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From: "HENRY STAGE"<henry.stage@smtp.cnet.navy.mil>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:13:58 -0600
Subject: calling bill lawrence

     Bill, please email me offline. I'm going to be driving my IIa 
     ambulance coast to coast (and back) going through your home town 
     'round x-mas. Would love to stop and talk landy's.
     
     Cheers,
     
     Cole Stage
     IIa ambulance "Hefelump" (as in, it's as big as a ...)

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From: "Peter Monk" <monk@calypso.math.udel.edu>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:56:58 -0500
Subject: IIA Steering box

My (67 IIa SWB) has a filling plug on the top of the steering box. There
is also a locked bolt on the wing side of the box for adjusting play in the
unit.  If you remove this bolt, most of the oil does drain out but I don't
think Land Rover refer to it as a drain plug.

Peter

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From: Ralph N Bradt <rnbradt@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:41:01 MST
Subject: Re: topless belt mounts

I have a 1970 Series IIa 88. I picked up a set of used inertia reel belts out 
of about an '85 Toyota
4Runner at a junkyard. On the '71 I had about 20 years ago I had the same setup 
using inertia reel
belts out of a VW. The later Series Rovers, like mine, have seat belt anchors 
built in, but I'm sure you
can rig something similar with adequate strength if you don't. 
  
The belt reels mount behind the seats in the rear compartment. The bolt holes 
in the rear bulkhead
are about 3-4" above the rear floor and about 20" apart. The other end of the 
belts are anchored
behind the seats on the front of the bulkhead using the same holes and grade 8 
bolts. The belts then
run up from behind the bulkhead, over the seat back, and down the front to the 
anchors behind the
seats on the front side of the bulkhead. The receivers are on the end of about 
a foot long cable and
bolt to the seat base near the lower rear corner of the door. The receiver 
itself then is at about seat
level on the outside of the seat. I had to do a little light hammer work on the 
anchor ends of the cable
to make them fit the stock belt anchors, but you may not need to. 
  
The result is a set of belts that come up over the inside shoulder, across the 
chest to the receiver on
the outside, and back across the lap to the anchors. They seemed to tend to 
feel like they were
slipping off my shoulder a bit so I made guides for them that fasten to the 
capping on the bulkhead. I
also made some small spacers for when my spare is mounted inside so the belt 
isn't pinched. Since
they don't use anchor points on the roof, they work equally well with or 
without the top on. It's really a
fairly simple deal to do, using a little Rover ingenuity. Just be sure to use 
strong anchor bolts. The
center belts that the PO installed in mine were bolted down with 1/4" grade 5 
bolts. Scary. Gotta have
good belts. Don't leave home without 'em. 

Ralph Bradt

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From: Doug Boehme <DBoehme@PA.Navisys.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:46:43 -0500
Subject: non LR content

I apologize for the non-LR content...

Are there any Porsche mailing lists similar to the LR lists?  If so,
does anyone have info for subscribing?

Thanks,
Doug

Douglas J. Böhme
dboehme@pa.navisys.com

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From: "Emil King" <ewader@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:15:29 PST
Subject: disco vs. range

Is there anyone w/ a page or info. regarding a size comparison of a 
rangie vs. a disco or d90. i'd like to know things like headroom, 
legroom, cargo space, ground clearance, articulation, engine size, etc. 
All this in relation to an 60, 80 or 100 series LC, a Navigator, or 
Expedition. Thanks for your help in helping me to resolve a petty 
argument!

Emil King

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:24:01 -0700
Subject: Re: 109SW shoulder belts

Jarvis,
You should be able to bolt the sholder piece to the outside top edge of the seat
bulk-head. This will produce a somewhat over the sholder race belt feel, but
should satisfy your apparent need for safety restraint, as well as keep the
asthetics at bay!

Good Luck,

John Wood
Solihull Society- Pres.

Jarvis64@aol.com wrote:

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:27:29 -0700
Subject: Re: Electronic ignitions

I assure you it had nothing to do with the electronics of the vehicle!!!

Ha Ha !

Where have you been???
Woody

The Stockdales wrote:

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From: "David Hope" <davidjhope@email.msn.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:35:12 -0600
Subject: Fluctuating alterator gauge

The vehicle is a 1964 llA converted to negative earth by a PO and it still
runs with a generator.  The battery is one month old.

I had my alternator rebuilt by a reputable shop in upstate New York.  Prior
to the rebuild it would hover around the neutral mark without much
fluctuation.

Upon reinstallation the gauge flies all over the place, like it's a speedo
with a broken speedo cable.

 -  when the engine is idling the gauge is just negative
 - when I depress the acclerator the needle registers strong positive
-  when I am driving it stays positive but fluctuates wildly

My question for you electronic experts is: Is the gauge telling me something
useful, should I be looking to correct another problem with the charging
system or should I disconnect he gauge?

