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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:10:59 +0200
Subject: Kpa - Psi

Hi All,

Need a quick spot of help... What is 1240Kpa expressed in Psi?
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za
http://AfricanAdrenalin.com

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:31:31 -0500
Subject: SIII bulkhead

Does anyone in the New England area have a Series III bulkhead they have 
parted out from a vehicle and would be willing to sell reasonably?  I won't 
be using the metal part at all, so it can be in bad shape, but would need 
all the things which attach to it like the dashpanel, supports, guages, 
pedals, etc.  I would prefer that the plastic parts were ok.   I have a new 
bulkhead for my project but none of the attachments.

I have a few things to trade, or would buy outright.

Ron Franklin
207-666-5614

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:35:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Kpa - Psi

1240Kpa - 179.84680243263105 PSI.

It's amazing what's on the Web for converters...8*)

                    ajr

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From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:05:03 -0500
Subject: inspection lite sockets

For a while I tried to use the sockets to  with jacks from the local radio
store. They fit, but they shake out. This ain't no Bentley, after all.
Rovers shake. Jacks slip, especially if a bunch of wiring is swinging
merrily off them.

To hang a pigtailed cigar lighter, solder the pigtail connections into the
sockets, and they will never go anywhere. The sockets are brass tubes with
closed ends. Drill out the sockets, and solder the wires from the inside
end. Then the cigar lighter socket will not shake or pull out. This method
does not alter the functionality of the original sockets, in case you find
a lambing light and your ewes start dropping lambs.

Happy birthday, B.B.King!

    _____
___(_____)           By the time you get it all together
|Baby the\           sometimes you can't remember why
|1969 Land\_===__    you wanted it together
   ___Rover   ___|o  in the first place.
|_/ . \______/ .  ||
 __\_/________\_/________________________________________________
Ned Heite, Camden, DE  http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 8:19:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Trade Petrol Engine for Diesel & Conversion

I am drawing the conclusion that you want to build a diesel out of your 
current petrol engine. Is this correct?. If so, you are about to waste a 
whole bunch of time. You should consider simply replacing the current 
petrol with a diesel instead of trying to Frankenstein one out of parts.
About the only things interchangable between the two is the engine block 
and some gaskets. Everything else is different, so it doesn't make any 
sense to swap guts.
Diesels have a forged crank, a steel flywheel (different timing marks 
too), forged pistons, completely different head, different fuel pump, 
different intake and exhaust manifolds, just to name a few. 
You must apply the law of diminshing returns. By the time you acquire the 
new engine, get the truck ready for it, and install it, you'll have spent 
a couple thou. How many miles do you think you'll have to drive to 
amortize the cost of a diesel?
You can easily do the engine work to your petrol for far less. The head 
needs to go to the machine shop for a reconditioning...couple of hundred, 
you may need new rings... your labor and fifty bucks (do this with the 
head in the shop...and even put in new bearings for another fifty) and a 
rebuilt carb for another hundred or so (your labor and parts).
You'll get a perky engine that will deliver better fuel mileage, without 
all the hassle of converting to diesel.
Lastly, that engine from your parts car is your salvation. The block and 
heads can go to the machine shop and get a freshening so that all you 
have to do is swap out the old long block with the rebuilt one.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Paul G <pgussack@utk.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:26:59 -0400
Subject: Re:Weber Carb

I have a weber single barrel on Grendal a "73 SIII SWB.  I have no
experience with any other carb.  I have had little problem with it
(Nigel stay away) it is easy to adjust and I get a good cruising speed
of 55mph up to 65mph or even 70mph downhill. Gas mileage is pretty good,
we don't take alot of long trips.  

The only drawback is a lack of printed information on it.  If anyone has
any please let me know.

Paul G
SIII SWB Grendal

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From: "A.G.Dolsa" <dolsa@emporion.net>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:55:22 +0200
Subject: .

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:16:11 +0000
Subject: Re: Erroneous fusing concepts

>Well be it Mike - jiuce in't fence keeps cows in't field, but the use of
>"Manchester screws" (six inch nails - soory Frank!) is not good
>electrical practice.
Well,I *was* joking,Adrian.
I dont remember that any car I had built around/before 1970 was any
more fuseworthy than this.I've always assumed that the rationale
(if there was one) went something like fuse the instrument panel,etc to
protect the instruments,and let the light bulbs act as fuses where
applicable.After all,loads were fairly low.Heaters were optional extras,
radio (wireless) nearly non existant,dynamos normal,and people didnt
seem taken with the notion of hanging enough electrical extras on
to keep the average power station in business.Even most winches were
mechanical.And jump starting was just about unheard of,though I wouldnt
go as far as to say it wasnt done at all.I just think people were maybe
less paranoid,that's all.I dont recall it ever worried me,any more than
I had any trouble with it.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Dr. G. Warren Smith" <gwsmith@sru.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:18:12 -0400
Subject: Re:Inspection Sockets

I replaced the original inspection sockets with banana sockets back in the
late 60's.  Besides a reliable (though unfused) source of 12 VDC for
operating my CD, 12 VDC drill, sander and saber saw, it was mostly used
during the decade I lived in Alaska to plug in (more or less permanently)
my battery charger output.  Plugging in the 120 VAC side of the charger to
the rest of the electrical heaters, etc., culminating in the 3-prong
cord/plug hanging out the front of all the cars operating in the winter in
Fairbanks gave me a reasonable chance to start "Lurch" in the morning.  The
charger was mounted to the middle of the dash, hanging off a large screw head.

Warren

Dr. G. Warren Smith, President			gwsmith@sru.edu
300 Old Main
Slippery Rock University			(724) 738-2000               
Slippery Rock, PA  16057-1326			(724) 738-2169 (Fax)
					(Note: New Area Code)
Visit our homepage : www.sru.edu

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From: Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:31:33 -0400
Subject: Parabolics on Santanas

Hello;
Didn't Santanas have parabolic springs, if so, one could get long term
spring info from a Santana owner/newsgroup.

Keith R. Mohlenhoff
63 5 door 2.25D w/ parabolics
71 3 door 2.25P w/o (for now)
88 RR 3.5P

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From: Tim Harincar <harincar@Camworks.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:38:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Help! Sidney's stranded

Hmmm, it may be flooding. When I bought my Rover, it was exhibiting some of
the same problems with a nearly new Zenith carb. Once hot, it ran like crap.
It would stall in slow traffic or at stop lights, then it was a pain to get
started again. It would smoke like a diesel, too. Check the float
measurement and make sure the top half isn't warped. If you've got fuel in
the bowl, I'd suspect this, though your symptoms are similar to vapor lock.

Another thing I read about when going through some old digests on vapor lock
is that a bad coil can result in behavior very similar to vapor lock. Once
the coil gets good and hot it begins to get flaky. Leave it to Lucas to have
a problem that can masquerade as something completely unelectrical.

Tim
'66 IIa 88 SW *On the block*
---
tim harincar
harincar@camworks.com
Camworks, St. Paul, MN
http://www.camworks.com
Internet Solutions that Power Business 

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 98 06:49:54 -0700
Subject: Re: Erroneous fusing concepts

Adrian writes:

<SNIP>
>being of the weaker sex (Ooops! sorry TeriAnn - being unaccustommed to
>motor electrics) 

Hey no problem Adrian.  It never occurred to me that knowledge of 
electronics = stronger gender but it doesn't bother me.  

I have seen a lot of people of both genders who have no concept of what 
an electrical circuit is, and could care less.  That is unless the 
circuit breaks and it is something that are depending upon.

We all have different values and different interests.  Unfortunately our 
societies place a predetermined set of meta values on us based upon such 
things as race, religion, ethnic background, sex and age.  Because of 
this, your appearance carries a large set of stereotypes in the eye of 
the beholder.

And many of us have no interest in doing or clue of how to do some of 
these things we are supposed to know or be able to do because of the 
category that we are each born into.

I don't know about you but I always seem to find people who reach outside 
their stereotypes to be a lot more interesting than those who accept them 
as self limitations.

Take care

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:42:17 +0200
Subject: Re: Kpa - Psi

Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com wrote:
> 1240Kpa - 179.84680243263105 PSI.
> It's amazing what's on the Web for converters...8*)

Thanks Alan,

I tried on the web and all I got was tons of junk.

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za
http://AfricanAdrenalin.com

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:45:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Help! Sidney's stranded

Re: Sidney:

If it was colder, my first thought on this one would have been carb icing. Like
the other two, it has the same set of symptoms, causes power loss and stalling,
and goes happily away if the engine is allowed to "rest" for 10 minutes.

Just an FYI - if we're comparing symptoms...

                    ajr

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:52:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Kpa - Psi

Re: Reference materials:

Try  http://www.refdesk.com/ -
They have a bunch of good miscellaneous reference materials, as well as a load
of pointers to handy bits like the converter I used for this. Lots of junk too,
but some gems can be gleaned from it.

               ajr

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From: "HENRY STAGE"<henry.stage@smtp.cnet.navy.mil>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:42:10 -0600
Subject: Customs questions

     This is for all the forward moving yanks on the list.  I have with me 
     here in Norfolk, VA one James SPence, of Yorkshire by way of 
     Australia, awaiting his 110 in a container box coming from Sydney. He 
     has a Carnet that the rest of the civilized world recognizes but the 
     US does not recognize them.  Has anybody here shipped a vehicle to the 
     US before for TEMPORARY PURPOSES, ie; not importing it but just using 
     it and then sending it back from whence it came???
     I cant imagine that Canadians (got to watch those evil frost-backs, 
     you know!) and Mexican nationals  have to post bonds when they drive 
     in the US, or do they???
     
     Second,  have any yanks here sent vehicles overseas for overland 
     touring??  What did you use for a Carnet, or something to avoid paying 
     import duties at every border??
     
     Looking forward to lively discussion on this thread...
     
     Cheers,
     
     Cole Stage
     '67 IIA Ambulance "Hefelump" (as in, it is as big as a ...)

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 98 07:07:34 -0700
Subject: Re: Customs questions

The US recognizes carnets.  

I used them frequently go get computer equipment into & out of Europe and 
not pay duty fees.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:05:44 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Erroneous fusing concepts

In a message dated 9/16/98 9:47:56 AM, TeriAnn wrote:

<<I have seen a lot of people of both genders who have no concept of what 
an electrical circuit is, and could care less.>>

Hey, I've heard of electric cicuits before... isn't that a race course for
electric cars?

>.

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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:37:15 EDT
Subject: Re: Stereotypes (was fusing concepts) no LR cont

In a message dated 98-09-16 09:47:56 EDT, you write:

<< I don't know about you but I always seem to find people who reach outside 
 their stereotypes to be a lot more interesting than those who accept them 
 as self limitations. >>

Amen Sister.  Very eloquently stated.  I get no end of grief from my wife
becuase I cannot hang sheet-rock, and get funny looks from folks when I get
"caught" reading poetry.  However, I've built cars from a stack of tubing.
Some people tell you to think outside the box.  I try to live outside the box,
as well.

Enzo

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:45:30 EDT
Subject: Re: Stereotypes (was fusing concepts) no LR cont

In a message dated 9/16/98 10:38:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Jpslotus27@aol.com writes:

<< Amen Sister.  Very eloquently stated.  I get no end of grief from my wife
 becuase I cannot hang sheet-rock, and get funny looks from folks when I get
 "caught" reading poetry.  However, I've built cars from a stack of tubing.
 Some people tell you to think outside the box.  I try to live outside the
box,
 as well. >>

Along the same lines, my wife almost exclusively drives our 1 ton 4X4 dually
crew-cab pick-up and 5 horse gooseneck trailer.  Once, there was a short in
the PASSENGER SIDE vanity mirror which would drain the battery in about 3
days.  When I called to schedule it for the warranty work, the service guy
said, "Well, it'll take a few weeks for the part to come in so after we unhook
it, your wife will have to do without the mirror."

To which I immediately responded, "Oh, did you have to remove the driver's
side too?"

Nate (True Confessions)

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From: "Wilson, Scott" <wilsons@msmail.vislab.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:52 -0500
Subject: RE: Stereotypes (was fusing concepts) no LR cont

Yeah... my life's never been the same after having to work
on my rover on the Triborough Bridge in my new dress.

=:)

 -Scott  

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From: Devin Anderson <devin.anderson@haledorr.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:58:52 -0400
Subject: Water Temp Guage

The water temp guage on my Series III 109 Stationwagon (Euro 6-Cylinder)
is dead.  When I start and run the engine, it does absolutely nothing. 
Where do I start troubleshooting this?  Should I assume the element is
bad, the guage, both?.  I do not even know where to begin.

Thanks in advance:

Devin Anderson

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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:04:21 EDT
Subject: Re: Stereotypes (was fusing concepts) no LR cont

In a message dated 98-09-16 10:57:34 EDT, you write:

<< Yeah... my life's never been the same after having to work
 on my rover on the Triborough Bridge in my new dress. >>

um, I'm sorry Scott, but some stereotypes are just too hard for me to shake.
You evidently have no sense.  You never wear a NEW dress when you drive a Land
Rover.  The potential od having to do some work on it and ruining your dress
are just too great.  Any man that would wear a new dress in his Land Rover is
a fool.

