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From: Lorri Paustian <lorri@sound.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:15:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Numbers - Sightings

NAS is short for North American Specification.

At 10:42 AM 9/29/98 +0200, you wrote:
>What is NAS ?
>Ciao
> Markus

Lorri Paustian, Flatland Rover Society
Lenexa, Kansas
'95 Coniston Green D90 SW
'95 Arles Blue D90 SW
'93 D110

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From: "Chris Dillard" <cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:22:02 -0400
Subject: Re: "NEW" SERIES 1 Owner

Frank Says,
<<<now wave bye bye to your knuckles :-)>

 Thant's ok frank our 55 Ford Tractor has already taken care of building up
the callouses. I think that I'm beginning to see a pattern here with the
5's.

Oh well, Now I just need to pick the beasts up!

Cheers,
Christopher d.
95 Disco
55 Ser 1 (The grey something!!)noname
55 Ser 1 (The green, well almost green, hornet)
55 Ford Tractor

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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:25:58 EDT
Subject: Scott's Fling

In a message dated 98-09-28 23:51:18 EDT, you write:

<< And as far as content goes, she's the one that I'm gonna
 be in england with getting lost in a rented rover... =:) >>
 
 AAhhh, to be young again.  I remember the days of running around foreign
countries with exotic beauties.  Have a blast!  You'll be old someday, also.

Enzo

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 98 08:52:56 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: Grill badges 

> I got a number of interested 'hits' on the subject of Grill Badges. The > 
>Bloody Knuckles Pub seems to be a "go" as a badge.

I don't recall seeing any names like this on pubs in England. granted I was 
only there for a week, but most of them have their names patterned a certain 
way. Usually a one syllable word followed by a two syllabel word. i.e, the rat 
and carrot, the rat and parrot, fawn and firkin, etc. Either that or 
"Somebbody's Arms". There were exceptions, such as the Lillie Langtree which 
sort of follows the same pattern anyway. I know, I know, there are exceptions 
to every rule and you guys have already decided on it, but it really doesn't 
sound like a real pub. I don't remember any of them actually having PUB in the 
name and well, I just don't think it sounds authentically British. I would love 
to have an LRO list grille badge but not if it is going to be silly.

Sorry
dave
PS here are some other ideas

the rod and rocker
the thumb and hammer
the scotch and bonnet
the knave and knocker
the tired arms?

except for use on an LRO list grille badge, 

All contens of this message copyright 1998 David R. Bobeck

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:00:14 +0100
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Grill badges 

: the rod and rocker
: the thumb and hammer
: the scotch and bonnet
: the knave and knocker
: the tired arms?

These are pretty good, actually... but the badge is gonna be like
the www.land-rover.team.net logo, right? it's really not gonna
have any blood or any knuckles on it...

-Scott

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From: "Chris Dillard" <cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:56:41 -0400
Subject: Series 1 Q's

Question,
having 2 late (according to serial #) 1955 series 1 rovers. I know that in
56 they extended to the 88 inch wheelbase right before the ser II. Will ser
II parts be interchangable with late ser I parts? I have heard yes and no!!
Just curious what the "official" word (from those that know) is?

Cheers for now!

Christopher (makin' a list o' parts) Dillard
95 Disco
55 Series I  (The Grey ???) not yet named
55 Series I  ( The Green, well almost green, Hornet)

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From: "Jos de Vries" <vriesde7@dutccis.ct.tudelft.nl>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:03:23 +0000
Subject: Re: Date for Series 3

John Scott wrote:
> One of my 3 LRs is a series 3, chassis No.90105230A, first registered on
> Jan 12 1973.  In order to avoid paying Road Tax from next year, I need
> to produce evidence that the vehicle was manufactured in 1972.  This
> seems highly probable, but can you help me with any supporting
> evidence?

The factory in Solihull will give you the data for free,

fax/write to

Eric Pagan
Project Eng., Tracebility  
Lode Lane,Solihull
West Midlands B92 8NW

tel : 0121 700 4524 direct line

did this is august, got the answer 10 days later by mail.

greetings

Jos de Vries

Land Rover SANTANA 109 D SW SIII '71 
Land Rover 88 P STP ex-mod '75

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From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:13:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: regarding daily drivers...power steering on siia

i guess little lulu is a daily driver to and from
work (3miles) but not for hauling or drives to grandma.

anyway, to make the daily driving more enjoyable, i
would like to fit a power steering unit -- bolt on,
no welding (does that make it acceptable?).  i know there
is one advertised in LRO, but i nolonger subscribe to
that as i cannot rationalize their price structure.

anyway, the question:  "...does anyone know of some
power steering components that i might find at a usa
salvage yard from some popular vehicle that could be
fitted to a sii 88.  and if it didn't work, could be
taken off..."  details, drawings, websites appreciated.

Sincerely,

Ray Harder -- 61 siia (little lulu -- aka, experimental)

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From: Terje Krogdahl <tekr@nextel.no>
Date: 29 Sep 1998 12:48:13 +0200
Subject: Re: tubes or tubeless??

Harald Hansen <harald74@online.no> writes:

> past year, running tubes in tubeless tires.  When I got the last one
> fixed, the tyre shop told me that it was some kind of small blocks on
> the inside of the tyre that had rubbed against the tube, puncturing it. 
> BTW, I'm running on 7.50R16 BFG Trac Edge on LR steel rims.  Lovely
> tires!

Been there, done that. TracEdges come with these lovely little
stickers on the inside. Two or three in each tyre, and I guess
they all say "remove before fitting tyre" :-)

-- 
Terje Krogdahl
Norwegian Land Rover Club
www.land.rover.no
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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From: Terje Krogdahl <tekr@nextel.no>
Date: 29 Sep 1998 12:26:37 +0200
Subject: Re: Ford Pinto conversion

"Wilson, Scott" <wilsons@msmail.vislab.com> writes:

> Yeah, I gave it a shot... I wanted my conversion to be
> somewhat original, so I took out my original gas tank and just
> ran the fuel line to one of the Jerry cans I had hanging off my
> back bumper. Luckily, I was running with no top and my
> windshield down that day and was thrown clear of the blast.

Keep laughing... but here in Norway a couple of odd fellows have
converted an old 88" to coiler/V8. The fuel tank had to go,
as one of the supports for the rear axle were competing
for the space.

The fuel tanks of this vehicle is now two Jerry cans permanently mounted
on the rear door. Yes, the vehicle is MOT'd...

