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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:13:23 -0400
Subject: Re: clutch problems

Bill chides:

 hey Allen, you were not paying attention, go to the back of the class, It
is a series 1.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR

First off, the name is Alan.....Secondly, I will admit to having paid more
attention to the symptoms than the vehicle.....

Third,  don't annoy me unnecessarily...8*)

Still sounds like the engagement mechanism is having problems - linkage OR
hydraulics..... I'd go through it and check all the pivots and the like for
slop - it's amazing how much can get taken up by worn pivot bits.

                    aj"So sue me.....8*)"r

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 09:39:53 -0400
Subject: noise

>  when you return to 4x4 mode with the transfer case in 2x4 your just 
     re-introducing the front axle into the cacophony

 Not technically correct, unless you use free wheeling hubs. What you do
however is to change the drive from one side of the gear teeth to the other,
since the diff is driven forward by the gearbox, rather than driven by the
front wheels. You may also increase tyhe loading on the trans.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 10:00:30 -0400
Subject: Overdrive, not working

Charles, if you remove the metal cover from the top of the O/D, ( 4 - 8 mm
screws ) you will be able to see the innards of the overdrive, you can then
watch the selector moving to and fro as you change in and out of overdrive.
The selector is fixed to the selector shaft with an 8 mm bolt, this may have
come out,( pray that it has not, otherwise the gears will be wrecked ) 
 If you are driving slowly you would hardly notice the gearing change from
the overdrive in the lower gears
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 09:58:40 -0600
Subject: Re: Info req: Series III to buy----

Jeff-

First off, on the Series III gearbox, there are synchros on all four
gears, so it should shift without grinding. A Land Rover cannot be
"Speed shifted"; be deliberate and gears should shift without trauma.
Sounds as if the synchros are gone-have him fix it!

Secondly, the overdrive. It's basically another gearbox which gives you
a better cruising High gear (.77:1 versus 1:1, I believe) As the Rover
has a 4.7:1 rear end ratio, the engine is screaming it's head off at
speeds more than 55-with overdrive you can get 65-70.

Thirdly, all the levers on the floor. The one with black knob is gear
shift (as you probably figured out!!). The one with yellow knob is to
put into 4wd High range (push down on it) It can be used at "Speed" The
red knob one is the hi-lo range shifter.Only shift at a stop.When you
shift into lo range from hi, it'll automatically pop the yellow knob up.
There are three positions with this lever-fully forward is high range,
in the middle is neutral and full back is low range. Lastly if overdrive
is fitted, the shifter for this comes out of seatbox instead of floor
and is used like the main shifter. Be sure front hubs are locked before
shifting into 4wd, if not things will go bang!

Welcome to the wonderful wacky world of Land Rovers!!!
Art

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From: "Franklin H. Yap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 09:06:08 -0700
Subject: Re: Compression Questions (LONG-NO LR CONTENT)

Dale Smith wrote:

> ---Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> wrote:
>  At the risk of starting another off-topic thread - will someone "over
>  there" explain why the extramarital oral activities of William Clinton
>  are even the subject of discussion in the new world?

Sex sells.  Ask the owners of tabloids.  Americans seem to get pretty
self-righteous about sex (despite any hypocrisy).  I am always amazed at the
number of  religious preachers, including several national ones, who condemn
those screwing around then get caught with prostitutes.  Even one of the
president's harshest critics about family values admitted yesterday that he
had an affair and had a son from that affair. (He only did so because he
realized that the press had the info on him.)

But isn't this a problem with parts of the old world?  I thought similar
types of controversies exist in the English Parliament.  However, the French
have a different approach.  Even the president's mistress gets to attend the
public funeral.

> Isn't this a
>  question of consenting adults?
> I agree with consenting adults view, but;
> 1. Politician having sex with 20 yr old "employee"
> 2. Politician having sex with said "employee" in his office
> 3. Politician stating under oath, in court proceding that he did not
> have sex with said "employee"

In terms of consenting adults, this case is a little different than the 3
steps noted above.  First, the intern publicly (to her friends) said she was
going to the White House to get her presidential kneepads.  (If the
president tried to seduce the intern, it would be wrong and that would be a
serious charge of sexual harassment.)  Second, you do get time off in your
office to do personal things.  Gee, anybody pick up their LR mail in their
offices?  Ever eat lunch in your office?  Why, I know several people who
have said that they had sex in their offices. (No, I don't know the
president.)  The third point is a tricky issue since it is still not clear
that the president has committed perjury.  Many people have said that the
president committed perjury but the public cannot make this decision until
the deposition transcripts are unsealed.  The deposition transcripts for the
case have not been released although the judge has ruled that the
transcripts are to be released pending any appeal of her decision.
According to the scuttlebutt in this affair, the terminology of sex was
defined for the deposition and it technically did not include oral sex.
(Anyone who has had his or her deposition taken knows that (1) you listen to
the question carefully, (2) you answer the precise question asked, (3) you
always tell the truth, (4) you never volunteer information, etc.  If the
lawyer taking the deposition doesn't know how to ask the correct questions
that's his or her problem.)

Even if the president is innocent of technical wrongdoing, there is a
serious question as to his judgement in this affair (aside from the intern's
physical appearance).  The president should have known better than to get
involved with an intern.  Because of the imbalance of the power
relationship, there will be a question as to whether he acted as a sexual
predator.  The president is quite fortunate that the intern has diffused
this potential issue.  Nevertheless, as the president of this country he
should have the sense not to put himself in such a position.  (The power of
the presidency is apparently quite compelling. Did you read about the Times
reporter who said she would have been happy to perform oral sex on him when
she was travelling on the presidential jet?)   In the words of Nancy Reagon,
he should have just said NO!

