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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:18:14 EDT
Subject: Re: How do you set headlights?

The way I used to do it, was to park my car about 40 feet from a wall (on
level ground, of course), and set the beams about 3 feet off the deck.

Nowadays, I use the handy-dandy headlight adjustment tool, purchased at Trak
Auto, a few years ago. Works great.

Charles

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:25:16 EDT
Subject: Stuck Slotted Screws on the Geabox Topcover

Hi all,
Any suggestions on how to remove the 2 slotted screws on the gearbox top cover
(where the second gear stop adjusting bolt is)?  I've tried heat, heat and
penetrating oil, more penetrating oil, impact screw driver, swearing and a
combination of all three.   I don't like to try easy outs myself (too much
risk of complicating the situation--BTDT too many times).  

Any other ideas before I stop by the machine shop?

Thanks
Nate

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From: "David R. Bobeck"<dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:12:27 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: Color for trop roof? 

>How about aluminium details which are left nonpainted on the body? I have 
>seen pictures of cars with and without such unpainted details. I mean the 
>aluminium around the tail lamps and such.

also would have been galvanised steel. the body cappings on the tub and the top 
edge of the door bottom too. and the windscreen, and just about all the other 
stell bits except for the toolbox, frame, firewall, and breakfast. 
the rivets can be drille dout and they can be removed and sent off for 
regalvanising if necessary, or you could try stripping them on the car, just 
cover the body paint so you don't ruin it.

later
dave

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:06:32 -0500
Subject: RE: Dwell - Timing

 In regards to timinig, which is advance and which is retard.  To my
mind, advance would be firing that occurs at increasing degrees before
top dead center.  Retard would be closer and closer to TDC.  Is this
correct?

cwolfe

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:13:16 EDT
Subject: Re: Dwell - Timing

In a message dated 9/2/98 10:10:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CWolfe@smdc.org
writes:

<< In regards to timinig, which is advance and which is retard.  To my
 mind, advance would be firing that occurs at increasing degrees before
 top dead center.  Retard would be closer and closer to TDC.  Is this
 correct? >>

And for us simple minded ones:  Turning the Dizzy clockwise retards? and
Counter-clockwise advances?  

Nait

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:17:46 EDT
Subject: Fwd: Stuck Slotted Screws on the Geabox Topcover

Sending again...it seems it may have been eaten by AOL....

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:32:55 EDT
Subject: Exhaust manifold Genuine vs Aftermarket

Hi all,

Anyone used the LR Supermarket aftermarket exhaust manifold?  Any problems
with aftermarket exhaust manifolds in general?

Nate

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From: "David R. Bobeck"<dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 10:49:12 -0500
Subject: Re: loose hub caps 

        >>Is there a trick to getting a loose hub cap tight?

        
technically you are supposed to replace them every time you have them off but 
for a group that can't even replace a silly cotter pin, it really isn't 
feasible. I haven't had any trouble gettin gmine to stay put, but I imagine 
that making a few dimples with a center punch on the outer surface of the hub 
flange would create enough of an interference fit to make it hold. spread some 
blue locitite on there for extra holding power. Same trick worked to keep the 
frisky little adapter ring for the weber carb in place.

later
daveb

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From: "chris risely" <risely@mailexcite.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 07:42:51 -0700
Subject: Series 1 gearsets

I'm looking for information on the availability of LOWER ratio gears for the 
early S1 heavy duty axles. My current axles sport ENV part numbers on the 
gears, 
and I have been told that their were ratio's of both 5.26:1 and 5.57:1 
available for the ENV axles (for the early 1 tons, and forward control models). 
Does 
anyone know of the availability of these gearsets? Also I have heard a whisper 
of an even lower 6.125:1 gearset being available in the UK from an aftermarket 
supplier: if anyone knows of these gears, or of any other low ratio gearsets 
for the S1 axles, please let me know how to contact the suppliers. My vehicle 
is 
heavily modified, and the lower ratio gears are as much for on-road 
driveability, as for off-road traction. For full details on the modifications, 
please check 
out my club web site at http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/1236, the 
specifications are listed under the authors rig column.
Anyone with information please e-mail me back direct to risely@mailexcite.com.
   Many Thanks
   Chris Risely
   DeWinton
   Alberta
   Canada

Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere!
http://www.mailexcite.com

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 17:02:03 +0200
Subject: Re: Stuck Slotted Screws on the Geabox Topcover

Hi nate,

If all else fails, try welding a small metal item (washer or bolt) to
the head of the screw - the welding heat should loosen the screw - take
it out, and repair/replace the screw afterwards.

