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From: Peter Goundry <peterg@aircast.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:49:03 -0400 
Subject: 109 PU s2 Questions

<<Mark wrote:, Appreciate comments regarding quality of 2 vs 2A vehicles
...have been told series 2 used thicker materials, higher quality than
2A.>> 

Once you get into that kind of price range, you should start thinking
about importing a truck or contacting Rovers North. You can source one
in England and get it here for approx. $10,000 landed cost. The vehicle
will be in good condition with a current MOT. Generally the folks doing
this start with category A1 IIA ambulances. They generally have very low
mileage and are in extremely good condition. The one I imported had
17,000 miles on the clock and contrary to public opinion does not leak
oil anywhere (except when I changed the oil several weeks ago). 

Peter Goundry
67 GS109 IIA, 73 Lightweight, 97 D90 #127 

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:57:49 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: ARB locker for landrover 101

In a message dated 10/2/98 2:15:00 AM, you wrote:

<<I know of one 101 that has ARBs and the fellow who has it, bought
the parts from someone in Canada who had the necessary parts machined from
scratch. >>

First you have to locate a pile of "scratch" it is hard to come by these days,
but when you have some, and know what to do with it, you can do amazing
things.

The other day, the SO wasn't feeling well, so me, I go to the kitchen and
start to make Chicken Soup. A friend calls and asks what I'm doing, well, I'm
making Chicken Soup I say. "From Scratch??" He asks, dumbfounded. No, silly,
from chickens, they taste much better! was my answer.

I didn't know that one could also make diff locker bits from scratch.

I'll have to find some scratch, and if it doesn't work in my soup recipe, I
can always make something from it.

--pat.

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From: Paul G <pgussack@utk.edu>
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 08:22:38 -0400
Subject: Frank-Logo vs Pub

I thought I was discussing the Pub badge?

I only subscribe to the Leaf list so I don't know how many
cross-subscribers ( Is that like cross-dressers?)there are.I think the
list logo and URL with a pub sign look would be great. Question about
which list this was for was to determine if the Rovers featured on the
badge could be narrowed to the leaf sprung only.  having subscribed to
this list for several years (two before I actually bought one) I've
learned alot, most of all, there are no lack of opinions

Best of all. It's fun to get into the thick of it. 

Paul G

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 22:59:27 +1000
Subject: What if...

Ron wrote:

>I wish I still had it.  It was cavernous inside.  But they all
>rusted out around the roof - have you ever seen one that hadn't?

Luis Manuel Gutierrez wrote:

FJ-40s are as common here as Land Rovers. Same basic Idea.
But I've never seen one rusted around the roof. I've seen them rusted on the
bottom of the doors, on the lower part of the waist, on the lower parts of
fenders and on every corner, but never near the roof.

Hi Luis,  the FJ40 has a fibreglass roof that's why they don't rust.  But
FJ55s and FJ60 (or HJ60s) do rust just above the gutters.  I've even seen 80
Series rust around the roof line.

By the way, the US 100 series LC has independant front suspension (IFS).  In
Australia, only the Lexus and the LC GXL v8 get IFS.  The others have the
traditional axle.

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:02:22 +1000
Subject: BEad breaking

The Becketts wrote:
> relatively easy.  But, the hard bit is breaking the beads.  I have a bead
> breaker

Paul replied:
>I've been using the vehicle to break beads for almost two
>decades now and I haven't met a bead that can't be easily broken.

I tried that with my FJ55.  There was no way I could break the bead like
that (split rims).

I even sat a high lift jack on the tyre and lifted the FJ55 up into the air.
No way would the bead break.  Yes, the tyre was deflated 8-)

Ron

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From: alice@atd.crane.navy.mil
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:08:12 +0000
Subject: Manual Recommendation?

Recommend to me the best set of manuals for working on a 
mid'60s 2A 88?  Where can I buy them?

I see that Haynes publishes a LR manual, but I find Haynes to be 
lacking at times.  I read of a "green book" mentioned once.  What
is this manual? 
Mark

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:51:12 +1000
Subject: . yadda yadda yadda...

.> yadda yadda yadda...

What does this mean?

Ron

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From: Terje Krogdahl <tekr@nextel.no>
Date: 02 Oct 1998 15:52:04 +0200
Subject: Re: axel haakonsen-african web site

"Robert McCullough" <dieselbob@erols.com> writes:

> little honda motocycle and brought us some beer and "lakavietz"?, clear, =
> in a mason jar (hmmm), all you could do was sip it. they didn't speak =

Aquavit. Good stuff, heavily spiced spirits, 'bout 40% alcohol.

