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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:28:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Zenith Carb/Air Cleaner

On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Johan van Staden wrote:

:I always wondered how the oil bath air cleaner works. Does the air 
:pass through the oil? In a moving truck the oil will slosh around 
:inside. If the level is critical, what happens on steep slopes? Will it 
:suck dust into the carb? A diagram would help. My manual doesn't 
:show any detail.

The oil-bath air filter works through two mechanisms.  The first is a
centrifugal effect.  As air is drawn through the thing, it is forced to
make a series of sharp turns.  Large particles are unable to make these
turns, so they fall out of the air stream.  The other is air is drawn
through the oil bath, which removes everything else.  Oil-bath filters are
amazingly effective, much more so than any other filter you are likely to
attach to a Land-Rover.  They are also limited in the air flow that they
can provide, and the air flow they do provide is at a lower velocity than
it would be if it were passing through a paper filter.

David

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From: "John Murphy" <jmurphy@ddsi.decare.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:28:36 +0100
Subject: subscribe

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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:54:58 +0100
Subject: Re: Leaf springs

Frankelson@aol.com wrote:

> I'll look to see if we have this graphite stuff in the UK. Guess I could
> always grind up a fishing rod...........

My lad did his 88 IIa springs with some Castrol graphite grease last month and
the ride improvement was even noticed by Clare (his mum, my wife !).
I did have some concerns about the grinding paste possibility but dismissed them
reasoning that just plain mud was a better grinding paste that grease.
The English autumn/winters are damp, so any dust becomes mud on the springs at
this time of year, the answer is to keep 'em clean, so if you do that then its
ok to use a grease based lubricant between the springs and check regularly for
wear.
He jacked the chassis up as far as the jack would allow and just slapped the
grease in with an old paint brush, the grease seems to have worked its way in
between the leaves over the last few weeks.

Take care Frank, sons that are big enough to drive Landys are big enough to do
the donkey work for us more mature types ;-)

 Mick Forster
1972 109" Safari 2.25 petrol
1963 88" IIA 2.25 petrol
Very sad Metro :-(
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/landpics.html
http://members.aol.com/Tony4star/

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:23:13 +0100
Subject: RE: Zenith Carb/Air Cleaner

> Oil-bath filters are
> amazingly effective, much more so than any other filter you are likely to
> attach to a Land-Rover.  

I like the analogy of a snotty nose... your nose hairs and snot serve the
same purpose... keeping small garbage out of your lungs.

> They are also limited in the air flow that they
> can provide, and the air flow they do provide is at a lower velocity than
> it would be if it were passing through a paper filter.

Is this a good thing or a bad thing? or neither?

-Scott

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:31:32 EDT
Subject: Mainshaft special nut torque question

Hi all,

Is there a spec for the torque on the mainshaft special nut?  I don't see one
in the manual, but I assume there is some sort of necessary torque to hold the
gear in place (besides the locking plate).

Thanks
Nate

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 98 07:07:24 -0700
Subject: Santanas?

Hi folks,

I'm looking for a Santana education.

1. I understand that Santana is now out of business.  When did the 
company go under or stop manufacturing the Santana version of Land Rovers?

2. Where do owners of late model Santanas go to get replacment parts?

For mid-1980's and later:

3. In which countries were Santana Land Rover clones manufactured?

4. In which countries were Santana Land Rover clones sold?

5. Where would a person look to find a parts catalogue for the late model 
Santana Land ROver clone?

Thanks for your help!

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: "Robert A. Virzi" <rvirzi@gte.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:11:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Catskills? Connecticuit? WHERE can I take this thing?

>I think you are in New York City. I recall a state park about half way
>down New Jersey that was popular, but can not recall any more
>information.

Pine Barrens maybe?  I think that is where the NJ clubs do much of their
offroading.		-Bob

Why 2k?

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From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:13:52 -0700
Subject: Re: Mainshaft special nut torque question

NADdMD@aol.com wrote:

> Is there a spec for the torque on the mainshaft special nut?

Yes and no.  Not in any LR document I've come across.However, the Superwinch
overdrive instructions specify something
like 100 to 120 ft lbs  (don't recall exactly).

Jeremy

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From: rovah@agate.net
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:10:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 1998 Owl's Head Land Rover Rally Reminder...

Just a note to let folks know that registration is going well for the 1998
Owl's Head Land Rover Rally.  The event is FREE and registration is only so
we can have the correct number of box lunches for the off-road day. A
schedule of events can be found on our club website at
http://www.agate.net/~rovah/  Feel free to try the online registration
form, but it has been finicky, so send me a direct e-mail if you're coming
with your name and number of persons.
      Please note that pre-registration IS required for the off-road day.
Hope to see some old faces there!  The foliage promises to be spectacular,
as we're already seeing some trees start to turn...

Cheers!  John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323rd Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game
<http://www.tstonramp.com/~kahuna/index.html>

2 Wheels: 1970 Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1998 SE Discovery "Chukka," 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966
Series IIA 88" "SWAMBO,"  1963 Unimog 404.1-S "The Caterpiller,"  1968
Porsche 911L, Series 109" Project

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From: Ray_Burton@notes.sabre.com
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:17:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Beginning of the end for LR??