Good luck

Adrian Redmond

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 98 08:10:45 -0700
Subject: Re: loose hub caps

>	Is there a trick to getting a loose hub cap tight?
;
They are supposed to be a tight friction fit. My problem has always been 
getting the bloody things off.  

It looks like ether your caps are streached or the outside of your axle 
flanges are badly worn.  I would guess the caps are streached.  They are 
inexpensive new so you might spring for a new set.

Even a tight fitting cap will leak oil if oil is getting past the felt 
washer at the end of the axle shaft.  One trick that Scotty tought me for 
dry wheels is to put a bead of RTV on the surface there the cap fits over 
the flange before assembly.  It really works.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: "David R. Bobeck"<dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 10:54:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Poly vs Standard bushes 

aftermarket/genuine springs.
all crap. you never can tell. I know people who have had genuine springs from 
RN fail dismally after five years. Also AB springs tend to go flat after a 
saomewhat shorter duration. go Parabolic, or get a decent set of 2nd regular 
springs. hard to tell fi they're any good till you put em on though.

polybushes. got em. (OME) can't complain, easy to change. less likely to fail 
than rubber. probly not much difference in the ride though. In the sporting 
world polybushes are made to deflect less and therefore offer a stiffer 
suspension feel and better handling.
In the rover world they just seem to make things easier and probably have a 
longer life since they are impervious to solvents and oils and I think they 
probalby can rebound more time before they crack.

later
dave

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:10:27 EDT
Subject: Re: Stuck Slotted Screws on the Geabox Topcover

In a message dated 9/2/98 11:02:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
channel6@post2.tele.dk writes:

<< If all else fails, try welding a small metal item (washer or bolt) to
 the head of the screw - the welding heat should loosen the screw - take
 it out, and repair/replace the screw afterwards. >>

Excellent idea!  the real problem is getting sufficient torque on the screw.

Thanks
Nate

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From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 08:11:58 -0700
Subject: Re: Dwell - Timing

NADdMD@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 9/2/98 10:10:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CWolfe@smdc.org
> writes:
> << In regards to timinig, which is advance and which is retard.  To my
>  mind, advance would be firing that occurs at increasing degrees before
>  top dead center.  Retard would be closer and closer to TDC.  Is this
>  correct? >>
> And for us simple minded ones:  Turning the Dizzy clockwise retards? and
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
> Counter-clockwise advances?
> Nait

 I don't know about your distributor, but the rotor in mine spins
counterclockwise. So turning the body of my distributor clockwise advances
ignition timing.

Tom

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 17:19:08 +0200
Subject: TW loose hub caps

TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
Even a tight fitting cap will leak oil if oil is getting past the felt
washer at the end of the axle shaft.  One trick that Scotty tought me
for dry wheels is to put a bead of RTV on the surface there the cap fits
over the flange before assembly. 

Hi TA

What's RTV?

cheers

Adrian Redmond

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 98 08:23:19 -0700
Subject: Re: PTT ETC. (clubs)

 Baseball bats are low caliber.  Try a handle from a removable handle 
pick axe.  Not only hefty but it has a steel jacket around the tip.  It 
can do double duty by helping get you through situations where you could 
not ordinarilly drive.
;
><<  just buy an aluminum baseball bat, >>
;>dunno about USlaws but if we (UK) carry a baseball bat without a ball, 
it is
;>an offensive weapon and we can be nicked (UK for arrested). However, 
carry a
;>tennis ball or whatever as well and we're ok. 
;>The Law is a wot???
;>
;>Best Cheers
;>
;>Frank

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: "Dr. Gary.A.Bauer" <bauerg@iafrica.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:12:54 +0200
Subject: New Member

Hi All
This is just a short message to introduce myself as a new ZA member of the
list.   Live in Cape Town and have a 1975 Series III SWB petrol, and a 1949
Series I 80".

