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From: "Dave Court" <dcourt@wantree.com.au>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:37:17 +0800
Subject: 110 What to look for

Hi All

I have been a lurker on this list for ooooh ages and I now I have
permission from the boss (she who must be obeyed) I am looking for a 110 (
all that pleading and nagging at last payed off :) ) I originally started
looking for a series vehicle but nothing met the criteria so a 110 it is.

But what should I beware of when searching for a vehicle I have scanned the
net and the list archives looking for such a buyers guide and can find
little or nothing of a constructive nature.

The vehicle I currently have in mind is a 1993 Defender 110 TDi with about
50000ks (31000 miles) on the clock all looks good without any apparent off
road damage and the price is good.

Any advise would be appreciated.

Cheers 

Dave

E-mail
dcourt@wantree.com.au

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 11:13:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Halloween noises

Todd Schlemmer wrote:
> What is a good test for steering linkages / trouble spots to check (late
> IIA)??  I hear spooky creaks when I turn (when moving ?) sometimes.  All
> fluids are topped up.  Leaves (leafs?) look good- no visible sag.  Rocking
> the truck doesn't seem to duplicate. 

The most likely cause of your problem is spring bushes that are toast.
Don't forget to check the ones in the frame too. You possibly have a bad
shock or a relay that is dry.
      John and Muddy

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 98 07:34:14 -0700
Subject: Re: Halloween noises

>What is a good test for steering linkages / trouble 
>spots to check (late IIA)??  I hear spooky creaks when
> I turn (when moving ?) sometimes.  All fluids are topped up. 
;>  Leaves (leafs?) look good- no visible sag.  Rocking
;>the truck doesn't seem to duplicate.  New tires, needs alignment.  

Last time I was getting strange creaking noises  I  had a crack in my 
frame.  The edges of the crack were rubbing together when the frame was 
flexing.  You might want to do a  frame inspection around the front third 
of the frame.

Also, have someone else turn the steering wheel back and fourth while you 
look over the steering.  Your steering relay may have come loose in the 
frame and be making noises as it moves about.  You have been lubricating 
the steering relay per the work shop manual right??  While you are at it 
check over your tie rod ends for looseness and replace them if you see 
any sign of looseness.

Sometimes the bolts holding the steering box to it's bracket become 
loose.  It can shift things enough to get a momentary binding that moves 
a body panel making a cracking sort of noise then the panel is released.  
Look very carefully at where the steering box connects to the bracket for 
any slight movement between the two parts as the direction of steering is 
changed.  Also on a left hand drive car, a loose steering box can add 
slop to your accelerator linkage and keep your carburetor for opening 
fully when the pedal is fully depressed.  If you need to tighten the 
bolts that hold the steering box in place, note that there should be lock 
tabs on the engine side of the bolts.  You may not be able to see them 
through the grime build up that tends to be there.

I hope this gives you enough ideas to go back & look again.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:47:55 EDT
Subject: Jim Hall's Gracious Weber Offer

Jim writes:

<< NADdMD@aol.com wrote:
 
 > Any chance that info can be loaded up to a website (say the land-
 > rover.team.net FAQ) for all to see?
 
 I don't know? How do you upload something to land-rover.team.net FAQ,
 and can .jpg files be uploaded to it? What I have is exploded views,
 part #s and float leveling/idle setting instructions. I may put it on my
 page if enough people are interested, and if not I could e-mail it to
 anyone who wants it. >>

Hi Jim,

I wants it!!  You can email me the whole kit and kaboodle.  If Bill Caloccia,
or Dixon Kenner or any of the other gurus don't think it's appropriate for the
LRO FAQ, I'll load it up onto my page as well.  (We could have a Weber Carb
Webring!)

Seriously Jim, I would love a copy of the the instructions and illustrations,
if you're willing to e mail them.

Nate

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:35:43 -0700
Subject: Re: Seeing the Series Rigs

Does anybody have any kind of idea how many series rigs are in the
states? All this talk of not seeing them made me wonder statistically
how often one should see them.

Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88"

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From: "M. Tompkins" <mmglass@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 12:59:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Jim Hall's Gracious Weber Offer

Same here...send it to me...i'll make some web pages.

Mike

NADdMD@aol.com wrote:

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 07:32:08
Subject: Re: Halloween noises

Sag is not an indication of the condition of your springs.  Mine did not
sag despite with three broken leafs.  Make sure your spring bushes are in
good shape and the bolts are tight.  You might graphite the springs as it
does improve the ride.  Check the steering box to be sure its still
securely fastened to the bracket.  Carefully look at all the joints while
someone else turns the wheel.  I hate to tell you this, but sometimes the
old bus just likes to talk to you.  Mine exhibits a clunk, when I turn the
wheel, every once in a while.  Haven't been able to track that down after
14 years.
Aloha Peter

>What is a good test for steering linkages / trouble spots to check (late
>IIA)??  I hear spooky creaks when I turn (when moving ?) sometimes.  All
>fluids are topped up.  Leaves (leafs?) look good- no visible sag.  Rocking
>the truck doesn't seem to duplicate.  New tires, needs alignment.  Pastel
>green.

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 07:48:13
Subject: Re: Not many series to see

	I think the number is less than 15,000 from 48 to 74.  With attrition
thrown in, there are undoubtedly less than 1/2 that number still in
existence.  No wonder that you don't see the series rovers out and about,
much.  My 88 is a daily driver and my only source of transportation, so you
will see me running around Kona.  I also see one or two others rarely.  The
other daily driver that I used to see often, now drives a disco, and only
rarely see him in the 88 now.  Its a fact of life that there aren't many
rovers out there to see and even fewer of them are regularly on the road.
I'm partially guilty of hiding a rover as my other rover, the 109, has been
a garage queen for 3+ years while I get around to it.
	It might be interesting to take a survey and see how many people drive
their series rover more than 4 days a week and/or are their primary means
of transportation and/or puts more than 6,000 miles a year on the truck.

Aloha Peter

>Does anybody have any kind of idea how many series rigs are in the
>states? All this talk of not seeing them made me wonder statistically
>how often one should see them.
>Jim Hall

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:13:06 EDT
Subject: Re: Not many series to see

In a message dated 9/27/98 10:49:35 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
ogilvi@hgea.org writes:

<< 	It might be interesting to take a survey and see how many people drive
 their series rover more than 4 days a week and/or are their primary means
 of transportation and/or puts more than 6,000 miles a year on the truck. >>

I'll bite:  Series III
		5 days a week unless I need the Discovery for afterwork use 
where the Series
III isn't appropriate (like meeting with out-of-town associates)
		Round-trip covered:	48 miles
		Times that it wasn't driven to work from May to date: 12 but 
three of those
were times when I was traveling out of town.  

Later...
Gerry
PHX AZ

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From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 11:16:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: leaving the list for a few weeks.

---Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> wrote:
 I look forward to december, new talks on the same subjects, go easy on
 the lawyer jokes for Luis' sake, and keep my stool by the bar warm and
 my beer cold!

Alaska at this time of year, I'll bet you wish for a warm beer before
you get back. Remember, if you are inside and the bear is outside,
don't move. If you move, he will see you. Where do you think they got
the saying; "crunchie on the outside, chewy on the inside"?....:-)
Have fun.
Smitty

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 08:16:43 -1000
Subject: Re: Not many series to see

> I think the number is less than 15,000 from 48 to 74.

