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From: Iwan Vosloo <iwan@global.co.za>
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 17:40:28 +0200
Subject: Re: Overdrives, Ashcroft Conversion's alternative

Peter,

is that 2.25 diesel of yours totally unmodified, or do you have a
freeflow exhaust or something similar?

- Iwan Vosloo
( 1975 SIII 88" Diesel )

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From: Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod <tantramar@golden.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 09:15:05 +0000
Subject: Winch Woes

I have a standard issue Warn 8247 winch that seems to have a problem
with the freewheel.  When I disengage the LHS know to allow it to
freewheel, I can't just pull out the cable, as the ratchet check on the
LHS stops it from going out.  If I block it so that it doesn't, it's
fine and i can pull out as much as needed and then unblock it, and away
we go.

The winch works perfectly in all other respects, ie with the OUT switch
engaged it feeds alright, the toothed wheel not moving while theinner
wheel feeds out the cable.   

Any ideas?

Cheers,Ian
-- 
Ian Harper/Donna Claire McLeod
http://www.golden.net/~tantramar
Tantramar House Bed and Breakfast
Stratford, Ontario
Phone(519) 273-7771  Fax (519) 273-3993

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From: Todd Milliard <TGMilliard@sprintmail.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 09:31:36 -0400
Subject: (no subject)

Please unsubscribe me from the list.  -Gracias

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 11:07:52 -0300
Subject: Re: Winch Woes

Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod wrote:
> I have a standard issue Warn 8247 winch that seems to have a problem
> with the freewheel.  When I disengage the LHS know to allow it to
> freewheel, I can't just pull out the cable, as the ratchet check on the
> LHS stops it from going out.  If I block it so that it doesn't, it's
> fine and i can pull out as much as needed and then unblock it, and away
> we go.
> The winch works perfectly in all other respects, ie with the OUT switch
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> engaged it feeds alright, the toothed wheel not moving while theinner
> wheel feeds out the cable.
 This not an uncommon problem when the 8274 gets well used. You need a
clutch repair kit.
 What is happening is that the clutch discs are worn and the return
spring is getting weak. When the discs wear they allow the faces to move
together too much and the tired spring can't separate them anymore. The
locking of the clutch is achieved buy a ramp mechanism on the input
shaft and when it can move too far as when the dics are bad it cannot
ramp back to the neutral position.
You can manually separate the faces by turning them in oposite
directions but if the spring is weak they will move back as soon as you
pull on the cable.
 The kit can be installed with the winch in place with many setups but
 it is tricky as there are about 2 dozen ball bearings desperate to
escape and a spring trying to help them. Use a new snap ring (circlip)
whenever the clutch is taken off the shaft. This is important and it
will become clear how important when you are stuck in an icy rut and all
those little ball bearings have scattered in the snow. (been there done
that)
    John and Muddy

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:39:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Going swimming with the rover...

Re: Pipe PLUG:

OK, if you look at the bottom rear-facing side of your bellhousing you're going
to see a threaded hole that looks about 3/8" in diameter - that's the port you
need to plug. The threaded bit that goes in there is a 1/4" pipe PLUG, not a
cap! - it's the bit you use to plug an unneeded port in a pipe T or the like.

Re: 4WD lever:

You have the wrong bit in there - the screw that's made for that application is
a shouldered bolt that can be tightened up solid, yet still let the lever turn.
If you need to bodge a replacement for the moment, take the bolt you have and
slip a small section of steel tubing (like brake line tubing) over it that's a
little wider than the width of the lever. The tubing will go through the hole in
the lever and the lever will ride on it, giving the bolt the flat surface of the
tubing to tighten against.

          ajr

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 98 07:54:18 -0700
Subject: Re: fender mounted indicators/running lights

Steve,
>From your description (left intact at the bottom of this reply) it 
appears that you have a factory Dormobile with the easily removable 
Dormobile parts removed.  

Here are a few questions to determine what you really have.  I'm making 
the assumption that any furniture has also been removed.

1. On the side of the front wings is there a Dormobile badge or two small 
round holes where a Dormobile badge could be mounted?

2. If your car has a single wiper motor is there a Martin Walter's serial 
number plate riveted to the cover that goes over the motor?  Or four 
small round holes?

If the car came with dual wiper motors look in the cubby area on the 
opposite side from the steering wheel along side the centre instrument 
cluster.  Is there a ID plate or four small holes (one for each corner) 
in the firewall inside the cubby box area??

3.  Is there a Dormobile sticker on the rear body of the car?

4. Are there extruded metal rods mounted inside the car over the side 
windows and around the front over the windscreen (Dormobile curtain 
rods)???

5. Do you have seats that fold down into a bed or the standard 109 
station wagon seats?

6.  In the back of the car:
  - Are there any metal plates with threaded attachment rods attached 
     to the body on each side?
  - Is the lid for the rear tool box missing and are there holes where 
    a water drain and a propane hose might have gone through?

7. Have you looked under the seat box for a carrier containing two small 
propane tanks?  Is there holes where one might have been mounted?

8. Is there a light on the instrument panel that doesn't do anything and 
is not one of the standard instrument panel lamps (The one that warns 
that you are driving with the top in the upright position)??

If you can answer yes to most all of these you have a car that was a 
factory Dormobile conversion.

