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From: Erik van Dyck <erikvandyck@mindspring.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:37:57 -0400
Subject: Grill Badge

Put me down for one too, please.

Erik van Dyck
Suwanee, Georgia
'73 Ser III  88"

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From: Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:55:43 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: And now, the end is near ....

Hello All,

Well, my time has come at last. 3 years on the list and time to unsub.

I'm moving back from Italy to London and so will probably be mailing some of 
you 
London types to see about local clubs/greenlaning etc.

I just hope the wheels are still on the LR when I get back !

I'm leaving the European Space Agency to join News International.

You may have noticed I stayed well quiet during all of the Sun-bashing that was 
going on a short time ago on the uk-lro list ;-)

So, thanks for all of the company, advice and help over the years.

If anyone has a burning need to contact me i'll continue to be on the address
zymurgy1@my-dejanews.com

Arrivederci Roma !!

Cheers,

Paul.

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:02:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Grill Badge

> Put me down for one too, please.
>Steve Bradke
> '68  Series lla

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:04:45 EDT
Subject: Re:  Gator Grip - NOT!!

In a message dated 9/28/98 3:52:19 AM, you wrote:

<<Anyone got any bright ideas how I might be able to get the little blighter
out?? - I've tried adjustable spanners, mole grips, hammer and chisel and
it won't shift (and consequently the plug is V. mangled).
<<Anyone got any bright ideas how I might be able to get the little blighter

Had the same problem recently. I couldn't drain the tranny fluid because I
knew I couldn't get the damn thing open to fill it; and I know how stupid I
would look with the truck stuck out front for lack of the right tool.

I had to hammer a socket onto the slightly mangled plug. I took off the
crunched RH forward sill and used a long breaker bar slid between the frame
and floor to transmit the force of the hammer to the socket. A couple of
judicious taps later, it was on there and a ratchet bar was then able to
remove the plug.

My plug was put it much too tight; they have tapered threads, so when they go
in they tighten up and don't need a ton of pressure. I have since "found" two
Matco square sockets, just for plugs like that, swivel plugs, etc.

--pat.

ps: IMHO any tool sold on TV, or with a "as seen on TV" sticker, or one that
works on many sizes is pretty close to crap. One tool, one size one purpose,
and it works 100%. The rest just dilute their abilities.

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From: Paul G <pgussack@utk.edu>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:13:03 -0400
Subject: daily driver

I ran my series III 5 days a week before moving to Knoxville.  My wife
and i now go to the same place in the morning so we carpool. I now run
Grendal one or two days a week.

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From: Mikko Kalevi Lehmusto <mlehmust@hit.fi>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:27:06 +0300
Subject: Rocker question

Hello everybody.

I'm currently rebuilding the engine of my SIII 109". The engine is a stock
2.25 l diesel. I've discovered that my valve rocker-arms are quite worn,
but new ones cost terribly. I could have the rockers ground in a local
machine shop for considerably less money.

Does anyone know/have experience with this thing? Are the rockers only
surface-hardened, and will the grinding penetrate the hardened layer? If
it will, is it feasible to re-harden the rockers? I have access to all the
necessary equipment needed to do it correctly, but how should they be
hardened? What material are they?

Thanks in advance.

Mikko Lehmusto
student, Mech. Engineering
FINLAND

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From: "Piet Fourie : pah@saao.ac.za" <pah@saao.ac.za>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:33:15 +0200 (SAT)
Subject: Re: Rocker question

Hi Mikko

Pity you are so far away.  I have a complete rocker-arm assembly for the
2.25 diesel taking up space in my garage. I bought it thinking it was for
the petrol enginge only to discover that it is not.

> I'm currently rebuilding the engine of my SIII 109". The engine is a stock
> 2.25 l diesel. I've discovered that my valve rocker-arms are quite worn,
> but new ones cost terribly. I could have the rockers ground in a local
> machine shop for considerably less money.

Regards
Piet

80 RR
1955 S1

P.A.H. Fourie   ( pah@saao.ac.za )
South African Astronomical Observatory.
P.O. Box 25 Sutherland 6920 South Africa.
Tel 023 5711135. Fax 023 5711413

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:16:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Seeing the Series Rigs

Pat asks:

>What's the Berlin ICC?

The berlin ICC is the International Commerce Center - it's a huge complex of
halls that looks not unlike Moonbase Alpha - being the pinnacle of 70s spaceship
design.

Its interior has been recently updated - now that looks like the "Zocolo" on
Babylon 5...

Odd design, but a geat conference facility.

>Maybe the 110 was Franz Parsefall's. Haven't heard from him in a bit, but he's
>over there with a 110.

Possible - I didn't linger to check registration numbers...

                    ajr

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From: "Chris Dillard" <cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:14:33 -0400
Subject: "NEW" SERIES 1 Owner

I am now the proud (and soon to be more poor than I am already) owner of
two late 1955 Series 1 Trucks. Seriel #'s 173603427 & 173602589.  These are
original LHD "export" spec vehicles from Canada. The two will go into
completeing 1 "good" truck. These were last running and titled in 1988 so
hopefully it won't  take too long to get some "fire in the hole". I don't
think that I'm going to do a complete restoration. I'm mainly just looking
for these to be "farm, local" trucks to just "beat "around in for now.
Maybe later they can be complete restoration projects.  So, many , many
questions will be forthcoming!! As well as ranting, raving, cussing and I
'm sure a lot of drinking!! I told my wife that was going to have to drive
the series truck instead of the Disco!!! Ha, ha, ha What a priceless
look!!!

Cheers for now!

Christopher Dillard
95 Disco
55 Series I  (???)
55 Series I  ( The Green, well almost green, Hornet)

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:25:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Gator Grip - NOT!!

Re: Mangled filler plug:

Torch. Torch. Torch.

Heat the surrounding area with a propane or other torch, trying not to get the
plug itself as much as possible.  Give it about 5 minutes or so - you want a
good differential heat between the plug and the case.

Once you do this, mole grips or vice grips (wherever you may be) should do the
trick.

I'm ashamed to say I've done this on fuel line fittings.....8*)...

                    aj"BOOM!"r

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From: "Chris Dillard" <cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:19:28 -0400
Subject: Series URL (seriel #)

What is the URL to check out series trucks seriel numbers? I though that I
had it in my file, but guess not!

Thanks,
christopher Dillard

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From: "Chris Dillard" <cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:38:18 -0400
Subject: Series 1 Battery & switch

Is ther any specific type of battery that I should place in my old "new"
series I ? The battery in it , obviously, is quite DEAD and need to be
replaced. Also, what would be the best source to install new key (ignition
panel) switch?

thanks,
christopher d
1955 Series 1 (????)
1955 Series 1 (The Green, well almost green Hornet)

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:46:05 -0600
Subject: Re:Not many series to see

OK-My 2 Cents worth!!

"Aardvark" is my only vehicle now, gets driven every day. Live in a
small town so at the most will only put on 10 miles a day.

Have taken long trips in her, from The port of Houston up to Eastern New
Mexico, from southern Colorado to St Louis and back and To the Steamboat
Rally this year. Lack of any more long trips is not due to it being a
Series, but lack of money and I can get all the Off Roading I want 30
miles a way in the Sangre de Christos! (Going scouting for elk next
weekend!!)

Granted she isn't as plush as some cars, is slower than molasses in
January, the heater sucks, the Air conditioning likewise, but I always
seen to have the biggest grin on my face when taking a trip!!

Along the lines of the number of series in the states-in my town there
are exactly 6 British vehicles-3 of which are Land Rovers!! (My
seriesII, the Bank Prez's Range Rover, a Disco, a MGB , a TR6 and my
instructors 56 Morris Minor) Not bad for a town of 8000!!

Art
1960 SII "Aardvark"

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:04:10 -0400
Subject: Mid-Atlantic Rally

OK, gang, listen up.  There is the *possibility* that the Mid-Atlantic may
have to be rescheduled due to Hurrican Georges.  While it doesn't have the
same intensity as Camile back in '72, it's on the same track.

It's not so much the site, as getting to and from Buckingham county.  2-3
inches of rain locally will flood Hunt's Creek and close 671, and 5-6
inches in a day in the upper James River basin will close the Rt.15 bridge
(it's the most decrepit in the state).  I was in Richmond for both Agnes in
'69 and Camile, and 10 inches in the upper James closed *every* bridge
between I-81 in the valley and I-95 through Richmond.  Some areas of the
Gulf coast are forecast to get *two feet* of rain.

Rescheduling of the event has always been a contingeny.  This year, we've
been given three farms down by the James to play upon, but all the route
take us down by the river.  Even a two inch rain is liable to close these
trails due to high water.

We'll make an announcement to reschedule Wednesday evening.  No news is
good news, and the rally is on.

That said, it's also possible that a strong cold front moving south right
now will just smack georges in the face and cause it to disnitergrate.  Two
of the properties are adjacent, but unconnected.  We need to build about
100 yards of trail through bottom land to connect the two farms.  So if you
show up on Thursday afternoon or Friday morning, expect to get put to work
building trail, maybe even a bridge.  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:52:57 -0600
Subject: tubes or tubeless??

Need advice from the Gurus-

I've had 6 flat tires in the last 4 months-all on the rear tires. I'm
running tubes in my tires as the rims have no safety bead (white spokers
I bought when in England)

Normally when I ran tubeless tires on other cars and trucks and caught a
nail (which has been the case recently) the tire just got a slow leak,
if that. Now that I think of it I can't remember ever changing a flat on
any other vehicle I've driven!!!!

So can I run safely tubeless on these rims? I'm running Goodyear
Wrangler AT (Tubeless) for tires.

Thanks!!

Art
1960 SII "Aardvark"

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From: "Searle,Philip" <philip.searle@abbott.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:56:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Gearbox joys

>From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
>Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 02:10:45 ED
>Interesting thing I noticed:
>I went through about 3 top covers, until I found one that fit properly!
>The others, would fit so tight, that the shift rods wouldn't move!

I would think that the holes for the selector shafts were originally line
bored with the top cover and gearbox case bolted together.
Mine were both stamped "Z6" near the front left corner of the cover.  You
might want to check that you have a matched pair.
Sometimes you can mix and match.......sometimes you can't.

Regards

Phil Searle
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/4308/

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:11:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Series 1 Battery & switch

Re: Battery:

Measure what's in there and get the biggest (highest capacity) one that fits the
space. This way, you can crank for a while - also handy if the genny goes
toes-up in the boonies.

                    ajr

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From: "Stude, Herman L." <hermans@krts.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:01:25 -0500
Subject: test no msg

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:13:27 EDT
Subject: Re: And now, the end is near ....

Sun bashing? Who? When?

I personally like the page 3's! I'd never bash that.

