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From: Lorri Paustian <lorri@sound.net>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 04:10:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Grill badges

Put me down for two as well.
At 09:19 PM 9/30/98, you wrote:
>OK, I think I have room for at least one more. So, put me down please (for
>a grill badge!) 8^0.
>Jim Wolf

Lorri Paustian, Flatland Rover Society
Lenexa, Kansas
'95 Coniston Green D90 SW
'95 Arles Blue D90 SW
'93 D110

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:06:58 EDT
Subject: Re:  Looking for a 109 and 88

In a message dated 10/1/98 12:38:51 AM, you wrote:

<<I regularly read the coiler list and I've become interested in getting a
leafer now. >>

That's what CSO/RRO will do to you... 

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:19:36 EDT
Subject: Re: Americans love of guns (Kill this thread too)

In a message dated 10/1/98 4:09:24 AM, you wrote:

<<As for the SCUD launcher: if the new owner has a class 3 firearms permit, he
can own just about anything he wants, like it or not. I don't know exactly how
they'd de-activate a SCUD launcher, except by removing all the control panels,
but the thing is useless without the missles anyway! (I don't see the BATF
cutting a SCUD launcher in half!) However, I don't think that the owner will
ever get hold of the missles themselves, so really - what's the big deal?
Insurance is insurance, no matter what is involved in an accident.>>

Yeah but re-read Karen's posting, specifically this part:

 <<a shipment of Land Rovers and Jaguars was received
along with - a functional SCUD missile and launcher. It was shipped out from
England for a military enthusiast in California, but the guidance system and
engine were not disabled as required by law.>>

Operative words here being *functional SCUD missile and launcher* You wouldn't
exactly appreciate it if it landed on your newly installed tranny, now, would
you? But then it would make for one hell of an insurance claim, wouldn't it?
Damage is damage...

Not to get into it with you, or anyone else, because I do believe in the right
to ownership of everything dangerous under the sun, including a wife
(hahahaha! But the Iraqis on the list say, "What's wrong with that?!"), but I
also believe in the Greater Good, and the Big Picture, and common sense.
*functional SCUD missile and launcher* fits in with none of that, IMHO. yadda
yadda yadda...

Dare i say it? Yes. The owner is probably feeling inadequate, genitally. Enzo
can talk to him (You said it enzo...) about that.

--pat.

ps: Y'all better know me by now and realize my toung is firmly lodged in my
cheek.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:24:24 EDT
Subject: Re: Sometimes I'm just blown away (marginal LR)

How right you are. Damn that media. Seriously, though, that is a good point,
and I return home to a place on that list at least 3 times a year, and I know
exactly what you mean. Some don't have the luxury of living "virtually"...

<<Well my dear, there's still problems in:

Somalia
North Korea
Peru
Honduras
Nicuragua
Nigeria
Congo
Cambodia
Afghanistan
Algeria
Bosnia
Iraq
Iran
Middle East
Phillipines
Haiti>>

DC, beyond the Mall
Miami
Parts of LA
East St. Louis
Boston, yes the whole poseur place can go ;-)
etc., etc.

.02

--pat.

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From: "Axel HAAKONSEN"<axel_haakonsen@hsbcsecuritiesinc.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 08:56:47 -0500
Subject: Re:  Sometimes I'm just blown away (marginal LR)

Well said, TeriAnn.  These are amazing times.  I moved to the US from Norway in
1984, back then my mother used to send me newspaper clippings to let me know
what was happening back there.  Now, with a few clicks of my mouse, I can read
the latest edition of my hometowns local paper.  (Tønsbergs Blad for you fellow
Norwegians who may wonder which one), and I can even listen to Norwegian radio
broadcasts in stereo live through realaudio 30 seconds after it goes on the air
back in Oslo.  Amazing when you think about it.
What is the URL for that waterhole camera?  I'd like to take a look, too, it
will give me a little break from the urban jungle here in NYC.

Axel Haakonsen
97 Disco

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 98 06:45:42 -0700
Subject: Re: two new email lists, 101 FC and Ibex

>Two new lists...
;
<SNIP>
;>For the Ibex fans,
;>http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Ibex

John, since the new IBEX is based upon a Ford drive train, you might also 
want to advertise this list on Ford 4X4 lists, esp any Ford Explorer 
lists since I believe that is the donor car for the drive train.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "David Hope" <davidjhope@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:46:02 -0500
Subject: Overdrives, Ashcroft Conversion's alternative

Rovers North confirmed that their next batch of overdrives will cost $1,250
each - because they are getting them from 'alternative' sources.

What about the Ashcroft solution - using their kit to change the high ratio
gearing in the transfer box.  Does anyone have any experience of this, and
is it easy to install?  At a cost of about 350GBP exchange it sounds like a
good idea, even allowing for shipping to the US

David Hope
64llA

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:51:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Looking for a 109 and 88

Ed wrote:

>I like to get my hands dirty and a restored Rover=$$$$$.

	You will get your hands dirty, but don't expect to get rich.  They
will rarely sell for more than 15k, if that.  There are exceptions, but
those usually depend on the buyer.
	For the majority of us here, we're in it because of what the Land
Rover is;  rugged transport that is not disposable, which can be fairly
reliable, elegantly simple, and can be soo functional it will (literally)
hurt (Ouch!!).  They are also slow, leak oil out, leak water in, along with
being drafty.  People do do modificaions to cure some of these ills, some
prefer to keep it relatively stock.  You will go batty trying to fix all
the oil leaks.  If it ain't leaking, it's empty!
	Look at several, and drive as many as you can, keep talking to us
here and asking questions.  Don't rush out and just buy the first one you
see!  You can pretty much get any part you need via mail order or asking on
the list.  Do a search for Land Rover on the web, there is lots of great
informative material out there.

Cheers - Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: alice@atd.crane.navy.mil
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:19:41 +0000
Subject: 109 PU s2 Questions

Folks,
Just last evening looked at a '59 109 series 2 PU for sale.
Frame OK, needs extensive body work.  A couple of Q's:

This vehicle had steering arms mounted on top of the swivel 
ball housings.  Pros and cons?    

I was told the water pump was different for thie 2.25 litre than 
for later 2A 2.25 litre engines?  Interchangeable?

$7500 seems like a lot for this non-driving vehicle?  Are 109 
PUs rare enough to justify a premium price?

Transmission suffix codes.  What is latest 2A suffix?  Can this be 
extracted from the vehicle SerNo?

Appreciate comments regarding quality of 2 vs 2A vehicles ...have 
been told series 2 used thicker materials, higher quality than 2A. 

Mark 

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:56:41 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: two new email lists, 101 FC and Ibex

In a message dated 10/1/98 9:44:41 AM, TW wrote:

<<>Two new lists...
;
<SNIP>
;>For the Ibex fans,
;>http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Ibex

John, since the new IBEX is based upon a Ford drive train, you might also 
want to advertise this list on Ford 4X4 lists, esp any Ford Explorer 
lists since I believe that is the donor car for the drive train.>>

What! Ack! Gag! Choke! The little I found appealing about an IBEX is
diminishing. Ok, so I thought they looked Kit-car-ish, but their LR ties and
off-road abilities forgave a lot. The Fords are decent enough for A-B stuff,
but there just is no excitement, well, maybe in a wet panic stop, but I have
no respect for them, never had, either. I remember when they appeared as re-
bodied pick ups, and slid from there.

What does IBEX do to get around the Ford leaf springs in the rear? Hey, half
of it belongs on this list...

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:00:36 EDT
Subject: Re:  Overdrives, Ashcroft Conversion's alternative

In a message dated 10/1/98 9:47:29 AM, you wrote:

<<Rovers North confirmed that their next batch of overdrives will cost $1,250
each - because they are getting them from 'alternative' sources.>>

Yeah, there are some in Swiss Bank Vaults, only reluctantly parted with. RN
sure understands S&D curves... Hell, maybe I'll buy a few as "investments" and
dangle over the LR community. Maybe a blood & tears auction in the near
future... Curious to see what the "batch after that" costs.

<<What about the Ashcroft solution - using their kit to change the high ratio
gearing in the transfer box.  Does anyone have any experience of this, and
is it easy to install?  At a cost of about 350GBP exchange it sounds like a
good idea, even allowing for shipping to the US>>

I have had to e-mail them, specifically David (who used to be on the list).
They are prompt and up-front about their replies and their products. I haven't
had to buy anything yet, but they sound like good decent people.

YMMV

--pat

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From: "Chris Dillard" <cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:05:32 -0400
Subject: Re: 109 PU s2 Questions

$7500 sounds like a little too much for a non running 59 ser2. I would
definately go for lower $$. Parts are not hard to come by for the ser2
though. I just picked up 2 56 ser1's for $2500 (non running) but in good
condidtion mechanically and bodily.