Now to answer your questions:

The tank and light arrangement that you mentioned is a long range option 
installed on some Dormobiles.  The front wings is the standard location 
for Dormobile factory fitted jerry cans.

The light you describe should be mounted high on the driver's side of the 
car.  It has a chrome ring that contains a clear lens facing the front of 
the car and a red lens facing the rear of the car. There should be a 
switch on the instrument panel that activates this lamp.  Think of the 
big lorries (18 wheelers) that park along side the road at night when the 
driver's decide to get some sleep.  They tend to leave the running lights 
on so that their rigs can be seen for safety.  The light that you 
describe is the Dormobile version of this.  The light draws low current 
and is meant to be left on at night so that traffic will see your car and 
avoid it.

I would appreciate knowing the answers to my questions above 
(twakeman@cruzers.com).
;

>Does anyone know for sure if the "pods" installed for indicator/running
>lights on my 67 109 are factory options or were they possibly installed
>when converted to dormobile/Carawagon? The original holes for the lights
;>have been blanked out and dual jerry can mounts(one per side) sit width
;>wise in rectangular boxes on the bumper.
;>The camper style roof was reportedly replaced with a trop top some years
;>before I purchased the truck but the aluminum framed screens on the rear
;>side windows are still there.
;>Anyone?

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:32:57 +1000
Subject: TOP GEAR (DISCOVERY 2000)

Mick Forster wrote:
>Some time ago Clarkson did a series of programmes where he was
>driving different motors in different parts of the world, and he said the
>same in that show about Australians prefering Land Cruisers to Rovers
>because of reliability.
>Does anyone know any figures to prove or disprove this?

That was an over-simplification.  Early Toyotas weren't that reliable BUT
Thiess Toyota who imported LC set up a very good dealer network and would
fly parts from Japan to the poor broaken down bugger in the bush if it
wasn't available in Australia.

Also, Toyotas were MUCH faster than LR straight from the showrooms.  And,
when you have the same distances to travel as in the USA, you want speed.
Futher the LC FJ55 was probably the first readily available (in Oz) 4-door
4wd station wagon that provided some comfort.  If I recall, the FJ55 was in
Australia in 1969 - the local telco tech had one as his work car - I
remember the year because I had just been transferred from Moree satellite
earth station in NSW to Ceduna Satellite Earth Station in South Australia.
That was November 1969.  (Ceduna is 500 miles from the capital of Soput
Australia and is on the edge of the Nullarbor Plain - a desert really)

(As an aside, I recently hosted an international telecoms conference in
Sydney.  A couple from Morristown New Jersey thought Australia was only a
small country because (a) it has a population of only 18 million and (b) it
is an island.  They hadn't realised is almost as big as the USA.  So they
were gonna spend a couple of days driving across the country in a hire car
.....)

Where was I?  Oh, yes.  Sales figures.  The total number of Land Rovers sold
in Australia is far less than what Toyota sell - per model, i.e  LC 100
Series, LC Prado and RAV-4.  LR probably sell more vehicles total than the
LC 70 series.

The Disco is what has brought the sales figures up out of the doldrums.
Actually, the Disco is cheaper than the Japanese 4WDs - in fact it is
especially cheaper when you consider it has all the basic items as standard
whereas on a Toyota LC, everything is optional - including air con.  All the
options add a lot to the price.

I could get the sales figures if really wanted.  I wonder if VFACTS (the
govt vehicle sales figures etc) is on the net?  Does any Aussie lister know?

The Australian public is well conditioned by the 4WD and motoring mags which
will tell you how bad the LR quality control is compared with any of the
Japanese vehicles.  These same magazine will also tell you how much better
the LR is off-road than the Japanese vehicles but very few 4WDs are bought
for off-road use.  They are bought for the dream of off-roading.  That bad
quality control ogre probably stops quite a few sales.

My own Rangie was bought as a tow vehicle but now gets used off-road as
well.  One of my wife's friend's  LC 80 series was bought to tow a 2-horse
float (horse box to the UK listers).  It hasn't been off road - dirt roads,
yes.  Off-road, no.

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:42:50 +1000
Subject: How many people still need/want an O/D?

I notice that Four Wheel Drives in Melnbourne (Australia) have them listed
at A$2000 (US$1160) in their latest catalogue.

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:46:12 +1000
Subject: bolt/stud extractor tips

Casey wrote:

>As I was checking my half-shafts the other night I sheared off a 
>bolt in the hub that was supposed to connect it to the drive flange. 
>Close  inspection showed that what I thought was a missing bolt 
>was another  sheared bolt.  Now I have two adjacent sheared 
>bolts and new ones on the way (FedEx).  

>I bought a few counter-clock-wise spiral threaded extractors 
>and drill bits and I could use some guidance.

Casey, here is something I sent to the Coiler list yesterday.

Larry Michelon wrote:
>There is still stud sticking out on the very aft one.
>The other one only has about 1/4" sticking out. This will probably
>have to be drilled out.
>Any words of wisdom (or encouragement for that matter

Larry, avoid like the plague the usual easy-out that looks like a left
handed coarse thread tap.  It will probably cause the bolt to expand into
the head.
Look around for the square section tapered easy out that is knocked into a
drilled hole and is turned in the usual direction i.e. anti-clockwise
(counter clockwise to you Americans) to remove the stud.  I've seen these
tools made by an American Company Vermont American??

