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From: Doug Boehme <DBoehme@PA.Navisys.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:34:08 -0400
Subject: The other VT trip

I will be traveling through VT to MT. Stowe for skiing in January and
was wondering if there were any off-roading events planned around that
area.  The week that I go is open, and my wife has graciously let me
plan it such that I can go off-roading while in VT.  I thought SOLARS
(sp?) was planning an event there in January, but I might be mistaken.
If there are no events, I would love to get together with any of the
list members for some off-roading.  (Also, any R.O.V.E.R.S. members or
PA area residents that want to caravan up, let me know)

Thanks in advance!

Douglas J. Boehme
dboehme@pa.navisys.com

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:43:51 EDT
Subject: Re: design input

In a message dated 02/10/98 19:24:01 BST, you write:

 <<>I would like a graphic idea that represents both the old and the new Land
 >Rovers.<<<

yeah, but who else would understand what a pool of oil meant ???

 There's another reason to put a 110 on there. Both discs and drums.
  >>

yay yay, nice one Pat!!

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:43:57 EDT
Subject: Re: socket sizes (again)

In a message dated 03/10/98 21:03:55 BST, you write:

<< I'm sure I'll forget something. :-( >>
whereas some people might "remember" things that weren't there but should have
been.....
not that I am suggesting anyone on this list would do such a thing 

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:43:46 EDT
Subject: Re: ARB locker for landrover 101

In a message dated 02/10/98 07:08:39 BST, you write:

 A call to ARB just got the reply "we don't make one for the 101" but I'm
 sure people have got around this.
 
 The options seem to be: Find the right part, or figure out how to modify
 an ARB locker that fits a "normal" Salisbury.
 Or maybe swap the diff?
  >>
Chris,
Per Bertelsen of Team Bertelsen in Denmark is third in Europe for selling ARB
equipment and he owns a 101. He has not mentioned fitting lockers into the 101
but if anyone has - he has!!

email him on: teambert@post5.tele.dk

tell him I sent you..

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:44:05 EDT
Subject: Re: winter is coming, extra heat?

In a message dated 04/10/98 21:05:13 BST, you write:

<< ut this topic and I am
  going to mount an extra heater in the back of the car. I am going to the
  scrap yard in a day or two so any good advice on which cars heating package
  that might be useful is very much appreciated!  >>
I've heard of a Ford Transit van heater, but dunno how it is fitted in the
back...

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:43:50 EDT
Subject: Re: . yadda yadda yadda...

In a message dated 02/10/98 16:00:13 BST, you write:

<< Where are you guys from? have you ever seen Seinfeld? >>
IOn a TV Quiz yesterday (UK)
Q: Which US Comedian, reputedly the highest paid in the world, is to appear
(somewhere) in London next month?
A; Seinfeld.

My wife and I : "Who?"

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:44:04 EDT
Subject: Re: Going swimming with the rover...

In a message dated 04/10/98 18:42:11 BST, you write:

<< The differential has a breather on the top of the axle tube in the series
 and assume the defender and other newer rovers have a way to equalize
 pressure in the axles.  In the series its a bronze one way valve that often
 sticks closed causing the axle to pressurize, forcing oil past the seals. >>

The Defender and Classic Range Rover went with a valve that attaches to a
plastic tube that lifts well up out of the way.
In the UK we routinely lengthen this pipe and run it to the top of our
snorkels.
Theoretically this means we can wade to the top of the windscreen!!!!

BTW the later valve is a direct replacement t=for the Ser. We have put them in
all our |Ser as well.

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:44:02 EDT
Subject: Re: yadda - and?(VLLRC)

In a message dated 04/10/98 16:43:22 BST, you write:

 So was the truth that you no longer see movies 'out' because A. There are so
 few drive-ins and B. There are so few cars with bench seats? (There is a
 theory that bucket seats were the death of the drive-in).
 
 Ok, I'll bite - what was the last movie that you saw in a theater >>
can I lean over from another table and say dunno about Ron but in the UK you
can hire two videos for the cost of one cinema ticket and you don't have to
put upo with others eating popcorn, talking, necking, standing on your feet
everytime they get up...
and your vehicle is not vandalised outside when you go home.
drive ins? In OUR weather?????

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: rovah@agate.net
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:53:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 1998 Owl's Head Land Rover event thank you!

I wanted to publicly thank both East Coast Rover and the Land Rover
Scarborough Centre for co-hosting a fantastic fall weekend of Rovering last
weekend!  The off-road course was great for beginners and more hard-core
wheelers alike.  Look for pictures of the event on the club website soon!

