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From: Karl Kurz <kkurz@acad.umm.maine.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:34:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Unauthorized use of trails

I recently and reluctantly had to post my woodlot because so many people
were up in there chowdering up my roads.  And its not as if I don't like
using my Rovers and Unimog on the property. But some people are so stupid.
After spending $hundreds improving the road some moron goes up there after
the rain or in the spring (mudseason) and totally renders the paths
impassable.  I have no sympathy or humor in this matter, and for one, if I
catch anyone on my roads in the spring, rest assured the vehicle will
still be there in the fall.

Karl K. Kurz, N1JZY
POB 352, Machiasport
Maine, USA, 04655
207-255-8802

The right half of the brain controls the left half of the body.
Therefore, only left handed people are in their right mind.

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From: "John Baker" <daddyo@loxinfo.co.th>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:39:35 +0700
Subject: Brake Problem Solved

Some readers might recall I was having a problem bleeding the brakes on my
109 SIII. Many thanks to all for their suggestions. I just had a mechanic
well versed in LRs visit and he took one look at my Master Cylinder and
said "wrong one." That's OK, I only spent about 100 man hours trying to
make the system work, not like I had anything more important to do.

John
Bangkok

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From: "Andy Woodward" <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:47:27 +0100
Subject: Re: Wax oil

\You should try Minerial spirits in you waxoil mix.  It takes a little
\longer to evaporate but it is what waxoil is made  of & thinned with.

dEISEL or Parrafin (kerosene for teh transatlantically-challenged) thins it 
just 
fine and is far cheaper.

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:41:49 EDT
Subject: 'ello Major

test

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From: Marc Rengers <mr@b4m.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 98 14:59:17 +0200
Subject: Re: 'ello Major

Test received.

But now what?

Is it now common to start the coffeemugholder thread again?

Marc Rengers
Westeremden, Holland
mr@b4m.com
0596-551334 (home)
050-3666761 (work)
06-51550521 (GSM)
06-59111461 (pager)
http://www.minerva.fk.hanze.nl/landrover/index.html

           --_                                --_         
      _____|__\___                    ________|__\___     
      | _  |   |_ |}                  |  _    |   |_ |}   
      "(_)"""""(_)"                   ""(_)"""""""(_)"
 1978 88"  2.25 diesel            1968  109"  2.25 petrol
     reg. 47-DB-13                     reg. unknown    
      marine blue                 green (15 layers of paint)

also subscribed to LAND ROVER Owner International (great magazine)

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:32:50 -0400
Subject: Earthquake

At about 2:30 AM Wednesday, there was an earthquake in Buckingham County,
VA.  The epicenter was about 16 miles due south of Penlan Farm, the site of
the Mid Atlantic Land Rover rally.  While the 3.5 to 3.8 temblor was no
great shakes, (in California, this hiccup wouldn't raise an eyebrow, but
for Virginia it is indeed rare) Mike and Nancy said that they were awake
because the dogs started howling *before* the ground started to shake.
Mike said that you could hear it coming, passing through the farm, then
receeding into the distance.  There was no damage.

FWIW, the second and third most powerful earthquakes ever recorded in
Virginia were centered right there at Arvonia (a mile from the farm) in
1909.  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:07:52 -0700
Subject: filler plug

I've had S1, S2, Early S2A, and late S2A, and a S3 from Costa Rica,
and they all had filler plugs in the steering box.
Yours must be a unique collectors item. I like that upside down suggestion.
Bob B

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:09:42 -0500
Subject: RV: Bouncing Mail-Oil/Grease-Swivel Pin

>Your truck takes OIL in the swivels. Pack the hub bearings in GREASE when
you
>install them.
>That's all there is to it.

Just kidding.
I'm not even doing all the job. Got a mech. to do it for me. I'm not able to
take time off lately.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 98 07:20:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Earthquake

>At about 2:30 AM Wednesday, there was an earthquake in Buckingham County,
>VA.  The epicenter was about 16 miles due south of Penlan Farm, the site of
>the Mid Atlantic Land Rover rally.  While the 3.5 to 3.8 temblor was no
;>great shakes, (in California, this hiccup wouldn't raise an eyebrow, but
;>for Virginia it is indeed rare)

Actually that depends upon where you are.  If memory serves the force is 
reduced logarithmically from the epicenter.  Also the type of ground you 
are on makes a big difference. firmly packed ground composed of angular 
particals just moves with the wave.  loosly packed soil composed of 
rounded particals sets up little reflections & jiggles like a bowl of 
jelly.  During the 1906 San Francisco earthquiake, San Jose had a lot 
more earthquake damage than San Francisco did because San Francisco WAS 
sitting in firmly packed soil and San Jose is sitting over an underground 
lake.