In a message dated 18/09/98 14:37:03 BST, I wrote:

<<  BMW is bringing out their own Sport Ute.

 Now we know why they're killing the Defender line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<<  BMW is bringing out their own Sport Ute.

In a message dated 18/09/98 19:33:32 BST, you (Frankelson@aol.com) wrote:

<<they're not killing it, they're building it in SA.
The Defender is not a Sport Ute - ask the farmers and shepherds who are my
neighbours. True they don't think much of the new fangled fancy colours,
but
they still stick sheep, bales of hay etc in the back...>>

Frank,

I was not trying to imply that BMW's Sort Ute is comparable to a Defender.
It's just that it appears that they'll be deemphasizing the real
utilitarian end of the Land Rover line to make room in their stable of
vehicles for their own surburban street warrior style sport utility
vehicle.

By the way, who ever came up with the catagory Sport Utility vehicle,
anyway?  I assume it was to appeal to the "sitck-up-their-ar$e" Yuppie
market who think it's too "blue collar" to be associated with something so
commaon place as a Four-Wheel-Drive truck.     So they come up with a cute
new catagory.

Cheers,
Ray

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From: Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:21:44 -0400
Subject: Re:Hurricane Georges/Can't run my rover on nuclear power

Peter writes;

"anyone see anything that can equal nuclear power for clean production
of energy"

If just measuring the output from smokestacks, you may be correct,

There is also energy required to mine and process uranium, there was an
article in New Scientist either this week or last about this very issue.

I think that the waste from processing the fuel and the used fuel and
all the tools, suits and containers contaminated by the fuel(before and
after) needs to be included as part of the equasion when attempting to
show how clean a power source is.

"safety record of the Nuclear Power Generation, there has not been a
fatality from the nuclear side..."

Fatailties from low level nuclear exposure can take awhile to show up
and may not only affect the workers, is it possible that radioactive
contamination of soil, air and water can cause illnesses such as cancer? 

LR related topics,

1. I don't want no nuclear reactor under by bonnet, OK maybe an electric
motor sourced by a Nuclear plant would work.
2. The Dutchess of York's mum was killed in an auto accident while
driving a Land Rover
3. Friends visiting Iceland toured in a red D110 with huge tires. They
had a great time.

Keith R. Mohlenhoff

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From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:26:50 -0700
Subject: Re: Beginning of the end for LR?

From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 04:43:12 EDT
Subject: Re: Beginning of the end for LR?

In a message dated 20/09/98 00:37:31 BST, you write:

 >>Umm. New Defenders are not available in the United States market.  In
 that respect you can consider them a vanished breed.

>er... you know how you can import a vehicle pre 197something?
can you not import a Defender of the dates the Defender was sold in the
States?

Only if the Defender meets all the US emissions and safety specs that were
in force at the time.  To my knowledge the only Defenders that met the US
regulations were the ones that were imported to the US in 1995-1997, so I
doubt you could find a Defender anywhere else in the world, particularly
the UK, that would qualify.  Most Defenders are built with the Tdi engine,
so that eliminates them from legal-to-import list right away.  I believe a
few were built with the 4-cylinder petrol engine Rover took from their car
line, and that engine, too, does not meet US specs.  The very few Defenders
that were built with the V-8 but not for the US market don't meet US
emission specs, so they're off the list as well.

According to the US Customs pamphlet on importing vehicles (and I believe
the information is also available on a govt. web site, too), all imported
vehicles are impounded when they arrive, at which point you have five
choices.  1. If the vehicle is 25 years old or older, there are (so far) no
restrictions on importation.  This means that in 1998 you can import any
Land Rover made prior to 1974 regardless of model, engine, etc.  2.  You
must prove that the vehicle you are importing meets all the US emissions
and safety requirements that were in force during the year the vehicle was
manufactured (the new-car importers do this with paperwork).  The last year
Land Rovers were imported was 1974, at which time they had rudimentary
emissions controls to meet the US specs.  So any Land Rover after 1974 will
not meet the US requirements.  The only exceptions are the ones that were
imported starting in 1987.   3.  You can have the vehicle modified to make
it meet the emissions and safety specs that were in force during the year
it was manufactured.  This is how the pre-1987 Range Rovers were brought
into the US during the late 1970s and early '80s.  At least one company on
the east coast modified them to meet the US specs, although this voided the
warranty.  However, the cost of modification can sometimes exceed the value
of the vehicle.  4.  You can send the vehicle back where it came from.  5.
You can have the vehicle destroyed on the spot with US Customs witnessing
the destruction.

With the exception of the vehicles manufactured for Land Rover North
America/Land Rover Canada to meet the US regulations, none of the Defenders
made during 1995-1997 meet all the regulations, so importing them would be
a difficult and probably expensive process.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

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From: Kuhl Dennis <Dennis.Kuhl@hvr.siemens.de>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:37:30 +0200
Subject: AW: Santanas?

Hi I own an Santana 109 and I think it is very dificult to get spare parts
out of Spain. But with little exeptions in the break system i found that all
Parts can be replaced with original rover parts.

If anyone has more Informations I would be pleased to hear about it.