Regards

Ron Beckett

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 00:54:53 +1000
Subject: yadda yadda yadda...

Pat wrote:
>yada, yada, yada (var. sp.)
>And was made common by Seinfeld...

Ahh.  Never seen Seinfeld.  I tried to watch it one night but found it so
unfunny I turned it off after about 10 minutes.  Never tried again.

>generally used when one is tired of repeating the entire message
>that everone already knows, blah blah blah ;-)

Scott Wilson wrote:
>Where are you guys from? have you ever seen Seinfeld?

Nyet.  See above.

Vel Natarajan wrote:
>OK, but you've seen Star Wars, haven't you?

err, no.  I intended to.  I was re-screened locally a short time ago but I
didn't get around to it.  I haven't been to the pictures (movies to US
readers) since 1971.  I remember the year because I had been transferred to
Carnarvon Satellite Earth Station in West Australia (about 600 miles north
of the capital city) and had just bought my Hillman Hunter.  I went to the
local drive-in with it.

Ron

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From: Vince Sabio <vince@humournet.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:22:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Going swimming with the rover...

** Sometime around 10:39 -0400 10/04/98, Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com said:

>Re: Pipe PLUG:
>OK, if you look at the bottom rear-facing side of your bellhousing you're going
>to see a threaded hole that looks about 3/8" in diameter - that's the port you
>need to plug. The threaded bit that goes in there is a 1/4" pipe PLUG, not a
>cap! - it's the bit you use to plug an unneeded port in a pipe T or the like.

Okay, stupid question time: What purpose does the hole serve when it is
NOT plugged? I can't think of anything on the underside of the bell
housing (I assume we're talking about the diff here) that would be open
clear through the inside without causing a good deal of fluid to le--

Oh, wait, I think I've just solved TWO problems ... ;-)

Seriously, I'd appreciate the mechanical elucidation here. And since this
is the LRO list, here's an even DUMBER question: Do the CSers also have
this little port that needs to be plugged before going swimming? I don't
recall anything about that in the owner's manual. (<embarrassed> Yes, I
RTFM. Cover to cover. So sue me. </embarrassed>)

Thanks for the help ...

- Vince Sabio
  Columbia MD
  98 Disco (still no leaks!)

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:22:10 EDT
Subject: Re: yadda yadda yadda...

In a message dated 10/4/98 10:09:18 AM SA Pacific Standard Time,
hillman@bigpond.com writes:

<< Vel Natarajan wrote:
 >OK, but you've seen Star Wars, haven't you?
 err, no.  I intended to.  I was re-screened locally a short time ago but I
 didn't get around to it.  I haven't been to the pictures (movies to US
 readers) since 1971.  I remember the year because I had been transferred to
 Carnarvon Satellite Earth Station in West Australia >>

You'd think that with all those Satellitle dishes you'd be able to get HBO...

Would you like a descrambler box?? ;-)

--pat.

ps: Know any good recipes for a satellite "dish"?

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:33:57 -0700
Subject: Re: yadda - and?(VLLRC)

Ron wrote "I haven't been to the pictures (movies to US readers) since 1971.
I remember the year because I had been transferred to Carnarvon Satellite
Earth Station in West Australia (about 600 miles north of the capital city)
and had just bought my Hillman Hunter.  I went to the local drive-in with
it".

AND?

- you met you wife there and she stopped you from seeing movies ever again
as you had child after child to father?
- you saw your first real series Land Rover and realized that you had to
have one......only you could never go to the drive-in again because the
small windscreen cut off the top half of the screen? - you could have sat
out on the tire though.

So, what really stopped you from going to see the movies - although I
understand that there are only 6 working drive-in's in Australia (23 in the
US).......or something like that.

So was the truth that you no longer see movies 'out' because A. There are so
few drive-ins and B. There are so few cars with bench seats? (There is a
theory that bucket seats were the death of the drive-in).

Ok, I'll bite - what was the last movie that you saw in a theater or
drive-in Ron?
Good day from rainy Seattle on this beautiful Sunday morning.

To the others - Please excuse this interruption, but the fellow across the
table said some stuff that I just had to see about............in this
virtual pub.
:-)

Cheers
David
Full-time father of Alexander - 3.85 years old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home, ketch rigged
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 12:00:52 +0100
Subject: RE: Going swimming with the rover...

Since I asked these same questions and got answers, I'll forward the 
knowledge on to you... 

> Okay, stupid question time: What purpose does the hole serve when it is
> NOT plugged? 

It's called a breather... it's to let the transmission "breathe"... the air can
expand and contract when the thing gets hot, and no oil squirts out the
little holes it's not supposed to... really, though, I don't know the exact
technical purpose of the breather.

> I can't think of anything on the underside of the bell
> housing (I assume we're talking about the diff here) 

Nope... the bellhousing is between the gearbox and the engine block.

I dunno about Defenders, but I'll bet the discovery doesn't need a plug.

-Scott

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From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 09:23:18 -0700
Subject: Re: New face

I interpreted that statement as a clarification:  Since the vehicle was in the
US, the driver's side was the left side.

