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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:01:04 -0400
Subject: Anyone going to Lotusphere Berlin?

I'm going to be in Berlin for a week working the Lotusphere trade show. If
anyone is going and wants to get together for a beer, I'll be in the
Wireless/Mobile Communications group lab (I'm a software geek by trade...).

For those who maty be in the area, i'll be there from the 17th to the 26th
of Septemb. I hate trade shows...

Love to see anyone who will be there! Send me email - I'm sure we can meet.

OBRover Content: Anyone know a good motor factor in Berlin? I need carb
rebuild kits...

                    Al Richer

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:10:31 EDT
Subject: Re:  Compression Questions

In a message dated 9/3/98 11:25:11 PM, you wrote:

<<my son did a compression test on his
new '72 Series III>>

*New* '72 Series III, eh? Take it back to the dealer, it should still be under
warranty...

:-)

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:15:27 EDT
Subject: Re:  Anyone going to Lotusphere Berlin?

In a message dated 9/4/98 7:51:56 AM, you wrote:

<<Rover Content: Anyone know a good motor factor in Berlin? I need carb
rebuild kits...>>

Wouldn't they be cheaper here? Just curious as most things German seem to be
cheaper and easier to find here than there, except maybe for G-wagens (someone
has a new 5door in town here). Not that you have a German carb, or do you?
Seems like our 1-800-and-have-it-tomorrow sytem is pretty well developed, and
I'm used to not having to trek around a city trying to track something down
anymore.

--pat.

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:28:07 -0400
Subject: Connecting-rod nuts - BSF or USF?

Dumb question - I'm assembling Mr. C's new block, and I want to replace the
Nylocs on the con-rod bolts.

Those silly things aren't BSF, are they? I believe BSF in 3/8 is26 TPI, and
these are definitely 24 by my pitch gauge.

Y'know, if BB had their act together and could ship product I wouldn't have
to ask...

                         ajr

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 8:33:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Connecting-rod nuts - BSF or USF?

Alan, I'm shocked that you don't have a few in your Jar of Unmatched 
Little Hardware Bits. Remember the water pump incident at GP? BB didn't 
even have one in stock at their shop ! OK folks lets all dig around under 
our workbench and we'll each mail him one.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:55:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Anyone going to Lotusphere Berlin?

In a message dated 9/4/98 7:51:56 AM, you wrote:

<<Rover Content: Anyone know a good motor factor in Berlin? I need carb
rebuild kits...>>

>Wouldn't they be cheaper here?

Probably - but what's the adventure in that?

Part of the fun I have in going to the UK is traveling about and seeing
what's available for bits and pieces here and there. For amusement's sake,
I figure other cities are good for it, too.

                         ajr

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:58:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Connecting-rod nuts - BSF or USF?

Re: Jar of Unmatched Nuts:

Getting a bit personal, aren't we? 8*)

Yes, I was unsurprised that Bulldog couldn't managfe to fill my order
properly.

As far as the Nylocs, I strongly tend not to reuse them. I have the
originals, but a stop by my industrial supplier on the way home this
afternoon should bag me the replacements.

Thanks for the offer, though...8*)

                    ajr

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:55:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Compression Questions

AJ - can you explain this please - Thanks - Peter

		'had 2 wedges missing'

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:05:10 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Compression Questions

In a message dated 9/4/98 8:56:29 AM, you wrote:

<<AJ - can you explain this please - Thanks - Peter

		'had 2 wedges missing'>>

I'll try.  Burned Valve: It had two pie-shaped cracks in it. They look like
wedges coming from the beveled edge of the valve towards the stem... how it
happened in his engine, I can't begin to explain...

Learned my lesson on my first VW Beetle. That taught me how to set & adjust my
exhaust valves, as well as the value of renewing valve guides, etc.

--pat.

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:16:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Compression Questions

>'had 2 wedges missing'

OK - hold up a valve, mushroom end toward you. Circle, no?

Picture this circle missing two pie-wedges of material, one at about 12
o'clock and the other about two o'clock, both stopping before they met at
the stem.

This valve was a colander - it had no structural integrity.

                         ajr

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:23:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Compression Questions

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998 Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com wrote:

> >'had 2 wedges missing'
> OK - hold up a valve, mushroom end toward you. Circle, no?
> Picture this circle missing two pie-wedges of material, one at about 12
> o'clock and the other about two o'clock, both stopping before they met at
> the stem.

Yup.  Somewhere around 10 or 15% of the valves area was missing.  The
really cool thing is the the missing bits are damn near symmetrical.  I
figure I should give the valve to Dixon for his next rebuild.  A little JB
weld, and hey! New valve.

David 

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From: "Wilson, Scott" <wilsons@msmail.vislab.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:25 -0500
Subject: PTT and wanting to go ride...

<< KA's >>
Sorry... Kappa Alpha - "A Southern Tradition" - a fraternity....

> BTW in the UK if we shoot a burglar we get nicked for murder/attempted,   
is it
> different in the States?

In the states, it really depends... You have to feel that your life is   
threatened.
Unfortunately, Some guy from somewhere in Louisiana felt that his life   
was
threatened by an asian student whose english was not up to par and was   
looking
for directions at about midnight. He got off the hook, too...

And speaking of Land Rovers... I'm ready to take on some trails... I got   
Delorme's
TopoUSA (includes backroads, etc) and I'd love to just trek out, but is   
there anyone
within a decent driving distance from brooklyn that goes out on any   
regular basis?