If this number is accurate, then here is the response to those who keep
claiming that LR abondoned us in the US in 74.  How do you justify the
additional production expense required when you are only going to sell 1,000
vehicles a year in the market?  It seems to me that we should count our
selves lucky to have some of the series vehicles in a safe, road worthy
condition.  And I guess it also explains why the prices have been climbing
for used ones over the years.  In 1990 when I got my SIII 88 I remember
being told that the vehicle wasn't worth $500 because of the rust in the
rear 1/4 frame, gas tank and bulkhead.  Today I have seen vehicles in worse
shape listed for $1-2k.
No one asked for it, but thats my .02$
Pete

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From: "M. Tompkins" <mmglass@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 15:16:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Not many series to see

Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote:

>        <snipped>
>         It might be interesting to take a survey and see how many people drive
> their series rover more than 4 days a week and/or are their primary means
> of transportation and/or puts more than 6,000 miles a year on the truck.
> Aloha Peter

Drive my 109SW Series hybrid coiler a minimum of 23 miles round trip from
home to work five days a week. 'No Chance' is my primary means of
transport. In the past four years I have driven close to 30,000 miles.
Haven't ever seen another Series vehicle on my daily commute, lots of
Discoveries and Range Rovers. About a year ago I used to see a red
Defender 90 almost daily.

URLs to pictures of No Chance below. Lots of pics of Land Rovers
on this web site...Enjoy!
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/8365/LR/GreekPeak/mine.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/8365/lr1.jpg

Rovering to referee soccer soon - Mike

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From: john hess <jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 12:37:23 -0700
Subject: cape horn to alaska, input wanted

Hi,

I got a letter from a crazy (in a good way, not there's anything wrong with
that), Bedford Dormobile owner who is planning a trip from the Cape Horn to
Alaska.  The rip is planned for the year 2000.

Their previous excursion was from the UK to Beijing.  There is no short way!

They say that there route through the US is as follows
El Paso TX, Eagor AZ, Mexican Water AZ, Helper UT, Dutch John UT, Pinedale
WY, Yellowstone, Swan lake MT, Bull River BC, Lake Louise BC,  Croyden Str.
BC, Prince George BC, Burn Lake BC, Hazeleten, BC,  Bell Crossing BC,
Watson Lake BC, Teetin BC, Whitehorse BC, Kluone BC, Tak AK, Fairbanks.

I haven't checked a map to see if this makes sense.  I have written a
rpely, saying I would try to get some advice for things to see, ways to go.
That's why I'm posting this.  If you have input for these intrepid folks,
send it to me, and I'll print it and snail mail it to them.  OK?

cheers,

John F Hess   jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us
Land Rover Dormobile web pages:
http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html
1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis"
1960 swb pu "Stubby" (actually Katherine's),
1960 swb regular  Needs door tops and upper and lower tailgates.
 "The Mock 5" (Alex's) needs everything, donations accepted

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:06:55 -0700
Subject: Numbers - Sightings

I have also heard that there were between 15,000 and 20,000 shipped to North
America.............
So, how does that compare with other "rare, collectable" vehicles?

Anyone ever see a Nissan Patrol? There were only 2,000 shipped to North
America in a two year span. I saw one on Orcas Island, WA (driven up from
CA - then returning) and one in Moab (for sale).

Anyone ever see a Citreon 2CV? They produced over 6 million of these
vehicles with less than 2,000 arriving in North America - no, I do not see
these out on the open road. There are estimated to be only some 400 around.

There were 11,000 1967-72 Broncos made......similar vintage to LR's BUT,
still on the road, in many places.

How about Unimogs - particularly the 404. There are approximately 300 of
these in North America. I saw two in Moab on this last trip.

How about the VW 'thing' - type 181, they were only shipped from 73-75.
There were only 6,000 in this country 25 years ago, yet I still see them on
the road.

So, if we say that there are only 7,000 Land Rover Series in all of North
America that are able to run on the road - maybe another 3,000 that are
parts in all of your backyards (who out there has more than 5?)

So, I figure that my odds of seeing a Land Rover on the open road should be
good - if they were being driven!

So my question to the group is a bit different.
1. How many of you drive your trucks a minimum of 100 days a year?
2. How many of you will do at least two trips this year (with a minimum
distance of 400 miles each way).

 As you might have guessed, I am into all sorts of collectable vehicles -
and I made/used every one of them as a daily driver (50+ vehicles so far,
only 2 newer than '75) - I still remember the year I drove over 100,000
miles in that year alone, those were not business miles either!

Cheers
David
Full-time father of a 3.7 year old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:18:59 -0700
Subject: Answers

Oh, I would like the people who do not drive their LR's to come
forward.......my questions were in no way meant to say that 'loads of
driving' is 'the only answer'.

I just wanted to know who was taking theirs on longer trips AND who was just
using theirs on weekends or for off-roading only.

Cheers
David
Full-time father of a 3.7 year old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: "H.Rutherford" <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:28:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: T*yota/Series Engine Swap

Ya'll,
    With all the banter about Toyota FJ40's having rust prone bodies but
perfectly functional drivelines, has anyone out there seen or done an engine
swap into a series vehicle? Seems like a natural to me. 
                          
                                                       H. Rutherford
                                                       SerIIa 2.25 Petrol

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:43:28
Subject: Re: Numbers - Sightings

At 11:06 PM 9/26/98 -0700, you wrote:
>I have also heard that there were between 15,000 and 20,000 shipped to North
>America.............

	Think it is 14,000 that were actually shipped from 48-74.

>Anyone ever see a Nissan Patrol? There were only 2,000 shipped to North
>America in a two year span. I saw one on Orcas Island, WA (driven up from
>CA - then returning) and one in Moab (for sale).
	Nope, never seen one 

>Anyone ever see a Citreon 2CV? They produced over 6 million of these
>vehicles with less than 2,000 arriving in North America - no, I do not see
>these out on the open road. There are estimated to be only some 400 around.

	Actually saw one yesterday, Beluga Black with crazed plastic body.  

>There were 11,000 1967-72 Broncos made......similar vintage to LR's BUT,
>still on the road, in many places.
>these out on the open road. There are estimated to be only some 400 around.
	Are you sure on your Bronco figures, think they sold that many in the
first month, let alone the entire model run.

>How about Unimogs - particularly the 404. There are approximately 300 of
>these in North America. I saw two in Moab on this last trip.
>these out on the open road. There are estimated to be only some 400 around.
	Once again, doubt your figures.  Know of 5 on this side of the Island
alone.  Of course you never see these on the road as no one, not even a
rover owner, will cruise at 35mph and 5mpg.

>How about the VW 'thing' - type 181, they were only shipped from 73-75.
>There were only 6,000 in this country 25 years ago, yet I still see them on
>the road.

	If only 6,000 were imported, 5,000 must have come to Kona.  Used to be 
as
common as bugs around here until the rustermite ate them all up.  Now only
2 or 3 still on the road.

>2. How many of you will do at least two trips this year (with a minimum
>distance of 400 miles each way).

Let's fight fair, now!!!  The only way I could do a trip of 800 miles total
distance is to drive around the Island 4 times.  Still put on 10,000 miles
a year and the rover is driven 300+ days a year.

Aloha Peter

>David

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 23:37:31 -0700
Subject: Grill badges

I got a number of interested 'hits' on the subject of Grill Badges. The
Bloody Knuckles Pub seems to be a "go" as a badge. If you are unaware of
what a grill badge is - e-mail me direct and I will answer your questions.

