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From: "Andy Woodward" <azw@aber.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:40:06 +0100
Subject: question about tyre inflation and mud

\ would like to ask about going off road into mud,
 \would decreasing tyre inflation help traction on mud, especially the clay
\type of mud?  i ask because recently on my way back from our farm, i was
\driving along the ridge of some rice fields to get to the road from inside
\the farm and i slipped into the the canal of the field, on wheel was in the
\canal and the other tyres couldn't get enough traction to back up. had to
\dig out the mud from the forward diff and push the truck out. i read about
\deflating the tyres when going on rocks so was wondering if it works for
\mud as well? 

Mud is funny stuff. If there's nothing beneath it (likein a peat bog) then you 
must not break surface - so airing down spread teh laod over awider area and 
helps this. However most farm mud in the UK is best dealt wioth by narrow 
tyres designed to cut down thru the mud to more solid material underneath 

Traction Mileage fitted to 88s as standard). Floating on mud wont give as 
much traction as cutting thru it. But obviously if you keep cutting to teh 
axles 
ad there's still noting solid here, you're stuffed.......

Not entirely seriously, but maybe a bit.....
Maybe teh solution is as in competitive tractor pulling and use spin traction - 
to ignore the text book completely and rev the bugger as hard as possible to 
spin the wheels as fast as possible, the reaction of the crap thrown out 
backwards forcing teh tyres onto the leading edge of its rut into new muck to 
kick out backwards and cotinue he process. Appaently they do this cos it 
gives more thrust than trying to slog it out with non-spining whls at high 
torque and no spin. Never tried it myself, but it is noticeable that Arab 
desert 
hands rev like hell and go very fast with all four spining like crazy in the 
sand 
and dont get stuck, where visitors try to slog and instantly burrow to 
Australia.

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From: IBEdwardp@aol.com
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:43:01 EDT
Subject: Re: Weather stripping/Door seals

In a message dated 98-10-15 10:58:30 EDT, you write:

<< Does anyone have any experience using the molded sponge rubber
 weatherstripping sold by J.C.Whitney ?  >>
I used the sponge stick-on stuff from JCW about a year ago and so far so good.
Taped it at the door bends until it "set," Doesn't look original but it seems
to keep out most of the water.  # is 13NL3178W. Usual disclaimers, of course. 

Ed Bailey
66 S2a 88
Somewhere in East Tennessee

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:55:09 -0300
Subject: Re: question about tyre inflation and mud

Ed Alvarez wrote:

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:55:08 -0700
Subject: RE rear bolt on fuel tank

>From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
>Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 12:21:58 -0500
>Subject: Re[2]: REAR BOLT ON SWB ROVER FUEL TANK 
>>Keith,
>>I would put the bolt in with the threads up. That way they are protected
>>from beind deformed by a rock, and therefor easier to remove at a later

time.
>>Bob B
>Well Bob, actually if you managed to hit *that* bolt with a rock then the
>Subject: Re[2]: REAR BOLT ON SWB ROVER FUEL TANK 
>>Keith,
tnak 
>will likely have already been removed for you...
>Otherwise its a perfectly sound suggestion.
>cheers
>dave
>>from beind deformed by a rock, and therefor easier to remove at a later
You're right of course! Without looking underneath, I spoke while thinking
about any bolt that points down getting the threads damaged. Forgot the
tank lip is up a bit.
Thankyou for straightening me out.

Bob B

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:20:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Defrost Fan FS

Hi All-
	I ordered a fan for my rover to help with defrosting.  The place I
bought it through had to order two, so there is one there for sale.  The
fan is all metal w/chrome guard, Al fan blades, die-cast 360 degree swivel
base, and puts out 250 cfm.  It fits perfectly between my dash vents, and
can blow on either window or on either passenger.  It also has a variable
speed control.  This is the type of fan you find in busses or semi's - it
is not a plastic el-cheapo model.  The people who make them, supply parts
when needed.  I'm just trying to help this guy out, he has been pretty nice
to me in the past.  Contact me off list if you are interested.  Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:28:11 EDT
Subject: Re:  Defrost Fan FS