 -Scott

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From: Todd_Wilson_at_Rivergate@ccmail.columbia.com (Todd Wilson)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:42:51 -0700
Subject: Re: FWH's

     Is it possible that your transfer noise is just "more" noticable now 
     that it isn't being drowned out by the front axle noise?
     
     when you return to 4x4 mode with the transfer case in 2x4 your just 
     re-introducing the front axle into the cacophony.
     
     tew

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From: Cal Swallow <seeker@rnet.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:46:13 -0500
Subject: Re: Color for trop roof - THANKS!

At 06:52 A 9/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks for all the replies to my question re: the color of the
>tropical roof on my LR.  Looks like mine being a light green station
>wagon, the roof itself is the same color as the body, and the solar
>panel on top is limestone (off-white).
>Someone pointed me to the BC Land Rover club pages, where there are
>extensive instructions on painting Land Rovers.  Very informative.
>The URL is:
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
>Thanks again to all.
>	--Robert
Robert,

I tried the link but it did not work.  I did manage to get there and
discovered that the URL is case sensative.

I have a friendly suggestion:   When I want to include a URL link in an
email,  I usually use my browser (Netscape) and email client (Eudora)
together.  I open the browser,  choose the desired link,  highlight it,
hit Ctrl/c,  open email client,  compose email msg,  put insertion point at
desired spot,  hit Ctrl/v and the link is copied and active.  The email
recipient can then double click on the link in the email msg and the
browser is launched and the link opened.  May not work with some
browser/email client combinations.  Thanks for the link.  It is a very
good/useful site.
Cal Swallow
Quincy,  IL

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:48:20 -0700
Subject: RE: Dwell - Timing

From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 12:04:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: RE: Dwell - Timing

On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, Faure, Marin wrote:

> >TDC.  According to the owners and shop manuals, I am not aware of any
> >timing setting for this engine that is actually before TDC.
Depending

>Are you only looking at the Series III manuals?  The NADA series IIIs
had
a distributor that was set to have very retarded timing at idle.  The
later IIAs may have done that too.  It is an emissions thing.  Earlier
engines called for more advanced idle timnings.  The marks on my IIA's
flywheel are TDC, 3BTDC and 6BTDC.  I generally run 8 or 10 degrees
before
TDC.  That is with 87 (R+M)/2 octane gas.  If I spring for high-test
gasoline, I can push it to about 12 degrees before it pings.

Ah, maybe that's it.  The owners manual I have is for my US-spec Series
III, although the factory service manual seems fairly generic.  I
replaced my original distributor many, many years ago with what I was
told was the more "normal" distributor for a Series III, but it still
wants between 3 and 6 degrees after TDC.  Any earlier than that and it
knocks badly under load.  So maybe my "new" distributor in fact isn't
any different from the original unit.  Does anyone know if the valve
timing for the US-spec 2.25 engine is any different than "standard" 2.25
engines?

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:24:31 EDT
Subject: Re: PTT ETC.  (clubs)

Frank,   If she wanted a j**p we'd have one.  Aren't they all "She who must be
obeyed"?  We went to a gathering this last weekend, around 600 or 700 jeeps.
All sizes, descriptions states of tune, J**ply beuaty etc.  Luckily she's sane
or mostly so.  She says we always need to have a Rover or two laying around.

Choosing mates wisely is most important.

Zack Arbios

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:35:51 EDT
Subject: Re: PTT ETC. (clubs)

Regarding the discussion of security measures

I didn't completely list the elements of the Home defense system, and one
shouldn't.  But in order to hopefully put a little end on this thread, we have
a layered defense system.  After all we live in downtown Sacramento.  It is a
residential area featuring many Victorian Style homes.  The first floor of our
re-built home has one door and garage doors. the main entry and the
residential space is all on the second floor.  All entry points are monitored
by alarm.  The Doberman is another layer, the Springer Spaniel and the Corgi
count as another.  The shotgun holds ten shells.  The shotgun only comes into
play if I am not here.  The .45 Auto comes into play if I am.  Mainly, I want
the wire to rack the shotgun a time or two (up to her) so that I can get a
IT'S ME! IT'S ME!" out before I visit the great beyond where the rover trails
are challenging and there is no body damage.

If I die she won't have anyone to fix the Rovers.... Job Security.

Zack Arbios

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:52:39 -0700
Subject: Re: No oil in swivel (oil Vs. grease again?)

From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 21:05:40 +0200
Subject: Re: No oil in swivel (oil Vs. grease again?)

>Great thread this oil versus grease business - there's something I
cannot understand...

>If you can't use grease (I do) in the hub because it thins and runs out
- how come you can use oil from the swivel housing - doesn't that run
out too?

I don't think what's being said is that the grease leaves the vehicle,
but that it mixes with the oil coming through from the swivel ball which
is what's intended to lubricate the bearings.  So the grease is
irrelevant.  It won't hurt anything if you insist on greasing the wheel
bearings, but you don't have to if your swivel ball seals are in good
shape and there is always the correct amount of lube oil in the
housings.

>And where doies the grease run? If it runs into the swivel housing, hou
does the oil from the swivel housing which should lubricate the hub
instead of grease, run into the hub if it's most likely to run the other
way - like the grease.

The oil in the swivel housing goes to wherever it can get to, which
includes the hub bearings.  The proper oil level in the swivel housings
is high enough to let the oil flow out to the bearings.  If the oil
level is allowed to drop, however, it may well reduce the amount of oil
that gets to the bearings. The hub seal keeps the oil from escaping the
hub itself and contaminating the brakes.

>The hub and bearings should be packed with grease, which should not
leave the hub - hence the seals at each end of the hub.