C

The Becketts wrote:
> LArry Smith wrote:
> >most of the trucks sported a brown stripe down the left (US) side
> > of the truck

> I always thought you Americans were confused.  Since when did the Americans
> start having a left (US) side.  Does this mean that you have a right
> (British) side - or right (French) side if from New Orleans, or right
> (Irish) side if from NYC etc ?
8<

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From: "The Stockdales" <mstockdale@mho.net>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:26:18 -0600
Subject: RE: Tom Rowe's Tools

Tom;

As I recall you had one of each, similar to the back of a
Snap-On Van.  wink wink nudge nudge.

Mitch and the Red Dinosaur
Thats my story and I'm sticking with it.

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 07:38:57
Subject: Re: Going swimming with the rover...

>Okay, stupid question time: What purpose does the hole serve when it is
>NOT plugged? I can't think of anything on the underside of the bell
>housing (I assume we're talking about the diff here) that would be open
>clear through the inside without causing a good deal of fluid to le-

	The hole in the bell housing, that's the casting which attaches the 
engine
to the transmission and in which the clutch resides, is there to allow any
oil which may seep in there from the engine or transmission to leak out.
The clutch needs to run dry or it does all sorts of strange things like
grab, shudder, not engage, etc.  If the oil is not vented, Rovers being
English, the bell housing would eventually fill with oil instead of leaking
on your garage floor.  If water gets in there it can have the same effect
as oil and also can spread any oil that's already in there, around.  So
when you are temporarily going into high humidity areas, the wading plug
can be installed to prevent water from getting in.  
	The differential has a breather on the top of the axle tube in the 
series
and assume the defender and other newer rovers have a way to equalize
pressure in the axles.  In the series its a bronze one way valve that often
sticks closed causing the axle to pressurize, forcing oil past the seals.
Later rovers may have gone with an open system that's tucked up in the body
work where water can't get to it unless you are going scuba diving in your
rover.

	Now for my stupid question, what's a CSer???  Could that be a coiler???

Aloha Peter

 Do the CSers also have
>this little port that needs to be plugged before going swimming? 

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From: Vince Sabio <vince@humournet.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:14:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Going swimming with the rover...

** Sometime around 7:38 -0400 10/04/98, Faye and Peter Ogilvie said:

>>Okay, stupid question time: What purpose does the hole serve when it is
>.
>The hole in the bell housing, that's the casting which attaches the engine
>to the transmission and in which the clutch resides, is there to allow any

<snip excellent explanation>

Thanks! Next question: Since everyone who wrote to me on and off the list 
mentioned the need to keep the clutch dry, can I assume that this little
ditty (the hole, not the clutch) is not present on automatics?

(Apologies for driving a 4WD with an automatic. Not my choice; LRNA
forced me into it by not offering a stick in the Disco LSE. Don't recall
if it was an option in the LE.)

>	Now for my stupid question, what's a CSer???  Could that be a coiler???

It's a coiler who also happens to be subscribed to the CSO (RRO) list. :-)

(Don't hold it against me; as soon as I can afford it, I'll be in the
market for an 88 or 90.) (BTW, I actually kinda enjoyed the GPS discussion
on CSO. Okay, so you can hold THAT against me.)

Thanks again (to everyone) for the explanations. Now I just have to wait
for it to stop raining so I can go poke around underneath the Disco.

- Vince Sabio
  "A Disco owner in Series territory"
  '98 Disco (original owner!)

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From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Sun, 04 Oct 1998 20:33:42 +0200
Subject: Re: Overdrives, Ashcroft Conversion's alternative

No, there are no modifications. I recently changed the timing chain which
improved things. Everything is original. I would be interested in something
though that would give slightly more power, maybe a freeflow system. Anyone
tested that? I assume my engine is in good condition and I thank the PO for
that. 

Peter
Peter Thoren 
1975 109" SIII Diesel
Member #1379 Swedish Land Rover Club
Långmyrtorp
740 20 Vänge
Sweden
phone/fax +46 18 39 20 56
peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se

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From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:04:22 +0200
Subject: winter is coming, extra heat?

Dear list,

Winter is approaching and since I live in Sweden this could mean -30oC... I
am planning to use my 109" SIII diesel all winter and I would very much
like to avoid freezing to death as well. I have two problems:

1. Will my car start? I have a heater for the engine but it is not always
possible to plug it in. What can I do to prevent problems? I have the old
type of heaterplugs. Would the new parallell wired type help? What engine
oil would you use in these temperatures. Currently I am using 20-50 but of
course I need to change it before winter. Will 5-30 increase my oil
consumtion dramatically?

2. Keeping warm. I have read several good tips about this topic and I am
going to mount an extra heater in the back of the car. I am going to the
scrap yard in a day or two so any good advice on which cars heating package
that might be useful is very much appreciated! Also I will insulate the
car. I know someone said something about using a termostate with higher
opening temperature (David?). Would this affect the engine in any negative
way and how high can I go? Other tips? 

I am very thankful for all advice (so are my dogs which might have a
possibility to stay warm this winter...),

Peter

Peter Thoren 
1975 109" SIII Diesel
Member #1379 Swedish Land Rover Club
Långmyrtorp
740 20 Vänge
Sweden
phone/fax +46 18 39 20 56
peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se

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From: "Tom Rowe/CDR" <trowe@ibm.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 14:38:38 -0400
Subject: RE: Tom Rowe's Tools

wrote:
>As I recall you had one of each, similar to the back of a
>Snap-On Van.  wink wink nudge nudge.