E

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:12:57 EDT
Subject: Re: Water Temp Guage

In a message dated 9/16/98 11:01:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
devin.anderson@haledorr.com writes:

<< The water temp guage on my Series III 109 Stationwagon (Euro 6-Cylinder)
 is dead.  When I start and run the engine, it does absolutely nothing. 
 Where do I start troubleshooting this?  Should I assume the element is
 bad, the guage, both?.  I do not even know where to begin. >>

Where to start:

1. With the key in the on position (but engine off) touch the water temp
sensor lead to the engine block or other GOOD ground.  The gauge should go to
the top of hot.    If not, then there is a problem in electrical continuity.

2.  I don't know the back of the SIII instrument panel too well, but the next
thing to check is the voltage stabilizer to make sure it's putting out 10
volts.  It's not a straightforward measurement; something about analog
whatzit's (AJR-???)

3.  If the stabilizer is ok, and the wires show continuity (test for
resistance-should be zero in each segment), then the gauge is toast.  I'll bet
it is elsewhere, not in the gauge itself.

Good Luck
Nate

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From: "Kenner, Dixon" <Dixon.Kenner@ms.rc.x400.gc.ca>
Date: 16 Sep 1998 10:55:00 -0400
Subject: BurmaBright Brotherhood

><< Is the BB list still being maintained? I realized through a job change,
>Brian.Foster@tais.com (Foster, Brian) is still maintaining it.  Send him a
>note to get the latest info.  He had problems and is setting it up again so
>your note is timely.

I was under the impression that Trevor Easton was still maintaining
this list (though the last call for updates was a while ago)

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:20:23 EDT
Subject: Re: BurmaBright Brotherhood

In a message dated 9/16/98 8:17:56 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
Dixon.Kenner@ms.rc.x400.gc.ca writes:

<< I was under the impression that Trevor Easton was still maintaining
 this list (though the last call for updates was a while ag >>

Dixon is correct.  I got my lists confused.  Sorry 'bout that.  I'll go find a
shady spot..... the sun is getting to me.

Gerry Elam
PHX AZ

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:20:46 -0500
Subject: RE: Welding and Buying UK stuff

>What has Solihull quality control got to do with your problems? After
>reading your postings it seems to me that you have purchased a hybrid
>which has essentially been f*****d up! The original Land Rover design
>never catered for the modifications done to your truck therefore they
>are in no way responsible!!

No Peter,
I was not talking about my truck, which I have owned just for 11 days, and
is now running perfectly well. I was refering to the experience of the LR
mechanics I have talked to, (the story about the stock LR fleet of the
insurance company). LR half-shafts break more often than many other trucks'.
I understand thats a fact, not because of my experience, but because of
every mech. I have talked to and the list experience as far as I have read.
I was able to find broken ones for my experiments in every LR shop I went
to.
 An unquestionable part included by everyone in the list of spares to carry
always are half-shafts.
That is a defect in the material chosen for them to be made of. On every LR,
they break. So a fix was in order, or at least thats what the story I told
before reflected. The experience of the mechanic I spoke to was that they
made stronger half-shaft so they wouldn't break. They didn't, but that
affected the diffs. that absorbed the extra stress.
Maybe the reason because they break is not in the design, but in the
materials used in the drivetrain. The half-shafts are the weakest spot. I
like that hipothesis, but I'm a lawyer, not an engineer nor a mechanic, just
a hobbist for this matter.
I could be wrong, it is only my opinion which I am expressing here.
For what I know LR has never been famous for their quality control, even
less in recent years, so that is no wonder. I've heard many stories about
discovery's gearboxes failing when barely taken out of the dealer.
I am not complaining, and I am not a dissatisfied client. I love my
11-days-old f****d-up hibrid 90.
I went off-roading yesterday (our national independence day) with a guy in a
Toyota Hi-Lux. On pavement he had to wait for me several times, but when we
reached the dirt it was me who went flawless through everything the other
guy had to stop at. I'm begining to have the time of my life with this
little mutant-hybrid.
I'm into this for the fun, and I'm already having it. If something breaks,
then I have to fix it, thats it. But I'm not going to be blind over the
defects that are there, visible and tangible. As I said, it's just something
we will have to live with, because we chose to.
Rover-on.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:31:28 EDT
Subject: Re:  BurmaBright Brotherhood

In a message dated 9/16/98 11:17:56 AM, you wrote:

<<><< Is the BB list still being maintained? I realized through a job change,
>Brian.Foster@tais.com (Foster, Brian) is still maintaining it.  Send him a
>note to get the latest info.  He had problems and is setting it up again so
>your note is timely.

I was under the impression that Trevor Easton was still maintaining
this list (though the last call for updates was a while ago)>>

I sent updates to *both* Trevor and Brian.

Brian replied that I'm now part of some mendo-recce list, of which I had no
previous knowledge of its existence; not the mendo-mailing-list, but some
other list, I believe. I know about mendo, but it was something else he was
talking about...

This was from Brian (who didn't know who lro-list was):

<<Your listing would look something like this for mendo_recce (I don't
know anything about the LRO listing of people):
1993 Defender_110 Parsons Patrick <SPYDERS@aol.com> FL,Miami_Beach []
{G/M2}

I'll make copies available shortly. It would be nice to get to about 30%
of the list (that would be 60 people and right now, out of 181 on
mendo_recce I am at 34 people).

Brian>>

So, we shall see.

Trevor, Trevor, come in, Trevor... List-to-Trevor, over.  (or whatever you
HAM'ers say)

--pat.

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:31:22 -0700
Subject: Re: Sidney's home! (but still needs your help)

Joseph Broach wrote:
> Hi guys,
> If you've read my recent post (if not please do!), I just want to let you
> know Sid made it back to the dorm lot and is sleeping soundly after a
> stressful day. So that gives another clue to the mystery: after sufficient
> cooling, it runs fine. Thanks for your help,

	You might also either reroute the fuel lines around the back of the
engine compartment, or put heater hose over the existing lines to help
insulate it. Another thing is to make a heat shield out of thin metal to
protect the carb from heat radiated by the engine. Basically a metal
square bolted beneath the carb. Also if you have the heat shield that
goes around the exhaust manifold, between it and the bulkhead, you might
remove it.

Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88"

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:38:08 EDT
Subject: Re: BurmaBright Brotherhood

In a message dated 9/16/98 11:34:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SPYDERS@aol.com
writes:

<< So, we shall see.
 
 Trevor, Trevor, come in, Trevor... List-to-Trevor, over.  (or whatever you
 HAM'ers say)
 
 --pat. >>

I believe it's "breaker, breaker good buddah"

Nate (just joking, I have 2 ham brothers WA7ZWP and WB7WFN)

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:40:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Kpa - Psi

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com wrote:

:1240Kpa - 179.84680243263105 PSI.
I think you have a few too many sig figs there, Al.

David

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From: "Kerner, Rob" <kerner@vegmail.ucdavis.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:41:39 -0700
Subject: re: parabolic experience

Teriann....

I have had parabolics on Regent (series III 88)  since March and am very
happy with them.  They ride much better on road and give great articulation
off road.  Cynthia and I just got back from a 2300 mile trip through
Yellowstone and the Grand Tetons.  The only thing that made the trip
difficult was the noise.  I highly recommend them.  As for long lives, I'll
let you know in a couple of years.

Rob Kerner
Vegetable Crops
UC Davis
kerner@vegmail.ucdavis.edu

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:40:52 EDT
Subject: RE: Welding and Buying UK stuff

FWIW, I have heard of *very few* 90 halfshaft failures, never seen one in
person either. I've read a few anecdotal stories of it happening, etc., but
most can be attributed to over-eager throttle. I've never seen a 110 lose a
halfshaft, and have read of one CV failure (some guy at the "National"). I am
of the opinion that 90 half shafts, and certainly Salisbury shafts, are
stronger than what's in a series axle, but I have no proof, just opinion.

It is highly unlikely that Costa Rica got all the bogus LR halfshafts. Why do
the drivers there destroy them, and diffs so much? I think there is something
else going on there, driverwise. If you would like to keep your 2wd/4wd set
up, I recommend sourcing a Salisbury Axle for the rear... it would help you
very much.

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:42:35 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: BurmaBright Brotherhood

In a message dated 9/16/98 11:40:05 AM, Nate wrote:

<<I believe it's "breaker, breaker good buddah">>

...what a *ham*, our Nate is!

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:42:10 -0700
Subject: Re: Weber Carb

Paul G wrote:
> I have a weber single barrel on Grendal a "73 SIII SWB.  I have no
> experience with any other carb.  I have had little problem with it
> (Nigel stay away) it is easy to adjust and I get a good cruising speed
> of 55mph up to 65mph or even 70mph downhill. Gas mileage is pretty good,
> we don't take alot of long trips.
> The only drawback is a lack of printed information on it.  If anyone has
> any please let me know.

	`What kind of info do you need? I bought a rebuild kit for mine that
has some info.

Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88"

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:45:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Kpa - Psi

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com wrote:

:1240Kpa - 179.84680243263105 PSI.
I think you have a few too many sig figs there, Al.

David

So sue me - it was a cut and paste from the Java applet.....8*)

               aj"Blame Microsoft whenever possible..."r

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:52:45 +0200
Subject: TW Erroneous stereotypes

Hi TA

My jibe to you was a humourous aside, having caught myself in the act of
stereotyping.

Actually, the girl in question became an exceedingly capable television
technician and production manager, and is now a film producer at the
major film studio in Denmark - but I don't think she will ever forget to
check the + and -

I know what you mean, and I agree - jokes about my wife rolling 88's
around for pleasure aside, Hanne is a very capable lady with tools,
computers, and the technical gadgetry of television production.

I have had many women work with/for me as technicians over the years -
and yes, there are many handbag bearing stereotypes - just as there are
machoi men who assume that a Nikon or three around the neck is some sort
of proof of manhood - but I must admit, many, if not most of the best
technicians I have worked with are women - because however well they get
to understand the technology, they seem to retain a perspective about
why we even use it, and what use it could be put to. Women techies tend
to be more methodical, less likely to cut corners, and more engaged -
they need perhaps more time to master the black-art of the knobs and
buttons, bells and whistles, usually because they have not had the
opportunity before - but when they get there - they stay there, and are
good at it.

Sort of the same impression one gets reading your rover pages :-)

Cheers! 

Adrian Redmond

CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
telephone (office)		    +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)		    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data		    +45 76 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)		    +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)		    +45 40 50 22 66
mobile NMT			    +45 30 86 75 66
e-mail			     channel6@post2.tele.dk
website				    www.channel6.dk
Visit the "Native Experience" project website at
http://www.channel6.dk/native

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 98 08:57:47 -0700
Subject: re: parabolic experience

Have you done much offroading with them?

How do you feel the springs compaire off road?

Are they any more "tippy" off road?

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:54:27 -0500
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_D=EDa_Feliz_M=E9jico_De_la_?=

>Happy Indepence Day Mexico!!

Not only Mexico, Central America's Independence Day too. (Costa Rica's too
by consequence!)
:-)

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:04:24 EDT
Subject: Re: Help! Sidney's stranded

If you haven't had an answer, take a look at all ignition components. The
symptoms you describe can be Condenser, Cap Rotor, Coil or Wires and all have
seperately happened to me on other vehicles.

Zack Arbios

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:01:50 -0700
Subject: Re: Welding and Buying UK stuff

Luis Manuel Gutierrez wrote:

> I went off-roading yesterday (our national independence day) with a guy in a
> Toyota Hi-Lux. On pavement he had to wait for me several times, but when we
> reached the dirt it was me who went flawless through everything the other
> guy had to stop at. I'm begining to have the time of my life with this
> little mutant-hybrid.
> I'm into this for the fun, and I'm already having it.

	It's good to hear that you have a Rover and are finally enjoying it.
ROVER ON DUDE!

Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88"

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:02:09 -0500
Subject: RE: Contradiction in terms?

>High quality British steel?
>isn't that a contradiction in terms - like -
>non rusting land rovers
>honourable lawyers
>sober judges
>p*ss*ed newts

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
>apologies to lawyers, judges and newts on this one folks...
>:-)

Apologies accepted. (I'm already used to this jokes)  :-]

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: david_r._bobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 98 11:54:23 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks. 