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323rd Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game
<http://www.tstonramp.com/~kahuna/index.html>

2 Wheels: 1970 Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1998 SE Discovery "Chukka," 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966
Series IIA 88" "SWAMBO,"  1963 Unimog 404.1-S "The Caterpiller,"  1968
Porsche 911L, Series 109" Project

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:42:08 +1000
Subject: Snorkels

Guys,

There are a number of different line drawings for Discovery 200Tdi, 300Tdi
and V8; Defender 200Tdi, 300Tdi and V8.  They are fairly large and I would
rather send just the version you need to you.  Let me know off-list what
your vehicle details are so I send the right pix.  That way I can minimise
the number of transmissions I need to make.  Don't forget, we have to pay
high rates for access to the net so I like to keep transmission times down.

We certainly can't stay connected to the net.  We couldn't afford the
charges.

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:09:34 +1000
Subject: Americans love of SCUDS

Cjarles wrote: 
>In the U.S., for the same rifle to be considered inert, the receiver 
>has to be cut in half.

You do this to the guy who receives the rifle ??? Jeeezz  8-)

Regards,

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:14:00 +1000
Subject: Re: yadda yadda yadda...

Ron wrote:
>>I remember the year because I had been transferred to
Carnarvon Satellite Earth Station in West Australia >>

Pat replied:
<You'd think that with all those Satellitle dishes you'd be able to get
HBO...
Would you like a descrambler box?? ;-)

Wait, didn't we just have some adverts on this list for $12 plans for
decscramblers?

Mate, we didn't need 'em.  WE transmitted the TV channels.
But I don't watch enough TV as I find it boring.  I admit I watch the
following programs every week.  The Bill (UK cop show); Hettie Wainthrop
Investigates (UK detective show), Hamish Macbeth (Scottish police? show -
Hamish drives a Police SIII diesel SWB SW), the Fast Show (a UK comedy show
with the world's two worst 4WD drivers - in  Defender).  That's it.  I don't
watch sport except the world rally champs when they are on, I don't watch
the News - someone will tell me if something important happens (I hear
something has been happening with Bill C and someone called Monica??)

>ps: Know any good recipes for a satellite "dish"?

But how would you get our 100 ft diameter (30 metre) dishes onto your stove?

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:04:29 +1000
Subject: : Badges and Foriegn objects in Electr

Ron wrote:

<< I tell you that the idea of flying in a plane powerd by Lucas sure
as hell frightens me! >>

Paul frightened me by telling me:

>Well prepare to be "frightened" then.Rolls - Royce engined Boeings,
specifically B747-400, B767 & B777 have  FAFCs (Full Authority Fuel
Controls) made by Lucas.

I've decided I no longer wish to fly

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:58:54 +1000
Subject: yadda - and?(VLLRC)

Ron wrote "I ...had just bought my Hillman Hunter.  I went to the local
>drive-in with it".
David Walker replied:

- you met you wife there and she stopped you from seeing movies ever again
as you had child after child to father?

Nup.  Elisabeth and I had been married about a year at that time.  And, no,
Lee (our eldest) didn't come along 9 months later.  He came along 9 years
later.  And further, we only have two kids.  Lee is 19, Lyndal is 13.

>- you saw your first real series Land Rover and realized that you had to
have one......only you could never go to the drive-in again because the
small windscreen cut off the top half of the screen? - you could have sat
out on the tire though.<

Nup.  I first drove a Land Series II or IIA in 1965 when I was  trainee
technician at Bringelly HF Receiving Station - before satellites!.  The next
one I drove was at Doonside HF Transmitting Station - also in 1965.

>So, what really stopped you from going to see the movies

I get bored with them and can't be bothered watching them through.

>There is a theory that bucket seats were the death of the drive-in).

Yep - drive-ins were better when I had my Jaguar in 1967.  Big comfortable
leather seats.  Not that we did anything in them.

>Ok, I'll bite - what was the last movie that you saw in a theater or
drive-in Ron?
Theatre - Hmmm.  I can't remember when I last went to the theatre but one of
the last movie remember seeing was either Jailhouse Rock (Elvis Presley) or
Summer Holiday (Cliff Richard).  It was at the Roxy theatre in Parramatta in
Sydney.  I must have been pre-teen.  Drive-in?  The last one I recall was
Clint Eastwood's "Play Misty for me"  I recallo this because a lot of people
thought the movie had ended when the were walking in the sunset - right
before the scissor attack seen.  But that was before Elisabeth and I married
so it must have been at the Penrith Drive-in - about 5 miles from where I
now live.  I've got no idea what the last movie I saw at a drive in was.