The 1989 Loma Prieta 7.3 quake was centered about a mile from my house or 
about 70 miles South of San Francisco.  The biggest local damage areas 
were:

Down Town Santa Cruz because it is on loosly packed river sediment with 
rounded particals that move easily against one another.

Down town Watsonville forthe same reason

The San Francisco districts that were built upon debris from the 1906 
earthquake that had been pushed into the bay to make more land and had 
additional land fill added.  The Marina district of San Francisco is 
probably one of the most dangerous places in California to live.

People tend to forget that there are faults in the midWest or out East 
because the quakes happen so far appart.  But there have been some 
doosies out there and rumor has it that the midWest is dur for a big one. 
If I were to build a house anywhere I think I would follow the West coast 
earthquake codes. 

Rock & Roll

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:23:46 -0500
Subject: RE: Wax oil

or Parrafin (kerosene for teh transatlantically-challenged) thins it just 
>fine and is far cheaper.

Oh, you mean Canfin. So many things, so many names.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:28:44 -0500
Subject: RE: filler plug

>I've had S1, S2, Early S2A, and late S2A, and a S3 from Costa Rica,
>Bob B

Oh, another conoseur of the fine Costarican motors!

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:55:14 -0500
Subject: RE: Earthquake

>Actually that depends upon where you are.  If memory serves the force is
>reduced logarithmically from the epicenter.  Also the type of ground you
>are on makes a big difference. firmly packed ground composed of angular
>particals just moves with the wave.  loosly packed soil composed of
>rounded particals sets up little reflections & jiggles like a bowl of
>jelly.

There is also another factor. If the ground is firmly packed or it is
composed of rock the waves can travel longer and srtonger. If the ground is
loose or is made of mostly fractured rock, this kind of ground does not
transmit the waves as well and they dont reach far.
Not that I'm into geology, but I have been working lately preparing
documents for some cases of aleged damages caused by explosives used on a
road construction.

>People tend to forget that there are faults in the midWest or out East
>because the quakes happen so far appart.  But there have been some
>doosies out there and rumor has it that the midWest is dur for a big one.
>If I were to build a house anywhere I think I would follow the West coast
>earthquake codes.
>Rock & Roll

You learn to live with this "movements". Now-days I dont wake up in the
night if it is not at least a 4.0 one. (not that I get out of my bed even
then).
I think there is a clasification where it is not an Earthquake if it doesn't
reach something like 5.5 or the like.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Wilson, Scott" <wilsons@msmail.vislab.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:07 -0500
Subject: RE: Earthquake

> aleged damages caused by explosives
> used on a road construction.

Wonder which side he's representing on this one... =:)

 -S  

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From: "Dr. Russ" <rgdushin@blackcat.cat.syr.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:23:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: home made waxoyls

hey folks, just a reminder...don't be boiling highly volatile
and flammable solvents over open flames or electric burners...
use steam (like you've got it...) or boil up a bunch of water
and do your mixing/melting in a container you heat in the
hot water...

r"careful now"d/nige

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From: "Mark Talbot" <rangerover@top.monad.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:27:26 -0400
Subject: Carnage hill...wanna try it ? 

I have had several requests from people asking to try "Carnage Hill". As the
power line run was a success a few weekends back. I'm going to run another
power line trip on Sunday 22nd November. This time we will start at the
beginning of the lines, take us to "Carnage hill" and then finish the
remaining lines.

This is an excellent run to get experience, but also provides enough
challenges to the experienced off-roader. "Carnage hill" should only be
attempted by trucks with lockers and Underbody protection. We could drag you
up with a winch cable !! Those that completed the VT/NH run a few weekends
ago will know about this trail.