In a message dated 10/16/98 10:23:30 AM, you wrote:

<<I ordered a fan for my rover to help with defrosting.>> 
[snip] 
<<It fits perfectly between my dash vents, and
can blow on either window or on either passenger.>>

If your passengers need defrosting, it is time to park the rover and build a
fire under it for warmth

;-)

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 08:42:55 -0700
Subject: Re: question about tyre inflation and mud

>i would like to ask about going off road into mud,
> would decreasing tyre inflation help traction on mud, especially the clay
>type of mud? 

Wet sticky clay is nasty stuff to be driving in.  The good news is that 
it has enough structure that you normally do not sink into it unless you 
sit in one place and spin your tyres until you did a deep enough hole.  
The bad news is that you have next to no traction so steering is very 
iffy and you can get stuck on very gentle uphill slopes with one wheel at 
each end slipping.

 It does an excellent job of sticking to tyres creating a clay belt 
around the outside of the tyre.  Once you are dealing with a smooth wet 
clay tyre surface on a wet clay ground you have very little traction and 
steering becomes very iffy.  Mud tyres sold for street use will almost 
always quickly clog up in sticky clay.  The military tyres and special 
off pavement only tyres are about the only things I know of that will 
throw off sticky wet clay.  

I have found that the Quafe limited slip up front helps keep me sorta 
going in the general direction that I point the front tyres.  It has 
saved me from getting good & stuck on wet clay a few times.

The best driving method I have found so far to keep from sliding off a 
wet sticky clay trail is to put my tyres in an existing rut and use them 
like rails to keep my car going in the correct general direction.  Of 
course this assumes that the ruts are not too deep.

We are dealing with a large weight on a slick surface, so the more 
momentum you build up the harder it will be to turn it.  I generally take 
wet sticky clay very slowly so that if the car does decide to follow it's 
vector rather than change it to where I want to turn, I will get into a 
minimum of trouble.  I think there would be some similarities to ice 
driving when the ice is not level.

Airing down tyres helps where you want to widen a tyre's grip or spread 
the weight of your car over a wider surface to keep from sinking and 
burying the diffs.  I do not think it will be of any help in wet sticky 
clay when your traction is a thick clay tyre belt on clay.  I'm sure that 
there are many people eager to correct me if I am wrong.

If the clay is wet enough it starts acting more like mud and good 
streetable mud tyres can clear themselves and get some traction.  The 
airing down can help in that situation.  If the clay surface is just 
surface wet, you may be better off cutting down to the dry hopefully less 
slippery surface.  

One of the fun things about mud is that there are so many different kinds 
and each takes some what different techniques to successfully drive 
through. 

Happy trails

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "Scott Phillips" <goin4xn@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:48:48 PDT
Subject: Series Hard top for D90?

I have been told that an aluminium hard top from the old Series Land 
Rovers will fit on the Defender 90's.  Does anybody know of any place 
that I can final one of these old hard tops or have one that they want 
to sell?  I am really wnting to replace the POS plastic hard top and the 
PITA soft top on my '94 D90.

Please reply to my e-mail address as I am not currently on the list.
goin4xn@hotmail.com

Thanks

Russ Phillips

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From: "Wilson, Scott" <wilsons@msmail.vislab.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:06 -0500
Subject: RE: question about tyre inflation and mud

> I have found that the Quafe limited slip up front helps keep
> me sorta going in the general direction that I point the front

I am very interested in learning about what different diff lockers
are available for standard SIII axles. I would like something
that is a limited slip instead of a solid locker, but I really don't
know what all is available to us.