-- 
Terje Krogdahl
Norwegian Land Rover Club
http://www.land.rover.no
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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From: "Huub Pennings" <hps@FS1-KFIH.AZR.NL>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:55:14 +0100
Subject: (Fwd) sortout + in Holland

For any listmembers going to the sortout/exposition "50 jaar 
Land Rover" on the Autotron grounds in Rosmalen tomorrow and on 
sunday.

It would be a nice opportunity to link some names to faces so I 
propose to have a get together at the Landrover Club Holland  info 
stand at 13.00 hour. I will be there on stand will be  recognizable 
by my short beard and the fact that I will be wearing a bright Yellow 
T-shirt and coat.(O'neill) 
 

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: Leger Marc-Andre <mleger@wefa.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:21:53 -0400 
Subject: Test

Sorry, just did some changes to my email... and wanted to see if I was
still on-line to LRO...	

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"Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new."
Albert Einstein  

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:22:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Looking for a 109 and 88

> big ugly boxy truck<
What/who are you calling UGLY??!     ;    )

Ed - don't take my replies too seriously - I was just venting.
I was writing that out thinking - the guy probably drives a disco.  Whadda
know!
Anyway - have fun looking for and playing with your series!

Cheers - Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 98 07:27:43 -0700
Subject: Re: Manual Recommendation?

>Recommend to me the best set of manuals for working on a 
>mid'60s 2A 88?  Where can I buy them?
;
I think the factory repair manuals are the best references available for 
anyone working on their Land Rover.  They are more complete than the 
hanes manual and have less mistakes.  The two volume manual set is a bit 
pricy but will pay for it's self very quickly when you do your own work.

If you can swing it:
I also recommend grtting the factory parts and optional parts manuals for 
your car.  These manuals show all the parts, including the ones that are 
missing and the options that did not come with your car.  The drawings 
are better than the ones in the repair maunal.  Also every LR parts 
dealer I know of references their parts to the factory parts number.  So 
if you can find the part you need refering to it by the LR number will 
make sure that you and the parts dealer are talking about the same part.

Now if I can just figure out how to get some of those drive train 
protection panels that came on Swiss spec Land Rovers....

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:38:48 -0500
Subject: axel haakonsen-african web site

>>>>> "Robert" == Robert McCullough <dieselbob@erols.com> writes:

    Robert> "lakavietz"?, clear, = in a mason jar (hmmm),

Akvavit.  Like whiskey (oieskebaugh?) it means "water of
life".  Yum.  One of my favorite sips.  Tastes vaguely of
caraway seeds.  Can't get the good norwegian stuff here, only
the danish and swedish stuff....

						-MM

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From: "Wise Owl Innovation Incorporated" <wiseowl@direct.ca>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:59:29 -0700
Subject: Re: xfer gearing

Jim the best transfer case to get is a suffix B which has the lower low
range common to the series 1 and 11 but has the stronger intermediate gear
shaft found in later trucks

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:53:27 EDT
Subject: Re:  . yadda yadda yadda...

Sorry, Ron. It is along the lines of:

blah, blah, blah

etc., etc., etc.

&on, &on,&on...

yada, yada, yada (var. sp.)

And was made common by Seinfeld...

gnerally used when one is tired of repeating the entire message that everone
already knows, blah blah blah ;-)

--pat.

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From: "Wise Owl Innovation Incorporated" <wiseowl@direct.ca>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:01:53 -0700
Subject: Re: Re: ARB locker for landrover 101

Give me a call we made up those 101 arb lockers 1-888-880-2600

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> From: SPYDERS@aol.com
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Re:  Re: ARB locker for landrover 101
> Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 4:57 AM
> In a message dated 10/2/98 2:15:00 AM, you wrote:

