Kodiak on a RHD rover? As I recall, they were built for LHD canadian models (gotta watch those evil frostbacks, don't ya know! ;) My ambulance has two small heater cores, one in back which keeps things wonderfully toasty and one between the front seats, which, in a word, sucks. The front core actually works just fine, but to defrost the air has to cross the floor boards up the bulkhead, to grandma's house, etc, finally to puff on the windscreen. Big problem is when defrosting, no heat to driver and passenger. If it is raining and you need the defrost rather constantly, you freeze your little (or big, as the case may be) patootie off. Someone mentioned on the list the little ceramic 12v heater that plugs into the dash for defrosters. Are they worth the 20 bucks? Any suggestions would be helpful as I have a very long drive ahead of me this christmas and would like to arrive without my hands frozend to the wheel. cole stage Hefelump herder - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: jimfoo@uswest.net Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:50:07 -0800 Subject: Re: KODIAK HEATER I just recently bought one of the ceramic heatersto help defrost my windscreen. It works at least as well, if not better than my Smith's shin roaster for defrosting, plus it works much sooner. One point however, if you get one, you should wire it on it's own circuit with a fuse because it draws quite a bit of current. I would guess 15 amps, but I could be wrong as it doesn't say anywhere I can find. If you use existing wiring, it starts getting quite warm. I used a piece of pipe strap to bolt mine around the driver's side wiper motor, which seems to work just fine. I think it's worth the money. Jim Hall Elephant Chaser 1966 88" truck cab HENRY STAGE wrote: Hello all, Has anybody from the great frozen regions tried a Kodiak on a RHD rover? As I recall, they were built for LHD canadian models (gotta watch those evil frostbacks, don't ya know! ;) My ambulance has two small heater cores, one in back which keeps things wonderfully toasty and one between the front seats, which, in a word, sucks. The front core actually works just fine, but to defrost the air has to cross the floor boards up the bulkhead, to grandma's house, etc, finally to puff on the windscreen. Big problem is when defrosting, no heat to driver and passenger. If it is raining and you need the defrost rather constantly, you freeze your little (or big, as the case may be) patootie off. Someone mentioned on the list the little ceramic 12v heater that plugs into the dash for defrosters. Are they worth the 20 bucks? Any suggestions would be helpful as I have a very long drive ahead of me this christmas and would like to arrive without my hands frozend to the wheel. cole stage - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "HENRY STAGE"<henry.stage@smtp.cnet.navy.mil> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:43:25 -0600 Subject: relief expedition Having been involved in military operations for relief I would like to commend those that would like to lend a hand. Advice: stay out of the way while the big NGO's (non-gov't organizations) are on the ground re; red cross, et. al. They really have a hard time as it is and cannot cope with any extra burdens. If you really want to do some serious good right there, right now, join the National Guard and go down and rebuild the roads, or send a check to the red cross. Where you can be the best help is in about 4-6 months from now when all the media hype as moved its attention elswhere and there is still much, much more to be done. Take the advice posted earlier to heart: pick a village, a church, or a local charity and go down and do that one concentrated bit of good. That will take one more thing off the list of the big org's and you will make some small part of the universe a better place to be. That is all, in the cosmic scale of things, that anybody could ever hope to accomplish in a lifetime. Vaya con Dios (of your choice, of course), cole Hefelump herder - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
[digester: Removing section of: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; ] From: "Wilson, Scott" <Scott.Wilson@viacom.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:40:26 -0500 Subject: RE: relief expedition I'm forwarding this to the coil list... seems like there was someone on there who was planning to do just this... a march-april trip down there and he knew someone who worked for a mission or something... someone that could actually use a little help. I can't find the original email, though. -Scott > Having been involved in military operations for relief I would like > to > commend those that would like to lend a hand. Advice: stay out of > the > way while the big NGO's (non-gov't organizations) are on the ground > re; red cross, et. al. They really have a hard time as it is and > cannot cope with any extra burdens. If you really want to do some [ truncated by list-digester (was 25 lines)] > cole > Hefelump herder ------_=_NextPart_000_01BE0E52.C4D4F3F0 [digester: Removing section of: Content-Type: application/ms-tnef ] [Attachment removed, was 51 lines.] