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1 SPYDERS@aol.com 23Re: Re: Beginning of the end for LR?
2 "The Becketts" [hillman@13BMW and the end of LR...
3 "The Becketts" [hillman@40A ?? for our friends down under
4 "The Becketts" [hillman@19New Tires (!) (?)
5 Scott Wilson [scott@scra12RE: New Tires (!) (?)
6 "M. Tompkins" [mmglass@i30Re: Help with CB radios
7 DHW4U@aol.com 14 LRO in WY
8 "The Becketts" [hillman@17Giving up...
9 "The Becketts" [hillman@17Giving up...
10 john cranfield [john.cra22Re: Hurricane Georges
11 john cranfield [john.cra14Land Rover and the SUV
12 john cranfield [john.cra10Re: Giving up...
13 john cranfield [john.cra11Hurricane names
14 David Scheidt [david@inf13Re: Hurricane names
15 Jpslotus27@aol.com 21Re: Re: The Marlboro Trophy
16 Adrian Redmond [channel646Re: Land Rover and the SUV
17 Paul Lonsdale [Lonsdale@19Re: Frankelson@aol.com
18 Paul Lonsdale [Lonsdale@35Re: "British Car" LR fact & fiction
19 Paul Lonsdale [Lonsdale@20Re: "British Car" LR fact & fiction
20 Paul Lonsdale [Lonsdale@27Re: Paul's Paint Color
21 Paul Lonsdale [Lonsdale@18Re: Buying a new (whatever)
22 Vince Sabio [vince@humou30Re: Land Rover and the SUV
23 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [22Re: Hurricane Georges
24 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [12Re: Buying a new (whatever)
25 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [26Re: Hurricane Georges
26 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [26Re: Hurricane Georges
27 GElam30092@aol.com 18Re: Buying a new (whatever)
28 Jeff Goldman [roverboy@g13Brake Servo question...
29 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [14Re: Brake Servo question...
30 Frankelson@aol.com 21Re: Giving up...
31 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [10Re: Giving up...
32 "Peter Hope" [phope@hawa23Frank's 'expecting'
33 "Peter Hope" [phope@hawa33Parts Washers
34 Frankelson@aol.com 18Re: Giving up...
35 Frankelson@aol.com 25Re: Hurricane names
36 Frankelson@aol.com 29Leafg springs (was Re: "British Car" LR fact & fiction)
37 SPYDERS@aol.com 31Re: Leaf springs
38 Paul Lonsdale [Lonsdale@30Re: Leafg springs (was Re: "British Car"
39 Frankelson@aol.com 23Re: Frank's 'expecting'
40 jimfoo@uswest.net 21Re: New Tires (!) (?)
41 David Scheidt [david@inf19Re: Leafg springs (was Re: "British Car" LR fact & fiction)
42 Frankelson@aol.com 24Re: Leaf springs
43 Frankelson@aol.com 45Re: Leafg springs (was Re: "British Car"
44 Russ Wilson [rwwilson@mh19Re: LRO in WY
45 Stuart [concepts@ihug.co12Range Rover 1970's FIA Homolagation Papers
46 Steven Henry [sahenry@sp16RE: BMW and the end of LR...
47 David Cockey [dcockey@ti33Re: Beginning of the end for LR?
48 Scott Wilson [scott@scra16Once per lifetime...
49 SPYDERS@aol.com 25Re: Re: Beginning of the end for LR?
50 Scott Wilson [scott@scra14RE: Leaf springs
51 Scott Wilson [scott@scra17RE: Re: Beginning of the end for LR?
52 TeriAnn Wakeman [twakema30BMW engine option in RRs????
53 Michael Carradine [cs@la22Re: Once per lifetime...
54 "Johan van Staden" [jcvs25Zenith Carb/Air Cleaner
55 "Shaun Fisher" [FisherS@33Re: Zenith Carb/Air Cleaner
56 "Alain-Jean PARES" [Alai13Re: Torque and french considerations
57 Wmohara@aol.com 10Cloth interior of alpine roof
58 David Cockey [dcockey@ti50Re: Once per lifetime...
59 David Cockey [dcockey@ti29Re: BMW engine option in RRs????


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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 07:45:53 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Beginning of the end for LR?

In a message dated 9/20/98 4:45:30 AM, you wrote:

can you not import a Defender of the dates the Defender was sold in the
States?>>

Not really. They have to be "built to spec", either by the factory (good luck
convincing them) or by you ($$$); and for the same ($$$) that you'd spend
altering a D-90, people just would rather get something different and take it
apart.

I did see somehwere where there was a provision to bring in "sufficiently
similar," or words to that effect, 
 same-year vehicles, but it only mentioned the 110. And again, you'd have to
find a same year (93) and change what's different to make it the same as NAS
spec. Too much trouble for a lot of people, for what you get.

--pat.

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:29:32 +1000
Subject: BMW and the end of LR...

Steven Henry wrote:
>Suzuki's  Grand Viatra has a six cylinder engine.

Was this a slip and yopu were thing of Grand Viagra - or did you mean
Vitara?