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
> <<I know of one 101 that has ARBs and the fellow who has it, bought
> the parts from someone in Canada who had the necessary parts machined
from
> scratch. >>
> First you have to locate a pile of "scratch" it is hard to come by these
> Subject: Re:  Re: ARB locker for landrover 101
days,
> but when you have some, and know what to do with it, you can do amazing
> things.
> The other day, the SO wasn't feeling well, so me, I go to the kitchen and
> start to make Chicken Soup. A friend calls and asks what I'm doing, well,
> In a message dated 10/2/98 2:15:00 AM, you wrote:
I'm
> making Chicken Soup I say. "From Scratch??" He asks, dumbfounded. No,
silly,
> from chickens, they taste much better! was my answer.
> I didn't know that one could also make diff locker bits from scratch.
> I'll have to find some scratch, and if it doesn't work in my soup recipe,
> start to make Chicken Soup. A friend calls and asks what I'm doing, well,
> In a message dated 10/2/98 2:15:00 AM, you wrote:
I

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From: lndrvr@ldd.net (BRIAN WILLOUGHBY)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:02:31 -0500
Subject: How many people still need/want an O/D?

I'm curious as to how many people out there still are in the market for an
overdrive.  I would think that if there is sufficient demand, some other
outfit might be willing to rid Superwinch of the Fairey tooling and set up
some sort of small scale production of the units.  It's happened before
with other "specialty" items for antique cars where the previous
manufacturer felt there wasn't sufficient demand or profit to justify
keeping the part in production.  Just a thought.  Anybody listening?  (Or
am I still being censored for my previous tirades?)

Brian Willoughby
1960 Land-Rover Series II 88" S.W. "The Lady Eleanor"

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From: "Wilson, Scott" <wilsons@msmail.vislab.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:00 -0500
Subject: RE: . yadda yadda yadda...

> yadda yadda yadda...
> What does this mean?

Where are you guys from? have you ever seen Seinfeld?
'yadda yadda yadda' is the yiddish equivalent to the latin 'et cetera'
only you can use it in MANY more situations...

[A bad paraphrase from Sienfeld]

George - You don't 'yadda yadda yadda' sex... I mean you could
yadda yadda everything but, right?

Elaine - No... I yadda yadda'd sex yesterday... I met this lawyer,
and we went back to his place and yadda yadda...

(I know bad... but I thought a little context would help)

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From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:10:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: How many people still need/want an O/D?

brian, i have one that whines and i was thinking
of replacement, but it is easy to put off.  i
would like another -- if a company picked it up,
hopefully they could revamp the quality level.  i would
definitely buy one if the noise was down, the life
expectancy was up, and the price was in the 700-1000 range.
oh, add:  repair parts available at reasonable price...

ray harder with 2 siia -- one on the road and the other in
restoration...

On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, BRIAN WILLOUGHBY wrote:

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:05:59 -0700
Subject: Re: How many people still need/want an O/D?

I did want one, but luckily I called in time to get the last Toro DAP
had. I however have a friend who wants one eventually.
Jim Hall 
Elephant Chaser 1966 88"

BRIAN WILLOUGHBY wrote:
> I'm curious as to how many people out there still are in the market for an
> overdrive.  I would think that if there is sufficient demand, some other
> outfit might be willing to rid Superwinch of the Fairey tooling and set up
> some sort of small scale production of the units.  It's happened before
> with other "specialty" items for antique cars where the previous
> manufacturer felt there wasn't sufficient demand or profit to justify
> keeping the part in production.  Just a thought.  Anybody listening?  (Or
> am I still being censored for my previous tirades?)

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:35:31 -0300
Subject: Re: How many people still need/want an O/D?

BRIAN WILLOUGHBY wrote:
> I'm curious as to how many people out there still are in the market for an
> overdrive.  I would think that if there is sufficient demand, some other
> outfit might be willing to rid Superwinch of the Fairey tooling and set up
> some sort of small scale production of the units.  

>.
I can count on one hand at least six people who would like to have one, 
given the price were right. ( Usually the stumbling block )

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:37:27 EDT
Subject: slot available for MAR

Can't get outa town to go to VA this weekend, so my registration will be
available. Anyone want to go but couldn't get registered in time? I'll check
email again around three.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS
LROA #1095
SoLaRoS #23
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1

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From: Casey McMullen <st93wxta@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:33:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: How many people still need/want an O/D?

How many fingers do you have on each hand Con?  8^)

According to Con P. Seitl:
> I can count on one hand at least six people who would like to have one, 
> given the price were right. ( Usually the stumbling block )
> Con Seitl
> 1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:43:04 EDT
Subject: Re: slot available for MAR

I've got a registration and Saturday night meal available also.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:10:29 -0300
Subject: Re: How many people still need/want an O/D?