>I have 7.50 R16's, well actually 235 85 16's which are the same. The tire 
>size however favors the highway and not the trail 

I'm afraid not Jim.
technically speaking, the larger tire diameter gives you a higher overall speed 
and higher gearing which allows you to reach that higher speed. However, the LR 
2.25 petrol is often not up to the task of pulling that higher gearing, so you 
end up with a car that loses oomph faster on climbs, and has less 
acceleration,acceleration. you do still win on the flat stretches though. Now 
take thge same LR off-road. the advantages of the larger tire far outweight the 
fact that the gearing is a little higher. the overall low ratio of a Series 
rover is somewhere in the 50 or 60:1 range. almost twice that of most stock 
4wd's. The same lower gearing will give the little 6x16 tire equipeed LR's more 
acceleration on the highway, and keep them form losing muster on long hills to 
a certain extent, but they will lsoe top speed because the engine will run out 
of rpms before you break 60mph (exaggerating for effect here folks).
I don't know what it was you got high-centered on, if its just dirt than you 
need to give it more right foot, if its rocks then you need to find a better 
line, stack rocks, or winch or wince your way up. If some bozo with a lifted 
jeep made it up there, than you needn't feel inferior, he HAD to lift that POS 
to even get that far.
keep it stock, and save yourself the hassle. if you want somethiung better than 
go with the parabolic springs, or put in a locker.

later
daveb 

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:17:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RE: Contradiction in terms?

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON writes:
:>High quality British steel?
:>isn't that a contradiction in terms - like -
:	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 12 lines)]
:>apologies to lawyers, judges and newts on this one folks...
:>:-)
:
:Apologies accepted. (I'm already used to this jokes)  :-]
:
:Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
:Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
:E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
:Tel: (506) 296 2743
:Fax: (506) 296 2744

 Which one are you??  A lawyer, judge or newt?

-MC

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:12:58 -0500
Subject: RE: Welding and Buying UK stuff

Frank wrote:

><< I guess you would have to re-do all the transmission systems with better
> quality materials for it to be trouble free. We'll have to live with
> Solihull quality control.
>you could just shove a Salisbury in there...

Here is a question I've been wanting to ask:

The problem I have with the 90 is that the axle is longer than Ser. ones.
Are there Salisburys made on size to fit the 90?

A Salisbury would be THE solution.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:20:13 EDT
Subject: Re: Inspection light sockets

On a series rover, the inspection light sockets allow the gifted mechanic to
say with some certainty that if the lambing lite operates correctly that both
the wiring for the light and the wiring to the inspection sockets and the
battery appears to be correct.

I'm sure that there is a dealer base price for this test. (and that it is not
inexpensive.)

Zack Arbios

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:22:44 EDT
Subject: Re: Customs questions

I've never used a Carnet myself, but I've handled tons of them.

Perhaps there's an error of some kind on it? That would cause an already
unfriendly Customs agent to be a real a$$^(*e.

Charles

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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:29:20 EDT
Subject: Re: Customs questions

In a message dated 98-09-16 12:24:12 EDT, you write:

<< I've never used a Carnet myself, but I've handled tons of them.
  >>

I'm sorry, but would you please tell me what a Carnet is?

Enzo

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:36:43 EDT
Subject: Re:  RE: Welding and Buying UK stuff

In a message dated 9/16/98 12:20:50 PM, you wrote:

<<Here is a question I've been wanting to ask:

The problem I have with the 90 is that the axle is longer than Ser. ones.
Are there Salisburys made on size to fit the 90?

A Salisbury would be THE solution.>>

It isn't as simple as changing halfshafts. You'd have to get the whole axle
casing, it contents (diff, shafts, hubs, etc.) and swap it with what's under
your 90. It can be a pain; I think you may have to get a new propshaft too, or
have yours shortened maybe.

There are people with 90s that have Salisburys, and I'm sure they know better
than I what has to be done. First off, though, you'd have to find one. I
suggest finding one that is for a 110 (as opposed to the later 109s' Salisbury
axles), as it has the Coil Spring pads, and the trailing arm/a-frame mounts
already on it. 

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:42:42 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Customs questions

In a message dated 9/16/98 12:31:58 PM, you wrote:

<<<< I've never used a Carnet myself, but I've handled tons of them.
  >>

I'm sorry, but would you please tell me what a Carnet is?>>

It is what they put below tight-rope driving cars, so they won't explode and
injure circus goers if they fall.

or

A document that basically states you are taking your car into one country from
another, for the purposes of touring, or traversing, and that the same vehicle
will be leaving that country. ie: it won't be sold or registered there. Ugly
things can happen if the car suffers a terminal breakdown in a foreign country
under carnet. It is, I believe a funny french word.

It also can allow you to tour a foreign country without posting a $$$ bond
(usually the value of the vehicle, or more.)

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:47:34 EDT
Subject: Re: Customs questions

Enzo,

It's one of those bs Customs forms, that says that you're importing something
on a temporary basis - thus you don't have to pay any duty/import
tarriffs/etc. They have to be approved by all the proper folks, have the
correct stamps, and NOT be expired, otherwise all hell breaks loose. (they're
only good for the duration of importation: this is where the problems usually
begin, as things sometimes don't arrive when they're supposed to...)

Charles

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:42:51 -0500
Subject: RE: Contradiction in terms?

> Which one are you??  A lawyer, judge or newt?
>-MC

Sorry. The lawyer.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:00:03 +0200
Subject: advice on tyres needed

I have been offered to buy a set of 4 Michelin X (7.50X16) to my 109" for a
fair price. Does anybody have experiance of these tyres? I plan to use them
bouth off-road and on-road and also during the winter. Any comments, good
or bad, will be appreciated!

Peter 
Peter Thoren 
1975 109" SIII Diesel
Member #1379 Swedish Land Rover Club
Långmyrtorp
740 20 Vänge
Sweden
phone/fax +46 18 39 20 56
peter.thoren@genetik.uu.se

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:02:14 -0500
Subject: RE: RE: Welding and Buying UK stuff

>It isn't as simple as changing halfshafts. You'd have to get the whole axle
>casing, it contents (diff, shafts, hubs, etc.) and swap it with what's
under
>your 90. It can be a pain; I think you may have to get a new propshaft too,
or
>have yours shortened maybe.
>There are people with 90s that have Salisburys, and I'm sure they know

better
>than I what has to be done. First off, though, you'd have to find one. I
>suggest finding one that is for a 110 (as opposed to the later 109s'
Salisbury
>axles), as it has the Coil Spring pads, and the trailing arm/a-frame mounts
>already on it.

Pat:
Do you have any Idea of a possible source for a Salisbury?
I think this could be a long term solution for the problem, in order to
maintain the 2WD possibility. I guess it would be cheaper than changing the
whole setup to original.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:26:09 -0700
Subject: Re: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks.

david_r._bobeck@ushmm.org wrote:
> >I have 7.50 R16's, well actually 235 85 16's which are the same. The tire
> >size however favors the highway and not the trail

	By this statement I meant gearing wise, as the height certainly is
better for off road.

> the overall low ratio of a Series
> rover is somewhere in the 50 or 60:1 range. almost twice that of most stock
> 4wd's. 

	The other stock 4wd's that I have both have much lower gearing than my
Rover, as in 3 MPH at 5000 RPM. Maybe I just got lucky in getting some
with gearing that low. While I haven't run out of gearing in my Rover
yet, I still wish low range was a tad bit lower.

> I don't know what it was you got high-centered on, if its just dirt than you
> need to give it more right foot, if its rocks then you need to find a better
> line, stack rocks, or winch or wince your way up. If some bozo with a lifted
> jeep made it up there, than you needn't feel inferior, he HAD to lift that POS
> to even get that far.

	Because of a big rock on one side, dirt hill on the other, the
steepness and narrowness of the trail, there wasn't much choice in
lines. It was a big rock that I got high centered on, and I had to stack
rocks to get as far as I did. I actually was supprised that I almost got
up, because when I first saw that part of the trail, I thought the trail
had ended.

> keep it stock, and save yourself the hassle. if you want somethiung better 
than
> go with the parabolic springs, or put in a locker.

	I don't have the money to buy springs, a locker, or a winch. I do have
tools and a desire to design and build things, sometimes for no other
reason than to say that I can. I bought some scrap metal and am
currently making a reciever hitch and extended shackles. I will
eventually have pics of these on my web page, but for now I just have
time for my Rover repairs and modifications. If any of you are worried
about me ruining my Rover, all modifications I am doing are reversable
so I can return it to stock should I want to. Thanks for your concern
though as it is better to be slow, carefull and informed than do things
in a blind haste.

Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88"
http://www.users.uswest.net/~jimfoo

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:38:29 EDT
Subject: Sterotypes

<<Women techies tend
to be more methodical, less likely to cut corners, and more engaged -
they need perhaps more time to master the black-art of the knobs and
buttons, bells and whistles, usually because they have not had the
opportunity before - but when they get there - they stay there, and are
good at it.>>

I'll relay a story that I read when visiting my parents about 2 years ago.

When Mercedes staffed the plant in AL, those applying for assembly jobs had to
take a practical test that involved some simple tasks and following
directions.  These tasks were tasks that your average shade-tree mechanic has
done many times.  Removing a wheel and putting it back on for example.

One lady, who had no mechanical experience, had to rely on the written
directions and followed them to the letter.  Out of her test group, she was
the only one hired.  Why?  The rest just did the task without paying much
attention to the directions and invariably got one or two subtasks done
incorrectly.

The lady mentioned was one that Mercedes wanted:  one that could follow
precise directions from the start.  Fits exactly what Adrian was talking about
doesn't it?

Later...
Gerry Elam
PHX AZ

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:36:59 -0500
Subject: RE: Welding and Buying UK stuff

> It's good to hear that you have a Rover and are finally enjoying it.
>ROVER ON DUDE!
>Jim Hall
>Elephant Chaser 1966 88"

Thank you, Jim. I'm allready making plans for where this rover is going to
go. There are some volcanos and lakes I want get familiar with.

Let us know how it works out with that spring setup you're building up.
 Good luck.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:43:56 -0700
Subject: Re: advice on tyres needed

Does anyone know if the Michelin X is the stock tyre for the NAS 110?  I
think it is.  If so, I'm very displeased with mine, and am in the
process of replacing them.

C

Peter Thoren wrote:

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From: Sski3@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:55:40 EDT
Subject: car show`

Hi all; Just wanted to let you know that there is a British car show this
saturday and sunday in Stowe VT. The Stowe invasion is its name,last year
there were 650 british cars on the field,50 or 60 Land Rovers. Rovers North
will be there and have an off road course set up for the newbe's. Hope to see
some of you there.

Steve F
69 SIIA 88 bug eye
PS its a good time for all.

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From: david_r._bobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 98 13:24:04 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks. 

> Cutting and welding the spring pads would not be a problem as I had 
>to do it on my Camaro when I put a Ford 9" in it. I am jist trying to 
>find the cheapest reliable way to get ground clearance.

hmmm.beginning to wonder about this guy...if you want to lift the rover you are 
going to have to do all the crap that the jeep guys do. replace the 
driveshafts...bigger tires, you are going to break axles even more...you will 
want wider tires if its up that high, so go ahead and put those big 33x 12's on 
there. thne you need a V8 to pull the tires then you need a bigger gearbox to 
handle the torque, oh yes, and don't forget torque rods for the axle wrap, and 
longer shocks, and brake lines, and you may want to truss the axle casing 
too...give it up, its not worth the trouble. Its not a camaro. Its a purpose 
built machine that given some patience and coaxing will get you just about 
anywhere you want it to go.

later
daveb

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From: david_r._bobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 98 13:28:02 -0500
Subject: unimogs/driveline twist?

 >  This ingenious design uses
 >only one u-joint per driveline and virtually eliminates driveline 
 >twist.  To accomplish this of course, the axles are fully floating 
 >with a coil spring suspension.

what the hell are you talking about? 

later

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:18:05 EDT
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks.

In a message dated 9/16/98 2:13:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
david_r._bobeck@ushmm.org writes:

<< .give it up, its not worth the trouble. Its not a camaro. Its a purpose 
 built machine that given some patience and coaxing will get you just about 
 anywhere you want it to go. >>

Or.....

Get a Chevy Blazer, lift it, big tires, Chev 350 with autobox, limited slip
rear diff, blazza, blazza, blazza AND THEN modify some sheetmetal to make it
look like a series land rover.  Probably easier in the long run.

Nate

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 08:20:49
Subject: RE: Thoughts on a Salisbury in a 90 for Luis.