This issue is also problematic for people in the military.  Many have been
discharged for adultery. (It has been big news since Kelly Fynn.  She lied
to cover up an affair.  Did the president also lie?)  The president is
commander-in-chief for the armed forces.  How can the military continue to
discharge officers for adultery when the existing commander is also guilty
of such an offense?  (Even if oral sex with the intern isn't real sex, the
president has apparently admitted to adultery with other(s).)

Ben Smith noted earlier that criticisms of the president tends to come from
those who do not support him.  The polls continue to show that the general
public do not care about the issue.  However, there is slight drop in the
polls.  At this time, there are "supporters" jumping on the bandwagon to
"unsupport" him.  This latter group tends to be politicians who have to be
careful about their future in case there is a downward change in the public
trend (and there is a slight change).  Those "unsupporters" all knew that
the president was a womanizer and was probably having an inappropriate
relationship with the intern.

Frank

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 12:33:16 EDT
Subject: PTT ETC. (clubs)

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998 "Ray Burton" <Ray_Burton@usairways.com> wrote:

"For home defense I prefer my Winchester model 1897 trench gun..."

Now I know what happened to the one that lived in our ambulance in Phu Lam.

The original trench gun, which was issued to US troops in World War One, had
a lug which accepts a bayonet from the 1903 Springfield.  Ours did.  With a
bayonet mounted, your trench gun becomes an even more awesome looking thing.

Paul Donohue
Guns & Rovers
Denver




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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 06:52:05
Subject: Re: Spring Shackle Bolts, How tight should they be???

	I installed my new parabolics last week and have been driving around 
with
the shackle bolts loose to let the springs settle in.  That has been
accomplished so how should these bolts be.  Do you tighten them up so the
bushing pins are captive and any flex will have be taken up the rubber in
the bushing???  Do you leave them slightly loose so the shackles can pivot
and not twist the bushings???
	The parabolics work as advertised.  The suspension actually moves 
instead
of the frame flexing.  Has really cut down on the noise as the body work is
no longer required to adjust itself every time an imperfection is
encountered in the road.  Highly recommend the parabolics.  One problem is
that parabolics will bring to light preexisting problems.  I have bent
wheels and can now feel the vibration at speed from them that the stock
springs wouldn't transmit.  Now I have an excuse to spend more money on the
rover.
Aloha Peter

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 13:11:24 EDT
Subject: Re: RTV

In a message dated 05/09/98 03:26:57 BST, you write:

<< Room Temperature Vulcanising Silicone Rubber >>
so why ain't it RTVSR ?

In the UK RTV stands for Road Taxed Vehicle - we trial them and also call them
Land Rovers...

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 13:29:42 EDT
Subject: Re: PTT ETC. (clubs)

I have a Mossberg M-590, the current-issue trench gun:

8+1 capacity, speedfeed stock (holds 4 more rounds internally), barrel shroud,
sling points, AND that wonderful bayonet lug (for getting up close and
personal - if you run out of ammo). I prefer it to my Benelli M-3, because it
"fits" my 6'2" long-armed frame a little better. It just isn't quite as fast.
(the latter being semi-auto optional)

Charles

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 20:08:06 +0200
Subject: Re: 4W bang?

Art Bitterman wrote:
Be sure front hubs are locked before shifting into 4wd, if not things
will go bang!

Not that I have thought of trying this - but why will things go bang if
you engage 4WD with FWH's in 2WD?

I would have thought the mechanical effect of 4WD power to disengaged
FWH's would be more or less the same as 2WD - the front axle will turn,
but will have no way of engaging the hub.

Rather pointless, but i don't quite see the Bang. Am I missing something
here (probably)?

Adrian Redmond

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From: andy Smith <andy@bobstar.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 19:06:14 +0100
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

with regards which VW diesel lump do you wish to use, if it is the
straight six out of an LT do not do it they are rubbish.

-- 
andy Smith
1965 S2a V8 swb 
1971 S2a 2.25P swb
Tamworth Staffordshire

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 20:20:46 +0200
Subject: Re: Compression Questions (LONG-NO LR CONTENT)

Is adultery or oral sex a crime in the US?

He may have lied in court when asked about his relationship with ML) but
isn't it just as pervesre that he should have to account for his sexual
peccadillos to others that the consenting partner, his family and his
maker?

Who cares what he does in the office - it's "his" office, and when he
gets voted in, he sort of agrees to put in a "lot of overtime" over the
next four years - if he wants to roger a high school girls hockey team
on airforce one, its his affair - just as long as he does the job.

I can't handle this double morality - why do Americans expect their
president to be super-human. This guy (whether you like him or not)
hasn't had peace to do the job since the day he got elected -
investigations into his and hilary's investment dealings, paula jones,
monica levinsky, and his use of the telephone - maybe problem issues,
but peanuts aside the challenges which he was elected to face.

Maybe his political opponents should also respect the result of the
election, accept that according to the rules of the game, the great
unwashed have schosen Bill. C. to head the team for the next four years,
and let him get on with it - then judge him on results. This situation
where the vanquished of one election spend four years trying to unseat
the victor is a threatening devaluation of democracy.

