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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:48:00 +1000
Subject: Grill badges or Grille badges

Grill Badges?  Are those the ones you put on the cooking grill?  I want the
ones that go on the grille of the car

Let's get the spelling right here.

We are talking of a British car.

Regards

Ron Beckett

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:10:39 +1000
Subject: LR Yuppies

Paul Lonsdale wrote:
>One of the guys asked one of our keener Licensed Aircraft Engineers:
>"Do you talk to his wife while making love?"

Umm, I think this sentence has an error in it.  Either that or the engineer
was (a) making love to someone else's wife or (b) talking to someone else's
wife whilst making love to a third person.  Am I confused?

Regards,

Ron Beckett

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:55:13 +1000
Subject: Not many series to see

Bill Rice wrote:
>Have a friend at church w/ a Nissan Patrol.
>His is the only one I've ever seen in the U.S.

No wonder a guiy from AT&T whom I was with a couple of weeks ago looked real
hard at the new Patrol he saw at the marina where we lunched.  The AT&T guy
drives a Tacoma.

The Patrol is a big seller in Oz and the new model has out-sold the new 100
Series LC a couple of times in the monthly figures.  The previous body shape
Patrol was also sold as the Ford Maverick in Australia.

Regards,

Ron Beckett

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:33:12 +1000
Subject: balancing tyres

Peter Thoren wrote:
> The only thing would be the balancing of the tyres. When I looked
> at my old Michelin XC I can΄t find any balancing weights.
> Surely these tyres need to be balanced or...?

Yes.

>Is it possible to change the tyres myself (and save 40-50£)
>or is it just plain stupid to try?

Actually, if you have the right tyre levers, changing the tyres is
relatively easy.  But, the hard bit is breaking the beads.  I have a bead
breaker and several 2 ft (600mm) tyre levers.  You don't need a rubber
mallet.  A bit of soapy water on the rim and the bead and the tyres slip on
easily..

But it's hard to explain how to do it without pix.

Certainly once you've learned how to do it, you can do it in the bush.

Get the tyres balanced at a tyre service.  It isn't too expensive

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:02:17 +1000
Subject: What if...

David Cockey  wrote:
>Today's LC in the US is really a decendent of the FJ-55.
>I doubt many buyers of LC are aware of the FJ-40 and FJ-55.

I agree.  I had a FJ-55 before the Rangie (see my web site).  It was (and
still is) a good machine.  Rugged, fast (in comparison with a Series III)
and relatively comfortable (in comparison to a SIII).  Looks?  Well, they
grow on you.  I wish I still had it.  It was cavernous inside.  But they all
rusted out around the roof - have you ever seen one that hadn't?

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
'86 Range Rover 4.8L auto  "The Last Aquila"
check my web site at www.users.bigpond.com/hillman
Webmaster Land Rover Owners Club of Australia (Sydney Branch)
Webmaster Hillman Owners Club of Australia

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From: Paul G <pgussack@utk.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:25:09 -0400
Subject: RE:Badge design

A question and a thought. 

Question: Is this badge intended for the leaf sprung list crowd only or
both (all) lists.

Thought: The things that are common to all Rover owners are 
	1. Strong sense of community and shared experience
	2. The Logo (Oval-Land Rover thingiee)
	3. Oil Leaks

My preference is something that incorporates these feelings. I like the
pub idea. 
Though "The Oily Beast" sounds like some cross between a horror movie
and a porn flick. 

maybe something along the other suggestions

anyways that's my .2
Paul G

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:32:22 EDT
Subject: Re:  Not many series to see

In a message dated 9/30/98 8:22:06 AM, you wrote:

<<The Patrol is a big seller in Oz and the new model has out-sold the new 100
Series LC a couple of times in the monthly figures.  The previous body shape
Patrol was also sold as the Ford Maverick in Australia.>>

In the Philippines as well. It is the "bodyguard car" of choice, looking
large, wide and imposing on the streets, and the Armalite tips poking out the
tops of the windows helps too. Although lately, the economic crunch has been
forcing the corrupt politicians to cut down on spending and they are using
Toyota Minivans for that duty. hahahaha, a minivan!

New LC looks even less purposeful than the 80 Series :-( At least here in the
US. They are being sucked into a higher plushness category by the RR maybe?

Content: Last weekend my dad used the 90 with 205R16 street tires to pull out
my mom in her LC w/275/70R16 AT's. It is rainy season/monsoon in Manila now,
and even without tall mud tyres the 90 is getting a lot of use. I'm shipping
him some Trac Edges to improve the odds. He'll be very surprised at the
improvement... and I'll enjoy it more offroad when I'm home.

--pat

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:37:13 EDT
Subject: Re:  LR Yuppies

In a message dated 9/30/98 8:22:32 AM, Paul, then Ron wrote:

<<>One of the guys asked one of our keener Licensed Aircraft Engineers:
>"Do you talk to his wife while making love?"

Umm, I think this sentence has an error in it.  Either that or the engineer
was (a) making love to someone else's wife or (b) talking to someone else's
wife whilst making love to a third person.  Am I confused?>>

Confused? Well, maybe. Just not as kinky, obviously. 

I guess the *rest of us* just didn't see anything odd, eh? ;-)

--pat.

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:31:32 -0600
Subject: Re Stuck in 4WD

Carl Peter Swenson asked:

My questions:

How far up must the yellow knob be to be out of 4WD? I.e. distance from
underside of knob to hole in floor/gearbox tunnel. Would anybody care to

measure it for me?

Isn't there supposed to be some kind of coil spring around teh shaft of
the yellow knob? I seem to remember having seen that before I got my own

LR.

According to the "Green Bible" there should be 2 5/16 (58mm) between top
of tunnel and bottom of lock nut. And Yes, there should be a spring (and
a bushing in the hole in tunnel) This helps pop the yellow knob shaft up
when shifting out of 4wd high range.

The probable cause of the stuck is crud and crap on the linkage. Pull
the right hand side floor board, so you can get a good look. Clean the
linkages,replace the spring, and all should work again!!

Art
1960 SII "Aardvark"

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:10:27 -0500
Subject: RE: What if...

>I wish I still had it.  It was cavernous inside.  But they all
>rusted out around the roof - have you ever seen one that hadn't?

FJ-40s are as common here as Land Rovers. Same basic Idea.
But I've never seen one rusted around the roof. I've seen them rusted on the
bottom of the doors, on the lower part of the waist, on the lower parts of
fenders and on every corner, but never near the roof.