I believe this is incorrect.  For one thing, no manual I have says
anything about keeping the front hub bearings packed in grease.  The
only mention of grease is when they describe fitting new bearings or
bearings that have been removed from the hub during an overhaul and
cleaned.  This, I believe, is to ensure the bearings are lubricated from
the moment they start to turn as opposed to running dry until oil from
the swivel housing reaches them.  But nowhere in my original Series III
owners or service manuals is there a maintenance item regarding regular
greasing of the front hubs.  This is opposed to the manuals for my BMW
and Ford pickup, both of which have front hub greasing as a regual
maintenance item.

>The free-wheel hubs - if fitted - should be lubricated according to the
design requirements and manufacturers instructions. I have AVM's - the
book says "Do not lubricate"

Your AVM hub manual may say "do not lubricate" because they're going to
get lubricated automatically by the oil coming through from the swivel
houseing.  The Warn hubs I installed on my Series III shortly after I
bought it new in 1973 are lubricated by oil coming through from the
swivel housing.  If you remove the hubs, as I have done a couple of
times to replace the paper oil seal at the hub's base, guess what runs
out?  Lube oil from the swivel housings.  The installation sheet that
came with the Warn hubs was quite specific about how the moving pin
mechanism was going to be lubricated on a Land Rover; it would get it's
lubrication, the sheet said, from the lube oil in the swivel housings.

>The brake drum should be lubricated with air - nothing else.

No argument there.

>Having said that - I drained my swivels before changing the seals and
balls (which were badly etched and rusted) and the hosuing was still
half full with oil. The hubs had not been dismantled either since 1990,
and they were full of grease - thick and brown, not oily, and not
creamy. In the preceding 8 years, with over 150,000 km driving, I had
retained my lubricants in the correct chambers and the bearings were all
in good enough condition to use again. (Timkin originals).

Other than installing Warn hubs in 1974, and replacing their paper oil
seals once or twice, I have not had my hubs or swivel balls apart since
purchasing my Series III new in 1973.  I have no leakage from the swivel
balls (yet) and have so far experienced no hub bearing or swivel bearing
problems. That's in 25 years, the first 10 of which the vehicle was
driven a lot every single day as it was my only means of transportation.
I have never greased the hub bearings because the manual doesn't say to
do it.  I periodically check the oil level in the swivel balls to make
sure they are topped up.  I have had to replace front (and rear) hub
seals on several occasions, and I've repaced a few rubber/felt axle end
seals  when oil has started seeping into the hub caps.  By the way,
there's the evidence that swivel housing oil lubricates the wheel
bearings.  If that little rubber/felt seal is shot or missing, oil from
the swivel housing will work its way clear out to the hubcap.  The only
way it can get there is to go through the wheel bearings.  The Warn hubs
do not incorporate any sort of internal seal which is why the lube oil
from the swivel housing can get out and keep them lubricated, along with
the bearings.

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:52:04 EDT
Subject: Re: Sorry for weapon tangent

Adrian, We're probably not too far off ideallistically.  I don't have my
weapons to shoot somebody.  I do want to shoot back... which is probably where
we vary a bit.  
I shoot compettive pistol targets, my neighbor shoots "cowboy shoots"  antique
guns, antique costumes etc.  I shoot pheasant in season, a legacy of my family
upbringing and heritage thing, but I don't brandish weapons.  

When I investigate the funny noises in my backyard, I take a pistol, because I
have it and it would seem silly to not do so.  But I take wrenches when I tour
in the Rover as well.  I've had the training and I'm not showing off (in
either pursuit) and don't see a problem.  If we all show a little
responsibility, and forbearance things will get better.  

As to living in the De-militarized zone, I will we moved in here to re-buildi
the house and get therby a financial gain which will I hope allow us to live
in the country with the Wifes' horse at hand.  Then I'll get to see more of
her.

Zack Arbios
Regular guy
Rover Owner
Pistol shot.

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:01:26 EDT
Subject: Re: Clutch Problems

Do you have a dragging clutch?

try the same shifts while stopped.

Zack Arbios

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From: "Ray Burton" <Ray_Burton@usairways.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:08:02 -0400
Subject: Re: PTT ETC. (clubs) (Zack's Home Defense System)

Zack wrote:
>Mainly, I want the wife to rack the shotgun a time or two (up to her) so
that I >can get a IT'S ME! IT'S ME!" out before I visit the great beyond
where the rover >trails are challenging and there is no body damage.,

Now we understand you're strategy.  It's to protect your own butt from
being peppered with buckshot.  Hopefully your 1st & 2nd levels of defense
will be enough deterent.

BTW, for home-defense, #4 shot is better than 00-buck as it has more
pellets and a better spread,

Cheers,
Ray

PS - For home defense I prefer my Winchester model 1897 trench gun over a
handgun, as I'd prefer not to shoot through walls and endanger other
sleeping family members.

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:18:15 EDT
Subject: Re: PTT ETC. (clubs)

Once one has dispatched the intruder by choking the git with the wellies or
the poo, does one bury him in the poo-pile covered by an anorak, and does one
drag him to the pile with a Range Rover or a Series?  I don't know the local
customs, but around here we hang him on the fence as a warning to others.
Works for the omnipresent Coyote.

Zack Arbios

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From: Devin Anderson <devin.anderson@haledorr.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 13:22:02 -0400
Subject: plugs

Could someone respond to me directly (and through the list) regarding
the proper sparkplugs to put into the Euro-6 engine that I have in my
109 stationwagon?  