By  	

> Dennis Kuhl   
> Owner 109 SIII  1980 SANTANA SW
> dennis.kuhl@hvr.siemens.de
> dennis@i-lab.de  

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From: "S. Vels" <dko5319@vip.cybercity.dk>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:25:31 +0001
Subject: Re: LRO group badges -Why not use the official group logo

> > The LRO mail list has had an official logo since soon after the group's
> > beginning.
> > I have always thought that this would make a super grill badge or full
> > size plate for the centre top of the roof rack.
> Yes I like that logo too. I once printed it out on a colour printer with a 
view
> to laminating it and putting it in the window, but the printer wasn't very 
good
> so it didn't look right. After that I wasn't sure of the copyright situation
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> Mick Forster
> 1972 109" Safari 2.25 petrol

Hi all.

Sorry for this late reply (been on vacation).

The original logo was cancelled because some member of DL-RK snitched 
parts of it and used it on a different logo.

So i made a the new one which is copyrighted to me and 
www.land-rover.team.net. 

I won't mind personal use of the logo if it stands alone on the print 
(not in connection with any commercial enterprise etc.).

If anyone plans to make badges, mugs, pens, balloons, tattoos etc for 
sale to list members, please check with me and Bill C.

Thanks.

rgds
sv/aurens

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From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:50:11 -0700
Subject: Re: Zenith Carb/Air Cleaner

From: "Shaun Fisher" <FisherS@natburo.kzntl.gov.za>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:19:47 +0200
Subject: Re: Zenith Carb/Air Cleaner

>I found that the oil bath air cleaner is not an effective device.
>Espesialy on
off-road conditions and water. The way I see it, the oil is just a dust
trap. I
swaped mine for a donaldson type filter and have had no more problems with
dust
or water.

When Mt. St. Helens blew her top on May 18, 1980, the whole of eastern
Washington was covered in a fine volcanic ash the consistancy of talcum
powder.  In places it was several feet thick, and the slightest air
movement caused it to swirl around in huge clouds.  The only type of air
cleaner that proved effective under these conditions was the centrifugal
oil bath.  I remember reading a newspaper article at the time that talked
about how many of the police, fire, and emergency vehicles in eastern
Washington were being fitted with this type of air cleaner, as it was the
only type that would provide adequate protection to the engines of these
vehicles, which had to operate no matter how bad the dust was.  In addition
to the oil bath types, I seem to recall that some of the air cleaners being
fitted used water as an ash trap, but my memory may be faulty on this
point.  I have run the original oil-bath filter on my Series III for all 25
years of its life, and I've never had a problem with dust, including weeks
spend on the Alaska and Cassiar highways  (before they were paved) in BC
and the Yukon, as well as driving in eastern Washington not long after Mt.
St. Helens erupted.  Under very dusty conditions, the Land Rover Expedition
Manual that came with my vehicle warned that the air cleaner should be
checked daily, and the oil changed daily if necessary.  If you operate in
extreme conditions and ignore the air cleaner, it could well cause problems
if the dust builds up inside, but if you ensure that the mesh and oil are
kept reasonably clean, in my opinion it's a far more effective filtering
system than a paper filter.

As to how it works, I believe the air begins to swirl around the center
column of the air cleaner when it enters the body of the cleaner.  It spins
down the center core and hits the oil bath.  At this point, dust and other
particles, which despite their tiny size do have some weight to them, hit
the oil and are trapped there while the air continues back up through the
mesh and on into the carburetor.  The mesh, the lower part of which
develops a fine coating of oil picked up from the bath at the bottom, traps
any particles that manage to escape being snared by the pool of oil at the
bottom.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

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From: dbobeck@inetmail.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 98 10:22:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Mainshaft special nut torque question 

>Is there a spec for the torque on the mainshaft special nut? 

Ah, the famous Big Dumb Nut Question...
The answer is a resounding NO. Not unless you are installing an overdrive. The 
official LR special tool works with a Big Dumb Tommy Bar for which in the best 
of my knowledge there is no easy way of measuring the torque. Considering the 
amount of play in the rest of the t-box, one would be hard pressed to find a 
good reason to worry about it. With the OD in place, however, the Big Dumb Nut 
now gets 100 ft-lbs. This is becuase it has now gone from a Big Dumb Nut that 
holds on a Big Dumb Cog to a Big Dumb Nut that holds on an Extremely 
Intelligent Precision Needle Bearing that is supposed to be an exact fit inside 
a sleeve. In my experience, regardless of torque applied, with or without OD, 
next time you have to access the BDN, it will still only be finger tight.

later

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:22:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Leafg springs (was Re: "British Car"

<<  the "new" Ser3 steers ok to me, although my daughter-in-law said it 
felt different from the brand new power steering vans she drives at 
work. >>

 When I test-drove "Dougal" I was amazed at how direct & responsive the 
 steering was compared to a high-mileage 90 we had at work. Mind you, 
"Dougal" has only done 24,000 miles!
 
  The steering is heavy, probably because of the 205 x 16 radials.
  
  I don`t think I will bother with a steering damper... 

 Paul

 Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:26

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: "Duncan Fletcher" <duncan.fletcher@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:28:34 +0100
Subject: Re: Beginning of the end for LR?

Landrover South Africa produce at least one Defender model with the BMW 2.8L
6 cylinder motor.Would this vehicle not be able to be imported and converted
at a reasonable cost?
 Apparently the petrol consumption has been reduced dramatically and power
is up significantly over the V8.