I guess there are diferent "rusting standards" for the tropical areas, or,
as always, toyota managed to send same-model-different-cars everywhere on
the world.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:09:45 +0200
Subject: Re: balancing tyres

The Becketts wrote:

> relatively easy.  But, the hard bit is breaking the beads.  I have a bead
> breaker 

Me too, several actually, one has an 88' wheelbase, the others have 109'
wheelbases. I've been using the vehicle to break beads for almost two
decades now and I haven't met a bead that can't be easily broken. [Tip:
use the drivers side front wheel, that way its easier to see where
exactly the wheel is]

I normally ride up onto the wheel so that the vehicle's wheel is as
close as possible to the rim on the wheel that you're trying to get the
trye off of. Then I climb out of the vehicle and apply a judicious
amount of force to the bead next to the vehicle's wheel. The bead
normally pops at this stage, or sometimes as soon as I drive onto the
wheel.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jeff@purpleshark.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:22:03 -0400
Subject: Thinking of a hybrid?--chassis 4-sale.

Jared Silbersher is selling a '78 RR rolling chassis (asking $2K) along
with some other bits. Contact him, NOT me, if interested--(914) 764-5348. A
more complete list of stuff he's selling was sent to the RRO list--check
out tomorrow's digest or the "hourly" update on the web for more details.

Apologies to those who subscribe to both lists.

jeff
==
 Jeffrey A. Berg     Purple Shark Media        Rowayton, CT
                    jeff@purpleshark.com
                     ==================
	My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
	My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
	Taste for the good life,
	I can see it no other way.
		--Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:10:07 +0200
Subject: Re: balancing tyres

The Becketts wrote:

> relatively easy.  But, the hard bit is breaking the beads.  I have a bead
> breaker 

Me too, several actually, one has an 88' wheelbase, the others have 109'
wheelbases. I've been using the vehicle to break beads for almost two
decades now and I haven't met a bead that can't be easily broken. [Tip:
use the drivers side front wheel, that way its easier to see where
exactly the wheel is]

I normally ride up onto the wheel so that the vehicle's wheel is as
close as possible to the rim on the wheel that you're trying to get the
tyre off of. Then I climb out of the vehicle and apply a judicious
amount of force to the bead next to the vehicle's wheel. The bead
normally pops at this stage, or sometimes as soon as I drive onto the
wheel.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: Kirk Hillman <khillman@rttinc.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:10:36 -0700
Subject: Differential Frustration, and speedo too

Fellow enthusiasts,
    Might I just say, to start off, that I quite enjoy taking half an
hour every morning to read the 100+ messages that I get in the digest.
Unfortunately, I haven't had the time in the past couple of weeks to do
just that.  So I have just tried to skim what I thought most important.
For my lagging devotion I apologize.  8^)

    The real reason I am submitting something today is two fold.
Mainly, the rear differential.  I pulled it to replace the nifty side
gear that had two few teeth to work properly  :-(  A friend and I did
this, replacing only the single side gear.  I know I will get harassed
for not doing it right, but wait.  I plan this winter to do a good
number of tasks on the Land Rover, one of which is rebuild the entire
differential.  I simply wanted a temporary fix until I had the money to
fix it properly.  That said, I put it back in and replaced the half
shafts.  Now nothing leaks, but ho, the howl it makes.  Oddly it only
makes the howl when you let off the gas.  I expected it to be noisy with
one new gear and three old, but not like this.  There is no perceptible
noise when the vehicle is under power.  Any ideas?  Just drive it and
hope they mesh? (more incentive to rebuild soon)  When I first got the
truck, I overtorqued the hub flange bolts a little and that made them
squeal for the two feet I backed up, but this is different.  Please help
stop the insanity!
    On a lighter but still aggravating note, my speedo stopped
working... again.  I just replaced the speedo cable three weeks ago.  I
know for a fact it was toast (two pieces in fact).  The new one went in
and all was well.  I re-routed it slightly to ease the curves and avoid
heat a little better, I thought.  But the truck sat until I could
rebuilt the differential.  Consequently that speedo only got 24 km of
working time.  Now the truck goes, but the speedo still doesn't.  I knew
I never should have started to repair and do maintenance on a Land
Rover.  It will never end.  :-)

Thanks all for your ear,
Kirk Hillman
Nameless '66 88" SW

--
"Faith without works is dead."

Maranatha, selah.

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From: "Wise Owl Innovation Incorporated" <wiseowl@direct.ca>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:34:27 -0700
Subject: Re: Differential Frustration, and speedo too

Kirk check out our website for special on good used differentials - today
is the last day of September.

www.bcoffroad.com/wiseowl

ray Wood

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 98 08:44:46 -0700
Subject: Sometimes I'm just blown away (marginal LR)

I have been raised in the high tech world of Silicon valley California 
and now live on the leading edge of a forested ridge near the Monterey 
bay.  I've been on the internet since 1986 and sometimes I realize how 
radically the net has changed my life and I'm just totally blown away.

It's early dawn here.  I sit in front of my 350 MHz Power Mac dressed in 
a warm flannel night gown sipping my first cup of tea.  The computer 
table is in front of the window so I occasionally glance out at two deer 
in the front yard who are eating fallen acorns by the Land Rover.

I have the front door open to catch the slightly cool fall morning air.  
The distant sounds of the Monterey bay surf and cars on their morning 
commute into Silicon valley  come in through the open door.  My Irish 
Wolf hound, Lacy, is asleep by my chair.  The two deer have just been 
joined by three more who just came out of the woods.

I have a web window open in the background that is giving me a 30 second 
update of a water hole in the Djuma Game Reserve in South Africa.  I have 
become addicted to watching African game almost real time almost half a 
world away.  It is almost 4 PM (1600) there.  This is usually a good time 
to view the African wildlife stopping by the water hole for a drink.  
This morning (afternoon there) it is trained upon two people doing some 
repair work on the gear.

A friend living in South Africa whom I have never met knows I am 
considering adding a more powerful engine to my overweight 109.  He just 
sent me an e-mail from the African mail list describing one person's 
experience driving a series Land Rover through the Gonarezhou park in 
South Africa.  The car involved has one of the engines I'm considering 
installing.

I have been web window shopping in Australia for a conversion kit that 
would allow me to couple a strong 5 speed transmission to the Land Rover 
transfer case and make the engine conversion easier.  I also have been 
web window shopping in The Netherlands for parabolic springs within 
minutes of shopping in Australia.  Which reminds me.  I need to send out 
a thanks to an old friend in Australia whom I have never met.  It should 
be morning tomorrow there in a couple of hours. Last night I downloaded a 
catalogue from Mansfield motors in England.  I really should get around 
to book marking a site that provides daily currency exchange rates.