Christopher Dillard           Ahold USA (BI-LO Inc)
95 Discovery V8i (Rusty II)        cdillard@aholdusa.com
55 Series I    (???)                     Greenville, SC USA
55 Series I (The Green Hornet)
SoLaRos #136
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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:20:55 -0700
Subject: diff noise

Subject: Re: Differential Frustration, and speedo too

>Subject: Re: Differential Frustration, and speedo too
>Kirk Hillman wrote:
>>  I pulled it to replace the nifty side
>> gear that had two few teeth to work properly  :-(  A friend and I did
>> this, replacing only the single side gear. 
>>.
> Did you replace the thrust washer under the gear. The two larger gears
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 14 lines)]
>gear could have taken a bit off the two other smaller gears.
>Con Seitl
Hi,
The little spider gears should only turn when you are going around a turn
and the axles are turning at different speeds. So I doubt if they are
making the noise.
More likely, since you had to disassemble the ring gear to replace the
spider, the backlash is now set differently. The Ring and pinion gears have
a pattern worn in from where they have been, and now they are in a
different place.
I've taken a diff or two apart and when reassembling them, set the ring
gear to pinion to the proper clearance and they were a bit noisy while
driving.
I think next time I will set the clearance to as close as it was before
taking it apart and hope for the best.

Bob Bernard

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:15:48 EDT
Subject: Re: Sometimes I'm just blown away (marginal LR)

In a message dated 10/1/98 6:29:16 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
axel_haakonsen@hsbcsecuritiesinc.com writes:

<< What is the URL for that waterhole camera?  I'd like to take a look, too,
it
 will give me a little break from the urban jungle here in NYC. >>

It starts at http://www.africam.mweb.co.za/

There are two cameras.  One is at a waterhole and the other is a mobile one
that they move around as opportunities are presented.  Yesterday, they shows
the sunset which was beautiful.  Imagine, sitting in Arizona watching the sun
rising in the sky and seeing it set in Africa.

It's a hit and miss proposistion.  As with systems like this, there tend to be
problems either with the technology or no animals to see.  But keep looking!

Gerry Elam
PHX AZ

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From: "ERIK BARR" <019542b@relay.acadiau.ca>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:27:24 +0400
Subject: coil testing and Lumenition

Hi all,
I just adjusted the valves in my 2.6l dormobile and when I got it all 
back together it would not start. I checked and am not getting any 
spark. I did have the distributor out and the lead off the coil. 
Could someone please explain if their is a way to test the coil.  I 
took the centre lead off the distributor and checked for a spark 
between it and a ground and their is nothing.  
TARDIS has a Lumenition system so I am not sure how to trouble 
shoot the problem.  The coil has 2 low voltage wires running to it 
which are both reading 12 volts with the key on.  One wire comes 
from the fuse box and one from the Lumenition unit. The fuse box 
wire is on one side of the coil and the Lumenition wire is on the 
other side. I assume the wire from the fuse box would have 
originally been from the ignition switch and is the power feed? That 
wire is very old and I plan replace it next. What purpose does the 
wire from the Lumenition unit have?  Any advice would be greatly 
appreciated.
If you wouldn't mind please reply to 
019542b@acadiau.ca 
as I am on the digest and would like to get this sorted out.
Thanks in advance,
Erik

Erik Barr
Department of Psychology, Wolfville, NS, B0P 1X0            
(902) 542-2201x1490      Fax 542-3323 

RR#1 Wolfville, NS, B0P 1X0, (902)542-0194

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From: John <john109@geocities.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:56:28 -0700
Subject: Furd 4x4

Oooooooowwww...Ford 4x4 list...Owwwww...stabbed in the back by TW....et tu
Pat?  :)

All I can say is whatcha doin frequenting the Furd4x4 list TW?

And just how many leaf springs you got in your rover PP?

Let's just say that Ibex vehicles based on LR parts FAR outnumber Furd ones...

Guess I should advert the Flealander (tm) list on the BMW sites eh?
Cosponsor activities with the Rav4 club?

:)

John109...who is building his ibex with his own 2 hands and a pile of parts
from a D90 Tdi Tdi Tdi that followed him home...

>From: SPYDERS@aol.com
>Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:56:41 EDT
>Subject: Re:  Re: two new email lists, 101 FC and Ibex

>In a message dated 10/1/98 9:44:41 AM, TW wrote:

><<>Two new lists...
>;
><SNIP>
>;>For the Ibex fans,
>;>http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Ibex

>John, since the new IBEX is based upon a Ford drive train, you might also 
>want to advertise this list on Ford 4X4 lists, esp any Ford Explorer 
>lists since I believe that is the donor car for the drive train.>>

>What! Ack! Gag! Choke! The little I found appealing about an IBEX is
>diminishing. Ok, so I thought they looked Kit-car-ish, but their LR ties and
>off-road abilities forgave a lot. The Fords are decent enough for A-B stuff,
>but there just is no excitement, well, maybe in a wet panic stop, but I have
>no respect for them, never had, either. I remember when they appeared as re-
>bodied pick ups, and slid from there.

>What does IBEX do to get around the Ford leaf springs in the rear? Hey, half
>of it belongs on this list...

>--pat.

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:58:20 -0500
Subject: RE: Ethnic Jokes

>>When do the Italian jokes start?
>Luis wrote:
>>Right after the lawyer jokes finish.
>Aahhh!.  So the Italian jokes never get a chance to start?

Sad to say it, but your probably right.

Ok, ok, ok, as I told you before, lawyer jokes don't bother me. To
demonstrate this I will give you all this address:

http://cartalk.cars.com/About/Lawyers/

Go ahead, laugh at my expense.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Kirk Hillman <khillman@rttinc.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:02:41 -0700
Subject: Diffs and speedos

Thanks all, for the input.  I don't know what the problem is yet, but I
will work on it some more before I do any real trips.
    Paul I like the idea, "Banshee".  I will definitely think about it.
And you thought you were joking, ha.  ;-)

Kirk

--
"Faith without works is dead."

Maranatha, selah.

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:10:03 EDT
Subject: Re: Overdrives, Ashcroft Conversion's alternative

In a message dated 10/1/98 6:47:29 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
davidjhope@email.msn.com writes:

<< Does anyone have any experience of this, and
 is it easy to install?  At a cost of about 350GBP exchange it sounds like a
 good idea, even allowing for shipping to the US >>

I been looking at this as an alternative for several months now.  This is for
a Dormobile.

I finally decided to listen to one of the vendors who said it wouldn't be good
for a US application.  Too many hill and mountains that the UK doesn't
generally experience.

Look at it this way.  You know how (relatively speaking of course) gutless a
2.25 is at the top end?  Imagine trying to maintain speed (60 mph) with a
headwind with a motor that isn't exactly revered for top end power?

Other opinions are certainly needed but I think I'll try the high compression
ACR Stage II head, SU carb and hope the engine holds together for a few year
so I can save to replace it with something else down the road.  (Iron Duke, 5
speed LR transmission?) 

Gerry Elam
PHX AZ

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:08:58 -0700
Subject: paint codes - chips

Does anyone know where there is a site that I can look at paint chips -
rather than just codes?

I searched the big manufactures and all I got was their PR stuff.

Thank You.

Cheers
David
Full-time father of a 3.7 year old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:16:36 EDT
Subject: Re:  Furd 4x4

In a message dated 10/1/98 11:01:17 AM, you wrote:

<<John109>>

That you, John Hong?

You ought to know how many l-springs there are under a 110... or do I need to
drive over you? hahaha.

My comments re: Furd (kinda rhymes with T*rd, now doesn't it?) still stand.
Why even bother basing an Ibex on an explorer? Really. I can see the
improvements in offroad ability on the LR based one, but a Ford? C'mon
someone's trying to fool us.

Oh well, looks like it is time for the Nomex Suit and Welding Goggles again...

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:21:13 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Overdrives, Ashcroft Conversion's alternative

In a message dated 10/1/98 11:12:09 AM, you wrote:

<<Other opinions are certainly needed but I think I'll try the high
compression
ACR Stage II head, SU carb and hope the engine holds together for a few year
so I can save to replace it with something else down the road.  (Iron Duke, 5
speed LR transmission?)>>

At the risk of drawing more fire...

Why not put the 5-speed and 4x4 x-fer case in now? Then decide on an engine
later?

Just curious.

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:25:29 EDT
Subject: Re:  paint codes - chips

In a message dated 10/1/98 11:20:07 AM, you wrote:

<<Does anyone know where there is a site that I can look at paint chips -
rather than just codes?>>

Try Dora's (ben smith's 88) bumper. Rumored to even have foreign/import paint
chips on there... ;-)

Paint chips on the net are generally considered a no-no for paint companies as
monitors and video cards tend to make a real puke-mess of them, especially you
intel'd folks (hehehe, I really will draw fire today).