	Can't believe the 90's with the v8 don't have a Salisbury differential 
or
really can't believe they wouldn't have used a diff with more reliable
axles on them.  Somewhere along the line Rover went to 24 spine axles but
don't know whether that was for the rover diff or the Salisbury or both and
whether it solved the breakage problems.
	The 109 leaf axles have different spring mounting positions so aren't
interchangeable with the 88 without welding.  Don't know if that is the
case with the 110/90's.  I would assume that the 110/90 use the same axle
locating stuff so the axles would be interchangeable but Rover has made a
liar of me before.  A logical solution would be the rear axle out of an
older 110 with drum brakes, if all the mounts match up.  Someone with
greater experience with these newfangled rovers needs to step in and bring
forth the information.  You might get on the European version of this list
as the 90's have been in service there a lot longer than in the US and some
subscribers to that list may not subscribe to this list.
	One potential problem with the Salisbury in a swap into the 88 is that 
it
has a longer nose and requires a shorter drive shaft.  This increases the
angle of the drive shaft and could cause problems with the universal joints
if the car rides higher, either through parabolic springs, longer shackles,
etc.  The extra four inches in the wheel base of the 90 over the 88 may
eliminate this possible problem, however.
	The way a rover is used drastically effects its longevity.  My 88 has 
been
relatively trouble free over the 14 years that I've owned it.  Only had one
axle break and that was the first year that I owned it.  Yes I have rebuilt
or replaced practically everything in it but that was after 20+ years and
well over 100,000 miles.  Don't know the mileage as the speedo cable was
broken when I bought it and I didn't fix it for another six years.  My
pristine 1965 109 pickup with less than 35,000 miles has also had or will
have everything replaced/rebuilt.  Strange that one would do 100,000++
miles before major overhaul and the other would have problems making it to
30,000 miles.
	Sounds like the welding is at least working in the interim.
Congratulations on finally joining the group, even if it is with an ersatz
rover.
Aloha Peter

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:30:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a Salisbury in a 90 for Luis.

Ersatz is good, Ersatz is a WWII word which denoted a replacement when the
Veritas item was unobtainium.  I admire Gutierrez for the intestinal fortitude
to go where the faint of heart won't go.  Perhaps he'll learn something to
help us all.

Zack Arbios

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From: Joseph Broach <jbroach@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:29:35 -0600
Subject: re: Sidney's stranded

>If you haven't had an answer, take a look at all ignition components. The
>symptoms you describe can be Condenser, Cap Rotor, Coil or Wires and all have
>seperately happened to me on other vehicles.

My only question w/ it being an ignition problem is: other than the coil,
how could the other components fail because of heat and then work fine
after cooling?

-joseph and sidney
Missoula, MT

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:38:57 -0700
Subject: Re: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks.

david_r._bobeck@ushmm.org wrote:
> > Cutting and welding the spring pads would not be a problem as I had
> >to do it on my Camaro when I put a Ford 9" in it. I am jist trying to
> >find the cheapest reliable way to get ground clearance.
> hmmm.beginning to wonder about this guy...if you want to lift the rover you 
are
> going to have to do all the crap that the jeep guys do. replace the
> driveshafts...bigger tires, you are going to break axles even more...you will
> want wider tires if its up that high, so go ahead and put those big 33x 12's 
on
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 14 lines)]
> built machine that given some patience and coaxing will get you just about
> anywhere you want it to go.
	You aren't reading very well. Quite a few replies back I stated that I
measured the lift a spring over would give me and decided it would be
too much. I am makeing extended shackles, which are something some
Rovers came with stock. With hours worth of pacience and coaxing, my
Rover didn't get me where I wanted to go so I am modifying it. Modifying
a Rover, what a novel idea. I bet if amphibious Rovers were never built,
and I decided to make one, someone would give me shit. If ambulances
were never made and I decided to make one, I would be "ruining" a
perfectly good Rover. The truth of the matter is that Land Rovers are
unique vehicles that were made to be easily modified, and were to meet
peoples needs. Land Rover owners are unique and may have unique needs
from their vehicles. I don't see any one telling TeriAnn that she is
"ruining" her Dormobile. She is modifying it to suit her needs as am I.
	One question on lockers. Wouldn't they add more stress to already weak
axles?

Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser "The Frankenstein Rover From Hell!!!" 1966 88" with 500"
lift. I'm putting a blown 454 in it next week

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:39:02 -0500
Subject: RE: Thoughts on a Salisbury in a 90 for Luis.

> Can't believe the 90's with the v8 don't have a Salisbury differential or
>really can't believe they wouldn't have used a diff with more reliable
>axles on them.

I guess they did, but not on the first years, as I've been told.

> Somewhere along the line Rover went to 24 spine axles but
>don't know whether that was for the rover diff or the Salisbury or both and
>whether it solved the breakage problems.

The people from the LR dealership told me that they had half-shafts for
D-90s, same lenght as mine, but with the different-splines setup. More
splines that is, don't know if 24, but it should be.

> The 109 leaf axles have different spring mounting positions so aren't
>interchangeable with the 88 without welding.  Don't know if that is the
>case with the 110/90's.  I would assume that the 110/90 use the same axle
>locating stuff so the axles would be interchangeable but Rover has made a
>liar of me before.

The 109 axles cant be used here because thei are shorter. (about 5")
What I don't know is if the 110 has diferent-stronger axle to the 90. I
guess that is the question.

>  A logical solution would be the rear axle out of an
>older 110 with drum brakes, if all the mounts match up.  Someone with
>greater experience with these newfangled rovers needs to step in and bring
>forth the information.  You might get on the European version of this list
>as the 90's have been in service there a lot longer than in the US and some
>subscribers to that list may not subscribe to this list.

I'll guess I'll try that out (the european list that is)

> Sounds like the welding is at least working in the interim.
>Congratulations on finally joining the group, even if it is with an ersatz
>rover.
>Aloha Peter

The welded shaft is holding on, at least until now. I guess that when riding
off-road with the 4WD engaged the stress it has to handle is not that great.
The problem is city-driving, but with caution it maybe can handle it too.
Time and driving will tell.
I know I bought someone else's problems, but I take it more as a challenge
than any other thing.
Thank you Peter.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:47:03 +0200
Subject: Re: advice on tyres needed

Dear Peter,

The Michelin X tyre is a good tyre - typically more expensive than the
bridgestone or b f goodrich equivalent - but well worth the money. They
also make a tyre called the 4x4 - a heavier, deeper tread, with better
snow/off road characteristics. I was lucky to find a cheap set - they
were standard on the D90's imported to Denmark, but many new owners
decide to fit soemthing else for appearances sake - my mechanic had a
set which had been used for only the import journey from the harbour to
the dealer - so I bought them cheap.

My 88" Pick up has Michelin X's and I have also had them on my Icelander
88". A nice tyre - not very "macho" - but solid and hard wearing. Good
enough for the mud in Denmark - and happy in the snow too.

Adrian Redmond

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http://www.channel6.dk/native

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:48:50 EDT
Subject: Re: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks.

In a message dated 9/16/98 2:44:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jimfoo@uswest.net
writes:

<< One question on lockers. Wouldn't they add more stress to already weak
 axles? >>

Yup.  Many folks prefer the ARB air lockers so that the driver has full
control of when they will lock and hence (hopefully) decrease the chances of
an axle breaking.

Nate

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:56:28 EDT
Subject: Re:  unimogs/driveline twist?

In a message dated 9/16/98 2:15:24 PM, you wrote:

<< >  This ingenious design uses
 >only one u-joint per driveline and virtually eliminates driveline 
 >twist.  To accomplish this of course, the axles are fully floating 
 >with a coil spring suspension.

what the hell are you talking about? >>

Maybe he's talking about "Portal Axles", which have the diff & half shafts
raised above the wheels' center, and then a reduction gear drive (usually)
down to the hubs. Gives you tons of ground to diff clearance, and your diff
pinion is close to in-line with the x-fer case output.

--pat.

ps It was seen recently in LR circles on the Ag-Rover 110.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:02:43 EDT
Subject: Re: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks.

In a message dated 9/16/98 2:44:53 PM, you wrote:

<<I don't see any one telling TeriAnn that she is
"ruining" her Dormobile. >>

It isn't a Dormobile, in the strict sense of the word. 

And, yes, I think the list has debated "doing things to Dormobiles"...

Good luck with the spring mods, I'm curious to know the results. 

--pat.

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From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@rc.gc.ca>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:12:59 -0700
Subject: Stowe

>Hi all; Just wanted to let you know that there is a British car show this
>saturday and sunday in Stowe VT. The Stowe invasion is its name,last year
>there were 650 british cars on the field,50 or 60 Land Rovers. Rovers North
>will be there and have an off road course set up for the newbe's. Hope to see
>some of you there.

Actually its called the British Invasion... :-)  (been there every year).  Last
year was a hoot with the incessent rain.  Only the LR owners seemed to have
a good time, unlike all the fancy car owners (who needed to come over to
the LR owners on the other side of the barbed wire fencing to get a tow off
the very wet grass) who didn't seem to be very waterproof.  It's an amusing
time.  The Series crowd certainly stands out from the rest of the marques!

rgds,

PS, to quote Dave Bobeck after I pointed out the BGB was down to a three 
cylinder again:, "The Big Green Beastie is running on one more cylinder than 
it did two years ago, so it has no excuse not being there".

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:06:36 -0500
Subject: RE: Thoughts on a Salisbury in a 90 for Luis.

>Ersatz is good, Ersatz is a WWII word which denoted a replacement when the
>Veritas item was unobtainium.  I admire Gutierrez for the intestinal
fortitude
>to go where the faint of heart won't go.  Perhaps he'll learn something to
>help us all.
>Zack Arbios

Life is about learning. Knowledge is adquired from every experience. You
just choose what kind of knowledge you want and you set your general path.
New experiences, good or bad, make your life richer.
I'm sure I'll be learning form all of this. I already have.
And I like talking a lot (writing for this matter!), so I'm sure I'll be
bothering all of you with every little step I take.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Mark Talbot" <rangerover@top.monad.net>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:20:25 -0400
Subject: 1st VT/NH Fall Colour Romp

I would like to announce the details for the 1st VT/NH Fall Colour Romp !

I hope that this event will be the first of many and become a permanent
fixture on the off-roading calendar in New England.

More specific details will follow, such as departure times and where to meet
etc.

Where to stay, anywhere in Brattleboro VT or Keene NH will be ideal places
to stay.

I will probably have a cook out in my yard under the trees, still working on
it on the Saturday night. It will be a bring your own food, if not I will
have to start charging, if we do this next year, we may do !!! Lets see.

I need to have firm numbers ASAP and I need to know who will be coming to
either Saturday, Sunday or both days. So e-mail me back NOW !

THE OFF-ROADING

The event will run in Vermont on Saturday, and New Hampshire on Sunday. We
are going to restrict this event to 20 vehicles each day, those that wish to
do both days will get priority.

The trails are not on the easy side, but certainly don't require winches or
lockers. They should provide a challenge to all levels. Those novices or
those that are new to off-roading the trails will provide a good challenge
to you and your vehicle and remember, there will be plenty of people to help
and guide you.

The Vermont trails are still being complied, but Chris Velardi has a few
good trails sorted and we will have hose sorted the weekend of OCT 3rd. The
New Hampshire trails are done, and consist of power line crossings, rocky
sections and green lanes.

Hopefully, both trails will provide a wonderful display of colour from the
turning of the leaves, I hope that they will still be in colour by then.

OK, sign up now !

Mark
1988 Range Rover..

Loaded up for the rough stuff

1993 Range Rover..

Plushmobile

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:16:24 EDT
Subject: RE: Welding and Buying UK stuff

In a message dated 9/16/98 1:09:58 PM, you wrote:

<<Pat:
Do you have any Idea of a possible source for a Salisbury?
I think this could be a long term solution for the problem, in order to
maintain the 2WD possibility. I guess it would be cheaper than changing the
whole setup to original.>>

Someone on the list who is in the UK could probably answer that better than I
could. I believe that the cheapest solution would be to find a Land Rover
transfer case (Ashcrofts, in the UK) and a new set of rear halfshafts. That
solution would give you permanent 4x4, and all the benefits it entails, and
save you from re-engineering a whole rear axle. (witness the recent diff-nose-
angle thread)

Second would be to locate and install a Salisbury Axle, again, maybe a UK
listmember can point you in the right direction better that I.

Third option would be the ultimate; get both the Land Rover transfer case and
a Salisbury axle. Almost bordering on overkill...

You may also inquire with the Ashcrofts about the possibility of updating your
diff sides and drive flanges to take the later 24 spline shafts.

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:22:06 EDT
Subject: Re:  RE: Welding and Buying UK stuff

In a message dated 9/16/98 1:47:13 PM, you wrote:

<<Thank you, Jim. I'm allready making plans for where this rover is going to
go. There are some volcanos and lakes I want get familiar with.>>

Ahh. In addition to the beefed up drive train, may I suggest the "Magma-Hydro
tires". They are available in limited quantities outside of Iceland. If you
are quick, RoversNorth might have a set or two left... I don't have Lanny's
number handy, but if you ask, I'm sure someone does...

--pat.

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From: "Mark Talbot" <rangerover@top.monad.net>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:34:13 -0400
Subject: Dates for VT/NH Fall Colour Romp

The dates for the Fall Colour Romp is October 10th / 11th

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:48:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Welding and Buying UK stuff 

In message <bulk.12152.19980916084140@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:

> FWIW, I have heard of *very few* 90 halfshaft failures, never seen one in
> person either. I've read a few anecdotal stories of it happening, etc., but
> most can be attributed to over-eager throttle. I've never seen a 110 lose a
> halfshaft, and have read of one CV failure (some guy at the "National"). I am
> of the opinion that 90 half shafts, and certainly Salisbury shafts, are
> stronger than what's in a series axle, but I have no proof, just opinion.