Thanks in advance,]

Devin Anderson

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From: Ian Vowles <Ian@modricusa.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 11:51:08 -0600
Subject: Re: PTT ETC. (clubs) (Zack's Home Defense System)

<<PS - For home defense I prefer my Winchester model 1897 trench gun over a
handgun, as I'd prefer not to shoot through walls and endanger other
sleeping family members.>>

I would strongly recommend consideration of "Glaser" safety shells -
available in most common handgun calibers these will not shoot through
dry wall but will take down most sized varmints - all kinds . Also less
likely to damage the Rover - a major consideration :-)

Ian - Colorado ( Ex Limey )
1966 S11A 88 - with full underseat ammo boxes !! ( don't you just love the
secure storage under your seat ) 

At 01:08 PM 9/4/98 -0400, you wrote:

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 07:26:05
Subject: Re: Con Rod nuts no longer nyloks.

	Reuse of nuts not recommended.  We don't have enough rovers for the
existing nuts living now.  The replacement nuts are not nyloks but plain un
plated steel that I got from RN on my rebuild.  They are supposed to be
some special material, however.  I'd be leery about off the shelf nyloks as
they don't seem to be a very high grade of steel.  Seems if you are going
to the trouble to rebuild, you'd want to use the genuine rover part.  A con
rod flying around could be most embarrassing.  But then some of us get
great pleasure out of doing and redoing the same repair over and over.
>From experience, you get pretty good at it on the 3rd go round.

	When I ordered the stuff for my rebuild those nylok nuts were missing.
Called RN and bitched, they sent me the same plain nuts as they had the
first time.  Called RN again and confirmed that I now had two sets of the
'new improved con rod nuts.  You might check and see if you have some extra
plain nuts lying around with your new rebuild parts.	

Aloha Peter

>Dumb question - I'm assembling Mr. C's new block, and I want to replace the
>Nylocs on the con-rod bolts.

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 16:45:40 -0400
Subject: clutch problems

 Alan writes  2. Broken/sheared pins in the tube that connects the hydraulic
bits to the
release mechanism
3. A dire need for bleeding in the clutch hydraulics

 hey Allen, you were not paying attention, go to the back of the class, It
is a series 1.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 16:45:42 -0400
Subject: Compression questions

 There are several possiblities you had a low compression reading, one poor
use of the tester, two, faulty head gasket and 3 valve/valves not opening -
worn cam lobe ? poorly adjusted tappet, bent push rod etc and 4 a blockage
in the inlet system.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 16:45:39 -0400
Subject: Clutch problems

Ian, it is possible that the clutch is poorly adjusted, or that one or both
of the cross pins in the cross shaft is /are broken. Look carefully when
actuating the clutch for lost motion in the linkages, the series one clutch
tends to be much morte switch like than the hydtraulic ser 2.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 16:45:43 -0400
Subject: Perkins / Commer / Dodge

Sorry for touching a nerve Ron. I am aware of the history of the Bantam
/walk thru et al. Just before leaving the UK I sold my Dodge ( Perkins 4-236
engine ) so Dodge comes to mind before Commer. How long will it be before we
start tal;king of Land Rovers as BMW ?  No reply needed I am only joking,
don't want to start world war 4.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 17:01:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Glass in Safari top

Keith Elliott wrote:
> Hi Everyone
> undoing the 3 bolts but it looks like there is an aluminium lip on the 
outside that is also holding it in?!?!?! Is this possible?!?!?!

keith;
As far as I can remember that aluminum lip had nothing to do with
holding in the glass..that piece was just pushed on over the edge of the
window opening..Mine is still apart but at the moment I cant find it to
be double sure.  The glass should come out after you remove the bottom
window channel and just tilt the glass inward ,it will come out I had no
problems.
Rgds
Steve Bradke

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From: rovah@agate.net
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:03:30 -0500
Subject: 1998 Owl's Head Land Rover Rally

This is an open invitation to all in the Rover community to point their
trucks in a Downeast(Northeast) direction the first weekend of October, for
the 1998 Owl's Head Land Rover Rally.  This event is free of charge, and
open to all Land Rover types.  The off-road portion of the event(Saturday)
will be by registration only(although still free of charge).  The format of
the event will be one most are familiar with; a day of off-roading, and a
day of static display and comraderie.
      This event is being co-sponsored by East Coast Rover, The Downeast
Land Rover Club, and the Land Rover Scarborough Centre dealership.  There
will be information about the event on The Downeast Land Rover Club website
this weekend, but if you stop by and don't see it, send me e-mail directly,
and I'll make sure you get it.  You can also contact me at 207-947-2114.

Best Regards! John

John Cassidy
Bangor, Maine USA

The Downeast Land Rover Club, <http://www.agate.net/~rovah/>
X0 of the V(irtual)MFA 323rd Cougars/Flying GSC's F/A-18 Hornet game
<http://www.tstonramp.com/~kahuna/index.html>

2 Wheels: 1970 Velocette Thruxton, Moto Morini 350S
4 Wheels: 1998 SE Discovery "Chukka," 1987 Range Rover-"Smedley," 1966
Series IIA 88" "SWAMBO,"  1963 Unimog 404.1-S "The Caterpiller,"  1968
Porsche 911L, Series 109" Project

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:44:58 EDT
Subject: Re: Nameless Kirk

In a message dated 04/09/98 09:42:56 BST, you write:

<< eez, Frank, I gave Kirk Hillman all these great Hillman names >>
why should he call his Land Rover after the Commer Imp van?
I meant 360 degrees. Hoping to be back at work in four weeks so trying to get
used to misprints/literals again.
Of course it is common knowledge that in Australia the water goes down the
sink hole the other way around, so does that mean we would have done our 360
degree in the other direction???