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:51:59 +1000
Subject: A ?? for our friends down under

Peter Hope asked:
>1.  I was wondering if the JRA/Perentie 6x6 rovers come up for sale often?
I have been contemplating a Land Rover camper conversion and believe that
this vehicle would be perfect for my plans.
2.  I have not seen many adds in LRW or  LROI mags, any internet sites
specialising in vehicles from OZ? For the 6by as well as other Series
vehicles.>

Well, Peter, they don't come up often BUT for the past few months Land
Vehicle Spares in Sydney have been advertising (quote) "Land Rover 6x6, 3.9
Isuzu diesel.  First 6x6 built by Rover A$16,500 (unquote).  That works out
at US$9570.  It is a trayback Landie.  Their contact details are: tel +61 2
9790-6290, fax +61 2 9708-6728.  This vehicle is advertised yet again in the
October issue of Just 4x4s (a 4wd selling magazine).

>3.  Also as a new resident of Hawaii, I was interested in Australian
aftermarket/OEM parts dealers.  I am thinking of getting a rover that will
need some work and want to check out my options for the parts I will need
(possibly a frame) and am wondering if shipping will be better from OZ then
the UK.>

I would expect freight to be cheaper from Australia to Hawaii than from the
UK to Hawaii.  It's somewhat closer.  Try contacting Four Wheel Drives in at
304 Middleborough Rd, Blackburn South (Melbourne - they have a web site)

Their tel no is +61 3 9890-0500,. fax is +61 3 9898-6374, email
fwd@fwd.com.au

Their new colour catalogue is A$10.  Not sure about pricing to Hawaii.
Aussie postage is very expensive.

Ron

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:59:47 +1000
Subject: New Tires (!) (?)

Scott Wilson wrote:
>If the tires say 50, use 50. I have The Cooper Discoverers Mud Terrain,
and if they were any less than 50PSI, I would feel bad driving them
around. At 50 they seem to be the correct "shape" for radials with just
enough bulge at the bottom of the tire<

Jeez, it must ride like it's on solid rubber tyres.  I don't think the
manufacturer is telling you to inflate to 50psi..  That may be their maximum
permissable pressure.

I run my Rangie at 28 front, 35 rear.

Ron

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:31:50 +0100
Subject: RE: New Tires (!) (?)

> Jeez, it must ride like it's on solid rubber tyres.  

Okay, okay, fine... I'll try deflating them to 35 and see what 
happens. 

-S

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From: "M. Tompkins" <mmglass@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:37:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Help with CB radios

M. Tompkins wrote:

> SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:
> > I may have a lead. Someone e-mailed me a note to look into a Cobra 75 ST... 
I
> > will try to find a picture of it somewhere.
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> > will try to find a picture of it somewhere.
> > --pat.
> A quick search on my part came up with
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> ......they want 129USD for one.
> Mike

  Even better yet, I found one place that has the Cobra on sale for 96.95USD
Go to:  http://jcre.com/cobra.htm
They also have the Midland 75-830.

Mike
Roving on the web this morning

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From: DHW4U@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:29:54 EDT
Subject:  LRO  in WY

Hello 
anyone on the list in the state of WY
I will be in state on oct 21
will be driving V8  109 
thinking of touching base with other owners

dave walls
dhw4u@aol.com

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:22:12 +1000
Subject: Giving up...

Adrian Redmond wrote:
>Thanks frank! And I agree about the smoking too.
I have just tried to quit today from 40/60 a day to 2 - SH*T this is
hard, but with a trip to the US pending in 10 days, I might aw well get
to the bones of the quitting, whilst I still have a chance.<

Adrian, been there done that.  I gave up 2-1/2 years ago (Feb 96).  I used
patches.  Try them - I smoked for 30 years.  Now I can't stand the smell of
them anywher near me.

Ron (gee, it's great to be perfect!)

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 23:22:12 +1000
Subject: Giving up...

Adrian Redmond wrote:
>Thanks frank! And I agree about the smoking too.
I have just tried to quit today from 40/60 a day to 2 - SH*T this is
hard, but with a trip to the US pending in 10 days, I might aw well get
to the bones of the quitting, whilst I still have a chance.<

Adrian, been there done that.  I gave up 2-1/2 years ago (Feb 96).  I used
patches.  Try them - I smoked for 30 years.  Now I can't stand the smell of
them anywher near me.

Ron (gee, it's great to be perfect!)

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:55:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Hurricane Georges

Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote:
>         Actually its not the USA that is waiting for Hurricane Hillary to 
hit, its
> Mr Clinton.  Unless Hillary is a total fluff head, it must not be pleasant
> for Bill to be in the same country, let alone 'oral office' with her.
>         Now everything that moves is powered by a non renewable resource whose
> term of availability is measured in our lifetimes.  Given that, why are
> most of the people who are supposedly so environmentally conscious, so
> opposed to nuclear energy.  I wasn't around then, but my mother says jolly
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> another source.  Please no emotion, just the facts.  It seems the anti nuke
> people are no intellect, just feelings.
 Peter have you forgotten Chyrnoble so soon. Not exactly friendly to the
environment was it? Three Mile Island also comes to mind. When nuclear
goes bad it does it big time. That is not emotion it is fact!!
   John and Muddy

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:11:44 -0300
Subject: Land Rover and the SUV

After reading some of the posts to the list this morning and some of the
posts to rec.car.4x4 I was musing about the term Sport/Utility Vehicle.
It is puzzling how so many SUVs are niether sporty nor utility.
 Speaking of that particular newsgroup, I asked if anyone had found a
use for the Toyota RAV4 and nearly got my keyboard blasted off for being
cynical/critical etc but no one answered the question except to say that
it was good for transporting a bicycle. HMMMM.
    John and Muddy

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:22:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Giving up...