Charles

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:30:05 -0700
Subject: Hawaii

>From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
@Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 07:48:13
@Subject: Re: Not many series to see

@	I think the number is less than 15,000 from 48 to 74.  With attrition
@thrown in, there are undoubtedly less than 1/2 that number still in
@existence.  No wonder that you don't see the series rovers out and about,
@much.  My 88 is a daily driver and my only source of transportation, so you
@will see me running around Kona.<

Hi Peter,
I've been wondering which Island you are on.
Is the Wapio Valley Shuttle still in existance?
My wife and I went on their ride into the valley in one of their 109's
about 15 years ago.
I recall them buying an 88 for parts from a lady who had a conversion going
and I guess the mechanic screwed it up.
Someone recently said he thought they weren't there anymore. :>(
We really enjoyed the ride.

Bob Bernard
Bob Bernard <bobnsueb@maxinet.com>
Paradise,CA. 530-877-2749
69-88 "Sherman"
65-88 "Olivia"
51-80 "Nelly"

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From: "Piet Fourie : pah@saao.ac.za" <pah@saao.ac.za>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:17:05 +0200 (SAT)
Subject: Re: "NEW" SERIES 1 Owner

Hi Christopher

I am also a series 1 1955 owner.  They are marvelous vehicles and easy to
keep going.  We use it daily and it is realy fun. 

Hope you will have a lot of pleasure out of it.

Piet

80 RR
55 S1

P.A.H. Fourie   ( pah@saao.ac.za )
South African Astronomical Observatory.
P.O. Box 25 Sutherland 6920 South Africa.
Tel 023 5711135. Fax 023 5711413

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:48:46 -0700
Subject: sightings 

>From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
<Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:06:55 -0700
<Subject: Numbers - Sightings
>Anyone ever see a Nissan Patrol? There were only 2,000 shipped to North
>America in a two year span. I saw one on Orcas Island, WA (driven up from
>CA - then returning) and one in Moab (for sale).

Hi David,
I knew of a Nissan Patrol here in Paradise, One driven daily in Chico, one
in a junkyard in Chico(next to a 57 series1 and an Austin Gipsy) and
another on a carlot for sale a few years back. And BTW a guy here in
Paradise has two Gipseys.
Of course one is for parts. Funny thing, the Gipsey's wheels look like the
same big bolt pattern as Land Rover.

There are lots of Early Broncos up here and they can be built to go
anywhere but most parts are $$$.
There is even one that after rolling and destroying the body, the owner (a
logger) put a mid 70 Datsun P/U body on it. still goes anywhere but now
looks funny! Don't know whether to call it a Brotsun or Donco??

Bob Bernard
Bob Bernard <bobnsueb@maxinet.com>
Paradise,CA. 530-877-2749
69-88 "Sherman"
65-88 "Olivia"
51-80 "Nelly"

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:45:00 -0700
Subject: Toy engine swap in Rover?

>From: "H.Rutherford" <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
>Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:28:19 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: T*yota/Series Engine Swap
>Ya'll,
>    With all the banter about Toyota FJ40's having rust prone bodies but
>perfectly functional drivelines, has anyone out there seen or done an engine
>swap into a series vehicle? Seems like a natural to me. 

Actually there are a lot of the FJ40's here in Paradise (in the
No-rust-belt they last longer)
Most have had their engine replaced by a Chev 283/327/350 V8.
Some after the original 6cyl needed a rebuild.
The original is a copy of the Chev I-6 I believe the 235cu/in. not the
230/250 newer one.

Bob Bernard

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From: john hess <jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:36:10 -0700
Subject: answers

david walker wrote:

Oh, I would like the people who do not drive their LR's to come
forward.......my questions were in no way meant to say that 'loads of
driving' is 'the only answer'.

I just wanted to know who was taking theirs on longer trips AND who was just
using theirs on weekends or for off-roading only.

my 0.02;  I ride a bike to work ands so does my wife.  the rovers stay at
home until we need to carry something like groceries or we go out of town.
Rob Kerner has been spotted driving his Landie to campus for work.
That's the Davis series contingent. (2 others non-running)

As far as trips, David knows we travel.  Did Red Rocks with him and TeriAnn.
BTW, I do see series rigs while driving.  Not often, but it seems more
often than you.  Part of the trick is to drive where series rigs were sold
and more numerous is years gone by.  Around here, (away from Davis and the
bay area folks) that means the coast, northern california and oregon.

Nissan Patrol:  was a cream color one in town.
2CV:  VERY cool red 2CV delivery panel truck in town, plus another ?blue?
normal style in east davis (running?  I doubt it)

must be 6 square Broncos in town, including 2 pus.

no mogs.

VW things:  three last school year, who knows this year.

Davis is weird, no?

PS. David, you want to talk never see them:  Tigers.  7000 made, but
there's a car that really should be driven.  Perfect in town, better on a
twisty 2 lane.

John F Hess   jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us
Land Rover Dormobile web pages:
http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html
1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis"
1960 swb pu "Stubby" (actually Katherine's),
1960 swb regular  Needs door tops and upper and lower tailgates.
 "The Mock 5" (Alex's) needs everything, donations accepted

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:56:40 -0700
Subject: copying

Peter said: About Toyota into a Rover:	
>Saw one but it was not running and, I think, eventually scrapped.  Think
>it was a complete swap right down to the axles but its a been a long time
>since it was around.  If you look at the Toyota running gear, etc., it
>looks like the old Japanese trick of "copy the concept but improve the
>details".  It was hard for me to see the differences in the Toyota and

The Japanese aren't the only ones that copy.
The plans for a NSU Motorcycle were somehow gotten to both Britian and US
around or after WW-2. Both BSA and Harley made a copy. Harley Hummer 125
cc. and BSA Bantam? they had the shifter on opposite sides but were pretty
much interchangeable otherwise.

Bob B

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:59:35 -0700
Subject: 10v regulator

>From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
>Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:13:38 +0100
>Subject: Source for 10V regulator?

The MGB also used it, But why not call British Pacific and order one?

Bob B

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:50:44 -0700
Subject: Re: tubes or tubeless??

Art Bitterman wrote:
> Need advice from the Gurus-
> I've had 6 flat tires in the last 4 months-all on the rear tires. I'm
> running tubes in my tires as the rims have no safety bead white spokers
> So can I run safely tubeless on these rims? I'm running Goodyear
> Wrangler AT (Tubeless) for tires.

	First off I'll say I'm not a guru, but I am running tubeless tires on
my beadless rims. Actually one, and my spare have tubes, but that's
because I've been too lazy to take them out. So far I haven't had
problems. I don't worry so much about breaking the bead by hitting the
side of the tire on a rock since I run 50, yes 50 PSI.
I don't think the ride is any worse than any other 4wd with a stiff
suspension. In fact just this weekend I made it up a rock that a book
said "lockers required", and no I didn't air down. I forgot Art, are you
in the Springs or more towards Pueblo, as our trip was by the Springs, I
just thought if we are out that way again, we should invite you along.
We did Hackett, and want to go back for Longwater.

Jim Hall 
Elephant Chaser 1966 88" with a bent tusk fron Hackett Rock

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From: bobnsueb@maxinet.com (Bob and Sue Bernard)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:24:22 -0700
Subject: seeing or driving series rigs

>Subject: Re: Seeing the Series Rigs

Hi,
I drive Sherman daily but no longer work.
When I did, I would drive him whenever it snowed.

I know of at least three or four Series in Chico,Ca. (15 miles downhill
from Paradise). that are driven daily. And there was a fifth one until he
rolled it and I bought it. Now it's mostly restored but waiting for me to
paint it. She's now known as Olivia and my wife drives her regularly.

Bob Bernard

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From: "Kenner, Dixon" <Dixon.Kenner@ms.rc.x400.gc.ca>
Date: 28 Sep 1998 11:03:00 -0400
Subject: webspace et al...

>I wants it!!  You can email me the whole kit and kaboodle.  If Bill Caloccia,
>or Dixon Kenner or any of the other gurus don't think it's appropriate for the
>LRO FAQ, I'll load it up onto my page as well.  (We could have a Weber Carb
>Webring!)

Send it here (well, dkenner@emr.ca) and I can put it up in the FAQ.  There are
gigs of disc space available on the server.

As per other LR related info, too the BGB engine apart this past weekend.
Oil consumption in the 40 miles per litre made it necessary to try and do
something, if not only see where it was going, well, why is more like it.
Pulled the head, checked the valve seals.  Four of eight were there and those
there were not in the greatest shape.  Cleaned up the head, chiselled out the
deposits.  But as the guides seemed fine more was necessary.  Dropped the
sump & pulled the pistons.  Rings looked great, which was a surprise.  I figured
they would be in pieces.  So, hearing about this concept of ring gap, I pulled
the top ring off and put it back down the bore.  Hmmm... Manual says the gap
should be between .015 and .020.  Where's the ruler?  Where is the feeler 
gauge?  Lets use .032, .030, and .028 all together on this one <ahem>.  Try a 
new ring.  .023.  Hmmmm... Much better.  SO back togther it has all gone.
I even replaced the gasket betwwen the intake and exhaust (mainly because 
some of it wasn't there, add another trip to Canadian Tire to get muffle cement
to try and repair the welding repairs a PO did to the exhaust manifold).  And 
yes
Russ, it was all done for under Cdn ¤40.  This includes new heater and fuel lines!
I will be treating the BGB for shock for the next week or so.  New parts are
so traumatic.  I will save the rings for Dave Scheidt in Chicago!

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:53:47 EDT
Subject: POR15 or POR-15

[spamkill: [^d][^2][0-9][0-9][0-9]*\.com[^a-z] input: %s]	 Hmmm. I 
entered www.por-15.com and got a website under construction, and got
[spamkill: [^d][^2][0-9][0-9][0-9]*\.com[^a-z] input: %s]	 Then I tried 
www.por15.com (no dash between por & 15) and got the makers of

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:02:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Seeing the Seies Rigs 

> David Walker wrote:
<< So, what is stopping the rest of you from taking these longer journeys? >>

	For a long 7 years I used my Series III as a daily driver and my
only car.  I've driven Dora across the US 8 times.   From 1995 to 1997 I was
taking, on average one 500 to 1000 mile trip one weekend a month (with 
heavy off roading in the middle of the trip).   About a year ago I bought
the Disco to have a backup car.  Since then I've alternated driving the
Series or the Disco to work.   A few weeks ago on a trip from Boston to 
Ottawa (400 miles each way) Dora's engine went south and needs a full 
rebuild.  So she's waiting for my assignment in Boston to end so that I 
can tow her back to California and do the rebuild.

	Series Rovers are rare to see on the road when not enroute to Rover
or British Car events.   Recently I've seen 2 on the road in Boston.

Ben

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:03:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Snow???

Scott Wilson wrote:
> > I am looking forward to the purported dreadful winter I keep hearing
> > forcasted.  SNOW SNOW SNOW!
> Is this true? some side effect of El Nino/La Nina? I'd love to have
> tons of show around... I just started snowboarding, and I'd hate
> to have to go out to Utah just to get decent snow this year... And
> I'd love to show off the rover in the snow =:)
> anyway... I have Cooper Discoverers, and they have those holes
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> supposed to act like anow chains? has anyone had any experience
> with these studs?
 Tire studs are great little things. They improve traction in icy and
hard packed snow to an almost unbelievable degree and they don't dig
large holes like snow chains do. The nice thing is they don't need extra
body clearance and can stay in the tire when there isn't any snow.
In our climate they should be mandatory but the Dept of Highway is more
concerned with the idea that they may damage the road (given the state
of our back roads this is amusing to say the least). 
However they should only be fitted to new unused tires as dirt in the
holes can prevent proper installation.
    John and Muddy

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:16:23 -0700
Subject: Re: Beginning of the end for LR?