	I have seen a Disco pop 2 half shafts at different times.  Unlike the
Series break where you have multiple radial cracks with a conical break, this
was a clean break a right angle to the shaft.  By a clean break I mean:

   There was no necking of the shaft near the break
   The break was almost mirror smooth
   There were no other cracks.

	If I didn't know better, I would have thought it was a cleaving on a
crystal plane.

	But more often I've seen or heard of fron CV joints breaking (Disco
and D90).  Most of the time this is with trucks that are used heavily and
are running larger than stock tyres with major suspension modifications.

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:46:06 -0500
Subject: RE: RE: Welding and Buying UK stuff

>In a message dated 9/16/98 1:47:13 PM, you wrote:
><<Thank you, Jim. I'm allready making plans for where this rover is going

to
>go. There are some volcanos and lakes I want get familiar with.>>
>Ahh. In addition to the beefed up drive train, may I suggest the

"Magma-Hydro
>tires". They are available in limited quantities outside of Iceland. If you
>are quick, RoversNorth might have a set or two left... I don't have Lanny's
>number handy, but if you ask, I'm sure someone does...

Oh, you mean 45X15 M/H Radials? They are on RoversNorth on-line  catalogue
part #666-H2O. They sell them around here very cheap (if you want a set let
me know). I have them already. Thats why I'm breaking axles, the transition
between sticky magma and slippery water flotation is hell for the
drivetrain.
Who said Land Rovers cant go anywhere?
:-}

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: david_r._bobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 98 15:38:39 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks. 

>telling TeriAnn that she is "ruining" her Dormobile. She is modifying 
>it to suit her needs as am I.
        
        teri anne doesn't have an original dormobile. she has put a dormie roof 
        on a 109 p/u. added real dormie stiuff inside too I guess. different 
        scenario altogether. I just think the benefits you will attain by going 
        to asll this trouble will not be worth it. do make the longer shackles 
        joined in the middle like an "H", or they will rack sideways and break.
        
        >One question on lockers. Wouldn't they add more stress to already weak
.axles?

nope. saves axles actually. power is evenly split between the two instead of 
all going to one. axles often break off-raod when a wheel is in the air and 
spinning, and comes back down on a grippy surface and stops dead. Basically the 
same thing as revving the engine up and dumping the clutch...

btw, high centered? hi lift up the front and winch or drive off. you lift your 
truck by any means and you will find *somewhere* it can get stuck. 
you still have the same diff clearance, and you are going to have to modify the 
front driveshaft so that it doesn't hit the engine x-member. I don't give a 
shite what you do with your truck, just explaining why no one else bothers. 
look at all the LR's in the UK. hardly any of them are lifted except for the 
ones that DON'T go offroad. actually that's more the case here too...

later
daveb

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From: david_r._bobeck@ushmm.org
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 98 15:41:56 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks. 

<< One question on lockers. Wouldn't they add more stress to already weak
 axles? >>

>Yup.  Many folks prefer the ARB air lockers so that the driver has full 
>control of when they will lock and hence (hopefully) decrease the chances of 
>an axle breaking.

actually tihs is incorrect, other lockers, i.e. detroits, lock rights, etc., 
are always locked. they unlock when there is a need for differential action, 
i.e when there is traction. I don't know quite how limited slips work, maybe it 
is a problem with them but I doubt it. In every case it is a case of force 
being reduced on one axle and a percentage being applied to the other, so you 
never really get all the engine torque going to one halfshaft.

later
daveb

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:32:21 EDT
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks.

In a message dated 9/16/98 4:19:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
david_r._bobeck@ushmm.org writes:

<< actually tihs is incorrect, other lockers, i.e. detroits, lock rights,
etc., 
 are always locked. they unlock when there is a need for differential action, 
 i.e when there is traction. I don't know quite how limited slips work, maybe
it 
 is a problem with them but I doubt it. In every case it is a case of force 
 being reduced on one axle and a percentage being applied to the other, so you
 never really get all the engine torque going to one halfshaft. >>

Not true.  The way a diff works, the power goes to the side with less
traction, therefore less torque on the half axle with traction--as in the
wheel spin in a cross-axled situation.  If the wheel which is freely spinning
were to suddenly gain traction, then yes, the sudden application of torque
would tend towards axle breaking.  In the case of limited slip diffs, the diff
is unlocked until there is a certain rate of unequal spin between the two
sides, at which point an inertial locking pin locks both sides
together--similiar to the old positrac I believe.

Most cases of broken axles occur  in situations of traction to both wheels,
rock climbing off road, leaving from a stoplight on road where some limited
differential wheel spin may have saved the axle.  Not in mud, snow or grass
(at least in my limited experience) therefore the case of high wheel spin
followed by sudden loading doesn't seem to come into play.  Mud,snow and grass
wheel spin with sudden loading (traction) seems to be more likely to cause
differential failure (again in my limited experience).

However, YMMV
Nate

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:37:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks. 

Dave Bobeck wrote:

> >One question on lockers. Wouldn't they add more stress to already weak
> >axles?
> nope. saves axles actually. power is evenly split between the two instead of 
> all going to one. 

	Actually Dave, lockers are only used to gain traction when you think
that one wheel will have none (ie otherwise would be spinning).  So you will 
be putting the whole load on a single halfshaf.  Hence they will be more
likely to break.

> front driveshaft so that it doesn't hit the engine x-member. I don't give a 
> shite what you do with your truck, just explaining why no one else bothers. 
> look at all the LR's in the UK. hardly any of them are lifted except for the 
> ones that DON'T go offroad. actually that's more the case here too...

	It all depends upon where you drive.  Most of the rock crawling trails
in California assuem that you have a certain clearance.  When I had 29"
tyres and normal shackles, lots of rocks would hit my frame.  (Look at Dora's
tranny cross member one day--it's scary).  Changing to 32" tyres and the
military shackles in the rear almost comepletely eliminated this.   

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:42:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks. 

In message <bulk.25257.19980916131239@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:

> actually tihs is incorrect, other lockers, i.e. detroits, lock rights, etc., 
> are always locked. they unlock when there is a need for differential action, 
> i.e when there is traction. 

	Which is part of the reason why putting them on the front axle is
not recommended.

> I don't know quite how limited slips work, maybe it 
> is a problem with them but I doubt it. 

	With limited slips a clutch plate puts an artificial load on the
side that is spinning so that some force will be transferred to the other
side.  However if you completely loose traction, then that tyre will spin
and the limited slip will be like an open diff.

> In every case it is a case of force 
> being reduced on one axle and a percentage being applied to the other, so you
> never really get all the engine torque going to one halfshaft.

	With ARB air lockers all of the engine torque will go to one half
shaft if there is no traction on the other side.  ARBs are only engaged when
you want to be completely locked (ie both halfshafts turning at the same rate,
at all times)

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: Casey McMullen <st93wxta@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:39:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: RE: Welding and Buying UK stuff

According to Luis Manuel Gutierrez:
> >In a message dated 9/16/98 1:47:13 PM, you wrote:
> ><<Thank you, Jim. I'm allready making plans for where this rover is going
> to
> >go. There are some volcanos and lakes I want get familiar with.>>
> >Ahh. In addition to the beefed up drive train, may I suggest the
> "Magma-Hydro
> >tires". They are available in limited quantities outside of Iceland. If you
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)]
> Who said Land Rovers cant go anywhere?
> :-}

Would these tires help get my Rover through "Hell and High Water"?  ;-)

-Casey McMullen

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:46:59 EDT
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks.

In a message dated 9/16/98 4:43:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bens@psasolar.colltech.com writes:

<< With limited slips a clutch plate puts an artificial load on the
 side that is spinning so that some force will be transferred to the other
 side.  However if you completely loose traction, then that tyre will spin
 and the limited slip will be like an open diff.
  >>

Ben,

This isn't how the Chevy limited slip diff works.  I've had to depend on it
several times.  As spin occurs, if one lets up on the throttle (still spinning
a wheel mind you) the 2 rears will lock together and (at least seem) to spin
at the same rate-  like stepping on the locking pin on a tractor.

Nate

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:45:06 -0700
Subject: Re: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks.

david_r._bobeck@ushmm.org wrote:

>         teri anne doesn't have an original dormobile. she has put a dormie 
roof
>         on a 109 p/u. added real dormie stiuff inside too I guess. different
>         scenario altogether.
	You're right, she "ruined" a 109 p/u.
>         I just think the benefits you will attain by going
>         to asll this trouble will not be worth it.
>         do make the longer shackles joined in the middle like an "H", or they 
will 	>         rack sideways and break.
	Making shackles is hardly any trouble, for me at least. Two pieces of
metal with holes, and yes I agree the piece welded in between for
stability. The only trouble I envision is if the bolts are rusted in
place. Also gives me a good reason to replace the bushings at the same
time, and maybe try the graphite thing. Like I said, if I don't like it
, I can always change it back. I will let everyone know what I think of
them when they are built, installed, and tested, weather it be good or
bad. I'm not afraid to try and fail because the only way to truely fail
is to not try at all.
 
>         >One question on lockers. Wouldn't they add more stress to already 
weak
> .axles?
> axles often break off-raod when a wheel is in the air and
> spinning, and comes back down on a grippy surface and stops dead. Basically 
the
> same thing as revving the engine up and dumping the clutch...

	My thinking was that if a rear wheel is in the air, all the torque is
going to one axle that has traction. But then again I don't have lockers
so how should I know. I guess stronger axles is the only true solution. 
> btw, high centered? hi lift up the front and winch or drive off. 
	You would have to see the hill to understand. If I jacked up the front
or rear I would have slid down the hill as soon as the crossmember was
free. If I ever get up that way again I will have to take a picture and
put it on my page. I'm kicking myself for not having a camera with me
when I went. By the way, I have a soft top in the summer, and a truck
cab in the winter, so my center of gravity is a little lower than folks
with a full hard top. I will watch the front driveshaft and adjust the
lift if need be. I have old springs, so by lifting it I may just be
restoreing it to it's origional height for all I know. Anyone know what
that is by the way?

Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88"

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:52:21 -0700
Subject: Re: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks.

Hey, everyone should be glad I got their minds off that Clinton thing.
There hasn't been a non-Rover thread since I started this one.
Jim Hall

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:53:31 -0500
Subject: RE: Don't ruin ...

>Hey, everyone should be glad I got their minds off that Clinton thing.
>There hasn't been a non-Rover thread since I started this one.
>Jim Hall

Wait a little while. We'll get to that soon.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:06:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks. 

<< With limited slips a clutch plate puts an artificial load on the
  side that is spinning so that some force will be transferred to the other
  side.  However if you completely loose traction, then that tyre will spin
  and the limited slip will be like an open diff.
   >>

> This isn't how the Chevy limited slip diff works.  I've had to depend on it
> several times.  As spin occurs, if one lets up on the throttle (still spinnin
> a wheel mind you) the 2 rears will lock together and (at least seem) to spin
> at the same rate-  like stepping on the locking pin on a tractor.

	Interesting.   Then there are different limited slips.  All of the
ones that I looked at needed a special gear old and had clutch pads (that
wear with time).  You learn something every day.

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: Jarvis64@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:16:24 EDT
Subject: Deerslayer/ locked diffs.

Last night on my way home from a Bible study I spotted a deer in the median of
the highway.  Could tell by the glint in his eye that he was thinking about
going for it.

Doubtless, the closeness of my SIIA lights made him think I was farther off
than I was, for he went for it.  And lost.  I locked up the brakes (kind of a
miracle in and of itself) and hit him going about 40 w/ my reinforced front
bumper.  Down he went and I drifted over to the berm, thinking I felt
something dragging under Mrs. Merdle.  

Retrieved the maglite from the floor, where it had been deposited by my
precipitious braking, and I found no dead animals lurking underneath the car.
No damage done to Rover at all.

Well, when I got home I realized that some damage had been done.  Now the
Right wing matches the left--both kind of buckled back and dented in.  

But had I been driving absolutely anything else I think I would have been
waiting for a towtruck instead of driving home.

P.S.  LOCKED DIFFS--Dave, I think you're wrong, b/c if one of my rear wheels
is in the air, one of my front wheels is in the air, and I only have a rear
locker, then all the engine torque only can place stress on the only halfshaft
that's resisting it at all, i.e. the one rear side that has a tire firmly
planted.  So I think all the torque CAN go to one halfshaft w/ lockers.  But I
agree that it's still probably not as bad as the sudden shock stress applied
to a spinning, unlocked halfshaft which suddenly gains traction.

Bill Rice
Columbus GA, (now w/ one fewer deer)

P.P.S.  For those of you who think it should be "one less deer" you're wrong,
although "one fewer" certainly sounds weird here.