--pat.

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From: "Wilson, Scott" <wilsons@msmail.vislab.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:30 -0500
Subject: RE: paint codes - chips

You can't really find chip charts on the internet... monitors differ too   
much
from one to the other. There's a Java Applet at Pittsburgh Paints (I   
forget
the URL at the moment) that is a chip chart that tries to adjust for your
personal gammas, tinges, and bad eyesight... You really have to just
call up the manufacturer and ask for some chip charts "around" the color
you are looking for and then decide... Ultimately, the way that I'll   
order
paints is by Pantone Process color codes... anyone you know who does
commercial art should have a few pantone books, and the matching
system is universal.

 -Scott  

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 98 11:26:54 -0500
Subject: Re: 109 PU s2 Questions 

>This vehicle had steering arms mounted on top of the swivel 
>ball housings.  Pros and cons?    

i've heard the earlier set up is not as durable, but I wouldn't let that affect 
the price or my willingness to buy the vehicle. This part is easily checked for 
wear and the proper replacement parts are fairly easy to fit, and readily 
available off any junker.

>I was told the water pump was different for thie 2.25 litre than 
>for later 2A 2.25 litre engines?  Interchangeable?

you need a late style timing chain cover to convert. Again available for 
peanuts off a junked motor. waterpump varies in price, get one rebuilt if you 
can.

>$7500 seems like a lot for this non-driving vehicle?  Are 109 
>PUs rare enough to justify a premium price?

s2 indeed has some nice features. any "better" parts from later models will 
bolt straight up anyway.

later
daveb

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:33:47 EDT
Subject: Re: Overdrives, Ashcroft Conversion's alternative

In a message dated 10/1/98 8:23:42 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
SPYDERS@aol.com writes:

<< Why not put the 5-speed and 4x4 x-fer case in now? Then decide on an engine
 later? >>

The present setup seems to be in excellent shape.  The engine has good
compression too.  I can *borrow* an O/D from my SIIA SW also.

Bottom line:   I'm too damn cheap to throw away mechanics that don't need
replacing.... yet.  I'll do the new head only because the expense isn't that
great.  Figure up the cost of a new/rebuilt 5-speed/x-fer case and you'll
agree.  I just won't spend that amount of money yet.

Of course if the old engine blows because of the new 9:1 head, I am back at
square one.  (DW:  don't say anything!  :-)           )

RE David Ashcroft and your comments:  I agree.  Very upfront, very
knowledgeable, etc.  I just don't think the x-fer case upgrade is suitable for
my needs in the US.

Kind regards,
Gerry Elam
PHX AZ

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:53:12 EDT
Subject: Re: Overdrives, Ashcroft Conversion's alternative

In a message dated 10/1/98 11:37:07 AM, Gerry Elam wrote:

<<RE David Ashcroft and your comments:  I agree.  Very upfront, very
knowledgeable, etc.  I just don't think the x-fer case upgrade is suitable for
my needs in the US.>>

Yeah, I know what you mean. What's their tallest hill, like 3000 feet or
something? A Colorado Pimple is what it would be known as here...

Their x-fer case with lower low ratio is what intrigues me. And then now they
have an "underdrive" $$$$ that tops out at 9mph in 5th! Oh my god, it'll take
all freakin day to get there... 3200 rpm in 5th, and you're barely hitting
8mph!

Your points are well taken. I heartily endorse the don't change it till you
need it principle. A certain creekbed at GP told me I need to change my
sills... a big tree in N. FL told me about my bent bumper... and my bank acc't
told me to wait.

--pat

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 98 12:00:42 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: Sometimes I'm just blown away (marginal LR) TW

> It's early dawn here.  I sit in front of my 350 MHz Power Mac dressed in 
> a warm flannel night gown sipping my first cup of tea.  The computer
> table is in front of the window so I occasionally glance out at two deer 
> in the front yard who are eating fallen acorns by the Land Rover.

kind of wierdly incongruous in a way, more just in the way it is written. Its 
like: 

"It's 3am, and I'm armed to the teeth. The Acid rain is black as the night and 
coming down in sheets. I'm blasting down the narrow urban slot-canyon in my 
long-range, high-speed, expedition- equipped, flying Rocket Rover; hot bullets 
are pinging left and right as they are absorbed into the "Smart-Sheild"(TM)  
Birmabright Aluminum alloy skin of my vehicle. Even at these blinding speeds 
(Mac reference), dressed in a 19th century lace frock and soaking in the 
buttery sweet smell of morning biscuits emanating from the aroma-disc-changer, 
I can still spot -through the fogged (herbal tea) lenses of my flight specs- a 
patch of freshly bloomed daisies from the cockpit window..."

>You are extremely lucky to live in that environment.

wish we could say the same for the deer.

>  Is your job close enough for you to drive, or do you have a long commute 
>which forces you to take the train?

i will let TeA respond to this question.

> I have a web window open in the background that is giving me a 30 second 
> update of a water hole in the Djuma Game Reserve in South Africa.  I 
>have become addicted to watching African game almost real time almost 
>half a

hmmm...better than TV I guess.

later
Daveb

all contents copyright 1998 david r bobeck.
may not be used without permission of the author

>I am sure images of driving the Dormobile (LR content) on an expedition 
>come to mind.  :-)

not anymore. now she is going to want it to fly...

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:15:51 EDT
Subject: Re: New face

In a message dated 29/09/98 23:18:36 BST, you write:

<< Hey bring the sawdust for the pub floor all we need now is a spitoon!.
 Do you remember those Frank?. :).
  >>
still had 'em around here until recently.
sawdust was easy, it was what was left of the furniture after the previous
nights fight (sorry, old joke)

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:15:46 EDT
Subject: Re: that lro logo

In a message dated 29/09/98 23:33:48 BST, you write:

<< Yeah, I'll vote for a IIa 88 and a 110.  >>
me too

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:15:55 EDT
Subject: Re: Badges and Foriegn objects in Electronics

In a message dated 30/09/98 06:21:12 BST, you write:

<< (I worked on the F-111-side >>

Art,
I just love the idea of a guy who can fix the elctronics on one of the most
sophisticated "vehicles" of its time driving around in a Ser11...
I think that says so much about the charm of a Land Rover...

nice one!

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:16:02 EDT
Subject: Re: Badge design[multipart mime alternative 5 lines deleted.]

In a message dated 30/09/98 13:28:15 BST, you write:

 Question: Is this badge intended for the leaf sprung list crowd only or
 both (all) lists.
 
 Thought: The things that are common to all Rover owners are 
 	1. Strong sense of community and shared experience
 	2. The Logo (Oval-Land Rover thingiee)
 	3. Oil Leaks
 
 My preference is something that incorporates these feelings. I like the
 pub idea. 
 Though "The Oily Beast" sounds like some cross between a horror movie
 and a porn flick. 
  >>
Isn't this thread getting more and more ravelled (sp?) up? 
If I remember correctly, Adrian Redmond came up with a beautiful screed that
being on the list (can't remember which so let's just assume all of them) is
like being in a pub.
So the thought spread that we should have a pub sign.
We then had goes at names and "The Bloody Knuckles" won.
Someone (TeriAnn) suggested the list logo instead, but I was under the
impression that was voted out...

In my personal view, we are looking at a grille badge showing the Bloody
Knuckles pub and the net URL. I don't know, and don't care, if the design will
show actually knuckles dripping blood, different model Land Rovers, or just
the name...

Tghos of us who have been involved will recognise the grille badge, those who
don't will ask and we will all have a fun time explaining what it means.

Now, if there is a second thread discussing the list logos, fine - just don't
mix it up with the pub badge subject - OK?

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Paul Schulze <PSchulze@mercury.niaid.nih.gov>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:21:21 -0400 
Subject: Wanted: 1979-1985 Land Rover 'Stage 1' body & suspension drive tr

I'm interested in obtaining a 1979-1985 Land Rover 'Stage 1' body with
suspension.

I plan to use another drive train in the vehicle (a bit more modern of a
unit, and not a Land Rover one).  Anyone with info re engine & Transmission
mount mod's available commercially, please fill me in.

Let me know condition of body/suspension.

Thanks in advance.

Needless to say this is a long-term project.

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:30:50 -0400
Subject: Re: 109 PU s2 Questions

Rovers North is advertising ex-mil 109 pickups on their website for $8500 
with canvas tilt. $7500 for a basket case seems quite ridiculous.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:32:51 -0400
Subject: Re: New face

Re: Spittoons:

Whaddya need one of those for if you have an 88 handy?   8*)

          aj"HAAAWK - PHTOOIE!"r

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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:37:34 EDT
Subject: Re: New face

In a message dated 98-10-01 12:36:32 EDT, you write:

 Re: Spittoons:
 
 Whaddya need one of those for if you have an 88 handy?   8*) >>

     Drip Pan?