Gerry Elam requested four.
Mike Foster requested two.
Rick Grant will take two.
Luis Manuel Gutierrez would like one.
Frank is interested - how many?
Art Bitterman is in for one.
Bill Rice requested one.
Dale Smith - how many?

Well, that is what I have - about 14 so far.
Yes I was serious. I took a look at the 'logo' for the site and think that
it would make a passable badge at best. I also choose not to use a
'copyright' logo - I am doing this so that anyone can have one. I need at
least 30 orders and then I will get them made. As I said before, they will
be made in a numbered run - for those who do not know, grill badges are
always worth more in the future.

Is there still some interest? Is there any one else out there that has more
computer graphics experience than myself - that wants to contribute input to
this project?

So you all thought that I would just go away on this one...........as I
said, I am into Grill Badges - nice ones, on Land Rovers.

Cheers
David
Full-time father of a 3.7 year old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:54:56
Subject: Re: T*yota/Series Engine Swap

	Saw one but it was not running and, I think, eventually scrapped.  Think
it was a complete swap right down to the axles but its a been a long time
since it was around.  If you look at the Toyota running gear, etc., it
looks like the old Japanese trick of "copy the concept but improve the
details".  It was hard for me to see the differences in the Toyota and
rover except for the engine and the lack of oil leaks.  Remember the old
Kawasaki 650, their first imported 4 stroke.  Rumour had it you could swap
all the innards into a BSA 650.  The only difference was no oil leaks and
you could count on it to run more than 50 miles without an overhaul.
	Incidentally, the FJ40's were not bullet proof, just had different
problems than the rover and were cheaper.  They are also not as easily
rebuilt or serviced as the rover.  Hear a valve job on an FJ takes a VERY
qualified machine shop.
Aloha Peter
 

>    With all the banter about Toyota FJ40's having rust prone bodies but
>perfectly functional drivelines, has anyone out there seen or done an engine
>swap into a series vehicle? Seems like a natural to me. 

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:00:21 -0300
Subject: Re: T*yota/Series Engine Swap

Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote:
>         Saw one but it was not running and, I think, eventually scrapped.  
Think
> it was a complete swap right down to the axles but its a been a long time
> since it was around.  If you look at the Toyota running gear, etc., it
> looks like the old Japanese trick of "copy the concept but improve the
> details".  It was hard for me to see the differences in the Toyota and
> rover except for the engine and the lack of oil leaks.  Remember the old
> Kawasaki 650, their first imported 4 stroke.  Rumour had it you could swap
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> rebuilt or serviced as the rover.  Hear a valve job on an FJ takes a VERY
> qualified machine shop.
 To say nothing of the infamous $600 exhaust manifold!!!!
John and Muddy

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:13:38 +0100
Subject: Source for 10V regulator?

Well, I got my fuel guage working... it works fairly well, except that 
with the engine off, but the ignition on, it reads high, cause it's running
at 12V instead of 10V... and when the engine is running, it reads VERY
high cause the voltage is then 14V because  the alternator is on.... 

anyone know where to get a decent 10V regulator? is that something 
that I should be able to run down to the parts store and get? 

-Scott

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:09:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Numbers - Sightings

David and Cynthia Walker wrote:
> I have also heard that there were between 15,000 and 20,000 shipped to North
> America.............
> So, how does that compare with other "rare, collectable" vehicles?
> Anyone ever see a Nissan Patrol? There were only 2,000 shipped to North
> America in a two year span. I saw one on Orcas Island, WA (driven up from
> CA - then returning) and one in Moab (for sale).

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 22 lines)]
> There were only 6,000 in this country 25 years ago, yet I still see them on
> the road.
 In this part of NA all the VW Things had rusted out by about 1976!! 
I travel down to Maine and beyond in my 109 several times a year. There
are a good number of daily use Series rover in the north east where I
understand a higher proportion were sold. So perhaps the answer to your
puzzle is the original distribution.
    John and Muddy

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:18:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Source for 10V regulator?

Scott Wilson wrote:
> Well, I got my fuel guage working... it works fairly well, except that
> with the engine off, but the ignition on, it reads high, cause it's running
> at 12V instead of 10V... and when the engine is running, it reads VERY
> high cause the voltage is then 14V because  the alternator is on....
> anyone know where to get a decent 10V regulator? is that something
> that I should be able to run down to the parts store and get?

 This a part that is common to a number of cars with Lucas systems but
it isn't expensive so go to Rovers North or Atlantic British etc they
will have them in stock for about $20.
     John and Muddy

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:45:14 EDT
Subject: Re:  Numbers - Sightings

In a message dated 9/27/98 4:16:05 PM, you wrote:

<<Anyone ever see a Citreon 2CV? They produced over 6 million of these
vehicles with less than 2,000 arriving in North America - no, I do not see
these out on the open road. There are estimated to be only some 400 around.>>

Seen 1. Heard 1.

There was a caller on the Click & Clack (the Tappet Bros.) show on NPR last
saturday who had a 2cv. It was a lady from just north of Milwaukee complaining
about halloween noises from the steering gear.

Anyone ever call in with Series L-R questions? Nahhh. They're too reliable,
and plus, we all know that we know more about these vehicles than they ever
will. ;-)

We should just keep calling in with faux J**p problems, like " I went wheeling
in my stock barbie edition wrangler and I got stuck..."  ;-)

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:56:42 EDT
Subject: Re:  Answers

In a message dated 9/27/98 4:27:29 PM, you wrote:

<<I just wanted to know who was taking theirs on longer trips AND who was just
using theirs on weekends or for off-roading only.>>

I'm a one vehicle person, and it has worked out ok so far.

I waited a few years after they came out, and got a 110. It is my only vehicle
and I use it here in the city, out on weekends, I travel in it, I offroad when
I get there, and everything else in between.  It isn't a total plushie, it
isn't a camper, but it holds me and some stuff, and gets me there, allows me
to have fun when i get there, and go back home comfortably too. My summer
trips average about 5000 miles in 4 weeks. Last year was a working trip and
was 7000 miles in 3 weeks. The rest of the year, I'm mainly in South FL,
*rumored* to be waxing it.

It works great in my equation of vehicle usage, on & off road.

YMMV,

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:59:44 EDT
Subject: Re: Numbers - Sightings

In a message dated 9/27/98 4:44:28 PM, peter wrote:

<<2. How many of you will do at least two trips this year (with a minimum
>distance of 400 miles each way).>>

<<Let's fight fair, now!!!  The only way I could do a trip of 800 miles total
distance is to drive around the Island 4 times.>>

ROTFL. 

He's on an Island! Granted, it is the *big island*, but the concept of a 400
mile trip in Hawaii is pretty funny.

--pat.

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:13:17 EDT
Subject: Re: Seeing the Series Rigs

In a message dated 27/09/98 10:06:49 BST, you write:

<< I, like TeriAnn, use my Land Rover as my daily mode of transportation -
this
 is it, I do not have another car (although I am looking at a Unimog for
 amusement). I also tend to go on longer trips with my LR.
 