This is limited to 10 trucks ! pass the word around...and e-mail me back

Mark

1988 Range Rover.. (D100)

Loaded up for the rough stuff

1993 Range Rover..

Plushmobile

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:42:59 +0000
Subject: Re: home made waxoyls

>use steam (like you've got it...) or boil up a bunch of water
>and do your mixing/melting in a container you heat in the
>hot water...

Knowing Alan,he'll do it in a Bain Marie.....

Uncle Mike

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From: "Wilson, Scott" <wilsons@msmail.vislab.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:48 -0500
Subject: RE: Carnage hill...wanna try it ? 

Wish I could mark... the next day, though, I'll be on a plane to
Paris... Oh well... (going to be in england for three weeks with
a hired D-90, though... just driving around getting lost. should
be fun - hope I can get some guys from the green lane list to
show me around a bit...)

But anyway... the last trip with you inspired me... The SIII is
great fun, and all, but I think my next project may be a Rangie.
While I'm in the city, I need something that's a little more
reliable, anyhow... but anyway... when I get back from Europe,
I'll probably be looking for a Range Rover... probably something
from 88-91... It seems odd (not that I'm complaining) that you
can get those rovers for less than 10k... 7-8k usually...
So anyway when I get it, I'll be looking for some info on how
best to get a lift and what other fun stuff to do to it... (or if you
know of anyone ridding themselves of a rangie...)

I could do that type of stuff to my SIII, but I enjoy the fact that
I can get almost anywhere any of you crazy guys can get to
with nothing special (ie lockers, huge tires, etc...)

well, have fun on the lines that weekend...

 -Scott  

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:33:47 EDT
Subject: Re: Earthquake

Funny you should mention that!

We've had a few tremors that I can recall, in which you could hear them
coming, and going! I've told people this, and they thought I was nuts!

Charles

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:52:29 -0400
Subject: Re: home made waxoyls

Knowing Alan,he'll do it in a Bain Marie.....

Uncle Mike

If you think I am going to screw up my bain-marie with this stuff you're crazed.
It's far easier to use my brew boiling kettle as a double boiler, by using a
retired keg in said boiler as a container.

The nicest bit is that using a soda keg or the like, with the proper fittings
and a spray wand, makes it easy to spray a car's underside using CO2 as a
propellant medium through the keg fittings. Leave the keg in the hot water and
just spray away - the thermal mass will keep the damned stuff hot as long as
it's needed.

Come to think of it, there's another nice article to be written there.....8*)

               ajr

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:12:29 +0000
Subject: Re: home made waxoyls

>If you think I am going to screw up my bain-marie with this stuff you're
>crazed.
>It's far easier to use my brew boiling kettle as a double boiler, by using a
>retired keg in said boiler as a container.

Now I'm really disappointed.I thought at least you'd use a glue kettle..

Uncle Mike

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:17:47 -0700
Subject: Post your solutions

Every day this list contains a number of posts from people asking how to
deal with a particular problem.  Subsequent lists generally contain one or
more suggested solutions.  Many of these responses contain multiple-choice
suggestions: "it could be this, this, this, or this."  Presumably, the
person with the problem then sets about trying to solve it.

Many times, this person then posts the action it took to finally solve the
problem, as did the fellow who  recently experienced fuel starvation in
higher gears (subject line was "engine problem)".  Quite often, however, the
person with the problem is not heard from again, or at least he or she does
not follow up with a post describing what actually solved their problem.  I
think it would be very useful to all of us if people who've described a
problem on the list and subsequently solved that problem, either using the
shop manual, advice from the list, trial and error, etc., would then post a
short message saying what the actual solution turned out to be.  This would
be particularly valuable if the problem had several potential causes and
remedies.  Even a post describing a simple and obvious solution to a simple
problem would be useful: how many of us have overlooked the obvious in
trying to figure something out?

Series Land Rovers all have the same basic components, which mean there is a
finite number of failure modes (a huge number, granted, but finite
nevertheless).  So all of us tend to experience the same sort of problems at
one time or another.  Being able to build a "file" of actual solutions, as
opposed to speculated remedies, could prove to be very helpful.  If the
subject line contained the keyword "solution," that would be helpful, as
well.

If this concept has been discussed in the past, I apologize for covering old
ground.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:29:40 -0700
Subject: Springs NWC

Oh, my - this subject is nearly as sensitive as oil/grease in the hubs and
more sensitive than carburetor talk.