-- 
Terje Krogdahl
Norwegian Land Rover Club
www.land.rover.no
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:51:34 -0500
Subject: Looking for John Cranfield

Jonh, are you and Muddy out there?
Please contact me direct.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Peter <nosimport@mailbag.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:01:23 -0700

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From: rovah@agate.net
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:14:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 1998 Owl's Head Land Rover Rally

Just an update for those travelling Downeast to the Rally this coming
weekend.  If you haven't pre-registered for Saturday's off-road day, you
can still come, but there will be no free lunch provided for you.  Lunch
will be available only to those that have let us know they're coming.
So...if you know you're coming, e-mail me by Wednesday noon....
    The event is free, and pre-registration shows that we have a good group
coming.  We hope that you will consider coming up to visit us during this
beautiful time of year!  :-)

Regards, John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323rd Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game
<http://www.tstonramp.com/~kahuna/index.html>

2 Wheels: 1970 Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1998 SE Discovery "Chukka," 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966
Series IIA 88" "SWAMBO,"  1963 Unimog 404.1-S "The Caterpiller,"  1968
Porsche 911L, Series 109" Project

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:22:31 -0500
Subject: RE: Snow???

>Okay, Luis... do I have to start correcting YOUR english...
>don't even get me started....

No, please! I had enough of that on school. I'll be a good boy.

:0]

Now, seriously, the Ρ is the only original, authentic and unique letter that
was left on the spanish language after it was struck by globalization and
European Economic Comunity (is that the right translation?)
In their quest for standarizing everything they took off the "CH" and the
"LL" as letters, but for now the "Ρ" is still standing. And it is their
worst nightmare, since it messes up their computer keyboard standard.

I have to put some mis-spelled LR content here: Yesterday I changed the
shocks, all 4 of them. I was very happy at first, but then I realized there
was a side effect to it. The fact that the car wasn't able to move up and
down to its pleasure with the new shocks made it find a way to move:
Sideways.
There is one bushing on the "stabillizer bar" (?) allowing some freeplay,
and 3 ball joints waiting for replacement. I think I won't be able to delay
it no more.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Wise Owl Innovation Incorporated" <wiseowl@direct.ca>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:28:50 -0700
Subject: Limericks

There was an old Rover Called "Dagwood'
Who was towed with his redknob pulled backward
This caused him great pain
He was heard to exclaim
"My mainshaft's now totally knackered"

Check out the Wise Owl Web page

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From: Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:36:38 -0700
Subject: Re: Date for Series 3

>We (SLROC) have no way telling when any particular vehicle was
>assembled.  Certainly the chassis number indicates a Series 3 produced
>between 1962 & 1979, serial number 5230.

Well, we DO know that SIII's weren't built until '71, don't we?  That
halves the time frame. Also the "A" suffix might narrow that down some
more.  Did serial #'s start at 0001?  

todd

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From: lisa.drahorad@sap-ag.de (Lisa Drahorad)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:25:03 +0200 (METDST)
Subject: Grill Badge

Please put me down for 3.

Lisa Drahorad
rovergrl@hotmail.com

90 RR County
69 Triumph GT6+
91 Toyota MR2 turbo

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From: caloccia@senie.com
Date: 29 Sep 1998 15:07:44 -0000
Subject: LRO / RRO grille badge (like the one with the list logo on it...)

Yeah, all right, so we're not deef.

As for the nay sayers, that it would not be possible to turn the LRO plaque
into a grill badge, well, the jury is still out.

Artwork is in progress for the plaque as a grille badge, probably in
something like 3x4.5 inches (much larger and you'll get no air at all !)
in five colours ....  

After a few folks have commented on it, I'll send out the URL for it...

-B

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:06:50 -0700
Subject: design input

Ok, now is a chance for you artistic types AND mechanical types to offer
some input...............

I would like a graphic idea that represents both the old and the new Land
Rovers.

One such example is: Coil and Leaf springs.
otherwise, I am left with, ahhhhhh - the Land Rover logo?

working hard on a design for the Grill Badge, with some of the top people on
it.......

Cheers
David
Full-time father of a 3.7 year old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 98 10:57:17 -0500
Subject: Re[4]: Grill badges  

: the rod and rocker
: the thumb and hammer
: the scotch and bonnet
: the knave and knocker
: the tired arms?

>These are pretty good, actually...

thanks :)

> but the badge is gonna be like the www.land-rover.team.net 
>logo, right? it's really not gonna have any blood or any 
>knuckles on it...

except after trying to undo those stubborn bolts holding the front valance in 
place...

I admit I didn't read any of the grille badge messages except for the one i 
replied to earlier. What is the badge *actually* going to look like?

later
dave

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From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:45:43 -0500
Subject: Re:  Gator Grip - NOT!!

>>>>> "Paul" == Paul Nash <paul@frcs.alt.za> writes:

    >> <<Anyone got any bright ideas how I might be able to
    >> get the little blighter out?? - I've tried adjustable
    >> spanners, mole grips, hammer and chisel and it won't
    >> shift (and consequently the plug is V. mangled).
    Paul> Last time I had to do this with some *very* mangled
    Paul> filler plugs, I used a monkey wrench (Stillson
    Paul> wrench), as used by plumbers and farmers the world
    Paul> over.  The jaws are heavily serrated and wrap around
    Paul> whatever is being gripped, so that they bite tighter
    Paul> with more force.

    Paul> Throw the plugs away once you've done this, and keep
    Paul> the wrench for undoing seriously rusted plumbing
    Paul> couplings.

If there's enough meat left, sometimes drilling a hole
_through_ the plug sideways and sticking in an appropriately
sized drift and whacking it with a deadblow (and sometimes
applying heat-cycles) will break it free.  I got a frozen sump
plug off my tranny this way...
							-MM

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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:40:44 EDT
Subject: Overdrive Question

    Today I finally decided to buy an overdrive.  Called around and found out
that the Fairey overdrive is no longer available.  I can get the Toro or
switch to 3.73 rear gears.  Any ideas which way I should go?  Any experience
with the Toro, anyone?  I don't really want to switch to a different ratio, as
it's perfect off road the way it is.  
Thanks

Enzo

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:02:27 -0700
Subject: Re: Beginning of the end for LR?

From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:01:39 EDT
Subject: Re: Beginning of the end for LR?

In a message dated 28/09/98 17:17:35 BST, you write:

<<  It takes between three and four times as many
 manhours to assemble a Defender as it does to assemble a Discovery or
 Range Rover. >>

>yes, but Land Rover (or their Press Office anyway) say that, as so much
of the
Defender is still ser 3 (most of the body in fact!) they have recouped
development costs many times over, so the Defender is still a viable
product.
The man hours problem they're solving by going to South Africa for
cheaper
labour.