And suddenly, my morning's activities HITS ME.  I'M WATCHING AN ALMOST 
LIVE CAMERA FEED FROM AFRICA, WINDOW SHOPPING AROUND THE WORLD AND 
CHATTING WITH PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD in my living room over a cup of 
tea!!!!!  This completely blows me away when I think about it.

When I was a little girl, our next door neighbors got the first 
television in the area.  It didn't have an enclosure so it was mounted up 
high near the ceiling so that the kids wouldn't electrocute ourselves.  
My father got elected to install it since he was about six foot six. 

Many evenings would be spent with local families gathered together in our 
neighbor's living room  watching live shows on this thing called 
television.

Our phone was on a party line.  We only picked it up when we heard a 
double ring.  

I grew up in a world that was very U.S. centric and isolated from the 
rest of the world by very large distances.  Other countries were these 
seldom thought of exotic places out there somewhere half a world away.  
You got a glimpse of something that happened some time ago in the evening 
news, but it really didn't seem real.  I could read about these far away 
countries in books but they didn't seem any more real than other planets 
in science fiction books.  My first real trip out East in the U.S. was 
during 11th grade.  We got as far as the Western tip of Wyoming.  I 
remember being amazed in Jackson hole Wyoming.  Here I was on my first 
exciting trip out East and they were having some kind of Western days 
celebration.

This is the framework around which my childhood beliefs were set.  Since 
then Air travel to the rest of the world has become an everyday reality. 
Communication satellites have brought live television feed into my house 
from around the world.  The internet has brought me the ability to chat 
with people anyplace in the world.  But before this recent thing called 
the web, people on the internet were mostly white males living in the US, 
with at least one technical degree and ether going to a university or 
working in  high tech.  Not a very diversified group.

Then this thing called the web blossomed out from a university in 
Illinois to completely change the world.  It is almost like the early 
days of television, mail and telephone combined and its effects are 
rapidly changing the very foundations of every society the web weaves 
itself into.  I now almost always take for granted chatting with people 
around the world, shopping around the world and have just now become 
addicted to watching animals at a water hole located on a different 
continent in a different hemisphere.  This is basically real time!  

People from different cultures, races, religions are communicating their 
ideas to one another.  Since we can not see each other, the normal sight 
and voice related cultural biases are left behind.  All that is left are 
the ideas behind the words.  We are becoming real people to each other 
instead of this government created image.  This has got to be making real 
and profound changes in people's perceptions of the rest of the world.

I find myself wondering about the world that todays young children will 
have when they become adults.  These children are seeing today's internet 
connected computers much like I saw our first televisions and the party 
line telephone.  They are starting out forming their child hood beliefs 
in a world where sharing ideas with kids half way around the world is a 
normal everyday thing.  

I think that as the web weaves it's way into more and more societies, it 
will weave us all closely together and radically change our perceptions 
of how we see each other and our concepts of tolerance and government.  I 
wouldn't be surprised to see more and more countries band together in 
close alliances like the European common market.  Already a financial 
event in one part of the world instantly affects the economies all around 
the globe.  Already one countries natural disaster or violent oppression 
brings rapid responses from other countries around the World.  The world 
seems to be rapidly be changing to a place where the kind of atrocities 
brought by the Nazi government on the Jewish people, or the Soviet 
government brought upon the Ukraine people will be instantly recognized 
and not tolerated.

What kind of world community will our children create based instant 
global exchanges of ideas at the level of every individual?  What will 
happen as some societies grow closer together because of the web and 
future technological advances while other societies try to isolate their 
cultures from this instant exchange of ideas?

Most days I just use the net without giving it a thought.  Other days the 
concept of being in the early phases of a change that may become as 
important as being able to produce fire on demand totally blows me away.

Whew

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:57:54 -0700
Subject: Original Land Rover grill badge

From: "M. Tompkins" <mmglass@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:18:35 -0400
Subject: badge/logo/pub

>Uh oh - sounds we are turning into a bunch of those
yuppies that buy a Discovery. No intent to offend anyone
on this list but well flame away if you want.

>I believed the original  intent was to have a grill badge
that would represent our virtual pub....oh and by the way...
I still prefer "The Rovers"..... A badge with Series vehicles
clearly best represents our virtual pub....my vote a Series I
and a Series III.

When I bought my Series III new it came with an application to join the
Land Rover Owners Association, which, of course, was based in the UK.  I
joined, and received a very nice enameled grill badge which was nothing
more than the Rover logo, the bow view of a Viking (?) boat.  I don't
know if this group is still functional; I received very useful
newsletters for a year or so with articles about the best lines for
winching (capstan) and other things.  They stopped coming in 1974,
perhaps because Land Rover was pulling out of the US or perhaps because
my membership was not renewed, although I don't recall ever getting any
sort of notice.  Anyway, I still have the badge attached to the grill of
my Series III.  I've always thought it was a very simple and classy
badge, much nicer than the elaborate and flashy badges and decals I see
on many vintage vehicles today.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: "Mark Talbot" <rangerover@top.monad.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:09:01 -0400
Subject: 1st VT/NH Fall Colour Romp October 10/11th - Final details 

1st VT/NH Fall Colour Romp - October 10/11th

The trees are just starting to turn and should be in full colour in a week,
so the the views of the area and the colours should be spectacular. The
off-roading is going to be a challenge for all experienced levels.  Its
important that we know the numbers, as we want to keep the vehicles moving
along and not be stopped for long periods. Read the "ugly stuff" below.

The Schedule :

Saturday October 10th - Full days Off-Road in Southern VT

Saturday Evening, dinner TBD. (If you want to Bar-B-Q, we can do that in
woods in the back of my yard, but its bring your own food and drink etc..)

Sunday October 11th - Full days Off-Road in South West NH

Where to stay  :

There are plenty of smaller chain hotels in the Brattelboro / Keene area.
There is a Best Western / Days Inn in Keene. For those looking for a more up
scale place to stay, try the the Chesterfield Inn in Chesterfield NH.

For those wishing to Camp, there are some camp sites still open and I have a
list of a few if anyone needs them. And if anyone wants to camp in my yard,
I have 5 acres of secluded woods that your could pitch your tent in.

What to bring :

Please bring recovery equipment and a spare set of dry clothes, it could get
wet out there. If you wish to bar--b-q then bring some food to cook. Its
possible for us to stop in Keene on the way back and we can go buy some
food. Bring lunches for both days. Again, both meeting places have stores
where you can buy food for the day.