With so many problems in the world, and ample problems within the US and
its sphere of interest, isn't it a little sad that so much money,
expertise and television time is dedicated to peeping under the
rpesidents duvée instead of relating to the big issues.

It sucks! (Somewhat appropriate faux-pas there...)

Adrian Redmond

CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
telephone (office)		    +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)		    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data		    +45 76 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)		    +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)		    +45 40 50 22 66
mobile NMT			    +45 30 86 75 66
e-mail			     channel6@post2.tele.dk
HoTMaiL (www.e-mail)	channel6denmark@hotmail.com

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From: trowe@ibm.net
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 98 14:39:16      
Subject: New Tires needed

I need to get some new tires for my 88. I could get my 20 year old Michelin
XC4's retreaded, or buy new. The advantage of retreading is that Bandag has
(or had) a tread that very nearly matched the XC4 and I have a spare that never 
saw 
the raod. But retreads are about $70US and I'm not sure it's worth it on tires 
that 
old.
I was looking at the Cooper Tire site and saw the Avon Rangemaster, Ranger MkII
and the Traction Mileage. The first and last said to be fitted OEM on Land 
Rover.
Does anyone have any experience with these? How do you like them for a mix of
road and off-road travel.
I need tires that will fit narrow rims as I have the two piece 16" rims. The
apealing thing about the Avon's is that they are available in 6ply which is 
about
the most I want to put on a Lightweight.
Anyone know of some other suitable tires out there available in Load Range C
(or 6ply)?

Tom Rowe
Madison, WI
trowe@ibm.net

Four wheel drive allows you to get
stuck in places even more inaccessible

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 15:48:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: New Tires needed

On Sat, 5 Sep 1998 trowe@ibm.net wrote:

> I need tires that will fit narrow rims as I have the two piece 16" rims. The
> apealing thing about the Avon's is that they are available in 6ply which is 
about
> the most I want to put on a Lightweight.
> Anyone know of some other suitable tires out there available in Load Range C
> (or 6ply)?

How narrow is narrow?  BFGoodrich sells a 215/70R16 All-terrain, suitable
for rims 5.5 to 7.0 inches in width.  The 7.50R16 Trac-edge, is also
suitable for 5.5 to 7 inch rims.  

David

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 10:51:37
Subject: Re: Why we love bill

Adrian:
	I can't disagree with you more.  This whole Monica thing is about the
ability to recognize and tell the truth.  Bill faced the nation and lied.
It is simply a revelation of his true character.
	Bill Clinton is a socio path who will do anything to attain and remain 
in
office.  His modus perandi is to dissemble the truth and destroy any one
who has the temerity to bring up the actual truth.  He has attempted to
demonize Ken Starr rather than answer the accusations against him.  Reagan
threw open the white house to the investigators on the Contra affair.  The
President has done just the opposite.  The only reason this thing has
dragged on is Clinton's effort to keep anything derogatory from getting out.  
	Richard Nixon was not brought down by Watergate but the effort to cover 
it
up.  The President will be brought down by the same thing.  Bill puts the
smiling face, I feel your pain, front to the public.  Behind the scenes he
is vicious and self serving as few other politicians have been.  His
handling of the travel office is a prime example of the man's tactics.  He
wanted to reward one of his long time supporters with the profits from the
travel office.  Something that all politicians do.  Clinton, hovever,
couldn't just fire them.  He had to destroy these poor unfortunate
individuals who had been doing nothing more than their jobs for over 10
years.  He brought the force of the office to bear against these people,
had their lives turned upside down by the FBI, had the Justice Department
bring fraud charges against them, and forced them to suffer the pain and
tremendous expense of a trial.  All because Clinton didn't want to take the
heat for a politically motivated change in personnel.  That is called abuse
of power.  Sad since there was little if any need for the abuse of power in
the first place.      
	His sex life, reprehensible as it is, is not the issue.  The issue is 
his
idea that truth is what he wants it to be and that he will do anything to
try and retain that facade.  Reassuring to have that type of personality
with his finger on the trigger of our nuclear arsenal.  Bill Clinton,
President of the USA and known Liar.
	Clinton has attempted to lead by following the polls.  That is not
leadership but the opposite.  He has managed to stay in power by usurping
the conservative agenda when it was convenient, bowing to the inevitable
when he couldn't avoid it and then claiming it as a victory.  His leanings
are definitely to the left but his few accomplishments seem to come from
the right.  His biggest failing is that he is very good at getting himself
elected but abysmal at helping his left leaning party.  His few initiatives
like the medical overhaul have been straight out of the European Socialist
Government traditions.  The American people have repudiated these concepts
at the polls.  Bill has remained personally popular with the voters but has
not been able to lead the people in the direction he wants them to go.  The
Democrats are in danger of suffering a crushing defeat in this years
congressional elections and have lost the governorships of every major
state, save one.  It is not leadership when no one follows.
	The Polls show that people approve of the job of governing but think 
that
he is a rat personally.  In short, the polls are a vote on the economy, not
on Clinton's performance.  The economy is the child of Greenspan, someone
Clinton did not appoint and whose policies were in place before Clinton
took office.  Fortunately, Clinton has been smart enough to leave the
economy alone or, for the most part prevented, from mucking with it.  As
far as other leadership initiatives, they have fallen flat with the people
and the opposing party.  The tobacco initiative is a prime example.
Puritans that we are, we are against tobacco.  The President would have had
no opposition if he truly would have been after the demon weed.  His
proposals was not an attack on tobacco, however, but a taxation program to
support the social welfare program he really wanted.  Those are not popular
programs in the US at the moment.
	Foreign policy is one place where a US President can most effectively
exert his leadership.  He once again has not been a leader.  The recent
missile attacks on supposed terrorist installations were not based on new
information nor were terrorist attacks themselves new or unanticipated.  We
have had much more devastating attacks on US personnel and Installations
under his administration without a response.  He apparently chose not to
make it a priority to deter these terrorists up until now.  I think the
polls once again coerced him into action.  Rather than doing the small,
plodding, consist ant pressure on these terrorists to make their lives
miserable, he chose the big display.  As much as I sympathize with the need
to do something, I'm afraid he's played into the Fundamentalist Islamic
Terrorists hand.  Not out of leadership, but an effort to LOOK like a leader.
	I'm a conservative and have been down on Bill from the beginning.  I
prefer to think that I have always seen him for what he is.  His sexual
peccadillos are finally making the rest of America see the true Bill.  He
has not been an effective leader because he doesn't know where he is going.
 This has made it easy, for us that don't agree with him, to keep his
occasional forays under control.  I actually think he has been good for the
conservative cause because he has been so ineffective.  The US is doing
well in spite of the President not because of him.    
	