If there is a remedy to this problem I promise to post it to the list, just
as C. Martin Faure requested last week.

David Hope
64 llA

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From: Christopher Nielsen <chnst6+@pitt.edu>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:55:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [D90] non LR content

Doug, there is a great list called Porschelist. Go to www.porschelist.org
and there you can find info on subscribing in a similar way to the LR
lists.

Good luck and enjoy,

Chris
'95 D-90 SW
'70 911E/RS
'86 LC FJ-60 
Chris J. Nielsen
E-mail: chnst6+@pitt.edu
Phone: 412-958-2149

"My mind is a raging torent, flooded with rivulets of thought, cascading
into a waterfall of creative alternatives."

On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Doug Boehme wrote:

> I apologize for the non-LR content...
> Are there any Porsche mailing lists similar to the LR lists?  If so,
> does anyone have info for subscribing?
> Thanks,
> Doug
> Douglas J. Böhme

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> Douglas J. Böhme
> dboehme@pa.navisys.com

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:23:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Fluctuating alterator gauge

David Hope wrote:
> The vehicle is a 1964 llA converted to negative earth by a PO and it still
> runs with a generator.  The battery is one month old.
> I had my alternator rebuilt by a reputable shop in upstate New York.  Prior
> to the rebuild it would hover around the neutral mark without much
> fluctuation.
> Upon reinstallation the gauge flies all over the place, like it's a speedo

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> If there is a remedy to this problem I promise to post it to the list, just
> as C. Martin Faure requested last week.
 First thing, do have a generator or an alternator? They are not the
same thing. It almost certainly  had a generator when new (there was an 
alternator offered as an option in 64 but they are very rare).
  The problem you describe when associated with a generator is with the
regulator. A qualified person may be able to adjust it to over come the
situation but you probably will end up replacing it.
  John and Muddy

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:07:25 -0800
Subject: RE: IIA Steering box

I have a fairly clear picture of my steering box (1961 Series II 88') on my
web page at: 

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/4954/lreng.jpg

Filler plug clearly in evidence.  I'm sure that there is a drain plug
lurking under there somewhere too.  

The picture was taken last spring, just after I overhauled the bulkhead.

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:39:36 EST
Subject: Re: The Gods Must be Crazy

Bill wrote;
>I've got to get a winch like that!<

The winch, yes, i'm laughing all over again. That bit was brilliant.

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid
(If you can't get there in a hybrid you can't get there) 

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:53:48 EST
Subject: Re: The Gods Must be Crazy

...How 'bout the bit where they're playing with the hand throttle...

Charles

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From: "Jeff and Chris Jackson" <jcjcj88@email.msn.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:10:04 -0800
Subject: SIII Brake Light Switch Tip

For a while I've been a bit concerned about the "lateness" that my brake
lights came on - at about the 3/4 pedal mark (I realize that many Series
only just start to brake at this point, but just the same...).  I wasn't
concerned enough to break out the wrenches, though.

Then the brake lights quit altogether.  Power at the switch, so out comes
the switch.  Solid device which probably weighs 60 times the industry
standard for a brake light switch, but very rugged and infinitely fixable.
I shot some of NAPA's magic electrical-problem-fixer spray at the innards, a
few chunks of sediment fell out, and everything works great.

But more to the point, I noticed that to adjust the sensitivity of the
switch, you simply loosen the retaining nut and tighten the switch itself
(it's essentially a hollow bolt with the electricals inside).  No need to
take anything apart.  About 3/4 turn and my brake lights come on when they
should.  No mention of this in Haynes, so I thought I'd post my "discovery"
(can I use that word on this list?).

Jeff Jackson
73 SIII Daily Driver. 80 miles per day.  What, me worry?

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From: Sski3@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:15:55 EST
Subject: Re: Series III tub removal

Just removed the rear tub off an 88 last week, it didn't want to come off
either. Seems it had a sealant between the tub and the seat box. I just lifted
up the one side that moved at all until it broke the other side loose. Lifted
it right behind the door, it took a few minutes but it came loose.
Steve Falkowski
69 SIIA 88

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:36:10 -0800
Subject: Re: Master cylinder removal?

From: Don <DandY@saltspring.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:34:02 -0700
Subject: Master cylinder removal?

>I have to rebuild both the clutch and brake master cyls. What is the
proper way ( most expeditious) to remove them? I'm sure some of you have
become experts at this. TIA.