Regards

Duncan Fletcher

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:21:31 -0500
Subject: RE: BMW engine option in RRs????

>This engine is rated at 134 HP @ 4400 RPM & 199 lb-ft @ 2300 RPM.  It
>evideltly comes with a 5M five speed transmission.
>Anyone know anything about this engine & what countries this option
>is/was sold into???

It's the same engine that comes on the 325 TDI and 525 TDI. Incredibly good,
reliable, powerfull, noiseless and clean engine. But that is for a car. We
talked about this engine some months ago, and someone said it didn't
performed as well in a low geared truck. That I don't know. The problem with
a transplant would be that it is not a common diesel,
in-one-pack-you-got-it-all engine. It has a computer controlled injection
system and computer controlled everything. You can even buy aftermarket
power-chips for it, to improve performance.
In Europe (at least Spain) it is avaiable in the MkII since it was realesed.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:37:31 -0500
Subject: RE: Santanas?

>1. I understand that Santana is now out of business.  When did the
>company go under or stop manufacturing the Santana version of Land Rovers?

As I understand, they are not out of business, but making Suzukis now days.

>For mid-1980's and later:
>3. In which countries were Santana Land Rover clones manufactured?

Until early 80's Santanas where built here in Costa Rica, but not there
after.

That's what I know about the subject, not much though.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:44:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Hurricane Georges/Can't run my rover on nuclear power

In a message dated 21-09-98 10:25:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
krm@nj.paradyne.com writes:

<< 2. The Dutchess of York's mum was killed in an auto accident while
 driving a Land Rover >>
>From the photos in today's paper, unless it was a Freeloader, my guess it was
actually a Rover sedan.  The wheels only had four lugs.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:48:07 EDT
Subject: Fwd: Land Rover Discovery: Top Compact SUV In J.D. Power and...

So there!

Nate

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From: "Duncan Fletcher" <duncan.fletcher@btinternet.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:04:57 +0100
Subject: Re: Hurricane Georges/Can't run my rover on nuclear power

The pictures shown on TV last night showed a very much bent Rover(car)I
think it was a dark green 400.

Regards

Duncan Fletcher

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:53:01 EDT
Subject: Re: Zenith Carb/Air Cleaner

These, the stock oil bath cleaners are dead easy.  The air is drawn into the
air cleaner by engine vacuum through the carburetor.  The air is given a
slight spin by the vanes in the top of the filter.  As the air is drawn
further down, by centrifugal action, the grit is hurled to the outside surface
of the cleaner which has a nice slime of oil and previously deposited grit.
Grit which has not yet stuck to the walls, is accelerating nicely down a small
area between the two walls of the air cleaner.  The air takes a sharp about
face and rises near the bottom of the filter, just above the oil bath.  The
heavier grit and dust which has been riding down in the air steram is not
likely to make the turn and thus is deposited into the oil bath.  God I love
these things.

Zack Arbios
Over 3/8" dust on the inside of my Rangie this weekend after the drive to the
campsite.  Need to fit the rear hatch I already have.

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From: "Robert A. Virzi" <rvirzi@gte.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:05:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Invitation to Dockers(r)Internet Khakis Web Site

Hi-
I just tried to access your site.  I'm guessing that you didn't bother to
test on a Mac.  I get basically a string of zeroes on the welcome page,
plus what appears to be a login form.  Continuing on, all the text appears
as just zeroes, while the embedded pix are fine.

I am using a powermac and netscape 4.0.?.

I get a warning going from your secure login screen to the insecure next
page.  I assume this is just an alpha problem that won't appear in the
actual product.

I couldn't do anything else since I can read anything.

>Your email address:  rvirzi@gte.com
>Your password:  gte5485
>You have been invited by Levi Strauss & Co to visit an experimental site,
>Dockers(r)Internet Khakis.  This password-protected site is a test of
>several technologies that have been integrated to make a better pant
>shopping experience for you.  At this time, Dockers(r)Internet Khakis are
>sized for men only.
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>If you have questions or problems accessing this site, please e-mail
>service@ikhakis.com.

GTE Labs, MS-38            rvirzi@gte.com         voice: +1.781.466.2881
40 Sylvan Rd                                        fax: +1.781.466.4035
Waltham, MA, USA  02454

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:27:38 EDT
Subject: Re: Invitation to Dockers(r)Internet Khakis Web Site

In a message dated 9/21/98 1:12:52 PM, you wrote:

<<Hi-
I just tried to access your site.  I'm guessing that you didn't bother to
test on a Mac.  I get basically a string of zeroes on the welcome page,
plus what appears to be a login form.  Continuing on, all the text appears
as just zeroes, while the embedded pix are fine.

I am using a powermac and netscape 4.0.?.>>

We'll get back to you, and fixing our site, as soon as we are done watching
the Clinton Video.

--Dockers(r) "String-of-Zeroes" Management

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:42:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Beginning of the end for LR? 

In message <bulk.17041.19980920014320@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:
>  Umm. New Defenders are not available in the United States market.  In 
>  that respect you can consider them a vanished breed.

> er... you know how you can import a vehicle pre 197something?
> can you not import a Defender of the dates the Defender was sold in the
> States?