My head hurts, I'm going for a lie down.

Singer Chamois Rule.........

Best Cheers

Frank
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            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:44:59 EDT
Subject: Re: Nameless Kirk

In a message dated 04/09/98 09:42:56 BST, you write:

<< eez, Frank, I gave Kirk Hillman all these great Hillman names >>
why should he call his Land Rover after the Commer Imp van?
I meant 360 degrees. Hoping to be back at work in four weeks so trying to get
used to misprints/literals again.
Of course it is common knowledge that in Australia the water goes down the
sink hole the other way around, so does that mean we would have done our 360
degree in the other direction???

My head hurts, I'm going for a lie down.

Singer Chamois Rule.........

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:52:10 EDT
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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:52:47 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Con Rod nuts no longer nyloks.

In a message dated 9/4/98 3:03:36 PM, "Aloha Peter" wrote:

<<	Reuse of nuts not recommended. >>

IMHO, reuse of con rod bolts not recommended either.

They stretch, don't they?

--pat. 

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:26:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:  Re: Con Rod nuts no longer nyloks.

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998 SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 9/4/98 3:03:36 PM, "Aloha Peter" wrote:
> <<	Reuse of nuts not recommended. >>
> IMHO, reuse of con rod bolts not recommended either.
> They stretch, don't they?

The IIA shop manual doesn't say anything about replacing the bolts.  I
presume if the threads are in good shape, they are reusable.  It does say
reassmble with new nuts.   Sounds painful, that.  The torque on the nuts
is only 25 or 35 ft*lbs, depending on which sort of bolt you have.

David

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:53:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Re: Con Rod nuts no longer nyloks.

Pat asks:

IMHO, reuse of con rod bolts not recommended either.

They stretch, don't they?

IMHO, anything that could manage to stretch with the moderate torque LR
recommends for these was hurting to begin with...

The 2.25 con-rod bolts aren't of the torque-to-yield type that is more
prevalent in American junk. These bad boys aren't going to stretch till you
put MUCh more torque on them than the manual recommends...

                    ajr

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:45:28 EDT
Subject: Need wiring colors

I *had* a list of which color wires go to what, *somewhere* on my hard drive,
cant find it now that I need it. Could someone post it to me privately? Got a
new harness for a IIa to do tomorrow and would like the colors for backup. TIA
and sorry about the bandwidth.
Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS
LROA #1095
SoLaRoS #23
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:01:42 EDT
Subject: Re: Compression Questions

In a message dated 04/09/98 14:06:22 BST, you write:

<< a colander - it had no structural integrity. >>
I've heard Bill Clinton called a few things. But a colander???

Best Cheers

Frank
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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:01:42 EDT
Subject: Re: Compression Questions

In a message dated 04/09/98 14:06:22 BST, you write:

<< a colander - it had no structural integrity. >>
I've heard Bill Clinton called a few things. But a colander???

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
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            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:01:52 EDT
Subject: Re: PTT ETC.  (clubs)

In a message dated 04/09/98 17:25:17 BST, you write:

<< She says we always need to have a Rover or two laying around.>>
and with her gun you ain't about to disagree:-)>
 
 <<Choosing mates wisely is most important. >>
Agreed, just took me two goes is all.....

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
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            "(o)======(o)"

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:03:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Need wiring colors

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998 Solihull@aol.com wrote:
> I *had* a list of which color wires go to what, *somewhere* on my hard drive,
> cant find it now that I need it. Could someone post it to me privately? Got a
> new harness for a IIa to do tomorrow and would like the colors for backup. TIA
> and sorry about the bandwidth.

see http://www.off-road.com/LR_FAQ/Series/FAQ.S.wires.html
David

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From: "William S. Kowalski" <70252.1204@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:05:31 -0400
Subject: Tellico Event???????

Sorry I wasn't able to make the Tellico outing a few weeks ago. What is
more amazing is the fact nothing hit the digest about the event. Did I miss
something?

Bill Kowaslki
Hinsdale, Illinois

'67 Land-Rover IIA 109"
'63 Austin-Healey "BJ-7"
'53 RR Bentley "R"

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From: David Scott <birddog@mindspring.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 20:43:46 -0600
Subject: RE: prince charles

----------
From: 	john hess[SMTP:jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us]
Sent: 	Saturday, August 29, 1998 7:25 PM
Subject: 	prince charles

Congrats birddog, missed your input over the past year or so.  How many
rovers are elft in your stable now?

cheers

John F Hess   jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us
Land Rover Dormobile web pages:
http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html
1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis"
1960 swb pu "Stubby" (actually Katherine's),
1960 swb roadster oops, not anymore, he has a top!  Needs door tops and
upper and lower tailgates.
 "Slug" (Alex's) Slug needs everything, donations accepted

John sorry for the late reply just returned from Vancouver.  Got caught in the 
Air Canada strike and had to stay a couple of extra days, like being thrown in 
the brier patch.  I have  around 7 land rovers.  Mostly restoration stuff.  I 
have run out of steam and money and will probably sell most of my projects.  
The 
most noteworthy a 67 Doormobile in need of everything but complete.  No pop up 
top and only the seats and martin tag to make it a doormobile.  Have four 
pickups, enough to make two excellent restorations etc., and finally a bugeye 
in progress.  I hate age has grabbed me  and has quieted the fire, but what a 
burn it was while it flamed.  Have a great day birddog 

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 21:59:26
Subject: RE: Tails

>If they won't go that far, then they will probably go for a get togather at
>a good pub to swop Landy tails.
I ment TALES, perhaps a dram or to too oooo much malt whisky. It has an
effect on my typing and spelling 8^).