I'm going to assume you have a left-hand-drive Land Rover.  This is one area
where it really pays to have a right-hand-drive vehicle, because that puts
the brake and clutch master cylinders out in the middle of the engine bay
where they're easy to get at.  On LHD Land Rovers, the clutch master
cylinder is tucked under the top of the left wing.  In fact, the shop manual
lists as the first step in removing the clutch master cylinder in a LHD
vehicle "remove the wing."  Having done this a couple of times, I can assure
you that, while it may be possible to coax the clutch master cylinder out
without removing the wing, removing the wing is pretty much a requirement.
It's not difficult, but on an old vehicle with dirt-encrusted bolts it can
become a very time-consuming chore.

About twenty years ago I decided that removing the wing of my 1973 Series
III to get at the clutch master cylinder was dumb, and that there had to be
a better way.  What I did was carefully cut out a rectangular panel from the
top of the wing over the clutch cylinder.  Through my contacts at Honolulu
International Airport where I flew, I obtained an aluminum aircraft "piano"
hinge which I riveted to the forward edge of the panel.  To hold the panel
closed, I inset a "push to open" engine cowling fastener from a Citabria in
the rear of the panel.  Now if I need complete access to the clutch master
cylinder, I  take the spare tire off the bonnet, release the bonnet brace,
and open the bonnet all the way back to the windshield.  Pushing the release
button on the cowling latch releases the access panel which hinges forward
to completely expose the master cylinder.  Removal, replacement, and
adjustment is a snap, well, sort of a snap, after that.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: "David Hope" <davidjhope@email.msn.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:34:25 -0600
Subject: Fluctuating ammeter

I had a major brain loss when I wrote my earlier email message, which I have
copied below.  The message should have said that I had my ammeter gauge
rebuilt.

Apologies for the errors:

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:13:09 -0000

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i'm owner of two lro.
one full restored and, another one under restoration.
The first was a serie IIA from 1965 (LHD),  and the other was from 1955 =
(RHD) But i can't find in it chassis number or engine number, can =
anybody tell where they are in these version?

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:31:21 -0800
Subject: Re: Station Wagon vs. Hardtop

From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:14:07 -0700
Subject: Re: Station Wagon vs. Hardtop

>This is how I understand the situation:
Hardtop- Fixed hard top with fixed one-piece side windows or no windows.
Stationwagon- Fixed hard top with sliding side windows, and +/-
"safari"windows,          and +/- safari roof skin.

>However- I owned a '73 SIII 88" that had fixed hardtop, sliding side
windows, and came stock with the safari roof skin. I have been told that the
last two years of import to the US contained a large number of "off
standard" units due to a rejected/declined Belgium army order that Slohull
recieved in late '72.

I have owned since new a 1973 Series III-88 that fits your description.  It
has the fixed hardtop, side-hinged rear door, glass all around, with rear
side windows that slide open from either end, a tropical roof, and the
"non-deluxe" bonnet  that has the sharp leading edge as opposed to rolled
leading edge, (which I've always disliked anyway).  I ordered it with
"Deluxe" seats and hardware to mount the tire in one of three places: the
bonnet, the bulkhead behind the seats (which is where it was when I took
delivery), and on the rear door.  I, of course, immediately moved the tire
to the bonnet.  It also came with a small tool kit, an ashtray, and a
two-pin plug to fit the 12V  receptacle in the instrument panel.  I had the
dealer add the tropical roof, the side and rear folding steps and a manual
throttle before shipping the vehicle to me in Hawaii.  The tropical roof,
bonnet tire mount, Deluxe seats, folding steps, and manual throttle were all
options at the time.  The tropical roof cost a whopping $25 installed; I
don't remember what the other items listed for.

The builder's plate on my vehicle calls it a "Series III, Model 88,
Hardtop."  At the time I purchased the vehicle, I was told by the Land Rover
representative on the west coast that the Station Wagon was identical to my
vehicle but came with the tropical roof factory installed along with Alpine
windows and roof ventilators that opened through the tropical roof (minor
point, but the word "Safari" was not used at the time in any Land Rover
literature or manuals to describe the tropical roof, Alpine windows, or
other accessories available in the US).

However, the representative told me before I placed my order in 1973 that
Station Wagons were no longer being imported to the US.  The only model
available was the 88 Hardtop, and it would be a fairly expensive job to have
a dealer install an Alpine window kit, a ventilator kit, and a new
headliner.  Like most 25-year-olds, I was living on a shoestring budget so I
couldn't afford to have the dealer upgrade my vehicle to a Station Wagon.

I don't know if any Series III Station Wagons were imported prior to 1973.
The only true Station Wagons I personally have seen in the US have been
Series IIas, although lots of owners have added sliding rear windows,
tropical roofs, Alpine windows, and roof vents to Series IIas and IIIs that
were built originally without them, making them virtually identical to
Station Wagons.  Vehicles that were built at Solihull as Station Wagons had,
of course, the extra plate below the builder's plate on the rear of the
vehicle that said "Four Wheel Drive Station Wagon."  But this, too, can be
added, as I have done to my own Series III in anticipation of (someday)
installing the Alpine window kit I bought years ago.