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:50:35 -0600 Subject: RE: Class action cr*p >>>>> "Clayton" == Clayton Kirkwood <kirkwood@garlic.com> writes: Clayton> ( McDonald's hot coffee lawsuit is a perfect Clayton> example: only an idiot would buy *hot* coffee, but it Clayton> between their legs while driving, squeeze it or spill it, Clayton> and feel that they have a reason to sue McD.s for not Clayton> warning them that they could be scaulded by said hot Clayton> liquid. OK, just to set the record straight. She didn't drive away. She pulled up to park in the waiting area for the rest of her order. In addition, she sued only for her medical costs, the punitive damages were added by the judge. It's not mitigating, but if you're going to argue cases, the facts are relevant. And for what it's worth, there were two other cases (one before, one after) where the coffee was spilled in the restaurant sitting at a table. Don't ask why I know this (or care). -MM - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Steve Mace" <steve@solwise.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:37:49 -0000 Subject: LR Schematics again!! I don't know if you remember but I posted an enquiry on the list for sites giving parts diagrams for LR's. Nobody came back but I've managed to find the site anyway from my bookmark list. If anyones interested then http://mail.threewa.co.uk/4x4centre/findex.html is the site. Seems to have diagrams of all of the dirty bits of most LR's. Most useful. Steve Steve Mace 1972 SIII LtWt 1993 D90 In the UK Name: Dr Steve Mace E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk www: http://www.solwise.co.uk Tel: +44 1482 473899 Fax: +44 1482 472245 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Clayton Kirkwood" <kirkwood@garlic.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:09:39 -0800 Subject: RE: Class action cr*p Just because I don't glean all of the facts doesn't mean my point is wrong. Accidents happen, take responsibility, think a little. Hot things burn. If you don't want to get burnt, don't obtain hot items. When I was a kid (boyscouts), I put a number of matches in my pocket. While walking along they rubbed together igniting several heads. Ouch, that hurt. Should I have sued for my stupidity? Or should I take responsibility for my actions. The manufacturer shouldn't have to label the box and each match with words for all of the forseeable and unforseeable crises which might take place. If you make mods to your rover and have an accident related to said mods, is it fair to sue Rover/BMW because they didn't warn you not to put a certain doohickey on your car as a mod? Some people (many???) seem to believe that they don't have to think and be responsible: just sue if things don't go the way you want!!!! Clayton Kirkwood (916) 663-2368 kirkwood@garlic.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Willyz@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:41:32 EST Subject: "Classic" of "Antique" insurance coverage for LRs Awhile back during the "nobody drives their LR's enough" discussion, a few people mentioned that they have what I think they called classic or antique insurance on their rovers. Can anybody point me towards the companies they use for these policies. As always, thanks in advance. TJW-keep it Rover! Don't know why, just seems right. Have a great weekend all. Can K-State beat Nebraska? Bill Kaszer Series III Manhattan, KS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "David Hope" <davidjhope@email.msn.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:33:58 -0600 Subject: Ammeter fluctuations I've seen a couple of recent posts regarding wildly fluctuating ammeter gauges. I had the same problem after I had mine rebuilt. I checked with the rebuilder and he said this is normal although it is possible to tighten something in the back of the gauge to reduce the fluctuation. However, I was warned that this can lead over time to the gauge only moving over a very small range. So, I have opted to leave my ammeter fluctuating over a wide range. Apparently that is how it is meant to work. One thing I did do, on Bill Adams's advice, was clean up all the terminals. This seemed to help. David Hope 64llA - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Lodelane@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:57:37 EST Subject: Chilton Manuals Got a note from another list the other day about book availabilites. Of note was that Chilton's has released a maintenance manual on both the Series Land Rovers and the early Range Rovers. Anyone else seen anything on these? Larry Smith Chester, VA - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Sski3@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:13:45 EST Subject: RE: Electric cooling fans Hi all; I have a mazda 1988 626 with the same fan on it, so the later fans should work also. And by the way the Ford