Good News Adrian. the urge to smoke does go away soon than you think.On
the plus side some other urges seem to increase although answering them
in public may not be appropriate.
     John and Muddy

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 11:16:14 -0300
Subject: Hurricane names

Someone earlier was pondering why hurricanes all have European sounding
names. The main reason seems to be that it currently popular to blame
all the bad stuff in the world on those of European ancestry although
just how that gets attached to natural forces is beyond me.
    John and Muddy

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:30:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Hurricane names

Hurricane names are assigned years in advance.  There are six lists of 21
names (no q, u, x, y, or zed).  There are some changes from reuse to
reuse, as  names are retired.  I don't know who assigns them, or by what
criteria.  A list of the hurricane names through 2003 is at 
http://www.huracan.net/trop_name.asp

David

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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 11:15:53 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: The Marlboro Trophy

In a message dated 9/19/98 8:15:48 PM, you wrote:

<<yeah, but if the ATV took seven hours how did the Land Rover compete?

   Took about 6 hours.  Would have been 5, but a bridge over a stream was a
little too rickety to chance, so I had to ford the stream.  Would have been
fine except for the boulder in the middle which stopped me cold.  Tried to
restart with no luck, so I hi-lift winched (a really poor way to pull a
vehicle, I must say.) to the shallow section and got out the WD40.  A squirt
or two later and I was up and over the bank and back on the trail.
   The exciting part of this trek was the solidarity of it.  It's fun to
convoy with a number of vehicles, but the feeling of self reliance is what
sells solo trips to me.  

Enzo

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:53:55 +0200
Subject: Re: Land Rover and the SUV

John asks about the T*y*ta RAV4 - and at the risk of blasphemy, I will
say that I have driven one of these in Greenland.

It's a nippy little runabout - bog-standard jap-cab, but totally lacking
in character - the doors shut properly, the heater heats, the blower
blows and the door seals seal. Its warm and comfortable, and it's
powerful, good acceleration. nice handling, steering a little too
positive for my (SIII) taste - sits 5 comfortably, with plenty of room
in the back end for fishing tackle, shopping, and the odd sheep.

All the "skirt" around the sills is made of recycled ABS - hardwearing,
non-rusting, and easy to replace (until they stop making replacements).

I cannot find any account on which to fault the RAV4 - other than
suffice to say - it's not a Land Rover.

It's a well built, well designed, well functioning tin box, with little
headroom over the road, with a pile of complicated alloy junk under the
bonnet which probably defies tuning and service with anything less
delicate than a computer alignment rig. My guess is that it will look
good, drive good, and feel good until 48 hours after the last payment is
posted, then it will rapidly self-destruct leaving a pile of rust in its
trail.

Nice car - but still a car!

Adrian Redmond

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telephone (office)		    +45 86 57 22 66
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Visit the "Native Experience" project website at
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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:34:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Frankelson@aol.com

<< wot's G, D. & R ?? >>

 Grinning, Ducking & Running.
 
 (In my case not very fast due to my vast girth).

 Paul

 Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:44

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:34:16 -0400
Subject: Re: "British Car" LR fact & fiction

<< That blue paint you're looking for, I believe, is the very same RAF 
blue: a friend of mine here in L.A. had a RAF 109 FFR truck that he 
restored, and it was painted that color. >>

R.A.F. Blue is a light greyish-blue. In fact my old Jaguar XJ6 Series 2 
was painted "Squadron Blue".

 Dougal is a Dark Navy Blue (In fact the same or similar colour to 
Royal Navy Land-Rovers) but with a vivid Yellow roof. I have recently 
written to the Coastguard station where he was based for information 
about his history, and in an effort to scrounge the Coastguard crest 
stickers that used to grace his doors.
 
 He is riding a little nose high at the moment thanks to his new 
parabolic front springs. (The stockist is waiting for the rear ones to 
come in). The ride is much better at the front, but it lulls you into a 
sense of false security. You go over a bump & just as you think "That 
is much better than before.." BANG! the back wheels hit it.
 
 In fairness to the original springs they were (are) very rusty.
 

 Paul

 Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:33

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:34:20 -0400
Subject: Re: "British Car" LR fact & fiction

<< Paul,
nope
but I can find out for you..
stay tuned >>

 Thanks Frank
 
 Paul

 Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:43

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:34:32 -0400
Subject: Re:  Paul's Paint Color

<< The blue is *Corgi Dark Navy*. The yellow is *Corgi Yellow*.