Look forward to all the news from around the world, and would like to thank
those who helped me subscribe.

Regards
Gary Bauer

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From: "David R. Bobeck"<dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 11:30:11 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: Bronze Greens 

>Whaddya wanna bet the paint store clerk was Joe Brown? Or maybe it was that 
>former mountaineer and *alpinist*, Mr. White...

that's *Mrs.* White, in the parlor with Colonel Mustard, and the candlestick...

later
dave

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 98 08:42:04 -0700
Subject: Re: TW loose hub caps

>TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:
;>Even a tight fitting cap will leak oil if oil is getting past the felt
;>washer at the end of the axle shaft.  One trick that Scotty tought me
;>for dry wheels is to put a bead of RTV on the surface there the cap fits
;>over the flange before assembly. 

;>Hi TA

;>What's RTV?

;>cheers

;>Adrian Redmond

Hi Adrian
Up late at night again I see.  Are you sure that you are not a vampire or 
something?  I'm not sure that you have ever sent an e-mail during your 
daylight hours. But it is nice to be able to chat real time.

RTV is an accronym for Room Temperature Vulcanizing

It covers a family of rubber like sealents that comes in a tube.  It is 
generally used to seal gaskets or replace gaskets.  It comes in several 
colours and temperature classifications.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 98 09:03:08 -0700
Subject: I got this itch

This morning I started packing for my trip to Portland.  I figure five 
nights on this trip.  It will be one of my shortest trips this year and 
comes about a month after I got back on my run from California to New 
York and back for the Greek Peak LR meet.

I got out the chase lounge pad that is my Wolf Hound's bed when on the 
trail.  She took one sniff and layed down on it as I was gathering stuff.

First load out to the Green Rover and she was excited and ready to be 
back on the trail.  As I was walking out to the car I felt a lightness 
and a smile.  I have been home a whole month and was ready and eager to 
be back on the trail.  As I load the car I have to keep reminding myself 
that this is just a short 5 day run and not to pack the usual amount of 
stuff.  As it turns out I still have enough to stay in the field 
indefinitly.  

What has happened to me?  I used to be a home girl who seldom went 
anywhere other than work related trips.  Owning a dairy heard that needed 
milking twice a day every day did that to me.  Well the dairy goats are 
sold  and I have developed this itch to be on the trail.

I "finished" the expedition conversion to the Green Rover a year ago just 
before last year's Portland all British field meet.  When I return from 
this meet I will have been on the trail living in my Dormobile conversion 
for a total of 20 weeks during the past year.

Packing the car and doing the final checks is like scratching a deep itch 
 It feels so right.

Sigh, how can I keep me down on the farm when my Rover, my hound and I 
all have an itch?

Well I need to get out & finish the packing so I can cet back home on the 
trail

To those going to Portland, see ya soon!

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:02:10 EDT
Subject: Re: HOT/COLD cable and levers

What's all this nonesense about heater controle cables? Are you all going
soft?
The best system by far is the one I use. Half inch rotary steam valve plumbed
into the heater circuit, under the bonnet. I just have to decide before I
drive if the heater will be required or not. Probably get more heat from the
exhaust through the floor anyway :-)

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid
+ Rolling RR chassis (awaiting the right body)

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 12:02:02 EDT
Subject: Re: HOT/COLD cable and levers

What's all this nonesense about heater controle cables? Are you all going
soft?
The best system by far is the one I use. Half inch rotary steam valve plumbed
into the heater circuit, under the bonnet. I just have to decide before I
drive if the heater will be required or not. Probably get more heat from the
exhaust through the floor anyway :-)

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid
+ Rolling RR chassis (awaiting the right body)

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From: Russell Dushin <dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 12:38:42 -0400
Subject: Re: PTT ETC. (clubs)

TeA wrote (??!!??):

Baseball bats are low caliber.  Try a handle from a removable handle
pick axe.  Not only hefty but it has a steel jacket around the tip.  It
can do double duty by helping get you through situations where you could

not ordinarilly drive.