	Pre 25 years is has a specific exemption.  For Defenders, the only
ones imported are 1993 D110s, 1994, 1995 and 1997 D90s.  Any other Defenders
imported for permanent registration will need to have that model brought
into spec (ie x number crash tested, etc) or  LRNA agreeing that it met
the specs (which LRNA will not do).
	
	Someone took the effort to extablish a legal method for brining
in 1993 D110s.  It is a step by step process to prove tat a 1993 D110 meets
US spec for that year, this has been reported by the NHTSB (national Highway
Traffic Saftey Board -- or whatever the real name is) via their web site. 
It was the only Rover type listed as of a few months ago.

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:01:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Once per lifetime... 

In message <bulk.26977.19980920201446@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:

   The old
   importer/converter days are long gone due to gross abuse of the system,

  Hardly because of "gross abuse of the system", more like the GREED of
  US automobile manufacturers in trying to keep overseas vehicles out of
  "their" market.  

	The once per lifetime rule was closed because certain importers
were paying various John Does to bring in BMWs (I think it was BMW--it could
have been Mercedes)  and then sell them back to importer to sell to whoever
wanted one.  It got to the point that this was significicantly impacting sales 
of BMW and BMW complained.  Then the rule was closed.  This was in the late
1980s/early 1990s.

Ben 
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: "A.G.Dolsa" <dolsa@emporion.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:11:51 +0200
Subject: RE: Santanas?

In Spain there is no many problems to find refills but they are expensive.
I have bought some in LRSUPERMAKET since the original LR are adapted well.

Santana has manufactured the ++LR until Suzuky I buy the society
(Metalurgica de Santa Ana) in Linares province of Jaén.

In Barcelona there are many places where to buy refills.

              ===============   Alfons G. Dolsa
             //  ||--------||   Entomologist
            //   ||        ||   Museum of Butterflies of Catalonia
   __####__//____||________||#| http://www.emporion.net/museu
  [-------/ -----Land Rover-|#| 86" - 88"III - 88"III
  |_____  |      |   _____  |#| http://emporion.net/landrover.htm
  //---\\_|______|__//---\\ |_
[-<  o  >\_________/<  o  >\_]
   \___/             \___/

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: TeriAnn Wakeman [mailto:twakeman@cruzers.com]
> Enviado el: lunes, 21 / septiembre / 1998 16:07
> Para: lro@playground.sun.com
> Asunto: Santanas?
> Hi folks,

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> twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create
beauty wherever you go.

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:54:54 EDT
Subject: Re: Beginning of the end for LR??

In a message dated 21/09/98 15:23:06 BST, you write:

<< By the way, who ever came up with the catagory Sport Utility vehicle,
 anyway?  I assume it was to appeal to the "sitck-up-their-ar$e" Yuppie
 market who think it's too "blue collar" to be associated with something so
 commaon place as a Four-Wheel-Drive truck.     So they come up with a cute
 new catagory.
  >>
I've always been of the opinion that it was another Americanism- like adding
'wise' to the end of a word. Would be marketing tho' those people should get a
proper job :-)>

actually, old boy, in the UK we do not drive 'trucks' only lorry drivers who
listen to Country music call their large vehicles trucks...... mind you, we've
never really quite got round to calling L/Rs anything at all. Just a Four
Wheel Drive or a Four by Four.

I usually call PKV my car.

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:54:44 EDT
Subject: Re: Beginning of the end for LR?

In a message dated 21/09/98 01:24:24 BST, you write:

<< There is a 25 year old or older exemption from needing to meet safety
 regs for import. Anyting pre-'68 doesn't have to meet emission regs, and
 EPA can grant a waiver from emission regs for vehicles over 25 years
  >>
Hi David
 I misunderstood, I thought you could import an old Land Rover so long as it
was from the years they sold them there.
bummer

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:54:51 EDT
Subject: Re: Leaf springs

In a message dated 21/09/98 13:55:46 BST, you write:

 Take care Frank, sons that are big enough to drive Landys are big enough to
do
 the donkey work for us more mature types ;-)
  >>
you are so rifght, Neil drove my 110 to Billing, towing the caravan and put
the awning up - after getting me a whiskey and coke and a chair - he's one of
the good uns...
maybe because I missed out on his teenage rebellious years.......

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:54:47 EDT
Subject: Re: Leaf springs

In a message dated 21/09/98 06:31:31 BST, you write:

<< You might want to look for one of those "HUSKY"
 pencils, though... >>
wot that??

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:54:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Santanas?

When I went to Spain to test the Freelander (it's a job that somebody has to
do, what can I say) it seemed that every farm in the Sierra Blanca had an old
LWB Santana or two parked outside. Didn't see a one running though and most
looked as if they couldn't.
Later talking to the L/R personnel around they said that even the Spaniards
have trouble getting parts out of the factory. Apparently Lofde Lane gets lots
of requests from Spain  for the bits that are common....

Also... the parabolics available from Holland these days, plus the front disc
brakes for Ser3 are both Santana inventions and bought in from the original
manufacturers (not Santana)

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:32:36 -0400
Subject: Subject: The English Channels

Todd Schlemmer <nullman@ptinet.net> wrote:

>I need to replace the channels, tracks, grooves in the door tops, in which
>the glass slides.  It looks a devilish task.  Any words of wisdom ( on this
>subject)?