I know they are assembling Discoveries in South Africa, but I was not
aware they are assembling Defenders as well.  In any event, these would
be for the regional market and not for re-import to the UK.  A friend of
mine who used to be in Land Rover's factory management told me in the
early '90s that Land Rover (at that time) would love to dump the
Defender once and for all and concentrate on newer, cheaper-to-produce
vehicles like the Discovery.  Today, of course, they have the
Freelander, as well.  But Land Rover no longer manufacturers anything .
Virtually every part of every vehicle (I don't know about the
Freelander, however) is made by a supplier, most in the Birmingham area.
To my knowledge the only thing actually made in Solihull are the
engines, and even they are made from castings and rough machinings
supplied by outside vendors.  As far as the Defender, Discovery, and
Range Rover go, the Land Rover factory is just like Boeing's assembly
plants.  Nothing is actually made there, only assembled.

It's irrelavent that the company has recouped the development costs,
which were minimal anyway as the design dates from 1946.  The company is
paying major bucks to the suppliers to have the parts cut and stamped
out and the frames welded up (Land Rover stopped making their own frames
in 1992 or thereabouts).  And as I said earlier, the Defender assembly
line itself is incredibly labor intensive.  A Defender is even a pain in
the butt to paint, compared to the other Land Rover vehicles.  By
today's manufacturing standards, the Defender is a dinosoar, and I
suspect the BMW board of directors would love to get rid of it or revamp
its design to make it economically viable from a manufacturing
standpoint.

When I visited the factory in the early 90s and again a couple of years
ago to do a bit of filming, the labor differences between the Range
Rover and Defender lines were instantly obvious.  The Range Rover line
looks like any other car line, running smoothly with a minimum of human
effort.  The Defender line, on the other hand, looks like a bunch of
people swarming around building a row of giant Revell kits, which in
effect is exactly what they are doing.  The body panels are even mounted
on big sprues for painting and transportation. Given the high cost of
labor these days, the Defender is simply no longer economical to make at
a competitive cost.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:10:35 -0700
Subject: Re: design input

you could abstract:
instead of drawing a leaf spring and a coiled spring, you could superimpose
a coiled snake on a (Maple? Oak?) leaf.  maybe offset the snake to the left
to imply that Coils preceeded Leaves.  Other symbols?

my $.01999999999

At 06:06 PM 9/28/98 -0700, you wrote:

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 98 09:22:48 -0700
Subject: Re: LRO / RRO grille badge (like the one with the list logo on it...)

Since the official group logo is shaped like a European rally plate, how 
about doing it on a rally plate.  It could be stenseled on paint.  Moss 
Motors has them made up for some of their events.  They can probably 
point you to the proper vendor.

Then people could mount them in the front middle of their roof racks or 
on the other side of their license plates.  It might be cheaper than an 
enamled grill badge & I think it would look better.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:31:21 -0700
Subject: Ram Raiders choose Land Rover (was Seeing the Series Rigs)

[spamkill: @yahoo\. input: %s]	 From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:36:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Seeing the Seies Rigs

>According to local info, the Cherokee line is the most popular vehicle
with car thieves over here. I guess they are a status symbol in the
old eastern block coutries...

I have a good friend who owns a commercial vehicle hire company in the
UK, Stockport to be exact, which is in the greater Manchester area.  For
the past eight years or so we have rented Land Rovers from him when we
are on vacation in the UK.  The insurance (which the hirer has to pay)
on a 4wd is extremely high in the UK, approaching the hire cost of the
vehicle itself.  One reason for this is the popularity of 4wds (and
vans) with ram raiders.  The Land Rover Defender and Discovery are
particularly desirable to ram raiders as their relatively strong body
and frame construction can break through the front wall or window of a
store and sustain relatively little damage.

My friend told me that when Jeep Cherokees, and later Grand Cherokees,
were introduced in the UK, there was a rash of thefts by ram raiders who
wanted to drive the latest flash vehicles.  According to my friend,
who's had several Land Rovers and vans stolen by ram raiders as well as
thieves who supply vehicles to eastern Europe (one of his Defender 90s
ended up in Afganistan), the ram raiders quickly gave up on the Jeeps.
Their fibreglass tailgates and generally lightweight bodies and chassis
collapsed completely upon being rammed through the front of a store to
the point where the vheicles often could not be driven away.  So
regardless of what the car magazine reviews and JD Powers might say
about the wonders of the Jeep, take the advice of the ram raiders and
stick to the Land Rover.  Unlike the Jeep, a Land Rover will see you
through the toughest job.

My friend now has all his vehicles equipped with GPS locators and SATCOM
transmitters which are monitored by a security company 24 hours a day.
If the vehicle moves anywhere in England/Wales/Scotland without the
alarm being deactivated, which takes a special key, the security company
immediately notifies my friend's company.  If the movement is deemed
suspicious by the hire company, the security company immdieately
notifies the appropriate police department.

Not long after my friend began having these systems installed, a thief
stole one of his new Discoveries at a Manchester gas station.  As the
driver stepped out, the thief climbed in the other side and drove off.
The driver called my friend's company, who notified the security
company. The security company noted the vehicle's current position and
called the Manchester police.  It so happened that the Manchester police
had just had a bunch of new GPS positioning and tracking equipment
fitted to one of their helicopters and it was up being tested.  The
police radioed the vehicle's position and direction to the helicopter
which found the Discovery and directed the nearest ground unit to it.
What was amazing was that the elapsed time between the security
company's call to the police and the arrest was 2-1/2 minutes.  Of
course, they lucked out because the helicopter was alread flying in the
area.  My friend was put on national television to recount the
effectiveness of the GPS-SATCOM security system as part of the UK's
effort to curb auto thefts.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: slade@dreamlab.cc (Michael Slade)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:29:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: LRO / RRO grille badge (like the one with the list logo on it...)

TeriAnn wrote...

>Since the official group logo is shaped like a European rally plate, how

>about doing it on a rally plate.  It could be stenseled on paint.  Moss

>Motors has them made up for some of their events.  They can probably

>point you to the proper vendor.

>Then people could mount them in the front middle of their roof racks or

>on the other side of their license plates.  It might be cheaper than an

>enamled grill badge & I think it would look better.

Now *THAT* is something that I'd be interested in.

Is there a URL where one can look at the thing, or have I just been out to
lunch (again).

Later,

Michael Slade
Portland, Oregon
www.DreamLab.cc

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:35:31 -0700
Subject: rally plate

GREAT idea TeriAnn, I would jump on one of those.............