Enzo

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:47:07 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Badge design[multipart mime alternative 5 lines deleted.]

In a message dated 10/1/98 12:20:19 PM, you wrote:

<<If I remember correctly, Adrian Redmond came up with a beautiful screed that
being on the list (can't remember which so let's just assume all of them) is
like being in a pub.>>

No, no, no, not all of them. This one. This list is the pub...

The other is more akin to a Boston Starbucks than anything... "The Grande-
Mochalattechino cups aren't secure in my rear cupholders..."

;-)

And if any of you x-post my comment, i'll just have to redirect the replies to
your server. haha

--pat.

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From: Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:58:29 -0700
Subject: Re: coil testing and Lumenition

EVERYTIME This ever happened to me I either forgot to replace the rotor or
knocked the hot lead off of the coil.  Just go through everything
systematically.  Check for spark with your timing light if you have one or
pull the cable off of the plug enought that it will spark on cranking.  

Immutable rule: If you monkeyed with it and it quit working, check
everything you touched and you will find.

At 11:27 AM 10/1/98 +0400, you wrote:

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:06:04 EDT
Subject: Limited Slip vs Locking diff revisited

Hi all,

I spoke with the local GM guy about the locking diff in my pick-up.  Ben is
correct about the old positrac--limited slip diffs with clutch mechanisms
engaged by a spring mechanism.  Under extremes (spinning on ice), the diff may
fail to engage.

In the new Chevy locking diff (called a "corporate design") it too has clutch
packs in it as the method of delivering torque, however, there is a mechanical
engaging mechanism (not exactly a pin but not spring activated either) which
prevents the problem seen in the positrac system.  It is in essence a locking
diff which uses a clutch type mechanism to engage.  As evidence to this, he
described an event involving a Chevy employee (now EX-employee) who took out
one of the pickups and was aggressively driving it in the snow/ice.  When the
wheels locked together, the one side dug away the snow and hit solid pavement
(the other still on ice) and the truck immediately lurched foward and to the
side, crashing into a couple of parked new cars.  In addition to the body
damage, the sudden application of torque, broke something in the diff/rear
axle.--hence ex employee.

Nate

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From: alice@atd.crane.navy.mil
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:40:21 +0000
Subject: A Few S2A ISO Questions

Hello,
What do I look for in a series 2A 88?  Email direct if you have a lot 
to say or think list redundant.  Upper or lower steering arms --does 
it matter?  Gearbox suffix "C" good enuf (I want to avoid the 3 box)? 
 '65, '66, '67 all about equal?  When did the parking brake lever 
change?  What of the interior upgrade package I have read about?
(What is this and how will I know it?  I seek a basic utility 
vehicle.)  Was there a demarkation point from HT tailgate/liftgate 
to swinging full door style?  Mark    

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From: alice@atd.crane.navy.mil
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:45:06 +0000
Subject: 2A SerNo Locations

LRs,
Is the SerNo stamped (or supposed to be stamped) on a LR 2A frame?
Where do I look for it?  Is it the full (9 digit?) number, as stamped 
on the ID plate?  Is there anyplace else I should/could look on the 
vehicle for identifying numbers?  Is it possible to readily identify 
the gearbox suffix code (can I see it from underneath or through 
the center access panel)?   Mark

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:24:36 -0700
Subject: Re: Gearbox Oil

From: "P. Daub" <pdaub@namibnet.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 04:43:27 +0200
Subject: Gearbox Oil

>Could somebody please advice me, as to what gearbox oil is suitable for
the 
TDI 110 manual 5 speed gearbox. The book recommends ATF. This sounds 
incorrect.

If the Land Rover manual says to put ATF in it, then put ATF in it.
Manufacturers know what's supposed to go into their equipment; start
second guessing them and you'll often end up with big problems.  While
those of us with Series Land Rovers are used to putting hypoid gear oil
in everything but the engine, the newer generation of vehicles sometimes
use different fluids.  In my '91 Range Rover, the automatic transmission
obviously uses ATF (Dexron), but to my surprise when I went to service
it, so does the transfer case.  I would have thought it would use gear
oil, but there was ATF in it and the manual says to use ATF.  So I do.
The differentials and swivel balls still use gear oil, however.

Follow the manual's recommendations and you'll never get into trouble.
I don't know why ATF is used in manual gearboxes these days, but Land
Rover or the transmission manufacturer must have a good reason.  Given
the very different viscocities of gear oil and ATF, you could be letting
yourself in for problems if you put an unrecommended fluid into the
transmission, regardless of how much sense it might seem to make.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:26:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 109 PU s2 Questions

>$7500 for a basket case seems quite ridiculous.

Yes, I would agree - I paid 7.5k for my 'daily driver.'    ;   )
It only needed some 'minor' things.  I paid $650 for a non-running 88 HT.

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:27:19 EDT
Subject: Re: Americans love of SCUDS

In a message dated 98-10-01 09:22:04 EDT, you write:

<< <<a shipment of Land Rovers and Jaguars was received
 along with - a functional SCUD missile and launcher. It was shipped out from
 England for a military enthusiast in California, but the guidance system and
 engine were not disabled as required by law.>> >>

IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

H.M.C. would NEVER let anything like that leave the U.K., and they would have
gone apeshit (sorry) when they saw the paperwork! It's a typo in the
description...probably just the launch vehicle, but certainly not a live
missle as well.

ONLY WAY something like an active SCUD could possibly be imported, would be if
it were going to the Department of Defense/the NRC, or to one branch of the
military - in which case, all proper State Department/Defense Procurment forms
MUST BE IN ORDER, PRIOR TO IMPORTATION - ANY EXCEPTIONS, would undoubtedly be
brought in by military airlift, and we'd never be the wiser.

If there is a missle loaded onto the launch vehicle, then it is simply a dummy
fuselage (gutted out insides), which would be considered inert, though it
would look very "live" from the outside - in which case, there's no problem
with importation/not much in the way of permits required, and the launcher can
remain active - depending on which Customs inspector happens to be on duty.
Besides, if you want to get technical, you can build a guidance system out of
a handheld GPS...makes you wonder how many people out there have "toys" like
that, doesn't it? (teehee)

Trust me on this one - I helped to get a misplaced MIRV-6 warhead (inert, of
course) to the museum at Los Alamos, earlier this year: I know what's
involved.

On the other hand - I remember way back in 1977, when I was a young lad
working at Warbirds West, there were a couple of guys that bought two surplus
Convair B-36's out at Davis-Monthan, in Tuscon: everything was fine, until the
State Department got wind that they were restoring them to flying condition,
and they were quickly confiscated, and the remaining planes at D-M were
quickly destroyed! It seems that superpowers don't take a liking to private
parties having access to intercontinental nuclear-capable bombers.

But as I said earlier, if it did in fact have a  live missle loaded onto it,
and it was going to a private party, then somebody in the U.K. (who is now a
former government employee) is going to jail over this one.

Then on the other hand again, there's TONS of MiG-15's, 17's, 21's a few 25's
in this country that are privately owned and "fully functional", and nobody's
screaming about them. In fact, I was at the airshow at Edwards ladt year, and
some guy flew to the show in, and displayed his very own SAAB Viggen!

Charles

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:35:08 -0500
Subject: RE: Gearbox Oil

>I don't know why ATF is used in manual gearboxes these days, but Land
>Rover or the transmission manufacturer must have a good reason.  Given
>the very different viscocities of gear oil and ATF, you could be letting
>yourself in for problems if you put an unrecommended fluid into the
>transmission, regardless of how much sense it might seem to make.

I read somewhere, I think that on the CSO list, that the newer manual
transmissions dont rely on just the movement of the pinions two disperse the
oil all around, as the traditional gearboxes. They have some kind of pumping
mecanism that keeps the oil moving around. If you put traditional 90wt in it
you are going to jamm it and probably need a new one on the short term.
(Also read about one case of those).

So if the manual says ATF, then you got the newer kind of gearbox and ATF
will it be.

Follow the MANUEL, oh, sorry, I meant the MANUAL.