Casey McMullen wrote:
> How many fingers do you have on each hand Con?  8^)
> According to Con P. Seitl:
> > I can count on one hand at least six people who would like to have one,
> > given the price were right. ( Usually the stumbling block )

>.
I'm counting the finger that I split with a maul working on the LR !

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:05:48 -0700
Subject: Re: . yadda yadda yadda...

"Wilson, Scott" wrote:
> > yadda yadda yadda...
> > What does this mean?
> Where are you guys from? have you ever seen Seinfeld?

8<
Ron is from Oz.

C

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From: Casey McMullen <st93wxta@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:19:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: bolt/stud extractor tips

As I was checking my half-shafts the other night I sheared off a bolt in the 
hub that was supposed to connect it to the drive flange.  Close 
inspection showed that what I thought was a missing bolt was another 
sheared bolt.  Now I have two adjacent sheared bolts and new ones on the 
way (FedEx).  I bought a few counter-clock-wise spiral threaded extractors 
and drill bits and I could use some guidance.
1) What size extractor should I use?
  I imagine as large as possible to eliminate breaking the extractor off too.
2) How deep should I drill the pilot hole?
  All the way though?

Thanks,
Casey M
'72 sIII 88"

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From: "Axel HAAKONSEN"<axel_haakonsen@hsbcsecuritiesinc.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:28:05 -0500
Subject: Re:  Sometimes I'm just blown away (marginal LR)

<<this is a pub comment that it is  still really good to get
an envelope  with stuff that someone has put together for you, in their own
handwriting>>

You'll get no argument from me on that, Allan.  Actually, my mother still sends
me clippings and other things every now and then, and I really enjoy getting
them.  I was just commenting on how far we have come technologically when I can
in an instant get (almost) real time picture feeds from anywhere on the globe
with a web cam or can read the latest edition of a relatively small Norwegian
newspaper or check out a Land Rover club site in Australia (LR content) while
sitting in my office here in NYC.  Is this good or bad?  I don't  know, but it
amazes me.

Axel Haakonsen

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:35:31 EDT
Subject: Re: bolt/stud extractor tips

In a message dated 10/2/98 12:28:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
st93wxta@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu writes:

<<  I bought a few counter-clock-wise spiral threaded extractors 
 and drill bits and I could use some guidance.
 1) What size extractor should I use?
   I imagine as large as possible to eliminate breaking the extractor off too.
 2) How deep should I drill the pilot hole?
   All the way though? >>

Tip #1:  Don't use the spiral counterclockwise extractors; use the ones that
are squared off.

Tip #2:  The extractor should just bottom out in the pilot hole otherwise it
will push out on the bolt and make it harder to extract.

Tip #3:  If it doesn't go smoothly from the onset, take it to a machine shop
for extraction.  If you break off one of those hardened extractors in the
bolt, you will be very sorry (they are difficult to remove afterwards and you
may have to replace the part).

Nate

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:43:52 -0400
Subject: Re: bolt/stud extractor tips

On the sheared bolts:

Is there any of the bolt still sticking up out of the hub? If there is, simply
slot that bit with a hacksaw and try turning it out with a large screwdriver.

I have never had any luck with the reverse-threaded removers, and little luck
with the drive-in straight fluted ones. In this situation, if I could get any
purchase on the bolt I'd try spinning it out, if not get a back-spiral drill
(reverse spiral, laso known as a left-hand drill) and try drilling the center
out with that. Many people I know of who've done this have had the bolt come out
during the process - it might be easier.

          ajr

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:46:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: bolt/stud extractor tips

>Tip #1:  Don't use the spiral counterclockwise extractors; use the ones that
>are squared off.

Why?  Do they just not work as well?  Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: "Axel HAAKONSEN"<axel_haakonsen@hsbcsecuritiesinc.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:39:47 -0500
Subject: Re: African Web Site - Sandefjord (Little LR Content)

<<i can remember being in the u.s. army and parachuting into a small airfield =
just above Sanderfjord on a training exercise in 1969.>>

Sounds like Torp Airfield, it is not too far from Tønsberg, where I am from.

<<later that evening, two BEAUTIFUL !!!! women came up on a =
little honda motocycle and brought us some beer and "lakavietz"?, clear, =
in a mason jar (hmmm), all you could do was sip it.>>

It was probably supposed to be Akevitt (Aquavit), but if it was in a mason jar,
I suspect it was home made.  (Hjemmebrent)  Potent stuff.....