Put me in for a Rally Plate - if they become real.........something <more>
for my roof rack

Cheers
David
Full-time father of a 3.7 year old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: slade@dreamlab.cc (Michael Slade)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:47:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: rally plate

>GREAT idea TeriAnn, I would jump on one of those.............
>Put me in for a Rally Plate - if they become real.........something <more>
>for my roof rack

This will help aerodynamics right???

Michael Slade
Portland, Oregon
www.DreamLab.cc

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 98 12:58:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Overdrive Question 

>> the Fairey overdrive is no longer available.  I can get the Toro or switch 
>>to 3.73 rear gears.  Any ideas which way I should go?.. I don't really want 
>>to switch to a different ratio, as it's perfect off road the way it is.  

in light of the new situation with the overdrives, I would suggest chenging the 
transfe box gearing. this affects the high range only. From my experience, high 
range is a little too low for road use, and a slightly taler gearing would be 
nice. I also think the overdrive is perhaps geared a little too high. Something 
a bit lower that could still pull up a hill at 60 mph with 7.50-16's on. What 
are these 3.73 gears you refer too?Some sort of custom conversion? Don't change 
the diff gearing, then it will affect low range. transfer box mod is nice too 
sice it allows PTO use unlike the OD.
later
dave

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 98 10:42:47 -0700
Subject: Re: rally plate

>>GREAT idea TeriAnn, I would jump on one of those.............
>>Put me in for a Rally Plate - if they become real.........something <more>
>>for my roof rack

;>This will help aerodynamics right???

Right!  You mount it so that the bottom is forward of the top 
creating..oh say a 25 degree angle and the plate becomes a wing that 
pushes down on the Land Rover helping it maintain traction. Also by 
gently lifting the air flow up over the roof rack it provides a dead air 
space for things mounted to your rack behind the plate creating a 
streamlining effect that allows you to reach higher speeds faster and 
providing an increase in fuel mileage.

So anyone have a position for an out of work marketing manager??  ;*)

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:37:33 -0700
Subject: Re: Overdrive Question

Jpslotus27@aol.com wrote:
>     Today I finally decided to buy an overdrive.  Called around and found out
> that the Fairey overdrive is no longer available.  I can get the Toro

	Have you checked with Superwinch? Only months ago they still sold
Fairey in both overdrive and underdrive configurations. I have heard
from many people however that the Toro is a stronger and better unit, so
if you can afford it, I would go with that one. I wouldn't change
gearing myself as I like the lowest gearing possible off road.

Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88"

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:22:46 EDT
Subject: Re: Gator Grip - NOT!!

Sorry, Monkey wrenches are not serrated.  Pipe wrenches are.  Good solution
though and one I endorse.

Zack

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:21:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Overdrive Question 

> Jpslotus27@aol.com wrote:
> >     Today I finally decided to buy an overdrive.  Called around and found o
> > that the Fairey overdrive is no longer available.  I can get the Toro

	This is a late breaking story.  I know that Rovers North found out
last week about Superwinch dropping the OD.  British Pacific has posted
to the mendo_recce list the same thing and that they are unable to find
any more new OD units.   Some spare parts still exist (for now) and BP is  
willing to recondition ODs on an exchange basis.

	Reportedly some Toro ODs exist at DAP and/or Great Basin Rovers 
for about $1200 US each.  

	So, noone should throw out old ODs anymore.  They can be scavenged
for parts.

Ben, who is happy that he just bought a new one last month and has the remains
     of two for spares.
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: "Wise Owl Innovation Incorporated" <wiseowl@direct.ca>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:31:11 -0700
Subject: Re: Overdrive Question

Jim we have fairey overdrives still price is US$850 c

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> From: jimfoo@uswest.net
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Re: Overdrive Question
> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 11:37 AM
> Jpslotus27@aol.com wrote:
> >     Today I finally decided to buy an overdrive.  Called around and

found out

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:00:01 EDT
Subject: Fwd: Federal-Mogul Announces Oil Conditioning Business On New...

Bill Adams, you might want to look into this ;o)
Nate

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From: "Rover Jester" <roverjester@my-dejanews.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:10:09 -0700
Subject: re: landrover jokes...

Well this is the only Landrover joke I've seen...all the rest are generic slagg 
of on the British jokes.  Thanks Jason!

Q: How many Land Rover Owners does it take to change a light bulb?

A: 21; One to install the bulb, 10 to argue if genuine parts bulbs are
really better than aftermarket parts bulbs, 10 to argue the advantages of
coil-bulbs over leaf-bulbs.

-----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==-----
http://www.dejanews.com/  Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:33:34 -0300
Subject: Re: '88 II A   GENERATOR

Pennock wrote:
>         ANYONE OUT THERE????  if i pull the bulb out of the generator
> warning light will it silve the "dead battery" problem? would that be the
> "ostrich-in-the sand" schtick?  I've tried every thing else.

 There are two thing that will cause this problem aside from a short in
the system. 1 the voltage regulator is sticking.
            2 the battery has an internal short.
Try taking the ground cable off the battery when leaving the LR for a
while, if the battery still goes dead it is in the battery if not then
the regulator is the problem. To check the regulator, take the cover off
the regulator and run the vehicle switch off as you observe the contacts
in the regulator, they should snap apart as the charge drops to nothing.
    John and Muddy

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From: "Hanna, David S" <david.s.hanna@lmco.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:15:23 -0600
Subject: RE: Link to your site??

TeriAnn,
Please include a link to the Solihull Society at 
http://www.solihullsociety.org

Also, feel free to add your link to our links page at
http://www.solihullsociety.org/addlink.html

Thanks
Dave Hanna
Solihull Society Webmaster

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From: "Jos de Vries" <vriesde7@dutccis.ct.tudelft.nl>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:16:26 +0000
Subject: Re: Overdrive Question

ben wrote: 
"	This is a late breaking story.  I know that Rovers North 
found out last week about Superwinch dropping the OD.  British 
Pacific has posted to the mendo_recce list the same thing and that 
they are unable to find any more new OD units.   Some spare parts 
still exist (for now) and BP is  willing to recondition ODs on an 
exchange basis.
	Reportedly some Toro ODs exist at DAP and/or Great Basin Rovers 
for about $1200 US each.  "

I hear the guy who sells the parabolics also sells the Santana 
(toro?) OD for dfl 1600,- ex vat (about $800). shipping must be 
cheaper than $400 (no connection)

greetings

Jos de Vries

Land Rover SANTANA 109 D SW SIII '71 
Land Rover 88 P STP ex-mod '75

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:08:01 +0200
Subject: Re: Beginning of the end for LR?

"Faure, Marin" wrote:
> The man hours problem they're solving by going to South Africa for
> cheaper
> labour.