I've got one of these...it's a WWI or WWII Brit Army surplus trench
digging
tool.  Certainly could hurt someone with it, but frankly, I'd rather
flee than fight
(being all of 135 lbs but fast on foot...).  Besides, it ain't no match
for gunpowder...
I keep it behind the seat as a useful tool, or just to use in a sandbox
should I come
across one.  Allright, I'd also use it to beat the crap out of some punk
that chose
to paint his name on the outcroppings of my favorite hillsides...

But TeA, methinks it's time to change the .sig:

(being all of 135 lbs but fast on foot...).  Besides, it ain't no match
TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW -
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create

beauty wherever you go.
(being all of 135 lbs but fast on foot...).  Besides, it ain't no match

How's about "Swing a pick axe handle wherever you go on earth and all
her
creatures will get the hell out of your way"??

rd/nige

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:38:55 -0500
Subject: LaSalle trim

Does anyone know at what adress was the www-page of LaSalle trim located?
I had it but lost it.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 15:10:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Power for Kenlow fan on 110

Endersby, Gordon wrote:
> Can anyone suggest the best place to connect the 12volt feed for a
> Kenlow electric fan ?
> I can not get a manual for the 110 2.25 petrol station wagon. So I 
> Idealy I would like to wire it into the existing fuse box.
> If I attach it to say a lighting circuit, Could I just increase the fuse

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> rating ?
> Gordon Endersby
  Do Not connect your fan to any lighting circuit as the wiring is only
just heavy enough to do its job any way. The Best place to connect is at
the solenoid connection and use an inline fuse for protection. If you
want it to turn off with the ignition switch you should use a relay that
is triggered by the ignition switch and powered from the solenoid
connection. This not a difficult job.
   John and Muddy

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From: Casey McMullen <st93wxta@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:06:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: LR books from Amazon.com

Does anyone know if Amazon.com is for real on their listings of 
Land-Rover books?  They seem amazingly cheap, has anyone gotten them or 
do you just sit on backorder?

Title				Amazon	Typical LR Parts House
Series II Workshop pt.I & II	$100	$126-$170
Series III Parts Catalogue	$35	$96-$120

I saw these at http://www.gvtc.com/~outback/bookstore/

thanks,
Casey M
'72 sIII 88
casey@drexel.edu
http://httpsrv.ocs.drexel.edu/undergrad/st93wxta/

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 15:20:44 -0400
Subject: Re: LaSalle trim

Luis Manuel Gutierrez wrote:
> Does anyone know at what adress was the www-page of LaSalle trim 

Manuel;
>Several postings regarding Lasalle here in the last month or so I suggest you 
check the archives
Rgds
Steve Bradke

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:20:54 EDT
Subject: Re: LR books from Amazon.com

Been there, done that, got the books - good prices, good service.  They list
and ship what's advertised.  If it shows "Usually ships in XXXX hours/days" on
the screen, it does.  Longest I've waited was a week and a half for a non-
Rover book that was listed as being in limited quantity.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 21:30:45 +0200
Subject: Re: TW loose hub caps

Hi TA,

Call this late (HOWL!!!) it was 18:00 when I answered your mail - just
finished work - it's only quarter after nine now!

Plenty of time yet.

Room temperature vampirising? Who me?

Adrian Redmond

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From: "Hastelow, Simon - DM/NT" <simon.hastelow@dailymail.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 98 21:25:00 PDT
Subject: Re: LaSalle trim

Their web address is

www.lasalle-trim.co.uk

e-mail

lasalle.trim@virgin.net

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:42:48 +0200
Subject: Re: LaSalle website

<grouch mode on>

The La Salle website must be the slowest website which i have visited in
yonks! And the tinny music - aaaarrrrggghhhhh!

Also a pity that the pictures are so small - hardly any detail even on
my 17" screen.

As someone who makes websites professionally - I was disappointed!

<grouch mode cancel>

having said that - the products look nice, the idea is appealing, and
the prices seem very reasonable. Has anyone tried this?

This could be an idea for my 110 rebuild next year....