Both paints are available at hobby shops in 2ounce containers...

Good luck, hope you get enough bottles...  ;-) >>

 Doh!

 Paul 
 
 Off to the model shop for some touch in paint..
 
 My wife said he was a big boy`s toy when I bought him...

 Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:53

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 
  (& Wifey drives: Mitsubishi Shogun 3.0 V6 LWB Auto. (H reg)
 

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:34:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Buying a new (whatever)

<< What is Brent Spar??? >>

An oil/ gas platform that had reached the end of its useful life. It 
still contained a lot of noxious chemicals etc.
 
 Paul

 Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:47

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: Vince Sabio <vince@humournet.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:41:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Land Rover and the SUV

** Sometime around 12:53 -0400 9/20/98, Adrian Redmond said:

>John asks about the T*y*ta RAV4 - and at the risk of blasphemy, I will
>say that I have driven one of these in Greenland.

Greenland -- where men are men, and sheep are afraid of SUVs?

>It's a nippy little runabout - bog-standard jap-cab, but totally lacking
>in character - the doors shut properly, the heater heats, the blower
>blows and the door seals seal. Its warm and comfortable, and it's
>powerful, good acceleration. nice handling, steering a little too
>positive for my (SIII) taste - sits 5 comfortably, with plenty of room
>in the back end for fishing tackle, shopping, and the odd sheep.
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"I swear to God, yerronnir, I was just trying to help it into the back
of the car...!"

;-)

- Vince Sabio
  Columbia MD
  98 Disco (original owner!)
  STILL no leaks ...

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:02:13
Subject: Re: Hurricane Georges

	Yes Chernobyl was bad.  But the Soviet Union seems to be a system that 
was
on a road to hell for everything from food distribution to mining.  TMI did
not result in a melt down and, hopefully has been a lesson in how not to
have it happen again.
	One thing I'd like to point out on the safety record of the Nuclear 
Power
Generation, there has not been a fatality from the nuclear side of energy
production in the United States.  That cannot be said from other sources of
power generation.  Yes it does have its problems if something goes wrong,
but what are the alternatives. 
	What happened to all the forests that were supposedly dieing from acid
rain caused primarily, I've heard, by the production of electricity from
coal.  Coal will be our primary source of power when petroleum becomes dear
so can we only expect MOS of acid rain.  
Aloha Peter

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:15:44
Subject: Re: Buying a new (whatever)

Mahalo Paul, it didn't sound like any environmentally unfriendly chemical
I'm familiar with so was puzzling over what Adrian was talking about.

Aloha Peter

At 01:34 PM 9/20/98 -0400, you wrote:

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:28:01
Subject: Re: Hurricane Georges

	People complain about the cost of fuel now.  Think how expensive its 
going
to be to run things on vegetable generated alcohol or whatever else comes
along in the form of a liquid fuel.  That, I fear will really be the end of
the rover and any other vehicle that is owner serviceable and replaceable.
The herbivores bitch about the agricultural resources eaten up in the
production of beef.  Think how happy they'll be when considerably more of
those resources are dedicated to the automobile.
	BTDT Have lived for over ten years on alternate energy systems.  It 
ain't
all its cracked up to be and definitely not for the average family used to
flipping a light switch and expecting something to happen.  Wind and Solar
require backups that cannot be turned on at a moments notice for
significant periods of time.  Water generation is no longer viable in the
US as the enviromentalist are trying to dismantle the water generation
systems that we have now.
	So I ask again, anybody see anything that can equal nuclear power for
clean production of energy?? 

At 04:43 AM 9/20/98 EDT, you wrote:

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:32:43
Subject: Re: Hurricane Georges

	People complain about the cost of fuel now.  Think how expensive its 
going
to be to run things on vegetable generated alcohol or whatever else comes
along in the form of a liquid fuel.  That, I fear will really be the end of
the rover and any other vehicle that is owner serviceable and replaceable.
The herbivores bitch about the agricultural resources eaten up in the
production of beef.  Think how happy they'll be when considerably more of
those resources are dedicated to the automobile.
	BTDT Have lived for over ten years on alternate energy systems.  It 
ain't
all its cracked up to be and definitely not for the average family used to
flipping a light switch and expecting something to happen.  Wind and Solar
require backups that cannot be turned on at a moments notice for
significant periods of time.  Water generation is no longer viable in the
US as the environmentalist are trying to dismantle the water generation
systems that we have now.
	So I ask again, anybody see anything that can equal nuclear power for
clean production of energy?? 

Aloha Peter

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 14:34:09 EDT
Subject: Re: Buying a new (whatever)

In a message dated 9/19/98 11:18:34 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
smithdv1@yahoo.com writes:

<< Should we be
 expecting a boom in nine months or what?.....;-) >>

Hhhmmmm, maybe the Dormoblie will be on the road again.  Other than that, NO.

Later..
Gerry Elam
PHX AZ
"It's not the sex, Stupid.  It's the perjury."

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From: Jeff Goldman <roverboy@gis.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:02:59 -0400
Subject: Brake Servo question...