Huh! We got that base covered already...

The National Union of Metalworkers of SA is out on strike at the moment
(week 5) for an 18% wage increase - with GDP growing at >2% and
inflation at about 6%.
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:58:30 -0400
Subject: Radio resussitation

>Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com> wrote:

>About ten years ago I managed to dump a full tumbler of rye and coke (not
>something I'm terribly fond of drinking since scotch is far better to both
>humans and machines) down the vent holes of a very new Sony Trinitron TV.  

That's nothing...had one of my cats piss into the back of a new TV a while
back...not much, but it sure made a mess on the "motherboard" inside.  Had
the set been on at the time, I'm sure he would've died on the spot.

Put the TV in the tub and poured a gallon of distilled water over the
exposed motherboard.  Followed that up with 95% isopropanol and left a fan
blowing on it for the afternoon.  Worked great...until the next lightning
storm....

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: William Leacock <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:20:04 -0400
Subject: Rocker salvage

Worn rockers can be salvaged by stelliting the face,  The hardening is very
shallow.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: William Leacock <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:23:52 -0400
Subject: Tubes

Art, -  I suggest that you run tubes in your radial tyres, however ensure
that you buy quality tubes from Avon or Michelin which are designed for
radial tyres.
 There are a lot of cheap tubes around for cross ply tyres which are not
designed for the wall flexing of a radial and they thus wear out quickly.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: Jim Fraser <fraserj@webhart.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:07:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Ford Pinto conversion

At 12:26 PM 9/29/98 +0200, you wrote:
>"Wilson, Scott" <wilsons@msmail.vislab.com> writes:
>> Yeah, I gave it a shot... I wanted my conversion to be
>> somewhat original, so I took out my original gas tank and just
>	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 6 lines)]
>> back bumper. Luckily, I was running with no top and my
>> windshield down that day and was thrown clear of the blast.

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>The fuel tanks of this vehicle is now two Jerry cans permanently mounted
>on the rear door. Yes, the vehicle is MOT'd...

Actually, the pinto conversion used to be very popular with the Willy's crowd.

Jim Fraser

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:29:38 EDT
Subject: Re:  Overdrive Question

In a message dated 9/29/98 12:06:31 PM, you wrote:

<<Today I finally decided to buy an overdrive.  Called around and found out
that the Fairey overdrive is no longer available.  I can get the Toro or
switch to 3.73 rear gears.  Any ideas which way I should go?>>

Make like a Japanese dive bomber... "toro, toro, toro!" and find one.

Sorry, couldn't resist it. (my apologies to any "unsuccessful" kamikazes on
the list, or fans of "Tora! Tora!", the movie)

An added benefit to getting the Toro is the *grass-cutting/lawn mowing
attachment*, which gives you the burliest 4x4 riding mower on your block!
You'd have to double check and see whether it is a mulcher or a bagger...
<Tool-Time sounds here>

Go for it. It will probably outlast your gearbox if kept properly filled with
fluid. The nice thing about it, in comparison to swapping gears, is that when
you don't need it, you can disengage it or even remove it (keep the stuff in
your tool kit so you can field-remove it if necessary).

Good luck, and don't get any *speeding tickets* hahaha.

--pat.

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From: Joseph Broach <jbroach@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:57:11 -0600
Subject: that lro logo

I understand that the ser I and new body RR are used in the logo because
they cover the entire range of LR's. But, really, if there's going to be a
badge or plate, why use the two rovers of which people have the least.
O.K., so the ser I's are still the best looking rover, maybe it can stay.
Then again, there are probably more IIa's than anything and they don't look
THAT much different from the I's. Now the Rangey's another story. How many
listers own a new bodied Range Rover? Can you even put a grill badge on
that thing? And how many of these  have you seen with a big roof rack to
accomodate a rally plate? I say, if it's to be done, use a ser I or II +
either a 90/110 or classic Range Rover.

-joseph and sidney (67 IIa 88)
Missoula, MT

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From: andy Smith <andy@bobstar.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:13:26 +0100
Subject: Re: New face

In message <bulk.128.19980929002505@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Harald Hansen
<harald74@online.no> writes
>Hello!
>I'm new to this list, and thought I'd better introduce myself.
>I'm 24, a student at the Buskerud College of Engineering in Kongsberg,
>Norway.  I've been a LRO for two years now, when I scrapped my old Volvo
>and got a 1976 SIII 88".  I recently sold that car and bought a 1976

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>Regards,
>    Harald
Hey bring the sawdust for the pub floor all we need now is a spitoon!.
Do you remember those Frank?. :).

-- 
andy Smith
1965 ser2a V8 swb ccv/road
1971 ser2a 2.25 swb road
Tamworth Staffs

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From: Jim Fraser <fraserj@webhart.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:18:54 -0400
Subject: Re: regarding daily drivers...power steering on siia

>anyway, the question:  "...does anyone know of some
>power steering components that i might find at a usa
>salvage yard from some popular vehicle that could be
>fitted to a sii 88.  and if it didn't work, could be
>taken off..."  details, drawings, websites appreciated.
>Sincerely,
>Ray Harder -- 61 siia (little lulu -- aka, experimental)
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>Sincerely,
>Ray Harder -- 61 siia (little lulu -- aka, experimental)

Ray, you may want to look at some of the Toyota Landcruiser power steering
conversions.  The LC uses a steering system very similar to the LR and
perhaps the swap would be similar.  The LC conversion uses standard Saginaw
parts I believe.  If you can't find any info email me and I'll search
through my literature and see if I can dig something up for you.....just a
second, here it is:  Advance adapters sell a kit for LC's and early Jeeps
to bypass most of the existing components.  Perhaps a call(1 800 350-2223)
or a visit to their website at advanceadapters.com will help.  If they
can't/won't help you at least order the buyers guide as it describes the
setup.

Hope this helps.

Jim Fraser
'53 80"

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:32:03 EDT
Subject: Re:  that lro logo

In a message dated 9/29/98 6:00:30 PM, you wrote:

<<I say, if it's to be done, use a ser I or II +
either a 90/110 or classic Range Rover.>>

Yeah, I'll vote for a IIa 88 and a 110. Come on Frank, let's hear it for the
110...

--pat.

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:45:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: that lro logo

At 03:57 PM 9/29/98 -0600, Joseph and Sidney, Missoula, MT wrote:
:>I understand that the ser I and new body RR are used in the logo because
:>they cover the entire range of LR's. But, really, if there's going to be a
:>badge or plate, why use the two rovers of which people have the least.

 Wait a minute!!  We have those...  well no, the classic RR actually.