Did I say rebuild? next year? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrgggghhhhhh!

cheers

Adrian Redmond

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:49:58 +0200
Subject: Organic solvents (Xylene)

I missed the posting on xylene from Alan Bishop - but having used this
stuff in moderate quantities, and having always experienced slight
headaches and ghandi's revenge when using them, I was interested in the
thread.

I always use a filter mask - not piped fresh air, but a filter suitable
for filtering organic solvents. I usually have the workshop doors open
too.

I guess I have used 5 liters a year in this way for the past five to
eight years - mostly for spraying in short concentrated periods - never
more than an hours "exposure" without a break (and the break includes
the mask which also comes out into the fresh air). Besides this is a few
hours cleaning surfaces and paint brushes, spray gun etc.

I have often tried to look up the recomended safe exposures and
conditions of use for this stuff (Xylene thinners). I am told it's
"safer" than Cellulose or Mineral Terpentine, and having once started to
use Xylene (knowing the bubbling problem if it becomes mixed with other
thinners or other paints thinned by other thinners) I have made it the
standard.

Does anyone have any advice or elucidation on this issue. I want to keep
rovering safe - and more safe than "Keep death off the road - die in the
workshop"

Cheers folks...

Adrian Redmond

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From: Peter Thoren <Peter.Thoren@genetik.uu.se>
Date: 	Wed, 02 Sep 1998 22:47:26 +0200
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Color for trop roof? 

>the rivets can be drille dout and they can be removed and sent off for 
>regalvanising if necessary, or you could try stripping them on the car, just 
>cover the body paint so you don't ruin it.

What is the easiest way to strip these? I would asume sanding might not be
the best way if you dont want to regalvanize?

Peter

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 22:56:52 +0200
Subject: FWH's

Well the autum is setting in, we've just had another avid paint colour
code thread, and it strikes me that it's been a week or two since the
Freewheel Hub Flame wars....

No but seriously folks. I mounted a set of AVM's on my 88 during the
last rebuild (They do look nice eh?) - I have heard that they can reduce
noise when in 2x4 - so I thought it was worth a try.

Problem is - when they are in 2x4 the axle/diff noise reduction (if
any?) is more than outweighed by the severe increase in
noise/rattle/ringing from the transfer box.

In FWH 4x4 mode, whilst in 2WD, the tranny's of both axles rotate at
more or less the same rate, so even though they are not engaged in the
transfer case, they are still moving together (the front one
freewheeling relative to the driving rear).

In 4x2 mode, the front tranny and diff stays still, so something inside
the transfer case is now ringing/grating/whining/winging whilst the
drive tranny turns but the front tranny doesn't.

Can anyone explain this phenomena? Sholdnet FWH's at least give less
noise?

Hoping not to start a flame war advocating the removal/banning/taxation
of FWH's - just interested in a little theoretical mental gymnastics on
subjects mechanical...

Adrian Redmond

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:54:10 -0500
Subject: RE: LaSalle trim

Thanks for the info.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Tim Harincar <harincar@Camworks.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:23:12 -0500 
Subject: trop top colors

Michael Carradine wrote:

> There must be at least three (or four) color schemes then, because on
> some models the wheels, roof and sides are painted Alpine White, a
> brighter white with no yellow tinge.  The use of Alpine White versus
> Limestone depends on the base body color, for instance, our 1972 Marine
> Blue Series III has Alpine White wheels, roof and sides.  I believe
> the Poppy Red Land Rovers also use Alpine White.  Any others?

> -Michael

My poppy IIa SW ('66) has limestone wheels. This I am sure of as I just
repainted the rears w/genuine paint from RN last summer and they match the
fronts which I have no reason to believe are not original. I am almost
positive the sunshade is also limestone, but I'll try to confirm that - it
has never appeared to be a bright white. The roof itself, being a SW, is all
poppy. A photo of this is at http://www.pconline.com/~harincar/rover/.

Tim
---
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harincar@camworks.com
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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:33:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Organic solvents (Xylene)

At 10:49 PM 9/3/98 +0200, Adrian Redmond wrote:
:I missed the posting on xylene from Alan Bishop - but having used this
:stuff in moderate quantities, and having always experienced slight
:headaches and ghandi's revenge when using them, I was interested in the
:thread.
...
:I guess I have used 5 liters a year in this way for the past five to
:eight years - mostly for spraying in short concentrated periods.