  Quick one. Is there supposed to be brake fluid or some other type of
fluid in the servo unit itself? Servo is the type that locates between the
pedal and the dual-system master cylinder on a North America late ('71) SWB
SIIA.
  Thanks.

Jeff G.

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:58:48
Subject: Re: Brake Servo question...

No!  Probably brake fluid dribbling out of the master cylinder.

Aloha Peter

At 03:02 PM 9/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
>  Quick one. Is there supposed to be brake fluid or some other type of
>fluid in the servo unit itself? 
>Jeff G.

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:03:41 EDT
Subject: Re: Giving up...

In a message dated 20/09/98 09:19:38 BST, you write:

<< get a bicycle, and
 start riding - it'll counteract your increased appetite. 
  >>
and if you get an old Raleigh, with three speed Sturmey Archer gears, you can
spend half your life repairing it - it'll feel just like yr other hobby!!!

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:11:55
Subject: Re: Giving up...

	Brings back memories of my old Raleigh.  Talk about a reliable
transmission.  Managed to father two kids despite the best efforts of that
damn shifting system and the top tube.
Aloha Peter

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:29:51 -1000
Subject: Frank's 'expecting'
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<<I went to see the consultant and the news was not as good
<<as I was expecting.......

I realise that no man would be happy to find out they "are expecting" =
but just think of the medical marvel, a pregnant man.  Reminds me of the =
Arnold (I will not even attempt to misspell his last name) and Danny =
Devito movie "Fatherhood"

Sorry, couldn't help myself.  Hope things turnoutfor the best
Aloha
Pete

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From: "Peter Hope" <phope@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:37:40 -1000
Subject: Parts Washers
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<<You *can* do it yourself.  The only thing that I
would add is go out an buy a parts washer that uses Varsol or some other
solvent. 

I agree %100.
If you think you will only use the parts washer one time for the engine =
rebuild, there are some places that will rent you one by the month.
Why would you want to do this?  Well they drop it off, drop by once a =
month and cart off the dirty fluid and fill 'er up with new, and pick =
the whole unit up when yer through with it.  Getting rid of the =
old/contaminated solvent can be a bugger, stuff is nasty.
Back in Virginia you could get them through SafetyClean.  Don't know if =
they are nationwide or not.
If you do buy your own parts washer, and are concerned about such things =
they do make a water based solvent that does work real well ( I used it =
recently doing an axle rebuild) and you can just hose the stuff off =
after.

My .02$
Aloha
Pete

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:05:11 EDT
Subject: Re: Giving up...

In a message dated 20/09/98 14:54:22 BST, you write:

<< Ron (gee, it's great to be perfect!) >>
I agree, very nice indeed....:-)>

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:05:15 EDT
Subject: Re: Hurricane names

In a message dated 20/09/98 15:17:18 BST, you write:

<< Someone earlier was pondering why hurricanes all have European sounding
 names. The main reason seems to be that it currently popular to blame
 all the bad stuff in the world on those of European ancestry although
 just how that gets attached to natural forces is beyond me. >>

well I'm European and I'se as natural as hell :-)>
(anyone who disagrees with that remark, ie anyone who has met me or anyone who
has read any of my emails -  do your worst, I'll just turn my hearing aid off,
take my spectacles off and continue on my merry way)

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:05:19 EDT
Subject: Leafg springs (was Re: "British Car" LR fact & fiction)

In a message dated 20/09/98 18:37:18 BST, you write:

<< The ride is much better at the front, but it lulls you into a 
 sense of false security. You go over a bump & just as you think "That 
 is much better than before.." BANG! the back wheels hit it. >>

I/ve discovered, driving the Ser3 I bought for my son yesterday, that the
roads around here are terrible.
Never noticed in the 110......

BTW, I'm going to oil/grease the springs, let's have suggestions please - like
would jacking it up separate the leaves to allow oil/grease in, what to use
etc etc

it seems a lifetime since I owned a leafer

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:24:31 EDT
Subject: Re:  Leaf springs

<<BTW, I'm going to oil/grease the springs, let's have suggestions please>> -
like
would jacking it up separate the leaves to allow oil/grease in, what to use
etc etc>>

You may as well mix abrasive grit in with the grease if that's what you will
use, because that's what'll happen. Grease traps dirt/sand/grit etc., in
between the leaves and then it does the springs no good.

Someone mentioned dry graphite. That would get my vote. It sometimes comes in
aerosol cans, suspended in a thin liquid that quickly rises to destroy the
ozone, but at least it won't destroy your springs ;-) (actually, it may be
ozone safe these days...)

I guess having access to compressed air would allow you to blow all the crud
out from withing the leaves.

<<- like
would jacking it up separate the leaves to allow oil/grease in, what to use
etc etc>>

Well I wouldn't have thought you'd ask what to use, but I prefer to use a
floor jack and axle stands, but a long lever over a big rock would work ;-)

--pat.