:>O.K., so the ser I's are still the best looking rover, maybe it can stay.
:>Then again, there are probably more IIa's than anything and they don't look
:>THAT much different from the I's. Now the Rangey's another story. How many
:>listers own a new bodied Range Rover? Can you even put a grill badge on
:>that thing? And how many of these  have you seen with a big roof rack to
:>accomodate a rally plate? I say, if it's to be done, use a ser I or II +
:>either a 90/110 or classic Range Rover.

 Well now, you're getting your feet wet with Land Rover politics.
 While hardly anyone wants to volunteer to do anything, as soon as
 YOU do, everyone has a say and wants it their way...  NOW!!  ;)

 We tried incorporating a couple of vehicles in the LROA decal,
 which due to lack of future volunteer graphics efforts turned into
 a t-shirt design too.  We profiled a Disco in front of a D-90.
 The Camel Trophy fame Disco was a good choice because they are the
 most plentiful 'modern' Land Rovers in North America.  The D-90
 was a hard to distinguish from a D-110, the back of the truck was
 not clearly shown.  It was a good choice because it looked 95% like
 a Series Land Rover anyway, only those in the know could tell them
 apart (well, that's most everybody in Land Rover circles and almost
 nobody outside).  Anyway, we got he usual static as to why someones
 favorite model or variant wasn't featured.  Yada, yada, yada.  Well,
 the answer is, because the guy doing the work gets to design it,
 next time volunteer!

 As they say, you can't please everyone, so please yourself.

 By the way, I agree with your choices.  A Series 1 and a D90/or
 classic RR....  obviously for variety it should be a S1 and RR ;)

-Michael  '50-80" '72-88" '89-RR 

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From: "The Stockdales" <mstockdale@mho.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:01:04 -0600
Subject: Seen Driving around

I drive my 59 SII about a 100 miles RT to work every day.
Have done so for many years, Unless of course the time I was
working outside of Penna.  Then I had driven it from
Pittsburgh to St. Louis MO, Pittsburgh to Augusta GA.  Now I
live outside of Denver CO and still drive it about 100 miles
a day.  I have seen other series rigs on the road at various
times, matter of fact I pass one every day (a fellows
secondary vehicle is parked most days since he is out in his
110).  On occasion I have passed others, and there is a D90
owner who exchanges waves with me most mornings and
evenings.  I have seen a 2CV, 2 Unimogs passed in the
opposite direction one day, many VW Things, one of those
other MB's (Gendlewagon or whatever they are called), there
has been a Nissan Patrol in the Denver paper recently, and
tons of the old Broncos, round tail Scouts, etc.

So if you see a series rig driving around Evergreen
Colorado, Its Mine, or Jims, or Jons, or Ralphs, or
Richards, or Rays.  The other Jon is restoring his so its
not running yet.

Mitch and the Red Dinosaur

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From: "M. Tompkins" <mmglass@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:18:35 -0400
Subject: badge/logo/pub

Uh oh - sounds we are turning into a bunch of those
yuppies that buy a Discovery. No intent to offend anyone
on this list but well flame away if you want.

I believed the original  intent was to have a grill badge
that would represent our virtual pub....oh and by the way...
I still prefer "The Rovers"..... A badge with Series vehicles
clearly best represents our virtual pub....my vote a Series I
and a Series III.
I still picture our virtual pub down that path marked by the sign
|     No Road     |
|    Expect for    |
|  Land Rover    |

Put me down for one. 'No Chance' is badge less, and its owner
has to wear a stinking badge to work everyday.

Rover On - Mike
Links to pictures of various events at the following URL
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/8365/index.html

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From: "Clayton Kirkwood" <kirkwood@garlic.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:17:32 -0700
Subject: RE: Halloween noises meet Alignment

Two things that I have tried: both worked with varying success: 1)
unscrew the nut until the bolt top is below the level of the top of
the nut and wack away; 2) get a screw based tie rod puller. These have
2 strong claws that go on either side of the ball joint and a hardened
large diameter screw with a four sided head. Just screw the head down
until it pushes into the indent on the top of the tie rod thread and
keep turning: pops off nicely.

This last solution seems a lot simpler than the fork type removers
which you have to wack on usually from an awkward position.

2c

Clayton Kirkwood
(916) 663-2368
kirkwood@garlic.com

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From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:17:56 +1000 (EST)
Subject: re Toyota swaps

there was a nice S3 LWB in LROC(Vic) with a Chev V8,
Toyota gearbox, transfer case and axles.
It looked perfectly "normal" until you looked
closely at the wheels - slightly wider track
and 6 studs.

Lloyd

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From: "Andrew Gregory" <ravenhk@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:09:08 PDT
Subject: Vehicles For Sale

Dear Sirs,

We currently have the following vehicles for sale which maybe of 
interest to your group / members.  All vehicles are being stored in Hong 
Kong and are in full working condition.  Vehicles are currently Right 
Hand Drive.

MOTORCYCLES

MANUFACTURER	: HONDA
MODEL		: CBX750
YEAR		: ‘92-93
NUMBER		: 50 pieces
AVERAGE MILEAGE	: 60,000 Kilometres
PREVIOUS OWNER	: HKG – Police
FITTINGS	: Standard + full faring, panniers & emergency lights – NO 
RADIO 
PRICE		: HK$10,000.00 per unit (minimum of 10 units)

MANUFACTURER	: YAMAHA
MODEL		: SR250
YEAR		: ‘90-92
NUMBER		: 150 pieces
AVERAGE MILEAGE	: 20-30,000 Kilometres
PREVIOUS OWNER	: HKG
FITTINGS	: Standard
PRICE		: HK$5,000.00 per unit (minimum of 20 units)

AMBULANCES

MANUFACTURER	: MERCEDES BENZ
MODEL		: 310-33
YEAR		: ‘89-90
NUMBER		: 30 pieces
AVERAGE MILEAGE	: 60-70,000 Kilometres
PREVIOUS OWNER	: HKG – Hospital Authority
FITTINGS	: Standard + emergency lights – NO STRETCHER / RADIO 
PRICE		: HK$45,000.00 per unit (minimum of 5 units)

LAND ROVERS

MANUFACTURER	: LAND ROVER (U.K.)
MODEL		: SERIES III (Light Weight,) - PETROL
YEAR		: ‘82-84 + ‘89-90
NUMBER		: 50 pieces
AVERAGE MILEAGE	: Various
PREVIOUS OWNER	: HKG – Police / British Military
FITTINGS	: Standard – NO RADIO 
PRICE		: HK$20-75,000.00 per unit (minimum of 10 units)