Yes, Norway is a beautiful country, and from what I hear, they have a pretty
active Land Rover club, too. (LR Content)  I don't know where they go off road,
though, from what I remember, motorized travel off road is pretty much outlawed
everywhere.  Terje, do you want to elaborate on this one?

Axel Haakonsen, NJ, USA
97 Disco (Please don't kick me out of the pub, I PROMISE I will buy a leafer
some day)

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:52:17 EDT
Subject: Re: bolt/stud extractor tips

In a message dated 10/2/98 12:48:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pmk11@cornell.edu writes:

<< >Tip #1:  Don't use the spiral counterclockwise extractors; use the ones
that
 >are squared off.
 Why?  Do they just not work as well?  Peter >>

Correct.  (In my pathetic experience).  The spiral ones have only worked for
me in the setting of a screw broken off in wood.  Never in metal in metal.

Nate

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:09:22 EDT
Subject: Re: African Web Site

CNN just did a short bit about the africam site, I just saw it on a local
station's show over lunch.

Rover content: the Zebra had a SIII grille imprint on it's rump ;-)

--pat.

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From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:28:15 -0500
Subject: Re: How many people still need/want an O/D?

BRIAN WILLOUGHBY wrote:
    >> I'm curious as to how many people out there still are
    >> in the market for an overdrive.  

I was.  I don't think my cashflow will support 1.2K, for some
while, though.  Ce'st la guerre.
							-MM

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From: "Robert A. Virzi" <rvirzi@gte.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:09:07 -0400
Subject: Re: design input

>I would like a graphic idea that represents both the old and the new Land
>Rovers.
>One such example is: Coil and Leaf springs.
>otherwise, I am left with, ahhhhhh - the Land Rover logo?

Drum vs disc brakes?

GTE Labs, MS-38            rvirzi@gte.com         voice: +1.781.466.2881
40 Sylvan Rd                                        fax: +1.781.466.4035
Waltham, MA, USA  02454

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:21:12 EDT
Subject: Re: design input

In a message dated 10/2/98 2:12:52 PM, rvirzi@gte.com writes:

<<>I would like a graphic idea that represents both the old and the new Land
>Rovers.
>One such example is: Coil and Leaf springs.
>otherwise, I am left with, ahhhhhh - the Land Rover logo?

Drum vs disc brakes?>>

There's another reason to put a 110 on there. Both discs and drums.

--pat.

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From: "ERIK BARR" <019542b@relay.acadiau.ca>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:24:38 +0400
Subject: close call for a dormobile

Hi All,
I just wanted to thank those who sent advice on my sparking 
problem. I have not had a chance to try the suggestions yet as I 
had a bit of a surprise this morning.  We had a lot of wind last night 
and as I walked down stairs this morning my eyes popped out of 
my head as I looked out into the driveway.  A  spruce tree 14 
inches in diameter had fallen over and crushed the roof of my wife's 
diesel jetta (which is a write off) and was laying across the hood of 
my car (it is fine) which was parked right beside it.  As crappy as it 
is, I am glad it didn't fall 90 degrees counter clockwise or it would 
have got the Dormobile! It was parked 8' away.  Tardis might 
become my daily driver again!
Erik

Erik Barr
Department of Psychology, Wolfville, NS, B0P 1X0            
(902) 542-2201x1490      Fax 542-3323 

RR#1 Wolfville, NS, B0P 1X0, (902)542-0194

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:33:20 EDT
Subject: Re: close call for a dormobile

In a message dated 10/2/98 2:25:32 PM, 019542b@relay.acadiau.ca writes:

<<A  spruce tree 14 
inches in diameter had fallen over and crushed the roof of my wife's 
diesel jetta (which is a write off) and was laying across the hood of 
my car (it is fine) which was parked right beside it.  As crappy as it 
is, I am glad it didn't fall 90 degrees counter clockwise or it would 
have got the Dormobile! It was parked 8' away.  Tardis might 
become my daily driver again!>>

Too bad winter is approaching... you could have a local welding shop remove
the roof, door tops and windscreen, then weld the doors shut and you'd have a
perfectly useable roadster-jetta. 