From: "Franklin H. Yap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 21:36:35 -0700
Subject: Re: Beginning of the end for LR?

Faure, Marin wrote:

>> than the percentage of Range Rover and Discovery owners.  But the
owners
> of the few used Defenders I have seen for sale in this area have made
> much of the fact that their vehicles were "never used off-road."  To
> them, no off-road use meant they should be able to get more money for
> the vehicle, a position which seems valid to me.

>Except that I know of people who claimed there vehicles nver went
off-raod
when it did.  I even recall someone on the list (before it was split)
who
used to talk about off-roading (but then maybe it was just talk) then
advertised trhe vehicle as never been off-road.

Well, I'm sure there will always be some people who lie about how they
used their vehicle in order to jack up the price.

>My understanding is Defenders/Ninety/One-Ten were traditionally priced
higher than the equivalent  Japanese 4wd which accounted for a large
switch
in Third World countries.  While the long term overall cost of the LR
may be
justified (altho some on the list doubt the longevity of the Defender),
the
short term initial capital cost is very imjportant for poorer nations.
Even
the Jamaican Constabulary, that have always used LRs, recently switched
to
Toyota LCs (Series 70s which I like) altho from what I have heard some
of it
may be political.

Land Rover lost their world market share in the 1970s and 80s for a
number of reasons, not the least of which was poor support from British
Leyland.  At one time, I remember reading in the Wall Street Journal
that the only divisions of BL making money were Land Rover and the Spare
Parts Division.  BL siphoned off the money earned by these two groups to
bolster up their money-losing vehicle lines.  Land Rover engineers
repeatedly wanted to upgrade the Land Rover, but were told there were no
funds available.  As a result, the Series III was just a slightly
gussied up Series IIa instead of the considerably improved vehicle Land
Rover had wanted it to be.  This frustration continued for years.  BL
also had little money to support its dealer network, with the result
that many of them just sort of dwindled away.   In the meantime, the
Japanese manufacturers were pouring money into developing the Land
Cruiser, Nissan Patrol, pickups, etc. as well as setting up an extensive
and responsive dealer network.  Their quality was first rate, as was
their service. Their manufacturing plants were newer than Land Rovers,
and the vehicles were designed to be put together efficiently, which
allowed lower prices.  It's only been in the last few years that Land
Rovers have been regaining their popularity in southeast Asia, the
Middle East, and so forth (I can't speak for Africa because I haven't
been there).  But until Land Rover redesigns the Defender and upgrades
its assembly line, they will always be fighting its extremely high
manufacturing cost.  It takes between three and four times as many
manhours to assemble a Defender as it does to assemble a Discovery or
Range Rover.

> >>I think the more appropriate comparison is Jeep and H-D.

>> No, I think the comparison is valid.

>I believe the comparison is not the same mainly because the cleintele
and
the number of buyers are different.  Traditional H-D buyers are not the
same
as traditional purchasers of LRs.  Altho today they may be because of
some
status perception.

I don't know about your neck of the woods, but out here Harley Davidsons
are the machines of choice of wealty attorneys, TV station owners,
aerospace company executives, software company managers, etc.  These are
the same people that are buying Defenders, Discoveries, and Range
Rovers.

>>The 109 is a long wheelbase, not a short wheelbase vehicle (if that's
what
you meant by "109SW"), and Land Rovers weren't available in the US in
1981,
so I'm not sure how you arrived at the $20K price.  But as far

>I am referring to the 109 Stationwagon. There was a place in LA
importing
them in the early '80s.  I got brochures, price list, etc. from them.
They
even brought a 109SW to the SF Auto Show in 1981.  I simply couldn't
afford
the $20k and instead got an '82 diesel Westfalia vanagon camper.  (But
it
couldn't cope with trails.)

In that case, the 109 Station Wagon the outfit was importing in the
early '80s would have had to have been modified to meet whatever
emissions and safety specification were in force in the US at that time.
There was a company on the east coast doing the same thing with new
Range Rovers in the late '70s and early '80s.  The modifications
necessary to get the vehicles to meet US-specs were quite expensive,
particularly for California, and added considerably to the price of the
vehicles (as well as voiding the manufacturer's warranty).  So I suspect
the $20K price you were seeing included a fair amount for whatever mods
the importer was having to make to make the vehicles legal.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:14:45 -0700
Subject: Re: UK-USA time difference and phone question.

New York (US Eastern Time):	GMT - 5
Chicago  (US Central Time):	GMT - 6
Denver   (US Mountain Time):	GMT - 7 (this varies during the year?)
Los Angeles (US Pacific Time):	GMT - 8

C

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:19:08 EDT
Subject: Re: Numbers - Sightings

David and Cynthia have a good point about the relative scarcity of odd
vehicles in the USA.  Out of the group they listed,

Two Renault 2-CVs commonly park a couple of blocks up at a State of CA office.
one is a rare 2-CV panel truck (Grey Market).

A Nissan Patrol commonly parks at the District Ranger Station just beyond
Placerville. It belongs to one of the Rangers for the Pacific District and he
has three or four of them.

Two VW things park in front of the house as they belong to the students across
the street.  They come and go and are currently gone, I think they've moved.

I took a walk around the block Saturday night and saw three Bronco's or so, I
wasn't paying attention.  They were at the bar on the corner doing the loud
music / dancing thing.  

There aren't any Mogs which inhabit the area although 7-8 miles from the house
used to be Steve Whites garage with about 6 of the 404s in the yard. He's not
there now.

So there's a lot of the cars on this particular list here in the neighborhood.
My series rig doesn't get the exercise it should, I've been busy working on
the Plushies, and sorting out their kinks.  

The problem is not in the noise of the Series rigs etc. it is the speed. with
the vacation hours dropping and the reduced ability to get blocks of time,
using a vehicle that can get to the vacation spot at 70+ is just more
palatable than going at 50+ (flat) and 30+ hills.

Zack Arbios

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:32:36 -0400
Subject: Sightings

David Walker <wahooadv@earthlink.net> wrote:

>I have also heard that there were between 15,000 and 20,000 shipped to
>North America.............

Most likely 12,800 "official" imports, another 25% done individually....

>So, how does that compare with other "rare, collectable" vehicles?

Well, Rolls-Royce exported 35,000 to the US....

>Anyone ever see a Citreon 2CV? They produced over 6 million of these
>vehicles with less than 2,000 arriving in North America - no, I do not
>see these out on the open road. There are estimated to be only some 400 >
>around.

That's because the average suburban riding lawnmower has *far* more
horsepower....Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:24:53 -0700
Subject: Re: Toyota/Series Engine Swap

Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:28:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: T*yota/Series Engine Swap

>Ya'll,
    With all the banter about Toyota FJ40's having rust prone bodies but
perfectly functional drivelines, has anyone out there seen or done an
engine
swap into a series vehicle? Seems like a natural to me. 
  
I think the problem is the engine size.  The Land Cruiser has a
6-cylinder engine that (I was told) was based on the design of a Chevy
Six.  In any event, fitting this engine into the relatively short engine
bay of a Land Rover and mating it up with the Land Rover transmission,
or trying to adapt the Toyota transmission, could present a host of
problems.  I don't know how Land Rover's own 6-cylinder engine measures
up in terms of size to Toyota's six, but I believe the Rover engine was
somewhat smaller.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:59:45 EDT
Subject: Re: Snow--> Studs/Chains?

I have to drive to Salt Lake in December, and then when I return in january go
up to the mountains my sister who lives there is telling me there will be
snow, etc., up there. I do not want to embarrass LandRoverdom by not having
the right things to put on the tire. It will be concrete/asphalt up to the
mountains, then snow on asphalt then just plain snow on snow on dirt.

I live in Miami. Snow chains aren't sold within 200 miles of me. And this will
be this particular vehicle's first winter trip. I'm a tropical person and only
begrudgingly venture north after November...

1.  Does anyone have any opinions on what type to get, and I should get 4
right? (permanent 4x4)

2.  Does one use studs as well as chains? (My tires accept studs)

3.  Lastly, does anyone know of a place to get those good chains from "1."

Thanks,

pat.

ps: I suppose those who air down at every opportunity do so for snow as well;
and those who hesitantly air down keep their tires the way they are?

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:04:12 -0500
Subject: First Field Breakdown :-(

I haven't still read the last 110 messages but I have to tell you all first
what happened on the weekend.

I went everywhere on saturday searching for all four shocks for the truck.
Where they had them they couldn't put them on because it was saturday, and
where they could put them on they didn't have. So I lost all morning in
that.

I decided then to change the oil and filters. I was feeling kind of lazy, so
I went to a shop to have them changed.

The guy asked me about the engine to check his catalog for the oil filter.
And he put in the one that was specified for it.

Off I went, feeling the engine as soft as silk. So, to compensate for the
deception of the shocks I decided to get the family in the car and go for a
nice exploratory expedition. We knew of a road (?) that was supposed to take
us to the Dirty River (Rio Sucio), which by the way isn't dirty at all, but
no one knew about the condition of the road or the distance to reach it.

So the Land Rover spirit  showed out and we went for it. About 30 miles into
the woods, miles away from anybody, I began to sense a strange odor.
Something was burning!!

I opened up the hood (bonnet) and  voila! Everything was delicately covered
with a fine mist of engine oil. Even the scape, that was what I smelled.

The oil filter lies exactly on top of the front drive shaft, and on that
moment I discovered that the guy at the shop had put in a 2" longer filter.
It was too close to the shaft and that joined to the uneven nature of the
road (!) the shaft had smashed it causing all my oil to go airborn.

So there I was in the middle of nowhere, lacking filter and oil. Oh, and it
was 5:30, so I was almost lacking light too. The walk would have been
something like 3-4 hours to get somewhere.

And then, .... the miracle happened. A guy in a Nissan Patrol was doing
exactly the same as me (just wondering around) and stopped by.

I had to abandon my little mutant truck out there, just to go find some help
of course.
The guy took us out, and even to our house.

I then went looking for help, and found a friend of mine working on his FJ40
as a victim. We then went shopping for a filter and two gallons of oil, and
out on the field.

Reached the place, changed the filter with the help of a maglite, poured in
the oil, and drove home. Time of arrival: 12:00 in the night.

Lesson learned: If using Fram filters, I need a PH16, and by no means a PH8.
(Of course this is a Toyota engine so I'm maybe a little off topic here.)

Second lesson learned: Not to be so lazy and change the oil myself if I want
to be sure, and carry enough oil in the truck all the times.

Third lesson learned: If I'm going on the field alone, have someone know
where I'm going, so they'll know where to find me if something happens.