 The problem with organic solvents is that the effects are
 cummulative, molecule by molecule.  "Organic" does not refer
 to the solvent itself, but to you, the organism being dissolved.
 Over time they dissolve the fatty tissue in your body, especially
 the fatty layer around your nerves...  that's right, the insulation
 in your bio-electrical system.  It does not regenerate itself.
 Spending the rest of your days trapped in a short circuiting body
 makes your Land Rover troubles with Lucas seem incidental.

-Michael "0 tolerance for solvents" Carradine 

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:35:49 EDT
Subject: Re: Organic solvents (Xylene)

In a message dated 9/2/98 4:51:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
channel6@post2.tele.dk writes:

<< Does anyone have any advice or elucidation on this issue. I want to keep
 rovering safe - and more safe than "Keep death off the road - die in the
 workshop" >>

Xylene is considered an irritant by NIOSH.  Flashpoint 26.2 C (79 F)
Vapors may cause irritation of nose and throat.  High concentrations may
result in nausea, vomiting, headache, ringing in ears and severe breathing
difficulties.  High vapor concentrations are anesthetic and central nervous
system depressants.

Aspirated liquid can cause hemorrhagic pneumonitis.  Vapors are irritating to
eye tissue, liquid droplets can cause hemorrhagic inflammatory lesions.

Generally not considered a carcinogen.

Nate

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:55:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold Genuine vs Aftermarket

I put in a e-manifold from AB about 7 months ago - no problem yet.  It is
just starting to rust - Peter

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:06:32 EDT
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold Genuine vs Aftermarket

In a message dated 9/2/98 5:56:23 PM, you wrote:

<<I put in a e-manifold from AB about 7 months ago - no problem yet.  It is
just starting to rust - Peter>>

Peter mentions it just starting to rust... I think I have about 6-10 months
left on the tail end of my exhaust sytem, and will have to start replacing
bits from the back, forward at some point.

In order to help prolong the system I put in, I'm considering 2 options:

1. "Stainless" Steel system
2. Regular steel tubing, but sending to "Jet-Hot" (www.jet-hot.com or
www.jethot.com?) for coating. I've seen turbo exhaust manifold coated by them,
and they've withstood the heat and the environmental exposure.

I've read varied responses on the list re: stainless, Double-S, SS etc., and
have contributed my two bits on that topic, but I haven't seen any mention of
coatings that I can recall. Anyone use them and care to share the experience?

My other option is trying to locate a place that offers the same thing as
www.zincrich.com, in lieu of galvanizing.

Incidentally, I plan on having some tubes bent up for me at a local speed
shop, following the dimensions and bends of the factory system, with the
exception of the mufflers, I'll be going aftermarket by that point in the
vehicle's life...

--pat

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 98 18:12:38 EDT
Subject: xylene and MSDS

Adrian wonders about the safety of xylene...

***
Does anyone have any advice or elucidation on this issue. I want to keep
rovering safe - and more safe than "Keep death off the road - die in the
workshop"
***

Just about any substance made or sold by mankind has an associated
MSDS sheet (Material Safety Data Sheet).  Yes, even sand.  And yes,
even sand is considered toxic...just imagine what would happen to
little Johnny if he ingested a ton or so of the stuff...he'd sink
like a stone in the next puddle he played in.

OK, so maybe those who require MSDS sheets have gone overboard (nah,
they haven't) and maybe those who draw them up are a little paranoid
of being sued (sure they are, why else would sand be considered toxic?),
but they do serve a useful purpose - to keep those who use the products
informed as to what the health risks are AND, better still for folks
like me who work with nasties all the time, to inform users where and
how to dispose of the stuff.