I just wanted to share a discovery with the group. I have been diligently
looking at springs for the past year, but last week, I took a ride, both off
road and on road in a vehicle that had truly surprising suspension.

I was in a 1980 109 military 2 door soft top. The vehicle was not heavily
loaded (rather light most of the time - we were loaded up once). The ride,
articulation and load carrying ability were great. It had a smooth ride on
the road and great articulation off road (I drove the vehicle for a portion
of the day during the Northwest Challenge).

So, what were these 'magical' springs, I asked? Well, they are stock 109
springs (with the overloads) for a Santana. No, the springs were not a
parabolic spring either - they are the Santana leaf springs.

I thought that I had smooth springs (I run dry graphite between my leaves) -
well, I still have smoother springs, but, the springs on the 109 were
impressive. The fellow picked them up from Ray Wood at Wise Owl, in
Vancouver - for anyone who might be interested.

The Northwest Challenge was great - lots of rain, mud, water, rock and
fun..........and winching. People came to the Fraser Valley, B.C. from
California, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, B.C. and Alberta. There were some 26
vehicles, 13 teams (a team was 2 vehicles, 4 people), participating in a two
day event. Some body damage, a lightweight went over on it's side, a D90
diff that kissed a rock and the crown chewed through the casing, broken half
shaft, flat tires, broken engine mounts, pushed in bumpers........nothing
major. It was a great time. It will be held this next year, in Washington.

Cheers
David
Full-time father of Alexander - 3.85 years old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home, ketch rigged
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:07:24 -0500
Subject: RE: Earthquake

>> aleged damages caused by explosives
>> used on a road construction.
>Wonder which side he's representing on this one... =:)

The winning one!!

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:34:15 -0500
Subject: Bushings

I have a question.
What are the "poly bushings" I've heard so much talk about?

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Leo Ponton <leo@deadly.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:55:47 +0100

help
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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:54:35 -1000
Subject: Re: Unauthorized use of trails

>I recently and reluctantly had to post my woodlot because so many people
>were up in there chowdering up my roads.

Growing up we had a 15 acre woodlot in Readfield.  Readfield may not be as
far off the beaten track as Machias Port, but the location of the lot sure
seemed like it was out in the middle of no where.  Any way our problem was
always having wood stolen.  Seemed like every time we went out there someone
had cut the lock.  I remember after a while of this we pulled out a big old
white pine to block the road.  Wouldn't ya know it, went out there one
spring and the pine had been cut up and taken.
Pete

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:15:40 -1000
Subject: Re: Earthquake

>I think there is a clasification where it is not an Earthquake if it
doesn't
>reach something like 5.5 or the like.

Hmm, you mean like with hurricanes?  So maybe those under 5.5 shakes are
just "Tropical Shimmies"?

Pete

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:26:37 -0500
Subject: RE: Earthquake

>>I think there is a clasification where it is not an Earthquake if it
>doesn't
>>reach something like 5.5 or the like.
>Hmm, you mean like with hurricanes?  So maybe those under 5.5 shakes are
>just "Tropical Shimmies"?
>Pete

It is a shame they don't get names too. Something like: "Earthquake
Matilda". Interesting thought.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:26:23 -1000
Subject: Re: Bushings

>What are the "poly bushings" I've heard so much talk about?

Polyurathane (sp) suspension bushings.  After market replacement for the
rubber ones.  I believe these originated in the sports car market as the
ones I know of are stiffer then the oe rubber ones. They also last longer
then rubber.  Anyway a stiffer bush gives a stiffer suspension and more road
feel.  Very noticible improvement when fitted on a friends GTI.   You see
poly kits made for all the major marque SUV's in the US.  It would seem to
me that a stiffer suspension is not something you would want on an off raod
vehicle, specially a rover, but what do I know
Pete

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:43:25 EDT
Subject: Re: Bushings

In a message dated 10/22/98 1:36:24 PM SA Pacific Standard Time,
phope@hawaii.rr.com writes:

<<  It would seem to
 me that a stiffer suspension is not something you would want on an off raod
 vehicle, specially a rover, but what do I know >>

Pete, you know what I am wondering, for one thing. 