 So, what is stopping the rest of you from taking these longer journeys? Too
 loud? - insulate the cabin area. Too rough? - graphite between the leaves
 (this worked when my wife was 8 months pregnant!) or load her down!  >>

yay !! let's hear it for David !

well put dear sir and not just the bits I have highlighted. 
OK so parts and wearing out are not as big a problem over here in the UK  and
maybe we don't have the same distances as you guys, BUT my Land Rover is my
only vehicle (and don't make the mistake of thinking my 1983 110 is like the
Defenders you lot had - it's a Ser with coils)
It wasn't quick enough so I put in the Iveco Turbo Diesel, it was lacking in
some creature comforts for long journeys, so I put 'em in, I habitually stay
away all weekend and as many whole  weeks as I can, out in the wilds of Wales
and Scotland, so I added bits and changed bits so it would do all those things
better - AND I use it to nip out to the shop for a six pack.
I do about 20,000 miles a year, for busines and pleasure and, believe me ALL
of those miles are a pleasure in my Land Rover.
 Drive 'em, that's what they are FOR !!!

oh, and sorry TeriAnn and David, but I live in the Lancashire Pennines and
there are almost more Land Rovers on the roads than people :-)>

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:13:05 EDT
Subject: Re: Seeing the Series Rigs

In a message dated 27/09/98 10:06:49 BST, you write:

<< I, like TeriAnn, use my Land Rover as my daily mode of transportation -
this
 is it, I do not have another car (although I am looking at a Unimog for
 amusement). I also tend to go on longer trips with my LR.
 
 So, what is stopping the rest of you from taking these longer journeys? Too
 loud? - insulate the cabin area. Too rough? - graphite between the leaves
 (this worked when my wife was 8 months pregnant!) or load her down!  >>

yay !! let's hear it for David !

well put dear sir and not just the bits I have highlighted. 
OK so parts and wearing out are not as big a problem over here in the UK  and
maybe we don't have the same distances as you guys, BUT my Land Rover is my
only vehicle (and don't make the mistake of thinking my 1983 110 is like the
Defenders you lot had - it's a Ser with coils)
It wasn't quick enough so I put in the Iveco Turbo Diesel, it was lacking in
some creature comforts for long journeys, so I put 'em in, I habitually stay
away all weekend and as many whole  weeks as I can, out in the wilds of Wales
and Scotland, so I added bits and changed bits so it would do all those things
better - AND I use it to nip out to the shop for a six pack.
I do about 20,000 miles a year, for busines and pleasure and, believe me ALL
of those miles are a pleasure in my Land Rover.
 Drive 'em, that's what they are FOR !!!

oh, and sorry TeriAnn and David, but I live in the Lancashire Pennines and
there are almost more Land Rovers on the roads than people :-)>

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:35:16 EDT
Subject: Re: T*yota/Series Engine Swap

In a message dated 27/09/98 21:55:44 BST, you write:

<< Saw one but it was not running and, I think, eventually scrapped.  Think
 it was a complete swap right down to the axles but its a been a long time
 since it was around. >>
we got a stripped down FJ40 in the barn right now (incidently the owner is in
the States, Virginia, on business) so I'll take a tape measure to it tomorrow.
BTW the six looks a bit long for a series engine bay but it don't 'arf look
narrow on the floor.

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:35:15 EDT
Subject: Re: Grill badges

In a message dated 27/09/98 21:45:33 BST, you write:

<< Frank is interested - how many? >>
for "The Bloody Knuckles" two, please.

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:35:17 EDT
Subject: Re: T*yota/Series Engine Swap

In a message dated 27/09/98 22:01:50 BST, you write:

<< To say nothing of the infamous $600 exhaust manifold!!!! >>
hmmm, his isn't so cool. Wonder if he'll bring one back in hand luggage. FJs
are rarer in the UK, never imported here officially at all, than Ser are in
the States.

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:35:19 EDT
Subject: Re: Answers

In a message dated 27/09/98 22:58:34 BST, you write:

<<  The rest of the year, I'm mainly in South FL,
 *rumored* to be waxing it.
  >>
Hey Pat,
how's the weather?
we've been getting some unpleasant news coverage over here....
hope y'all safe

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: SFmms@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:45:07 EDT
Subject: Re: Seeing the Seies Rigs

David Walker wrote:

<< So, what is stopping the rest of you from taking these longer journeys? >>

My husband and I just completed a 800 - 1,000 mile round trip drive to
Northern California in my SIII 88. We have also taken it to Death Valley,
Portland, Oregon (towed behind our Disco) 2,000 miles round trip and I use it
every day as well.  The problem is the vastness of the area and the relative
scarcity of Series trucks (recall they were not exported to the US after '74
and not fully legally until '93). Many owners want to coddle them too as it is
not always easy to find people to help work on them plus it is often difficult
to work on them at home due to zoning, city regulations, etc. 
Plus, it is also limited vacation time/funds that confines most of us to close
to home too. 

In places overseas, like Turkey where Land Rovers were still exported after
1974, one can see them in most every part of the country and they are still
used as working trucks. So the situation in the US is rather unique.

Karen Sindir
'74 SIII 88 Red Rufy
'95 Disco EFE

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:08:43 EDT
Subject: Re: Answers

In a message dated 9/27/98 6:37:02 PM, you wrote:

<<Hey Pat,
how's the weather?
we've been getting some unpleasant news coverage over here....
hope y'all safe>>

Thanks. It (the storm) missed Miami Beach by about 150 miles. We got a few
hours of strongish winds and hard rain.

The people to the south took a hit, and now The South looks like it will get
hit. Such is tropical weather.

Incidentally, for some content, a neighbor asked me if I was opening the 110
as a Hurricane Shelter! 

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:19:20 EDT
Subject: Re: Seeing the Seies Rigs

In a message dated 9/27/98 6:47:59 PM, karen wrote:

<< The problem is the vastness of the area and the relative
scarcity of Series trucks (recall they were not exported to the US after '74
and not fully legally until '93).>>

I was reading between the lines. 20ish years is indeed a long void (not
counting the 87/88 onwards RRNA years). There were vehicles made during that
time that demonstrated the lineage of the square rover; unfortunately for the
US, we have seen old, and new with nothing in between to soften the impact and
bring the lot together.

Europeans probably look twice when they see a Jeep driving around (a real
jeep, that is, not the round-bodied cherokee line). Maybe they are even
considered "exotic, collectible & desirable" across the pond. I dunno, anyone
over there know?

--pat.

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From: lndrvr@ldd.net (BRIAN WILLOUGHBY)
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:51:16 -0500
Subject: Re:  Seeing the Series Rigs

Could somebody explain to me why they think that it is so unreasonable that
so few Series Rovers are in daily use?  Unless my memory fails me (I know
that a lot of you already think that the rest of my mind has), the last
Series IIIs to be officially imported by British Leyland arrived in the
States in 1974.   LOOK AROUND: how may other 24-year old vehicles do you
still see on the road in daily use?  Around here, I might see some kid
driving an early '70s Volkwagen Beetle around, though otherwise, there is
nothing (and I live in a college town where clapped-out cars abound).