As far as clay type mud (we call it gumbo in Mississippi, as
that's about the most common type)... I will agree with
TerriAnn here... keep them aired up, and they will throw
off the mud better than if they aren't... Something that
I have found is that while working uphill (VERY DIFFICULT
if it's steep enough) the sides of the tires are what give you
most of your traction... good tires in this case are
something like the original tires... TracEdges or something
to that effect... I have Cooper Discoverer STT's... great
side traction for the mud... Using the sides of the tires
for traction involves a lot of side to side steering very fast
(this is when you are moving slowly or stuck, not while
actually moving!!!) - Of course by this time, Tread Lightly
has been violated, and there is mud in every nook and
cranny in your rover... but hey... it's fun...

 -Scott  

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:07:01 -0700
Subject: Re: question about tyre inflation and mud

Driving in slippery clay mud........
Chains work really good in this situation.

Cheers
David
Full-time father of Alexander - 3.85 years old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home, ketch rigged
wahooadv@earthlink.net

>hello list,
>i would like to ask about going off road into mud,
> would decreasing tyre inflation help traction on mud, especially the clay
>type of mud?  i ask because recently on my way back from our farm, i was
>driving along the ridge of some rice fields to get to the road from inside
>the farm and i slipped into the the canal of the field, on wheel was in the
>canal and the other tyres couldn't get enough traction to back up. had to
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>thank you,
>Ed Alvarez

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:25:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re:  Defrost Fan FS

>>It fits perfectly between my dash vents, and
>>can blow on either window or on either passenger.

>If your passengers need defrosting, it is time to park the rover and build a
>fire under it for warmth   ;-)

I'll tell ya man, some people in that thing really need a defrost!  They
are totally baffeled by the fact that I drive a 35 year old aliminum box,
and especially since it's a RHD!

My previous SO would have prefered to build a fire underneath it though!!!

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: "John McMaster" <john@chiaroscuro.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:55:37 +0100
Subject: RE: Disco steel wheels

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 11:08:14 -0700
Subject: RE: question about tyre inflation and mud

<SNIP>
>most of your traction... good tires in this case are
;>something like the original tires... TracEdges or something
;>to that effect... <SNIP>

Track edges look like they are street tread in the middle with the mud 
terrain outer cleats on both outside edges.  As near as I have been able 
to tell from reading B.F. Goodrich tyre brochures the trackedge has their 
light truck sidewalls.  Their armored sidewalls are only listed in the 
brochure for the all terrains and the mud terrains.  

I know from experience that the outside cleats of my mud terrains clog up 
in sticky clay too.  That only makes them of slight use when working the 
front wheels side to side in the goo.  I suspect that if wet sticky clay 
is a common place for you to drive a tyre like the super swampers with 
tread on the side walls would be your best bet.

As far as your requested data points for limited slip, I think the Quaife 
up front is great.  The quaife kicks in gradually so that you do not feel 
it.  The car steering does not react to it engaging.  The only way I can 
tell it is there is that the car goes where I point it much better and 
the front handles obsticals better.  In my opinion, next to the Salisbury 
rear, the Quafe up front is the best mod on the drive train.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "Matthew J. Clement" <matt@home-mac.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:01:34 +0100
Subject: UK License Plates Available

Several months ago I offered to provide a set of UK license plates for a member
on this list, and was innundated with requests for other plates.  Thanks to the
miracles of modern technology, I have arranged to accept credit cards, which
makes any transaction much easier, and limits risks to both parties.

As a result, I am once again able to offer custom UK license plates *AT COST*
to those who would like them to add a touch of authenticity to their vehicles.
I can provide any combination of letters and numbers (subject to space, of
course) and can provide new or old style plates.

If you would like more information or prices, or would like to order a set for
your Land Rover, please visit my web site:

http://www.home-mac.demon.co.uk/ukplates/index.htm

 Again, this is not a business to make money, but a genuine service for other

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:32:41 -1000
Subject: Re: Diesel back to petrol cconversion.

Aloha Alan,
I was kind of curious if you had any ideas as to what type of V-8?
Something from an old Range Rover that would mostly bolt right up or
something different that would require adapters to fit to the tranny?
I have an old mag liying around that has an article discussing how to modify
the friction plate on the RR V-8 to fit it with a 2A transmission.  I can
scan and send if ya like
Pete

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:34:10 -1000
Subject: Re: Scale Diagrams

>good drawings in the factory repair manual, with quite a few measurements.
>At least, in the SIII manual.