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:40:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Leafg springs (was Re: "British Car"

<< BTW, I'm going to oil/grease the springs, let's have suggestions 
please - like would jacking it up separate the leaves to allow 
oil/grease in, what to use etc etc >>

 Jacking mine up did not part the leaves. The rust was so bad it was 
forcing the leaves apart. If I remember correctly some old cars had 
leather boots over the leaf springs to keep them clean & lubricated. 
Oil and or grease together with mud etc makes a good grinding paste and 
will certainly promote corrosion. I have heard some people advocating 
graphite for lubrication. 
 
 The Parabolics seem like the answer, but they cost a packet!
 
 By the way, when I did the Front springs I noticed a distinct lack of 
a steering damper. Should there be one fitted on a 88" SIII do you 
think?
 
 Paul

 Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:01

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:31:54 EDT
Subject: Re: Frank's 'expecting'

In a message dated 20/09/98 20:36:34 BST, you write:

<< Sorry, couldn't help myself.  Hope things turnoutfor the best >>
thanx Pete, I've come to terms with it now, could be worse, I might not have
been around to worry :-)>
it still amazes me how we can sometimes read something amusing into a
perfectly normal message,
bit like the man at the cinema duplex with his kids "Have you got a film that
it good wholesome family entertainment, but with innuendo?"

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:35:14 -0700
Subject: Re: New Tires (!) (?)

Scott Wilson wrote:
> > Jeez, it must ride like it's on solid rubber tyres.
> Okay, okay, fine... I'll try deflating them to 35 and see what
> happens.

 	I keep mine inflated to 50 although the max is 65, so I'm not too
close to going over. I say try 35 and if you don't like it, slowly bump
it up by 2 psi at a time and drive it until it feels good. I would put
more in if they feel spongy on a corner. By the way tire pressures are
usually checked cold, so I would think 50 psi max would be the cold
pressure. A tire shouldn't explode at 51, they should have a good safety
margine built in like everything else I would think. Anyone out there
make tires and know for sure?

Jim Hall

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:40:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Leafg springs (was Re: "British Car" LR fact & fiction)

On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 Frankelson@aol.com wrote:

:BTW, I'm going to oil/grease the springs, let's have suggestions please - like
:would jacking it up separate the leaves to allow oil/grease in, what to use
:etc etc

I use stuff called Slip Plate, which is graphite and other magic dry
lubricants.  I suspect that you can't get it in the UK, but you should be 
able to get something like it from a farm supply place.  

You need to reapply after serious exposure to mud.

david

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:51:46 EDT
Subject: Re: Leaf springs

In a message dated 20/09/98 21:26:52 BST, you write:

<< Well I wouldn't have thought you'd ask what to use, but I prefer to use a
 floor jack and axle stands, but a long lever over a big rock would work ;-)
<< Well I wouldn't have thought you'd ask what to use, but I prefer to use a

oh very funny, sod off to bed :-)>

I'll look to see if we have this graphite stuff in the UK. Guess I could
always grind up a fishing rod...........

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:51:48 EDT
Subject: Re: Leafg springs (was Re: "British Car"

In a message dated 20/09/98 21:43:44 BST, you write:

<< If I remember correctly some old cars had 
 leather boots over the leaf springs to keep them clean & lubricated. 
 Oil and or grease together with mud etc makes a good grinding paste and 
 will certainly promote corrosion. I have heard some people advocating 
 graphite for lubrication. >>

actually, now the old brain is working I remember we used to grease up
leaves... er before Land Rovers.... then wrap 'em in hessian sacking (long
since disappeared off the farm in favour of plastic. Guess that kept the sh*t
out.
  
 <<< The Parabolics seem like the answer, but they cost a packet!>>>
tell me about it, I only just bought my son the car, it cost less than a set
of parabolics
  
 <<< By the way, when I did the Front springs I noticed a distinct lack of 
 a steering damper. Should there be one fitted on a 88" SIII do you 
 think? >>

no, they didn't have 'em as standard although you could (probably still can)
buy an aftermarket one.
There was some discussion many years ago that they could cover up a multitude
of sins. Like wearing steering parts allowed to wear more because the damper
covered up movement/shaking etc that would normally let you know something was
amiss.
I've no thoughts either way.... the "new" Ser3 steers ok to me, although my
daughter-in-law said it felt different from the brand new power steering vans
she drives at work.
Fair enough said my son, I'll drive it all the time.......

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:09:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: LRO  in WY

>Hello
>anyone on the list in the state of WY
>I will be in state on oct 21
>will be driving V8  109
>thinking of touching base with other owners
Dave stop by Northern Colorado..Longmont to be exact.  A few LRO's to have
a pint with. Even a former Pittsburger....

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
				Dennis Miller

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From: Stuart <concepts@ihug.co.nz>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 11:31:49 +1200
Subject: Range Rover 1970's FIA Homolagation Papers

Can anybody help me with a copy of a set of 1970's - 1980's FIA Classic
Range Rover Homolagation Papers and any information on rally and raid
preparation. My email address in New Zealand is: concepts@ihug.co.nz

Regards
Stuart G. Roberts

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From: Steven Henry <sahenry@sprynet.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:06:25 -0400
Subject: RE: BMW and the end of LR...

