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From: "Tom Rowe/CDR" <trowe@ibm.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:08:08 +0100
Subject: Re: Overdrives

Wrote:
snip

but that might have
>been advertising. Does anyone out there have any experience with the
>Santana, or pros and cons concerning either rig?

Last time I looked, quite some years back, Toro (what you're calling
the Santana, I think) had fewer nylon internal parts than the Fairey,
and had a greater oil capacity. How they've changed since, if at all,
I don't know.

FWIW I need to get one also, and am looking into ordering one from
the UK. If others want to go in with me for an order, perhaps we can
get a bit better price, and shave a bit off the shipping costs.
Anyone else done this recently? What were the savings?
Cheers.

Tom Rowe
Atlanta, GA

Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
in places even more inaccessible.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:39:34 EDT
Subject: Re:

In a message dated 10/14/98 10:17:37 PM SA Pacific Standard Time,
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr writes:

<< I'm gone for a week to Honduras.
 I'll see if I can check my mail from there. >>

Luis, you'd better be able to, or your server better be able to store it all
without bouncing it all over the d*mn place... I don't know if you were around
for a good bout of it. All we need to do is increase the list volume with a
"good oil/grease or fwh/not" flamefest and your server will start bouncing by
oh, about day 3...

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:39:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Overdrives

Tom mentions:

Last time I looked, quite some years back, Toro (what you're calling
the Santana, I think) had fewer nylon internal parts than the Fairey,
and had a greater oil capacity. How they've changed since, if at all,
I don't know.

Tom, what nylon parts are you talking of? When I overhauled my OD a few years
ago the only non-steel parts I remember were the bronze fork shoes on the
synchro ring...

                    aj"I know, I'm a pain...."r

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:30:47 -0300
Subject: Re: comparison

Ed Hefferon wrote:
> My wife recently traded her 318i in for a new J**p Wrangler, we now
> have two 4x4's one for serious offroading and one for posing at the
> beach.  No prizes for guessing where the  D110 fits in.  The Wrangler
> is  great city transport, tight U-turns etc.   My query is, have any D90
> (not imported into Oz) owners had Wrangler experience, how would they
> compare the two as far as maneuverability and heavy off roading
> Cheers
> Ed 

Ok Ed here goes since you asked. Out of the box the D90 is alot more
offroad capable but there are a couple of things where the Wrangler
(known as TJ in Canada as GM owns the wrangler name here) scores. It is
a little more manoeverable with a shorter turning radius and when fitted
with the 6 cylinder will knock spots off the D90 for acceleration.
The D90 scores in axle articulation and ground clearance and over
strength of build. The seating position for tall drivers is better in
the Jeep. If I was buying one for the wife I'ld get the Jeep and for me
the LandRover.
    John and Muddy

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:24:51 -0700
Subject: Re: REAR BOLT ON SWB ROVER FUEL TANK

Keith,
I would put the bolt in with the threads up. That way they are protected
from beind deformed by a rock, and therefor easier to remove at a later time.

Bob B
Bob Bernard <bobnsueb@maxinet.com>
Paradise,CA. 530-877-2749
69-88 "Sherman"
65-88 "Olivia"
51-80 "Nelly"

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 9:13:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Weber 32/36, tuning

I don't know what you are talking about. You seem to be lumping idle 
speed and mixture into the same category. The two are separate items. 
Mixture is a matter of jets. Idle is a matter of idle circuit adjustment.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Karl Kurz <kkurz@acad.umm.maine.edu>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:50:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Weather stripping/Door seals

Does anyone have any experience using the molded sponge rubber
weatherstripping sold by J.C.Whitney ?  They have about 24 different
shapes and sizes pictured, but no dimensions so I can't decide which
pattern to order.

Karl K. Kurz, N1JZY      		1962 Unimog  404s
POB 352, Machiasport			1962 SIIa,8,Petrol,ex-MoD
Maine, USA, 04655			1958 SI, 88, Diesel
207-255-8802				1985 Audi Quattro

The right half of the brain controls the left half of the body.
Therefore, only left handed people are in their right mind.

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:34:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Weather stripping/Door seals

Karl -
	I haven't ordered the weatherstripping from them, but have tried to
get window channeling for my fixed windowed HT.  Don't expect to get what
you ordered, or have it fit right if it's correct.  It would have only
saved me a 10 or 20 bucks but...

(I ordered the correct size, as described in their catalog.  I get it, it
is the wrong size, yet has the right part number.  I call back, they tell
me that bassically they don't know anything about what they sell, and give
the manufacturers phone number - which usually they can't provide because
the factory is in who knows what third world country.  Anyway, I call the
manufacturer, turns out JCWhitless has got their part numbers labled wrong.
I send back the stripping, saying DON'T just send me the same part number,
it's got to be such and such dimentions, because your stock is labled
wrong.  Guess what, I got the same stuff.  So after like two months of
waiting, and paying return shipping twice (which BTW they reimbursed me
for) and numerous charges and credits on my card, I've bassically given up
with them.  For all the hassle I went through, it wasn't worth it.)