Excellent.  Do you have a scanner by chance?
Pete

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@email.msn.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:42:21 +0100
Subject: Series III rocksliders..............

My 1978 SIII 109" is in dire need of some replacement sills.....I just keep
bending/cracking/deforming them.....I'm in the UK, so has anyone here any
good experience of STRONG replacement systems...aka rock sliders etc?

Cost and supplier would be VERY nice like...............I know I can look up
some ads, but I want to know if anyone has used any types etc....(how can I
persuade the wife to part with more cash if I can't say X has them and he
SAYS there good!)

Neil

SIII 109" 1978 - 'The Rancor'

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:51:49 -1000
Subject: Re: Series Hard top for D90?

>I have been told that an aluminium hard top from the old Series Land
>Rovers will fit on the Defender 90's.

Luis Manuel Gutierrez, from the list, has a D90 that has a series hard top.
But it also has the older Series split front windscreen.  The window frame
on the Defenders is taller then the Series vehicles, so this would need
changing.  He recently mentioned going away for a bit and I don't remember
if he was going off list.

Also becasue the 90 has 4.4 inches more wheelbase then a Series I think the
cab is is a couple of inches longer also.  Never measured so not exactly
sure where.  Any way  I believe you would have to cut and stretch the Series
top to fit.  Most likely the easiest place would be between the door and the
window.

Finally, is this a NAS 90?  If so you also have the roll bar to worry about.

Pete

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:15:52 -1000
Subject: Re: Mud Tires and Diff Lockers

>TeriAnn Wakeman   wrote:
>As near as I have been able
>to tell from reading B.F. Goodrich tyre brochures the trackedge has their
>light truck sidewalls.  Their armored sidewalls are only listed in the
>brochure for the all terrains and the mud terrains.

This is correct.  The Trac Edge is a 2 ply sidewall tire designed for
commercial applications.  That is one reason is only comes in 16 and 16.5
sizes.  As a commercial tire is is also designed to last longer, so they use
a slightly harder rubber compound to get more milage from them.  The A/T,
M/T, Baja, and Moabs are the only BFG's with the triple ply sidewalls.
Notice this is all sidewall related, all tires have three in the tread.

>The quaife kicks in gradually so that you do not feel
>it.  In my opinion, next to the Salisbury
>rear, the Quafe up front is the best mod on the drive train.

I have not seen the Quafe listed in any of the US parts books, who carries
them?
You mention that it was a limited slip I think, anyone have any experience
with true lockers?
TA, are you running fixed or select hubs?  If fixed, have you noticed any
difference in the steering on the tarmac?
I was told long ago that you could run a straight locker in the front of a
vehicle with select hubs.  When on the pavement the hubs are out so it's not
an issue.  When off pavement the whole front is locked, any thoughts on
this?
Does the Salsbury rear have a locker/limited slip in it, or is it just
stronger?

I am thinking of running an ARB rear, hubs and full lock in front (weld the
spiders to the carrier?).  My Rover will be going back Mainland when we
leave in 2001 and we will most likely end up in SoCal.  So I will be doing
mostly rock/canyon and desert driving.  Don't think I will see much gumbo.
It is because of the cross axle stuff so prominent in the South West that I
am thinking lockers.  Would love to hear some opinions on this one.

Mahalo
Pete
70 IIa 88" (picking it up tomorrow morning.  Yeeeehaaaw)

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From: "Wilson, Scott" <wilsons@msmail.vislab.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:29 -0500
Subject: RE: Mud Tires and Diff Lockers

> So I will be doing
> mostly rock/canyon and desert driving.

If you will be seeing lots of rock, it seems that you would want
a limited slip in the front. If not, steering will be a bit tough
if you are on solid rock. To answer your question about TerriAnn's
setup (I was just looking at her page to answer those same
questions) She has the Quaife limited slip up front, A Salisbury
Rear Axle, and ARB lockers back there... Yup... she definately
needs a beefier engine.