In point of fact, I *did* have quite a few Snap-On products which I'd
bought over the years, some used, some new, but it's been awhile
since I really priced Snap-On. I was shocked at what some of them go
for now.  Methinks the insurance company is going to have a fit. I'm
already over $7,000. But my wife got ahold of the guy who made her
guitar and he said it was worth about $9,000 now. I suspect the
insurance company will surely have words with the movers. If the
person who nicked the stuff is ever caught, he's in deep doo-doo, as
we're talking felony here due to the $$ amount. I expect it'll come
to about $25,000 when all is said & done.

It's amazing, I realize I was grossly underestimating the value of my
tools, as I bought them a bit at a time over the years, and like I
said, some of them used. I never sat down and figured out replacement
cost. It makes me realize that we didn't have enough home owners
insurance. If our house had ever burned....

Except for my wife's guitar, which was one of a kind, I guess in some
respects this is a blessing in disguise.
Cheers?

Tom Rowe
Atlanta, GA

Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
in places even more inaccessible.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:44:46 EDT
Subject: Re: Going swimming with the rover...

In a message dated 10/4/98 10:53:43 AM SA Pacific Standard Time,
scott@scratchstudio.com writes:

<< > Okay, stupid question time: What purpose does the hole serve when it is
 > NOT plugged? 
 It's called a breather... it's to let the transmission "breathe"... the air
can
 expand and contract when the thing gets hot, and no oil squirts out the
 little holes it's not supposed to... really, though, I don't know the exact
 technical purpose of the breather. >>

Just so there's no confusion after reading that whole bit: There is never any
reason to plug a breather. One does have a reason to plug up the bellhousing.
The bellhousing hole isn't a breather, it is a drain.

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:51:15 EDT
Subject: Re: Going swimming with the rover...

In a message dated 10/4/98 12:42:11 PM SA Pacific Standard Time,
ogilvi@hgea.org writes:

<< The differential has a breather on the top of the axle tube in the series
 and assume the defender and other newer rovers have a way to equalize
 pressure in the axles.  In the series its a bronze one way valve that often
 sticks closed causing the axle to pressurize, forcing oil past the seals.
 Later rovers may have gone with an open system that's tucked up in the body
 work where water can't get to it unless you are going scuba diving in your
 rover.>>

FWIW, the Defenders have an open breather that connects to some black plastic
pipe which is then routed up into protected areas and it has an upside-
down-"U" at the tip. It works well, but for scuba, I recommend routing the
pipes to a higher/drier point. ALSO, the breathers will fit right in to a
series axle. Some may want to just copy the system by using Home Depot
plumbing bits, I've been told they are also a direct replacement.
 
<<Now for my stupid question, what's a CSer???  Could that be a coiler? >>

CSer- sounds like my local dealer: Crappy Service!

--pat.

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:53:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Badges and Foriegn objects in Electr

<< I tell you that the idea of flying in a plane powerd by Lucas sure 
as hell
frightens me! >>

 Well prepare to be "frightened" then.
 
 Rolls - Royce engined Boeings, specifically B747-400, B767 & B777 have 
 FAFCs (Full Authority Fuel Controls) made by Lucas.
 
 This unit controls the throttles, thrust reversers, and much else 
besides.
 
 And it is VERY VERY reliable.

 Paul

 Sun, 04 Oct 1998 20:59

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:53:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Going swimming with the rover...

<<  If the oil is not vented, Rovers being
English, the bell housing would eventually fill with oil instead of 
leaking on your garage floor. >>

 If you think Rovers leak oil, you ought to look at the good ole 
American Pratt & Whitney JT9 engine as found on early Boeing 747s.
 
 They always leave four large patches of oil on the ramp where they 
have been standing. Another machine that "If it aint leaking, its 
empty".

 Paul

 Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:30

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:53:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Going swimming with the rover...

<< Do the CSers also have
this little port that needs to be plugged before going swimming? I 
don't
recall anything about that in the owner's manual. (<embarrassed> Yes, I
RTFM. Cover to cover. So sue me. </embarrassed>) >>

>From Land-Rover Defender 90. 110. 130 Owners Handbook (1998 model). 

Page 111

 "Under severe wading conditions, the timing cover & flywheel housing 
must be sealed to prevent the ingress of mud and water. Fit the plugs , 
supplied in the tool kit, as illustrated. Remove the plugs immediately 
after wading, or periodically if the vehicle is required to do 
prolonged wading or very muddy work."
 
 The illustrations show a plug that screws into the bottom of the 
flywheel housing, and another that screws into the engine front timing 
cover on a 300 TDi.
 
 The manual covers 300 Tdi, V8 & 4-cyl Petrol models, but only shows 
wading plugs for the 300 TDi.
 
 On page 188 Off-road driving under the heading Wading it says:
 
 "The maximum advisable wading depth is 0.5 metre (20 in)."
 
 Then it lists precautions if water is likely to exceed 0.5 metre (20 
in) which includes:
 
 "Fit a drain plug to the flywheel housing & diesel engine timing cover 
- TDi engines only".
 
 The handbook is Publication No:LRL 0151ENG.
 