>Who cares what he does in the office - it's "his" office, and when he
>gets voted in, he sort of agrees to put in a "lot of overtime" over the
>next four years - if he wants to roger a high school girls hockey team
>on airforce one, its his affair - just as long as he does the job.
 
	The oval bedroom is not Bill Clinton's Office but the office of the 
people
of the US.  He can screw around on his own time and in his own place.  If
the rumors are true, Clinton and Monica got together on our time, not
private time, and in areas where the business of the US is conducted.  To
do it on the presidential seal is an affront to every citizen of the nation.  

>I can't handle this double morality - why do Americans expect their
>president to be super-human. This guy (whether you like him or not)
>hasn't had peace to do the job since the day he got elected -
>investigations into his and hilary's investment dealings, paula jones,
>monica levinsky, and his use of the telephone - maybe problem issues,
>but peanuts aside the challenges which he was elected to face.

	Clinton doesn't have to be super human, he just has to be honest.  Using
the telephones to solicit business is small stuff but soliciting money from
agents of a foreign government is risky business.  Even if they did not
grant favors to these governments because of the contributions, it looks
like they have done so.  The reason Hilary and bill are being investigated
is because they have done things that are questionable.  I defy anybody to
tell me that Hilary made a $100,000 in commodities trading any other way
than because she was the wife of the governor.  In reality, these things
are called bribes.  We have a president who is a sexual predator.  Ask the
Republican Senator from Oregon what happens when the left hounds you for
less than what Bill has done. 

>Maybe his political opponents should also respect the result of the
>election, accept that according to the rules of the game, the great
>unwashed have schosen Bill. C. to head the team for the next four years,
>and let him get on with it - then judge him on results. This situation
>where the vanquished of one election spend four years trying to unseat
>the victor is a threatening devaluation of democracy.

Not the way things work in the US.  The President is not necessarily the
leader of the team.  Reagan was not the leader of the Democratic Congress.
Clinton has pretty much been repudiated as the leader of this team by the
election of the first Republican Majority in the legislature in 40 years.  

>With so many problems in the world, and ample problems within the US and
>its sphere of interest, isn't it a little sad that so much money,
>expertise and television time is dedicated to peeping under the
>rpesidents duvée instead of relating to the big issues.

If the underlying basics are sound, the big issues seem to take care of
themselves.  In Bill Clinton, we have a man who is seriously flawed.  Kind
of like a balloon with a happy face on it but inflated with methane gas.
Looks great but has an unpleasant when you get to the real nitty gritty.

>Adrian Redmond

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 11:05:05
Subject: Re: New Tires needed

I've been running 235/85/16's for years on 5.5" rims without a problem.
You even get slightly more ground clearance than 7.50/16's.  I'd still
prefer the Goodrich Tracy-Edge in 7.50/16 as they are a 1/2 inch narrower
than the 235/85/16 Mud Terrains.  Rovers just don't look right with fat
tires and the 235's are pushing my aesthetic limit.  Its good that fat is
not necessary.
Aloha Peter

At 03:48 PM 9/5/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On Sat, 5 Sep 1998 trowe@ibm.net wrote:
>> I need tires that will fit narrow rims as I have the two piece 16" rims.

The
>> apealing thing about the Avon's is that they are available in 6ply which
is about
>> the most I want to put on a Lightweight.
>> Anyone know of some other suitable tires out there available in Load
Range C

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From: Chris Browne <cbrowne@ici.net>
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 17:44:15 -0400
Subject: LRM on GP

Land Rover Monthly is in book stores in the UK, as the first magazine to
publish a story on the event.

Cover picture is a yellow with gray door Land Rover with NH plate. Can't
identify from this information whose it is. But will publish the plate as
soon as it arrives in the mail.

GP forms a major part of the issue. 

Nothing from LRW or LROI yet.

Chris

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From: "Bill Fishel" <bfishel@cisnet.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:01:00 -0400
Subject: SIIa bellhousing spare

Hi all
I found the bellhousing for a SIIa out back in the spares pile.
It's in good shape, no apparent cracks or broken bits.
I don't have any reason to keep it if somebody needs one.
I don't have any other SIIa parts or any of the tranny parts.