>Does anyone have any experience using the molded sponge rubber
>weatherstripping sold by J.C.Whitney ?  They have about 24 different
>shapes and sizes pictured, but no dimensions so I can't decide which
>pattern to order.

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu		Ithaca NY 14853
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: Joseph Broach <jbroach@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:51:20 -0600
Subject: Re: comparison

My friend bought a new Jeep Wrangler to replace his Toy**a pickup. The
first time he took it off road the cat. converter sheared off its mountings
so he threw it in the back. By the end of the afternoon, it would no longer
go into reverse or 4wd-lo. He drove straight beck to the dealer, parked it
nose down into a space, handed them the cat, and, after an hour or so,
drove off in a used F**d 4x4 pickup. I don't think stock Wranglers were
ever meant to leave gravel lanes. Another friend's oil pump quit (no
off-roading) and the engine seized before he could get to the shoulder. The
dealership said it wasn't worth fixing and offered him a bMW trade-in; he
took it. YMMV.

-joseph and sidney
Missoula, MT

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From: "HENRY STAGE"<henry.stage@smtp.cnet.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:16:12 -0600
Subject: pick and shovel kit

     Does anyone have a pick/shovel mounting kit they want to part with at 
     reasonable bill of fare?  I have the gear but not the mounts.
     
     TIA,
     
     Cole Stage
     
     '67 IIA Ambulance "Hefelump" (as in, it is as big as a ...)

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 12:21:58 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: REAR BOLT ON SWB ROVER FUEL TANK 

>Keith,
>I would put the bolt in with the threads up. That way they are protected
>from beind deformed by a rock, and therefor easier to remove at a later time.

>Bob B

Well Bob, actually if you managed to hit *that* bolt with a rock then the tnak 
will likely have already been removed for you...
Otherwise its a perfectly sound suggestion.

cheers
dave

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From: "William S. Parker" <wildbill@wxs.nl>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:12:45 +0100
Subject: Overdrives

Michael et al,
I'm in Maastricht, so close to Germany and Belgium that I feel lucky to
get out of 3rd when crossing the border(s).  Point being, that I can't
afford it @ $4+/+ a gallon!!! Also, the Green Beast needs to be able to
do 55mph when I bring it back to the States (providing 25 year rule
hasn'been changed). Paul Heijstee assures me that he has 12 Santanas in
stock. I don't care much for resale as much as I care for viability.
That being said, I'm still looking for opinions.
Thanks, Bill

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:24:40 -1000
Subject: Scale Diagrams

Aloha
Am going to pick up the Rover this weekend.  Finally be able to start doing
more then just thinking about the repairs.
Anyway, I was wondering if anyone has any scale drawings of the frame?  I
have the Haynes Manual and was wondering if there was anything better then
the pictures in there?

TIA
Pete

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From: RykRover@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:44:57 EDT
Subject: Leesburg, VA outing this weekend

To anyone that is interested, 
The Leesburg Resovior off-roading day is still on, looks like a fantastic day
for it.
Hope to see more Rovers than J@$ps , but I guess we`ll see.
meeting time is 10ish am at the end of the "greenlane" (off the exit)
email me with any questions, Rick

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:39:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Victoria Showers (little LR)

 I thoroughly enjoyed my visit to Vancouver Island & Victoria.
 
 We stayed in The Coast hotel by the harbour. I particularly enjoyed 
watching the floatplanes arriving & departing.
 
 What I would give to explore properly by Land-Rover instead of rented 
Pontiac. (I would especially love to see the Martin Mars aircraft up at 
Sproat Lake. 
 
 Paul

 Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:17

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: andy Smith <andy@bobstar.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 22:00:32 +0100
Subject: Re: Weather stripping/Door seals

In message <bulk.23991.19981015075422@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Karl Kurz
<kkurz@acad.umm.maine.edu> writes
>The right half of the brain controls the left half of the body.
>Therefore, only left handed people are in their right mind.

I`d buy that for a dollar!.

Best Cheers
-- 
andy Smith

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From: William Leacock <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:51:56 -0400
Subject: Disco steel wheels

Disco steel wheels will fit a series LR, they are a very poor choice since
the distance from the mounting face to the iside of the rim is significantly
wider than the standard rims, thereofre the already poor turning circle is
made even greater.  The axles on the coil sprung vehicles are wider and
therefore it is not a problem with them. If you want a wide rim go for the
110 forward control or the 130 rim
  I think the disco steel rims are the ugliest wheel Land Rover ever made !!
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:18:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Scale Diagrams

Peter Hope wrote:

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:20:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Disco steel wheels

In a message dated 10/15/98 4:58:35 PM SA Pacific Standard Time,
wleacock@pipeline.com writes:

<< If you want a wide rim go for the
 110 forward control or the 130 rim>>

Yup, these look proper on a square LR. There's something to be said for the
classic looks of a LR on the right wheels. The 110/130 wheels are 6.5 inches
wide and have a 2.25 distance between the back face of the mounting plate and
the inside rim of the wheel, I don't know if that helps with the leafers or
not. Anyone know the specs on the new holey-wolf-wheels from LR??