Forth lesson learned: If going solo, to a place unknown, don't take the
kids.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Rick Harwood <rick@liontech.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:14:17 +0100
Subject: Ford Pinto conversion

Hi,

I am looking to put a ford pinto engine into a series 3 Landrover and 
retain the original gearbox, has anyone ever tried this? If so, how did you 
get on? Would you recommend it? What do you look out for? And finally; Does 
anyone do converter plates etc for such a project? Any advice/warnings will 
be gratefully received.

Thanks

Rick Harwood

mailto:rick@liontech.demon.co.uk

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:21:42 -0500
Subject: RE: T*yota/Series Engine Swap

>Ya'll,
>    With all the banter about Toyota FJ40's having rust prone bodies but
>perfectly functional drivelines, has anyone out there seen or done an
engine
>swap into a series vehicle? Seems like a natural to me.
>                                                       H. Rutherford
>                                                       SerIIa 2.25 Petrol

I'm just catching up with mail, but I had to answer this.

YES, It is the natural engine swap performed here in Costa Rica. Very very
common. In fact my 90 is actually driving a B2 engine, natural of the FJ40.

Any info needed?

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Wilson, Scott" <wilsons@msmail.vislab.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:29 -0500
Subject: RE: Ford Pinto conversion

> I am looking to put a ford pinto engine into a series 3 Landrover and
> retain the original gearbox, has anyone ever tried this?

Yeah, I gave it a shot... I wanted my conversion to be
somewhat original, so I took out my original gas tank and just
ran the fuel line to one of the Jerry cans I had hanging off my
back bumper. Luckily, I was running with no top and my
windshield down that day and was thrown clear of the blast.

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:32:38
Subject: Re: The Big Island

	I'm in Kona and remember the good old Waipio Shuttle 109's.  The guy who
really built up the operation in the 70's used to live down the street and
was my rover guru.  I bought my 109, less the tail gate, from the Mauna Kea
Beach Hotel.  Checked out the shuttle and found one in good condition.  The
109 had been repainted a slime green and the tail gate was an identical
slime green.  Can only conclude that the tail gate off my 109 had somehow
migrated to the shuttle spares bin.
	There are a couple of companies doing shuttles into the valley but they
use 4x4 vans.  I don't know if the original Waipio Shuttle Company is still
around.  They stopped using the rovers 5-10 years ago.  They went through
several owners and got progressively less reputable.  They also scoured the
island for non runners to keep their fleet going.  I turned down the
opportunity to buy several running 88's for $500 or less that all
eventually got eaten up by the shuttle.  Now Rovers are scarce as hens
teeth where they used to be relatively plentiful.  An acquaintance bought
an immaculate '60 88 from them near the end and got thoroughly burned.
They had swapped the entire running gear into one of their 109's and put
the crap from theirs under the 88.  He ended up replacing/rebuilding
everything, and I mean everything, from the diff's up.  Still the only way
that I would want to take a tour of the Valley.  
	I haven't been down for a number of years.  Took the 88 up there when I
first got it in '84 and went all over the place and had a lot of fun
fording the streams and exploring.  Last time I went exploring i9n the
valley was on my mountain bike.  A lot more traffic in the valley and
private road and keep out signs all over the place, still light years from
Yosemite Traffic, however.  Think the local populace got overwhelmed when
the explosion of 4x4' hit in the late 80's.  Still a special place,
however.  Have often thought about buying a small plot and putting up a
weekend retreat cabin.  Probably won't happen as my coffee seems to take up
any spare time that I have now.  
Aloha Peter

>Hi Peter,
>I've been wondering which Island you are on.
>Is the Wapio Valley Shuttle still in existance?
>My wife and I went on their ride into the valley in one of their 109's
>about 15 years ago.
>I recall them buying an 88 for parts from a lady who had a conversion going
>and I guess the mechanic screwed it up.
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>Bob Bernard <bobnsueb@maxinet.com>
>Paradise,CA. 530-877-2749

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From: Terje Krogdahl <tekr@nextel.no>
Date: 28 Sep 1998 17:30:33 +0200
Subject: Re: Grill badges

"David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net> writes:

> Is there still some interest? Is there any one else out there that has more
> computer graphics experience than myself - that wants to contribute input to
> this project?

Hey! It's happening!

Put me down for two.

-- 
Terje Krogdahl
Norwegian Land Rover Club
http://www.land.rover.no
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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From: Terje Krogdahl <tekr@nextel.no>
Date: 28 Sep 1998 17:28:07 +0200
Subject: Re: Your Weber 34 ICH carb

Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net> writes:

> to install a fuel shutoff solenoid into the idle jet (next to the accel
> pump).  NUTHIN else worked, so $41.00 and a 10 day wait later ( from Rovers
> North) I wired the thing to the hot lead on the coil and Ta Daaaa!  Quoth
> the raven...

Does it have a Weber PN, or other identificator? I have been looking
for just such a beast...

-- 
Terje Krogdahl
Norwegian Land Rover Club
http://www.land.rover.no
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:50:18 -0500
Subject: RE: Toy engine swap in Rover?

>Actually there are a lot of the FJ40's here in Paradise (in the
>No-rust-belt they last longer)
>Most have had their engine replaced by a Chev 283/327/350 V8.
>Some after the original 6cyl needed a rebuild.
>The original is a copy of the Chev I-6 I believe the 235cu/in. not the
>230/250 newer one.

For what I've heard, FJ40 never made to the US in their diesel version. The
normal swap done here with series trucks is the diesel engine, not the
petrol one. Don't know if the in-line 6 would fit a series truck. Normally
people change engine, gearbox and tranfer case. Like in my truck's case.
The diesel is 4 cyl. and it's relatively small (not on displacement -3
liter-). You should see all the room that is vacant in my engine bay. The
fan doesn't even reach the radiator hood, by 20 cm. that is. This is
something I'll have to fix.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:12:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Seeing the Series Rigs 

In message <bulk.13304.19980927094006@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:

> Does anybody have any kind of idea how many series rigs are in the
> states? All this talk of not seeing them made me wonder statistically
> how often one should see them.

	Any number that you get on Series Rovers in the US ia a guess at best.
>From 1949 to 1958, it is not known how many LRs were imported, but a guess
by James Taylor is about 100 per year.

	From 1959 to 1963 no data exists.  Sales data exists mostly from 1964
to 1974.  

       Series IIA 88" & 109"
1964     952
1965    1840                            
1966    1137                           
1967     415                          
1968    No information
1969   1,222  
1970     873    
1971     756    

       Series III 88"
1972   1,114     
1973   1,246     
1974   1,200+

	This totals to 11,755 with 6 unknown years.  Assuming 500 for each
unknown year, would bring the total to about 15,000.     And these numbers
do not include Rovers imported at that time to Canadian companies or
UK Rovers that were left in Canada.

	Since 1974 a number of Rovers have been imported.  I have no idea
asto the numbers.  I would guess that it is in the 100 to 1000 range.

	Now how many are left?  How many are still driving?  I'd love
to get that number.   A few years ago RN guessed that 8000 were left
and that maybe half were running.  

	A URL with the above data (best guess for US sales 1949 to 1996 
(I see I need to put 1997 and 1998 data in there) is:

http://www.off-road.com/LR_FAQ/FAQ.3.LR_sales_US.html

	Slightly related is US sales broken down by model and month from
the start of Range Rover sales in March 1987 through June 1998 is:

http://www.off-road.com/LR_FAQ/FAQ.3.LRNA_sales.html

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: "Chris Dillard" <cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:20:17 -0400
Subject: Serial # URL

What is the address to find out more specifics about series rovers
identification (serial) numbers?

Thanks,
christopher d

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From: Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:23:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Your Weber 34 ICH carb

Weber part number 43904.050

At 05:28 PM 9/28/98 +0200, you wrote:

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From: dbobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 98 12:40:22 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: LR Yuppies 

>looking for a vein, chatting away to me about the steering on his 110, 
>talking about Billing etc etc... eventually my missus says "hey, I'm in the 
>room as well".....
>so to add to you list:
>something to talk to the doctor about after you've discussed your illness.....

nope, sorry, this falls into the "get to leave people out of conversations 
category"

later
dave

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From: MARCINKO3@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:27:05 EDT
Subject: Re: answers

     I bought "Prince" in April or May of this year and he had exactly 8000
miles on his ticker when I drove him off the lot. I now have 27,500 on the
ticker and counting. Yes, a lot of this has been highway, but I don't run BFG
MT's everyday for nothing. My "Clark Kent" side takes me all up and down the
US east coast, but as soon as the work is done, I am looking for a trail. I
just installed two more Hella's because, well just because. 

     Anyhow, have a great day. 

Rover on...

Steve 

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:30:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Series URL (seriel #) 

Christopher Dillard asked:

> What is the URL to check out series trucks seriel numbers? I though that I
> had it in my file, but guess not!

	General informaion on Land Rover Chassis numbers and VINS is:

http://www.off-road.com/LR_FAQ/FAQ.3.Chassis_Numbers.html

	For Series Rovers, numbers by type is:

http://www.off-road.com/LR_FAQ/Series/FAQ.S.Chassis_Numbers.type.html

	by year or year range is:

http://www.off-road.com/LR_FAQ/Series/FAQ.S.Chassis_Numbers.year.html

	The FAQ also has very limited information on specific number 
sequences (such as for 3180000A, 2410000A and 26400000A).   If anyone
has gotten a page of build data from LR, send the info to Dixon
Kenner (dkenner@off-road.com) or myself and we'll put it on line.

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:31:33 -0500
Subject: Driving series rigs in the U.S.

>>>>> "TeriAnn" == TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com> writes:

    TeriAnn> It seems that most people who own series rigs
    TeriAnn> also own another car that is their primary source
    TeriAnn> of daily transportation.

Two, actually.  I have the 109, Sonja (my TR-4) and my
appliance (Friday, a 1989 Dodge Shadow).  I drive all three
fairly regularly, depending on why I'm driving and where.  The
TR gets the "bopping from place to place on a fine morning"
sorts of drives and the "take a picnic lunch with a moderately
tolerant companion" sort of things, as well as long drives
when the weather is good and trips to the lakefront to stare
at the stars.  The Shadow gets the "drive to the store in the
pouring rain" and "haul four folks to Chicago for a day trip"
kinds of things.  The 109 so far gets the "haul 5 1/4bbls of
ale and 150lbs of ice or some 2x4s" and the "muck about in the
northwoods of Wisconsin looking for land to build on, or just
for the heck of it" kind of things, and they all share commute
time based on my daily mood in approximately even distribution.

    TeriAnn> When going on a trip or holiday, the series rig
    TeriAnn> tends to stay home because:

    TeriAnn>   - It is too slow.  People do not want to spend
    TeriAnn> their limited holiday hours driving to and from
    TeriAnn> where they want to be.

True.  An O/D can help a bit with this.  I'm planning on one
when the cash flow improves.  Meanwhile, I stay in the right
lane. 