I didn't mention a price cause the only thing I ask is that you
 have a need for it. ( you pay the shipping is the only cost)

I'm located in N.E. Ohio if any one is interested e-mail me.
bfishel@cisnet.com

Bill Fishel

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 19:22:26 EDT
Subject: Re: Why we love bill

In a message dated 05/09/98 21:54:58 BST, you write:

<<  Bill faced the nation and lied. >>

That's the way a lot of us see it in the UK.
Remember Profumo? He didn't go because he has sex, he went because he lied to
parliament, ie the British people.

The very worst thing anyone in Parliament can say to another is that they
lied. Unless there is direct concrete proof (and I don't mean bending the
truth) then the Speaker will ask for, a receive, an apology.

Morals are an emotive issue, some of us reckon that Bill having a bit of nooky
made him more like a real person. But we cannot understand how he is still in
place having lied.

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 01:28:07 +0200
Subject: Why you love bill

OK Peter - I take your point - but then my rebuttal is simple -

Why the circus? Why the years of turning this into a soap-opera, the
ratings of which exceed the OJ show?

If Clinton is a rooen apple - why isn't he judged as such by his peers?

Most old world parliaments have a "parliamentary court" - a system by
which a majority of the house can impeach the first man and try him for
bringing his authority and office into disrepute. Such courts are used
sparingly - resembling as they do a sort of "Star chamber" reminiscent
of the spanish inquisition and Elizabethan england. But surely this is
better than the prime-time "Starr Chamber"?

For democracy to work - the people have to have faith in government and
those who hold office (I know that is your point). But the US way of
dealing with the Clinton problem undermines not only the sitting
president, but the very foundation of his office.

I think that the man is a brick short of a lorry-load - I am sure he's
shady - but I detest the circus which has grown up around this scandal -
as a journalist I am glad that I don't have to fight at the front on
this one.

The president is a powerful guy. Any parliamentary sanction designed to
remove him from office if he is found to be too shady in his morality
and dealings which takes longer than the term of office is self
defeating. It needs action.

I am just sad to see your nation going through this, and sad to see so
many people hopping onto this bandwagon.

Thanks for your enganged and enlightening reply!

Adrian Redmond

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 01:37:59 +0200
Subject: Hi frank!

Glad to see that there is life at Elson towers at this time of night!

Profumo is a good case in point - when Mandy Rice Davies was asked by
the press "But John Profumo denied having an affair with you" she
replied "Yes - well he would wouldn't he?"

That was my point. At present the democracy of America is tearing itself
apart having gone into self destruct mode (with surround sound). The US
is spending millions on pursuing what and English call girl once summed
up as "blatently obvious" - of course he lied - who wouldn't.

OK they guy lied to the nation, but how many Americans would take the
stand, and wash their dirty linen in public?

It's a matter of what one expects - is it really about lying - in which
case presidential candidates should be chosen on the basis of the
likeliehood that they are dumb enough to a. Get laid outside their
marriage. b. get caught and c. admit it.

Is that the sort of guy they want running the country.

Seems to me that his peers should have drawn the line much ealier,
instead of leaving the unpleasent job to the tv stations and gutter
press.

Adrian Redmond

CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 19:49:30 EDT
Subject: Exhaust manifold refit question

Hi all,

What kind of joining compound can be used to remount the exhaust manifold? Is
RTV ok?  Use the same stuff on inlet joint washers or leave them plain?

Thanks

Nate

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 20:11:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold refit question

Re: joint compound:

None - use a full gasket, and loosen the mount between the intake and
exhaust before you mount it. Tighten the intake/exhaust joint after you
mount and snugh the manifolds - it allows everyone to seat properly before
you put torque on the fasteners.

               ajr

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 20:08:04 EDT
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold refit question

In a message dated 9/5/98 8:02:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com writes:

<< None - use a full gasket, and loosen the mount between the intake and
 exhaust before you mount it. >>

Hi Al,

You mean don't use the new style (inlet only) gaskets?

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 19:15:00 -0700
Subject: Re: 4W bang?

Adrian Redmond wrote:

>> Be sure front hubs are locked before shifting into 4wd, if not things
>> will go bang!
> Not that I have thought of trying this - but why will things go bang if
> you engage 4WD with FWH's in 2WD?
> I would have thought the mechanical effect of 4WD power to disengaged
> FWH's would be more or less the same as 2WD - the front axle will turn,
> but will have no way of engaging the hub.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
> Rather pointless, but i don't quite see the Bang. Am I missing something
> here (probably)?
	If you're missing something, I am too. I have put my truck in both 4-hi
and 4-low on quite a few occasions and no bang yet. Maybe it depends on
the type of hub for some reason. Art enlighten us before we have 4x2
Rovers.

Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser 1966 88"

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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:30:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Events

Two events in two very diferent places that I wanted to mention to everyone...

British Cars at Hartwood in Pittsburgh Pa. on Sept 20th.  A great event
that I've been to for the last few years.   Call Don at 412-653-5796 or
Butch 412-337-0814 for more info.

Colorado English Motoring Conclave in Denver Colorado on Sept 19th and 20th
I'm new in town and haven't been to this one yet, but I've heard alot of
great things about it.
Call Gary 303-534-0518 Days
or Rod 303-337-6866 Evenings

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
				Dennis Miller

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 00:13:44 +1000
Subject: Red Dwarf (No LR content)

Charles wrote:
>Adrian, I didn't know that you're a Brit...what's the latest scoop on Red
Dwarf? -)

Charles - join the Red Dwarf list.  My daughter is on it That's how I know
it exists.

reddwarf@lists.pipex.com

 Personally, I'm not an RD fan.  Dr Who? That's different.