I'm amazed at what is considered a total loss in this country. Case in point,
my girlfriends 89 Honda preluda was stolen and then recovered. They took the
entire interior and the 4 wheels. Ohterwise the vehicle was driveable. Anyone
who wanted a SCCA race-project would have had 1/2 the job already done. It
just needed a race seat, roll cage, wheels and a top up of the fuel tank. They
scrapped a perfectly good (it was in great shape, in & out) vehicle.

--pat.

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:33:47 -1000
Subject: Exhaust

Aloha Everyone
I have been busy doing some work on another vehicle, trying to get it ready
to pass its safety inspection and as I was working on the exhaust, my mind
started wondering.
What I am curious about is weather or not a free flow design exhaust system
would be benificial on a series rover?
I have seen headers in the parts catalogs, and a larger diameter pipe and
free flow muffler would be easy to source.  The reason I am asking is I was
always under the impression that this mod would effect top end speed.  Would
it improve the low end torgue and throttle response on the 2.25 also?
Any one out there done any extensive exhaust remod?
TIA
Pete

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:52:43 -0300
Subject: Re: close call for a dormobile

ERIK BARR wrote:
> A  spruce tree 14
> inches in diameter had fallen over and crushed the roof of my wife's
> diesel jetta (which is a write off) and was laying across the hood of
> my car (it is fine) which was parked right beside it.  As crappy as it
> is, I am glad it didn't fall 90 degrees counter clockwise or it would
> have got the Dormobile! It was parked 8' away.  Tardis might
> become my daily driver again!
>.
Lucky indeed you are EriK. We had the same wind last night that you got,
and unluckily enough, nothing fell on the F@*k Windstar. Oh well, maybe
someone will steal and burn it!?

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:55:14 -0300
Subject: Re: . yadda yadda yadda...

Christopher H. Dow wrote:
> "Wilson, Scott" wrote:
> > > yadda yadda yadda...
> > > What does this mean?
> > Where are you guys from? have you ever seen Seinfeld?

I've heard and even used the term "yadda ", etc, but also have never
viewed a single show of Seinfeld. I own a LR.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: Vel Natarajan <vel@adam.enteract.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:56:41 -0500
Subject: Re: . yadda yadda yadda...

On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 03:55:14PM -0300, Con P. Seitl wrote:
> I've heard and even used the term "yadda ", etc, but also have never
> viewed a single show of Seinfeld. I own a LR.

OK, but you've seen Star Wars, haven't you?

Yadda is a jedi-master.  "Know you not the ways of the dark side?
Lord Lucas shall destroy you if careful you are not.  He will first
turn you to the dark side, and yadda, yadda, yadda..."

Vel

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From: Vel Natarajan <vel@adam.enteract.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:22:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Manual Recommendation?

On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 09:08:12PM +0000, alice@atd.crane.navy.mil wrote:
> Recommend to me the best set of manuals for working on a 
> mid'60s 2A 88?  Where can I buy them?
> I see that Haynes publishes a LR manual, but I find Haynes to be 
> lacking at times.  I read of a "green book" mentioned once.  What
> is this manual? 

The "Green Book" is the original LR factory shop manual.  Has drawings
that look like they're from the 50's.  But for someone as mechanically
inexperienced as me, they seem to work great.  I think some US LR
sales places sell them for over $100.  I bought mine when I was in the
UK for about $30 or so (I thought it was that cheap...it's been so
long, but it was way less than I saw it advertised over here for -- as
are most things LR related).

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From: andy Smith <andy@bobstar.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:48:03 +0100
Subject: Re: Manual Recommendation?

In message <bulk.13278.19981002064418@Land-Rover.Team.Net>,
alice@atd.crane.navy.mil writes

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From: Jeff Goldman <roverboy@gis.net>
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 17:21:29 -0400
Subject: Steering Damper on late SIIA?

  Stupidly, I've forgotten how the steering damper and associated brackets
mount to my late 1971 SIIA (LHD). It has been awhile since I removed the
assembly. This is the damper and bracket type that mount between the track
rod with a small plate and u-bolts, and the front axle housing with a large
plate and u-bolts. It seems it would be easy enough to figure out, but
every immediately obvious method results in the damper being angled between
the brackets in a manner that stresses the damper bushes. Perhaps that's
the answer, and I just have the damper nuts tightened down too much on the
bushes. Can anyone give me a clue? Thanks!

Jeff G.
Boston, MA

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:43:37 EDT
Subject: Kamel Lyte Trophee? Not!