Saturday - Off roading in Southern Vermont.

Saturday is going to be the harder of the two days, so come prepared for
winching and pulling Land Rovers

Bring your own lunch.

Meet at "Bickfords" at the intersection of RT5 / RT9 in Brattleboro VT.
10AM SHARP !

Directions to Brattleboro :

>From the South - Take I91 north to exit 3, off the ramp and you will see the
"Bickfords" in front of you at the intersection of RT9 / RT5

>From Boston - Take RT2 West to I91N and then follow directions above. There
is a shorter way, RT2 to RT140N to RT12N to RT101 W into Vermont.

>From the North I91 South to exit 3. Again off the ramp and the Bickfords is
right in front of you.

Sunday - Off-Roading in South West New Hampshire.

Sunday we are going over the power lines in Troy, these power lines have a
lot of hill climbs and wash-outs. We will be going the entire length of the
first section of lines, approx 5 miles, as-well as take in some connecting
green lanes.

Meet at Dunkin Donuts on RT12 in Swanzey NH 1 mile South of Keene. 10AM
SHARP !

>From Boston - Take RT2 to RT140N to RT12N into Keene NH.  The Dunkin Donuts
is just after "SAMS" on the left

>From Brattleboro - Take RT9 / RT101 East into Keene. Take RT12 South 1 mile.
Dunkin Donuts is on your right.

>From the East- Take RT101 West into Keene, Take RT12 South 1 mile, see
above.

Both meeting areas are right next to gas stations, so you will have to
chance to fill up ! Both are real easy to find.

============================================================================
=======

I hope that this event will become a regular on the calendar, I have some
ideas for making this better next year, like an off-road scavenger hunt !!!
many people like the idea of covering two states. I'm sure that plenty more
trails can be found in NH/ VT to make this type of event enjoyable for all
types of off-roading.

The ugly stuff....

OK, I NEED AN RSVP from everyone who intends to come, I need to know which
days (again) you plan to be with us and if you want to BAR-B-Q !!

I don't like placing restrictions on anyone off-roading. But if you have
street tyres, then you will struggle on these trails, especially Saturday.
Please also make sure you have a recovery point to be pulled and winched
from. This is very important ! If you don't have an attachment point, call
Rovers North and buy a front mounted recovery loop.  The factory tie downs
on the front simply won't do. They shear off under the strain of winching, I
have seen this happen to often. Also a good tow rope and a selection of
shackles is a good idea.   Also, bring your wading plug and put it in on
Sunday.

E-mails me with questions etc.

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:12:07 -0700
Subject: Re: SIII stuck i 4WD

From: Carl Petter Swensson <cepe@online.no>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:55:48 +0200
Subject: SIII stuck i 4WD

>How far up must the yellow knob be to be out of 4WD? I.e. distance from
underside of knob to hole in floor/gearbox tunnel. Would anybody care to
measure it for me?  Isn't there supposed to be some kind of coil spring
around teh shaft of
the yellow knob? I seem to remember having seen that before I got my own
LR.

The shaft with the yellow knob should come all the way up when the
vehicle is disengaged from 4wd.  Yes, there is supposed to be a long
coil spring around the entire length of the shaft to pop it up when the
red-knobbed high-low lever is moved to low and back to high.  If the
spring is not there, the lever will not come up unless you pull on it,
after which you'll have to hold it up continuously to avoid it dropping
back down and engaging 4wd again.  Obviously, if you are going to be in
low range, the yellow knob does not have to be pushed down.  It is only
used to engage 4wd in high range.

While I have not measured the travel of the 2wd-4wd lever, I believe it
to be about 6 or 8 inches at the most.  All it does is insert a big pin
into a shaft that locks the forward propshaft to the transfer case
output shaft.  I suppose if this pin is bent, it could jam in the hole.

>If my transfercase is stuck in 4WD, does anyone have any hints on how
to
get it unstuck with a minimum hassle?

I'm sure you've already done this, but sometimes if a transfer case (or
locking hubs) get stuck in one position, reversing the vehicle a short
distance will get it unstuck.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:22:49 EDT
Subject: Re: Sometimes I'm just blown away (No LR)

    What a wonderful read you gave us, TeriAnn.  I, too, am ofter blow away by
the pace of technology.  Day to day, things seem to progress so slowly, but
the small daily discoveries (Rover Content?) and breakthroughs ad up and
suddenly we've gone from watching birds fly to actually going to the Moon in 1
generation.  It makes me wonder what our children's children will be living
like in the years to come.  A list of possibilities would read like a subject
list of science fiction.  Planet colonization, no disease, space/time
movement, water as a fuel, and on and on.
     Call me a nut, but I believe that the space/time barrier will be overcome
in the next 25 years.  Then the movie "The Fly" will be looked at in the same
way that we look at that old silent film about going to the moon.  That is
prophetically.  We're only energy, after all, made up of bits so small and
fast moving that we appear to be made of a solid structure.  
     Sorry.  I know this does not belong on this list, but I think it's
interesting.
Enzo

    

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:23:15 -0500
Subject: Winch Advice - access to starter dog?

I was out running dogs in the boonies of the great north yesterday and I got
into some great bird country.  The logging road came to a stream crossing
that had a path with a small bridge to the side that some ATV'ers built.
The main crossing had a log foundation and seemed very stable.  The entry
and exit to the crossing appear very solid.

So this very pumped up ( beautiful day, not working, dogs running great and
plenty of grouse) and foolish (solo, no winch or recovery equipment)
attempted the crossing.  Entry, no problem. On exit, as the front wheels
began there ascent, the log structure under the rear wheels gave out and
settled well into the mud.  Numerous attempts at combination shovelling and
making a grade with rocks proved futile.  Several mile hike through the
popple brought me to a farmer with a ford diesel tractor and soon all was
well.

Nevermore.

I want to order a winch through rovers north ( Have credit built up)

What are your recommendations regarding winchs? (Warn, Husky, Superwinch)

What strenght do you recommend?

My main dilemma is how to mount.  I would prefer not to lose access to the
starter dog.  I find that handcranking can come in useful at times and that
the starter dog makes setting points and valves much more convenient.  So
where do you recommend mounting the winch?  If I have to mount low, do you
miss the use of the starter dog?

Thanks

Cwolfe

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:40:11 -0400
Subject: getting all philosophical and stuff...