Robert Llewellyn's address is kryten@llew.co.uk

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 00:02:05 +1000
Subject: secret low cost rover upgrade

Peter Ogilvie wrote:
>I was weed whacking over at the plantation and didn't out my ear plugs

This shows how language differs enough even between English speaking
countries.

Weed - tobacco, grass, marijuana

Whacking - something boys do in the privacy of their own rooms

Hmm, so Peter was stoned and was playing with himself.

Or have I missed something?

Ron

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 20:38:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold refit question

On Sat, 5 Sep 1998 NADdMD@aol.com wrote:

> Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com writes:
> << None - use a full gasket, and loosen the mount between the intake and
>  exhaust before you mount it. >>
> You mean don't use the new style (inlet only) gaskets?

I had a exhaust manifold gasket fail earlier this summer.  This supplied
an oxygen source for the unburned fuel in the exhaust, which of course
results in combustion.  This in turn resulted in the collander-like valve
that Al was mentioning the other day.  

Despite this, I think that a gasket gives you a little more lee way in how
tight your manifold bolts have to be before you have a leak.

David

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From: Michael Carradine <mc@landrover.net>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:38:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Why you love bill - no LR content

At 01:28 AM 9/6/98 +0200, Adrian Redmond wrote:
>I am just sad to see your nation going through this, and sad to
>see so many people hopping onto this bandwagon.

 It's sad that the Clinton dribble has invaded the sanctum
 of the Land Rover list.  Personally I don't care if Clinton
 lied on a personal question.  It should never have been asked
 of a President or anyone else.  The act of the subject is not
 illegal, the players were consenting adults, Lowenski did not
 regret it or she would have sued Clinton.  Frankly, it's none
 of our business.  It's pathetic a prosecutor is let loose on
 this type of investigation and does not have the common sense
 to back off.  The US and particularly the Washington press corps
 ought to get their head out of the gutter and keep the eye on
 the ball, ie for one, the Russian economy and thousands of
 nuclear weapons on the loose.  Let's get on with a real subject.

 With too much time on my hands,

-Michael Carradine 

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 20:43:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: secret low cost rover upgrade

On Sun, 6 Sep 1998, The Becketts wrote:

> Peter Ogilvie wrote:
> >I was weed whacking over at the plantation and didn't out my ear plugs
> This shows how language differs enough even between English speaking
> countries.

> Weed - tobacco, grass, marijuana
> Whacking - something boys do in the privacy of their own rooms
> Hmm, so Peter was stoned and was playing with himself.

> Or have I missed something?
Weed and whack both mean that here too.  A weed whacker is a powered weed
cutter.  It might even be a trademark.  It has nylon string on the end of
a stick, which spins round and cuts weeds, but doesn't fling as many rocks
and sticks as a blade would.  I am sure you have them in Oz.  

David

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 21:42:51
Subject: weapons

A good Louis Ville slugger is a fine close in weapon, but give me a 12 bore
with 3.5" magnums loaded with rock salt. I don't really want to kill the
buggers, I just like to hear them in agony and more agony as the surgeon
TRIES to remove the Gizillon pieces of salt.
I learned this from U.S.A.F. security troops "in country" 1966-1967.

Jim Wolf

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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 18:47:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Frames etc.

Has anyone else on the list given serious thought to putting an Ex-MOD
coiler frame under a 109?  I keep thinking about the following ad that Dick
Graham runs every month in LRO..."Rolling Chassis, power steerin, air
conditioning, Salisbury axle fron and rear, vented discs and fwd control
rims, ex MOD" for what would convert to a price of $4,000 U.S. Dollars.
This seems like it would be a good deal for just the frame, axle set and
wheels.  Never mind that fact it also has and engine & tranny.  I'm just
thinking out loud here so if anyone has any rain for my parade please speak
up.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
				Dennis Miller

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:02:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold refit question

Re: New-style gaskets:

They are a nice idea on a relatively new set of mating surfaces - they'll
work great in manufacture and for years after that, but Mother Nature is
not going to keep all those amting surfaces pristine forever.....

Personally, I'm a suspenders-and-belt type (yes, I mean Binders in the UK
and not what you evil chaps are thinking.....) - I use the older-style
gaskets because i don't feel i can guarantee the integrity of the mating
surfaces.

As always, YMMV - I just don't like metal-to-metal contact, especially of
an aluminium manifold on a cast-iron head.

                         Alan

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 21:07:00 -0500
Subject: RE: Frames etc.

I thinking the same thing.  Now that I have my 109 Series II running
smoothly with a new Turner, I am mounting up my dogs boxes and getting
ready to read out to the prairie to get some early season training on
Sharptail grouse and Hungarian Partridge.  Then it is back to Minnesota
for ruffed grouse in preparation for the Wisconsin and Minnesota grouse
championships, the Lake state grouse championship and then out to New
Hampshire for the Grand National.  

Dog training on the prairie is a whole lot easier with a horse and the
concept of having a 6.2 liter diesel or some such, with four way disc
brakes and coiler suspension sounds appealing.  I have a rebuilt 109
frame rolling that I will be putting a SW in the next year. But I am
dreaming of taking another 109 that awaits out in the barn with bad
engine and fully oxidixed frame ( :"It's better to burn out than to fade
away,Rust never sleeps") and put it on a coiler chassis with discs and a
diesel.  We'll see.