 -Scott  

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From: Todd_Wilson@ccmail.columbia.com (Todd Wilson)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:03:31 -0700
Subject: Boston area Roverisms and glow plug timers.

     
     I'll be visiting Boston, MA. USA next week and was curious if any 
     locals could suggest rover worthy things to do. I called RN and found 
     they are 3.5 hours away so I thought I'd go up and check that out. 
     
     I'll have a car for several day's as well as some time on my hands. 
     
     suggestions appreciated.
     
     The second question I have is for the electronics folks.
     
     The diesel glow plugs on my truck aren't wired through the key switch. 
     There is a heavy duty switch that powers a relay that energizes the 
     glow plugs. I'd like to come up with a timer that would shut the 
     current off to the relay, and as a result the heavy current to the 
     plugs, after a set time (60-90 sec.)
     
     I was kicking around the idea of using a seatbelt warning buzzer used 
     on some cars. I don't know that the length of time those buzzers run 
     would be close and doubt they offer any adjustment. I wondered if any 
     of you had any ideas for an inexpensive timer I could build or source.
     
     anyone?
     
     Thanks in advance.
     tew

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:19:27 -0700
Subject: Re: question about tyre inflation and mud

From: Ed Alvarez <alvarez@btnmail.mozcom.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:56:21 +0800
Subject: question about tyre inflation and mud

> i would like to ask about going off road into mud,
 would decreasing tyre inflation help traction on mud, especially the
clay
type of mud? 

Reducing the air pressure in your tires will help you negotiate surfaces
where the tires would tend to sink in and bog down.  Examples of this
are soft sand, deep mud, boggy ground, tundra, etc.  Reducing the air
pressure simply increases the "footprint" of your tire, thus
distributing the weight of the vehicle over a greater area.  By
dispersing the weight somewhat, the tires have less of a tendency to
sink straight down and dig in.  The broader contact area between the
tire and the surface also gives you better traction.

If the mud you are referring to is deep or very soft, reducing the tire
pressure would certainly increase your chances of getting through it.
However, in Hawaii, the fine volcanic soil in the mountains turned to an
almost Vaseline-like goo when it rained, although the dirt underneath
remained firm.  There, the problem wasn't staying on top of the surface,
but maintaining traction.  The tires didn't sink in; the treads simply
filled with the slick mud and spun helplessly on the hard surface below,
turning it to a thin, slippery layer of goo as well.  It was very
frustrating as it made it impossible to climb hills which were a snap
when the roads were dry.   I'm not sure reducing air pressure would have
helped much in that situation.  The only thing that really worked was a
winch or another vehicle with a rope.  I've not had much experience with
clay, but I suspect it may react the same way as the fine volcanic soil
in Hawaii.  Thinking back, I almost think tire chains would have been
the most effective way of increasing traction on those slick-surfaced,
but hard roads.

While filming earlier this year in the sand dunes outside Dubai, UAE,
our professional driver got the brand new Toyota Land Cruiser we had
hired stuck in the sand, which is very fine, unlike beach sand which is
quite coarse in comparison.  Even standing in it caused us to sink in up
to our ankles.  The driver let a little pressure out of the tires, only
a few pounds, but it was enough to get us going again.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:16:24 -0600
Subject: Guide to Fuse Replacement

Hi All!

Go to http:/www.cwizard.com/narma/tech/tech12.htm for a laugh!!

Art
1960 SII "Aardvark"

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:50:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Boston area Roverisms and glow plug timers.

Todd Wilson wrote:
>      I'll be visiting Boston, MA. USA next week and was curious if any
>      locals could suggest rover worthy things to do. I called RN and found
>      they are 3.5 hours away so I thought I'd go up and check that out.
>      I'll have a car for several day's as well as some time on my hands.
>      suggestions appreciated.

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>      Thanks in advance.
>      tew
Ford Diesel 1/2 ton pickups use a timer on the glow plug circuit maybe
you can find one in an auto wreckers some where on your travels.
   John and Muddy

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:46:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Boston area Roverisms and glow plug timers.