    TeriAnn>  - It is uncomfortable for long distance driving,
    TeriAnn> it does not have an air conditioner, the heater
    TeriAnn> doesn't work well enough, the door seals let dust
    TeriAnn> & water inside, etc.

It's only slightly less comfortable than the TR-4, so this
isn't necessarily the reason.  It _does_ lack door tops right
now, which restricts it to trips in which there will not be
torrential downpours.  The TR-4 is similarly restricted due to
poor visibility (other people seeing me, not me seeing other
people) and a general lack of ventilation (the windscreen fogs
up unmercifully).  The TR is, however, waterproof to a large
degree and I see no reason the LR should not become so once
its pieces are all in place and the canvas is re-treated and
patched.

    TeriAnn> - The car is not dependable enough for people to
    TeriAnn> want to gamble their limited holiday time on the
    TeriAnn> car making the trip without a stop for repairs.

Nope.  Neither the TR nor the LR have ever stranded me.  Of
course I've only had the LR for this year and I've
disassembled most if not all of the mechanicals on the TR
enough that she better not be hiding anything from me.
The 109 will eventually get this same treatment bit-by-bit.

    TeriAnn> There seem to be a number of people in Land Rover
    TeriAnn> repair shops who seem to think that a lot of
    TeriAnn> their customer's series rigs see less than 1000
    TeriAnn> miles of driving a year.

I've put 5K (km) on the 109 this year.  I put ~5K (mi) on the
TR-4 and ~10K (mi) or so on the Shadow per year.  The Shadow
will likely retire next year and the 109 will become my
all-season daily driver for a while.  I may put a pickup cap
or hardtop on it so thot I can at least pretend to heat it in
the winter, but I've decided I kindof like the canvas.  It has
character.

	[...]
    TeriAnn> I have been home for about 3 weeks now and the
    TeriAnn> trail is calling again but the money reserves
    TeriAnn> have fallen below the point of being able to go
    TeriAnn> out and play. AHHHHHH I don't want to rejoin the
    TeriAnn> ranks of ants going to and from in their daily
    TeriAnn> ruts to keep a steady income.  I WANT TO LIVE
    TeriAnn> AHHHHHHHHHH

Count yourself lucky to have the chance to experience this
feeling at all.  Some people lack the funds, others the
opportunity, and still others the soul to be touched by such
things.  I'm several years from being able to do so myself on
any regular basis, largely because I'm also rebuilding the
TR-4 and the house is always sucking away time and money,
and my priorities are screwed up.
							-MM

(Proud custodian of two pieces of tractor-derived British iron
 that won't do 90MPH ifyou dropped them out of a plane and are
 loud and ancient and finnicky and I love them and wouldn't 
 trade them for anything.  So there.)

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From: Casey McMullen <st93wxta@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:54:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Grill badges

Put me down for one.

Casey M.
casey@drexel.edu

According to David and Cynthia Walker:
> I got a number of interested 'hits' on the subject of Grill Badges. The
> Bloody Knuckles Pub seems to be a "go" as a badge. If you are unaware of
> what a grill badge is - e-mail me direct and I will answer your questions.

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From: "Rover Jester" <roverjester@my-dejanews.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:00:25 -0700
Subject: Anybody know some Landrover jokes?

Enough of this series vs poshmobile belly button examining!

Let's face it, there will be poseurs, anoraks, and the ill-humoured in any 
large group!  But I suspect most of you are well-humored!

After all a yuppy scum that can tell a funny one well can't be all that bad eh?

So how about some Landy jokes?  Limmericks?

Sorry I wish I had some to share but I only know the timeworn Lucas type jokes.

Risque ones are fine!

Cheers

rj

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From: "Chris Dillard" <cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:07:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Grill badges

put me down for three!!

christopher d  (cdillard@aholdusa.com)
95 Disco
55 Series I  (The grey blob))
55 Series I  ( The Green, well almost green, Hornet)

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From: "Annie Strauss & Julie Leeson" <toulouse@mweb.co.za>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:03:52 +0200
Subject: Reply to Chris:  "New "Series One owner

Hi Chris
Just a short message to say high to you and your two "shorties".
Why on earth do you want to make them both into one?  Why not start on one
resto and keep the other as a second vehicle.  I also have two Series ones,
109 " though,but I could never, never consider sacrificing one to save the
other,  especially as there
serial numbers are 122701794 and 122701795.  Try beat that if you can!

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:09:35 -0400
Subject: Re: LR Yuppies

<< There he is, looking for a vein, chatting away to me about the 
steering on his
110, talking about Billing etc etc... eventually my missus says "hey, 
I'm in
the room as well"..... >> 

 Which reminds me of a (true) conversation that took place in our 
crewroom a couple of years back.
 
One of the guys asked one of our keener Licensed Aircraft Engineers:
 
 "Do you talk to his wife while making love?"
 
"Of course not!",came the reply,"What does she know about aircraft??!!" 

Paul

 Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:01

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:07:27 -0400
Subject: Re: POR15 or POR-15

One more time...
   FWIW THE place to order POR 15 from is 1-800-777-6715
maintenance specialties Co., New Castle Delaware
No shipping
No tax 
Very fast shipping placed an order 9 pm had it the next day via regular
ups ground!!
ask for the new catalog it is informative and if you have any questions
regarding the products leave your number and a guy named Bob will call
you back
I have no interest in this co. juust very satisfied with them 
Rgds
Steve Bradke  68 lla 
Albany NY     96 Disco

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:16:36 EDT
Subject: Re: answers

In a message dated 9/28/98 2:32:17 PM, Steve wrote:

<<I just installed two more Hella's because, well just because. >>

And that bring it to *12 Hellas*, right? Better look out with those Hellas...
a few years ago, some nameless fellow left the list in a huge huff after we
(ok, maybe it was I) chided him for having *too many hellas* in his .sig for
this list ;-)

He obviously didn't have our list's sense of humor, wit or tolerance of such,
and we know you do! 

That's one hella disco you got there, steve!

--pat.

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From: Thomas Jay Broeker <tbroeker@efn.org>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:59:34 -0700
Subject: auxillary gas tank

Hi!  I'm looking for a second gas tank for my 1974 Series IIIA 88".  I 
plan to install it under the driver's seat.  I'm looking for connections 
to and including the external filler mouth and cap (Atlantic British has 
the tank only--no external filler mouth available).  An alternative would 
be an older-style tank which can be filled directly by removing the 
driver's cushion.  Can anyone out there direct me?  In my Eugene, Oregon 
area of the world, I've not been able to locate any junkers (guess they 
just never die!)

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:17:54 -0500
Subject: RE: leaving the list for a few weeks.

>I look forward to december, new talks on the same subjects, go easy on
>the lawyer jokes for Luis' sake,

Thank you, Adrian.

>and keep my stool by the bar warm and
>my beer cold!

Thats the way to go.

Have a nice trip. I hope you come back with a lot of Alaskan stories for us.

Hasta pronto!

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

>and keep my stool by the bar warm and

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:34:44 -0500
Subject: RE: Not many series to see

> It might be interesting to take a survey and see how many people drive
>their series rover more than 4 days a week and/or are their primary means
>of transportation and/or puts more than 6,000 miles a year on the truck.
>Aloha Peter

Well, I drive my series tropical roof every day everywhere I go. Would that
make me count as 1 or 1/2?

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Jason B. Carroll" <carrollj@up.edu>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:39:08 +0000
Subject: Re: Anybody know some Landrover jokes?

Q: Why don't the British make computers?
A: They can't figure out how to make them leak oil?

Q: How many Land Rover Owners does it take to change a light bulb?
A: 21; One to install the bulb, 10 to argue if genuine parts bulbs are
really better than aftermarket parts bulbs, 10 to argue the advantages of
coil-bulbs over leaf-bulbs.

My favorite bumper sticker: All parts falling off of this vehicle are
genuine British parts.

----------
>From: "Rover Jester" <roverjester@my-dejanews.com>
>To: lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject: Anybody know some Landrover jokes?
>Date: Mon, Sep 28, 1998, 7:00 PM

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 98 13:56:51 -0700
Subject: Re: auxillary gas tank

>Hi!  I'm looking for a second gas tank for my 1974 Series IIIA 88".  I 
>plan to install it under the driver's seat.  I'm looking for connections 
>to and including the external filler mouth and cap (Atlantic British has 
;>the tank only--no external filler mouth available).

I browsed through the parts storage racks at British Pacific a few months 
ago.  I remember seeing a box full of the filler back plates (the thing 
that fits onto the body cut out that the filler neck attaches too).  I 
remember seeing caps.  They may have filler tubes as well.

My web site has a story describing how I made this modification on my 
car.  You might find it useful to read about how one person did the job.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: andy Smith <andy@bobstar.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:32:46 +0100
Subject: Re: Gator Grip - NOT!!

Duncan why are you trying to undo it?. If you are topping up do what I
do and remove the middle access panel in the seatbox and take off the
top inspection cover off the top of the Transfer box

-- 
andy Smith
1965 ser2a V8 swb ccv/road
1971 ser2a 2.25P swb road
Tamworth Staffs.

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:56:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Grill badges

<< I got a number of interested 'hits' on the subject of Grill Badges. 
The
Bloody Knuckles Pub seems to be a "go" as a badge. >>

OK, put me down for one.

 Paul

 Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:53

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: Paaul Humphries <paul.humphries1@virgin.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:18:07 +0100
Subject: Noisy Gearshifter

I had the problem of a rattling gear lever (shifter) on my late model
SIIa.
Changing the small "O" ring, part no. FRC1387, at the base of the lever
(shifter) cured it completely.
The worse problem was removing all the rusty screws securing the floor
and transmission tunnel.
The "O" ring costs a few pence (cents) and is worth checking to
eliminate before considering other options.
I believe not all gear levers (shifters) are fitted with them.

Paul Humphries,
Stoke-on-Trent,
Staffordshire,
UK.

1970 SWB SIIa diesel (ex telephone company vehicle)

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From: caloccia@senie.com
Date: 28 Sep 1998 21:55:07 -0000
Subject: unbeleivable....

So I'm in Albany, I've spent most of the weekend tearing apart the Range 
Rover - leaving the dash, drivers' seat and door liner, roof lining and
dash - down to the floor and the doors. Visited Eric, who is still talking
about new toys on his Range Rover.  Showed him my rust, and figure my '90
is about 3-5 years behind where his was rust wise, except, for some 
inexplicable reason, the windscreen surround is toasty on mine, far too
rusted compared to the remainder of the vehicle...

I drive it out to Stephentown (to the body shop), and it starts raining.
can't get the drivers window up (ack!)  disconnected the ground for the windows
along with the console removal...

Get back to the house, and head out. I'd wanted to beat the rain, but noooo
not my luck. pile stuff into the SIIa.  Forget to tie down the bottom of the
rear curtin.  Hope it doesn't suck too much CO, or rain, but I'll wait 'til
I hit the border (Caanan) to fix that.