Hoo boy, some of us just aren't paying attention in class today.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:33:32 -0400
Subject: Newsletter stuff for Non-Rover market

Here's something your correspondents might find amusing - and it's quite true.

Speaking of Sprites - I was recently in Berlin and visited
the Checkpoint Charlie museum (about 10 meters
down the street from Checkpoint Charlie), and I was scanning
the display that talks about escapes (and escape attempts).

About halfway down the wall I am surprised to see a familiar
pair of headlights and a winged badge staring at me! Upon reading the
text accompanying the photo, it turned out that an Austin-Healey Sprite
had been used as a "getaway car" for an escape from East Berlin!

Turns out that a  West Berliner wanted to break out his girlfriend
and her brother. He surreptitiously measured the gates, then
shopped West Berlin looking for a car low enough to fit
underneath.

Once he found it (a late-60s Sprite - looked just like my wife's 68!)
 he drove into East  Berlin on a 12-hour visa, removed the windshield, top and
vent windows, loaded up his passengers (one in the boot and
one behind the seats), and took off through the barriers and
tank traps like the proverbial bat out of Hell.

All made it out, though the Sprite collected a bullet or two
on the way.

They showed a picture of the Sprite under a barrier on the
US side and the spacing was interesting - the distance
between the top of the steering wheel and the bottom of the
barrier was less than 3 inches. Steering bent over into the
passenger seat must have been amusing, especially when being
done at high speed through a narrow tank trap.

And who says Brit sports cars serve no useful purpose?

Copyright 1998 Alan J. Richer. All Rights Reserved.

                    ajr

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:39:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Newsletter stuff for Non-Rover market

OOPS!

I was priovately emailing that to Paul Donohue - my apologies....

               ajr

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From: "Christopher J. Clanton" <clantoc@cscoe.ac.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:55:32 -0500
Subject: Practicality of the S1

Calling all Series I owners...  

I am seriously considering buying a 1955 Series I.   
I've owned two IIa 88"s (1969&1970) in the past and 
am looking to try something a little different, but 
with the same Rover spirit.

The planned purpose of the truck is a hobby/run-around.   
Trips to the hardware store, lake cabin, snow driving, 
short-towing of sail boat, light off-road, etc.  I am 
definitely not planning on using this as a daily driver, but 
I want to be able to  semi-restore it and keep it running.

Are parts available for these things?  Where?  How
interchangeable are the parts with Series II/IIA/III?
I'm not a freak for originality, but I don't want to have
to hack this thing too bad to keep it going.

So, you guys with the Series I's... Give it to me straight.
Are these things more headaches than their worth?  Am
I better off passing and keep looking for the Series II?

Thanks in advance for any insight...

-cjc

*********************************************************
* Christopher Clanton               *   *     Andersen Consulting		
*
* clantoc@cscoe.ac.com           *   *     Minneapolis, MN USA		*
*********************************************************  

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:13:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Differential Frustration, and speedo too

Kirk Hillman wrote:
>  I pulled it to replace the nifty side
> gear that had two few teeth to work properly  :-(  A friend and I did
> this, replacing only the single side gear. 

>.
 Did you replace the thrust washer under the gear. The two larger gears
have them and sometimes they can fall apart. Then again, the damaged
gear could have taken a bit off the two other smaller gears.

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: Steven Henry <sahenry@sprynet.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:14:46 -0400
Subject: RE: Sometimes I'm just blown away (marginal LR)

On Wednesday, September 30, 1998 11:45 AM, TeriAnn Wakeman 
[SMTP:twakeman@cruzers.com] wrote:
> It's early dawn here.  I sit in front of my 350 MHz Power Mac dressed in
> a warm flannel night gown sipping my first cup of tea.  The computer
> table is in front of the window so I occasionally glance out at two deer
> in the front yard who are eating fallen acorns by the Land Rover.

You are extremely lucky to live in that environment.  Is your job close 
enough for you to drive, or do you have a long commute which forces you to 
take the train?

> I have a web window open in the background that is giving me a 30 second
> update of a water hole in the Djuma Game Reserve in South Africa.  I have 
> become addicted to watching African game almost real time almost half a

I am sure images of driving the Dormobile (LR content) on an expedition 
come to mind.  :-)

Steven

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From: "Wilson, Scott" <wilsons@msmail.vislab.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:17 -0500
Subject: RE: 1st VT/NH Fall Colour Romp October 10/11th - Final details

Okay... count me in... my office mates say it'll be about 3 hrs from NYC
which really meand about 5 hrs in a rover from brooklyn... I'll be going
both days, and will say that I'm camping sat night, but might like a warm
bed and a shower depending on my day =:)

Um... I'm not sure what you mean about the recovery point... I have two
big hefty loops on my front bumper right where it attaches to the frame.
I don't think these are the stock ones that you are referring to...
http://www.scratchstudio.com/rover/74SIII.GIF
is a picture of it... you can almost see the points peeking through...

and the breather plug... I guess rovers north will have these?

thanks...

 -Scott  

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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:16:23 EDT
Subject: Re: Newsletter stuff for Non-Rover market

In a message dated 98-09-30 12:39:32 EDT, you write:

<< And who says Brit sports cars serve no useful purpose? >>

    British Cars do not have to serve a useful purpose for citizens to own
them.  Yes, I do use my Land Rover for hunting, but even if I didn't, I do not
believe the gov't has any say in my ability to own it.  Did the founding
fathers intend for British Cars to be used only for hunting?  I don't think
so!  The argument that British Cars run people over holds no water with me.
Before British Cars, man drove horses and ran people over with those.  Heck,
if Britsh Cars were unavailable, people would be run over with bicycles.
     You can have my Britsh Cars when you peel my cold dead fingers from the
steering wheel!
      British Cars Don't Kill People, People Kill People.  

Enzo

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From: "Wilson, Scott" <wilsons@msmail.vislab.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:25 -0500
Subject: OOPS: 1st VT/NH Fall Colour Romp October 10/11th - Final details

oops.... didn't mean to send to the list... I got two and resonded to
the wrong one...

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:31:48 -0400
Subject: RE: Breather plugs

and the breather plug... I guess rovers north will have these?

Nope - hardware store. Get a pipe plug for 1/4" iron pipe - it's the same thread
and fits fine. I recommend a brass plug (which is what I use meself), but an
iron one will do fine considering how little it gets used.