>Good day from rainy Seattle on this beautiful Sunday morning.

Well, it's been lovely here.  Following a gale in the morning, Elisabeth and
I had a lovely evening last night dining aboard the Cable Ship Pacific
Guardian as guest of the Captain.  The view over Sydney Harbour from the
ship was fantastic.  (Just to go with the maritime section of your email
which referred to your home: S/V KALAKALA  - our home, ketch rigged - sounds
good!)

>To the others - Please excuse this interruption, but the fellow across the
>table said some stuff that I just had to see about............in this
virtual pub. <

Yes, please excuse us.  But it beats correspondence about the US President.

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:15:53 +1000
Subject: Badges and Foriegn objects in Electr 

<<Benjamin Smith wrote:  Lucas also made some landing gear components
for the F/A-18.  After 100 or 200 mid-air emergencies, the US Gov't sued
Lucas. This was about 4 years ago.  YMMV.>>

Peter Goundry replied:
>I didn't realise the US pilots flew around the skies with their landing
>gear down!! :-)

Why not - the President runs the country with his pants down?

Ron

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:08:06 +0000
Subject: Re: yadda yadda yadda...

>Hamish drives a Police SIII diesel SWB SW), the Fast Show (a UK comedy show
>with the world's two worst 4WD drivers - in  Defender).
So what 'ave you bin eatin' this week,Ron? Or were you vewy,vewy dwunk?

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 07:39:48 -0700
Subject: Re: Anyone there???

Yes we are here.

Said Geoffrey at MITTS wrote:

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From: jberg@hearstnewmedia.com (Jeff Berg)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:21:13 -0400
Subject: re: Overdrive oil

The overdrive unit is *NOT SUPPOSED* to share oil with the tranfer
box--though it often does overpressurize and lose oil to that box. Check it
often. The manual says something like every 1000 miles. Consider installing
a breather to prevent the unwanted oil transfer. (FINSUP undone project
#343 in an ongoing series...)

The Fairey unit has it's own fill plug--and dipstick-- is located on top.
It can be accessed through the center seat inspection hatch but since I
have a cubby box, I usually check/fill from beneath. I can't speak for the
Toro as I've never actually seen one, but I'd bet it's similar.

RoverOn!

jab
==
Jeffrey A. Berg
Macintosh Systems Consultant
Phone     (212) 649-2322
FAX        (212) 957-8524
mailto:jberg@hearstnewmedia.com

To report HNMC Macintosh problems use
mailto:support@hearstnewmedia.com
Remember, the subject line must include
NMC MAC "Brief Description"

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:12:39 -0700
Subject: Re: Overdrive oil

From: Harald Hansen <harald74@online.no>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:49:08 +0200
Subject: Overdrive oil

>Does an overdrive unit have it's own oil, or does it share it with the
main gear box?  And, if it has, where's the filling plug?

Yes, the overdrive contains its own supply of lube oil.  It is the same
weight as the oil in the transfer case and transmission.  You add oil
through the hole the dipstick screws into, or you can remove the top
plate of the overdrive (4 nuts) and pour the oil in that way.  The drain
plug is on the bottom.  There is no "correct level" hole on the side as
there is on the transfer case or transmission.  You have to determine
that you've got the right amount of oil, or have added the right amount
of oil, by using the dipstick.

A couple of things to be aware of with the overdrive.  First, it tends
to spew its oil out over time through the breather hole in the top
plate.  This hole has a cotter pin inserted in it to reduce the size of
the hole, but oil still gets thrown out.  The downside is that if you
drive your Land Rover a lot, you need to check the overdrive oil level
once a week or so to make sure the oil is still at the correct level.
The upside is that the oil coming out of the overdrive is sprayed back
onto the driveline, frame, and springs which keeps them from rusting.
This is one reason I've never been bothered by the oil leaks my Land
Rover has developed over the last 25 years; I have very little rust
anywhere on the bottom of the vehicle.  My theory is that oil is cheap,
new springs, frames, etc. are not.