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:19:07 -0500
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Don't ruin your -lockers-

><< One question on lockers. Wouldn't they add more stress to already weak
> axles? >>
>>Yup.  Many folks prefer the ARB air lockers so that the driver has full
>>control of when they will lock and hence (hopefully) decrease the chances

of
>>an axle breaking.
>actually tihs is incorrect, other lockers, i.e. detroits, lock rights,
etc.,
>are always locked. they unlock when there is a need for differential
action,
>i.e when there is traction.

I've never had lockers, but this sounds wrong. Diferential action is needed
almost all the time during city-driving (cornering, u-turns, etc.) so its
need is almost constant. If it was always locked it would be disengageing
all the time. It would get free when traction is lost, and their purpose is
the contrary. How would the differential distinguish between normal and
abnormal diferential action?

Example: Normal situation (locked) - begining of one wheel spin, could be
normal differential action (unlocked) - continue one wheel spin (oh no! time
to act again, Locked again) - traction to the non-spining wheel.

It sound too complicated to be merely mechanical action.

The other day I was driving with a friend of mine in a Toyota LC with a
locker in the rear. He was reversing to get parked and there was a little
mud on the road side. One tire fell in the mud, it spinned and BAM!, the
diferential locked grabbing the ground strongly; I almost ended on the hood
through the windshield. I guess they DO put a little stress on the axles.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:30:17 -0700
Subject: Re: Don't ruin your -lockers-

Luis Manuel Gutierrez wrote:
> ><< One question on lockers. Wouldn't they add more stress to already weak
> > axles? >>

> >actually tihs is incorrect, other lockers, i.e. detroits, lock rights,
> etc.,
> >are always locked. they unlock when there is a need for differential
> action,
> >i.e when there is traction.
> I've never had lockers, but this sounds wrong. Diferential action is needed
> almost all the time during city-driving (cornering, u-turns, etc.) so its
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
> the contrary. How would the differential distinguish between normal and
> abnormal diferential action?
	There is a difference between differential action and differential
action with a lot of torque applied. These differentials sense the
ammount of wheel slip and applied torque. If you coast around a corner,
you have slip. If you floor the accelerator around the same corner, both
rear axles get locked together. It isn't as complicated as it sounds.
Jim Hall

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From: Jpslotus27@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:53:15 EDT
Subject: Modifying Rovers

     I say go for the spring over if you like.  You can always undo it if it
is no good.  Do not listen to people who tell you something cannot be done.
They may be right in that it cannot be done in a certain way, but only you
know the results you wish to achieve.  Try it, change it, try it again, change
it again, on and on and on.  What about moving the spring mounts out on custom
made out-riggers?  What about 2 quarter-eliptical springs at each corner
rather that 1 semi-eliptcal at each corner?  Howabout transverse springs as
helpers?  For everything I mention, there could be dozens of postings saying
why it could not be done.  Read these postings, then do it your own way.
Remeber when the raised-nose F1 car came out about 10 years ago?   It was
ridiculed.  Called ugly (it is hideously ugly, too).  Was not competetive.
But you know what?  Look at an F1 grid today and what do you see?  
    Jim knows that his Rover is not a Camaro.  Lets give him our ideas, not a
hard time.

Enzo

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:54:44 EDT
Subject: Re: Inspection light sockets

In a message dated 16/09/98 09:53:31 BST, you write:

<< hose items which would be lightly loaded.Heavy duty stuff would be
 straight wire.Farmers understand wire.Its what keeps 't cows in 't
 field,and could, moreover,be repaired with the rusty bits which were
 too small to use for anything else.
 What a concept! Conservation,re-use of materials,saving the very steel
 that caused the birth of the vehicle.Are we not indeed lucky to possess
 such a versatile machine! >>
you need professional help Mike 

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:54:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Stereotypes (was fusing concepts) no LR cont

In the UK we have to fill in a voting registration card, for each home.
I always put my wife's name first (she pays the tax after all) and they always
write to me........
Dunno how many people do like we do. but I get a copy of the electoral roll at
my newspaper (place of work) and everyone I've checked has the man first......
these people live in a time warp...

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:54:49 EDT
Subject: Re: Erroneous fusing concepts

In a message dated 16/09/98 10:40:46 BST, you write:

<< "Manchester screws" (six inch nails - soory Frank!) i >>
no need to apologise. Manchester is another world to us Lancashire
Hillbillies....

Mind you I once went out with a girl from t'big City. She was a very nice
Manchester Sc.........

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:54:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Welding and Buying UK stuff

In a message dated 16/09/98 17:20:50 BST, you write:

<< Are there Salisburys made on size to fit the 90? >>
The 110 CSW (just like mine!) had/have Salisbury's fitted as standard (just
like mine) so straight swap on the Ninety.

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:54:55 EDT
Subject: Re: Stereotypes (was fusing concepts) no LR cont

In a message dated 16/09/98 15:38:19 BST, you write:

<< Some people tell you to think outside the box.  I try to live outside the
box,
 as well. >>
ever noticed how boring 'ordinary' people are, and how interesting so-called
'eccentrics' weirdos etc can be??
And those of us forced into some modicum of 'normality' still manage to get
something extra out of life, like owning a LR, reading poetry etc etc??

Vive la difference!!

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110 CSW
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:06:38 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re[2]: Don't ruin your rover with J**p tricks.

In a message dated 9/16/98 4:19:38 PM, you wrote:

<<>Yup.  Many folks prefer the ARB air lockers so that the driver has full 
>control of when they will lock and hence (hopefully) decrease the chances of 
>an axle breaking.
actually tihs is incorrect, other lockers, i.e. detroits, lock rights, etc., 
are always locked. they unlock when there is a need for differential action, 
i.e when there is traction. I don't know quite how limited slips work, maybe
it 
is a problem with them but I doubt it. In every case it is a case of force 
being reduced on one axle and a percentage being applied to the other, so you 
never really get all the engine torque going to one halfshaft.>>

Sure you can get all the torque going to one wheel per axle. They're locked,
right. Now you crawl up a hill and get cross axled, one wheel goes up in the
air, now all the torque for that axle is going to one wheel, and yes, it can
break...

Some limited slips work with clutch/friction discs in there, and they need
special lube oil, and others work by using worm gears between the two
halfshafts. You can use a worm gear to move a rack, or straight gear, but if
you try the other way around, it binds, so if you are applying power through
that kind of lsdiff, it works (moves, allows differential speeds), but if a
wheel rises in the air, all you have to do is slow it down if it isn't already
moving slowly and the worm gears will bind; some people tap on the brakes to
lock their diffs, and that's why.

I know there's more to all of this... there always is...

--pat. 

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:15:00 EDT
Subject: Re:  limited slips.

In a message dated 9/16/98 5:09:08 PM, Nate & Ben wrote:

<<> This isn't how the Chevy limited slip diff works.  I've had to depend on
it
> several times.  As spin occurs, if one lets up on the throttle (still
spinnin
> a wheel mind you) the 2 rears will lock together and (at least seem) to spin
> at the same rate-  like stepping on the locking pin on a tractor.
	
	Interesting.   Then there are different limited slips.  All of the
ones that I looked at needed a special gear old and had clutch pads (that
wear with time).  You learn something every day.>>

The Audi Quattro has a Torsen in the center, and it is a purely-geared limited
slip. I believe that Quaiffe has both geared and clutched limited slips. The
Tru-Trak is also made with gears in it.

The other kind of locker that wasn;t mentioned is a Lincoln Locker, named
after the welder, not the president, or the pennies dropped in the axle case.

--pat.

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From: Matthew James Moore <mjm@unr.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:28:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Lockers.

To all from an ex-jeeper,

Open diff:  Allows one wheel to travel faster than the other when turning
a corner.  Also allows the wheel with no traction to spin wildly while the
wheel with traction just sits there.  When turning a corner the inside
wheel recieves most of the tourqe.  The outside wheel turns faster in
order to make up for the extra difference.

Automatic Locking diff:  (i.e. detroit, lockright etc...)  Allows one
wheel to travel slower than the other wheel (differential action) through
a ratcheting mechanism.  Will not allow the wheel with no traction to spin
alone (faster than the other wheel).

Limited slip:  Allows a limited amount of open differential action (one
wheel faster than the other).  This is limited by clutch plates or gears
(detroit true-trac).  This works much like the torque converter in an
automatic transmition (it is not based on a viscous fluid though).  It
will allow slip up to a certain point and then will allow a lot less slip.

ARB style locker:  Off: full diff action (one wheel faster than the other)
ON:  No diff action at all.

Also: 
Spool:  replace spider gears with a solid unit: no diff action
Lincoln locker:  Weld spider dears together: no diff action

Matt Moore
Ser III Santana 88'
'92 Range Rover

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:28:51 -0700
Subject: Re: Modifying Rovers

Jpslotus27@aol.com wrote:
>      I say go for the spring over if you like.  You can always undo it if it
> is no good.  Do not listen to people who tell you something cannot be done.
> They may be right in that it cannot be done in a certain way, but only you
> know the results you wish to achieve.  Try it, change it, try it again, change
> it again, on and on and on.  
>     Jim knows that his Rover is not a Camaro.  Lets give him our ideas, not a
> hard time.
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> hard time.
> Enzo
	Thank you. That's all I really wanted, facts and experiences, and not
necessarily opinions, although they too have some merit. Each person
likes their car a certain way weather it be totally origional or hardly
recognisable for what it is. To each, his own.
Jim Hall

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:41:32 +0200
Subject: Re: Erroneous fusing concepts

Frankelson@aol.com wrote:
 Mind you I once went out with a girl from t'big City. She was a very
nice Manchester Sc.........

At the risk of Levinskying this list... I thought Lancashire gals were
tough as nails?

Adrian Redmond

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:56:23 +0200
Subject: Namaes (was Stereotypes) (was fusing concepts) no LR cont

I think that this may be a peculiarly British phenomena Frank - I am
married to a Danish girl, and in keeping with practice over here, she
has her surname, I have mine - but when it's her birthday, my family in
England will often address her Birthday card to "Mrs. Adrian Redmond" or
"Mrs. Hanne Redmond"

In England we say "Mrs & Mrs" or "John and Betty" - in Denmark they say
"Hr. & Fru" but if they use christian names, its Betty and John - the
woman's name first.

These mixed name marriages often mean that the children get both of
their parents name - no real rule as to the order, usually whatever
sounds best phonetically. Of course when they get married to toehrs who
have both their parents name, it becomes complicated...

The Icelanders have the right idea - to take Icelandic citizenship, a
foreigner must relinquish their own surname, and take the name of their
fathers christian name as surname - adding -son or -duaghter. So I am
called Redmond, my father was Charles - so if I became an Icelander, I
would be Carlsson - if I were female - I would be Carlsdottir.
Incredibly simple, incredibly confusing. Tracking people down using the
phone book is immposible - unless you know their fathers christian name.

So your son, instead of being just another Elson, would be Frankson...

In the uK, you can name a child almost anything. I went to boarding
school with a kid from British Ghana called "Christmas Tree". Here in
denmark you must choose an "Approved name" - the idea is to protect
children from being called silly or hurtful names - to use a
non-approved name (as in the case of foreigners, you must demonstrate a
family or cultural tie to that name. Certain surnames of the doubled
barrelled variety are so called "protected names" and may only be used
as middle names if the owner of that name - the family approves it. OK,
you cant't have a protected surname as your middle name (second surname)
but you could, in some cases have it as your middle name (second
christian name) but without hyphenation.

And they say the common market is complicated?

On the subject of the common market, I once saw a television programme
about EU bureaucracy which included the following title sequence...

1. The ten commandments - 107 words
2. Jydske Lov (an old Danish law - like the Magna carta) - 850 words
3. European Union Directorate of Agriculture final directive for the
transport by road of duck eggs - 87,345 words

I am not sure of the actual figures, but you get my point? Nothing to do
with rovers or names but...

I think SI, SII, SIIA, SIII is much easer (LR content)

:-)

Adrian Redmond

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 18:57:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Capstan winch parts

<< Do you still have the phone number for Superwinch in Tavistock? 
Thanks. >>

 Here are their details:
 Superwinch Ltd                               Superwinch Ltd
 Abbey Rise,                                  Winch Road,
 Whitchurch Road                              Putnam
 Tavistock                                    Connecticut 06260
 Devon                                        USA 
 PL19 9DR                                       
 England
 
 Tel:(01822) 614101                           Tel:(203) 928 7787
 Fax:(01822) 615204                           Fax:(203) 928 1143.
 
 For Series vehicles the Winch Kit is the 5300. (The winch itself is 
the Capstan Winch 5244)
 
 For 90/110 vehicles the kit is 6781 for 4 cyl & 6790 for the V8.(The 
winch is also the Capstan Winch 5244)
 
 Hope this helps!