Jim Wolf

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 04:06:51 +0200
Subject: TW wiring colors

TeriAnn's wiring colour guide (read "color" for US browsers!) is to be
recommended -

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman/

hope this helps!

Adrian Redmond

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From: "Jeffrey Jackson" <jcjcj88@email.msn.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:07:04 -0400
Subject: The Best 4X2 By Far

After three long weeks undergoing a makeover, Camilla is once again under
way, making way.  Her new mission:  British Buick.

For the next 9 months I'll be driving 80 highway miles four days each week.
To keep from going deaf as a lightkeeper and to make the trips a bit more
pleasant, I've added soundproofing (aint no Lexus, but I no longer feel like
I'm seated inside the transmission housing), seats from a Honda Prelude
(bolted onto the stock seat tracks and work great, but you *must* be 5'10"
tall, and have the exact leg length/torso ratio of, uh, me), carpeting
(Rubbermaid stuff from Wal-Mart which looks surprisingly less crappy than
expected), the ubiquitous cheap-plastic-console-with-cupholder, stereo (not
yet installed), along with a "fresher" engine, new clutch, a bunch of new
seals and gaskets, window channels, etc.

I was skeptical of the truck's ability to handle this routine, so I kept a
bit of cash squirreled away to buy a cheap emergency backup econobox if
needed.  I'm pleased to report that she's not half-bad in the new role.  Not
bad at all.  I don't pass many cars other than the odd Yugo (aren't they
all) and, of course, all large American sedans with Florida plates.  But I'm
not a rolling roadblock, either.

Hopefully, next year I can strip away the carpet and such, which the car
wears as awkwardly as eye liner on a third-grader, and get back to the
austerity thing.   But for now...

See you on the highway.  Unfortunately.

JCJ

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 04:16:37 +0200
Subject: Re: Compression Questions

At the risk of starting another off-topic thread - will someone "over
there" explain why the extramarital oral activities of William Clinton
are even the subject of discussion in the new world? Isn't this a
question of consenting adults?

And does one really expect that any guy - if accused of freelance
activities like this would actually go on national tv and say "Yeh - I
cheated on the wife!" ? Really - how naive! If a man is prepared to
cheat, it seems unlikely that he isn't prepared to deny it?

I thought the witch hunt about the Managing Director of USA using the
office phone to ring to his political friends was far out - but the
"Oral Office follies with Madamoiselle Levinsky" is even further - so
what she gave him a necktie? I guess that's a crime in 42 states too?

Oops - I meant "Oval office" - Freudian slip I guess :-)

Adrian Redmond

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From: "Jeffrey Jackson" <jcjcj88@email.msn.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:17:51 -0400
Subject: I hate to dwell on this subject, but....

OK, I'll admit it.  I set my points .016, static time the lump, twist the
distributor a bit till she sounds right, then pat myself on the back for a
fine job of tuning the engine.

Then I read the dozens (or was it thousands?) of posts exclaiming the
virtues of this "dwell" thing.  Some were fer it, some agin it, some used it
as a segue for (yawn) a discussion of firearms.

So now I feel cheated.  There's probably 80 or 90 horses lurking in the old
girl, untapped but for a "dwell meter".

So:  What do they cost, and how do you use one?

JCJ

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:26:04 +1000
Subject: RTV

Adrian Redmond wrote:
>What's RTV?

Room Temperature Vulcanising Silicone Rubber

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:10:34 +1000
Subject: PTT ETC. (clubs)

Zac wrote:
>I am Jealous of your enlightened gun laws,
>I'm from California does that say enough?

I respond:
I am frightended by your gun laws.
I am from Australia - does that say enough?

The last gun I handled was a grease gun.  Not particularly lethal even at
close range unless used in place of Teri-Ann's club.

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:22:55 +1000
Subject: Stuck Slotted Screws on the Geabox Topcover

Nate wrote:

>Any suggestions on how to remove the 2 slotted screws
>I don't like to try easy outs myself (too much risk of
>complicating the situation--BTDT too many times).

Don't use the normal easi-out which relies on screwing (with a left hand
thread) into the screw.  n small screws, the easi-outs break or they expand
the screw making it even harder to remove.

There is another type which is pyramidal in shape.  You drive these in and
thenturn them in the usual direction (they are not threaded) and they grip
into the sides of the screw to remove it.  They ream their way in and do
little damage.

They are made in the USA - by Wisconsin American (or something like that).
I saw them again recently at a tool shop.  Prices ranged from about A$6
(US$4) to A$50 (US$30) for really big ones.

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:32:04 +1000
Subject: Going to Portland? Check the Hillmans

If you are going to the Britsh Meet at Portland, look out for some Hillmans.
Then you'll know the other type of car I use.  Oh, in the USA, some Hillmans
were sold as Sunbeams.  (No not the Sunbeam Alpine and the Sunbeam Tiger
that Maxwell Smart drove in Get Smart).  Same company, same engines,
different bodies.

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:44:43 +1000
Subject: FWH's

Adrian Redmond wrote:
>In 4x2 mode, the front tranny and diff stays still, so something inside
the transfer case is now ringing/grating/whining/winging whilst the
drive tranny turns but the front tranny doesn't.
Can anyone explain this phenomena? Sholdnet FWH's at least give less
noise?>

I suspect that it is due to the transfer case now being unloaded and the
free play not being take up by the front axle loads.