If you allow the oil to get too low in the overdrive, very bad things
will happen.  The first sign of low oil is that the overdrive will
suddenly pop out of gear as you're driving down the highway at speed
with the overdrive engaged.  What's happening is that the lack of
lubrication is causing the sleeved input and output shafts to bind,
among other things, and the strain gets too much for the syncro rings
and it pops out.  If you let this happen enough times (as I did back in
the early ''80s) you will one day let out the clutch to start off in
first gear, there will be a bang, and you will go nowhere even though
your engine is running very nicely.  The Achilles heel of the Fairey
overdrive is the little input gear, the gear that replaces the
transmission's output gear.  The Fairey input gear has tiny little teeth
and they apparently can't take a lot of strain, the kind of strain
imposed by the overdrive binding up repeatedly due to lack of
lubrication.  I estimate that I had the overdrive jump out of gear a
total of perhaps ten times over a period of several years before the
input gear finally broke.  Each time it did this, it was weakening the
teeth on the gear.  Eventually what will happen is that the strain of
starting the vehicle from a dead stop will suddenly strip the teeth off
the input gear as well as some of the teeth of the inside of the input
shaft.  Assuming you still have the original transmission output gear
and rear cover with you and the necessary tools, you can remove the
overdrive unit and put things back they way they were originally and be
on your way in an hour or so, but it's a pain in the butt to have to do
that.

The Fairey input gear is a very bad design in my opinion: why they
didn't go with a gear with big splines or something I'll never know.
But the Fairey overdrive actually is designed around components that
were used in a Rover car transmission, so maybe they had no choice but
to use that little gear.  Anyway, NEVER let your overdrive get low on
oil.  And if you're driving along and the overdrive jumps out of gear,
stop and check the oil IMMEDIATELY and fill it if required (it will be).

The other problem you may encounter is that your overdrive may gradually
fill up with oil through no action on your part.  The probable cause is
that pressure built up inside the transfer case by heat as you're
driving is forcing oil past the seal on the input/output shaft of the
overdrive.  This seal is designed to keep oil in the overdrive, not keep
oil out.  The cure is to install a better breather on the transfer case.
You can buy nice little kits for this, which involve drilling and
tapping a hole in the top plate of the transfer case, installing a brass
elbow, and running a flexible tube from the elbow up into the engine
compartment where there is no danger of it allowing water into the
transfer case in a wading situation.  By venting the transfer case to
the atmosphere, no pressure can build up inside it, which means there's
no pressure to force oil aft through the overdrive oil seal.  If you're
going to be doing a lot of wading, you should install one of these kits
on the top plate of the overdrive, too, as it stands to reason that if
the hole/cotter pin breather can let oil out it can let water in.

If you 1) are conscientious about keep the oil level in the overdrive at
the correct level, 2) don't use the overdrive in anything but third and
fourth gears, and 3) aren't in the habit of doing extremely arduous
off-road work like rock-crawling in Moab, the Fairey overdrive will give
you years of trouble-free, albeit noisy, service.  I had no problems
with mine for ten years after I installed it, during which time my
Series III was my only vehicle and was driven every single day in Hawaii
and Seattle and on long trips to the Yukon, British Columbia, and
Montana.  It was only through my own negligence that the input gear
finally failed.  Rather than rebuild the unit, I replaced it with a new
overdrive, which so far is still functioning perfectly, although it's
noisier than my first one, which was extremely quiet.  If I used my Land
Rover for very tough off-road work I would remove the overdrive as I
just don't think that little input gear, and perhaps other internal
components as well, would be up to the strain.

Hope this helps.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:22:18 -0700
Subject: Re: erratic temperature gauge

From: Ed Alvarez <alvarez@btnmail.mozcom.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:20:51 +0800
Subject: erratic temperature gauge

>I was wondering if anyone can help me with a little problem i've got
with
my d90's electrical system.  As i drive the car, the temp. gauge
suddenly goes to the red mark and moves
from there to the middle.  this also happens when i turn on the lights.
At
times i think the headlights are slightly dimmer than usual.  I'm
suspecting a ground somewhere, any ideas as to how to troubleshoot the
system to find out where the trouble is?

If you were driving a REAL Land Rover :-) :-) :-), I would suspect you
might have a faulty voltage regulator (?) on your instrument panel.  The
temperature gauge on my Series III does the same thing sometimes.  If I
tap the panel, the gauge returns to normal, or if I do nothing it
eventually returns on its own.  The fault is the little votage "thingy"
that mounts on the back of one of the instruments and controls the
voltage going to them.  I bought a replacement years ago, but once I
learned what the problem was it didn't bother me anymore so I haven't
taken the time to pull the panel to replace the votage unit.  It's
become one of those "someday" projects.  I have no idea if the D90
incorporates a similar votage regulator circuit for the instruments.  If
it does, I would suspect that's where your problem lies.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: Markexch@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:45:04 EDT
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

this is the sixth time of asking.
I have tried to unsubscribe to the lro-digest on at least six occasions
without success
PLEASE UNSUBSCIBE ME NOW.
I am getting fed up with not having any reponse from you.