For an internet listing of where to find MSDS sheets on line see: 

http://www.ilpi.com/msds/index.chtml

BUT, I'm not so sure you'll find Waxoyl there, but you might..

cheers,
and don't drink the stuff, it's nasty,
rd/nige

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 98 18:16:09 EDT
Subject: Waxoyl MSDS

whattaya know, the Cornell site has Waxoyl...

read all about it folks, at:

http://MSDS.PDC.CORNELL.EDU/msds/hazcom/202/50977.txt

roll yer own!!,
rd/nige

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:16:10 -0500
Subject: The 90 I'm about to buy

OK. I'll tell you all my real concern about this truck.

The engine is OK, paint is OK, needs shocks, great wheels and tires, needs a
new dashboard, needs some fixes on the seats, needs new door seals, but all
of this is no big deal.

My BIG doubt is that it's got a split windscreen, the same as a SIII. AND
the rear side windows are series-like windows. Could this be correct?

According to its VIN it is what it is supposed to be, assambled in Solihull
around late 1985. Everything else is typical-90, from the waist line down.

Could it be that I'm completly wrong and it is a totally normal truck, OR I
have a strange mutation in front of me?

Anyway, It looks great, so I think (but this no good parameter of comparison
since I'm desperate for getting at last my LR)

I would appreciate any comments ASAP, 'cous I have to take a desicion. I
trust you guys and girls.

 LUIS MANUEL "confused" GUTIERREZ

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:33:30 EDT
Subject: Re: I got this itch

In a message dated 02/09/98 17:03:25 BST, you write:

<< Rover, my hound and I 
 all have an itch? >>

E45 will do it for the hound and you, but goodness knows what for the Rover??

have a nice time..

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:33:25 EDT
Subject: Re: PTT ETC. (clubs)

In a message dated 02/09/98 14:30:30 BST, you write:

<< You could carry a cricket bat,though.Makes just as good a weapon.And
someone
 might just offer you a game as well.....
  >>
I do carry a cricket bat - but not for hitting people with. I've seen
baseball,  rounders for boys, they might as well hit people with the bat as
play it.
BTW a cricket bat without a ball is also an offensive weapon...
BTW 2 where do you buy those baseball hats with the peak at the back. I tried
to get one for my grandson but all the ones I saw in the shops had the peak at
the front....

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 18:33:31 EDT
Subject: Re: HOT/COLD cable and levers

In a message dated 02/09/98 17:03:34 BST, you write:

<< nto the heater circuit, under the bonnet. I just have to decide before I
 drive if the heater will be required or not. Probably get more heat from the
 exhaust through the floor anyway :-)
 
  >>
now I'M getting two of your messages Mike..
significant factor is aol.... have you reported it, I have and they said
they'rre working on it, that was a week ago...

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 00:33:49 +0200
Subject: Re: Organic solvents (Xylene)

Nate wrote -
Aspirated liquid can cause hemorrhagic pneumonitis. 
Vapors are irritating to eye tissue, liquid droplets can cause
hemorrhagic inflammatory lesions.

Hi Nate!

hemorragic what? What does this mean in English? Something about
bleeding lungs and red swelling?

Do I take it, that this stuff, whilst not being fit for a childrens
party, is basically safe, as long as one is sensible?

Adrian Redmond

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 98 18:41:32 EDT
Subject: Re: Organic solvents (Xylene)

MC wrote:

***
The problem with organic solvents is that the effects are
cummulative, molecule by molecule.  "Organic" does not refer
to the solvent itself, but to you, the organism being dissolved.
Over time they dissolve the fatty tissue in your body, especially
the fatty layer around your nerves...  that's right, the insulation
in your bio-electrical system.  It does not regenerate itself.
Spending the rest of your days trapped in a short circuiting body
makes your Land Rover troubles with Lucas seem incidental.
***

Oh bullshit.

Ain't you never heard of metabolism and/or excretion?  Sure, some 
substances cannot be metabolised and may stick around forever, but 
you really can't make such broad generalizations that "organic solvent
...effect are cumulative".  Popycock.

Take toluene, for instance.  Completely and 100% metabolized (over
time) to benzoic acid.  You piss it out.  Bye bye, down the drain
it goes as something else.  Know what?  It's just got one little
ol' carbon and 3 hydrogens attached to a *benzene* (a potent
carcinogen) ring.  Go figure.