Paul

 Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:32

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:00:45 EDT
Subject: Re:  Namaes (was Stereotypes) (was fusing concepts) no LR cont

In a message dated 9/16/98 6:57:15 PM, you wrote:

<<In England we say "Mrs & Mrs" or "John and Betty">>

Yes, but only if "John" isn't a true man... wot was that about Rovers, bridges
and new dresses?

--"pat"

*for those who never saw the Saturday Night Live shows on US "TV", "pat" was
an asexual/androgynous character... not that I'm allying myself, but in the
spirit of the thread, I thought I'd point it out...

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:08:19
Subject: Re: Lockers, broken axles, and other stuff.

	I have had two axles break in my many years and miles of rover 
ownership.
Both were while gently backing out of the garage and happened early in my
owner ship of the beasts.  From this I can only conclude, "axles don't like
to go backward gently," so have avoided doing that.  I only back up by
revving engine to 4,000 rpm and dumping the clutch.  Seriously, the axles
usually break because of cumulative stresses.  I'm sure there is someone
out there who has a broken a brand new axle by a specific case of abuse but
that is the exception.  The axles are strong enough for most uses over long
periods of time.  If you seriously challenge your axles, change them
regularly, like once a year or season.  You can also inspect them looking
for twisting of the axle.  Don't know how you could accurately measure
unless you painted a line on the axle shaft before installation.  In any
case, its a hell of a lot easier to remove an unbroken axle than a busted
one.  If you recently purchased your rover, change the axles now.  You have
no idea what SPOT has been done to the truck.  If you rock climb or other
off road ventures where traction can be very good, but not always, change
them regularly.  If you use your vehicle off road but without a lot of
spinning and hook-up of the tires, drive with the sublime knowledge that
Nigel is waiting for you. 
	In my limited poll about locking differentials, the axles supposedly 
break
less often with lockers.  The theory is that they do not get an opportunity
to wind up and apply unusual torque to the axle.  I'm sure its the windup
and sudden stop that stresses the axles beyond their design limits.  With
the locker, both tires are spinning no faster than the one with the most
traction.  A single axle will take the load of driving the car, without
undue stress, if it does not spin madly and then hook up solidly.  Lockers
are indispensable when you get one front and one rear wheel off the ground.
 You are going nowhere without a push while a locker equipped car takes the
terrain like it was a freeway.  Of course there is the other train of
thought that says all these off road devices only allow you to get stuck in
the MOST inaccessible areas.  There is a valley called Waipio (the scene at
the end of 'water world') here on the Big Island where the tow trucks won't
come to help you out without $500, in cash, up front.

Aloha Peter

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that VW offered a turbo or no turbo version of their cars.....

Just curious.....

Thanks,

Peter Rosvall
rosvall@nbnet.nb.ca

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From: Paul Lonsdale <Lonsdale@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:15:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Stereotypes (was fusing concepts) no

<< I always put my wife's name first (she pays the tax after all) and 
they always
write to me........ >>

 This would not have anything to do with the theory that they choose 
the first name for Jury service would it....?
 
 Paul (Second name on the electoral roll, because M comes before P Yer 
Honour, honest)

 Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:31

 Ex- H.M. Coastguard Series III 88 Inch
 "Dougal Mc Landie"  B 895 OJT
 

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:18:54 EDT
Subject: Re: Lockers, broken axles, and other stuff.

In a message dated 9/16/98 7:08:56 PM, you wrote:

<<There is a valley called Waipio (the scene at
the end of 'water world') here on the Big Island where the tow trucks won't
come to help you out without $500, in cash, up front.>>

If they can go up to where a 4x4 got stuck, and pull you out, maybe they have
a pretty good truck, no? What kind of set up do they have? $500 is plenty to
add to the shame of the stuck... and to be pulled out by a "tow-truck". What
I'm getting at is, if the tow trucks get to you, don't get stuck and pull you
(not, *you*, Peter, but the figurative you) out, then maybe they ought to just
go offroading in towtrucks, that way, everyone can pul everyone else out, More
cheapah, braddah!

--pat.

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:14:45 -0500
Subject: RE: Namaes (was Stereotypes) (was fusing concepts) no LR cont

...
>These mixed name marriages often mean that the children get both of
>their parents name - no real rule as to the order, usually whatever
>sounds best phonetically. Of course when they get married to toehrs who
>have both their parents name, it becomes complicated...
...

The latin (spanish?) method is quite simple, and quite responsive to a
sexist culture. You get always two last names: One from your father (the
first one), one from your mother (the second one). First and middle names
are your election. But there is no choice to it, other than first and
middle, you get the other ones by default by the Register.

Abuse is always present in any country with the names. I know of a kid who
lived near Port of Limon named "Usnavy". I've met 2 girls named "Lesbiana"
(exact spanish for lesbian). The ones who have gained some control over this
kinds of names are the catholic priests, who wont allow any obscure or
degrading name for kids at their bapthism (is that the right word?). 90% of
the population here is catholic, so there is always  some room for funny
names to slip by.

Sorry, absolutely no LR content. :-)

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:24:26
Subject: Re: Turbo Diesel

	I heard that Volkswagen made something like 50 internal changes to the
Rabbit/Golf turbo diesel to make it reliable.  From what I hear they had
limited success even with all those changes that included spraying the
piston skirts with oil for cooling.  Proceed at your own risk.  Probably
cheaper in the long run to find a used turbo diesel of a suitable weight
and install rather than cobble up the rover.  The rover diesel has not been
noted for a super long life in its normally aspirated state.
Aloha Peter

At 08:13 PM 9/16/98 -0300, you wrote:

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:35:54 EDT
Subject: Re: unimogs/driveline twist?

yes he was talking about Unimogs, he has at least one, and several Rovers.

A little madness now and then....

Zack Arbios
Barking

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:37:19
Subject: Re: Lockers, broken axles, and other stuff.

	It has something to do with the length of their cable.  The tow trucks 
are
four wheel drive though the ground clearance is not a whole hell of a lot.
Some of the roads in the valley are actually streams that you follow for a
while but there always floods.  As the guy from Wisconsin says, 4wd just
allows you to get stuck in more remote places.  They may just pull the
people out in an outrigger canoe and wait for the floods to subside to pull
the vehicles out.  It is good brown fresh water run off which shouldn't do
any lasting damage to a serious 4x4.  In a diesel rover with a snorkel, you
just turn on the heater, put on your scuba gear and wait out the rain.
Aloha Peter

>If they can go up to where a 4x4 got stuck, and pull you out, maybe they have
>a pretty good truck, no? What kind of set up do they have? $500 is plenty to
>add to the shame of the stuck... and to be pulled out by a "tow-truck". What
>I'm getting at is, if the tow trucks get to you, don't get stuck and pull you
>(not, *you*, Peter, but the figurative you) out, then maybe they ought to
just
>go offroading in towtrucks, that way, everyone can pul everyone else out,
More

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:40:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Welding and Buying UK stuff

Just curious Ben, the clean break?  Straight across except for a small tag at
one side?  I'm just remembering some other equipment failures I've had the
fortune to see.

Zack Arbios

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:50:44 +0100
Subject: RE: Lockers, broken axles, and other stuff.

> You can also inspect them looking
> for twisting of the axle.  Don't know how you could accurately measure
> unless you painted a line on the axle shaft before installation. 

If you live near any aerospace/acoustic/mechanical engineering school,
become friends with the materials or whatever professor
and let your rover axles be a lesson for the class in fault detection.
You'll get a free ultrsonic image of your "baby"'s axles, and who
knows... maybe you'll have taught some student a lesson that 
they remember one day after getting a job with the FAA, and 
they'll think twice about sending that 767 out...

See... just think about all the lives you've saved just by performing
a little preventive maintenance on an antique car...

-Scott

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:02:43 +0100
Subject: RE: Lockers.

> Lincoln locker:  Weld spider dears together: no diff action

Tried this in the front... works great... except that it really 
happened when I got stuck in 4WD one weekend. Since 
I've only had my rover for a few months, I never really got 
around to finding the diff gear oil filler hole thing... I mean, 
I'm sure the PO completely lubed it up before I bought it 
right? apparently, the 500 mile drive home at 75 mph 
was just enough to sieze everything up real well... 

Haven't gotten stuck off road yet since then... 

-Scott
 74 SIII 88"

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:50:01 EDT
Subject: Re:  RE: Lockers.

In a message dated 9/16/98 8:10:17 PM, you wrote:

<<> Lincoln locker:  Weld spider dears together: no diff action
Tried this in the front... works great... except that it really 
happened when I got stuck in 4WD one weekend. Since 
I've only had my rover for a few months, I never really got 
around to finding the diff gear oil filler hole thing... I mean, 
I'm sure the PO completely lubed it up before I bought it 
right? apparently, the 500 mile drive home at 75 mph 
was just enough to sieze everything up real well... 

Haven't gotten stuck off road yet since then...>>

What's it like *turning* on asphalt? Your tyres must get scuffed up, no?

Must be strange having it on the front axle...

-pat.

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From: William Leacock <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:56:03 -0400
Subject: Aston Martin

PS: Sorry for the Non-Rover related material , but it is a British car...

 Aston MArtin Lagonda  is owned by the FORD motor company, what is British
about that ?
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:08:46 +0100
Subject: RE: RE: Lockers.

> What's it like *turning* on asphalt? Your tyres must get scuffed up, no>

Nahhh... open up the hubs on asphalt...

> Must be strange having it on the front axle...

Front axle's not bad... who needs a diff there, anyway? you only are using
it off road anyway, right? in mud, on dirt... forget rocks... they're no fun,
anyway.

-Scott

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:04:07 EDT
Subject: Re:  Aston Martin

In a message dated 9/16/98 8:56:19 PM, you wrote:

<<Lagonda>>

Anyone know the origin of this name?

Just curious if it goes back to Springfield, Ohio & an american indian word
for "deer". 

--pat.

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 98 18:16:15 -0700
Subject: RE: TeriAnn ruining her Dormobile

><<I don't see any one telling TeriAnn that she is
>"ruining" her Dormobile. >>

The Green Rover came from the factory as a 109 pickup.  When I purchased 
her, she was completely worn out, a number of parts were missing, a few 
parts such as the transfer case, rear diff and exhaust were completly 
broken, and what was left was all loose and badly worn.  Also back in 
'78, Rovers were worth very little.  I knew I payed way too much for the 
car, considering her condition when I parted with $350.  But I knew that 
this was a car that needed some love.

A few years ago I decided I wanted to convert her to a long range 
expedition car.  I made a Dormobile based conversion installing a 
complete Dormobile kit, including the Martin Walter's serial number plate 
from a wrecked factory Dormobile.  People seem to count my expedition rig 
as a Dormobile because it has the complete kit that would have been 
installed at the Martin Walters factory including an issued serial 
number.  Please never confuse my Dormobile conversion with a factory 
Dormobile conversion.  By the way, Martin Walters sold several Dormobile 
kits for dealers and other comnpanies o install in other countries.  Mine 
would be the equivlent of an aftermarket instillation.

I think one of the reasons that people don't complain about my conversion 
is that so far all the parts I have used are Land Rover or Martin Walters 
parts (except for the cabinets that I have built myself).  So far I have 
worked hard to keep my Land Rover constructed of Land Rover parts.  
Having parts from newer 109s, 110 High capacity pickup, 109 stationwagon, 
and several military options, I obviously have not paid a lot of 
attention as to which Land Rover parts book the oart came out of.  But 
they are Land ROver parts installed (mostly) as the factory would have 
installed them.

WHo knows though.  When I finally decide which engine and transmission to 
install to replace the series III engine and late IIA gearbox that 
replaced the series II engine and gearbox, people just might scream a 
whole lot.  Esp if I go got a Nissan 6 cyl diesel and 5 speed gear box 
coupled to a LR transfer case.  But then, aren't some Australian Land 
Rovers built with Nissan engines????

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:25:21 EDT
Subject: RE: TeriAnn ruining her Dormobile

In a message dated 9/16/98 9:14:41 PM, you wrote:

<<When I finally decide which engine and transmission to 
install to replace the series III engine and late IIA gearbox that 
replaced the series II engine and gearbox, people just might scream a 
whole lot.  Esp if I go got a Nissan 6 cyl diesel and 5 speed gear box 
coupled to a LR transfer case.  But then, aren't some Australian Land 
Rovers built with Nissan engines????>>

No worries. Land Rovers have left the *factory* with German engines (BMW) and
Italian engines (VM). I think the Aussie Perenties had Isuzu 3.9's that were
installed down there, although, it seems that if enough of a type will be
built, the factory will put whoever's engine into the vehicle. Just curious,
but why wouldn't you replace the LR transfer case as well? It isn't like
you're losing permanent 4wd capability; I just don't know Nissan stuff very
well, despite having a sister who drove one a while back.

Today, I think there are very good "in house" engines to choose from (cost &
availablity here, aside), from LR. The near future should bring forth more
powerplants from the factory, but it remains to be seen how they do; and
importantly to us on this list, if they retain the ties to the Series/Defender
vehicles in that most everything they have offered until today is retro-
fittable to some extent.