I think that this complaint could be levied by anyone who owns a vintage
car and attempts to drive it daily.  I also own, in addition to The Lady
Eleanor, a '63 Volvo PV544 Sport (yes, the one that looks like a '46 Ford).
 544s with the B18 engine are about as bulletproof as cars can get and I
know that there are a relatively high number of survivors; however, I never
see any of them being driven.  After four years of having owned my little
Swede, I finally spotted my first one (other than mine) actually cruising
up the road last week in St. Louis on I-270.  I drive mine occasionally,
though like Eleanor, I don't drive it on a daily basis.  I live 65 miles
from my workplace and keep a very tight schedule.  While it might sound
romantic to drive a 38-year old car to work, I don't need the worries and
inconvenience:  I don't have time for a roadside breakdown, especially
since I leave for work at 5 a.m. and travel most of the distance in the
dark.  And most of the time, I return home in the dark.  Perhaps I
shouldn't question the Land-Rover so much, though it does hold the
distinction of being the only vehicle that I have ever owned that left me
stranded one night on a dark, deserted road.

Anyhow, I don't think that it is at all uncommon NOT to see a car the age
of my Land-Rover or Volvo being driven daily.  I don't care how tough the
old Land-Rover is, it is, after all, 38 years old!  And I don't see many
other 38 year-old cars being driven to the office or out to lunch.  So why
does everyone think that it's so odd and perculiar that they don't see more
of these vehicles that are a minimum of 24 years old?  I just don't get it.

Additionally, some of us who have more than one car (I have four) don't
want spend the money it would cost to insure all of them in the same
manner.  My antiques are insured as such:  this limits both the Land-Rover
and the '63 Volvo to 2500 miles per year.  There are a number of other
restrictions that apply, such as not driving them to work or for commuting
(no Wal-Mart runs in the Land-Rover); however, I only pay about $40 for
each vehicle for the entire year.  Quite a bargain and a very small
tradeoff all considered.

I didn't buy my Land-Rover to use as my primary means of transport.  I had
wanted one since I was a kid (too many hours spent watching "Born Free" and
Dr. Leakey on National Geographic specials) and finally getting it was the
culmination of a dream.  I have spent a fortune over the past year
restoring the vehicle and I have to admit that I really don't want to see
it get bashed up by driving it to close to a tree on the family farm.  I
have had it off road and will in the future, though I'm not going to take
it any place that might damage any of the brand new body panels.  What's
wrong with that?  Sure, it may not be the vehicle's intended purpose,
though were all the Austin-Healeys, Triumphs and E-Types meant to only come
out at car shows for a few hours each Spring?  I don't hear anyone
criticising or complaining about the guy who owns a Morgan who only drives
it in the subdivision and to the annual British car show.  If it's not
wrong for these antiques, how is it wrong for antique Land-Rovers that have
been lovingly restored.  Weren't all of these vehicles meant to be driven,
used, abused and eventually sent to the crusher?

Okay, so some people on this list drive their old Land-Rover every day. 
That's fine.  Though it's not what I want to do with mine.  And it doesn't
make me any less an enthusiast or any less loyal to the brand or anymore a
yuppie.  For that matter, I'm a geologist and my "office" is in the field. 
And coincidentally, I had mine long before they became "trendy".  So there,
flame away. 

Brian Willoughby
1960 Land-Rover Series II 88" S.W. "The Lady Eleanor"

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:59:31 +0100
Subject: Car Talk

> Anyone ever call in with Series L-R questions? Nahhh. They're too reliable,
> and plus, we all know that we know more about these vehicles than they ever
> will. ;-)

Actually, this week there was a guy from Alaska calling in asking 
what he should do with his "'73 Rover" (That's all he described it as)
while he is sailing to the Galapagos in his 80 foot sailboat... 

Nothing technical... they just suggest that he "Vacuum Pack" it... 
by driving it into a plastic bag and sealing the bag... something 
tells me that this won't do anything for a rover....  Is there anything
that can happen to a rover by letting it sit for a year? As long as 
you prep it, and make sure nothing's living in the engine anywhere,
they should be fine, shouldn't they?

BTW... I have to find a place for my rover for the 6 weeks that I'll be
in England/France driving around in a rented 90... I'd like to find
someone who doesn't mind a couple extra oil spots in their 
driveway and would drive it around the block once a week or 
so.... any offers? =:)

-Scott

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:15:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Not many series to see

Re: Daily Drivers:

Sign me up - Mr. C and I used to do the 60-mile round trip into Cambridge before
I moved to Westford, MA...

He's still my dsily driver, and takes me everywhere - locally and long-distance.
Considering I've put well over 50,000 miles on him since I rebuilt him, he's no
pampered toy...

               ajr

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:34:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Seeing the Seies Rigs

You add:

Europeans probably look twice when they see a Jeep driving around (a real
jeep, that is, not the round-bodied cherokee line). Maybe they are even
considered "exotic, collectible & desirable" across the pond. I dunno, anyone
over there know?

I bloody-well hope not - damn near got my ass run over by one of the useless
things trying to cross the street in front of the Berlin ICC last week. I saw at
least 2 or 3 different ones, loads of Cherokkes and wagoneers and even a Chevy
Blazer (the big bugger, not the new suppository-shaped one).

Y'know, Mr C and I have done 100-mile plus trips - one of them even over a
weekend ( a true hell trip - 26 hours straight behind the wheel of a 109!). This
"Most Series owners are collector yuppies 'cause we don't see them" is tripe -
the fact that ANY of these old boys has survived in any condition whatsoever is
a bleedin' miracle - and not a reason to look down on the owner because it's not
being used for marathon runs.

Every Series vehicle I see at a show is a success story - at least a
quarter-century old, and still able to perambulate out occasionally to visit.
There's no reason to adapt a feeling of moral superiority over "mine has done
long trips - what's YOUR problem?" eh?

In the Northeast, I see Series vehicles out and about occasionally - not as
often as I'd like, but often enough. At least a half-dozen (and probably more as
I think of it) of the folks I know hereabouts drive them regularly, some as
daily drivers.Counting myself and considering that's in a user population of
probably two dozen I know of in the area, that's a use ratio of well over 33% -
a boatload higher than most other car collectors.

Get off it - the "mine is bigger 'cause I drive it" is unworthy of the group,
and a bit silly.

OBRover Content - While wandering what used to be East Berlin, I ran across an
ex-military 110, stilll wearing its camo paint. Roofless, baby seat in the
front, it was grungy but loved....you could tell.

                         ajr

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:56:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Seeing the Series Rigs

In a message dated 9/27/98 8:25:23 PM, you wrote:

<<You add:

Europeans probably look twice when they see a Jeep driving around (a real
jeep, that is, not the round-bodied cherokee line). Maybe they are even
considered "exotic, collectible & desirable" across the pond. I dunno, anyone
over there know?

I bloody-well hope not - damn near got my ass run over by one of the useless
things trying to cross the street in front of the Berlin ICC last week. I saw
at
least 2 or 3 different ones, loads of Cherokkes and wagoneers and even a Chevy
Blazer (the big bugger, not the new suppository-shaped one).>>

Ahhh. You didn't look twice before trying to cross the street, and the jeep
just became part of the background, something we're too used to seeing over
here, so it didn't stand out until it was above you?

What's the Berlin ICC?

Maybe the 110 was Franz Parsefall's. Haven't heard from him in a bit, but he's
over there with a 110.

--pat.

ps:  Good points on the "mine is bigger theory" I'll second the e-motion.

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:57:50 -0700
Subject: Re: Grill badges

David and Cynthia Walker wrote:
> I got a number of interested 'hits' on the subject of Grill Badges. The
> Bloody Knuckles Pub seems to be a "go" as a badge.

I will take one.

Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88" with a bent tusk from my latest trail ride

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From: Jarvis64@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:02:19 EDT
Subject:  Re: Not many series to see

6,000 miles per year?  HA!  I did that in less than 4 weeks this summer.  Mrs.
Merdle's my only transpo, and has been behaving remarkably well the past 6
mo.--very, very few problems.   I've driven her 880 miles in one day and 2000
on a 4-day weekend.   Big trips, short trips, all trips for some three years.
Granted, I'm a cheater--have the Chevy 2.5l in there, but everything else is
Rover.   But I think if I were about 20 years older, or had kids (or a wife,
for that matter) I'd probably want something a bit more gentle (and cool) for
road trips in the 100+ heat.  When you're young and dumb, it's fun to drive
shirtless across Kansas, nearly dying from the heat off road and bulkhead, but
I reckon there will come a time when my butt is a bit too old, my hearing too
poor, and my body too worn out to put myself through this abuse.  So I
understand all you non-drivers out there and don't get riled-up.  Hey, if one
saw land rovers all over the roads every time one went somewhere they'd be no
cooler than j**ps.  Well, maybe they'd still be cooler than j's.

Have a friend at church w/ a Nissan Patrol.  His is the only one I've ever
seen in the U.S.

Bill Rice
64 109SW Mrs. Merdle.
Columbus GA (black vinyl seats and 95 degree septembers go so well together).

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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:12:51 EDT
Subject: Re: Grill badges

In a message dated 98-09-27 21:03:33 EDT, you write:

<<  I got a number of interested 'hits' on the subject of Grill Badges. The
 > Bloody Knuckles Pub seems to be a "go" as a badge.
  >>

Me Too

Enzo

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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:19:49 EDT
Subject: Re: Seeing the Series Rigs

In a message dated 98-09-27 20:58:40 EDT, you write:

<< ps:  Good points on the "mine is bigger theory"  >>

     I do drive mine to work most days, but it's only 2 miles each way.  I was
feeling somewhat small and inadequate up against some of you guys driving 50
miles to work. 
     It almost reminded me of when I was a youngster and we had to take a
shower after gym class.  'course, I was the one making others feel inadequate
then (heh, heh, heh)

Enzo - Mr Big

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From: "Franklin H. Yap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:45:53 -0700
Subject: Re: Seeing the Series Rigs

BRIAN WILLOUGHBY wrote:

> Could somebody explain to me why they think that it is so unreasonable that
> so few Series Rovers are in daily use?

It is not unreasonable.  I think the thread is in response to the bragging that
Series LRs are bulletproof and (should be) useful as an every day touring
vehicle.

>  LOOK AROUND: how may other 24-year old vehicles do you
> still see on the road in daily use?  Around here, I might see some kid
> driving an early '70s Volkwagen Beetle around, though otherwise, there is
> nothing (and I live in a college town where clapped-out cars abound).

You may have picked a bad example.  There are LOTS of old VW bugs around the SF
Bay Area.  Several people in my neighbourhood have them - and use them!  (The
Bay Area may not be normal in that regards.)  However, there were a lot of them
sold.  With the resurgence of the new bug, I expect to see more.

  Frank

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From: Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:57:54 -0700
Subject: Seeing the Series Rigs

I know I said something to this effect some time ago, but the net gremlins
ate it:

I live on an island in Puget Sound (no bridges), population ~ 11,000.  I
know of at least 8 88" series vehicles on the island - in various degrees
of repair/decay.  I also saw a sandstone 109" a few weeks ago.  
-One belongs to a kid (I see it in the student parking lot at the HS).
-I met a fellow driving a sandstone 88" who says he has another SWB.
-There is a softtop 88 with tall skinny tires and a half-ass camo-ish
sprayed-everything paint job.  I see this at the ferry park and ride
occasionally.
-There is a fellow that commutes daily to his business in seattle.
-There is rumored to be an immaculate brown SIII parked on someone's back
40.  They drive it around their property every few weeks. 
-Another one was reported to me by my brother-in-law.
-and mine

I drive mine everyday if possible.  I run all my errands and occasional
trips in to seattle in it.  Most trips are under 20 miles, but I haven't
been stranded yet.   Once I get it in prime nick, I want to make an
expeditionary trip (ya know, the kind where you have to pack spares...) of
some sort, even if only to visit relatives in Montana (LOTS of places to go
in MT).

I am looking forward to the purported dreadful winter I keep hearing
forcasted.  SNOW SNOW SNOW! 

Todd

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:08:37 +0100
Subject: Snow???

> I am looking forward to the purported dreadful winter I keep hearing
> forcasted.  SNOW SNOW SNOW! 

Is this true? some side effect of El Nino/La Nina? I'd love to have
tons of show around... I just started snowboarding, and I'd hate 
to have to go out to Utah just to get decent snow this year... And
I'd love to show off the rover in the snow =:)

anyway... I have Cooper Discoverers, and they have those holes
that you can put metal studs in... is this something that is
supposed to act like anow chains? has anyone had any experience
with these studs?

-Scott

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From: Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:08:28 -0700
Subject: Alignment specs? 

What is the specified toe-in for a 71' SIIA 88?  Are there adjustments for
caster, camber, or other?  

I need the local garage yay-hoos to align it, but I don't want them to guess.
Todd

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:03:20 -0700
Subject: Re: Snow???

Scott Wilson wrote:
> anyway... I have Cooper Discoverers, and they have those holes
> that you can put metal studs in... is this something that is
> supposed to act like anow chains? has anyone had any experience
> with these studs?
	They don't act like chains. They only improve traction on ice, although
they are illegal in some places due to the fact that they can tear up
dry pavement. They also will wear down or get ripped out if you go off
road where there are rocks. Other than that they work fine.

Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88"

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From: Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:13:13 -0700
Subject: Re: Snow???

I think the studs really come into their own on icy roads.  I don't know
about your weather, but the kind of snow we typically get in the puget
sound lowland is very damp and slushy.  Nuthin' gets traction in it.  It
paralyzes Seattle because they are not equipped to deal with it other than
sanding the next day (NO SALT!  :^) )  It usually melts the next day, but
we almost always have weeks with black ice problems in the rural areas and
studs would be very helpful for that.

bboT

At 12:08 AM 9/28/98 +0100, you wrote:

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:17:50 -0700
Subject: Re: Alignment specs?

Todd Schlemmer wrote:
> What is the specified toe-in for a 71' SIIA 88?  Are there adjustments for
> caster, camber, or other?

Specs are:
toe-in 1.2 to 2.4 mm
camber 1 1/2 degrees
castor 3 degrees

Castor and camber are nonadjustable. When they charge you to
check/adjust the toe, make sure they don't bend you over as it is a
simple adjustment. If you have play in any steering components they may
not be able to adjust it however.

Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88" with a bent tusk

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From: "Franklin H. Yap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:31:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Car Talk

Scott Wilson wrote:

> BTW... I have to find a place for my rover for the 6 weeks that I'll be
> in England/France driving around in a rented 90... I'd like to find
> someone who doesn't mind a couple extra oil spots in their
> driveway and would drive it around the block once a week or
> so.... any offers? =:)

For just 6 weeks I'd pull the battery, tarp it, and put a drip pan under it.
Maybe plug the muffler.  A short drive around the block once per week is 
probably
not good for the engine.

Frank

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From: "Franklin H. Yap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:35:03 -0700
Subject: Re: T*yota/Series Engine Swap

Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote:

>    Remember the old
> Kawasaki 650, their first imported 4 stroke.  Rumour had it you could swap
> all the innards into a BSA 650.  The only difference was no oil leaks and
> you could count on it to run more than 50 miles without an overhaul.