I still have all the literature that came with my new Land Rover, including
the operator's manual, the Land Rover expedition guide, the "Passport to
Service" booklet, the list of all the Land Rover service centers worldwide
(at the time), and even all the sales and accessory brochures used by the
few remaining US dealers in 1973.  The pages describing the Land Rover on
sale in this country at that time all refer to it as the Model 88 Hardtop.
There is no mention of a Station Wagon in any of the brochures and flyers I
have, nor is there any mention of any of the rest of the Land Rover lineup:
the 109 or any of the various body styles available for the Series III.
However, I did receive in the packet of paperwork that came with my vehicle
a nice full-color booklet describing in pretty fair detail the Darien Gap
expedition with the two Range Rovers and the Series Land Rover, as well as a
full-color sales brochure (UK) for the Range Rover, even though that vehicle
was not available in the US.  It makes a big deal about the clever front
seats that slide forward when the seat backs are tilted forward to allow
easier access to the rear seat (don't forget the Range Rover was a 2-door
only for many years), and it has pictures of a Range Rover driving around in
muddy farm fields and then parked all shiny on wet cobblestones in the
evening in front of a cozily lit hotel or restaurant.  The concept, outlined
in the brochure, is that the Range Rover is a vehicle you can use for rugged
work during the day and then hose off (and out, presumably) and then go out
for a night on the town.

Come to think of it, Range Rover advertising in 1973 wasn't much different
than what it is today only they've dropped the muddy farm bit.  No working
farmer could afford a Range Rover, or would be foolish enough to spend that
kind of money for one.

All this trivia may be interesting to someone.... or not.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: Jarvis64@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:46:17 EST
Subject: My driving record

Hi everybody,
OK, OK--the van, the deer, the chain, AND I lay her on her side at the B-day
Party.

Van--out in front of stop line, pulls fwd.  I'm at stop line, look at traffic,
see him move fwd, pull fwd myself.  He, for no reason I could see, stopped,
and I, looking at oncoming traffic and seeing that there was room for both of
us to make it, just kind of plow right into him.   Astro:  Left rear door and
tire mount toast.  Rover:  pushed in right front wing b/c my light guard hit
his ladder.

Deer-- dark, he gambled and lost.  Deer:  assumed KIA, Rover:  RF wing
slightly dented.

Chain--in park at twilight trying to adjust timing.  Looking for way down
hill, trying to see where that turn goes as I take turn.  Hey, is that a cul
de sac?  Hey, what's that orange post doing next to the road?  Oh, it's
holding THAT CHAIN.  Lock up brakes.  Posts:  almost pulled out of ground.
Rover:  LF wing dented just under light guard.

Party--Up nice grassy hill.  Right tires crest hill encountering low spot.
Left wheel encounters high spot.  Tires aired-down increasing mushiness of
downhill tires.  Nice, slo-mo flop.  Instant recovery by large crowd.  No
photos extant.  Rover: no damage.

So lay off.

Anyone know if I can just anchor the top part of the belt to the vertical part
of the T-piece on the 109SW, say, about a foot above my left shoulder?

Bill

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From: Jarvis64@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:46:23 EST
Subject: Hub-mounted rope recovery thing

Howdy folks,
Anyone seen one of these?  HMMWVs and our old jeeps have/had 'em.  It's a
bracket mounted on the hub w/ two holes in it or w/ a tube mounted across the
top of the hub.  You stick a bar/rod through the holes/tube, so that the bar
ends up perpendicular to the axle (at 90 deg. to the rotation of the wheel,
that is), and then you tie a rope around it.  (would have to do both hubs if
you don't have a locking diff).

Anchor other end of rope to something and drive out.

I think I can make one for Rovers (read, "have one made").  Anyone used one?
Seems like a handy item and should cost about $10 to have made at the local
friendly welding shop.

Bill

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:53:03 EST
Subject: Re: The Gods Must be Crazy

In a message dated 26/10/98 23:07:36 BST, you write:

<< Now I have heard tell of this film many times in Land Rover circles but
 nothing had prepared me for the laughs contained in this somewhat poor story.
 I still get a giggle now remembering how the guy in the film was trying to
 stop the ser1 rolling away whilst he opened a gate by quickly leaping out to
 grab a rock to stick under the wheel. >>

also the bit where he winches it up into the tree....
surely the greatest Land Rover film of all time - despite it being poorly made
etc.
BTW anyone who hasn't seen it, my friends son bought it for him from a video
shop, it was on catalogue, they ordered it new.......