MANUFACTURER	: LAND ROVER (U.K.)
MODEL		: SERIES III (90) - PETROL
YEAR		: ‘82-84 + ‘89-90
NUMBER		: 15 pieces
AVERAGE MILEAGE	: Various
PREVIOUS OWNER	: HKG – Police / British Military
FITTINGS	: Standard – NO RADIO 
PRICE		: HK$20-75,000.00 per unit (minimum of 10 units)

MANUFACTURER	: LAND ROVER (U.K.)
MODEL		: SERIES III (110) - PETROL
YEAR		: ‘82-84 + ‘89-90
NUMBER		: 15 pieces
AVERAGE MILEAGE	: Various
PREVIOUS OWNER	: HKG – Police / British Military
FITTINGS	: Standard – NO RADIO 
PRICE		: HK$20-75,000.00 per unit (minimum of 10 units)

MANUFACTURER	: LAND ROVER (U.K.)
MODEL		: STATION WAGON (109) “SOFT-TOP”
YEAR		: ‘82-84 + ‘89-90
NUMBER		: 50 pieces
AVERAGE MILEAGE	: Various
PREVIOUS OWNER	: HKG – Police / British Military
FITTINGS	: Standard – NO RADIO 
PRICE		: HK$20-75,000.00 per unit (minimum of 10 units)

MANUFACTURER	: LAND ROVER (U.K.)
MODEL		: STATION WAGON (109) “HARD-TOP”
YEAR		: ‘82-84 + ‘89-90
NUMBER		: 50 pieces
AVERAGE MILEAGE	: Various
PREVIOUS OWNER	: HKG – Police / British Military
FITTINGS	: Standard – NO RADIO 
PRICE		: HK$20-75,000.00 per unit (minimum of 10 units)

MANUFACTURER	: LAND ROVER (U.K.)
MODEL		: DEFENDER - PETROL
YEAR		: ‘88
NUMBER		: 6 pieces
AVERAGE MILEAGE	: Various
PREVIOUS OWNER	: HKG – Police 
FITTINGS	: Standard – NO RADIO (Running Vehicles – Grade 3)
PRICE		: HK$180,,000.00 (ALL units)

TRUCKS

MANUFACTURER	: BEDFORD (U.K.)
MODEL		: MJ 4x4
YEAR		: ‘84-86
NUMBER		: 12 pieces
AVERAGE MILEAGE	: 20-30,000 Kilometres
PREVIOUS OWNER	: British Military
FITTINGS	: Standard 
PRICE		: HK$55,000.00 per unit 

Mr. Andrew Gregory
Phone:	+[852] 2984-8004
Fax:	+[852] 2984-8004
E-mail:	ravenhk@hotmail.com

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:59:00
Subject: Re: Snow--> Studs/Chains?

	In my previous life, I was from Kalamazoo.  We got snow so deep they
couldn't find the tractors to plow us out.  
Actually, I went almost everywhere in a Volkswagen bug without snow tires.
Never got stuck and I pulled some pretty stupid stunts with that car.  Also
got around in Steamboat with my VW Van for a month in January, once again
without snow tires.  Even blazed a trail out past Steamboat Lake which is a
long way outside Steamboat Springs.  You shouldn't really need chains for a
4x4 with aggressive tires.  Yes I know its possible to get even a 110
stuck, but snow provides a modicum of traction  If your talking about
plowed roads or roads with drifts under two or three feet you should be
able to keep it moving and gravel roads are actually better than paved with
a snow cover.  
	Nothing beats Chains on ice so if you are looking at freezing rain, have
at it.  I believe the chains requirement for most of the passes are aimed
at two wheel drive vehicles.  Once drifts get too high, it takes tractor
clearance to get through and even tractors can get hung up in those
conditions.  The chains won't do you much good in really heavy, or drifting
snow.  Chains are strictly a low speed addition too.  Centrifugal force
builds very rapidly with speed.  If one of the chains should let go, you
can kiss the fender and maybe more goodbye.  	I wouldn't spend more than I
absolutely had to for chains and probably wouldn't spend the money in the
first place unless I knew I was going into the back country without support.
Aloha Peter 

At 12:59 PM 9/28/98 EDT, you wrote:
>I have to drive to Salt Lake in December, and then when I return in

january go
>up to the mountains my sister who lives there is telling me there will be
>snow, etc., up there. I do not want to embarrass LandRoverdom by not having
>the right things to put on the tire. It will be concrete/asphalt up to the
>mountains, then snow on asphalt then just plain snow on snow on dirt.
>I live in Miami. Snow chains aren't sold within 200 miles of me. And this

will
>be this particular vehicle's first winter trip. I'm a tropical person and
only

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From: "Wise Owl Innovation Incorporated" <wiseowl@direct.ca>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:05:31 -0700
Subject: Re: Overdrive Question

Wise Owl has Fairey overdrives in stock US$850 each call 888 880 2600

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> From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Overdrive Question
> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 8:40 AM
>     Today I finally decided to buy an overdrive.  Called around and found

out
> that the Fairey overdrive is no longer available.  I can get the Toro or
> switch to 3.73 rear gears.  Any ideas which way I should go?  Any
experience
> with the Toro, anyone?  I don't really want to switch to a different
ratio, as

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:05:22
Subject: Re: badge/logo/pub

>I still prefer "The Rovers"..... A badge with Series vehicles
>clearly best represents our virtual pub....my vote a Series I
>and a Series III.

Why a series III, are you so wed to plastic that you want that ersatz
grille on the logo.  Its a series I or IIa or nothing for me.  Let me see
what the final product looks like, I may be interested if it really
represents the working rovers.

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:12:51
Subject: power steering on siia

	An 88 with proper tires actually steers quite easily.  Just parallel
parked in a space hardly larger than the car without a problem.  Unless you
have a disability, don't see why you'd need power steering.  You might
check the steering components like the relay to see if you don't have a
stiff spot in the gear.
	Large tires do nothing for performance and greatly increase steering
effort, could that be the problem???  You might try a 205-215 or 7.50 tire
if you do have marshmallows under yours
Aloha Peter

>>anyway, the question:  "...does anyone know of some
>>power steering components that i might find at a usa
>	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 10 lines)]
>>Sincerely,
>>Ray Harder -- 61 siia (little lulu -- aka, experimental)

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:08:27 -1000
Subject: Re: Vehicles For Sale

Ok, so what is the current exchange rate for US$ and HK$?  and will you guys
ship overseas?
Aloha
Pete

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From: Bill Caloccia <caloccia@senie.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:14:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Spamkiller, modified

There were a couple filters which were a bit over-zealous, which is to 
say that all users @btinternet, @ozemail, and via a few other addresses
were getting dropped when they should not have.