How times have changed.  Aren't the new (relatively - since 93?) Triumphs using 
a
Yamaha design?

Frank

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:51:38 +0100
Subject: RE: Car Talk

> For just 6 weeks I'd pull the battery, tarp it, and put a drip pan under it.
> Maybe plug the muffler.  A short drive around the block once per week is 
probably
> not good for the engine.

This won't work in NYC... Mainly I just need a place to put it
while I'm gone. When I'm here, I have to move it about twice a 
week from one side of the street to the other so the street
cleaners can do their jobs. 

No big deal... I'm sure I'll be able to find a non rover owner
to take care of it for that amount of time, but I didn't want
anyone to be overly surprised if their driveway was defaced
after only a day or two... =:)

later...

-Scott

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 08:29:00 -0700
Subject: studs - chains

Yes, studs are just like snow chains............

hahahahahahahahahaha
like a Suzuki is just like a Land Rover.
no harm intended.............

I could not resist - I carry a set of V-bar chains for the rear and regular
chains for the front - none of those 'radial' chains for me.
And, I HATE studs whipping out of tires as you pass me on the highway. Hits
objects like a .22 - great for driving off road with your friends as they
fly out of your tire when you are spinning and suddenly get traction.

Cheers
David - the anti STUD -
Full-time father of a 3.7 year old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 08:43:40 -0700
Subject: Oil bath air cleaner

I am a big fan of oil bath air cleaners. I have had them on a number of
engines any vehicles - to mention a few........
56 GMC w/ 292
64 Dodge w/ 318
Land Rover (obviously)
59 Nash Metropolitan
95 Ural motorcycle
52 WD9 tractor

Someone asked about getting an oil bath air cleaner that would either fit a
larger engine or larger carb - no problem - just get one off of a 40's to
mid 60's American car or truck with an opening that is of a size that will
fit on the carb. Most American oil baths - especially the ones that were
fitted to a V8 - will be of low enough profile as to fit on the carb and
under the hood with no problem.

Need incentive as to how well an oil bath works......when Mt. St, Helens
erupted with its fine ash, a number of county vehicles (cars and trucks)
scrambled to fit air cleaners that could keep out the microscopic
dust......guess what was often fitted.
Well, two types, the oil bath and the Centrifugal type (used on large
trucks) of filters were effective against the dust clogging the filter or
entering the engine. Notice that the Land Rover filter combines both of
these filtering techniques.

Remember, K&N does not recommend that their filters be used for off-road use
in dusty conditions.

Cheers
David
Full-time father of a 3.7 year old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:53:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Grill badges

I'm probably going to jinx myself on the one we are trying to buy, but
put me down for two.
Smitty

---David and Cynthia Walker  wrote:
 I got a number of interested 'hits' on the subject of Grill Badges. The
 Bloody Knuckles Pub seems to be a "go" as a badge. If you are unaware
of
 what a grill badge is - e-mail me direct and I will answer your
questions.
 Gerry Elam requested four.
 Mike Foster requested two.
 Rick Grant will take two.
 Luis Manuel Gutierrez would like one.
 Frank is interested - how many?
 Art Bitterman is in for one.
 Bill Rice requested one.
 Dale Smith - how many?
 Well, that is what I have - about 14 so far.
 Yes I was serious. I took a look at the 'logo' for the site and think
that
 it would make a passable badge at best. I also choose not to use a
 'copyright' logo - I am doing this so that anyone can have one. I
need at
 least 30 orders and then I will get them made. As I said before, they
will
 be made in a numbered run - for those who do not know, grill badges are
 always worth more in the future.
 Is there still some interest? Is there any one else out there that
has more
 computer graphics experience than myself - that wants to contribute
input to
 this project?
 So you all thought that I would just go away on this one...........as I
 said, I am into Grill Badges - nice ones, on Land Rovers.
 Cheers
 David

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:01:13 -1000
Subject: Re: Snow???

WOW!! Snow?? Really?
I didn't realise that it snowed in Oahu.  Then again we are so 'much'
further north then Hawaii.  hehehe
Pete

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:21:56 -0500
Subject: RE: Grill badges

I would be interested in two of thew grill badges.

Cwolfe

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:31:35 -0500
Subject: RE: Seeing the Series Rigs

Drove my Series IIA 109A as a daily driver for seven years as sole vehicle.
Took many trips from back and forth from North Carolina to PA and on a many
trips from North Carolina to northern WI.  Was daily driver in northern MN
with 62 mile round trip until frustration and bad rear view vision (dog boxs
on back of Pickup) cause me to impulse buy a GMC.  But 90 K on GMC and sold
it, new engine in 109 and it is now my daily driver again.  

Really like it for my fall hunting/gathering trips from MN to MT to WI to
MI.  Will probably drive it out to the Grand National Grouse Championship in
New Hampshire in November.  My friends think me crazy, but it is a sound
driver and has never left me stranded (but has left me very late, cold wet
and pissed)

cwolfe

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From: jory bell <jory@mit.edu>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:55:37 -0700
Subject: Re: Seeing the Series Rigs

my rover was my first and only vehicle for perhaps 7 years. after a lot of
work over the years, culminating in a frameup, i drove it cross country in
1994. the rover then did around 100miles per day commuting for quite a
while. a couple years back, i obtained a citroen ds21, and the long range
rover (err, long range series rover ;) use has definitely declined. the
ds21 is just so much fun to drive! recently, the rover has been edged out
of some of its local use by the isetta which is the ultimate vehicle in a
fairly congested city with limited parking. i must say i enjoyed the rover
as a daily driver much more in the east coast where there was real weather
to give the rover a better sense of purpose when just tooling around town
(i loved driving it in the snow). it is still my work truck for moving
things (roof rock, yay! :) but its usage has definitely gone down quite a
bit. i think if i wasn't so attached to it, i would sell it based on its
relative infrequent outings these days, but i am super attached to it, so
it is hard to sell for mere money.

::jory

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 02:58:48 EDT
Subject: Re: Numbers - Sightings

In a message dated 98-09-27 17:46:50 EDT, you write:

<< Seen 1. Heard 1.
 
 There was a caller on the Click & Clack (the Tappet Bros.) show on NPR last
 saturday who had a 2cv. It was a lady from just north of Milwaukee
complaining
 about halloween noises from the steering gear. >>

Hey Pat...

That young lady from Milwaukee, is actually in Cedarburg, and her name is
Karen - her hubby (Bill) restores/race preps Healeys, and the occasional 2CV.
I've known them for years, and they're cool people...used to work for them
part-time, when they lived in L.A.

Wait till she hears that she's famous on the 'net!

Charles

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 03:12:07 EDT
Subject: Re: Seeing the Series Rigs

BTW - if anybody in the L.A. area sees a primer grey SII 88" on or about
Laurel Canyon Drive, in the next few (or last few) days - it's ME!

Got it running yesterday, after sitting for 2 years with a broken gearbox, and
it's happy as can be. I forgot how nice the steering is in it (2 fingers!),
and it's blindingly fast compared to my diesel, but boy - there's absolutely
no legroom for my 6'2" frame!