Saw this on the net a while back, and I was just curious if anyone knew wnyone
else who signed up for it? I've got my own opinions of the event, and they
aren't too positive right now. I mean, $295 to get in, and there isn't even a
charitable organization to benefit or anything, nor any prize money, but
that's just an initial opinion. And what do canoes have to do with offroading
all of a sudden?? It seems that MTV-style events are popping up as impostors
to the true events. We should do something about this trend, if only to
preserve the dignity of square rovers. Anyway, see for y'self...

<A HREF="http://home.tampabay.rr.com/roverworld/rovertrophy.htm">Click here:
Rover Trophy 1999</A>//http://home.tampabay.rr.com/roverworld/rovertrophy.htm 

(On a related note, did anyone from this list participate in that LROA Desert
Rat event or whatever it ended up being called, the one in nevada that raised
a gun thread on the list when someone saw they couldn't take one... or know of
anyone who did it?) 

I'm just really curious as to what these events are all about and how, if at
all, the benefit the local rover communities where they are held. I can't
figure out how this guy in FL gets off charging 295, and sells space on your
vehicle for sponsors, and all you get is (maybe) a dinky trophy; and it is run
on free, public land at that. Oh well, maybe I'm just missing something. I
asked members of the Florida Land Rover Club if they knew anything about it
and so far the club hasn't been asked to participate, help or whatnot (and the
guy putting it on is a member of that club)

Oh well, time to go float in the atlantic. Pissing up-current of the tourists
may get some of the week's stress out. ;-)

--pat.

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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 04:45:56 -0700
Subject: Re: xfer gearing

>I have heard that the ser 2 transfer case(I hope) or tranny is geared
>lower than the 2A type. Can the gears be swapped into the 2A case? I
>would like a lower low range, which is why I'm asking. I don't want to
>affect anything other than low range except maybe 1st gear since I don't
>use it much. Thanks
You've been talking to Mitch Stockdale again haven't you??  Yes, it's all
true, the II transfer case has the "working gear" or lower low range.
Often you'll find a nice red Series II parked in his drive that you are
welcome to use for parts.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
				Dennis Miller

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:05:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Desert Pro Challenge /Re: Kamel Lyte Trophee? Not!

At 05:43 PM 10/2/98 EDT, "--pat" <SPYDERS@aol.com> in Florida wrote:
>On a related note, did anyone from this list participate in that LROA Desert
>[Pro Challenge], the one in nevada ... or know of anyone who did it? 

 Me and my wife entered our 1989 Range Rover in the Desert Pro Challenge
 and had a BLAST!!! ;)  In fact, everyone who went had a great time.  We
 spent 12 hours on Friday in our 2 Rover team chasing waypoints way into
 the night, armed with a GPS, DeLorme, CB, and our wits.  On Saturday we
 convoyed to an area to perform special driving tasks and physical tasks,
 later trail riding up a barely passable canyon and over a mountain range.
 In the afternoon and evening we spent another 12 hour session finding
 GPS points, except this time it started snowing, adding more challenge.
 On Sunday the points were added up and we had an awards brunch, then
 headed home still charged with adrenalin.  Photos of the event were later
 published on the front and back cover of the Spring '98 Aluminum Workhorse.

>I'm just really curious as to what these events are all about and how, if
>at all, the benefit the local rover communities where they are held.

 I don't recall an obligation to 'benefit the local rover communities'
 when off-roading.  The event not only broke even, but made a few hundred
 dollars for the association, LROA.  Members who went enjoyed themselves
 and were able to use their vehicles and equipment to the fullest.

 This year the Nevada Trophy '98 will be held December 4-6 in and around
 Fernley, Nevada.  Entry fee is $225 again.  For an application please
 contact event co-ordinator Mike Green <racerman21@yahoo.com> at
 925-606-8301 or fax 925-606-8302.  Info on last years event is still at
 www.landrover.net/desertpro  Info on this year's event will be posted
 soon to  www.landrover.net/nevadatrophy

-Michael Carradine
 President LROA

 Tel/Fax +1 925-988-0900

 LROA Member Services          The Land Rover Owners' Association (LROA)
 PO Box 430                North America's oldest and largest Land Rover
 Walnut Creek CA 94597                association with over 1000 members
 www.landrover.net/LROA                            Annual dues still $20

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From: HANSON PAUL <HANSONPA@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us>
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 19:49:57 -0500
Subject: Series 2a on "Motor Week"

Greetings all! 
	My '67 Ser 2A Diesel will be the featured "Car of the Week" on  
PBS' Motor Week!  It will air on the week of October 10th but you'll 
have to check for local times and/or dates.  The program number is 1805. 
 ENJOY!!!!
	Paul Hanson

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:37:59 EDT
Subject: Re: Desert Pro Challenge /Re: Kamel Lyte Trophee? Not!