So how loud would it be inside a 109 with a TDi diesel or some such with
the defender 5 speed tranny  Louder that Series petrol or more subdued?

cwolfe

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 22:36:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Con Rod nuts no longer nyloks.

Peter,

As far as the quality of off-the-shelf nylocks...not the shelves I buy off,
me bucko.....<grin>

Seriously, you can get different grades of nylocks if you go to a good
hardware supplier and not the local retailers. I tend to use GR. 5 or
better as a minimum - more than adequate for this application.

As far as what you have, I'll lay long odds that what they've supplied you
is a locking nut - which means that it's been distorted after threading.
This way, it latches on to the threads of the bolt - but also distorts
those selfsame threads. Look for a square or hexagonal punch one one flat
of the nuts - that's where they distorted it.

I don't care for 'em - nylocks are less destructive in the long run - and I
always take the very long look when I do anything on Mr. C.

Thanks for the heads-up, though - I appreciate the info on the changes.

                    Alan

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From: WORKMEISTR@aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 23:31:30 EDT
Subject: Under center seat storage box cover needed

Hi, Folks,
  I have the top off the 88" and am in need of some more lockable storage.
Would anyone have a lid that covers the under-center-seat storage bin?  It is
different than the normal one that you would use without the center tray.
Thanks for your help, Bren.

Bren Workman
109 Dublinsky St.
Ft. Benning, GA 31905
(706) 689-2934
'72 88"  "Tilly"
'65 109" SW  "Baldwin"
'90 RR (as yet unnamed)

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 17:41:35
Subject: Re: Frames etc.

Those are supposedly the frames from under the armored rovers used in
Northern Ireland.  Probably have had a bit of abuse and certainly are
sprung for the extra weight of the armored vehicle and may even have super
low gearing.  May not be such a good deal, then again at that price you
don't have to get too many good pieces to pay for the deal.
Aloha Peter

At 06:47 PM 9/5/98 -0700, you wrote:

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From: "Franklin H. Yap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 21:14:59 -0700
Subject: Re: New Tires needed

David Scheidt wrote:

> How narrow is narrow?  BFGoodrich sells a 215/70R16 All-terrain, suitable
> for rims 5.5 to 7.0 inches in width.  The 7.50R16 Trac-edge, is also
> suitable for 5.5 to 7 inch rims.

You can also get Dunlop Radial Rover RTs in 215/85R16.

Frank

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From: "P. Daub" <pdaub@namibnet.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 06:10:14 +0100

subscribe

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From: "Franklin H. Yap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 22:28:15 -0700
Subject: Re: Compression Questions (LONG-NO LR CONTENT)

WARNING - NO LR CONTENT - MORE DRIBBLE ABOUT THE PRESIDENT's AFFAIR
Normally I don't bother but I'm home this weekend.

Adrian Redmond wrote:

> Is adultery or oral sex a crime in the US?

Not that I know of.  (In certain states certain types of sex acts are crimes
- usually targeted against gays.)

> He may have lied in court when asked about his relationship with ML) but
> isn't it just as pervesre that he should have to account for his sexual
> peccadillos to others that the consenting partner, his family and his
> maker?

Not really. You have to understand why those questions could be relevant.
The questions arose in the lawsuit filed by Paula Jones regarding sexual
harassment.  The president allegedly asked her to perform oral sex some time
ago and she decided to sue when he became president.  The lawsuit was backed
by the president's political opponents.

Sexual harassment can be a  real problem.  It can also, like many lawsuits
filed in the US, be a means to generate income to the plaintiff and the
lawyer. In the litigation-crazy US, for about $120 (or whatever the filing
fee is) and a properly drafted complaint you can tie up someone in
litigation for years. (I actually know of a woman who is suing her former
boss for sexual harassment - he was offensive, she really didn't like
working, and she is waiting for a settlement offer so she can get on with an
acting career.  People like her makes employers cringe.)

Without going into the merits of Ms. Jones' lawsuit (it was dismissed and
from what I have read, if true, was offensive but did not appear to be
sexual harassment), it is understandable that for a true sexual harassment
lawsuit the alleged perpetrator's sexual behaviour towards others may be
relevant.  (Note, for purposes of trial the evidence may be limited but in a
deposition there is wide latitude, i.e., you can ask questions in
depositions that you would not be able to ask in a trial.)

Your complaint really goes to issues unrelated to this particular
president.  The US judicial system allowed the circus to take place.  The
court could restrict the types of questions that can be asked.  The courts
can restrict the types of lawsuits that can be filed.  They have not done so
and this has only served to encourage lawsuits. (The public typically blames
the lawyers for the lawsuits BUT the lawsuits would not occur if individuals
didn't bring 'em and courts did not allow them.)

In this particular case, the court could have stopped the process at two
junctions:  (1) Ms. Jones should not have been able to state a complaint for
sexual harassment based on the facts she claimed. (Again, assuming
everything she claimed was true, the president's conduct was offensive but
did not constitute sexual harassment and the case should have been tossed.)
(2)  Even if the president's conduct was sexual harassment, the trial should
have been postponed until after his term expired so the country would not be
facing this existing circus.  The circus should be taking place when the
president leaves the office.

> ...  investigations into his and hilary's investment dealings, paula
> jones,
> monica levinsky, and his use of the telephone - maybe problem issues,
> but peanuts aside the challenges which he was elected to face.
> Maybe his political opponents should also respect the result of the
> election, accept that according to the rules of the game, the great
> unwashed have schosen Bill. C. to head the team for the next four years,
> and let him get on with it - then judge him on results.