 Paul

 Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:12

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 15:53:38 EDT
Subject: Re: Going swimming with the rover...

In a message dated 10/4/98 1:15:24 PM SA Pacific Standard Time,
vince@humournet.com writes:

<< Thanks again (to everyone) for the explanations. Now I just have to wait
 for it to stop raining so I can go poke around underneath the Disco. >>

What's wrong? Not waterproof? You'll need to scotchguard yourself if you want
a series rover... When it rains outside... it rains inside (just to let you
know it is indeed raining)... 

;-)

--pat

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:05:31 +0100
Subject: RE: Going swimming with the rover...

> Just so there's no confusion after reading that whole bit: There is never any
> reason to plug a breather. One does have a reason to plug up the bellhousing.
> The bellhousing hole isn't a breather, it is a drain.

Yeah... I didn't know that the plug went under the bellhousing... I went and 
picked up a plug... $0.50 I would have gotten three or for and given them
out as party favors had he not already brought it back from the back.

-Scott

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 09:53:19 -1000
Subject: Re: Tom Rowe's Tools

>Except for my wife's guitar, which was one of a kind, I guess in some
>respects this is a blessing in disguise.
>Cheers?
>Tom Rowe
>Atlanta, GA

Just curious, do you mean because you will now be getting all new tools, or
because you will be updating your insurance.

When my wife and I first moved in together, her place did not have enough
room for all of my stuff and the hell hole I was moving out of was bug
infested, so we placed ALL of my stuff in an out door storage shed (thing
was huge)  This included tv, stereo system, computer parts (I run a network
from my home for work) and all of my tools (about 20k of snapon stuff).
Well would you believe the day after the move we had a bad storm and an 18"
diameter tree fell on the shed.  The rental company was so lame that it took
2 months for them to send a crew over to remove the thing.  Duiring that
time it was too dangerous to approach the shed.  If your familiar with
Virginia in the late summer you know about the afternoon showers everyday.
So you can imagine the condition of my items when we were finally able to
get them out of the shed.  Luckily my renters insurance was up to date and
covered full replacement cost on all of the items.
Needless to say we are very carefull when it comes to the insurance.
Anytime we make a major purchase, or once a year at a minimum we review the
policy.
Aloha
Pete

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:02:01 EDT
Subject: Re: winter is coming, extra heat?

In a message dated 10/4/98 2:10:12 PM SA Pacific Standard Time,
Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se writes:

<< Winter is approaching and since I live in Sweden this could mean -30oC... I
 am planning to use my 109" SIII diesel all winter and I would very much
 like to avoid freezing to death as well. I have two problems:>>

Really, Only *two*? Now that you've numbered them, more will pop up!
 
<< 1. Will my car start? I have a heater for the engine but it is not always
 possible to plug it in. What can I do to prevent problems? I have the old
 type of heaterplugs. Would the new parallell wired type help? What engine
 oil would you use in these temperatures. Currently I am using 20-50 but of
 course I need to change it before winter. Will 5-30 increase my oil
 consumtion dramatically?>>

Since it is a Diesel, you could keep a charcoal hibachi going under the sump.
I use 20W50 in miami. But they also sell 0W30 here, and for some strange
reason, it outsells 20W50 (hmmm?) If it got that cold for me, I would try the
thinner oil and see what happens. I guess a lot of it depends on the state of
your engine's rings, seals, gaskets, etc.
 
 <<2. Keeping warm. I have read several good tips about this topic and I am
 going to mount an extra heater in the back of the car. I am going to the
 scrap yard in a day or two so any good advice on which cars heating package
 that might be useful is very much appreciated! Also I will insulate the
 car. I know someone said something about using a termostate with higher
 opening temperature (David?). Would this affect the engine in any negative
 way and how high can I go? Other tips? >>

Carry cardboard with you that you can block the radiator with if you need to;
that usually helps a good bit. If you are very mechanically inclined, you
could always mount a 2nd radiator under the back seat and just switch the
plumbing over when it got arctic where you are ;-)
 
 <>

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From: "Tom Rowe/CDR" <trowe@ibm.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 15:31:59 +0100
Subject: Re: Tom Rowe's Tools

wrote:

>Just curious, do you mean because you will now be getting all new
tools, or
>because you will be updating your insurance.

Because I won't "ballpark" the value of my tools anymore.

snip
>If your familiar with Virginia in the late summer
Grew up there.

snip
>Needless to say we are very carefull when it comes to the insurance.
Anytime we make a major purchase, or once a year at a minimum we
review the
>policy.

Yeah, but the problem is, I added tools slowly over the years. They
kinda snuck up on me.

Tom Rowe
Atlanta, GA

Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Vince Sabio <vince@humournet.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:14:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Going swimming with the rover...