                         ajr

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From: Carl Petter Swensson <cepe@online.no>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:48:16 +0200
Subject: Re: SIII stuck i 4WD

I dropped by my local friendly LR parts dealer today and there was an
issue of LROI with a picture of a SII(I) interior with the coil spring.
I asked if he had one, which he had, and installed it. Just to be sure I
put my LR in low as I backed out of his parking lot. Then shifted to
high, and presto, my yellow knob popped up. 

Problem solved. 

--cepe
-- 
Carl P. Swensson	internet: cepe@online.no	
			telephone: +47-928 937 40
                        telefax:   +47-929 737 40
I speak for myself. I will tell you when I speak for someone else

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From: "Tom Rowe/CDR" <trowe@ibm.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:24:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Winch Advice - access to starter dog?

wrote:
snip
>What are your recommendations regarding winchs? (Warn, Husky, Superwinch)
I have an old Warn 8274, it's been more than satisfactory for me for
everything from getting unstuck to working in the woods, loading truck
frames on a semi and removing my 88 hardtops

>What strenght do you recommend?
My Warn is rated at 8000 lbs. This is plenty for an 88 (you don't say what
you were driving). 6000lb capacity would probably even be fine.

snip
>If I have to mount low, do you miss the use of the starter dog?

I mounted mine behind the front bumper which is the position that will
give  a straight pull on the frame. It does blocks the starter dog.
However, by unspooling the cable I can insert the hand crank through the
roller fairlead and reach it (I've had to so this to start my L/R some
years back in the middle of the night on  a trip). I figure that if I need
the starter dog for starting, unspooling the cable is the least of my
worries.

Tom Rowe
Atlanta, GA

Four wheel drive lets you get stuck
in places even more inaccessible

Tom Rowe
Madison, WI

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:27:37 -0500
Subject: RE: 1st VT/NH Fall Colour Romp October 10/11th - Final details

> I have two
>big hefty loops on my front bumper right where it attaches to the frame.
>I don't think these are the stock ones that you are referring to...

I think this loops are standard on series vehicles.
Oh well, thinking it twice, you can never say something is standard
equipment on a LR.
I will re-phrase my statement:
On Costarican LRs this loops must have come standard, since almost everyone
around has them on.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:26:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Not many series to see

Primary vehicle for daily transport.  28 miles a day round trip to work.
Approx. 15k per year.  SWMBO forces the use of the Disco for long distance
trips for two or more.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: Casey McMullen <st93wxta@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:57:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Not many series to see

My Rover is my only car, runs around town, 1 hour trips to girlfriends, 
2.5 hour trips to parents, 3 miles to work (when it's raining too hard 
for bike).  On track to average 15k miles a year.  
On I-95 I'm guaranteed to see half a dozen Discos and RRs in a trip 
to/from Philly.

-Casey M
'72 sIII 88"

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:50:02 -0400
Subject: Re: LR Yuppies

<< Do you talk to his wife while making love?" >>

 Sorry, for "his" read "Your" 

Paul

 Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:17

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:50:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Differential Frustration, and speedo

<< Nameless '66 88" SW >>

 Perhaps "Banshee" would be an apt name in view of your vociferous 
diff?

 Paul

 Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:21

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: "Franklin H. Yap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:47:08 -0700
Subject: Re: Practicality of the S1

Christopher J. Clanton wrote:

> Trips to the hardware store, lake cabin, snow driving,
> short-towing of sail boat, light off-road, etc.  I am
> definitely not planning on using this as a daily driver, but
> I want to be able to  semi-restore it and keep it running.

I used a S1 as a daily commuter for about a year. But my commute did not 
involve any
freeway miles.  The stock engine and no o/d makes it painful to be on the 
freeway.  I
have done it but I try not to because I feel like I'm punishing the vehicle 
when I do
so.

> Are parts available for these things?  Where?  How
> interchangeable are the parts with Series II/IIA/III?
> I'm not a freak for originality, but I don't want to have
> to hack this thing too bad to keep it going.

 Many parts are interchangeably but many are not.  Join the S1 list and get 
copies of
the previous post.  There is a discussion there about interchageable parts.

>  So, you guys with the Series I's... Give it to me straight.
> Are these things more headaches than their worth?  Am
> I better off passing and keep looking for the Series II?

 I personally like the S1s.  Since mine was fairly original (except for the 
awful
house paint job), I didn't have the heart to start making mods to make it a more
useable off-road vehicle.  I think if you only have 1 LR, the S2a is a better 
choice
- Bigger engine, easier to find parts, locking doors, etc.

Frank

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:52:19 EDT
Subject: Re: Numbers - Sightings

In a message dated 29/09/98 00:39:13 BST, you write:

<< The Thing was the US name of the 181, looks like a Kubelwagen, the military
 looking corrugated sided one. >>
Thanks Pat,
I saw a pic of one once.

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:52:27 EDT
Subject: Re: tubes or tubeless??

In a message dated 29/09/98 08:48:41 BST, you write:

<< Art Bitterman wrote:
 > So can I run safely tubeless on these rims? I'm running Goodyear
 > Wrangler AT (Tubeless) for tires.
 I don't know about your rims, but did the tyre shop clean up the inside
 of the tyre before mounting it?  I've had three or four flats in the
 past year, running tubes in tubeless tires.  When I got the last one
 fixed, the tyre shop told me that it was some kind of small blocks on
 the inside of the tyre that had rubbed against the tube, puncturing it. 
 They cleaned up that one tyre, but said the other ones were probably
 OK...  Now I have my doubts, because the other flats all were for no
 apparent reason.
  >>
the inside of tubless tyres is not made to the same cleanliness as tubed - cos
it doesn't have a tube to worry about :-)>

putting a larger tube, ie from a 9.00 tyre, in can often help as it is thicker
rubber and not inflated to the same size.

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:52:25 EDT
Subject: Re: New face

In a message dated 29/09/98 08:35:58 BST, you write:

<< I'm new to this list, and thought I'd better introduce myself. >>
Harald,
welcome, nice to meet you !

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:52:22 EDT
Subject: Re: Not many series to see

In a message dated 29/09/98 01:23:58 BST, you write:

<< I see land rovers all over the roads every time I go somewhere, and I can
 assure you: They are still cooler than j**ps. At least for me they are. >>
I concur counsellor.

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:52:43 EDT
Subject: Re: Beginning of the end for LR?

In a message dated 29/09/98 17:04:47 BST, you write:

 I know they are assembling Discoveries in South Africa, but I was not
 aware they are assembling Defenders as well.  In any event, these would
 be for the regional market and not for re-import to the UK. 