:-)

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:27:48
Subject: Re: 109 PU s2 Questions

	Run away from this piece of junk.  $7,500 is way too high for a series
that is in poor, not good condition.  The Steering arms were moved to the
bottom on later series trucks, don't think in makes a whole lot of
difference.  The IIa was virtually identical, quality wise, to the II, no
difference in quality of parts/thickness of metal, etc.  Somebody is
shining you on.  
	From my experience in trying to sell one of my rovers, the asking prices
are often very inflated.  109 Station Wagons are the most desired and in
the shortest supply.  88's are relatively plentiful, a lot more fun to
drive, much better off road, and cheaper.  Rover's North is selling ex MOD
pickups at what seems like reasonable prices if they are in good shape.
Check their Web Site out.  You can also import any series direct from
England if its pre 1973.  
	Parts for some of the Series II things like the engine may be more
difficult to obtain and probably will not be in stock from a US supplier.  
	The IIa had a more powerful engine but is still anemic, and depending on
year, improvements to lots of other areas.  If you are going to buy a car
that looks like a IIa but runs like a I, I'd go for a real series I. 
Aloha Peter 

At 09:19 PM 10/1/98 +0000, you wrote:

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From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:30:31 +0200
Subject: Re: Overdrives, Ashcroft Conversion's alternative

David,

I have the high ratio gearbox in my 1975 109 diesel. The PO had a work shop
in England installing it so I cant tell how difficult it is. Reading the
instructions that come with the kit it doesn´t seem to hard though. I can
go at 90km/h without going deaf by engine noice and the revs are not to
bad. The only "problems" I have is that 1 gear is not strong enough if you
are standing still and are starting in a hill (does not need to be terribly
steep). I have to change to low to get going. Also the fourth gear is not
strong. Note that I have a 109" and the 2.25L diesel engine is not the most
powerful engine there is (least powerful?). In a 88" with a petrol engine
these "problems" might not apply. 

Peter 
Peter Thoren 
1975 109" SIII Diesel
Member #1379 Swedish Land Rover Club
Långmyrtorp
740 20 Vänge
Sweden
phone/fax +46 18 39 20 56
peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:42:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Re: Badge design[multipart mime alternative 5 lines deleted.]

Pat ranks on Starbucks in Boston:

The other is more akin to a Boston Starbucks than anything... "The Grande-
Mochalattechino cups aren't secure in my rear cupholders..."

ACK!

First off, anything dumb enough to drink coffee at Starbucks deserves an air
suspension - more to the point, try the Bay Area on that one - we  here in the
Hub Of The Universe know that the proper place to drink coffee is in one's own
kitchen...8*)

               aj"or just switch to beer - much less acid..."r

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 98 13:43:29 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: SIII stuck i 4WD 

>I dropped by my local friendly LR parts dealer today and there was an 
>issue of LROI with a picture of a SII(I) interior with the coil spring. 
>I asked if he had one, which he had, and installed it.

does this mean you have to switch to the coil-sprung list?

> presto, my yellow knob popped up. 

please, there are kids reading this!

later

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@unimog.net>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:59:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: ** Unimogs at Hollister **

   Those of you reviewing your October calendar may
          make a note that there will be an

                 UNIMOG OCTOBERFEST
                October 24-25,  1998
         at the Hollister SVRA, Camp Area 5,
             Hollister, California, USA

  *** Enthusiasts of all makes of 4x4's Welcome! ***

  Camping and day use fees, which includes use of the
    SVRA park, are $10 either day, or $20 both days.
   This event is being organized by the newly formed
         Bay Area Moggers (BAM) club and the
       Unimog Association of the Americas (UAA)

        For more info see:  www.unimog.com/UAA 

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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:20:22 EDT
Subject: Re: Americans love of guns (Kill this thread too)

In a message dated 98-10-01 09:22:04 EDT, you write:

<< Dare i say it? Yes. The owner is probably feeling inadequate, genitally.
Enzo
 can talk to him (You said it enzo...) about that.
  >>

 I was the one making others feel inadequate.  Just wanted to make that very
clear. 

I was lucky enough to have avoided the "Italian Curse". (why do you think we
drive Ferraris and Lambos, wear lots of gold, have shiny suits and talk loud?
We're obviosly making up for something!)

Enzo (I drive a Series3. I have nothing to prove)

     
   

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:52:41 EDT
Subject: Re: Anybody know some Landrover jokes?

Q, How many series Land Rover owners does it take to change a front prop-
shaft?
A, None. They would all say "it's good for another 6 months yet.

Annon

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:52:51 EDT
Subject: Re-Vehicles for sale in Hong Kong

Some of these look pretty unique. I have never seen a factory built 90 or 110
version of the ser111. 

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid
+ Rolling RR chassis (awaiting the right body)

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:05:05 EDT
Subject: Re: New face

In a message dated 01-10-98 12:36:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com writes:

<< Re: Spittoons: >>

When I was a mere lad, we used to ride in the cargo area of pickup trucks.
Since most of our fathers chewed tobacco, most of the trucks sported a brown
stripe down the left (US) side of the truck.  One fine summer day, we were
riding in a friend's truck.  The father leaned towards the window.  Said
friend thought it was to tell him something.  Father let go with a "load".  My
friend hasn't touched tobacco products in thirty plus years.

My father, who was also a rural mail carrier, found it more effective that
pepper spray for keeping dogs who were overprotective of their owner's mail
boxes from chewing on his arm.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: Dan & Sally Cantwell <dcantwel@cgo.wave.ca>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:13:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Sometimes I'm just blown away/AFRICAM

As you requested:
http://www.africam.mweb.co.za/homepage.html

Dan
"61 SII 88 HT

GElam30092@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/1/98 6:29:16 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
> axel_haakonsen@hsbcsecuritiesinc.com writes:
> << What is the URL for that waterhole camera?  I'd like to take a look, too,
> it
>  will give me a little break from the urban jungle here in NYC. >>
> It starts at http://www.africam.mweb.co.za/

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 20 lines)]
> Gerry Elam
> PHX AZ

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From: "Chris Dillard" <cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:59:17 -0400
Subject: Series Lubrication

Being new to series ownership etc. etc., I am wondering what is the best
lubricant for the transfer box and transmission for my series 1? Went to
Auto parts store today to get battery, gear oil, brake gluid, etc. etc, but
wasn't sure on  "stuff" for the ttransfer case and transmission. I haven't
rec'd my manual yet so I also have some questions on the amounts for the
tranny? I would like to get started this weekend. any info is helpful.

thanks,

christopher d
2- 55 ser 1

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:07:52 EDT
Subject: Re:  Series Lubrication

Chris get 80w90 gear oil, and go ahead and get the pump that fits over the top
of the pail. Quart bottles are a waste of time, but handy to keep a couple
under the seat. Shop around. I usually get mine from a place like Pep boys or
Auto zone.
Wait a minute, you have two series ones; better get the fifteen gallon drum.
;-)
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS
LROA #1095
SoLaRoS #23
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1

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From: William Leacock <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:16:19 -0400
Subject: Differential Howl

Kirk, in order to replace the planet gears in a differential it is necessary
to dismantle the planet carrier. It's reassembly is tedious to ensure that
the carrier bearings are set correctly and also the clearance between the
wheel and pinion teeth. I would guess that you have too much clearance (
backlash ) in the gears. Over run noise is usually attributable to excess
tooth clearance.  To properly seat a taper roller bearing it is necessary to
rotate the bearing several times to ensure that the rollers are seated
properly. It is possible that you have too much axial play in the bearings,
permitting the gears to try and bottom out, or to further increase the
clearance.  Noise can aslo be created by badly worn and pitted teeth, but
you would have seen that when you had the diff apart.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "Wilson, Scott" <wilsons@msmail.vislab.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:21 -0500
Subject: RE: Series Lubrication

Go ahead and get used to buying gear oil by the gallon. It will save
you the trouble of buying it like you would quarts of milk. Get 90wt,
but if you can get 85w140, that's fine too... Also, go ahead and
get one of those Balkamp oil pumps (bigger is better) that have the
long-ish flexible hose to pump oil into those hard to reach places.

Engine oil... 20w50... a 2.25 takes about 7 quarts... I dunno about
the SI 2 liter engine...  buy two gallons and fill it until the dipstick
says to stop, I guess...

Brake fluid is a bit harder... You are supposed to use Castrol
Girling. If I were you, I'd stick to that... the best place to get it is
Rovers North... I have never found it anywhere in stores... I am
using a Synthetic Brake fluid, and haven't experienced any
seal failures yet, but I feel as though I'm putting myself at risk
of becoming flattened one day.

I found that one of those Rubbermaid Bins that you can get in
Wal-Mart in the Automotive section (there's two sizes, I got the
bigger one) fits perfectly between my rear bench seats. Had I
not had the bench seats, I probably could have gone for the box
that was even bigger, but it wasn't a rubbermaid. Anyway, they
are great for carrying everything out of site... a tool box, a gallon
of antifreeze, spare hoses, belt, electric fuel pump, a gallon of
gear oil, a big towel to lay on while working, grease rags,
and if you're going anywhere further that you want to walk home,
have that box in your rover!!! (Ask Luis!)