Re: Timed heat:

There's a simple way to do this  - it's called a timed relay. If you take a look
in any good electronics parts catalogue you'll find 'em - most are even
adjustable as to the time period that you want.

They're also available in 12 and 24 volt versions - not sure what you're putting
it in...

               ajr/Boston, MA.

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:51:52 -0600
Subject: RE:Guide to Fuse replacement

OOPS!!

Go to http:/www.cwizard.com/narma/tech/tech12.htm for a laugh!!

Try this one instead (forgot a "/" in the URL above)

http"//www.cwizard.com/narma/tech/tech12.htm

Damn computers are fussy at times!!!!

Art
1960 SII "Aardvark"

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 98 18:01:20 -0700
Subject: Re: Mud Tires and Diff Lockers

>TA, are you running fixed or select hubs?  If fixed, have you noticed any
>difference in the steering on the tarmac?
;
I have Selectro hubs.  However I frequently drive on pavment with the 
hubs locked to make sure the top swivel pin is properly lubercated. When 
in 2 wheel drive, I have noticed no difference in steering that could be 
caused by the Quafe when the hubs are locked or unlocked

;>I was told long ago that you could run a straight locker in the front 
of a
;>vehicle with select hubs.  When on the pavement the hubs are out so 
it's not
;>an issue.  When off pavement the whole front is locked, any thoughts on
;>this?

Take it off road at least once a week to lubercate the upper swivel pins.

;>Does the Salsbury rear have a locker/limited slip in it, or is it just
;>stronger?

No.  At this time the rear Salisbury does not have a limited slip or 
locker. With the Quafe helping both front wheels climb I have not felt a 
need for one to get me from point A to point B.  However, I have broken 
one front axle during the year that the Quafe has been installed.  If I 
break another I may consider a rear locker to try to distribute the 
traction a little better between front and rear in the hopes that it 
would ease some of the stress on the front axles.  I would look for 
stronger front axle shafts first. Since I seem to be able to go 
everywhere I want to go, I do not feel a need to add a rear locker to get 
more places.

In 20 years I have broken 6 rear LR axles on the Green Rover.  The 
Salisbury has much stronger axles.

;>I am thinking of running an ARB rear, hubs and full lock in front (weld 
the
;>spiders to the carrier?).  My Rover will be going back Mainland when we
;>leave in 2001 and we will most likely end up in SoCal.  So I will be 
doing
;>mostly rock/canyon and desert driving.  Don't think I will see much 
gumbo.
;>It is because of the cross axle stuff so prominent in the South West 
that I
;>am thinking lockers.  Would love to hear some opinions on this one.

Before you spend the money, try driving with open diffs & see if you 
really need the lockers.  I got the Quafe primarily for clay.  Give the 
rock crawling & desert driving a fair try with open hubs & see if they 
work for you.  The lockers are another expensive point of stress.

Its COOL to be able to say "Hey I got Air Lockers!" but is is an added 
expense, an added system to break and may encurage you to drive into 
something that you really shouldn't

Good luck on what you decide.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:56:09 -0600
Subject: RE:Guide to fuse replacement

OOPS!!

Go to http://www.cwizard.com/narma/tech/tech12.htm for a laugh!!

Third times the charm-need a HTML checker as well as a spell checker!!!

Damn computers are fussy at times!!!!-Sorry about the wasted bandwidth!!

Art
1960 SII "Aardvark"

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:53:38
Subject: Re: Diff Lockers

	I don't have any personal experience with front lockers but seem to
remember that they cause problems off road.  Something about the front end
not going where you want it and a tendency to slide downhill when
traversing a slope.
	Others may have first hand experience.
	Did you buy the crunched rover from Wayne????

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:52:13 -1000
Subject: Re: Diff Lockers

> Did you buy the crunched rover from Wayne????

Yeap   :-)
Got the front 4 feet of a frame and front springs lying about?  haha

Pete

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