Probe has the same fan setup in it also, I know because my radiator went and the replacement came from a Ford Probe. Any year should do, as long as there the same body style. You may want to put in a switch to shut it off when fording. Steve F New Hampshire 69 SIIA 88 65 SIIA 88 lawn ornament - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:54:46 -1000 Subject: Re: Ammeter fluctuations >I had the same problem after I had mine rebuilt. I checked with the >rebuilder and he said this is normal I am not sure about the Smiths gauges but I know that other ammeters are not suposed to do this. Sounds like a classic case of a rebuilder not owning up to an error on their part. In other words, pure BS. my .02 Aloha Pete - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:14:12 -0400 Subject: Re: "Classic" of "Antique" insurance coverage for LRs > Can K-State beat Nebraska At what? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: John Cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:17:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Ammeter fluctuations Peter Hope wrote: > >I had the same problem after I had mine rebuilt. I checked with the > >rebuilder and he said this is normal > I am not sure about the Smiths gauges but I know that other ammeters are not > suposed to do this. Sounds like a classic case of a rebuilder not owning up > to an error on their part. In other words, pure BS. You said it Pete! John and Muddy - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Richard Clarke"<Richard.Clarke@nre.vic.gov.au> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:15:43 +1000 Subject: toyota 2f and old chevy engines I have an old 1942 Chev 'blitz (Canadian Millitary Pattern) truck. When I got it the engine was cactus but a friend had a rusted out FJ55 Landcruiser with the 2F motor (late 70's vintage) - it looked verrrry similar When I removed the timing gear cover to fit the front engine mount the holes were a slightly different size, but in the same places! The casting marks on the block were identical. Mechanically the engine was different, the 2F had pumped oil feed and an oil filter, the fuel pump was twice the size and the carbies were nothing alike, and the bellhousing didn't match (these presented a number of challenges in fitting but nothing that couldn't be overcome!) The motor had clearly evolved into something different but its genes were quite evident :-) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: IBEdwardp@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:16:06 EST Subject: Re: Alternate Land Rover Engines I agree with Paul's assessment of the Ford 300 cid, but wondered it it wasn't a trifle long to install in a standard 4cyl LR engine compartment. Does this require bulkhead modification? Is the "Scotty" or other converter available? Ed Bailey 66 S2a 88 (Usually lost) Somewhere in East Tennessee - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: IBEdwardp@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:20:32 EST Subject: Re: Class action cr*p In a message dated 98-11-12 01:09:07 EST, you write: >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: IBEdwardp@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:42:03 EST Subject: Re: Class action cr*p In a message dated 98-11-12 01:09:07 EST, you write: << While I don't disagree that cleaning up the issues you mention, the real issue that causes frivolous lawsuits is a lack of morals in the body legal, and most importantly the stupidity of the average american (sorry if that offends you, but I consider myself above the average intelligence level of most americans). Who wouldn't sue if you have a great chance to win several million dollars from a company by way of the idiot juries who award ridiculous amounts of money for things that anybody with an ounce of intelligence wouldn't do. >> Sorry about the double post ... slipped. While I tend to agree with your sentiments about "runnaway jurys," it needs to be pointed out that these jurys are not simply drawn out of a hat. They are selected by lawyers on both sides by a complicated but impartial process where both sides of the controversy have an equal opportunity to strike jurors they don't want. Additionally, the verdicts come only after protracted trials in which both sides have "equal" opportunity to present evidence. When a lawyer or group of lawyers take on a large corporation, be it automotive, tobacco or fast food, the odds favor the side which has the most money. The industries tend to band together, to share information, expert witnesses and slush funds. The plaintiff's lawyers are pretty much on their own, either funding their cases on whatever they want to risk out of their own pockets, or from whatever their clients want to contribute. Even when a jury "runs away" and awards huge punitive damages in a verdict, the trial court or appellate court can reduce the verdict to whatever is felt to be reasonable. In other words, while we may not agree with the outcome in every case, at least the system is fair. I realize this is way off base from LR topics, but I feel someone should respond when our entire legal system is being flamed. It may not always reach the best result, but at least its always fair. Ed Bailey 66 s2a 88 (Usually Lost) Somewhere in East Tennessee (Occasionally honorable lawyer) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Jpslotus27@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:19:58 EST Subject: Noise after OD installation? About 1 week after installing my Toto overdrfive, I notice there is much more noise and vibration coming from the tranny/x-fer case/overdrive area. This is especially noticable when I let up on the gas pedal. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm wondering if it's due to the overdrive installation or just coincidental to the overdrive. Thanks Enzo - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Franklin H. Yap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:34:37 -0800 Subject: Re: Class action cr*p (NO LR CONTENT) IBEdwardp@aol.com wrote: > Sorry about the double post ... slipped. While I tend to agree with your > sentiments about "runnaway jurys," it needs to be pointed out that these jurys > are not simply drawn out of a hat. They are selected by lawyers on both sides > by a complicated but impartial process where both sides of the controversy > have an equal opportunity to strike jurors they don't want. It is way too simplistic to say there is an impartial process. Each person has built-in biases that cannot readily be ascertained. Jury consultants have made a small fortune advising lawyers on how to read juries, i.e., how to select a juror that will agree with the case you present. Not every party can afford a jury consultant. > Additionally, the > verdicts come only after protracted trials in which both sides have "equal" > opportunity to present evidence. I suppose "equal" is in parenthesis because this is only theoretical. The party with more money will have a more "equal" opportunity. > The plaintiff's lawyers are > pretty much on their own, either funding their cases on whatever they want to > risk out of their own pockets, or from whatever their clients want to > contribute. This is true for small plaintiff's lawyers. For the plaintiff's lawyers who go after the lotto, they often have hundreds of thousands of dollars to pour into a case. Small (economic sense) lawyers can get larger (wealthier) lawyers to buy or invest in their cases. It is a good incvestment if you get a multi-million dollar verdict since the lawyers can get over 50% of the verdict. (Many plaintiff lawyers have agreements that include a much larger percentage if the case goes to trial, appealed after judgement, etc.) > .. In other words, while we may not agree with the > outcome in every case, at least the system is fair. Dreaming... > I realize this is way off > base from LR topics, but I feel someone should respond when our entire legal > system is being flamed. It may not always reach the best result, but at least > its always fair. The system is fair sometimes. But "always" ... I think not. And I think many people will disagree because they have too many personal experiences that show the system is not fair. Frank - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Frank Elson" <frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 23:53:40 -0000 Subject: Re: Class action cr*p also something which brings your country into ridicule from us lot across the pond. The source for many an English comedian. However, they do say that what happens in America happens in the UK ten years later and we're just starting to catch up on you for stupid lawsuits. Lee Iacocaa had it right when he pointed out the huge numbers of lawyers who graduated in a certain year as against the tiny number of engineers... work out why for yourselves Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|”_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW "(o)======(o)" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Jeff and Chris Jackson" <jcjcj88@email.msn.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:11:01 -0800 Subject: re: noise after OD installation [About 1 week after installing my Toto overdrfive, I notice there is much more noise and vibration coming from the tranny/x-fer case/overdrive area. This is especially noticable when I let up on the gas pedal. Has anyone else noticed this?] Mine does the same thing. Endfloat, I believe. Not to worry - many thousands of miles with no problems. I've got a Fairey, though, vice the Toto. Maybe it would work better in Kansas? Rgds, Jeff - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DNDANGER@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:30:50 EST Subject: Re: Watt's up I doubt that the alternator itself is sensitive but the diodes (again) may be. Bill Lawrence Albq, NM - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DNDANGER@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:37:37 EST Subject: Re: FYI (Re: TWA) In a message dated 98-11-11 10:35:15 