 -Scott  

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From: "Chris Dillard" <cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:38:41 -0400
Subject: RE: Series Lubrication

Thanks for the info Scott.
Cheers,

christopher (going for the oil and overalls) dillard

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:59:45 EDT
Subject: Re:  Series Lubrication

In a message dated 10/1/98 4:03:44 PM, you wrote:

<<Being new to series ownership etc. etc., I am wondering what is the best
lubricant for the transfer box and transmission for my series 1?>>

A lot of it.

<<Went to Auto parts store today to get battery, gear oil, brake gluid, etc.
etc, but
wasn't sure on  "stuff" for the ttransfer case and transmission.>>

Gear lube. If you are where it is warm, get one of the multigrade gear lubes
like 80W100 or 90W105

<<I haven't rec'd my manual yet so I also have some questions on the amounts
for the
tranny? I would like to get started this weekend. any info is helpful.>>

If it is a "side-fill" I'll betcha it is "fill until it overflows..."

If you know the year of it (the tranny, as it may have been swapped in) ask
someone with a similar type...

--pat.

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:35:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Badges and Foriegn objects in Electr

<< I just love the idea of a guy who can fix the elctronics on one of 
the most
sophisticated "vehicles" of its time driving around in a Ser11...
I think that says so much about the charm of a Land Rover... >>

 Yes, the contrast between Hi-tech (747-400 & 777) and No-Tech (L/R 
SIII) works for me too! 

 Paul {Licensed Aircraft Engineer Avionic (Electrics, Instruments, 
Autopilots, Radio, Radar) }

 Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:36

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:35:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Re: Badge design[multipart mime alte

<< First off, anything dumb enough to drink coffee at Starbucks 
deserves an air
suspension - more to the point, try the Bay Area on that one - we  here 
in the
Hub Of The Universe know that the proper place to drink coffee is in 
one's own
kitchen...8*) >>

 Quite right too.
 
 And the proper drink during a break in the work on ones Land-Rover is 
of course strong hot Tea. Yes, hot, with milk.

 Paul

 Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:06

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:35:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Diffs and speedos

<<  Paul I like the idea, "Banshee".  I will definitely think about it.
And you thought you were joking, ha.  ;-) >>

 You are most welcome!
 
 And I was only half joking...
 
 (Its probably a better name than "Dougal McLandie". That was bestowed 
on my Landie by my brother when he discovered it used to be based at 
Gairloch near Ullapool in the Scottish Highlands.)

 Paul

 Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:58

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: Jarvis64@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:37:17 EDT
Subject: series lube/brake fluid

Someone said you can't find the Girling brake fluid anywhere but RN.  

I understand, however, that Castrol GT/LMA is just as good and I buy a couple
quarts every time I see it, b/c not everyone has it.  It's findable, though.

Been using it for years and I'm not dead yet.

Bill Rice

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From: Jarvis64@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:37:12 EDT
Subject: Overdrives, Ashcroft Conversion's alternative

Howdy Folks,
I can't imagine using a permanent-style OD like this.  I've got a Toro in my
109, and even w/ the 2.5 liter Chevy engine,  I wouldn't ever want to start
out on an uphill w/o the OD in the low posn.  Maybe the Ashcroft doesn't make
the ratio as diffo. from stock as a Toro/Fairey does, but I really like the
gears just the way they are for starting out.  The only time I can think of
maybe using a setup like this is if you had an 88" and were fond of your 15"
wheels.

Bill Rice

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:42:38 -0600
Subject: Re: Badges and Foriegn objects in Electronics

Frank Elson wrote:

<< (I worked on the F-111-side >>

Art,
I just love the idea of a guy who can fix the electronics on one of the
most
sophisticated "vehicles" of its time driving around in a Ser11...
I think that says so much about the charm of a Land Rover...

nice one!

Best Cheers

Frank

Probably the reason that owning a Vehicle powered by Lucas Electric's
doesn't scare me!!!

Much.

Art
1960 SII "Aardvark"

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:53:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Series Lubrication

Chris states;

>Went to auto parts store today to get battery, gear oil, brake gluid...

Please, whatever you buy, DON'T use "BRAKE GLUID" that stuff is like glue,
not to mention it will dissolve your seals.      ;  )

I buy my oil (85wt-90) at Agway, by the 2.5 gallon, it's about 15 bucks. (
They also have 90wt140.)

I have been using Castrol GT-LMA brake fluid for a year or so w/o problems.

BTW, I don't wear my 'nice work overalls' when topping up 90wt - I have
more disposable clothes for that.  After rigging up a nice little pump and
long hose, and a years practice, 90wt still manages to get everywhere.

(IMHO, getting 90wt all over your face has got to be the worst thing about
working on a rover!)

(Usual disclaimers apply)

Cheers & Have Fun - Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:02:14 -0600
Subject: RE: Gearbox oil

Hey all!

The question about what to use in the gearbox brought back memories.

First car I bought when Posted to England back in 77 was a 1960 Austin
Healy Sprite (same year as "Aardvark" -Land Rover content!!)

Let my roommate drive it, he buggered up the gearbox. Found a box out of
a Morris Minor which fit after drilling out the bosses for the clutch
slave cylinder. Filled it full of 90 wt (thought all gearboxes used
it!!)

Two months later, gearbox died. Got another Morris Minor box, but this
time filled with the proper lube-motor oil!!

Live and learn!!

Art
1960 SII"Aardvark"

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:12:51 -0500
Subject: RE: Series Lubrication

>and if you're going anywhere further that you want to walk home,
>have that box in your rover!!! (Ask Luis!)

Never question that. Never. This is as basic as getting fuel in your
truck/car. Don't learn it the hard way.

Should I know.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: David Bothe <bothe@poboxes.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:20:54 +0200
Subject: electrical work on 110

Hi! Nice to be back on the lists!

After some year of fun with my 1986 110 2.5 TD Ex-Mil I just started the
next step in this project: Re-building the electrical light-system,
which the pre-owner put in total chaos. 

The Ex-Radio-Car has this big 6-step round switch in the middle. I
already got this switch, but I have some trouble with it:

The switch has 6 positions: H.S.T.  S.T.  T. OFF CONV. S.CONV

OFF and CONV. is clear, but what do the others mean?

On the back, the switch has 7 cables: brown, brown-yellow, red,
red-black, red-yellow, white and blue. I have some ideas, what they are
for, but it would be nice, if someone experienced could give me some
hints.

Maybe even someone has got a plan of the electrical installation (in
German: Schaltplan) for this. If so it would be so nice if I could get a
copy (via email or fax). Of course I will pay for everything.

So, thanks a lot and happy rovering, Your

David Bothe

David Bothe

Fax.: + 49 - 22 02 - 93 24 08
Phone:+ 49 - 22 02 - 93 24 09

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From: "Richard Clarke"<Richard.Clarke@nre.vic.gov.au>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:15:41 +1000
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

"Luis Manuel Gutierrez" said . . .

FJ-40s are as common here as Land Rovers. Same basic Idea.
But I've never seen one rusted around the roof. I've seen them rusted on
the
bottom of the doors, on the lower part of the waist, on the lower parts of
fenders and on every corner, but never near the roof.
I guess there are diferent "rusting standards" for the tropical areas, or,
as always, toyota managed to send same-model-different-cars everywhere on
the world.
I say>......

In Australia I think the FJ40s had fibreglass roofs - I think the original
rusty roof comment was aimed at the FJ55s - And I agree - the rust was
their down fall, I never owned one but several Landy Club members did over
the years and they seemed to be mechanically solid and quite capable (for
that type of vehicle) although fairly heavy

I have an engine out of one in my Chev Blitz truck -  even the casting
marks on the 2F motor from a 1974 Toy FJ55 are the same as those on the
block of a 1942 6 cyl Chev

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From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:24:00 -0500
Subject: electrical work on 110

>>>>> "David" == David Bothe <bothe@poboxes.com> writes:

    David> The switch has 6 positions: H.S.T.  S.T.  T. OFF
    David> CONV. S.CONV

Headlight, something, tail
	   something, tail
		      tail
Off
Convoy
Convoy,    something

Where something is for whatever we call "parking lights"
in the US (the front markers).  I don't know what word
that is that starts with "S", but that's what it means.
							-MM

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:50:34 -0300
Subject: Re: electrical work on 110

David Bothe wrote:
> Hi! Nice to be back on the lists!
> After some year of fun with my 1986 110 2.5 TD Ex-Mil I just started the
> next step in this project: Re-building the electrical light-system,
> which the pre-owner put in total chaos.
> The Ex-Radio-Car has this big 6-step round switch in the middle. I
> already got this switch, but I have some trouble with it:

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> copy (via email or fax). Of course I will pay for everything.
> So, thanks a lot and happy rovering, Your
I expect that the letters mean.... H.S.T= headlights.sidelights.
taillights.
     John and Muddy

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:09:22 EDT
Subject: Re: Gearbox Oil

In a message dated 01/10/98 03:46:41 BST, you write:

<< The book recommends ATF >>
it's right......