I too cannot see why I would put stiffer (read: limits articulation) bushings
on my vehicle. I can see some areas where they would be an improvement, but
not in every location. I have a coiler, and I wouldn't want poly bushings
where the radius & trailing arms mount, because in those locations I can
visualize their impediment to travel. If I drove a grocery-getter-land-rover,
I would probably not hesitate to put them in, along with Bilstein Shocks
(which I also feel are not for the dirt-oriented LR)

.02

--pat.

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:30:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Springs NWC

<< So, what were these 'magical' springs, I asked? Well, they are stock 
109 springs (with the overloads) for a Santana. No, the springs were 
not a parabolic spring either - they are the Santana leaf springs. >>

 Santana leaf springs are Parabolics. That is where they originate.

 Paul

 Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:30

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:29:23 -1000
Subject: Re: Bushings

>Pete, you know what I am wondering, for one thing.
>I too cannot see why I would put stiffer (read: limits articulation)

bushings
>on my vehicle.

Maybe we are just missing something??
Or maybe its one of those situations where there is nothing left to buy
hahaha
Pete

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From: Matthew James Moore <mjm@unr.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:30:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Springs NWC

On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, Paul Lonsdale wrote:

>  Santana leaf springs are Parabolics. That is where they originate.

Parabolics for LRs started with Santana but Santana did not start with
parabolics.  Mine has regular springs as did all Santana trucks prior to
the IIIa models which began in 1982.

Matt Moore
Ser III Santana 88'
92 Range Rover

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:41:27 -0300
Subject: Re: home made waxoyls

Dr. Russ wrote:
> hey folks, just a reminder...don't be boiling highly volatile
> and flammable solvents over open flames or electric burners...
> use steam (like you've got it...) or boil up a bunch of water
> and do your mixing/melting in a container you heat in the
> hot water...

 You are of course right. My mix doesn't have any solvents. I use the
heat to melt the wax and to encourage the mix to creep when applied.
Chain oil is designed to tolerate heat at temperatures well above the
boiling point. It not necessary to heat to that point any way just to
where it would be really uncomfortable to touch.
  I really have no desire to inflict 3rd degree burns on myself...again.
       John and Muddy

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From: "scheidt, david" <dscheidt@att.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:09:01 -0400
Subject: Re: home made waxoyls

<Al Richer writes of using beer-brewing equipment as a waxoyl cooking tool>

I hope you don't get the keg of waxoyl confused with the one with beer in.  
I have my doubts about the rust preventing properties of fermented barley,
that and I thought our trusty chemist had decided waxoyl was a dessert
topping.

David

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:07:59 -0500
Subject: RE: Springs NWC

>>  Santana leaf springs are Parabolics. That is where they originate.
>Parabolics for LRs started with Santana but Santana did not start with
>parabolics.  Mine has regular springs as did all Santana trucks prior to
>the IIIa models which began in 1982.

Of all Santanas that I've seen, which are usually pre-82, none has
parabolics. They are  all SIIIs. I think Matt is correct here. Sadly
"SIIIa"s never did cross the big pond.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Markus Korth <mkorth@systline.de>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:03:28 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: re: Generator not charging

Hi !

Just a small update - didn't have enough time to do some deeper
checks up to now:

> :Today I made the painful experience that my generator in my 24V
> :Lightweight doesn't charge the batteries, or, to be more accurate: The

> gennys output is less than the current drawn.  If it doesn't light, it means
> one
> of three things: 1) the generator is functioning correctly 2) the wiring is
> wrong 
> 3) the bulb is burnt out.  The idiot light is part of the circuit that is

Thanks for the info; the idiot light doesn't light, so the points you
mentioned will be the first one checked on saturday...
Does 3) mean that a burnt out bulb opens the circuit ?
 
> You can tell if the generator is producing any output 
> by measuring from its output terminal to ground.  (The output should be the
> heaviest gauge wire leaving the genny.)   You should have somewhat more than

That's my problem: the 24V generator has, if I remember right, 5 outgoing
wires via a socket for a corresponding plug - all the same size (I think
the additional wires are for the auxiliary/radio batteries). Perhaps I
should have a deeper look into the circuit diagram of my users manual...