 I
 suspect the BMW board of directors would love to get rid of it or revamp
 its design to make it economically viable from a manufacturing
 standpoint.
  >>

Land Rover have announced that the Defender will remain on the books but
manufacture (for the whole world) will be moved to South Africa.....

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:52:41 EDT
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Grill badges

In a message dated 29/09/98 13:50:54 BST, you write:

<< >Bloody Knuckles Pub seems to be a "go" as a badge.
 I don't recall seeing any names like this on pubs in England. granted I was 
 only there for a week >>
we've got all sorts of silly names here in the UK for pubs  and I don't know a
"Bloody Knuckles" which is one reason why I like it....
however, although it is not normal to have "Pub" in the name that's 'cos the
building is usually fairly obvious..... stickers (decals US?) usually carry
the word Pub or Public House to sort of explain what the sticker is all
about...
therefore I see no reason why "Pub" shouldn't be on the badge

and, surely, part of having it is for it to be silly :-)>

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:52:20 EDT
Subject: Re: Numbers - Sightings

In a message dated 29/09/98 00:52:37 BST, you write:

 By the way, I've got the top off of my second Range Rover, (pounding out
 dents, not mine, previous owner).  Any trouble come to your mind for open air
 driving this fine unit? >>
Zack.
given the side frames and rear "goalpost" I would guess that the vehicle will
do ok if the weather holds.
BTW when you want to put the top back on you'll find that the flat ended self-
tapper screws are a bitch to poke into the holes. In the UK we tend to replace
them with same sized but with points on - helps locating the holes..

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: William Leacock <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:23:05 -0400
Subject: Stuck in 4 wd

Carl - there should be a spring to lift up the yellow knob when the hi low
transfer lever is in low. Put the  hi low lever in low, lift up the yellow
knob, 50 to 75 mm of travel, whilst holding the knob up change the transfer
box to hi.
 if it is still stuck in 4 wd, jack up the front of the LR and rotate the
heel to and fro. Thsi works if you have transmission wind up caused by 4 wd
use on hard surfaces where the tyres cannot slip to release the load.
 if the problem persists then remove the floor from the left side ( when
viewed from the front ) this will expose the front of the front drive part
of the transfer box. You will note that where the hi low lever is fitted
that there is a cover with two pieces of tube, this needs to be removed to
expose a couple of shafts, the one nearest the side is spring loaded and may
be dirty, particularly on a vehicle which is rarely used in 4 wd. Sprasy
some oil on this shaft so that it can be moved in and out easily, this
should rectify the situation, oil it well and put it all back together.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "Thomas Ezendam" <t.ezedam@tip.nl>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 00:54:29 +0200
Subject: Introduction and questions

Hi all,
My name is Thomas Ezendam and I live in Tilburg, Holland. I'm 30 years old
and I live with my girlfriend for 10 years. A picture of me holding my pet
racoon called Arakun can be seen on this URL:
http://www.zip.com.au/~greentre/pauls6.htm

My biggest hobby is bredding tarantulas. Maybe a strange hobby to you guys
but believe me, there are far more people involved in this as you might
think. Pictures of tarantulas and of my spiderroom are located at:
http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/dante/255/thomas.html

I don't own a Landrover yet but I'm really thinking about buying one right
now. Someone offered me a 1969 Series II 109" pick up for a pretty good
price (I think). Last Sunday I went checking it out and the car is Ok upto
the rearend of the chassis and the bottom of the doors. Also one of the
bearings in the generator is bad. My big question is if the chassis part is
exchangeable and how much that would cost. It's the end tube and the two
tubes that go there (sorry don't know how to say this in proper English). I
have been looking in various magazines and all I could find were new prices.
There must be some secondhand parts around, right? Preferably in England or
closer. Maybe one of you guys can help me out on this?

For the rest, I own a Unimog 404.1 Radiobox. I have swapped the engine to a
250 and it's running really good now. The first engine was blown up (heat
problem: broken thermostat and temp. gauge on the first day driving).

Thanks and regards,
Thomas Ezendam
Tilburg, Holland

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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 04:57:46 -0700
Subject: Re: Winch Advice - access to starter dog?

>What are your recommendations regarding winchs? (Warn, Husky, Superwinch)
Warn. End of Story.  Everyone who WORKS with a 4x4 every day such as
loggers and Oil drillers in my hometown swear by the Warn 8274.  Every
other winch mfg will compare their winches to this one so that should say
something for it.
>My main dilemma is how to mount.
Mount above the bumper. I've seen this done with a 8274 and it looks great.
good luck

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
				Dennis Miller

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From: "H.Rutherford" <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:13:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Tyre chains

Ya'll,
   Anyone who drives in snow and ice should carry a pair of old chains in
the boot (trunk), any size or type will do. They are useful as ballast for
traction when you are moving, and if you get stuck, ** lay them on the
ground in front of the drive wheels, the tires will grip them. Instead of
spinning, they will provide traction and allow you to advance the length of
the chains. This could be as much as 5 or 6 feet** Had my farm tractor stuck
in an icy rut, no reasonable amount of sand would help, but an old rusty
tire chain on each side did the trick. (Where did I get the sand in winter,
you might ask? It helps to have a dirt floor in the barn.) I now have chains
on the tractor, and chains IN the VW Rabbit diesel. Hope this helps someone
out this winter.

                                                          H. Rutherford
                                                          '62 SerIIa "Gromit" 
                                                          '63 Turner MkIII 1500
                                                          '81 VW Rabbit diesel 

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:19:53
Subject: Grill badges

OK, I think I have room for at least one more. So, put me down please (for
a grill badge!) 8^0.

Jim Wolf

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:24:29
Subject: O.D. GONE?

> Today I finally decided to buy an overdrive.  Called around and found out
>that the Fairey overdrive is no longer available.

Where did you call? Where are you located? I believe Brit. Pac. sells them
still and Rovers North. They are made by Superwinch now, but are the same.

Jim Wolf

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From: "P. Daub" <pdaub@namibnet.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 04:43:27 +0200
Subject: Gearbox Oil

Could somebody please advice me, as to what gearbox oil is suitable for the 
TDI 110 manual 5 speed gearbox. The book recommends ATF. This sounds 
incorrect.
Thank you

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:13:27 -0500
Subject: Re: O.D. GONE? 

In message <bulk.27417.19980930182508@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:

> > Today I finally decided to buy an overdrive.  Called around and found out
> >that the Fairey overdrive is no longer available.
> Where did you call? Where are you located? I believe Brit. Pac. sells them
> still and Rovers North. They are made by Superwinch now, but are the same.