EST, you write: I assumed that the original poster was referring to me and my tendency to misunderstand things said in jest without a smily face or equivalent label then to easily become defensive. I was just wondering about the initials. The 'A' is grabbed out of the middle of my first name. Its like calling a guy named Richard Boone RHB. My middle initial is 'J' making TJW. Growing up my nickname was 'TJ' FYI >> Got it. WBL - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DNDANGER@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:53:30 EST Subject: Re: Tires In a message dated 98-11-11 13:48:57 EST, you write: I have 16 inch wheels on my 109 5-door, but the tires are, I think, 205s. Aren't 235s the more common size for 16 inch wheels? The truck seems to sit very low (in fact many people have asked whether I even have 16 inch wheels on the truck). Any good recommendations on make/models for tires? -- >> I've got a set of Michelin LTX Mud and Snows on my RR. If I can afford it I'm going to put some of them on my 109 when it goes back on the road. Michelins wear like iron and they are very grippy. Bill Lawrence Albq, Nm - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DNDANGER@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:40:12 EST Subject: Re: Class action cr*p In a message dated 98-11-12 01:09:07 EST, you write: While I don't disagree that cleaning up the issues you mention, the real issue that causes frivolous lawsuits is a lack of morals in the body legal, and most importantly the stupidity of the average american (sorry if that offends you, >> It offends me more than you can know that you can say it and that I have to concur. We've been subjected for decades to politicians campaigning and being elected with the call to increase spending on education while vilifying those who would try to optimize the money already being spent (in many cases wasted). But it just seems to get worse. I believe the intelligence of any crowd is in inverse proportion to the number members thereof. Our political system seems to be devoted to the care and feeding of larger and dumber crowds. I guess that is one reason why I prefer to drive these silly vehicles, smaller crowds. Bill Lawrence Albq, NM - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DNDANGER@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:50:10 EST Subject: Re: Class action cr*p In a message dated 98-11-12 01:49:34 EST, you write: > (Hey, if that comment about the shopping trolley 4X4's doesn't > get my toes toasted nothing will!) Oooops... there I go perpetuating it! >> What do you mean, I love it. and more to the point I love the poor lost souls it described. What it means is that when my poor old Blue Rangie finally wears down to the nub there will be plenty of used (sorry, pre-owned) well maintained, never off-roaded, low mileage Solihull vehicles to take her place. Bill Lawrence Albq, NM - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Drew, Doug" <ddrew@dlj.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:22:41 -0500 Subject: Diamond Edition Defender What did the 300 Diamond Edition Land Rover Defenders sell for in 1997? What is a ballpark price range for an extremely well equiped version of this car with about 5,000 miles on it? Thanks in advance, Doug Drew - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DNDANGER@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 23:28:43 EST Subject: Re: Class action cr*p In a message dated 98-11-12 18:43:14 EST, you write: << When a lawyer or group of lawyers take on a large corporation, be it automotive, tobacco or fast food, the odds favor the side which has the most money. >> I suppose that's one way to look at it. However I have a feeling that many times the jury is more sympathetic with a plaintiff they can identify with. That is why lawyers often attempt to establish class envy and engender a sense of social wrath against the "deep pockets" of the defendant. The case may end up being more about "They are rich and it just ain't fair" than about "Any seven year old with two braincells to rub together knows better than to do that." Yes the tobacco companies are rich (and Al Gore's family too) but any fool knew years ago what they are now claiming the tobacco companies tried to hide. How many people never heard the terms "coffin nails" or "cancer sticks"? What it is really about is people not being required to accept the results of their own actions. Throw in a few greedy lawyers (Hugh Rodham comes to mind.) and we have a new method of raising taxes and making a new generation of billionaires. If "big tobacco" is guilty so are all of the governmental entities who have promoted the use of the product and filled their coffers in the process. As I am so often forced to admit about my Rovers, I don't know how to fix it but any fool can see it's broken. Bill (so damned frustrated I could bust) Lawrence Albq, NM - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: GElam30092@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 