<< If you want a wide rim go for the
I'll 2nd that. About the only thing they offer is .5 of an inch (over the
110/130 wheel) which if you think about it is negligible when using properly
proportioned LR tyres. (meaning, tall and narrower than expected)

now I don't want to ignite anyone's browser here, but y'all with floatation
tyres just look goofy. they may work great in moab, but elsewhere, they look
goofy. aw hell, fire 'em up; they look jeepish too.

--pat.

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From: "Tom Rowe/CDR" <trowe@ibm.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:35:42 +0100
Subject: Re: Overdrives

writes:
snip
>Tom, what nylon parts are you talking of? When I overhauled my OD a
few years
>ago the only non-steel parts I remember were the bronze fork shoes
on the
>synchro ring...

A number of bearings were in nylon cages. I can't remember what else.
As I said, this was some years back, about 10 or so, so they could
very well have changed the design in response to the Toro product. I
wonder if they increased teh oil capacity also.

Tom Rowe
Atlanta, GA

Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
in places even more inaccessible.

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:03:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Disco steel wheels

SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/15/98 4:58:35 PM SA Pacific Standard Time,
> wleacock@pipeline.com writes:
> << If you want a wide rim go for the
>  110 forward control or the 130 rim>>
> Yup, these look proper on a square LR. There's something to be said for the
> classic looks of a LR on the right wheels. The 110/130 wheels are 6.5 inches

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> tyres just look goofy. they may work great in moab, but elsewhere, they look
> goofy. aw hell, fire 'em up; 
Sure they look goofy when a heavily loaded 109 goes chuffing by everyone
else in deep crusty snow or pulls the rest through deep gooie mud. Ask
anyone who knows old Muddy about how goofy big tires are.
     John and Muddy

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:42:37 EDT
Subject: Hey Paul! Just saw your Rover on Motorweek

Hi Paul,

Nice mention on Motorweek tonight!! Good pics and they said some nice stuff
about the truck.  Like the bullbar.

Nate

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From: "Bishop, Alan" <A.Bishop@worc.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:27:55 +0100
Subject: Diesel back to petrol cconversion.

Hi all - just a little question for the group

The first Land Rover I bought back in May this year came with a 
Perkins 4203 (in the back!). With the time that has been available 
(due to moving and changing job) the engine is now on its mounts but 
that's it.

Now for the big question - if I was to take that back out again, 
with the thought of putting a V8 in instead, how much more work am I 
looking at? Obviously the fuel system would need flushing but other 
than that I don't know. It has been mentioned that the vehicle was 
probably a 6 cylinder originally but again I don't know if this 
helps. The one thing that worries me is that the drivers side engine 
mount has been trimmed to make the Perkins fit (the previous Perkins 
that was in it before I got my hands on the vehicle). Will this just 
need a new mount welding onto the chassis?

The Rover is a 1973 S3 LWB station wagon - which is why I would 
rather have a V8 than the Perkins.

If I could make a success of this I would probably consider changing 
the 2.25 petrol in the 2A for a V8 as well so any help in this 
matter would be greatly appreciated

TIA

Kindest regards

Alan.

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From: Alexander Bell <albe@lvs.informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE>
Date: 16 Oct 1998 10:37:33 +0200
Subject: WWW address for LRO?

Frankelson@aol.com writes:

> the oft-quoted website of www.lroi.com belongs to the bookshop which is a
> separate business.

this url leads you to netcetera, a web presence provider. is there a new lro
site? especially one where one can subscribe to lroi?

cu albe.

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From: Terje Krogdahl <tekr@nextel.no>
Date: 16 Oct 1998 11:56:22 +0200
Subject: Re: Scale Diagrams

"Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com> writes:

> Anyway, I was wondering if anyone has any scale drawings of the frame?  I
> have the Haynes Manual and was wondering if there was anything better then
> the pictures in there?

Haven't seen the pictures in the Haynes manual, but there are quite
good drawings in the factory repair manual, with quite a few measurements.
At least, in the SIII manual.

-- 
Terje Krogdahl
Norwegian Land Rover Club
www.land.rover.no
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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From: Ed Alvarez <alvarez@btnmail.mozcom.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:56:21 +0800
Subject: question about tyre inflation and mud

hello list,

i would like to ask about going off road into mud,
 would decreasing tyre inflation help traction on mud, especially the clay
type of mud?  i ask because recently on my way back from our farm, i was
driving along the ridge of some rice fields to get to the road from inside
the farm and i slipped into the the canal of the field, on wheel was in the
canal and the other tyres couldn't get enough traction to back up. had to
dig out the mud from the forward diff and push the truck out. i read about
deflating the tyres when going on rocks so was wondering if it works for
mud as well? 

thank you,

Ed Alvarez

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