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:09:40 EDT
Subject: Re: O.D. GONE?

In a message dated 01/10/98 05:16:20 BST, you write:

<< Rumor has it the the RN price just jumped to $1200
 each.  Basically what is left are that which people had in stock.    >>

Hmm, wonder if it is w0orth buying up all the s/hand units in the UK, only
about £350 UKP each.....

Anyway, I'm off to Denmark in the morning for a weekend off-roading so I don't
really care - probably something to do with the night's full of Thwaites Best
Mild I've got inside me as well :-)>

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:09:46 EDT
Subject: Re: Sometimes I'm just blown away (marginal LR)

In a message dated 01/10/98 14:29:16 BST, you write:

<< Now, with a few clicks of my mouse, I can read
 the latest edition of my hometowns local paper.  >>
My newspaper group is on Internet. Talking to a fellow Editor the other week.
He put the paper on the Web on Thursday night and went home.
Came in the next morning and there had been a problem at the printer and the
papers were not out on the street.
BUT he had an email from Australia, from a reader who HAD read the paper while
local people in the town hadn't :-)>
Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:09:47 EDT
Subject: Re: Overdrives, Ashcroft Conversion's alternative

In a message dated 01/10/98 15:02:25 BST, you write:

<< I have had to e-mail them, specifically David (who used to be on the list).
 They are prompt and up-front about their replies and their products. I
haven't
 had to buy anything yet, but they sound like good decent people.
  >>

I know both Ian and David personally and would stand surety for their goodness
and decency as well as their knowledge any day. Their ideas are also extremely
sound.

I have to say that I have never bought anything from them - but only because I
have never needed too so far.

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:27:39 EDT
Subject: Re:  series lube/brake fluid

In a message dated 10/1/98 5:45:28 PM, you wrote:

<<I understand, however, that Castrol GT/LMA is just as good and I buy a
couple
quarts every time I see it, b/c not everyone has it.  It's findable, though.>>

I get GT-LMA at the local Discount Auto Parts (not DAP), and they have it in
three sizes: "small drip", "slight leak", and "need to top up daily"

I'm amazed they have it as all their other products are bordering on snake-
oil...

--pat.

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:13:15 -1000
Subject: Re: Sometimes I'm just blown away (marginal LR)

>The world seems to be rapidly be changing to a place where the kind of
atrocities
> brought by the Nazi government on the Jewish people, or the Soviet
> government brought upon the Ukraine people will be instantly recognized
> and not tolerated.

Hmmm, someone needs to turn on CNN and look at what is happening currently
in the balkens

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:19:54
Subject: no L/R

>...and the list goes on. Only thing that has changed, is the amount of time
>that the news media will pay attention to some of the above hot spots.
Some of
>these places have been highlighted for years, then suddenly, were never heard
>from again - yet they're STILL hot spots.

We were talking at work today about this sort of thing. We finally got to
the Serbs, do you suppose that they are trying to be the new "Nazies"?

Jim Wolf

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:17:23 -1000
Subject: Re: Looking for a 109 and 88

> You will get your hands dirty, but don't expect to get rich.  They
>will rarely sell for more than 15k, if that.  There are exceptions, but
>those usually depend on the buyer.

Peter
I was curious. . . is that 15k British or USA?

Reason I ask is I am always seeing add for Series Rovers in the 15-25 price
range in the US
Pete

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:27:04 -1000
Subject: Re: Americans love of SCUDS

>IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>H.M.C. would NEVER let anything like that leave the U.K., and they would

have
>gone apeshit (sorry) when they saw the paperwork! It's a typo in the
>description...probably just the launch vehicle, but certainly not a live
>missle as well.

The USAToday web site had a picture of it sitting on the dock in CA.  It was
a launcher and missle.  Missle was not active.  Propably one of those inert
things they used for those big parades in Red Square
Pete

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 98 17:53:41 -0700
Subject: Re: Furd 4x4

>Oooooooowwww...Ford 4x4 list...Owwwww...stabbed in the back by TW....et tu
>Pat?  :)
;
Huh????

;>All I can say is whatcha doin frequenting the Furd4x4 list TW?

Can't say that I have ever been there

;>And just how many leaf springs you got in your rover PP?

However many there are in 1 ton Rover leaf springs

;>Let's just say that Ibex vehicles based on LR parts FAR outnumber Furd 
;>ones...

Thats the old model.  The new one is based upon a Ford Explorer drive 
train.

My source on this informatuion is the Softcom 4X4 e-zine.  They have an 
article on the new IBEX.

I was just trying to be helpful in suggesting additional people who might 
be interested in an IBEX mail list.

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: kiotee@mcn.net (Roy Caldwell)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:43:41 -1000
Subject: Re: Americans love of guns (Kill this thread too)

Well gang, as a person that has SCUDs fired at him in anger, I'm not sure
the reporter got the story correct.  A SCUD is a very large piece of
weaponry.  It is launched from a truck the size of a small tractor and
trailer.  It would seem that the facts are a bit confused as to what this
thing really was.  While it was probably some sort of missile type ordnance,
it likely was of the anti-tank type.  From my past experience the SCUD is
very crude thing that is really not worth paying to have transported from my
house to the city dump much less across the pond.  If it was a SCUD the
vendor in England should be cngratulated for selling junk for dollars.  Oh
well!!  Was it not P.T. Barnum that said, " A sucker is born every minute".

Roy - Army 46Q/Photojournalist - 103 Public Affairs Det. with the 
      3rd Armored Cav Reg. in Desert Storm

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try www.africam.mweb.co.za its very unique, there is a wave file that =
you can download of a lion roaring, it will get your attention. i can =
remember being in the u.s. army and parachuting into a small airfield =
just above Sanderfjord on a training exercise in 1969. three c-130's, =
200 troopers. this guy "Ballou" and i set up a road block to keep the =
towns folks from getting too close as we were having a heavy drop right =
behind us.  later that evening, two BEAUTIFUL !!!! women came up on a =
little honda motocycle and brought us some beer and "lakavietz"?, clear, =
in a mason jar (hmmm), all you could do was sip it. they didn't speak =
english, but we sang pop tunes together all night. the next morning, we =
sat and watched as over 70 c-130's came, spilling out over 3500 troops =
and all their equipment. no doubt in my mind that norway is one of the =
worlds most beautiful countries.

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:17:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Looking for a 109 and 88,  and a rant...

>> You will get your hands dirty, but don't expect to get rich.  They
>>will rarely sell for more than 15k, if that.  There are exceptions, but
>>those usually depend on the buyer.

>I was curious. . . is that 15k British or USA?

USA  15k.  It won't be easy to sell for this, let alone more.

>Reason I ask is I am always seeing add for Series Rovers in the 15-25 price
>range in the US.

	I've seen them too, but after 6 months, they are still for sale.
These kinds of rovers may sell to the coil owners who don't want to scratch
their new rangie's paint, or 'remove' those (gawd damn stupid) plastic
pieces of trim when they drive in the woods.  Or are looking for something
a little different, because all their neighbors on Long Island own the
latest rangie and disco, and can't make it stick out enough by buying all
those spiffy little 'off road kits' and accessories.

	If you are patient and know what and where to buy parts, and
rebuild and repair what you can, you could build up a real gem from a parts
car for under 15k.  I've seen rovers come close to this for much less.

	I get the impression that after being on this list for a little
under a year or so that none of us would pay 15-25k for a series.  Right??!
Most of us don't have money like that to toss around (most certainly me!!).

	I'm just thinking if someone were to dump 25k for a concours resto
- I doubt they would do what we attempt with our rovers.  What do y'all
think, am I right here??

	Most of the 'rovers' here in 'Collegetown USA' are buffed to the
max with wax, and never come close to mud.  These people don't even know
what I'm driving - they should at least know what a Series Rover is!  I
swear, some day (night) I'm going to fill the back of my IIA with smelly
nasty mud, and shovel it on to these 'rovers.'     ;  )

Cheers, Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:43:31 -0700
Subject: Re: no L/R

 We finally got to
>the Serbs, do you suppose that they are trying to be the new "Nazies"?
They were the VICTIMS of the Nazi's.  I'm not defending anything that they
may or may not be doing now, but I hardly think that they have any
aspirations of being "Nazi-like" after what they went through at the hands
of the Croats...50yrs ago.  What the world has to understand is that these
people have hated each other for CENTURIES.  No amount of NATO intervention
or anything else is going to change it.  "my people right or wrong" is the
attitude, always has been the attitude and always will be the
attitude.....what does this have to do with LR??? other than the fact that
both sides are driving them..?