00:00:15 EST Subject: Re: Class action cr*p: no LR content..... In a message dated 11/12/98 9:29:56 PM US Mountain Standard Time, DNDANGER@aol.com writes: << However I have a feeling that many times the jury is more sympathetic with a plaintiff they can identify with. That is why lawyers often attempt to establish class envy and engender a sense of social wrath against the "deep pockets" of the defendant. The case may end up being more about "They are rich and it just ain't fair" than about "Any seven year old with two braincells to rub together knows better than to do that." >> Which is why they're trying to get the trial filed in Alabama. The juries there will buy that argument every time from a Matlock-type attorney...."I'ma tellin yew... if jest ain't fara... da way they treat'ed my cli'unt" ....or... "dat dawg don' hunt hera". There was a multi-million dollar judgment against a dealer couple o' years ago because a guy bought a BMW that wasn't so new after all. The jury found for the guy who was given millions in damage. Luckily it was overturned on appeal. And I can rag on the juries in Alabama seeing as how I spent 17 years in the state.... so don't start telling me that I'm not being fair or don't know what I'm talking about!!! G'night... Gerry Elam PHX AZ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Clayton Kirkwood" <kirkwood@garlic.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:58:40 -0800 Subject: RE: Class action cr*p > However I have a > feeling that many > times the jury is more sympathetic with a plaintiff they > can identify with. > That is why lawyers often attempt to establish class envy > and engender a sense > of social wrath against the "deep pockets" of the > defendant. The case may end > up being more about "They are rich and it just ain't > fair" than about "Any > seven year old with two braincells to rub together knows > better than to do > that." My point exactly!!! > Yes the tobacco companies are rich (and Al Gore's > family too) but any > fool knew years ago what they are now claiming the > tobacco companies tried to > hide. How many people never heard the terms "coffin > nails" or "cancer sticks"? > What it is really about is people not being required to > accept the results of > their own actions. Throw in a few greedy lawyers (Hugh > Rodham comes to mind.) > and we have a new method of raising taxes and making a > new generation of > billionaires. If "big tobacco" is guilty so are all of > the governmental > entities who have promoted the use of the product and > filled their coffers in > the process. Well stated: I can't begin to understand the reasoning for suing tobacco companies for the smoker's general lack of listening and thinking: we are blasted with ads and infomercials about the risks of smoking. The government (last I heard) taxes cigarettes heavily and then turns around and provides subsdidies for tobacco growers, and then takes their PAC money to buy votes/favors. BTW, why are the states funding medical costs for people who continue to smoke knowing the risks and problems caused by smoking. Tis ludicrous (sp?). Rover content: Too bad driving our rovers down steep off camber embankments causing a spine crushing event isn't covered the same way cigs are. > Bill (so damned frustrated I could bust) Lawrence > Albq, NM - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Marcel Viljoen <marcelv@msmail.cs.unp.ac.za> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:04:13 +0200 Subject: Engine numbers Hi Does anyone know of a web resource with engine numbers. I am trying to find the number range for the 2.5l 4 cyl petrol motors that were in the *early* 110s here in South Africa. Marcel Viljoen Department of Computer Science and Information Systems (Soon to Be: School of Mathematics, Statistics, Computer Science and Information Systems) Natal University, Pietermaritzburg Private Bag X01 Scottsville Pietermaritzburg 3209 Phone +27 (331)260-5643 Fax +27 (331)260-5966 Cell +27 82 445 7191 email marcelv@compnt.cs.unp.ac.za. Entropy requires no maintenance - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:29:08 +1100 Subject: TW - Transplants (engines) john cranfield wrote: >I believe that the Holden engines have more in common with the >Vauxhall 6 cylinder used in the 60s in England than the US sixes. >this was a sweet running engine and of course used Lucas electrics! Dunno. I don't think so. But they certainly don't use Lucas in Holdens. They used to use AC-Delco and Bosch. Not sure about now. Oh, by the way, when we moved to unleaded petrol in 1986, the Holden engine wouldn't meet emission standards so Holden changed to Nissan 6-cyl EFi engines until they got the GM US 3.8 litre V6 converted for Australian production and rear wheel drive. I believe the Nissan engine is a nice one - it may be the same engine as used in Datsun 280Z cars. Ron - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 981113 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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