Been using it to assist me in my weed abatement on a friends' lot up there,
and it climbs those narrow roads, as if it were going downhill! Only bad part
- I got rained on today (didn't put the hard top back on yet, and no soft
top). Have probably put a hundred miles on it in the last few days.

Charles

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From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:50:34 +0100
Subject: Gator Grip - NOT!!

Hi all........

At the weekend I bought one of those one-size-fits-all sockets called Gator
grip, with the hope that it would manage to shift the filler plug on my
tranny box (it used to be 0.5" square, but now it's VERY mangled).

The adverts for gator grip reckoned it would undo mangled bolts. So, I
tried it and PING three of the pins broke off and the plug never budged. I
went back to the shop and swapped it for another one, which then did
exactly the same on the car park - so I got a refund!!

Anyone got any bright ideas how I might be able to get the little blighter
out?? - I've tried adjustable spanners, mole grips, hammer and chisel and
it won't shift (and consequently the plug is V. mangled).

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
*******************************
Big Bad n' Blue

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From: "Piet Fourie : pah@saao.ac.za" <pah@saao.ac.za>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:23:08 +0200 (SAT)
Subject: Re: Gator Grip - NOT!!

Duncan

I had a similar problem on a rangie and the only way was to remove the
side panel on the box where the filler plug is.  On the workbench it may
be a bit easier.  I am not sure that you can do it with the box, I know
that the series one box (wifes truck) it is not possible.

Once I have removed the plug I braced an old socket to the plug making it
the easiest thing on the car to remove.

> At the weekend I bought one of those one-size-fits-all sockets called Gator
> grip, with the hope that it would manage to shift the filler plug on my
> tranny box (it used to be 0.5" square, but now it's VERY mangled).
> Anyone got any bright ideas how I might be able to get the little blighter
> out?? - I've tried adjustable spanners, mole grips, hammer and chisel and
> it won't shift (and consequently the plug is V. mangled).

Best Luck

Piet

80 RR
55 Series 1

P.A.H. Fourie   ( pah@saao.ac.za )
South African Astronomical Observatory.
P.O. Box 25 Sutherland 6920 South Africa.
Tel 023 5711135. Fax 023 5711413

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:29:50 -1000
Subject: Re: Gator Grip - NOT!!

>Once I have removed the plug I braced an old socket to the plug making it
>the easiest thing on the car to remove.

If this is the same as welding a socket on, I recomend the same.
Pete

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@email.msn.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:15:17 +0100
Subject: Re : Yuppies, Series Rigs etc. and whine moan.....

Guys,

I've been reading this thread for a while now, it's really academic, if
someone wants to buy a vehicle because they like what it stands for, so be
it, but WHAT IF THEY LIKE THE DESIGN?!

I own a F*ord E*plorer okay, I bought it because I have a growing family,
the Scorpio I owned before it was fully loaded and did everything, but it
couldn't handle the luggage for 2 babies. I saw an Explorer, saw the
alternatives, weighed up the costing and decided that £28000 for a new
Scorpio Estate was worth spending on a £28000 Explorer, and I couldn't
afford the £45000 for an equivalent Rangie okay!?

I LIKE THE DESIGN. I have taken her off road, she performs fine, SHE HAS
LIMITS though, I take the old SIII anywhere, it only take a hammer to
straighten her out, but a £28000 car? C'mon!

I suppose I am among the minority in the UK, I am mad enough to try and
offroad a 1 month old vehicle (thats how old she was when she went mud
diving)...she got hung up on a tree, but hey, who cares? It's only a piece
of metal in the end, a bit of spray and ABS plastic put her back in showroom
condition. DON'T GET MAD AT THE OWNERS WHO BUY AN OFFROADER BECAUSE THEY
LIKE THE LOOK.

They are SUPPORTING the manufacturer by purchasing the NEW vehicles and
providing a market for the marque!!!!

GET REAL GUYS...STOP SLAGGING PEOPLE FOR OWNING PLUSH MOBILES EH?! My club
is an all marque club, and we all GET ALONG, we have Vitaras, Explorers and
MORE LR's than anything else, but we all LOVE DRIVING OFFROAD.

Anyway, I guess my point is, LIVE AND LET LIVE. If you are p*ssed off by
people buying new cars and treating them like 'trollies', live with it, they
will only them until the lease runs out in 2 years, and then they'll be on
the market again (in the UK anyway..at half the cost!)

Neil (gosh, I need pint now)

P.S.

To the touring people, if you want a base in the UK to see lots of places,
Northampton is as good as any, EMAIL me and I'll gladly put you up
somewhere!!!!

SIII '78 2.25 Petrol LWB Canvas - BNH 449S Salisbury Diff. Zenith Carb -
'The Rancor'

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From: "Piet Fourie : pah@saao.ac.za" <pah@saao.ac.za>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:44:13 +0200 (SAT)
Subject: Re: Gator Grip - NOT!!

> >Once I have removed the plug I braced an old socket to the plug making it
> >the easiest thing on the car to remove.
> If this is the same as welding a socket on, I recomend the same.
> Pete

Not quite the same, the filler plug is normally a brass plug and welding
will not work. I am not sure with all the different english lingos on the
site what else it is called, you use an oxy-acetelyne torch.

Piet 

P.A.H. Fourie   ( pah@saao.ac.za )
South African Astronomical Observatory.
P.O. Box 25 Sutherland 6920 South Africa.
Tel 023 5711135. Fax 023 5711413

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:44:11 -1000
Subject: UK-USA time difference and phone question.

Bit silly but what is the time difference accross the pound?  Say New York
to Doncaster?  Is it 6 hours?
And if one was to call to Designa Chassis @ 01302341153 from the States how
would one do that?
I have found out that to ship a chassis from the Mainland to Hawaii will
cost me $1200.  As the things are $500 cheeper direct from the UK I should
investigating shipping from there.  And hell while I am at it the 88" coil
spring chassis is just a couple hundred more, maybe a conversion is in the
air.
Also any sources for frames in Australia?
Mahalo
Pete

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From: "Shaun Fisher" <FisherS@natburo.kzntl.gov.za>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:08:32 +0200
Subject: Re: Gator Grip - NOT!!

>>> "Piet Fourie : pah@saao.ac.za" <pah@saao.ac.za> 09/28 10:44 AM >>>

> >Once I have removed the plug I braced an old socket to the plug making it
> >the easiest thing on the car to remove.
> If this is the same as welding a socket on, I recommend the same.
> Pete

Not quite the same, the filler plug is normally a brass plug and welding
will not work. I am not sure with all the different english lingos on the
site what else it is called, you use an oxy-acetelyne torch.

Piet 

I think you mean to braze a socket to the filler cap.

Shaun Fisher
SERIES IIA (under construction)

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From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 02:45:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: UK-USA time difference and phone question.

Try 011-44-then the number, you will probably have to delete the first
0 of the area code for the number you are calling(011-44-1302341153).
This could be off a little, it has been a while since I call the UK
for the states. Should be 5 hours difference.
Smitty 
---Peter Hope  wrote:
 Bit silly but what is the time difference accross the pound?  Say New
York
 to Doncaster?  Is it 6 hours?
 And if one was to call to Designa Chassis @ 01302341153 from the
States how
 would one do that?
 I have found out that to ship a chassis from the Mainland to Hawaii
will
 cost me $1200.  As the things are $500 cheeper direct from the UK I
should

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:41:30 -1000
Subject: Re: UK-USA time difference and phone question.

Thanks
Pete

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