Get to Caanan, realize, *I'm still dry*    Take off, up the hill, stop at
mile 30 to get petrol. Break open another oil container, etc. etc.  A mile
later, screaming down the hill (big tail wind:-) absolutely pouring rain,
and the wiper comes to a halt.  yes, the wiper, the one in front of my face.
(Face it, the passenger wiper is a place to carry a spare wiper motor,
so when the wiper goes, you've got a handy replacment...) 

So, somewhere between the Conneticut River and Westfield, I pull off and
discover the wiper is jammed 'cause the top of the wiper is stuck between
the frame and the windscreen, and the wiper motor is ok.... (now funny
thing is, no fuses blew when the wiper motor ground to a halt ?)
(um, well, it is an 11" wiper, and it over hung the windscreen frame, and
I trimmed the last 1/2" of blade so it wouldn't ride up on the windscreen
frame, and not clean the windscreen)

So back in and somewhere fifteen or twenty miles on,  it does it again.
pull over and fix it again, and this time mangle the blade a bit and it
prevents a re-occurance.... but now it rides up on the windscreen frame
and doesn't clean the whole windshield...:^)

Get into Worcester and, of course, it stops raining. Only the Mass pike and
South was innundated.... but, for the first, yes, very first time,
I didn't get soaked inside my own series.  Absolutely amazing.

    Cheers,
          Bill Caloccia			wpc@Caloccia.Net
	 http://www.Caloccia.Net/wpc/
				  R
       http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
   R  1  3  2wd  H OD		  D
   +--|--|   o   | |           L  3	Land Rovers First
      2  4  4wd  L N           |  2	    because
   '63 SII  RHD 88"            H  1	Land Rovers Last
      793-PTA            '90 RR County

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 98 15:17:47 -0700
Subject: Link to your site??

Hi folks

I'm in the process of doing some web site updating and trying to make it 
easier for people to locate things within my site.

If you have any sites that you would like my site to link to Please get 
back to me with your URL for consideration.

Meanwhile, I'm still requesting links from as many sites to mine as 
possible.  So if you have a web site and don't mind could you please add 
a link to:

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman

I should have my updated site uploaded in a day or two.

Thanks & take care

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: Jim Fraser <fraserj@webhart.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:29:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Serial # URL

At 02:20 PM 9/28/98 -0400, you wrote:
>What is the address to find out more specifics about series rovers
>identification (serial) numbers?
>Thanks,
>christopher d

Christopher,

Try this site:

http://www.off-road.com/OVLR/

Look in the 'Faq 3.2' section, the info you want is in there.

Jim Fraser
'53 80'

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From: Jim Fraser <fraserj@webhart.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:34:08 -0400
Subject: Re: T*yota/Series Engine Swap

At 09:35 PM 9/27/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote:
>>    Remember the old
>> Kawasaki 650, their first imported 4 stroke.  Rumour had it you could swap
>> all the innards into a BSA 650.  The only difference was no oil leaks and
>> you could count on it to run more than 50 miles without an overhaul.
>How times have changed.  Aren't the new (relatively - since 93?) Triumphs

using a
>Yamaha design?
>Frank
>> Kawasaki 650, their first imported 4 stroke.  Rumour had it you could swap
>> all the innards into a BSA 650.  The only difference was no oil leaks and

Actually, they supposedly copied a Kawasaki design.  The latest generation
of Triumph engines look original though.

Jim

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:37:18 -0400
Subject: Re: UK-USA time difference and phone question.

Christopher H. Dow wrote:

> New York (US Eastern Time):     GMT - 5
> Chicago  (US Central Time):     GMT - 6
> Denver   (US Mountain Time):    GMT - 7 (this varies during the year?)
> Los Angeles (US Pacific Time):  GMT - 8

The differences above are for standard time since they are relative to
GMT which doesn't change for Daylight Savings Time. But Britain goes to
DST only a week or two ahead of the US, and back to Standard Time a week
or so later. So these differences also work for DST except for those
weeks when you need to add an hour. (Too long an explaination)

In dialing from the US international calls start with 011, then the
country code which is 44 for Britain, then the number without the
leading 0. If you are using an older reference for the number, you'll
need to add a leading 1 to the number. All phone numbers in Britain had
a 1 appended several years ago to make room for more numbers.
David Cockey

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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:57:50 EDT
Subject: Stereo Instalation

  This should probably be asked on the coilers list, but that place gives me
the creeps.  I'll ask here.

  A friend dumped coffee down his stereo on his D-90 which killed the stereo.
He went to the dealer who quoted him $800 to replace it.  So he asked me to
replace it for him with an aftermarket system.  Called Crutchfield, and they
don't have an adapter harness for the Defender, but they do for thr Range
Rover.  Will the Range Rover harness work?

Enzo
PS - He let me drive the 90.  Very nice.  Nice ride.  V8.  However, the entire
time I was driving it, all I could think was that I could get about 10 decent
Series for the price he paid for one Defender 90!  

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@email.msn.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:01:47 +0100
Subject: Re: Grill badges

Put me down for two

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:56:21 -1000
Subject: Re: UK-USA time difference and phone question.

Just wanted to say thanks to all who replied
Mahalo
Pete

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:01:04 EDT
Subject: Re: Seeing the Seies Rigs

In a message dated 28/09/98 00:22:20 BST, you write:

 Europeans probably look twice when they see a Jeep driving around (a real
 jeep, that is, not the round-bodied cherokee line). Maybe they are even
 considered "exotic, collectible & desirable" across the pond. I dunno, anyone
 over there know? >>
Pat,
in the UK we enjoy seeing the very rare old CJs from the War era.
But modern Jeeps rely heavily on US influence and are almost without exception
jacked up and chromed. I know some people in the UK Jeep Club and only a
handful off road them.
Mostly we laugh at them - we say they are mainly owned by Hairdressers.
 Now how can I put this without offending someone. Let's just say that a male
hairdresser's favourite colour in the Uk is said to be pink.... get my
drift???

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:01:20 EDT
Subject: Re: Snow???

In a message dated 28/09/98 05:09:10 BST, you write:

<< They only improve traction on ice, >>
and hard packed snow - which acts like Ice.

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:01:03 EDT
Subject: Re: Seeing the Seies Rigs

In a message dated 28/09/98 00:22:20 BST, you write:

 Europeans probably look twice when they see a Jeep driving around (a real
 jeep, that is, not the round-bodied cherokee line). Maybe they are even
 considered "exotic, collectible & desirable" across the pond. I dunno, anyone
 over there know? >>
Pat,
in the UK we enjoy seeing the very rare old CJs from the War era.
But modern Jeeps rely heavily on US influence and are almost without exception
jacked up and chromed. I know some people in the UK Jeep Club and only a
handful off road them.
Mostly we laugh at them - we say they are mainly owned by Hairdressers.
 Now how can I put this without offending someone. Let's just say that a male
hairdresser's favourite colour in the Uk is said to be pink.... get my
drift???

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:01:37 EDT
Subject: Re: "NEW" SERIES 1 Owner

In a message dated 28/09/98 14:15:46 BST, you write:

<< d in 1988 so
 hopefully it won't  take too long to get some "fire in the hole". I don't
 think that I'm going to do a complete restoration. I'm mainly just looking
 for these to be "farm, local" trucks to just "beat "around in for now. >>
nice one Christopher,
now wave bye bye to your knuckles :-)>

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:01:39 EDT
Subject: Re: Beginning of the end for LR?

In a message dated 28/09/98 17:17:35 BST, you write:

<<  It takes between three and four times as many
 manhours to assemble a Defender as it does to assemble a Discovery or
 Range Rover. >>

yes, but Land Rover (or their Press Office anyway) say that, as so much of the
Defender is still ser 3 (most of the body in fact!) they have recouped
development costs many times over, so the Defender is still a viable product.
The man hours problem they're solving by going to South Africa for cheaper
labour.

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:01:22 EDT
Subject: Re: Oil bath air cleaner

In a message dated 28/09/98 06:51:43 BST, you write:

<< 59 Nash Metropolitan >>
David,
so you bought it!!

The Nash Metropolitan, built by Austin in Oxford, is looked upon in the UK as
our Edsel :-)>

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:01:40 EDT
Subject: Re: Numbers - Sightings

In a message dated 28/09/98 17:23:19 BST, you write:

 Two Renault 2-CVs commonly park a couple of blocks up at a State of CA
office.
 one is a rare 2-CV panel truck (Grey Market).>>

that's Citroen, unless Renault market them in the States??

 <<
 Two VW things park in front of the house as they belong to the students
across
 the street. >>
whats a thing? is it a US name for what we call a Beetle, or Bug?

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: "Sullivan, Mark" <MSullivan@tradecentre.com.au>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:19:39 +1000
Subject: FW: Gator Grip - NOT!!

brazing is the word

> > >Once I have removed the plug I braced an old socket to the plug
> making it
> > >the easiest thing on the car to remove.
> > If this is the same as welding a socket on, I recomend the same.
> > Pete
> Not quite the same, the filler plug is normally a brass plug and
> welding
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> the
> site what else it is called, you use an oxy-acetelyne torch.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:28:16 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Beginning of the end for LR?

In a message dated 9/28/98 7:05:03 PM, you wrote:

<<<<  It takes between three and four times as many
 manhours to assemble a Defender as it does to assemble a Discovery or
 Range Rover. >>

yes, but Land Rover (or their Press Office anyway) say that, as so much of the
Defender is still ser 3 (most of the body in fact!) they have recouped
development costs many times over, so the Defender is still a viable product.
The man hours problem they're solving by going to South Africa for cheaper
labour.>>

Why not just bring some South Africans to Solihull and keep 'em in the
basement?

Buy British!

--pat "with tounge lodged in cheek" parsons

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:29:49 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Numbers - Sightings

In a message dated 9/28/98 7:06:02 PM, you wrote:

 Two VW things park in front of the house as they belong to the students
across
 the street. >>
whats a thing? is it a US name for what we call a Beetle, or Bug?>>

The Thing was the US name of the 181, looks like a Kubelwagen, the military
looking corrugated sided one.

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:33:30 EDT
Subject: Re: Stereo Instalation

Rinse out the original radio and re-install.
Dry thoroughly, Low oven with door open for a couple of hours, or in
Sacramento, outside on the walk for half an hour, give it a try. if it works,
Charge him to remove & replace the radio.  
i.e. make him buy a coffee and not strain it through the radio.

Zack Arbios

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:36:42 EDT
Subject: Re:  FW: Gator Grip - NOT!!

In a message dated 9/28/98 7:22:39 PM, you wrote:

<<brazing is the word>>

I thought it was "mum" as in "mum's the word... ;-)

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:40:24 EDT
Subject: Re: Numbers - Sightings

OOPS, frank you're right Citroen...
I must have confused with my little brothers (6'-4") Renault Dauphine (now
deceased).  they don't swim for longer than five minutes or so, but the
headlights apparently continue to work for a while.

Volkswagen Thing is a relative of the WWII Kubelwagen more or less.  an
aircooled answer to offroading in  a  VW Bug.  You don't want one, really.  

By the way, I've got the top off of my second Range Rover, (pounding out
dents, not mine, previous owner).  Any trouble come to your mind for open air
driving this fine unit?