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:59:16 EST
Subject: Re:  Hub-mounted rope recovery thing

In a message dated 10/27/98 6:49:26 PM, you wrote:

<<Anyone seen one of these?  HMMWVs and our old jeeps have/had 'em.  It's a
bracket mounted on the hub w/ two holes in it or w/ a tube mounted across the
top of the hub.  You stick a bar/rod through the holes/tube, so that the bar
ends up perpendicular to the axle (at 90 deg. to the rotation of the wheel,
that is), and then you tie a rope around it.  (would have to do both hubs if
you don't have a locking diff).

Anchor other end of rope to something and drive out.>>

I saw one on a SIIa 109 in (what passes for downtown) Paarl, South Africa. It
looked like it hadn't been used ever, if at all, and on the front of the LR
was a PTO Capstan, which had wear marks on it. 

The "wheel hub winch" looked fairly stock, as in it didn't look bodged or put-
together. It bolted on to the wheel studs which must've been longer now that I
think about it. I waited around for a bit, but the owner never turned up, and
I had an appointment with a Kudu Steak that couldn't wait... after dinner it
was gone (the LR, as well as the piece of Kudu)

--pat.

ps: The kudu tasted gamier than the previous evening's (Black) Rhino Steak...
;-) hehehe.

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From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:01:06 +1100 (EST)
Subject: Gods Must be Crazy

Just as good an appellation as `the Antichrist'
is `Old Lazarus' (http://4wdonline.com/LandRover/Series/S1/1949.html)
which participants at Cooma '98 will be familiar with.
(Its owner is on the "good side". :-)

Lloyd

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:06:43 EST
Subject: Re:  My driving record

In a message dated 10/27/98 6:49:40 PM, you wrote:

<<So lay off.>>

We don't get these opportunities very often ;-) The rest of us aren't as proud
of our records, and wouldn't let it slip out...  your 109's "kill-flags" would
look kinda neat: links, antlers, bowtie (chevy Astro) ;-)

--pat.

ps: Local lore has it that my bumper is more wood than metal; I'm 2 for 2 at
local rallies: twice I hit small trees, bending the bumper. It is still shown
on video at a local dealership to demonstrate the toughness of a LR (or dumb
driving, maybe)

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From: "Riaan Botes" <riaanb@iafrica.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 01:13:59 +0200
Subject: RE: My driving record

|Hi everybody,
|OK, OK--the van, the deer, the chain, AND I lay her on her 
|side at the B-day
|Party.

Perhaps a good solid bull/bush bar may be needed before the saftey belts:-)

Riaan Botes
'96 Tdi 110 PU
'76 SIII 109 , 2.25l Petrol PU
'52 SI 80"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:40:51 EST
Subject: Re: Re : Bushings

In a message dated 26/10/98 08:52:57 BST, you write:

<< I agree, even if rubber bushings can be a bugger to fit. >>

Andy thanks for the explanation
wot d'yer mean "can" ? Ever found any that weren't :-)>
one of THE joys of owning a Land Rover.....

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:41:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: 

At 10:13 PM 10/27/98, "NUNO DE TEYXEIRA" <mop66053@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
:>
:>i'm owner of two lro.
:>one full restored and, another one under restoration.
:>The first was a serie IIA from 1965 (LHD),  and the other
:>was from 1955 (RHD) But i can't find in it chassis number
:>or engine number, can anybody tell where they are in these
:>version?

 The 1955 is a Series 1 Land Rover.  The chassis number may be
 on top of the left motor mount, if not, it will be on the front
 right side of chassis.  The engine number is on the left front
 side of the block, written sideways.

 There is a mailing list for Series 1 owners and enthusiasts.
 To join, write to:  majordomo@landrover.net
 with the message:   subscribe series1
 Messages to the group are sent to:  series1@landrover.net

 All the best,

-Michael Carradine

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From: Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 03:58:58 -0800
Subject: Brake fluid choices

I am gonna bleed/flush the brakes this week.  I have the option of using
either Lucas DOT 4 (A La RN) or Castrol LMA (viva la NAPA) brake fluid.
My inclination is to eschew anything labeled Lucas and embrace the Castrol.  

Does that fly in the face of reason?  Am I talking outta both sides of my
mouth?  Half a dozen, one, six, the other.  (insert your cliche here)

Todd
'71 SIIA 88
"Fantod"
1 plural a : a state of irritability and tension b : FIDGETS
2 : an emotional outburst : FIT 

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:05:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Brake fluid choices

Todd Schlemmer wrote:
> I am gonna bleed/flush the brakes this week.  I have the option of using
> either Lucas DOT 4 (A La RN) or Castrol LMA (viva la NAPA) brake fluid.
> My inclination is to eschew anything labeled Lucas and embrace the Castrol.
> Does that fly in the face of reason?  Am I talking outta both sides of my
> mouth?  Half a dozen, one, six, the other.  (insert your cliche here)

This taking the tired Lucas joke a bit too far. FYI Lucas owns Girling
and a bunch of other well respected companies such as CAV. Thus if the
fluid has a Lucas label it will in fact be Girling, just the stuff you
were looking for since they made the damn brakes in the first place.
  John and Muddy
 PS could we soon end the shit on Lucas humour

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From: Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:17:10 -0800
Subject: Indignant Re: Brake fluid choices

That was a serious question.  I know that Lucas owns / = Girling.  I want a
serious answer about the merits of the two available fluids that are
appropriate for my brake system.  In the world of lubricants, Castrol is
considered superior to OEM fluids that might come in your new engine, and I
want someone's educated opinion of Castrol's LMA Brake fluid.  