Ciao
 Markus

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:54:41 -0700
Subject: Re: Bushings

Peter Hope wrote:
= 
==Pete, you know what I am wondering, for one thing.
==I too cannot see why I would put stiffer (read: limits articulation)
= Maybe we are just missing something??
	I have used poly bushings, although not on my Rover. The only reason I
could see to use them on a Rover is maybe longer life. Other 4wd's have
bushings in the suspension where a stiffer bushing would give more
responsive steering and better handling. I don't see however, how they
would limit articulation, or help it for that matter. The only thing
they would be doing is keeping the springs from sliding and twisting on
the bolts, nothing more. If they were priced close enough to rubber
bushings, I would probably buy the poly instead, but I wouldn't hesitate
to buy the rubber ones if the poly bushes were over priced. Just one
more opinion.

Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88" truck cab

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From: "Riaan Botes" <riaanb@iafrica.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:18:17 +0200
Subject: RE: Bushings (Longish)

Pete wrote>
It would seem to me that a stiffer suspension is not something you would
want
on an off road vehicle, specially a rover, but what do I know

Probably a lot of experience Pete

Spyder wrote>
I too cannot see why I would put stiffer (read: limits articulation)
bushings
on my vehicle. I can see some areas where they would be an improvement, but
not in every location. I have a coiler, and I wouldn't want poly bushings
where the radius & trailing arms mount, because in those locations I can
visualise their impediment to travel. If I drove a
grocery-getter-land-rover,
I would probably not hesitate to put them in, along with Bilstein Shocks
(which I also feel are not for the dirt-oriented LR)

I have recently fitted poly bushes to my coiler ('96 tdi PU) after a very
long debate with myself. Here in South Africa there is a crowd that make
their own and they had 3 adaptations over brands such as OME, which finally
decided the issue, because I too was very concerned about increased
stiffness.
1. They make this stuff in 3 stiffness levels - so you can choose the type
best suited for your application.
2. As opposed to the LR OEM trailing arm bushes which are flat and when your
vehicle is a rest there is a gap between the rubber and mounting on the top,
they make theirs bevelled to remove this. So as the axles rises it does so
against the bushes immediately.
3. They make them in black - not only bright yellow.

I am using the medium stiffness and it has improved the overall ride. I have
not yet encountered any measurable loss of articulation - and its not for
lack of trying :-) This is my working vehicle with which I do a lot of
offroad stuff in our very hilly and rough rural areas.

The main advantage I think is the longer life one can expect from these
bushes. On our coast rubber does not last long.

Riaan Botes
'96 Tdi 110 PU
'76 SIII 109 , 2.25l Petrol PU
'51-52 SI 80"

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From: "Riaan Botes" <riaanb@iafrica.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:29:21 +0200
Subject: RE: Bushings/Bilsteins?

If I drove a
|grocery-getter-land-rover,
|I would probably not hesitate to put them in, along with
|Bilstein Shocks
|(which I also feel are not for the dirt-oriented LR)
|.02

Spyder why not Bilsteins? This concerns me as I have some on order. When I
had my poly bushes fitted, new shocks were also needed.
I was quoted to have Ironman's fitted at first. When they pulled the old
stuff off and they replaced my front coils which had collapsed they
hurriedly revised their recommendation upwards to OME and then decided that
Bilstein's were the answer. They were concerned that the rings (the things
that bolt to the vehicle) may break. Both brands cost about the same so they
have nothing to gain from that point.

Your opinion would be apprecaited.

Riaan Botes
'96 Tdi 110 PU
'76 SIII 109 , 2.25l Petrol PU
'51-52 SI 80"

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:01:18
Subject: Steering Wheels

>I remember measuring my first L-R 80" that I had and it was 15/16 diameter
>spline. The only steering wheels I could find in the books was some early
>Jags and the Healey 3000.
>I don't know if they use the pinch bolt mounting however.

Let me get this straight, Are you saying that these Healey and Jag.
steering wheels will fit the older steering box for Land-Rover? What a
wonderful thing to have a burl walnut steering wheel on Vicky 8^).

Jim Wolf

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:21:50 EDT
Subject: Re:  RE: Bushings/Bilsteins?

In a message dated 10/22/98 8:02:25 PM, you wrote:

<<Spyder why not Bilsteins? This concerns me as I have some on order. When I
had my poly bushes fitted, new shocks were also needed.
I was quoted to have Ironman's fitted at first. When they pulled the old
stuff off and they replaced my front coils which had collapsed they
hurriedly revised their recommendation upwards to OME and then decided that
Bilstein's were the answer. They were concerned that the rings (the things
that bolt to the vehicle) may break. Both brands cost about the same so they
have nothing to gain from that point.