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
				Dennis Miller

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:03:46 -0500
Subject: RN Winch mounting plate

Still have more questions regarding winch.

Have decided on the Warn 10K winch for my 109.  Rovers North sells a
mounting plate for it that bolts to the underside of the horns.  Any
experience with this system?  Could I do it better and or cheaper myself?

Thanks
Cwolfe

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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:18:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Gearbox Oil

Quite correct - based on what I found out about mine :  not any ATF - it
should be F type, because of the combination of metals, and there is a pump
in there which is why the box doesn't use 90 thick stuff.
BTW my closest source of F ATF is the US Virgin Islands. Not exactly a pop
down to the shop.
Allan 

At 04:43 01/10/98 +0200, you wrote:

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From: Bombdiver@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:28:01 EDT
Subject:  GeoCoords for Penlan Farm

Steve,
  Sorry so late with the reply, end of the fiscal year. Street Atlas 5 gave me
the following: 37-44.118N/076-20.987W. See ya up there!

Andy Baran

95 Discovery (Down and out in the Body shop)
71 SIIA 88 (Down but not out in the driveway)
96 Dodge Ram (Wife's, it's gonna pretend to be a Land Rover for the weekend)

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From: John Cassidy <rovah@agate.net>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:32:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: More Pics on Disco Series II page...

For those that have already stopped by, I've added four new pictures of our
trip through the mountains in the Discovery Series II.  There's also a link
to TopGear magazine that has some other Series II pics.

Enjoy!  John

John Cassidy, Bangor Maine USA
President, Downeast Land Rover Club, http://www.agate.net/~rovah/

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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:52:53 -0400
Subject: Re:  Sometimes I'm just blown away (marginal LR)

At 08:56 01/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
, back then my mother used to send me newspaper clippings to let me know
>what was happening back there.  

I loved TA's post, it reminded me of the day after I got my net connection
and sat on my porch on the beach on this fly-spot on the atlas and checking
a marine science library in Australia  on my laptop. However, my mother in
Zim sends me newspaper clippings by post, particularly about wildlife
issues, along with her hand-written letters. So while this has no LR
content at all, this is a pub comment that it is  still really good to get
an envelope  with stuff that someone has put together for you, in their own
handwriting
Allan

>.

Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute (CANARI)
Vieux Fort, St. Lucia, West Indies. Tel. + 758 454 6060  Fax. + 758 454 5188

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:02:29 -0700
Subject: xfer gearing

I have heard that the ser 2 transfer case(I hope) or tranny is geared
lower than the 2A type. Can the gears be swapped into the 2A case? I
would like a lower low range, which is why I'm asking. I don't want to
affect anything other than low range except maybe 1st gear since I don't
use it much. Thanks

Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88"

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From: Edward Alexander <ncredox@mindspring.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 01:39:37 -0400
Subject: Looking for a 109 and 88

OK, some folks misunderstood what I meant by "restored Rover=$$$$."  What I
meant was that I would prefer a truck that needs some work, because I don't
have twelve grand to spend on a truck that will not be relied upon for daily
transportation.  I want a series Rover to be Big Ed's fun truck, into which
I intend to pour my blood and sweat, and I intend to bash the Hell out of
it, since I have seen them in action and I know they'll take the pain.  My
Discovery, by the way, is not "kitted out" with every overpriced yuppie
gadget that Atlantic British can get hold of.  Rather, it is a trail-biased
truck with tall springs, big tires, hacked fenders, CB, and butchered
bumpers, driven by a big guy who DOES wave at every Rover he sees, even if
they don't wave back.  I have been looking for a restorable series truck for
a while now, since I was about fifteen actually, when I fell for that big
ugly boxy truck with the recessed grille that I saw in a parking lot one
day.  I have read your thoughts on the older vehicles, and they sound like
solid trucks and most of you seem to have a genuine loyalty to the marque,
and that is what inspires me to find one that fits into my price range and
mechanical ability.  I truly appreciate, as others do, the great advice and
support that you lend one another.
--Ed

Edward D. Alexander, President, Theta Chi Fraternity
Delta Rho Chapter--NCSU
NCRedOx@mindspring.com
website http://www.thetachi-ncsu.org

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 02:02:08 EDT
Subject: Checkpoint Charlie Sprite

Alan Richer wrote: "an Austin-Healey Sprite had been used as a "getaway car"
for an escape from East Berlin!"

At that time, a newspaper article about the escape Alan described drew my
attention to the Sprite.  Quite possibly as a result, my first car was an
Austin Healey Sprite.  In late 1965, upon quitting the seminary (after a
year and a half), I needed a car and bought a 1962 Mark II Sprite.  It was
light blue, almost French racing blue.  The Mark II had the new body with
headlights in fenders but the old 948cc BMC A Series engine with twin SU2
carbs.  This car was my introduction to auto repair.

Most of the british car peculiarities we discuss on this list, relating to
Land Rovers, also plagued this beastie.  It leaked from all sorts of things
including shock absorbers.  It broke several axle half shafts (with all that
brute power).  It had mysterious and intermittent electrical system
malfunctions.  The top leaked.  Rust happened.  I believe it had the same
distributor and generator as my 1965 109.

Like the Land Rover, the old Sprite was a minimalist's delight.  It had
removable side curtains.  There weren't even door handles.  The turn signals
were worked by a toggle switch.  The Sprite was wonderful to drive and
miserable to repair which it needed frequently.  On the positive side, it
was a first class babe magnet.  The only better babe magnet I knew of at
that time was a 109 regular that belonged to a classmate.  But that is
another story.

Great memories.  Thank you Alan.

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver

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From: "Chris Thompson" <chris.thompson@team.xtra.co.nz>
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:06:34 +1200
Subject: ARB locker for landrover 101
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Does anyone know how to get an ARB locker into a 101 (Forward Control)

The 101's seem to have an unusual Salisbury diff - there does not seem to
be a stock ARB locker to fit.

A call to ARB just got the reply "we don't make one for the 101" but I'm
sure people have got around this.

The options seem to be: Find the right part, or figure out how to modify
an ARB locker that fits a "normal" Salisbury.
Or maybe swap the diff?

Any part numbers, or helpful URLs would be appreciated.

thanks

Chris Thompson
ct@synthetic.co.nz

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 01:13:21 -0500
Subject: Re: ARB locker for landrover 101 

In message <bulk.4859.19981001230722@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:

> Does anyone know how to get an ARB locker into a 101 (Forward Control)
> The 101's seem to have an unusual Salisbury diff - there does not seem to
> be a stock ARB locker to fit.

	I know of one 101 that has ARBs and the fellow who has it, bought
the parts from someone in Canada who had the necessary parts machined from
scratch. 

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:43:15 +0100
Subject: Steam cleaning valves

I remember, about a year ago, several people discussed various ways of
cleaning out exhaust systems.

One of them was to spray water into the carb whilst the engine was
running, thus using steam to clean the exhaust valves and exhaust
manifold.

Does anyone remember anything about this? or any other thoughts along
this line?

-- 
Ian Stuart
Computing Services
The University of Edinburgh

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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 10:21:28 +0100
Subject: Re: TOP GEAR (DISCOVERY 2000)

Anthony Cornell-Hewlett wrote:
> Wow!
> Did those of you, in the UK, see 'Top Gears' appraisal of the new
> Discovery?

Unfortunately yes!

> I know that most people buying one wouldn't even drive through a
> cowpat in the road let alone go off road!  But the demonstration of its
> off road capability was laughable, showing a discovery driving in two
> inches of water on a beach 

I've taken my Metro over worse(better?) off-road conditions than Top
Gear did the Disco!!
 
> Last week I watched 'Top Gear' with a little pride, in the first instance,
> when good old Clarkson praised the Range Rover as King of the Hill and
> demonstrated its capability.  But then when he mentioned that Australians
> had given up Landrovers for Toyata's due to the better build quality and
> reliabilty my heart sank. 

Some time ago Clarkson did a series of programmes where he was driving
different motors in different parts of the world, and he said the same
in that show about Australians prefering Land Cruisers to Rovers because
of reliability.
Does anyone know any figures to prove or disprove this?

As for Top Gear, I swear yet again that I will never watch another
broadcast. I wonder if the Disco would have had better treatment from
Quentin?
The programme would do better if it adopted a slightly less
condescending attitude to British cars and was not so concerned with how
important it was to get from 0-60 mph, when I had a Toyota Celica I was
more concerned with getting from Stoke-on-Trent to Loch Lomond in 6hrs
than how many seconds it took to get to 60!!

Mick Forster
1972 109" Safari 2.25 petrol
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/LWBrst/LWBrst.html
1963 88" IIA 2.25 petrol
Very sad Metro :-(
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/landpics.html
http://members.aol.com/Tony4star/

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