Zack Arbios

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:55:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Stereo Instalation

Re Coffee in radio:

Distilled water in a spray bottle - pull the covers and flush the Hell out of
it, cleaning as necessary wirh a camel-hair brush. Park it under an incandescent
lamp for several hours to dry it out.

Odds are it will work fine - used to do this all the time with radio gear that
ended up in toilets (also known as take the pager OFF BEFORE you sit down), the
ocean, lakes and the like. The big problem here is that coffee is conductive -
so once you get the spooge of dried coffee out it will most likely start working
again.

I've even done this to a videogame that got caught under a fire sprinkler -
worked fine.

               aj"N1TWY"r

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:14:42 -0500
Subject: RE: Not many series to see

>  Hey, if one
>saw land rovers all over the roads every time one went somewhere they'd be
no
>cooler than j**ps.  Well, maybe they'd still be cooler than j's.

I see land rovers all over the roads every time I go somewhere, and I can
assure you: They are still cooler than j**ps. At least for me they are.

>Have a friend at church w/ a Nissan Patrol.  His is the only one I've ever
>seen in the U.S.

We are infested by these creatures. But I'm sure Honduras could be Patrol's
capital of the world. One out of every ten cars there must be a NP.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:20:23 -0500
Subject: RE: Snow???

->Is this true? some side effect of El Nino/La Nina?

If you are going to spell it, spell it right:

El Niño / La Niña

OK?

Just kidding!! :-)

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Wise Owl Innovation Incorporated" <wiseowl@direct.ca>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:29:35 -0700
Subject: Re: auxillary gas tank

Thomas this is Ray Wood at Wise Owl in Vancouver.

We can sell you a complete used filler assembly (less cap) for US$40.00.

We also have in stock new caps and hoses at competirive prices.

Mail cost about $8.00

Check out the Wise Owl website.

www.bcoffroad.com/wiseowl

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> From: Thomas Jay Broeker <tbroeker@efn.org>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: auxillary gas tank
> Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 11:59 AM
> Hi!  I'm looking for a second gas tank for my 1974 Series IIIA 88".  I 
> plan to install it under the driver's seat.  I'm looking for connections 
> to and including the external filler mouth and cap (Atlantic British has 
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> to and including the external filler mouth and cap (Atlantic British has 
> the tank only--no external filler mouth available).  An alternative would

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From: Kathleen Hollington <kholling@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:26:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: LR dreams

Interesting threads about LR uses, plushmobiles, yuppies, "image
vehicles", lack of series rigs on the open road, etc.  Differing
opinions and views make for interesting reading.
 
About 25 years ago, when I was 17-18, I would have LOVED to have been
able to buy a LR.  I sent away for brochures (still have one today -
oddly enough, that must have been just around when they stopped
importing them to Canada).  Obviously, it was part of an image thing, an
envisioned lifestyle.  Like my wanting to be a wildlife biologist
(instead of the office-bound 8to4 informatics-type I've become).  I
suppose I used to watch "Daktari" as a kid, and wishing I was like that,
driving through the african savannah in an open top LR (he DID drive a
LR didn't he?)
 
A year ago last August, I finally made my dream a reality, buying a '68
88" station wagon and various used and new parts.  It featured a brand
new homemade frame (very well made, better than original) and a fixed
up, galvanized bulkhead.  The brakes were shot, there was no exhaust nor
shocks, the engine was seized and on a wooden pallet with the gearbox
(the vehicle came with a rebuilt 2.25 petrol on a stand, though), the
wiring was kaput, etc.  I am a family mand (6 and 7 year old) so quality
time spent working on the LR has been few and far between.  Still, I've
taken everything apart in my small garage, and have been slowly but
lovingly (tough often amateurishly) cleaning and refurbishing old parts,
or acquiring new ones.  Now I think I have all I need (I hope!) to put
it back together, as I have time.  I am just careful in trying to "do
things right", so I don't have to do it again too soon.
 
What will happen when I am done (whenever that is)?  Firstly, I hope it
starts.  Then, I hope it stops when I want it to.  I hope it passes the
safety check so I can put plates on it and drive it wherever I want to.
I dream of taking my kids on small "adventures" here and there (fishing
trips, driving the back roads).  Will I drive it for hundreds and
thousands of miles at a time?  Probably not.  But each and every time I
drive it, even if only to go to the grocery store to pick up a few
things, I will be very proud to be a LR owner, and to have basically
built this thing from scratch.
 
Until then, I try to "enjoy the ride", derive small pleasures from the
simple things, the small victories.  And dreaming the dreams I had as a
kid, whether they ever become reality or not.  We all need dreams to
live.  One of my dreams sits in my dark garage tonight.  To paraphrase
Robert Pirsig: "The real LR you are working on is a LR called YOURSELF".
 
Whatever you do with your Land Rover (be it a Series I/II/III, RR,
Defender, Disco, or even Freelander) - or any other vehicle that means
more to you than just a means to get from A to B, enjoy yourself.  Even
if only dreaming in a garage, of a sunny savannah and a dirt road
stretching to the horizon, while holding a shiny wrench loosely in a
greased hand.
 
        --Robert

-- 
Robert St-Louis -- OTTAWA/CANADA -- '68 IIA SWB LR -- 
  kholling@nrn1.nrcan.gc.ca.NOSPAM (remove NOSPAM when replying)

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From: "Wise Owl Innovation Incorporated" <wiseowl@direct.ca>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:33:39 -0700
Subject: Re: Link to your site??

Thanks TeriAnn the Wise Owl Website is at www.bcoffroad.com/wiseowl

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From: Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:46:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Numbers - Sightings

I believe Things were called Safaris abroad.  I also think that the NA
market vehicles were all built in Mexico.  Sometimes in an old war movie,
you'll see one, It looks like a square Beetle, usually with a spare on the
bonnet (which, in this case, isn't a hood, but a boot or trunk)  In
Deutschland they called 'em KubelWagen (mit Umlaut)

Todd

At 07:01 PM 9/28/98 EDT, you wrote:

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From: Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 17:57:38 -0700
Subject: Halloween noises meet Alignment

So I took the rover in for an alignment today.  Came back in the forecasted
hour and was told my Track Rod Ends (Tie Rod Ends or Ball Joints for LRSL
[Land Rover Second Language]) were too loose to give me an alignment.  I
>>need<< two but I'll do all four up front (The ones high on the relay and
box seem fine.  There's certainly no shortage of lubrication from the
steering box on the rearmost).  

Is this trivial?  Should I invest in a Ball Joint Puller?  Can I just smack
the s**t out of it to get 'em off?  Thoughts?  Hints?  Condolences?
Advice?  Shortcuts?

Thanks as always!
Todd

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:00:00 EDT
Subject: RE: Snow???

In a message dated 9/28/98 8:29:19 PM, you wrote:

<<If you are going to spell it, spell it right:

El Niño / La Niña

OK?>>
>.
Someone else has heard of "El Nino"??? 

El Nino, famous shortstop for the Santo Domingo Yankees in '58, should not be
confused with El Ninyo, or even El Niño. 

Content? El Nino, or in English: "The Neen" or "Neenerino", well he once saw a
series truck actually running on a freeway, but it turned out to be a jeep. 

;-)

--pat.

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:27:23 +0100
Subject: RE: Snow???

->Is this true? some side effect of El Nino/La Nina?
> If you are going to spell it, spell it right:

Okay, Luis... do I have to start correcting YOUR english... 
don't even get me started.... 

=:)

Actually, I have a good freind who is french, and even
as picly as they are about their language, she doesn't
even write email with accents... it can be a bit confusing
at times, but not too bad...

And as far as content goes, she's the one that I'm gonna
be in england with getting lost in a rented rover... =:)

-Scott

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From: WSKETCHAM@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:38:39 EDT
Subject: Series III Date of Manufacture

Can anyone tell me where to find date of manufacture for Chassis Number
94600999B.  If you know, I would appreciate an email.				

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:37:36 EDT
Subject: Re: Numbers - Sightings

There's a lady that works for TWA here in LAX, that drives (daily) a 2CV, and
has been, for the last 14 years that I know of.

Nissan Patrols: The one that was in the Nissan commercial "The Sandlot", is
(was?) for sale here in L.A., but the guy wanted WAAAAAAYYYYY too much money.
Used to see one in Van Nuys, that was a driver, and I called on one once, that
was selling for $800, but had a broken axle (can't get 'em anywhere!)...then
my Series II popped up.

Things: see them all the time here - at least one or two a week.

'Mogs: there's one for sale, I think in Long Beach, but not sure.

Tigers: well...the Sunbeam club is based in L.A....'nuff said there.

Gypsies: Pete, at Peters' Marina Motors has one. Runs great, but I wouldn't
know what to do, if the gearbox gave up! (engine is straight out of a Healey
100-4) He also has 3 (yes - three) Renault 4CV's!

Charles

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From: Pennock <4aces@ida.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:23:31 -0600
Subject: '88 II A   GENERATOR

        ANYONE OUT THERE????  if i pull the bulb out of the generator
warning light will it silve the "dead battery" problem? would that be the
"ostrich-in-the sand" schtick?  I've tried every thing else.

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:46:41
Subject: Re: Halloween noises meet Alignment

	The fork kind of puller (drive the fork in between the ball joint and
track rod and give a whack or two with a big hammer) are cheap and work
fine if you will not reuse the ball joint.  They mess up the seal/retainer
for the rubber skirt which will probably drastically reduce the life of the
ball joint if reinstalled.
	Don't have and haven't used the expensive pullers that don't mess up the
seals.  They aren't all that expensive.  Think the Range Rover version (as
in Cadillac or most expensive) is in the $60 range with the cheapies about
a 1/3rd of that.  One of the cheapies looks very like the illustration of
the official land rover tool, by the way.
	Good luck, changing these are one of the easier jobs on a rover.
Aloha Peter 	

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:51:16 -0600
Subject: Re: Stereo Instalation

At 06:57 PM 28/09/98 EDT, Jpslotus27@aol.com, wrote

>  A friend dumped coffee down his stereo on his D-90 which killed the stereo.
>He went to the dealer who quoted him $800 to replace it.  So he asked me to
>replace it for him with an aftermarket system.

Seriously now, I suggest rinsing the hell out of it in distilled water,
which you can get at any drugstore, and leaving the stereo to dry for
several days.

About ten years ago I managed to dump a full tumbler of rye and coke (not
something I'm terribly fond of drinking since scotch is far better to both
humans and machines) down the vent holes of a very new Sony Trinitron TV.  I
can't for the life of me remember how I managed to do this but then again
that's one of the other unfortunate side effects of rye and coke.

Anyway, I figured that the TV was toast and I was going to have to buy
another and put up with the fuss from the S.O. so I thought, nothing
ventured nothing gained.  

I poured buckets of water right through every part of that Sony and let it
dry for about a week.  I was then so worried that putting power to it might
cause some terrible explosion that I lashed three brooms, mops, etc with
duct tape (naturally) and pressed the power button from a safe distance.

The Sony is working to this day.