It's a common phenomenon in other fields too

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:12:53 +1000
Subject: major swivel pin leak

Adrian wrote:

>then SWMBO can sit in the cab and wiggle the
>steering whilst you pressurise your balls.

Jeez - and we see complaints about others lowering the tone of the place!
Better to get SWMBO to pressurise your balls.

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 11:50:08 +1000
Subject: Blinker Switches

Neil Brownlee wrote:

>Also, as this is a British car, why on earth is the indicator stick on the
>&*^&* right?! Very odd, in the UK I thought only Japanese cars were
>like that!

And Australian cars.

Neil, you've made the very wrong assumption that anything which is not the
same as in the USA must be wrong.  Perhaps the USA has it wrong.  Don't
forget, more countries drive on the left than the right.  Note I didn't
refer to the numbers of people, just countries.

British (and all other RHD) vehicles up until the late Seventies (perhaps
even later) had the blinker switch on the right.  Perhaps it had something
to do with the gearshift on the left hand and the blinkers on ther right.

I still have trouble when I get into the Rangie and find the blinker switch
on the left - whereas everyone knows it should be on the right.  I keep
switching the wipers on.

On my first Rangie I swapped the switches over to put the blinker switch on
the right hand side.

GM now builds the Vectra in Australia.  The looked at moving the switch to
the correct (right) side but the costs were about A$600,000 so they left it
on the left.

I'm not sure what they do on the Australian GM Holden Commodore which they
now sell in the Middle East and the USA (sold as Chevs).

Regards,
Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
'86 Range Rover 4.8L auto  "The Last Aquila"
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
check my web site at www.users.bigpond.com/hillman

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 04:30:58 +0200
Subject: pressurised balls

I was waiting for that...

:-)

Adrian Redmond

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:28:20 +1000
Subject: Waalk in Harmony etc.

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
>Baseball bats are low caliber.  Try a handle from a removable handle 
>pick axe.  Not only hefty but it has a steel jacket around the tip.  ;

Then she wrote:
>Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you 
>will create  beauty wherever you go.

Not with a pick axe handle you won't.   8-)

Ron

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 04:38:24 +0200
Subject: Sorry about the bandwidth

Solihull@aol.com wrote:
I *had* a list of which color wires go to what, *somewhere* on my hard
drive, cant find it now that I need it. Could someone post it to me
privately? Got a new harness for a IIa to do tomorrow and would like the
colors for backup. TIA and sorry about the bandwidth.

Wow - what is this list coming to! When someone eventually comes with an
ON-TOPIC posting - he say's sorry about the bandwidth!

I guess all the threads about night-sticks, guns, clinton and
pressurised balls (mea culpa) have got to some of our more well
disciplined members!

:-)

Adrian Redmond

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 21:39:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Compression Questions 

In message <bulk.13295.19980904191714@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:

> At the risk of starting another off-topic thread - will someone "over
> there" explain why the extramarital oral activities of William Clinton
> are even the subject of discussion in the new world? Isn't this a
> question of consenting adults?

	A lot of people's opinions differ based on which side of the political
spectrum that they come from.   His enemies will use anything that they
can.  But in my mind the big issue is that he lied under oath in court.
Now even his staunch supporters are beginning to abandon him since they 
spent a lot of time supporting a lie.

	Us Americans are a strange lot.  The rest of the world didn't
understand the OJ Simpson case either.

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 21:42:46 -0500
Subject: Re: PTT ETC. (clubs) 

Zac wrote:
  I am Jealous of your enlightened gun laws,
  I'm from California does that say enough?

Ron Responed:
  I am frightended by your gun laws.
  I am from Australia - does that say enough?

	I'm from the US.  I'm frighted by our postal workers.  Just the 
other day one shot 3 police officers...

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: "JEREMY BROOKS" <jbrookslegacy@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 19:50:05 PDT
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Hi all,
I am new to LRO-Digest, but not to the vehicles, having worked my way 
back from a 1974 Range Rover to my latest obsession. I am currently 
restoring a 1955 107 DeLuxe Cab pick up. Is anyone out there also a 
series one nut? Advice and parts sources/swaps are welcome.

Also, does anyone know of any conversion plates permitting installation 
of a VW diesel into a series Land Rover.

Thanks 

J.Brooks
Ontario, Canada

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From: "JEREMY BROOKS" <jbrookslegacy@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 19:50:05 PDT
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Hi all,
I am new to LRO-Digest, but not to the vehicles, having worked my way 
back from a 1974 Range Rover to my latest obsession. I am currently 
restoring a 1955 107 DeLuxe Cab pick up. Is anyone out there also a 
series one nut? Advice and parts sources/swaps are welcome.

Also, does anyone know of any conversion plates permitting installation 
of a VW diesel into a series Land Rover.

Thanks 

J.Brooks
Ontario, Canada

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 21:50:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Sorry about the bandwidth 

> I *had* a list of which color wires go to what, *somewhere* on my hard
> drive, cant find it now that I need it. Could someone post it to me
> privately? Got a new harness for a IIa to do tomorrow and would like the
> colors for backup. TIA and sorry about the bandwidth.

	I think this URL is what you are looking for:

http://www.off-road.com/LR_FAQ/Series/FAQ.S.wires.html

	Somewhere someone has a can of the diagram on the Web, but I can't
seem to find it right now.

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: Steve Rochna <75347.452@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:42:26 -0400
Subject: Re: New 2.25

Sorry Tom:

I'm moving to Nevada and have an oil cooler to go in but can I interest you
in an old 2.25?