As before, all the digests going back to the middle of August have been
re-made and should be available Wednesday morning...

-B

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From: "Robert McCullough" <dieselbob@erols.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:53:41 -0400
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just a warning, if you stop by to enjoy a cup or two of that good Legend =
Porter with robert at the carawagon shanty town, keep an eye on your =
coveralls !!!,  just kiddin', just kiddin'..... hope to see lots of you =
there.......hey robert..... check you later

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From: kiotee@mcn.net (Roy Caldwell)
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:10:12 -1000
Subject: Re: cape horn to alaska, input wanted

John,  How long do they want to take?  Are they intent on just doing roads
or would they like a real American adventure?  I have an idea that could be
fun and have possibilities of including lots of American Rover folks.  The
short of it is that there now is a mapped and surveyed fat tire route along
the Continental divide, from border to border.  Almost 90 plus % id on
Forest Service, BLM or state and county roads and almost all dirt.  Let me
know if you want more info.

Roy - Montana, where the sky is big and real people drive Rovers

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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:26:58 -0400
Subject: pinto carbs
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not that i've ever tried, but in the distant past i've heard of 4 cyl. =
petrol owners having success at  using the carburator? off of the =
pintos. which year or model # i do not know, maybe i have some =
literature around that tells of it.

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:04:04 -0600
Subject: Badges and Foriegn objects in Electronics

    Hi All!!

The Rally type plaque sounds like a winner!!! Perhaps both (badge and
plaque) for us who go topless in the summer. Suggest using the existing
logo-we already got it, go for it!!!

Electronics and drinks-- I spent 20 Years in the USAF as a  Avionics
Technician. One of our favorite "Black boxes" to fix were those that
were mounted face up on the center console (I worked on the F-111-side
by side seating) Seems as these boxes were the favorite places for the
Pilot and WSO to place there cup of coffee or can of soda pop. Of course
they would forget and taxi with them still there!!

We would dismantle the box as needed, go into the latrine and wash in
hot water and let air dry. Worked 90% of the time-the other 10% the
coffee and coke got into switches and gummed them up!!

Thankfully if I spill my coffee or coke in the "Aardvark" I just have a
mess on the floor!!

Art
1960 SII "Aardvark"

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:45:30 -1000
Subject: Re: Badges and Foriegn objects in Electronics

>(I worked on the F-111>Art
>1960 SII "Aardvark"

Ahh, always wondered where the Landy name came from :-)

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 02:44:16 EDT
Subject: Re: Badges and Foriegn objects in Electronics

In a message dated 98-09-30 01:21:12 EDT, you write:

<< Electronics and drinks-- I spent 20 Years in the USAF as a  Avionics
 Technician. One of our favorite "Black boxes" to fix were those that
 were mounted face up on the center console (I worked on the F-111-side
 by side seating) Seems as these boxes were the favorite places for the
 Pilot and WSO to place there cup of coffee or can of soda pop. Of course
 they would forget and taxi with them still there!! >>

Hahaha...had the same problem with my C-130: That damnded Pepsi can just
wouldn't stay put!

On the downside, it always reminded me of that film "Fate Is The Hunter",
everytime that can fell over. Have to admit, it kept me awake and alert.

Charles

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 02:50:14 EDT
Subject: Re: Seen Driving around

...Can't believe I forgot!...

Just to give folks an idea of the sheer number of Land/Range Rovers currently
pounding L.A. streets:

During my weeding excursion in the Hollywood Hills this past Sunday, when I
had me SII parked on Laurel Canyon Dr., I was passed approximately every 30
seconds (yes - 30 seconds) by either a Range Rover, Disco, Defender, OR a
series vehicle! I kid you not, even my friend Paul (who owns the land I was
working on) was amazed at how many there were - sometimes, as many as 3 or 4
went by in opposite directions at once! We gave up trying to cound how many we
saw. Some waved, some honked, some ran over my traffic cones...

Speaking of broncos (NOT Denver), there's tons of those here, too. - see at
least 3 or 4 everyday.

Charles

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From: Carl Petter Swensson <cepe@online.no>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:55:48 +0200
Subject: SIII stuck i 4WD

I have a 1979 S3 109". The forward propellershaft was broken, so I had
it removed and have been running without it for some time. Yesterday I
installed a new forward propeller shaft and the LR became akward when
turning tighly. I tried to get it out of 4WD, shift red knob to low and
back to high while pulling yellow knob up, but the yellow knob seems
stuck. I removed the fwd. propellershaft again, and I tried to turn the
fwd. transfer gearbox output flange, assuming that I would be able to
turn it if my LR was in 2WD, but it was stuck.

My questions: 

How far up must the yellow knob be to be out of 4WD? I.e. distance from
underside of knob to hole in floor/gearbox tunnel. Would anybody care to
measure it for me?

Isn't there supposed to be some kind of coil spring around teh shaft of
the yellow knob? I seem to remember having seen that before I got my own
LR.

If my transfercase is stuck in 4WD, does anyone have any hints on how to
get it unstuck with a minimum hassle?

---

Thanks to the list. I have had great help from following the list
discussions and from getting swift answers to my questions to the list.
This is great help for a newbie LR owner. Thanks!

--cepe

-- 
Carl P. Swensson	internet: cepe@online.no	
			telephone: +47-928 937 40
                        telefax:   +47-929 737 40
I speak for myself. I will tell you when I speak for someone else

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From: "Huub Pennings" <HPS@FS1-KFIH.AZR.NL>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:36:07 +0100
Subject:       sortout + in Holland

Are there any listmembers going to the sortout/exposition "50 jaar 
Land Rover" on the Autotron grounds in Rosmalen?
Would be a nice oppertunity to link some names to faces..... 

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:45:28 +1000
Subject: Beginning of the end for LR?

Peter Ogilvie asked:
>That brings up another topic dieing for exposition.  What is the meaning
of "Wanking".  I suppose someone who "wanks" is a "wanker" and the one who
is "wanked" upon is a "wankee".

Dunno about the USA but in Australia, to wank is to masturbate.

Ron

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From: Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:04:51 +0100
Subject: [warning - strong language] RoverSpotting, a parody of the 
Trainspotting monologue.

**warning - strong language**
*Don't take offense if you read this*

I have a draft release of RoverSpotting.

http://lucas.ucs.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/non-pc/rovering.shtml
(available only when my laptop is networked..)

A parody of the Trainspotting monologue, inspired by a similar computing
parody.
If anyone could give me the RGB numbers for LR Green, I can put in the
right background

-- 
Ian Stuart
Computing Services
The University of Edinburgh

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