This may be the real issue.  (The above is the technicality that allows this
issue to take place.)  Having spent a reputed $40+ million and coming up
empty - whitewatergate, travelgate, hiliarygate, paulagate, etc. - the
prosecutor needs something.  This issue is better than nothing.  (Could you
imagine spending $40 million plus without having anything to show? .. could
buy an awful lot of LRs))

> This situation
> where the vanquished of one election spend four years trying to unseat
> the victor is a threatening devaluation of democracy.

No .. No .. No.  This is the American way (and probably the way of many
democracies).  By attacking the president this helps his opponents when the
next election comes around.  Moreover, you then associate his fellow party
members with his conduct as you try to unseat them.

> With so many problems in the world, and ample problems within the US and
> its sphere of interest, isn't it a little sad that so much money,
> expertise and television time is dedicated to peeping under the
> rpesidents duvée instead of relating to the big issues.
> It sucks! (Somewhat appropriate faux-pas there...)
> election, accept that according to the rules of the game, the great

How true! ($40M+ for the prosecutor .. multi-millions for the defense,
witnesses, journalists, tabloids, etc. - and I hear tell there are people
living in poverty in the US)

Frank

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 01:47:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Compression Questions (LONG-NO LR CONTENT) 

Frank Yap wrote:

WARNING - NO LR CONTENT - MORE DRIBBLE ABOUT THE PRESIDENT's AFFAIR

> > Is adultery or oral sex a crime in the US?
> Not that I know of.  (In certain states certain types of sex acts are crimes
> - usually targeted against gays.)

	It depends upon the State.  (I couldn't find District of Columbia's 
laws on line, but..)

	In the State of New York adultery ("engages in sexual intercourse
with another person at a time when he has a living spouse, or the other
person has a living spouse") is a class B misdemeanor.  (Section 255.17
of NY penal code).   In NY "sexual intercourse" is defined as penitration
(section 130.00). Oral Sex is defined in that same section as "deviate
sexual intercourse".  Section 130.38 states that a person is guilty of
consensual sodomy "when he engages in deviate sexual intercourse with another
person."   Again this a class B misdemeanor.    

	In New York State a Misdemeanor is defined in Chapter 1030, part 1, 
Article 10, Section 4 to be an office that is punishable by more than 15 
days in jail, but less than 1 year.   Section 6 also defines it to be 
a crime.  Now in Chapter 1030, Part 2, Section 70.15.2 a class B 
misdemeaner is defined as a definite sentence that is not to exceed 
3 months inprisonment.

	Now in California I couldn't find any applicable laws.  Adultery is 
only mentioned once and that is in the case where two people are not
legally allowed to marry.  And oral sex is only menioned when forcably
enacted.

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 03:22:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Red Dwarf (No LR content)

Thanks, Ron.

Yes, I am a fan of Tom Bakers' Dr. Who, as well.

Charles

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From: "Piet Fourie : pah@saao.ac.za" <pah@saao.ac.za>
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 10:09:41 +0200 (SAT)
Subject: Re: 4W bang?

> Be sure front hubs are locked before shifting into 4wd, if not things
> will go bang!

I engage 4wd hi or lo  quite often under high loads on hills without
locking the front hubs.  Also on tarmac it does not damage the tranny.

Piet

P.A.H. Fourie   ( pah@saao.ac.za )
South African Astronomical Observatory.
P.O. Box 25 Sutherland 6920 South Africa.
Tel 023 5711135. Fax 023 5711413

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 05:28:10 EDT
Subject: Re: Why you love bill

Adrian,

As far as the "circus" goes regarding Clinton, hey - the news media is simply
doing their job of reporting news, and Mr. Starr, is simply doing his job as a
lawyer. Since these two jobs are amongst the sleaziest in the world, of course
Clinton is going to get some long overdue mud thrown in his direction. (you
work for a television station, so you know how it is) You can't say that he
didn't deserve it, seeing how he blatantly lied to all those involved, for so
long. Had he said something oh, say, about 8 months earlier, then he may have
fared better.

As for his being elected in the first place - I guess you can say that I
INDIRECTLY played a part in this - being an Independant (my candidate not
making it...), but even so, he put on a good sales pitch - just what the news
media in this country likes. The people that actually voted for him failed to
take a good look at his history, and those that did, were branded as
"Republican traitors" by the Clinton-friendly media. Most of those that he won
over, were college kids, and kids just out of high school, that didn't yet
have the "street smarts" to take a good look at him. I personally don't care
who he did in his office - or how many times, but he spends more time blaming
his problems on people that had nothing to do with them! He has made the USA
an embarrassment in the international community, and the media is FINALLY
beginning to turn on him as well (albeit reluctantly) to save face.

To me, it doesn't matter what political party he's with - I live in a
Democratic dominated state (California), that always seems to have Republicans
at the top offices, and they never argue as much as Clinton does with
Congress, so I don't believe that the whole mess was caused by political
opposition, and if it was, then it was most likely caused by his own partys'
desire to get him out of the picture, before he ruins their image any more
than he has!

He could have halted the bandwagon before it got moving, but he chose not to,
and THAT is his problem, and it has become our problem. But, the investigation
can't stop now - not after all the tax money spent on it (you'd have another
riot), because then people would begin to wonder A. How many people has he
paid off, and B. Why doesn't justice work with him, as well as the rest of us?

Charles

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