** Sometime around 15:53 -0400 10/04/98, Paul Lonsdale said:

><< Do the CSers also have
>this little port that needs to be plugged before going swimming? I 
>don't
>recall anything about that in the owner's manual. (<embarrassed> Yes, I
>RTFM. Cover to cover. So sue me. </embarrassed>) >>
>>From Land-Rover Defender 90. 110. 130 Owners Handbook (1998 model). 
>Page 111

>.
[snip]
>.
While this is very nice, it's for the wrong piece of equipment. I really
should have said "coiler" instead of "CSer," anyway; the reference to
the CSO list was apparently too vague.
>.
** Sometime around 15:53 -0400 10/04/98, SPYDERS@aol.com said:
>In a message dated 10/4/98 1:15:24 PM SA Pacific Standard Time, 
vince@humournet.com writes:
><< Thanks again (to everyone) for the explanations. Now I just have to wait
> for it to stop raining so I can go poke around underneath the Disco. >>
>recall anything about that in the owner's manual. (<embarrassed> Yes, I
>.
>What's wrong? Not waterproof? You'll need to scotchguard yourself if you want
>a series rover... When it rains outside... it rains inside (just to let you
>know it is indeed raining)... 
>.
(LOL) But that's what I have the Disco for. 10K miles and still no leaks ...

- Vince Sabio
  98 Disco
  Series/Defender Owner Wanna-be

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:14:53 EDT
Subject: Re: Tom Rowe's Tools

Said with "20/20 hindsight" (you can inagine this in either: Hugh Downs' or
Barbara Waters' voice, depending on who is still alive):

I don't know about 109/88 door locks, but I have a hard time leaving the 110
with anything of any value in it, and that is with the so-called more modern
locks, darkened windows and a Tuffy box. If I have some stuff that won't fit
in the Tuffy, it goes into a locked (by not much) seat-box and the front seats
get pulled all the way up. Not many know to look there if they don't see the
latch.

I'm sure the thieves had enough time to do a thorough job on Paul's LR, and
not a lot would have stood in their way.

Dave bobeck had a funny story about LR doorlocks, etc., and if he's nice he'll
repost it.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 16:17:09 EDT
Subject: Re: Tom Rowe's Tools

In a message dated 10/4/98 3:16:28 PM SA Pacific Standard Time,
SPYDERS@aol.com writes:

<< I'm sure the thieves had enough time to do a thorough job on Paul's LR, and
 not a lot would have stood in their way. >>

Who is paul? I meant Tom.

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@email.msn.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:43:25 +0100
Subject: Re: Going swimming with the rover...

Thanks! Next question: Since everyone who wrote to me on and off the list
mentioned the need to keep the clutch dry, can I assume that this little
ditty (the hole, not the clutch) is not present on automatics?

Er......as ref the above? WHAT? Auto's DO have CLUTCHES don't they?
Otherwise how do THEY change gear without tearing teeth of the gears? Just a
question!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Neil

(er, ahem, my daily driver F**D Ex*lorer has a 5 speed auto................,
of course my SIII doesn't!!!!!!!!!!)

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 16:13:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Badges and Foriegn objects in Electr 

Someone posted:

<< I tell you that the idea of flying in a plane powerd by Lucas sure 
   as hell frightens me! >>
 

and  Paul responed:
<< Rolls - Royce engined Boeings, specifically B747-400, B767 & B777 have 
   FAFCs (Full Authority Fuel Controls) made by Lucas.
   This unit controls the throttles, thrust reversers, and much else 
   besides. >>

	Lucas also made some landing gear components for the F/A-18.  After
100 or 200 mid-air emergencies, the US Gov't sued Lucas. This was about 4
years ago.  YMMV.

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:22:17 EDT
Subject: Re: Americans love of SCUDS

In a message dated 98-10-01 20:33:25 EDT, you write:

<< The USAToday web site had a picture of it sitting on the dock in CA.  It
was
 a launcher and missle.  Missle was not active.  Propably one of those inert
 things they used for those big parades in Red Square
 Pete >>

That's most likely the problem: the U.K.'s interpretation of "inert", varies
significally from the U.S. interpretation...

Example: an "inert" rifle in the U.K., is no more than a rifle that has had
the barrel filled with lead, and the firing pin removed. In the U.S., for the
same rifle to be considered inert, the receiver has to be cut in half.

Possibly, in the case of a missle, perhaps the U.S. wants something similar to
be done? Not sure, as there's lots of inert/intact missles lying about here in
civilian hands: two that come to mind, are the ones on display at the L.A.
Museum of Science and Industry, in Exposition Park, and the one that was once
in front of the Rodium Drive-In, in Gardena (they sold it for scrap, if the
story I heard was correct).

...While on the subject of museums, the Aviation Museum in Balboa Park (San
Diego), has on display outside, the sole-surviving Convair XF2Y Sea Dart, as
well as a genuine Lockheed F-12A!

Charles

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 17:23:00 EDT
Subject: Re: Badges and Foriegn objects in Electr

In a message dated 10/4/98 4:14:34 PM SA Pacific Standard Time,
bens@psasolar.colltech.com writes:

<< << Rolls - Royce engined Boeings, specifically B747-400, B767 & B777 have 
    FAFCs (Full Authority Fuel Controls) made by Lucas.
    This unit controls the throttles, thrust reversers, and much else 
    besides. >>
 
 	Lucas also made some landing gear components for the F/A-18.  After
 100 or 200 mid-air emergencies, the US Gov't sued Lucas. This was about 4
 years ago.  YMMV. >>

100 *or* 200? i'm glad they didn't wait TOO long. especially a minor part like
a landing gear component. 

"I've got smoke in my cockpit! Dad, put out your cigar, i can't see the
cupholders!"

--pat.