Sorry to pain you so with a little Lucas humor (do you own stock?). :^)

Todd

At 08:05 PM 10/27/98 -0400, you wrote:

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:02:19 -0700
Subject: Lucas part of Delco?

Hey all-

I visit the Ural Motorcycle web site (Russian side-car Bike, that has
dodgy electrics,leaks oil,breaks drive shafts and has fanatical owners
also-sound familiar??:-)[required LR content])

Anyway, I posted a message about using RTV on electrical connectors to
keep water out and mentioned Lucas. Got this back as part of the reply

Art;

Thought you might enjoy learning that the rotating electric's division
of
Lucas Electric's is now owned by WorldWide Automotive, which is itself a

Delco Remy company. (My wife works for WorldWide). This includes the
Lucas starter, generator, and alternator divisions but NOT aerospace
(which in itself is a scary thought! "Hey, Geoffrey old chap, give that
control panel a good whack, would you? The electric's are out again and
it's ever so convenient to have navigation while landing....").

So I guess this means that Delco is now the God of Darkness....

News to me-I always thought Deco was part of GM?

So I guess us with a Deco alternator are keeping the electric's somewhat
original!!

Art
1960 SII "Aardvark"

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:51:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Brake fluid choices

john cranfield wrote:

>  PS could we soon end the shit on Lucas humour
>.
Hey! I thought we were to knock the "other" guys here! Why don't we pick
on F*rd. Anybody want to buy a Windshit...oops, I mean a Windstar!!?

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:55:57
Subject: Gods etc.

>I've got to get a winch like that!

Sure you don't mean wench?

Jim Wolf

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From: Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:11:48 -0800
Subject: resend: Indignant Re: Brake fluid choices

That was a serious question.  I know that Lucas owns / = Girling.  I want a
serious answer about the merits of the two available fluids that are
appropriate for my brake system.  In the world of lubricants, Castrol is
considered superior to OEM fluids that might come in your new engine, and I
want someone's educated opinion of Castrol's LMA Brake fluid.  

Sorry to pain you so with a little Lucas humor (do you own stock?). :^)

Todd

At 08:05 PM 10/27/98 -0400, you wrote:

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:21:46 -0700
Subject: Re: Station Wagon vs. Hardtop

Marin,
It's always a pleasure ti hear from a trusty sole like yourself. It's great to
meet someone who has stayed the coarse with their vehicle for soo long. I've
only ever met two others like yourself here on the mainland.

I would warn you about only one thing. I've found out the hard way that the 12v.
plug-ins on the dash can be a catastrophe waiting to happen. They are a full
current poistive and a dead straight ground.(red and black respectively). The
only thing that sepperates these two points on the back of the plug unit is a
slight bit of paper. I've lost two entire dash wire harnesses due to these
littel things.

I recomend you slide the dash off and cut and cap the lines. Unless you have
casue to use the ports. Then inulate the H%$% out of them!

Hope to stay in touch!

K. John Wood
Solihull Society- Pres.
'79 SIII 109 D  - gray market factory order

Faure, Marin wrote:

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From: Jim Gardner <jim.gardner@tip.csiro.au>
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:31:09 +1000
Subject: Re: Overdrive alternative??

As an alternative to the standard overdrive for LR's, Four Wheel Drives in
Oz currently offer a replacement gearset for the transfer case. Leaves low
ratio the same, raises high ratio by about 20%, has the big advantage of
leaving the PTO area at the rear of the transfer case free. Cost is $800 AUD.
Cheers,
Jim Gardner
'54 86" Series 1 - in bits, chassis painted, suspension being reassembled
'93 200TDi Defender TOD00Z

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:58:13 EST
Subject: Re: My driving record

In a message dated 98-10-27 17:49:40 EST, you write:

<< No
 photos extant.  Rover: no damage. >>

IE no evidence. Now if you can bribe or threaten the witnesses you could be
president.

Bill Lawrence

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:17:11 EST
Subject: Re: Brake fluid choices

In a message dated 98-10-27 19:07:38 EST, you write:

<<  PS could we soon end the shit on Lucas humour >>

I suppose it's possible but I have my doubts.