Recently I saw a post on a usenet group about a guy who had dumped something
into the keyboard of his Thinkpad and ended up with thousands of dollars of
non functioning silicon.  He solved his problem by immersing the keyboard
part of the machine in a sink and letting it dry.  Success there too.

Since the stereo is tubbie toast to your friend why not give water a try?

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: John Cassidy <rovah@agate.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:53:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 1999 Discovery Series II Information available...

Just a note to let folks who want to know more about the new model
Discovery, they can stop by the club website and see some pictures and read
about it.  The download is long due to the number of pictures.

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy, Bangor Maine USA
President, Downeast Land Rover Club, http://www.agate.net/~rovah/

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From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:36:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Seeing the Seies Rigs

---Frankelson@aol.com wrote:
 In a message dated 28/09/98 00:22:20 BST, you write:
  Europeans probably look twice when they see a Jeep driving around (a
real
  jeep, that is, not the round-bodied cherokee line). Maybe they are
even
  considered "exotic, collectible & desirable" across the pond. I
dunno, anyone
  over there know? >>
 Pat,
 in the UK we enjoy seeing the very rare old CJs from the War era.
 But modern Jeeps rely heavily on US influence and are almost without
exception
 jacked up and chromed. I know some people in the UK Jeep Club and
only a
 handful off road them.
 Mostly we laugh at them - we say they are mainly owned by Hairdressers.
  Now how can I put this without offending someone. Let's just say
that a male
 hairdresser's favourite colour in the Uk is said to be pink.... get my
 drift???
 Best Cheers
 Frank

According to local info, the Cherokee line is the most popular vehicle
with car thieves over here. I guess they are a status symbol in the
old eastern block coutries...
Smitty

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From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:40:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Numbers - Sightings

---Frankelson@aol.com wrote:
 In a message dated 28/09/98 17:23:19 BST, you write:
  Two Renault 2-CVs commonly park a couple of blocks up at a State of CA
 office.
  one is a rare 2-CV panel truck (Grey Market).>>
 that's Citroen, unless Renault market them in the States??
 Two VW things park in front of the house as they belong to the students
 across
  the street. >>
 whats a thing? is it a US name for what we call a Beetle, or Bug?
 Best Cheers
 Frank

I think the name your are looking for is something like klubelwagen.
The small square soft top they had in the War. In the 70's they had a
NAS version.
Smitty

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From: Paul Nash <paul@frcs.alt.za>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:02:18 +0200
Subject: Re:  Gator Grip - NOT!!

><<Anyone got any bright ideas how I might be able to get the little blighter
>out?? - I've tried adjustable spanners, mole grips, hammer and chisel and
>it won't shift (and consequently the plug is V. mangled).

Last time I had to do this with some *very* mangled filler plugs, I used a
monkey wrench (Stillson wrench), as used by plumbers and farmers the world
over.  The jaws are heavily serrated and wrap around whatever is being
gripped, so that they bite tighter with more force.

Throw the plugs away once you've done this, and keep the wrench for undoing
seriously rusted plumbing couplings.

	paul

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From: MARCINKO3@aol.com
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 02:04:35 EDT
Subject: Re: LR dreams

In a message dated 9/28/98 8:29:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kholling@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca writes:

<< What will happen when I am done (whenever that is)? >>

Simple, you will become whole. The light at the end of the tunnel will become
clear and all of your friends and family will be there; asking for a ride. Oh
sorry, I meant as soon as you leave the driveway the transmission will fall
out and roll down the hill setting your neighbors lawn on fire, while the rest
of the truck barrels down the other side of the hill only to come to rest in
your other neighbors living room. 
Please these ramblings. 

Rover on...

Steve 

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From: MARCINKO3@aol.com
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 02:33:10 EDT
Subject: Re: LR dreams

Sorry! I ment please excuse these ramblings!

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From: Harald Hansen <harald74@online.no>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:24:29 +0200
Subject: New face

Hello!

I'm new to this list, and thought I'd better introduce myself.

I'm 24, a student at the Buskerud College of Engineering in Kongsberg,
Norway.  I've been a LRO for two years now, when I scrapped my old Volvo
and got a 1976 SIII 88".  I recently sold that car and bought a 1976
SIII 109".  I owned both cars for a few weeks, and boy did that feel
good!

I take my LR offroading occasionally, but being my only form of
motorized transport, it gets treated fairly nice.

I'll behave myself while here and bring sawdust to clean up the oil
spills :)

Regards,
    Harald

-- 
Harald Hansen                       #========#       1976 Land Rover
Student, strategy gamer, LR owner   |___|__|__\___   Series III 109"
E-mail at: harald74@online[DOT]no   |  _|  |   |_ |}  Station Wagon
(Replace the [DOT] with a dot)      ""(_)""""""(_)"

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From: Harald Hansen <harald74@online.no>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:38:45 +0200
Subject: Re: Anybody know some Landrover jokes?

Hi!

Rover Jester wrote:

> So how about some Landy jokes?  Limmericks?

This one is supposedly from the Norwegian Jaguar club magazine, but it's
fairly relevant, I think:

Q: Why don't the English manufacture TV sets?

>.

A: They haven't found a way to make them drip oil!

Regards,
    Harald

-- 
Harald Hansen                       #========#       1976 Land Rover
Student, strategy gamer, LR owner   |___|__|__\___   Series III 109"
E-mail at: harald74@online[DOT]no   |  _|  |   |_ |}  Station Wagon
(Replace the [DOT] with a dot)      ""(_)""""""(_)"

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:39:52
Subject: Re: It can happen to you too.

	i pulled the transmission and engine out of my 109.  When you do that, 
of
course, the emergency brake linkage has to be undone.  Mine waited for
three days after before it took its solo run.  If it hadn't been for the
banyan tree, it would probably not only have gone into my neighbors living
room but thought and off the second floor lanai on the other side and into
the neighbors house beyond that.  Because of the steepness of the driveway,
it probably would have gotten to 40mph before contact.  The banyan tree
intruded early on however, so only have a bent outrigger, one mangled back
side panel and tail gate to show for the solo.  Why the damn thing decided
to make a run for it, three days after it was unfettered, is another
mystery.  Lord knows I banged, lifted, shoved and swore in the process of
the engine and trans removal and it didn't give one indication that it
would move on its own.  Once something like that happens, you think it
can't get any worse.  
Aloha Peter

, I meant as soon as you leave the driveway the transmission will fall
>out and roll down the hill setting your neighbors lawn on fire, while the
rest
>of the truck barrels down the other side of the hill only to come to rest in
>your other neighbors living room. 
>Steve 

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From: Harald Hansen <harald74@online.no>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:46:02 +0200
Subject: Re: tubes or tubeless??

Hello!

Art Bitterman wrote:
> So can I run safely tubeless on these rims? I'm running Goodyear
> Wrangler AT (Tubeless) for tires.

I don't know about your rims, but did the tyre shop clean up the inside
of the tyre before mounting it?  I've had three or four flats in the
past year, running tubes in tubeless tires.  When I got the last one
fixed, the tyre shop told me that it was some kind of small blocks on
the inside of the tyre that had rubbed against the tube, puncturing it. 
They cleaned up that one tyre, but said the other ones were probably
OK...  Now I have my doubts, because the other flats all were for no
apparent reason.

BTW, I'm running on 7.50R16 BFG Trac Edge on LR steel rims.  Lovely
tires!

Regards,
    Harald

-- 
Harald Hansen                       #========#       1976 Land Rover
Student, strategy gamer, LR owner   |___|__|__\___   Series III 109"
E-mail at: harald74@online[DOT]no   |  _|  |   |_ |}  Station Wagon
(Replace the [DOT] with a dot)      ""(_)""""""(_)"

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From: Markus Korth <mkorth@systline.de>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:42:18 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Re: Numbers - Sightings

Hi !

 > I think the name your are looking for is something like klubelwagen.

Almost correct: They are called Kubelwagen, where the "u" is a German
Umlaut...

 > The small square soft top they had in the War. In the 70's they had a
 > NAS version.

What is NAS ?

Ciao
 Markus

-- 
Markus Korth              |      SYSTline 
mkorth@systline.de        |      Heiden Lemmermann 
Essen/Germany             |      Systemhaus GmbH
Key fingerprint = FA 10 36 1E A1 F7 F3 02  0D A9 14 60 A8 51 E4 D3

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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:19:48 +0100
Subject: Re: LR dreams

Kathleen Hollington wrote:
I
> suppose I used to watch "Daktari" as a kid, and wishing I was like that,
> driving through the african savannah in an open top LR (he DID drive a
> LR didn't he?)

Then they say television has no effect!!
I was eight years old when there was a program called White Hunter on
the telly, (about 1956) he drove a Land Rover. I wanted a toy one for my
birthday, my mother gave me what she thought was the same but it was a
j**p; she had to take it back and returned with the Corgi model of the
RAF Landy.
I also remember watching the wildlife programmes with the Landy LWB
Safaris in almost every one.
Since that time I always wanted a LWB Safari.
That dream came true ten years ago and I can't imagine parting with it,
particularly since the rebuild onto the galvo chassis.
I use it every day to go to work and try to go somewhere for a day out
at least once a month.
Very tame compared to some trips mentioned on the list, but still
enjoyable.

Mick Forster
1972 109" Safari 2.25 petrol
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/LWBrst/LWBrst.html
1963 88" IIA 2.25 petrol
Very sad Metro :-(
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/landpics.html
http://members.aol.com/Tony4star/

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From: Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:19:09 +0100
Subject: Re: Date for Series 3

John Scott wrote:
> One of my 3 LRs is a series 3, chassis No.90105230A, first registered on
> Jan 12 1973.  In order to avoid paying Road Tax from next year, I need
> to produce evidence that the vehicle was manufactured in 1972.  This
> seems highly probable, but can you help me with any supporting
> evidence?
John,

We (SLROC) have no way telling when any particular vehicle was
assembled.  Certainly the chassis number indicates a Series 3 produced
between 1962 & 1979, serial number 5230.

The people you really need are the British Heritage Museum (in Gaydon,
Warwick).  They will do a search for a fee, and send you information on
the build dates for your vehicle.

For 10 quid, you get a letter stating the build date for your chassis
number.
For 25 quid, you get a copy of the full production records relating to
the chassis number.

(the first is sufficient for DVLA).

Send an SAE to:
The Archive Dept,
Heritage Motor Centre
Banbury Road
Gaydon
Warwick
CV35 0BJ.

The phone number, if you want it, is 01926 641 188

-- 
Ian Stuart
Computing Services
The University of Edinburgh

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From: "Peter & Julie Rosvall" <rosvall@nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:30:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Numbers - Sightings

> Two VW things park in front of the house as they belong to the students
> across
>  the street. >>
> whats a thing? is it a US name for what we call a Beetle, or Bug?
> Best Cheers
> Frank
>I think the name your are looking for is something like klubelwagen.

The name for the vehicles really is a VW Thing, that is the model, it is not
a kublewagen.  The Thing is not four wheel drive, but it is very basic, no
interior to speak of.

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