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:53:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Lucas

Peter Hope wrote:
> >CAV is a subsidiary of Lucas, as is Girling Brakes, so you also have Lucas
> >Brakes !!! Lucas filters are made by Crosland, which is a also a
> subsidiary.
> The clutch Master cyl on my Cherokee is made by Girling.  Tried to find a
> rebuild kit for it, was told not available.  Would need to get a new master
> for 150$$$.  No thanks, 'tis the same as a 75 Spitfire clutch master.
> Hehehe

   Which is the same as the Series111 land rover. However a kit
available for the Cherokee as I got one when needed for a Land Rover and
so round it goes !!!!
  JOhn and Muddy

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From: Doug Boehme <DBoehme@PA.Navisys.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:56:13 -0400
Subject: RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Cranky Boy.

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:53:19 -1000
Subject: The Roadster Factory??

By any chance does anyone have the address for TRF in Pennsylvania handy?
Thanks
Pete

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From: Doug Boehme <DBoehme@PA.Navisys.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:15:22 -0400
Subject: RE: The Roadster Factory??

Orders: 800 234-1104
Technical: 814 446-4491 
Fax: 814 446-4491 
 e-mail: info@the-roadster-factory.com

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:40:43 -0400
Subject: Tankless job

Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net> wrote:

>Aardvark only leaks when more than a half tank is in her. Appears to be
>leaking around where tank mounts to frame.

Yup...that's the "usual" place.  Right where the second skin terminates at
the outrigger.  Perfect place for catching (and holding) road funk and
moisture.  My original tank developed holes there, so I was determined that
its replacement would not.  Used this three-step coating from JC Whitless
on a new tank and painted the outside with three or four coats of Rustoleum
and several more of undercoating.  Result?  Just three years before pin
holes.  The tank reapir place had a bugger of a job removing the old lining
so they could use their own proprietary stuff.  Tanks almost always rust
from outside in.

Quintin Aspin told me about the best way to prevent future problems, but
this requires that the bottom "skin" be separated from the tank.  Clean all
the parts up as best you can.  Mix up a batch of West epoxy with high
density filler and butter the skin/tank up well.  Use tires as a weight
until the epoxy kicks.  A bead or filet of epoxy at the tank/skin join will
prevent water/debris from collecting there.  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:43:36 EDT
Subject: S3 109 For Sale

I have a '72 Series III 109 three door for sale.  It is an ex-MOD with camo
paint.  New transmission/transfer.  Full canvas top.  Runs great!  I'm located
about 30 minutes south of Richmond, Virginia.  Looking at $8500.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA	

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:43:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Winter, Waxoyl & POR-15

I have a five litre refill tin of the Black Waxoyl for sale.  This is the
stuff that is about like undercoating and I believe is no longer available in
the States.  Triple C offers the clear stuff for $54.95.  I'm asking $65.00
plus shipping.  Also have two 2.5 litres of clear available.

Thanks!

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:49:50 EDT
Subject: Un-subscribing from the list

Hey .... it's an automated list.  There is no one to answer you except us poor
oil-dripping LR owners.  And we're getting a kick out of watching you make a
fool out of yourself.  But it is getting old.

FYI:   I just unsubscribe and re-subscribed without any problems as follows:

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Here are the instructions.... think you can follow them?  Couldn't get any
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Gerry Elam
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PS:  To my fellow LRO, sorry for the tirade.  The only disrepect I meant was
towards this person who can't seem to follow instructions.

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From: "Dr. Russ" <rgdushin@blackcat.cat.syr.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:55:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Land Rover Daily Digest

*** 
this is the sixth time of asking. I have tried to unsubscribe to the
lro-digest on at least six occasions without success PLEASE UNSUBSCIBE ME
NOW.
I am getting fed up with not having any reponse from you.
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this is the second time of telling you how to do this...listen up
this time.

send a message to:

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put in the _body_ of the message (not the subject line): 

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lemme make it easy for you...copy this line:

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and stick it in your message.  don't forget to hit "send now"...

you will not receive any response from the major at all, and
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From: Roger Sinasohn <Roger@Sinasohn.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:20:52 -0700
Subject: The San Francisco Urban Adventure

Get your reservations in now for the San Francisco Urban Adventure!  A
weekend rover trip to the wilds of San Francisco.  We'll be camping out,
exploring the urban jungle and generally having a good time.  Coming up
quick on October 23-25, 1998, so don't delay!