On Sunday, September 20, 1998 8:30 AM, The Becketts [SMTP:hillman@bigpond.com] 
wrote:
> Steven Henry wrote:
> >Suzuki's  Grand Viatra has a six cylinder engine.
> Was this a slip and yopu were thing of Grand Viagra - or did you mean
> Vitara?

Vitara. :-)

Steven

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:21:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Beginning of the end for LR?

Frankelson@aol.com wrote:

> er... you know how you can import a vehicle pre 197something?
> can you not import a Defender of the dates the Defender was sold in
> the
> States?

Basically no. You can if LR as original manufactuer will certify that it
is the same configuration and build date as vehicles they had certified
as meeting US safety and emission regs. So any old Defender won't do,
only one in unaltered NAS configuration, and then only if LR will
cooperate, which they don't have to do. There may be another provision
for a certified importer to take responsibility for the vehicle being
the same configuration, etc. but I don't know the details. The old
importer/converter days are long gone due to gross abuse of the system,
as is the one per lifetime exemption.

There is a 25 year old or older exemption from needing to meet safety
regs for import. Anyting pre-'68 doesn't have to meet emission regs, and
EPA can grant a waiver from emission regs for vehicles over 25 years
old, it may be automatic. The 25 years is based on time from
manufacture, not model year. Note that these are exemptions from the
Federal rules governing what may be imported. Some states (CA) may be
more stringent about what can be registered.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:12:12 +0100
Subject: Once per lifetime...

> The old
> importer/converter days are long gone due to gross abuse of the system,
> as is the one per lifetime exemption.

The once per lifetime thing is all any of us would need to make us happy... 
And I'm sure my mom would love to import herself an 80's 110... as well

=:)

-Scott

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:16:09 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Beginning of the end for LR?

In a message dated 9/20/98 8:24:24 PM, you wrote:

<<The old
importer/converter days are long gone due to gross abuse of the system,
as is the one per lifetime exemption.>>

Now that's what I thought too. Until I saw a Camel Trophy Disco here in
Florida. Asked the mechanic at the dealership whose it was: "A lawyer from
Palm Beach"... How'd it get here: "bought at auction from the Mongolian Gov't
after the CT"... Yeah, but how'd it get *here*: "The one per lifetime rule,
and some money..."

So, I don't know if it slipped through, but the other Mongolian CT Disco that
was auctioned off (there were two left behind by World Brands or whoever owns
the Camel Trophy name) is in Virginia somewhere (also a private owner).

Oh well.

--pat.

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:29:22 +0100
Subject: RE: Leaf springs

> Guess I could
> always grind up a fishing rod...........

Or you could take your springs apart and scribble on them with 
a pencil... You might want to look for one of those "HUSKY"
pencils, though...

-Scott

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:33:03 +0100
Subject: RE: Re: Beginning of the end for LR?

> How'd it get here: "bought at auction from the Mongolian Gov't
> after the CT"... Yeah, but how'd it get *here*: "The one per lifetime rule,
> and some money..."

Probably an emphasis on "And some money"

I imagine if any of us were so inclined, we could get a rover or two
into the country, but I'm not a lawyer from Palm Beach who probably 
does work for various Miami shipyards...

-Scott

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 98 19:27:53 -0700
Subject: BMW engine option in RRs????

Now for another engine question:

Evidently there is a 2.5L 6 cyl turbo diesel engine built by BMW that was 
a Rover optional engine for the Rang eRover stsrting in 1994.

This engine is rated at 134 HP @ 4400 RPM & 199 lb-ft @ 2300 RPM.  It 
evideltly comes with a 5M five speed transmission.

Anyone know anything about this engine & what countries this option 
is/was sold into???

It sounds like it might be an interesting engine if it fits into a series 
rig.

Bimmer engines placed in Rovers since '94. Hmmm

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:14:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Once per lifetime...

At 09:12 PM 9/20/98 +0100, you wrote:
>> The old
>> importer/converter days are long gone due to gross abuse of the system,
>> as is the one per lifetime exemption.
>The once per lifetime thing is all any of us would need to make us happy... 
>And I'm sure my mom would love to import herself an 80's 110... as well

 Hardly because of "gross abuse of the system", more like the GREED of
 US automobile manufacturers in trying to keep overseas vehicles out of
 "their" market.  No rational person would believe that vehicles which
 meet European standards are somehow unsafe or would be polluting our
 environment.  Simple protectionism, that's how the game is played!
 Hence a 25% tariff on cargo trucks to keep Japanese pickups out and by
 consequence Land Rover pickups too.

-Michael 

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From: "Johan van Staden" <jcvs@gold.up.ac.za>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:27:51 +0200
Subject: Zenith Carb/Air Cleaner

-- One thing to check is the oil level in the air cleaner.  If the oil level
-- is even the tiniest bit over the level mark, the airflow to the 
-- carburetor will be restricted and your fuel consumption will go 
-- upquite dramatically. I had this happen once and couldn't figure 
-- out why after 7 years my Series III, which I'd bought new in 1973, 
-- was suddenly getting horrible mileage.