Ummm...besides starting to drink heavily?  This is one bugger of a job.
I'd rather pull an engine or overhaul a gearbox than do window channels.

Before you do it, get youself to a ship chandler or marine supply store.
Buy channels made of stainless steel with Derlin slides and synthetic felt
so you won't go though this headache again.

The only way to remove the old fixins' is to use a very small cold chisel
and whack it through the detritus until you feel an obstruction.  Then use
needle nose vice grips to remove the screw.  Good luck.

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:25:03 EDT
Subject: Re:  For Scott's inquiring mind...

In a message dated 9/21/98 4:39:52 PM, you wrote:

<<The pram-a contraction of perambulator a wheeled device for walking behind>>

Trevor, being *canadian* would call it a "pram-a" ;-)

haha.

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From: "Rick Debold" <rick_debold@corp.adaptec.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:32:18 -0700
Subject: Re: Beginning of the end for LR?

Do you have the URL for this page?

Benjamin Smith wrote:

> In message <bulk.17041.19980920014320@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:

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From: "Wilson, Scott" <wilsons@msmail.vislab.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:09 -0500
Subject: RE: Leaf springs

<< You might want to look for one of those "HUSKY"
 pencils, though... >>
> wot that??

Sorry... it's a bigger pencil that is easier for the young kids to
hold... it's got a thicker lead... The have a big "HUSKY" written
on the side... Thought it would make graphite-ing the springs
a bit easier...

 -Scott

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From: William Dan Terry <wterry@netpubsintl.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:17:16 -0600
Subject: FOR SALE, Best Reasonable Offer

IIA 109 mil ht

Most mechanicals professionally rebuilt. Excellent, reliable mechanical
condition. Over $18k spent. Ready for regular use or final steps of
restoration. ~6k miles on RN trans w/ OD, new HC lead-free head, front
axle rebuild (new swivel balls, bearings...), new Zenith carb w/
selection of jets, new suspension springs, new alternator, rebuilt
starter, brakes (new master cyl, wheel cyl, lines, shoes, drums), clutch
(new master and slave), new tires, new seats, new front prop shaft, new
front splash panel, one new fuel tank (other is original?), Def rear fog
and backup lamps, new front exhaust pipe, new anti-burst door latches w/
keys, new passenger side-step, new seatbelt pickups for full shoulder
retractables and more.

Fort Collins, CO, USA
wterry@netpubsintl.com

_______W__i__l__l__i__a__m_____D__a__n_____T__e__r__r__y_______
  How do we acquire wisdom along with all these shiny things?
  (David Brin)

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From: Paaul Humphries <paul.humphries1@virgin.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:55:33 +0100
Subject: Re. Greased springs

Has anyone tried wrapping the springs, after greasing, with plumbers
grease impregnated cloth / hessian tape ?. It works for "normal" road
vehicle springs instead of the traditional leather gaiters. I would have
thought it should be OK for Land Rovers to keep the dirt / grit grinding
medium out if not ripped off by some rock etc.

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:16:48 EDT
Subject: ser 3

It's gone :-(>

after buying my son a Ser3 on Saturday and working on it and driving it since
then my daughter-in-law came to collect it tonight...
I really got to liking that old machine.... but I still can't understand why
the beloved Marjorie began to laugh hysterically when I started leafing
through AutoTrader this evening......... (g)

anyway, it's coming back at the weekend for some more work and a paintjob.
It's currently red/blue/black/grey and white.
Guess what colour it will end up?????

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:38:26 EDT
Subject: Re:  ser 3

In a message dated 9/21/98 6:22:24 PM, you wrote:

<<It's currently red/blue/black/grey and white.
Guess what colour it will end up???>>

Lemme guess. You will...

... get rid of the black & grey, and just keep it red, white and blue like the
flag? (your flag, that is)

... paint it with whatever's in the back of the garage? (carport for brits?)

... call around three counties to find out who's got what On Sale? (We know
you by now, Frank)

... take it offroading on the muddiest lane you know, then let that dry on it?
(hides bad paint and it is fun)

... paint it Green and give it a name? (Bronze Green?, nahhh. I would never
have guessed!)

;-)

--pat.

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:44:09 EDT
Subject: Re: ser 3

In a message dated 9/21/98 6:22:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Frankelson@aol.com writes:

<< It's currently red/blue/black/grey and white.
 Guess what colour it will end up?????
  >>

Red/blue/black/grey/white and bronze green?

Nate

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:59:18
Subject: RE: Kamal Trophie

>Wouldn't that be more appealing to all those yuppie wives who have Discos
>and Rangies only for the status and to drive to the grocer whenever snow is
>predicted!
>Lord forbid that they'd even consider using them for what they're built
>for.

I hope they continue to buy and baby these. I have plans for a powder puff
socker mom special in a coupla' years 8^). 

Jim Wolf

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:04:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Beginning of the end for LR??

Ray_Burton@notes.sabre.com wrote:

> I was not trying to imply that BMW's Sort Ute is comparable to a
> Defender.
> It's just that it appears that they'll be deemphasizing the real
> utilitarian end of the Land Rover line to make room in their stable of
> vehicles for their own surburban street warrior style sport utility
> vehicle.