If you haven't received the flyer for the San Francisco Urban Adventure,
check it out on the web at <http://www.sinasohn.com/urbadv/>!

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                       http://www.sinasohn.com/

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:19:21 -1000
Subject: Re: Un-subscribing from the list

>Here are the instructions.... think you can follow them?  Couldn't get any
>easier:

The problem being that I bet the individual is "not reading" the digest, so
never sees our telling him how to unsubscribe.

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From: Steve Rochna <75347.452@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:26:54 -0400
Subject: Coast to coast (almost)

All:

I'm just finishing up the storage box for the hole where the center seat
was and contemplating the job of topping everything up before setting out
from Virginia to Nevada this weekend.  Having to move there next month I
decided to take the Rover ('72 88") a bit early and find a place to live.

I'll be using Rt. 64 to 81 to 40 until sometime after Albuquerque when I'll
turn North toward Fallon, Nv.  I'd be grateful for any suggestions on
better routing and/or more interesting roads along that general path - No
screaming hurry since I've alloted a week to get there.  If you see a green
88 with Va. plates, that'll be me.

Thanks - Steve

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From: Marcel Viljoen <marcelv@pixie.co.za>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:29:13 +0200
Subject: 2.5 Litre Landy engine

Hi

Part of this is specific to the South African list and part general....

I have a SIIA with a *very* tired 2.25 petrol motor.  Now I am
considering replacing it with a 2.5l petrol (the 4 cyl that was in the
early 110s).

Any comments about the change are gladly welcomed.

and

Does anyone know of a good contact to try and obtain one of these in
South Africa.  My general intent is to buy it and do a rebuild....

TIA
Marcel Viljoen

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From: Marcel Viljoen <marcelv@pixie.co.za>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:33:40 +0200
Subject: subscribe

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:39:24 -0500
Subject: RE: Un-subscribing from the list

>The problem being that I bet the individual is "not reading" the digest, so
>never sees our telling him how to unsubscribe.

I think that was the case. I sent him instructions direct, so he could stop
bothering.
I guess he succeded, 'cous I then tried to do it for him and the Major said
he was not part of the list anymore.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:02:39 -1000
Subject: Re: Coast to coast (almost)

Steve,
we just completed our coast to coast (Va Beach to Malibu) in August and had
a great time.  Where in VA are you?  We went 40 also, but got on further to
the east then your plan.  Tennessee had road construction on every bridge
and that kinda sucked.  The road conditions in Arkansas were horrible, by
far the worst stretch of the trip.  My neck and back twinge just thinking
about it.  Saw the worst drivers in NC, be careful if you go this way.
We took 7 days to complete the trip but we were  shopping and site seeing
(Painted Desert and Grand Canyon are worth the time out of your way if you
have never seen them) and only drove during the day.  I was driving a brand
new (only 1500 miles) 18 foot UHaul E350.  500ci Engine, AC, power
everything, very comfortable seats, great stereo.  Nice ride, but still a
heavy loaded, stiff suspension truck, thus the comments qabout Tenn.  Wife
had our GMC full size, clubcab pu and had no complaints as far as the roads.
Me'thinks the Series ride would be closer to the UHaul.
All in all a great trip.  When we get back to the mainland we would like to
do it again, only spend more time and take in the sites.  Only my wife would
like it to be in a camper this time.  That is where I got the idea for a
conversion of the Perintine 6x6 Rover 130 mated to a ford/gmc cab over
camper.  Hehehehe, let her think it is all her idea.
The US is truely an amazing place and I wish that people would take the time
to explore more of it.
Aloha
Pete

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From: Sski3@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:35:17 EDT
Subject:  Leaky Gas tank

An old timer told me that a bar of ivory soap would stop a leak in a gas tank,
just smear it on the leak, it hardens when mixed with gas. He said he did it
on a vehicle of his and had never fixed it after. I don't think I would let it
go that long though. I have not tried this as yet. Its a cheap fix.
Steve F 
69 SIIA 88 bug eye

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From: William Leacock <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 16:49:14 -0400
Subject: $ wheel drive

> Correct, howver  it is not necessary to pull the transfer box, the front
drive box can be removed with the box in situ, without removing the transfer
box.

>I thought this might be the case...but it appeared that the long high/low 
selector rod has to slide forward out of the the transfer box...and I 
wasn't sure there was enough forward room for the front housing to do 
this.
 It is a tight fit, but it can be done 

> One fix is to remove all the   cranks etc and add a lever to the 4 wheel
>drive selector, this then enables a more positive selection of 4 wd.  I have
>a conversion on mine which enables hi low and  2 - 4 wheel drive to be
>selected with one lever.