Your opinion would be apprecaited.>>

It is just my opinion, but after having been in two otherwise identical LR's,
one with bilsteins the other with OME shocks, that the one with Bilsteins is
more for street driving, the one with OME's less so.

The Bilstein'ed LR cornered better, but the ride off road was definitely
harsher. I really am starting to think that people who put the Bilsteins into
an offroader tell people they are better merely because they just spent $$$
and have to justify it; but my butt tells me otherwise.

In my quest to increase the articulation, Bilsteins are out. (The front
articulation limit is controlled by shock travel, if the one puts in too long-
travel shocks, the springs will fall out) I'm planning on Ranchos or OME's.

That's just my opinion... ymmv.

--pat.

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:01:53 EDT
Subject: Re: steering wheels

Well...I took a looksee at my steering box today, and sure 'nuff, it's an
early type (no filler/drain plugs). So basically I'm screwed, since it's been
making those 'ol "Halloween noises" ever since I got it (about 3 years now),
and I wouldn't think that rebuild parts are still available.

Charles

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:46:54
Subject: Re: Replacing pipe plug in left rear side of engine.

	My trusty rover left me stranded for the first time in a decade and a 
half
of ownership.  Driving to work and smelled coolant, immediately looked
around to see which poor soul was leaking, unfortunately there was no one
besides myself around.  looked at the temp gauge and it was bouncing
between normal the peg.  Pulled over immediately, lifted the bonnet, and
saw coolant trickling to the ground from behind the exhaust manifold at the
rear of the engine.  Remembered I had a gallon of water in a sprayer in the
back so dumped that in.  Water immediately poured out in a 1/4" diameter
stream.  Obviously had a small problem.  After the deluge subsided, got
down on the ground, reached up without brushing my arm up against the
exhaust pipe or manifold, and discovered the pipe thread plug at the back
of the engine had no inside to it.  Tow time.
	Pulled the manifolds and carb this evening to get at it.  Tried 
everything
I know, heat, cold, inside wrench, pipe wrench on the outside but can't
make the plug budge.  Finally ended up by breaking the shoulder off the plug.
	Need some ideas on how to get this plug out without removing the engine
and hauling it off to a machine shop.  Also wondering why the plug would
corrode away in only 3 years since I rebuilt the engine???
	Made another discovery, one of the freeze plugs has been leaking and 
looks
very corroded.  Appears to be on its last legs.  Is it possible to replace
the freeze plug in the vehicle and how do you go about doing it????

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:31:39 EDT
Subject: Re: Replacing pipe plug in left rear side of engine.

A couple of options and an observation for the engine corroding from the
inside out.

The pipe plug rotted out.  Let's be glad you had the warning, but the rotten
freeze plug was going to tell you the same thing soon anyway.  If one freeze
plug is rotten enough t leak the others are not far behind.  You can fit a
couple of types of freeze plugs, steel or combination rubber/steel and solve
the present problem.  If you aren't far from a re-build, that might make
sense.  If you use the vehicle in situations where the surprise absence of the
use of the motor won't bother you that is.  Judicious heat with protection for
combustible parts, (the rest of the truck) will get the remnants of the plug
(s) out.  

The most common cause of the problem is a period of running with insufficient
anti-freeze.

I have the greatest sympathy for your plight, been there, done that, bought
all the new plugs.

Zack Arbios
67 88 sw

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:32:58 +1000
Subject: Re: More Stuff

Found on the net:
From: Phil Dooley, Phoenix Az, pdooley@amug.org on 19/10/1998 18:38

I am currently converting a '77 MGB to Rover SD-1 V8 and 5spd, and have
recently aquired 11 215 alloy engines. About half are the Buick four bolt
per cylinder engines and the other half are the five bolt Olds 215s. Some
are complete engines and others are split apart into components, but all
appear to be rebuildable.

 If anyone is interested, please give me a call at 602-759-1388.
Evenings after six are best. You might try my email address but have changed
ISPs and it may slip thru the cracks.

Phil Dooley, Phoenix Az, pdooley@amug.org

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