Everything I've seen about the new BMW "SUV" says it will be much closer
to a high all wheel drive station wagon than a utility vehicle. If it is
a threat to part of the LR line it would be the RR, not the Defender. I
haven't seen anything to suggest BMW is planning to merge the BMW and LR
channels.

Two years ago LR was working on a thin section space frame / polymer
panel replacement for the Defender.

> By the way, who ever came up with the catagory Sport Utility vehicle,
> anyway?  I assume it was to appeal to the "sitck-up-their-ar$e" Yuppie
> market who think it's too "blue collar" to be associated with
> something so
> commaon place as a Four-Wheel-Drive truck.
> vehicle.

I don't know who coined the name "sport utility" but I think it was
developed for the original Chevy Blazer / GMC Jimmy, etc. Suburbans,
Travelalls, etc. were refered to a "utilities", and "sport" was appended
to signify a smaller, sportier, less utilitarian vehicle. The "sport"
may also have refered to field sports such as fishing and hunting. Those
were two popular pastimes folks purchased those vehicles for. That's my
theory.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: "Richard Clarke"<Richard.Clarke@nre.vic.gov.au>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:07:06 +1000
Subject: Re: tyre (tire) pressures

A speaker from a tyre manufacturer came to a recent Landy Club meeting and
said that tyre manufactures have a 'loaded radius' (or something like that)
for each tyre.  It automatically takes into account the load in the
vehicle, the tyre-wall strengrh and the pressure - you just measure from
the axle centre to the road surface - if it's too much let some air out -
if it's not enough put some in.  You would need a good level surface to do
it. and a good accurate measuring device (the sewing tape measure probably
wouln't do  - but one of those things for getting hems straight might !)

Ring the tyre manufacturer, or your National distributor, and ask them -
the implication was that the local re-seller would know nothing about it.
Once you've got the right radius with a standard load you could then record
the pressure and you'd know what to usually run them at

just a suggestion

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:06:44
Subject: RE: RN

>I'm only getting gibberish out of the RN site.  Anyone else having similar
>problems???

I do believe they use only GENUINE LUCAS computers and servers, could be
they are low on smoke.

Jim Wolf

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:15:24
Subject: RE: channelsssss

>I need to replace the channels, tracks, grooves in the door tops, in which
>the glass slides.  It looks a devilish task.  Any words of wisdom ( on this
>subject)?

Yeah, its' a real B.S. job, that you will wish you hadn't started. Been
there done that, do not have the T-shirt( but should).

Jim Wolf

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 19:31:03
Subject: Gas Tank Sealer

If you get a good quality one, then go for it. I have used it in my 109 for
about 20 years. I am renovating her now and the radiator shop had to cook
and scrap the old sealer out. Yes, more will be going in later when I
reinstall my gas tanks.

Jim Wolf

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:21:16 -0400
Subject: Re: O/D tool Status

I have an old message from you about a machinist who was going to make
tools for removing LR mainshaft nuts. Is he still making them, and if so
how do I contact him? Thanks

David Cockey
Rochester, MI
248-651-2744

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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:26:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Cloth interior of alpine roof

Frank Jakos in Colorado Springs has the cleanest looking replacement
headliner I've ever seen in a rover.  He used the same fabric that is used
on boat seats, a cream white weather proof vinyl and it looks great. I
don't have Frank's E-mail handy but could get it for you if you'd like. I'd
take a long look at the LaSalle headliner from the U.K. if you want a
really nice headliner in the end.  I've heard that these can be a bit on
the pricy side but are very, very nice.

good luck

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
				Dennis Miller

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:49:13 EDT
Subject: Perfection

Y'all wrote:

<< Ron (gee, it's great to be perfect!) >>
<Frank (I agree, very nice indeed....:-)>
I thought I made a mistake once, but I was wrong.

Paul



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From: "Robert McCullough" <dieselbob@erols.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:32:08 -0400
Subject: radiator question? maybe Bill Leacock knows?
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i have a radiator that has a pin hole leak up on the top, about a half =
inch in front of the neck. sometimes it'll spray a steady, very fine =
stream and then it will stop. sometimes never a drop. i was gonna =
replace it with a unit out of a 65 109 4 cyl petrol that i had rebuilt =
at a local shop. as this was going to be used on a 67 6 cyl 2b forward =
control, i first checked to make sure the inlet and outlet necks were in =
the proper places, as a series 3 radiator is different than a 2a, and =
they are. while i was removing the fixings that hold the radiator in =
place, i was astounded to see two triangler shaped pieces on either side =
of the radiator casing with a long rod going between the two triangler =
pieces, looks to be part of the accelerator linkage, maybe a support =
bracket. can i just have these two triangler pieces made up and braised =
or welded to the outside of my rebuilt unit? or should i have the old =
ones cut out and put on the rebuilt unit, or should i go and just have =
it repaired at the pinhole? looks like a previous owner might have hit =
it with a hammer and there is a folded edge, which is where the leak is =
at. looks like at some point it was soldered. i don't want to repair it =
and find it leaking shortly thereafter. as i've seen your posts on =
radiator repairs more than once, i figure that YOU are the most =
qualified person to answer this for me, ....thanks (BTW- replacement =
units apparently are not available)

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From: Allan Smith <smitha@candw.lc>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:56:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Santanas?