In a message dated 10/2/98 6:06:29 PM SA Pacific Standard Time,
cs@landrover.net replied to my curiosity:

<< >I'm just really curious as to what these events are all about and how, if
 >at all, the benefit the local rover communities where they are held.

  I don't recall an obligation to 'benefit the local rover communities'
  when off-roading.  The event not only broke even, but made a few hundred
  dollars for the association, LROA.  Members who went enjoyed themselves
  and were able to use their vehicles and equipment to the fullest. >>

No, there is absolutely no obligation, you are 100% correct (but at the same
time, you are so, so wrong...). It is just that some are givers and some are
takers, and it is nice to give a bit of whatever you get from somewhere, back
to the people of that place. it is just *good karma*, dude. (I hate to start
sh*t again, but I *gave* $20 to some organization that more or less just
*took* it from me)

Then there's the issue of some destroying it for others. What happens when 20
out-of-town LAND ROVERS go into a forest and tear it up for the sake of a
competition?  Then the next month, this old chap who's lived there forever
goes into the forest in his 88, and is the subject of all the negativity the
locals suddenly feel towards LAND ROVERS because some hyped up people just did
all they could to win an event; he had nothing to do with the event, etc.?
Again,it isn't a tangible, it is just the feeling of the whole thing. 

Anyway, this is pointless.(My going on about this.) Please let's not go on and
on about intangible niceness.  One either gets it or they don't. If i was
asking people for that much money, and selling space on their vehicles, I
would at least give a portion of it to those who really need it. (Not your
event, which as you pointed out, is under no obligation to benefit anyone
beyond the paddock or parc ferme) Giving a portion of proceeds (whether to a
charity, as prizes or as something to help the local club afford freakin
portapotties at their next rally) lessens the feeling that it is purely a
money making venture for the organizers. It is always nice to be invited back
to someone's back yard, even if some contestants may have been a little too
eager to win or a little too lazy to winch rather than dig ruts?

(Unfortnately for myself, I will never be able to separate the people who run
LROA from anything that organization does, and even though i honestly respect
you as an individual, having no reason not to, I believe there are too many
pinheads over there, and since they aren't under any obligation to give or
whatever, it seems like they don't.)

Y'know, I don't have the money to hop up my only rover to compete in these pro
events, but even if I did, and I won, (heaven forbid, in a stock LWB), I would
be generous to those who allowed me the opportunity to compete in their back
yard.

--pat "still trying to be nice, despite myself" parsons
pinhead-at-large

ps: congratulations on doing better than breaking even, it shows that the
event was well planned, well organized and a success. hopefully more ventures
will be as successful and still have something to benefit others.

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From: "Clayton Kirkwood" <kirkwood@garlic.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 19:17:18 -0700
Subject: RE: bolt/stud extractor tips

The several times that I have used one of the reverse spiral
extractors, metal in metal and well stuck, they have worked fine. I
got mine at a Harbor Freight store I think. Make sure that you use the
largest extractor reasonable. If you go to large, the extractor may
just bend the thin metal left. If you go to small, the extractor will
probably be to weak and you will be more likely to break the
extractor.

YMMV,

Clayton Kirkwood
(916) 663-2368
kirkwood@garlic.com

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From: "Rob Dennis" <robd@unitedparking.com>
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 04:10:20 -0400
Subject: RE: GeoCoords for Penlan Farm

Let me guess, you live on Lawrence Cove outside Kilmarnock :)

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From: "Franklin H. Yap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:32:02 -0700
Subject: Re: bolt/stud extractor tips

NADdMD@aol.com wrote:

> Correct.  (In my pathetic experience).  The spiral ones have only worked for
> me in the setting of a screw broken off in wood.  Never in metal in metal.

When I broke a stud in my transfer box, I couldn't get the spiral to work.  I
used a dremel with carbide point and drilled with a steel bit to carve out most
of the inner part of stud.  Although I was afraid I would destroy the threads,
after the getting out most of the inner part of the stud, then the spirl worked
to bring it out cleanly.

Frank

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