Steve

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:44:32 -0500
Subject: Overdrive does not appear to work

	I just installed the Turner and drove it on it's first short
trip today ( thirty miles)  I have a Fairley Overdrive and it does not
appear to be working.  I can shift it on and off and the linkage appears
to be making change bu I do not noticed a change in the gearing.  What
are the possible causes and what type of inspection or diagnostic tests
can I perform.

	cwolfe

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 19:58:04
Subject: Re: secret low cost rover upgrade

	I was weed whacking over at the plantation and didn't out my ear plugs
when I finished.  Couldn't figure out why the trip home was so pleasant and
the old girl seemed to be running so much more smoothly.  Realized I still
had the ear plugs in.  Rover instantly regressed when I took them out.  Put
them back in and she was a brand new vehicle.  Highly recommend using the
plugs.  Much cheaper than a total rebuild
Aloha Peter

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 20:14:25
Subject: Re: comments on the Pres. for Adrian R.

	Bills creative use of Castro's finest is not the point.  Clinton faced 
the
nation and lied, faced the court and lied.  He has been doing this forever
on a variety of subjects if he thought he could get away with it.  He has
no idea what the truth is and will lie, subvert the truth, use the power of
the office to defame, etc. if it will save his skin.  His definition of the
truth is not what is true but what he can get away with.  Just the kind of
guy you want to hold the trigger on 3000 nuclear warheads among other
things.  Good old Bill.  A man you can trust to be the first and only man
in the lifeboat.  Basically, he is a sociopath with all the negatives that
go with that term.

	Just as old R Nixon was not brought down by Watergate but by the attempt
to cover it up.  Bill is in danger, not for the act, but the attempt to
keep the truth from coming to light.  He has used the power of the office
to keep this and many other indiscretions from coming to light (something
about 900 FBI files on his opponents and a history of attacking the
accuser, not the accusation).  Its the tip of the berg.  The campaign
finance sell out to the Chinese I think will nail him if nailing Monica
doesn't.
Aloha Peter

At 04:16 AM 9/5/98 +0200, you wrote:

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 02:33:23 EDT
Subject: Re: PTT ETC. (clubs)

I second the vote on U.S. postal workers.

My alternate mailman (the one that fills in for the normal guy, when he's on
vacation/days off/etc.), can't read! I always mistakes 900 N. Acacia Ave.,
with 900 N. Aranbe Ave.! The only similarities between the two, are the number
of different vowles (did I spell that right?), the number of letters in the
street name, and the building number. You'd think that if he was delivering a
private-party water bill to an elementary school, that  m a y b e  he'd think
for a second, that something isn't right.

Instead, I pointed out his mistake, and he looked as if he wanted to drop me
right then and there with my own Land Rover (LR content - HA!)!

Charles
P.S....Reminds me of that Simpsons episode in which Flanders dreamed that he
was trying to kill Homer with a Druganov, almost hit a mailman, and the
mailman returned fire with a MP-5! (glad to know that I'm not the only person
with a twisted sense of humor -))

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From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:50:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: PTT ETC.  (clubs)

  <<Choosing mates wisely is most important. >>
 Agreed, just took me two goes is all.....
 Best Cheers
 Frank

So now we know the real real for those three warnings, it's all that
fast living....;-)
Smitty

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From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 00:19:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Compression Questions

---Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> wrote:
 At the risk of starting another off-topic thread - will someone "over
 there" explain why the extramarital oral activities of William Clinton
 are even the subject of discussion in the new world? Isn't this a
 question of consenting adults?

I agree with consenting adults view, but;
1. Politician having sex with 20 yr old "employee"
2. Politician having sex with said "employee" in his office
3. Politician stating under oath, in court proceding that he did not
have sex with said "employee"

If she hadn't been an "employee", they hadn't done it in the oval
office, and he hadn't got caught lying under oath about it, it
probably would not be a big deal. You don't hear anyone calling for
his resignation for his 7 year affair with the Flowers Woman or his
affair with that actress from Highlander. Unfortunatly for his office,
it will probably end up with him having to resign. I sure most people
are tired of hearing about it, but look at it from another point of
view. What would your boss think of you doing kinky things with a 20
yr old "employee" in your office, when you were supposed to be on the
clock instead? I'm sure Denmark is not as conservative as the US, but
also I'm sure he would at least want you to do it some where else,
especially if you were as active as they were supposed to have been.
"NOt an official opinion or statement by any person or agency, and I
do not release the content or text of this e-mail for redistribution
or republication."..:-)
Smitty

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From: jeffmo@globalnet.co.uk
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 10:24:08
Subject: info req:Series III to buy or not to buy

I was recently offered a mid to late 70's Series III, 2 1/4  diesel with
overdirve and freewheeling hubs etc. plus lots of bits (i understand this
is particularly important for continued operation).

The only problem is I cant seem to get the hang of changing gear without a
little crunching, is there a special knack to it or is the gear box past
its best?  I know the guy that is selling it and he has a spare gearbox or
three to throw in with the deal, so is it worthwhile getting him to change
the current one.

I am used to driving basic 4wd's (I have a 10 year old Lada Niva) with
which I have never had any trouble gear changing wise.

Thanks 

Jeff

P.S. Can someone please explain what an overdrive is and how it works and
what all the diferent coloured levers are for (the one next to the
gearlever is presumably the diff lock and the other the hi-low box).  Under
what circumstances can these be engaged must the vehicle be stationary et.c

Thanks.

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