--pat.

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From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:41:49 -0400
Subject: "British Car" LR fact & fiction

The October-November issue of "British Car" magazine has a feature
article on LRs. Not particularly informative but generally okay. LR's
are also featured in their Buyers Guide. It includes some interesting
"facts" such as: "the longer wheelbase chassis were put on some of the
last 1957 Series I Rovers when they ran out of old frames." Peter Petrov
of Peter's Marina Motors is quoted as warning of rusty frames and
"Believe it or not, new frames are available but the cost of installing
one, or the thought of doing this at home in the garage, is enough to
make a strong man faint." Anyone fainted recently

Values are claimed to be more a function of condition, etc. than yars
and body styles. Fair enough, but then Petrov is quoted: "accesories
like an overdrive, the two-layer Safari top, Safari bonnet with spare
tire mount, and winch system can add over $4,000 to an identical car
without them. The most valuable and desired version would be the late
Series IIA, 5-door, 109 Safari that has the better brakes but retains
the full metal construction." What LRs without full metal construction
is he refering to?

A table of values is given ranging from $4,000 for a "project car with
all components and most details inctac, limited rust or structural
damage, but needing extensive restoration before being usable." to
$21,000 for fully resored arward winning car not driven since
restoration. I mention these prices since someone is sure to seize on
them as authoratative, not because they really mean anything.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:54:15 EDT
Subject: Re:  "British Car" LR fact & fiction

In a message dated 9/16/98 9:43:35 PM, you wrote:

<<Peter Petrov
of Peter's Marina Motors is quoted as warning of rusty frames and
"Believe it or not, new frames are available but the cost of installing
one, or the thought of doing this at home in the garage, is enough to
make a strong man faint." Anyone fainted recently>>

Yeah, *his* customers when faced with a rebody job on a crunched long nose D-
type jag, or a replacement chassis for a Maseratti Birdcage... or a new fender
for a Bugatti Atlantic, etc.

Sheesh. Some people have it all wrong.

--pat.

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 21:32:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Welding and Buying UK stuff 

In message <bulk.6200.19980916164141@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:

> Just curious Ben, the clean break?  Straight across except for a small tag at
> one side?  I'm just remembering some other equipment failures I've had the
> fortune to see.

	(This is from memory because I was helping a friend).   I recall 
being suprized that is was a completely clean break.   No small tag.  

Ben

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From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (John & Sandy Cooper)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:45:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Engine and gearbox ect...

I`ve been off the list for about a year now and need some advice.  My old 69
11a is, i fear, in need of a complete engine and gearbox overhaul.  The
question is: should I order a complete engineand gearbox or rebuild the ol
faithful that has been plugging for 30 years now?  I know that the clutch
also needs attention.  Can a person, with the use of local shops, and
"genuine parts" do a top quality job that will last as long as the original
one has?  

Any comments will be welcome.    Cheers, John Cooper (owned 22 years and
counting)

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:53:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Nevada Trophy '98

 LROA is once again presenting the enormously popular
   
         "Nevada Trophy '98" on December 4-6, 1998
         starting from the Best Western in Fernley, Nevada

 Dec 4:  12 hours of chasing GPS waypoints or landmarks across
         Northern Nevada in teams of 2 vehicles.  Use your GPS,
         compass, maps, CB radio, and navigational skills.
 Dec 5:  Perform Camel Trophy type special tasks of skill driving,
         relays and teamsmanship.  Later, another 12 hour session
         of chasing GPS waypoints or landmarks.
 Dec 6:  Breakfast and trophy awards.

 Entry fee:  $225, after Nov 1 $275
 
 Application and information:

         Mike Green, Secretary LROA and Event Coordinator
         <racerman21@yahoo.com>  Tel 925-606-8301

         Michael Carradine, President LROA
         <cs@landrover.net>  Tel/Fax 925-988-0900

         LROA Nevada Trophy
         PO Box 430, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

         

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:03:56 +0100
Subject: RE: Engine and gearbox ect...

> The
> question is: should I order a complete engineand gearbox or rebuild the ol
> faithful that has been plugging for 30 years now? 

I say go for the rebuild if you've got some time to spare, some space in 
your driveway, and a couple of friends as moral supprt and someone 
to drink beer with after a long day of knuckle bashing... (And this isn't
your only transportation)

Not only should it last as long as the original, but you'll know what's
what and how everything fits together by the time it's all over with...
of course, if you've had it for 22 years, I can't imagine you not 
already knowing a little of that... 

Most important are the friends... The few that I have all think I'm 
crazy for getting such an 'unreliable' car, so I just read my new
copy of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintnance for my moral
support... 

-Scott

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:51:35
Subject: Re: "British Car" LR fact & fiction

The full metal car referred to is the all metal dash and grill on the 2a,
not the interior plastic and plastic grill as found on the series III.  

The 'corn flake' is actually asking something like $37,000 for a restored
109 (see the Land Rover Exchange).  Don't know why he hasn't snapped up all
the $21,000 rovers so he can corner the market and pocket the $16,000 profit.

Aloha Peter

The most valuable and desired version would be the late
>Series IIA, 5-door, 109 Safari that has the better brakes but retains
>the full metal construction." What LRs without full metal construction
>is he refering to?
>A table of values is given ranging from $4,000 for a "project car with
>all components and most details inctac, limited rust or structural
>damage, but needing extensive restoration before being usable." to
>$21,000 for fully resored arward winning car not driven since
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>Regards,
>David Cockey

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:16:40
Subject: Re: Engine and gearbox ect...

	Rebuilding the engine is a no brainer except for getting the timing and
distributor drive on right.  If you take it easy and carefully follow the
factory manual, haynes or autobook manuals or, better yet, all three the
reassembly is easy.  I did mine completely, then got nervous, took it apart
and hired a mechanic to reassemble it.  I looked over his shoulder and
found that I'd done everything right.  Ask a buch of mechanics for the best
machine shop and then trust their reccomendations.  For planning purposes,
you will need to bore the block so will need new pistons and rings, lifters
should be replaced and I would use the 2.5 cam.  The machine shop will
handle the bore, decking the engine, grinding the crank, if necessary,
installing the new valves and seats, etc.  You might have them mill the
head to get compression up to at least 9-1 if you are looking for more
power.  The clutch is a must to change and you will probably need to have
the fly wheel ground.  Your friendly machine shop will give you direction
on this.  Even with the cost of the mechanic to do the assembly, my rebuild
came to well under $2,000.  A lot less than a Turner.   
	I'm about to tackle the transmission but most people say to leave it for
the professional.  Will have more information when I get my spare torn
apart.  There are some cheap rebuilt series III transmissions available
from England right now.  The British army surplused all their series III's
and spares so there are a lot of rebuilt transmissions floating around.
For that matter there are probably a lot of 2.25l engines also out there.
Pick up a LROI to find possible suppliers.
	Have fun and don't expect to get it back together in a week.  Mine only
took me three years.
Aloha Peter

 
At 08:45 PM 9/16/98 -0700, you wrote:

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From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:46:33 +0100
Subject: Beginning of the end for LR??

Got the new issue of LROi today, and in the editorial at the front Carl
Rogerson points out that 

"The Defender won't stand still, though, and next month it gets the 5-cyl
diesel Storm engine, before being given a final make-over to reduce
production costs and the time needed to build it. At this point production
will be switched to South Africa"

WHAAAAT!!!????...... The last REAL Land Rover model and it won't be built
in Britain - it's sacriledge (can't spell at the mo, I'm too furious).

On the same page he points out that one of the reasons that the Freelander
has proven adequate for the latest Camel trophy is that there's been a
change in emphasis away from the extreme off-roading of previous trophies
towards kayaking, skiing and MOUNTAIN BIKING!!. 

Guess what will be replacing the Defender on the Solihull production lines???

Bloody BMW!!!

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
*******************************
Big Bad n' Blue

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From: "A.G.Dolsa" <dolsa@emporion.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:21:47 +0200
Subject: Re:Zenith Carb

First:
Unscrew the two screws that hold   the  carburetor
Second
Draw the carburetor. Put to her a blue loop and give it to an enemy
Third
Buy an Weber 34 and install this carburetor
Fourth
To squeeze screws
Fifth
Don't worry, be happy 

              ===============   Alfons G. Dolsa
             //  ||--------||   Entomologist
            //   ||        ||   Museum of Butterflies of Catalonia
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  |_____  |      |   _____  |#| http://emporion.net/landrover.htm
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From: "A.G.Dolsa" <dolsa@emporion.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:21:44 +0200

Felicidades a los mexicanos que lograron escapar del dominio de la Corona de
Castilla

Happiness to the Mexicans that achieved to escape of the dominance of the
Castille

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 09:47:07 +0000
Subject: Re: Inspection light sockets

 that caused the birth of the vehicle.Are we not indeed lucky to possess
> such a versatile machine! >>
>you need professional help Mike
Cant afford it mate.And the NHS isnt that hot either.
Anyway,why? It wor spelt orl rite wannit?

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 04:58:52 EDT
Subject: Re: "British Car" LR fact & fiction

Was that $37,000 for a 5-door, or for a NATO FFR?

Either Pete was mis-quoted, or he's checking to see that "the one that was
born every minute" is willing to pay. (he WAS offered $17,000 several times,
for his own NATO truck - unrestored!)

For those of you that read the article in the U.K. - please note: the chassis
that you lads pay GBP 750.00 for, can cost as much as $5000 here! I
personally, would faint if I had to pay this price JUST for a chassis!

As luck would have it, I work for British Airways, I have a cargo allowance
that I'm saving up, and I can get the same chassis as you, WITH NO VAT - so
I'd actually pay less than GBP750.00!

Charles

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:01:36 EDT
Subject: Re: Sidney's stranded

Joseph,

The condensor can fail when it heats up as well. Sometimes, it'll just cause a
nasty backfire, sometimes the engine just quits, sometimes it backfires - then
quits, and sometimes it quits, and never starts again.

Interesting topic though...on several of the MGB's that I've owned, when the
coils died, the tachometers filled with smoke! Don't know why, but they did.

Charles

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:05:31 EDT
Subject: Parabolic spring updates?????...Now TeriAnn....!

Bill wrote
>You'll never have to worry about sagging, 
dragging, wear, tear, lubrication, rust, and alignment again. You install 
the springs and your suspension troubles are done.<

A new guy turned up for one of our club RTV competitions recently with a set
of these fitted to a ser 11. Our scrutineer sent him away with a flea in his
ear to "go join a none ARC club" as the ARC rules state that all suspension
parts should conform to original Land Rover equipment (or words to that
effect). 

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid
+ Rolling RR chassis (awaiting the right body)

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 05:05:34 EDT
Subject: re-Inspection light sockets

These are far more versatile than the modern "cigar lighter" sockets as a
handy outlet for 12V power. I use mine whenever I want to test anything 12V,
just bare the wires, fold back and stick them into the sockets. I also carry a
length of single core cable and have found it invaluable for checking out
electrical faults. Just stick one end into the required "inspection lamp
socket" and use the other end to probe with either pos or neg power to locate
a fault. 
For checking things out at the rear of the vehicle or checking something on
the standard Land Rover workbench (the tailgate) the NATO trailer socket also
has a handy auxillery power terminal that you can stuff a piece of wire into
to gain 12V power.

I even have an Inspection lamp fitted with that very rare item A PLUG THAT
FITS THE SOCKET. 
(I also have a cigar lighter socket fitted for the odd occasion that I want to
light a cigar or even plug in someonelses equipment)

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid
+ Rolling RR chassis (awaiting the right body

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:16:11 +0000
Subject: Re:  Aston Martin

<Lagonda>>
Anyone know the origin of this name?

Just curious if it goes back to Springfield, Ohio & an american indian word
>for "deer".

I beleive it comes/came from a place called Lagonda Creek.Where in the
States that is I have no idea.The original 1920's Lagondas were,in my
view,fully equal to Bentleys.Despite the name,the cars were fully British.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 12:06:54 +0200
Subject: Re: Engine and gearbox ect...

The short answer is - YES!

If you can be bothered to get involved with the task of doing the job
yourself, spending the time, making mistakes and correcting them, and
waiting for importers to deliver, then you should do this yourself.

By the time you are finsihed, you will know almost all there is to know
about your rover :-)

Good luck

Adrian Redmond

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 11:45:44 +0000
Subject: Re: Beginning of the end for LR??

>Guess what will be replacing the Defender on the Solihull production lines???
Bicycles,probably.....
>Bloody BMW!!!

Who have,presumably,at one fell swoop,lost the military market,
the agricultural market,the commercial market,etc,etc.
I must admit I'm not surprised.BMW were always too cocky for
their own good.Or ours for that matter.One assumes that vehicles
for SVO will be imported CKD from S.A?
I became even more deeply suspicious when I saw a photo of the
design "engineer" for the Freeloader..with a *perm*?

Not Cheered
Mike Rooth

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