Bill Lawrence

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:14:49 -0800
Subject: Re: My driving record

Jarvis64@aol.com wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> OK, OK--the van, the deer, the chain, AND I lay her on her side at the B-day
> Party.

I must say in Bill's defense, that he passed on a trail in Colo because
he didn't like the sidehill.
Jim Hall

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:54:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Lucas part of Delco?

Art Bitterman wrote:

> Thought you might enjoy learning that the rotating electric's division
> of
> Lucas Electric's is now owned by WorldWide Automotive, which is itself
> a
> Delco Remy company. (My wife works for WorldWide). This includes the
> Lucas starter, generator, and alternator divisions but NOT aerospace
> (which in itself is a scary thought! "Hey, Geoffrey old chap, give
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> somewhat
> original!!

I'll try to check into the details, but my recollection is that GM sold
off the large truck starter and generator business under the Delco Remy
name several years ago. So if the Lucas starter/generator business is
now connected with Delco Remy, it wouldn't be connected to GM.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Joseph Broach <jbroach@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:00:32 -0700
Subject: Re: Overdrive alternative??

>As an alternative to the standard overdrive for LR's, Four Wheel Drives in
>Oz currently offer a replacement gearset for the transfer case. Leaves low
>ratio the same, raises high ratio by about 20%, has the big advantage of
>leaving the PTO area at the rear of the transfer case free. Cost is $800 AUD.

I think that with the demise of the Fairey/Superwinch OD one of these kits
would be a big seller here in the States. Perhaps in a variety of ratios.
15-20% sounds about right, but I'm afraid Ashcroft's 30% or so might leave
one rolling backwards down a hill. Since I've fitted 235/85/16's to Sid,
with OD engaged the gears are actually -too high-. With the old 15's on,
the gearing was perfect (ground clearance was a different matter). So how
'bout it you parts houses that monitor the list?? Is a small run of such
gears feasible?

-joseph and sidney (OD is sort of like "controlled neutral")
missoula, mt

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From: "Vel Natarajan" <vel@enteract.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:17:58 -0600
Subject: Re: disco vs. range

Don't have the interior specs, but to give you a relative size comparison:
as far as the Land-Cruiser's go: the 60's have a 108" wheelbase, the 80's
have a 112" wheelbase.  The Lincoln Masturbator has (as does the Ford
Exhibitionist) a 119" wheelbase.  These are the Couch Potato of SUV's.

>Is there anyone w/ a page or info. regarding a size comparison of a
>rangie vs. a disco or d90. i'd like to know things like headroom,
>All this in relation to an 60, 80 or 100 series LC, a Navigator, or
>Expedition. Thanks for your help in helping me to resolve a petty

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From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:24:40 -0800
Subject: Re: The Gods Must be Crazy

DNDANGER@aol.com wrote:

> I've got to get a winch like that!

Or a scale model like that :)

Jeremy

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:01:44 EST
Subject: henry.stage

Please excuse this bomb on the list.

Henry.stage,

I did reply to your email but evidently got the address wrong. Got busted by
Daemon and I had already deleted your message. Please resend your message to
DNDANGER@aol.com.

Bill Lawrence

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:32:25 EST
Subject: Re: Brake fluid choices

In a message dated 98-10-27 20:52:12 EST, you write:

<< >.
 Hey! I thought we were to knock the "other" guys here! Why don't we pick
 on F*rd. Anybody want to buy a Windshit...oops, I mean a Windstar!!?
 
 Con Seitl
 1973 III 88 "Pig"
 >>
I think it would be silly to be too sensitive on this topic. After all we are
members of a group of people who have chosen of our own free will to own,
drive, maintain, and even idolize these vehicles, at some considerable expense
I might add. If Lucas is a joke then we play it upon ourselves.

Bill Lawrence

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:35:13 EST
Subject: Re: Gods etc.

In a message dated 98-10-27 20:58:32 EST, you write:

<< Sure you don't mean wench? >>

Well now she wasn't that bad, but this is a family list.

Bill Lawrence

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From: Don Fee <DandY@saltspring.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:36:26 -0700
Subject: Master Cylinders

Thanks to those who took the time to reply re: removing master cylinders
on my series IIA 88. Since I've just recently acquired this one, I'm
going to give both masters the de luxe rebuild. Since neither of my
Rovers is daily transport (YET) I'll pull the wing and mud panels off
and rebuild my little Landy one quarter at a time. ;) 

Cheers,
Don Fee  

1968 series IIA 88"  (our DandY Landy)
1967 series IIA 109" s/w Safari

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From: "Keith Cutler Family" <cutler_family@ibm.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:36:17 -0700
Subject: Two and One-Half Series II Rovers Spotted on Maui

Does anyone on the list live on Maui?  I know Peter lives in Hawaii (and
maybe other members do, also) but I don't know if anyone lives on or travels
regularly to Maui.  About one mile west from Oheo Gulch (often called the
Seven Sacred Pools) on Highway 31 we spotted two fairly complete Series
Rovers plus a complete hardtop.  They are abandoned and in rusty shape, yet
were missing few, if any, parts.  I only had five minutes to photograph them
and try to find the owner, but had no luck locating anyone home at that
time.  (Plus, I wasn't sure which home the Rovers belonged to.)