They stopped making them in 1994.
There are plenty in Zimbabwe, where they are used by the police. They look
like a cross between a S111 and a 110. They also made a thing similar to a
lightweight.
Bet that doesn't help locate spares.
Allan

 
Allan Smith
Caribbean Natural Resources Institute (CANARI)
Vieux Fort, St. Lucia, West Indies. Tel. + 758 454 6060  Fax. + 758 454 5188

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:00:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: tyre (tire) pressures

On Tue, 22 Sep 1998, Richard Clarke wrote:

:
:A speaker from a tyre manufacturer came to a recent Landy Club meeting and
:said that tyre manufactures have a 'loaded radius' (or something like that)

The manufacturer's spec generally have this in them.  A dealer should be
able to provide them, but they should be able to do all sorts of things
the ones round here can't quite manage.  

:if it's not enough put some in.  You would need a good level surface to do
:it. and a good accurate measuring device (the sewing tape measure probably
:wouln't do  - but one of those things for getting hems straight might !)

I have seen a jig to measure this.  It was essentially a level with a
plumb bob on the end.  Shouldn't  be too hard to fake.  

I am not sure that I would use the manufacturer's specs on a Land-Rover.
The only people that I know who have done this are trucking outfits, which
have an interest in making tires last as long as possible, even at the
expensive of handling and comfort.  A high quality 10.5R22 tire can cost
$3-400.  Times 18, that gets expensive really quick.  Tire life is not the
highest priority for most other people.

David

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From: "A.G.Dolsa" <dolsa@emporion.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:43:48 +0200
Subject: Santana from Spain

In Spain there is no many problems to find refills but they are expensive.
I have bought some in LRSUPERMAKET since the original LR are adapted well.

Santana has manufactured the LR until Suzuky buy the society (Metalurgica de
Santa Ana) in Linares province of Jaén.

In Barcelona there are many shops where to buy refills.

              ===============   Alfons G. Dolsa
             //  ||--------||   Entomologist
            //   ||        ||   Museum of Butterflies of Catalonia
   __####__//____||________||#| http://www.emporion.net/museu
  [-------/ -----Land Rover-|#| 86" - 88"III - 88"III
  |_____  |      |   _____  |#| http://emporion.net/landrover.htm
  //---\\_|______|__//---\\ |_
[-<  o  >\_________/<  o  >\_]
   \___/             \___/

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: TeriAnn Wakeman [mailto:twakeman@cruzers.com]
> Enviado el: lunes, 21 / septiembre / 1998 16:07
> Para: lro@playground.sun.com
> Asunto: Santanas?
> Hi folks,

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> twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create
beauty wherever you go.

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:19:10 +1000
Subject: : Leaf springs

Frank Elson wrote:
> Guess I could always grind up a fishing rod...........

Scott Wilson replied:

> Or you could take your springs apart and scribble on them with
>a pencil... You might want to look for one of those "HUSKY" pencils,
though...

Hey you!  Keep your fingers off our Hillman Husky cars.  (Damn, he's
probably 'Merican and doesn't know what a Hillman Husky is!)

Frank, I recall that my old Mark VII Jaguar had leather gaiters on the rear
springs and the springs were greased.  I could go out to the garage and
check my Mk VII and XK120 workshop manuals.

Regards,
Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
'86 Range Rover 4.8L auto  "The Last Aquila"
check my web site at www.users.bigpond.com/hillman

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:21:06 +1000
Subject: Paul's Paint Color

Paul Lonsdale  wrote:

>  (& Wifey drives: Mitsubishi Shogun 3.0 V6 LWB Auto. (H reg)

Gawd, I hate that!  What the heck year model is a "H-reg" car?  It doesn't
mean a thing to us Antipodeans.  I've asked Frank to speak to the
Powers-That-Be in LROI and Popular Classics about it.  Please refer to cars
by their year of build, not their year of registration (which is in code!).

Now, having calmed down..... Hi Paul, we forgive her for driving a
Mitsubishi Pajero (what we call the Shogun).

Regards,
Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
'86 Range Rover 4.8L auto  "The Last Aquila"
check my web site at www.users.bigpond.com/hillman

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 04:49:44 EDT
Subject: Re: Re. Greased springs

In a message dated 21/09/98 23:12:19 BST, you write:

 Has anyone tried wrapping the springs, after greasing, with plumbers
 grease impregnated cloth / hessian tape ?. It works for "normal" road
 vehicle springs >>
Paul,
we used to do it thirty-and-a-bit years ago on all sorts of motors, most were
leaves in those days.
Getting hessian is a problem, all the bags on the farm now are plastic
 :-(>
but this tape sounds interesting....
I see no reason why it won't work on a Land Rover, you rarely hit the springs
on anything.....

BTW I remember a mate who thought he'd got a good idea, the hessian did wear
out eventually of course and he decided that taping the grease in with gaffer
tape would be a better idea....
he wrapped those, Hillman Minx as I recall,  springs up good and tight. Took
him nearly all day. Only took a drive down the road and back to tear it into
lots of shreds that took a lot longer to remove :-)>

Best Cheers

Frank
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