	Superwinch has ceased production of the unit.  British Pacific 
called Superwinch USA, Superwinch UK and LR only to find that there are no
more available units.  Rumor has it the the RN price just jumped to $1200
each.  Basically what is left are that which people had in stock.   

	T.I. Console has a web page with a modified Toro unit for $1200,
but that unit has yet to be made.

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: "Wise Owl Innovation Incorporated" <wiseowl@direct.ca>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:22:17 -0700
Subject: Re: O.D. GONE?

James this is Ray Wood at Wise Owl innovations (check out our website at
www.bcoffroad.com/wiseowl) we have a few overdrives left at US$850.00.

----------
> From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: O.D. GONE?
> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 2:24 PM
> > Today I finally decided to buy an overdrive.  Called around and found

out
> >that the Fairey overdrive is no longer available.
> Where did you call? Where are you located? I believe Brit. Pac. sells
them
> still and Rovers North. They are made by Superwinch now, but are the
same.

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From: Edward Alexander <ncredox@mindspring.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 00:33:57 -0400
Subject: Looking for a 109 and 88

I regularly read the coiler list and I've become interested in getting a
leafer now.  I like the 109, and I haven't decided on which series.  I want
a vehicle that is driveable, have a decent frame, but still needs some work,
since I like to get my hands dirty and a restored Rover=$$$$$.  Where should
I begin my quest for the 109?  What should I expect to spend?  Are parts
still readily available?  Any advice on shopping or opinions on which series
would be best would be greatly appreciated.
--Ed

Edward D. Alexander, President, Theta Chi Fraternity
Delta Rho Chapter--NCSU
NCRedOx@mindspring.com
website http://www.thetachi-ncsu.org

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From: SFmms@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 01:00:37 EDT
Subject: Americans love of guns (LR content)

Hi all:

As if owning a gun in the US was not enough: in Port Hueneme (about 40 miles
north of mein California), a shipment of Land Rovers and Jaguars was received
along with - a functional SCUD missile and launcher. It was shipped out from
England for a military enthusiast in California, but the guidance system and
engine were not disabled as required by law. Recalling an other incident where
a Disco got loose and damaged a number of Discos during shipping - imagine a
LRNA official trying to convince Lloyd's of London to pay for SCUD missile
damage to a shipment of Land Rovers....

Regards,

Karen Sindir
'74 SIII 88 Red Rufy
'95 Disco EFE

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From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:40:43 -0700
Subject: Re: regarding daily drivers...power steering on siia

Ray,

Bob Bernard (bobnsueb@maxinet.com) has done this.  I haven't seen it, but I've
heard it's a masterpiece.  Drop him a line, and he can give you and idea what it
will involve.  BTW, he got the parts out of a wreking yard here in the US.

Oh, yeah, and do whatever you want to your rover and don't let anyone give you
grief about it.

C

Ray Harder wrote:
8<
> anyway, to make the daily driving more enjoyable, i
> would like to fit a power steering unit -- bolt on,
> no welding (does that make it acceptable?).  
8<

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From: John <john109@geocities.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 00:12:15 -0700
Subject: two new email lists, 101 FC and Ibex

Hi Folks,

Two new lists...

For the 101 Forward Control fans, point the browser at

http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/101

and follow the directions.

For the Ibex fans,

http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/Ibex

John

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 04:07:26 EDT
Subject: Re: Americans love of guns (LR content)

In a message dated 98-10-01 01:02:13 EDT, you write:

<< As if owning a gun in the US was not enough: in Port Hueneme (about 40
miles
 north of mein California), a shipment of Land Rovers and Jaguars was received
 along with - a functional SCUD missile and launcher.  >>

So...what's the problem, aside from you not sounding too keen on gun
ownership? If you don't like the rights we Americans have, then so sad, dad.

As for the SCUD launcher: if the new owner has a class 3 firearms permit, he
can own just about anything he wants, like it or not. I don't know exactly how
they'd de-activate a SCUD launcher, except by removing all the control panels,
but the thing is useless without the missles anyway! (I don't see the BATF
cutting a SCUD launcher in half!) However, I don't think that the owner will
ever get hold of the missles themselves, so really - what's the big deal?
Insurance is insurance, no matter what is involved in an accident.

Besides, if the owner happens to be the person I think he is, he also has an
ex- RUC Land Rover 109, as well as a very clean Ferret Scout Car (beautifully
sounding Rolls-Royce engine!), and lots of big, ugly things that use tracks,
rather than wheels! (he "plays" with them, on his ranch)

Why must people pick on one another, because of their hobbies?

Charles

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 04:17:35 EDT
Subject: Re: Sometimes I'm just blown away (marginal LR)

In a message dated 98-09-30 11:43:40 EDT, you write:

<< Already one countries natural disaster or violent oppression 
 brings rapid responses from other countries around the World.  The world 
 seems to be rapidly be changing to a place where the kind of atrocities 
 brought by the Nazi government on the Jewish people, or the Soviet 
 government brought upon the Ukraine people will be instantly recognized 
 and not tolerated.
 >>

Well my dear, there's still problems in:

Somalia
North Korea
Peru
Honduras
Nicuragua
Nigeria
Congo
Cambodia
Afghanistan
Algeria
Bosnia
Iraq
Iran
Middle East
Phillipines
Haiti

...and the list goes on. Only thing that has changed, is the amount of time
that the news media will pay attention to some of the above hot spots. Some of
these places have been highlighted for years, then suddenly, were never heard
from again - yet they're STILL hot spots.

Charles

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From: "Huub Pennings" <HPS@FS1-KFIH.AZR.NL>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:23:32 +0100
Subject:       Ibex winch set up

Hi Folks,

Has anyone tried the Ibex/Foers winch setup on a Land rover?
This is with the winch buid under the car, and the cable looped 
through a snatchblock in the backbeam and then returning the cable 
trough some tubing to the front of the car where the hook is lokated?
Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:20:03 +1000
Subject: Ethnic Jokes

>    First the Puerto Rican stereo removal comment, then the bashing of
Scots.
>When do the Italian jokes start?

Luis wrote:
>Right after the lawyer jokes finish.

Aahhh!.  So the Italian jokes never get a chance to start?

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:18:36 +1000
Subject: Frank, Frank, Frank!

Adrian Redmond wrote:
>Either Frank's seeing triple, or he's trying to outdo the circulation
>figures for LRO?  Is the major gone bananas - I'm only getting 
>tripos from Frank.

Better than getting tripe from Frank

Ron

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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 11:54:14 +0000 (GMT)

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