Is this a commercially available conversion or one you 
concocted...details? Inquiring minds want to know.

I am not aware that it is commercially available, the one I have is home
made, I saw an article in a magazine several years ago and made it up myself.
I have a photocopy of the article in my files somewhere but the copy quality
is poor.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: Marijn van der Himst <marijn@mail.multiweb.net>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:47:32 +0100

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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 04:26:19 -0700
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>I am getting fed up with not having any reponse from you.
You can type, so I'll assume that you can READ...send commands to
majordome@land-Rover.Team.Net  NOT in the subject, but in the
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From: "The Stockdales" <mstockdale@mho.net>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:27:08 -0600
Subject: 2.25 Valves

Got a real poser for all of ya.  Yesterday whilst on my way
home from work, the Red Dinosaur backfired and a loss of
power was obvious.  Thought that it may be an ignition
problem, the engine was miss firing.  Got home checked the
dizzy and all was in order.  Did a compression check and
found 0 psi in no. 4, and 60 psi in 1, 2 & 3.  I've seen
this before, another split valve was now the diagnosis.  But
why is it always in no.4?  Is the cooling not adequate?  Is
it something else?  Note that this has happened before.
I've got a collection of split valves among the broken axle
shafts.  These are the stellite valves, the engine is a 7:1
SII unit driven about 100 miles a day on mostly paved roads.
No I don't normally use a lead additive, split two others
when I was using it, so don't have much faith in it.  If
anyone knows of a solution to this please preach it.  If you
know why its always no. 4 please let me know.  If this is
totally unusual for this to happen every 2-3 years, tell me
why.

Mitch and the Red Dinosaur

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:44:58
Subject: Re: Measuring head to determine how much you can mill off???

	I'm thinking of milling the head on my 88 to up compression.  I probably
have a 7-1 on it now and would like to go to 9-1 if that is possible.
Really don't know for sure what the compression ratio is as the head is off
an engine that was supposedly rebuilt but had been thoroughly f****d up.
No telling what that ill informed mech. might have done before I had the
head rebuilt.
	Need to know if there is a way to measure the head with a caliper to
determine how much you can take off.  Otherwise, to determine what the
final dimension would be for the 9-1 compression ratio, if possible.
Someone must know what the dimension would be, say from the valve cover
deck, or some other reference point, to the face of the head for various
compression ratios.
	Asked this question on the RN board and got a couple of complicated
answers that would take longer to do than rebuilding the engine.  Just want
some dimensions and from where to take the measurement.
	Also they mentioned changing the pushrods when milling the heads.  Since
there is only one push rod mentioned in the parts book, why are they
suggesting this??
Aloha Peter

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:52:31
Subject: Re: 2.25 Valves

	From my experience with the 2.2l, this is unusual.  I have put over a
100,000 on my various rovers and have never had a valve problem or any
other problem with the engine on an untimely basis.
	From past experience, however, I have found that constant running at 
high
rpm can cause the very same problem you describe.  In my young and foolish
days I seldom got more than 15,000 miles out of a valve job.  Of course I
cruised at 5,000 rpm and regularly ran the engine up to redline when going
through the gears.  Are you trying to cruise at 65-70mph in a 15" wheeled
88????.  That could be the answer.
Aloha Peter

Did a compression check and
>found 0 psi in no. 4, and 60 psi in 1, 2 & 3.  I've seen
>this before, another split valve was now the diagnosis.  But
>why is it always in no.4?  Is the cooling not adequate?  Is
>it something else?  Note that this has happened before.
>I've got a collection of split valves among the broken axle
>shafts.    If this is totally unusual for this to happen every 2-3 years,
tell me
>why.
>Mitch and the Red Dinosaur
>why is it always in no.4?  Is the cooling not adequate?  Is

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I have a 1990 Range Rover rolling chassis for sale. It comes without 3.9,
although if anyone wants a 3.5 I can throw in my unit out of my 1988 Range
Rover. This vehicle has dented panels but all are sound, interior is brown
leather, electric's and engine components are available....

Anyone interested in parts...let me know.

1988 Range Rover..

Loaded up for the rough stuff

1993 Range Rover..

Plushmobile

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From: Keith Elliott <landy@ican.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:17:20 -0400
Subject: Sighting

Hi everyone...