I always wondered how the oil bath air cleaner works. Does the air 
pass through the oil? In a moving truck the oil will slosh around 
inside. If the level is critical, what happens on steep slopes? Will it 
suck dust into the carb? A diagram would help. My manual doesn't 
show any detail.

Johan van Staden
Gold Fields Computer Centre for Education
Faculty of Science, University of Pretoria
Pretoria 0002
South Africa
Tel: x-12-420 2470  Fax: x-12-420-3874

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From: "Shaun Fisher" <FisherS@natburo.kzntl.gov.za>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:19:47 +0200
Subject: Re: Zenith Carb/Air Cleaner

Hi  
I found that the oil bath air cleaner is not an effective device. Espesialy on 
off-road conditions and water. The way I see it, the oil is just a dust trap. I 
swaped mine for a donaldson type filter and have had no more problems with dust 
or water. 

>>> "Johan van Staden" <jcvs@gold.up.ac.za> 09/21 10:27 AM >>>

-- One thing to check is the oil level in the air cleaner.  If the oil level
-- is even the tiniest bit over the level mark, the airflow to the 
-- carburetor will be restricted and your fuel consumption will go 
-- upquite dramatically. I had this happen once and couldn't figure 
-- out why after 7 years my Series III, which I'd bought new in 1973, 
-- was suddenly getting horrible mileage.

I always wondered how the oil bath air cleaner works. Does the air 
pass through the oil? In a moving truck the oil will slosh around 
inside. If the level is critical, what happens on steep slopes? Will it 
suck dust into the carb? A diagram would help. My manual doesn't 
show any detail.

Johan van Staden
Gold Fields Computer Centre for Education
Faculty of Science, University of Pretoria
Pretoria 0002
South Africa
Tel: x-12-420 2470  Fax: x-12-420-3874

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From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <Alain-Jean.pares@capway.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:30:42 +0100
Subject: Re: Torque and french considerations 

>Actually, formal would be comprendez-vous? (hyphenated inversion)
Sorry, but it is ...
comprenez vous ?

Alain-Jean PARES,
Fontainebleau, FRANCE
88D Series III

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From: Wmohara@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 04:37:16 EDT
Subject: Cloth interior of alpine roof

has anyone had experience reinstalling the fabric inside the alpine roof. I
was planning on reusing the metal edges or the pices inside the fabric. they
all crumbled into dust .any ideas on how to replace those pieces or if they
are still available somewhere...........bill O'Hara

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 04:43:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Once per lifetime...

Michael Carradine wrote:

>  Hardly because of "gross abuse of the system", more like the GREED of
>  US automobile manufacturers in trying to keep overseas vehicles out
> of
>  "their" market.  No rational person would believe that vehicles which
>  meet European standards are somehow unsafe or would be polluting our
>  environment.  Simple protectionism, that's how the game is played!
>  Hence a 25% tariff on cargo trucks to keep Japanese pickups out and
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> by
>  consequence Land Rover pickups too.

The US based auto manufactures were not the ones who pushed the changes
in the import rules. The few vehicles which were privately imported
amounted to a few minutes of total US production per year.  Importers
including notably Porsche and BMW were frequently cited as the major
complainants, and they made various claims about the versions of their
vehicles sold abroad not meeting US regs.

European emission rules were much looser than US regs until recently,
and still are not equivalent. Most if not all cars meeting current US
emission regs will meet current European and Japense regs, but not
vise-versa. Currently a major push is on to harmonize safety regs,
though some of the differences are based on different philosophies. The
US manufactuers haven't lobbied for the tougher US safety and emission
regs in the past for protectionism or any other reason.

The US tariff on new cars is among the lowest in the world (1% or so).
The 25% tariff on light trucks had its origin in the early '60s in a
dispute over sugar beets and the like with the European Common Market.
It was aimed at European light trucks being imported at the time like VW
cargo vans and pickups (the ones based on VW buses) since the total
value of those was about the same as the sugar beets, etc in dispute.
The US manufactures did take advantage of it in the '80s with their
small pickups, but then Toyota and others got around it by importing
incomplete vehicles which just needed a cargo box.

I suspect the Defender will disappear from a number of markets in the
future as safety regs are tightened around the world. The proposed EU
pedestrian safety regs will affect most vehicles.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 04:53:01 -0400
Subject: Re: BMW engine option in RRs????

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> Evidently there is a 2.5L 6 cyl turbo diesel engine built by BMW that
> was
> a Rover optional engine for the Range Rover stsrting in 1994.

> Bimmer engines placed in Rovers since '94. Hmmm

It's available in the UK and Europe with both manual and automatic
transmissions. The auto trans version was reviewed in LRO, LRW, etc a
year or so ago. The engine is a slightly different tuned version of an
engine also used in BMW cars in Europe. The deal for use in RR's was in
the works before BMW became interested in buying LR. BMW was (and may
still be) widely shopping that engine to other vehicle manufactuers in
the early '90s. I think they put in excess production capacity planning
to sell it to others. Generally considered very good but expensive,
which is probably the reason for the rumored 5cyl LR diesel for the
Defender and Discovery.

No idea if it fits into a 4cyl series LR, but it should fit into a 6cyl.

Regards,
David Cockey

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