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From: William Leacock <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 19:17:05 -0400
Subject: Lucas Aerospace

Upside down Ron writes : I tell you that the idea of flying in a plane
powerd by Lucas sure as hell
frightens me!

When I worked for Lucas we designed, manufactiured and supplied parts for
the Canberra, the lightning, the Nimrod, the Vulcan, the Victor, the
Lockheed L1011, the Harrier jump jet, one of the big McDonell  Douglas jobs
and plenty more, all have excellent safety records complete with their
quality Lucas parts !!!!  So there are potentially millions pf folks out
there who have had the pleasure  of a Lucas aided flight.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 13:20:46 -1000
Subject: Re: Tom Rowe's Tools

>Yeah, but the problem is, I added tools slowly over the years. They
>kinda snuck up on me.

That is why I recomend reviewing the policy at least once a year.  Also I
guess I am kind of retentive about keeping tool receipts
Pete

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 17:47:01 -0700
Subject: Re: winter is coming, extra heat?

I have no comments on keeping warm as I have a Smiths shin roaster. As
for oil, I would suggest synthetic as in extreme cold, it doesn't seem
to thicken as much as conventional oil. I would think 5w-30 would be ok.
As Spyders said, carry cardboard to put in front of the radiator, it
does help. I have had a 195 degree thermostat in my petrol engine with
no problem, which helps only if the engine can get that hot which is
where the cardboard comes in. You will need to experiment on the size of
the piece, and make sure to take it out when it gets warm out.

Peter Thoren wrote:
 
> Winter is approaching and since I live in Sweden this could mean -30oC... I
 What engine
> oil would you use in these temperatures. Currently I am using 20-50 but of
> course I need to change it before winter. Will 5-30 increase my oil
> consumtion dramatically?

Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88"

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:38:04 +0100
Subject: Hello... RE the weekend...

Just thought I'd write and say hello.I think I have your list of motels
in the area, but I was wondering if you had the list of places to camp
in the area as well... looking forward to the trip...

I was wondering if there were any other series rovers showing up,
or if it will be only me and a bunch of RR's and 90's... 

Looks like there will be a bit of rain up that way this week, too... 
should make for interesting travel.

by the way, I don't guess I've actually introduced myself... I'm 
Scott Wilson, and I'm the guy driving the SIII up from Brooklyn.

later...

-Scott

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 18:11:08 -0600
Subject: Re: Americans love of SCUDS

Charles Irvin wrote:

***************************
Example: an "inert" rifle in the U.K., is no more than a rifle that has
had
the barrel filled with lead, and the firing pin removed. In the U.S.,
for the
same rifle to be considered inert, the receiver has to be cut in half.
***********************************

Yep-At the Gunsmithing school I'm at, we have the "Honor" of destroying
all the guns used in crimes from southern Colorado and Northern New
Mexico. We get out the old cutting torch and cut the receivers in half.
We get to keep all the spare parts.

Last Month we got a Brand new Model 29 S&W-mint. Was stolen from a
gunshop and used in a hold-up-no shots were ever fired in it!!Hurt us to
take the torch to it!! Unfortunatly the sheriff made SURE we torched
that one!!

LR CONTENT--Some of the cheap guns are made of aluminum alloy-the torch
goes through that like 90 wt though my gearbox!!!

Art
1960 SII "Aardvark"

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:41:36 +0100
Subject: OOPs again: Hello... RE the weekend...

damn I hate it when I do that... 

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From: "Tom Rowe/CDR" <trowe@ibm.net>
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:01:53 +0100
Subject: Re: Tom Rowe's Tools

wrote:
snip
>I don't know about 109/88 door locks, but I have a hard time leaving
the 110
>with anything of any value in it,

Oh, I wouldn't dream of leaving anything like my stuff in it on the
street. The whole story is that the movers said my Land Rover would
be on the van except for a little while when they rolled it out onto
the loading dock to put another small load on, and that it's contents
would be as safe in the Rover as anywhere else in the van. They never
mentioned that they were going to take it off the truck, and leave it
unattended for three days in the yard. Fenced yard or no fenced yard.

Tom Rowe
Atlanta, GA

Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Dr. Gary.A.Bauer" <bauerg@iafrica.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 09:05:53 +0200
Subject: ARB Lockers for Forward Control

The "funny" Salisbury diff referred to, is that what I would know as the
ENV type axle.   If this is not so, does anyone know whether there are
lockers available for the ENV diffs and axles - these are also commonly on
the Forward control, are heavy and durable! - am considering putting these
onto a SWB 88"!

Last little question and please feel free to reply off the list.   Am
restoring an 80" built in early May 1949 and am looking for various small
parts - trafficators, Back "D" lights, and last but not least, a 1600 cc
motor!!!!   The latter I have been looking for in SA for about 18 months
with no joy!

Many thanks
Gary Bauer

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:16:05 +1000
Subject: Snorkels

Some members of the list asked for pix of the Safari Snorkels.  I've replied
to some who supplied details of their vehicle( Defender, Disco, V8, 200tdi,
300tdi etc) so I could send the right pix.  But I haven't replied to all.

To who do I still have to reply?

Regards.

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:29:07 +1000
Subject: Office of Rad safety

http://www.dot.gov.au/programs/fors/forshome.htm  is a link to the
Australian Federal Office of Road Safety.  Worth a look.

Ron

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