   This may be old news but I just saw the coolest LR sighting that I have ever 
seen... There is a full bodied 101 featured quite a lot in a video from the 
group "Love Inc." the song name is "You're a superstar". It is the first time I 
have seen a 101 used in anything like this. Just too cool!!!!

Keith Elliott
1961 Series II 88"
1953 Series I 80"

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 19:30:13 -1000
Subject: Re: Measuring head to determine how much you can mill off???

Peter,
Someone once told me that you could flip the head upside down, and then
measure how much water it takes to fill the combustion chamber in cc's.  You
then bring #1 to tdc.  Fill this with water, measuring again.  Drop #1 to
the bottom.  Continue filling and measuring.  Add the head measurment to TDC
and Bottom measurement.  Then you have the ratio.
Hope this helps.
Pete

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From: Vince Sabio <vince@humournet.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:34:53 -0400
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

** Sometime around 12:45 -0400 10/07/98, Markexch@aol.com said:

>this is the sixth time of asking.
>I have tried to unsubscribe to the lro-digest on at least six occasions
>without success
>PLEASE UNSUBSCIBE ME NOW.
>I am getting fed up with not having any reponse from you.
>.
In preparation for future idi^H^H^Hmodel citizens such as this, we
need to create, say, a 40K FAQ, which would include (along with 39.9K
of useful information) the instructions for unsubscribing from the list.

Then, when some wanke^Wmodel citizen posts one of these "unsubscribe
me" messages, we can each send him a copy of the FAQ. (Off the list,
of course.)

This is S.O.P. on a couple of the lists that I'm on, and it works quite
well. We refer to it as "FAQing over" the intellectually challenged
subscribers.

- Vince Sabio
  98 Disco (original owner!)
  Series/Defender owner wannabe

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From: Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 08:27:14 +0100
Subject: Re: Measuring head to determine how much you can mill off???

Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote:
>         I'm thinking of milling the head on my 88 to up compression.  I 
probably
> have a 7-1 on it now and would like to go to 9-1 if that is possible.
> Really don't know for sure what the compression ratio is as the head is off
> an engine that was supposedly rebuilt but had been thoroughly f****d up.
> No telling what that ill informed mech. might have done before I had the
> head rebuilt.

Hummm..

Don't know about this one - all I do know is that any more that 100-thou
will cause other problems - see below

>         Also they mentioned changing the pushrods when milling the heads.  
Since
> there is only one push rod mentioned in the parts book, why are they
> suggesting this??
If you skim the head, you will lower the rocker-shaft reletive to the
top of the block. This will, therefor, mean that the rockers themselves
are closer to the camshaft than they were before.  This, in turn, means
than you will have to reset all the tappet adjusters by about the same
amount - -and there ain't overly much adjustment in the grub-screws.

Another thing to be lowered, along with the rocker shaft is the rocker
cover.  Thus, you have raised the tappet adjustment screws, and lowered
the rocker cover. A movement of 100-thou on a 7:1 head will mean that
you need a double-gasket under the 'cover to stop the grub-screws from
tapping the 'cover.

Skimming more than 100-thou will mean that you will need to reduce the
length of the push-rods to enable you to be able to set tappet gaps
reliably.

-- 
Ian Stuart
Computing Services
The University of Edinburgh

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From: Ed Alvarez <alvarez@btnmail.mozcom.com>
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:26:41 +0800
Subject: Re: erratic temperature gauge

thanks, will be working on it this afternoon, it may not be much but the
electrical problems of cars always make me apprehensive

Ed

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From: Ed Alvarez <alvarez@btnmail.mozcom.com>
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:26:45 +0800
Subject: Re: erratic temperature gauge

Hello, thanks for the help will be checking this out.

>If you were driving a REAL Land Rover :-) :-) :-), 

I thought i was  >:-).  Before i got the D90 i was drooling over the series
rigs running around our little town here. All the rovers here are in
running condition and are used as daily drivers by the owners. none for
sale though, so when the D90 came, yippeee!!!!  finally a Land Rover!!!!
Its the best vehicle i have now for the farm and mountain areas we frequent.
BTW my D90 has a tyre on the bonnet, manual transmission, (still have to
try off roading with an automatic), and the dealer tells me the D90's and
110's here in the Philippines leak. but not mine :-) hey it sounds like a
land rover, yes?  no?
>If I
>tap the panel, the gauge returns to normal, or if I do nothing it
>eventually returns on its own.   

Yeah, i did the same thing with the other vehicles i had here. I just got
worried with the D90 'coz it has become a "special" car for me. :-)

Ed Alvarez
Butuan City 
Philippines

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