If anyone can easily go by there in their spare time (yeah, right!) I'd love
to hear from you off-list and hire you to try and buy a few parts and ship
them to me.  Almost all side and indicator lenses were intact, one had a
good upper left-hand door hinge (mine's a shortened, welded-together mess),
complete gauges, both had truck cabs, etc.  I know one was a 1961 (Serial
Number began with 2441), but I couldn't gain access to the Serial Number
plate on the other.  It had headlights on both the breakfast and the wings.

Thanks for your time.

Keith Cutler
1960 Series II

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From: DNDANGER@aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:48:52 EST
Subject: Re: Brake fluid choices

In a message dated 98-10-27 22:19:02 EST, you write:

<< <<  PS could we soon end the shit on Lucas humour >>
 I suppose it's possible but I have my doubts.
 
 Bill Lawrence
  >>
PS If you are that sensitive you don't want to know what is going on on the
Healey list.

Bill Lawrence again

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From: Mikko Kalevi Lehmusto <mlehmust@hit.fi>
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:41:03 +0200
Subject: RE: Spin-on oil filters

The filter will only affect the oil pressure between it and the oil pump.
A larger filter will probably have less flow resistance, and will build up
less pressure in the oil line before the filter, but it won't affect the
actual oil pressure in the engine. Possibly it could increase it a little,
because there is less pressure loss between the pump and engine, but
that'll be marginal, I think.

Mikko Lehmusto
SIII 109" Diesel (project)
student, Mech. Engineering
FINLAND

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@alaska.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 01:27:41 -0900
Subject: Alaskan confessions of a bronco driving rover owner

Hi folks!

4 weeks away from the lro lists and the withdrawal symptoms are setting
in - with many weeks to go before I get back to Denmark and my rovers, I
just had to send an update to you all.

The first week over here I rented a Mits*b*sh* Montero - complete with
automatic gears, electric windows and a rather fake smell to the real
leather upholstery - plus a 50 dollar charge for smoking in the car. I
could not get used to the idea of spending more per month on hiring a
monty that i would pay for a landy in Denmark, so the Mitsu had to go.

Despite my love for rovers, the lack of landies on the market in AK, and
the coming winter made me take a big step. I have bought a 1984 Ford
Bronco - big, hungry gasguzzlin V8 5.6ish liter 2700 dollars - six weeks
driving and I'm saving money - so my driving here next year will be
free. I found out that not having a US driving license means that
insurance costs more than the car - if they will offer cover at all, so
i decided, after 23 years driving on an english license, to take the
Alaska driving test. I passed the theory test first time - more by luck
than judgement - I pulled the right multiple choice questions I guess,
but the road test - shame on me - I failed first time because I botched
the parallel parking (yep a Bronco has different geometry to a 109") but
I managed to pass the second time. Bureaucracy US style implies that to
get a driving licence, you have to have a social security number, which
means having an immigration permit, so a few days filming were
sacrificed to the pursuit of papers, but eventually I got legal, and got
onto the road.

The bronco isn't bad - automatic gearbox aside. After a week or two
driving in the Anchorage area, I decided to challenge the Parks Highway
up to Fairbanks - nearly 400 miles of rough driving in mountainous
country. The idea was to film landscapes on the way, but a thick fog
fell, bringing with it freezing rain and a definate need for 4WD. Once
up in the mountains of Denali park, we hit a heavy snowstorm, which
lasted for several hours, then freezing rain again so we slid all the
way don onto the plain and fairbanks. We passed many drivers (and cars)
on the way, who had slid into a ditch. I had not tried to dricve 4WD
with an automatic gearbox before - on balance I must admit that whilst
the auto is easier and lazier, the manual gives an element of control
and allows for engine braking instead of foot braking. So does the
automatic, but it's harder to know which gear you are in.

Fairbanks boasts 15 degrees Fahrenheit this week, and the solenois froze
up - fitted a new one today. This weekend we leave for the North Slope -
no roads over the mountains so the car must stay here whilst we take the
Boeing north.

I'll be glad to get back to the Bronco in a few weeks, even though it's
not a Land Rover.

Hope this isn't too far off topic, just wanted to share it with you all.
I'm still unsubscribed so any replies please direct to
channel6@alaska.net

happy rovering folks!!!

Adrian Redmond

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