Others may not be metabolized at all, and may be excreted unchanged,
either through your lungs, your skin, your whizz, or your crap. Those
that don't might hang out for awhile or forever, but your body is
chock full of enzymes and antibodies whose function it is to attack
foreign substances, chew them up, and spit them out.  Bet you never
thought of yourself as a toxic waste reclaimation system, eh?

I've worked with toxic substances for over 20 years, and frankly,
provided I use a hood (or simple ventilation using over the counter
stuff at home) and gloves, I worry far more about what I breath
from that Ford ahead of me with the bogus catalytic...

The key is to know what you're dealing with...consult the MSDS.

r"still love the smell of ethyl acetate"d/nige

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:07:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Organic solvents (Xylene)

At 12:33 AM 9/4/98, Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> wrote:
:>Nate wrote -
:>Aspirated liquid can cause hemorrhagic pneumonitis. 
:>Vapors are irritating to eye tissue, liquid droplets can cause
:>hemorrhagic inflammatory lesions.
:
:hemorragic what? What does this mean in English? Something about
:bleeding lungs and red swelling?

 Yup, bleeding lungs.  Pneumonitis ...filling up your lungs with
 liquid, as in pneumonia ...death by self imposed drowning in your
 own blood, asphyxiation.

:Do I take it, that this stuff, whilst not being fit for a childrens
:party, is basically safe, as long as one is sensible?

 How would it not be good for children, but good for you?

-Michael

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From: "Chris Velardi" <tchris@freewwweb.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:12:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold Genuine vs Aftermarket

I have used Jet Hot for the headers on my '61 MGA and think it's a great
product. But. If you can buy replacement headers for your rig for under $150
think twice about it . I think the pipes for my "A" new plus the Jet Hot
coating came to $300 . You can get headman headers for a Range Rover now for
$85 ....How long are you going to own the vehicle? You can buy almost 4 sets
of bran new headers for the $ of one that will last probably longer than the
vehicle. Jet Hot also lets the engine exhaust easier and lowers engine
temperatures and you could get better performance through it's use, and less
installation bills (it's not fun replacing headers every year. Exhaust
system vary in life expectancy by driving habits . If you drive short
distances in humid climates the exhaust will not last  the humidity you see
dripping out the tail pipe on startups will not completely evaporate and
rust it to pieces from the inside out. Longer commutes will put enough heat
through the system to cure the problem . In so many words if your system is
expensive or hard to find and you plan to keep it for years to come use Jet
Hot. If your just driving the vehicle until you can afford a new one and the
systems are easy to find and cheep save yourself some cash.
Chris "V"

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From: "Jeffrey Jackson" <jcjcj88@email.msn.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:09:39 -0400
Subject: Helpful Hint

When removing the old-style, metal-framed oil seal from the transfer case
front output seal retainer, a 1 7/8" trailer ball makes a dandy drift.
Whack vigorously (that works on so many levels).

Jeff
"A garage full of assorted crap is fully the equal of a Snap-On Tool Box"

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:17:23 EDT
Subject: Re:  The 90 I'm about to buy

In a message dated 9/2/98 6:23:02 PM, you wrote:

<<According to its VIN it is what it is supposed to be, assambled in Solihull
around late 1985. Everything else is typical-90, from the waist line down.>>

18 years after it was built, who's to say what's *typical* about it...

One of the benefits of these trucks is the upgradeability of their parts, but
consequently, it means many older parts fit newer vehicles. Maybe someone did
a "Seriesous Modification" (sp?) on the 90. VIN #s have been known to
migrate... and it has been known for Land Rovers to be passed off for
something other than they really are. (I don't mean to be negative here, just
letting you know if you don't already)

It does have *Coil* springs, right? If not it could be some type of Stage-1.
Measure the actual wheelbase, hub-center-to-hub-center to see if it is an 88
coil-sprunc conversion or a 90 chassis. (I understand that Stage 1 88's are
less wheelbase than a 90 which is 92.something, right?)

You have the money, and he has the truck. He wants the money. Ask qustions,
and "Buyer Beware" certainly applies if you have doubts/butterflies/second
guesses about the vehicle or the deal.

Best of Luck to you, luis manuel.

--pat.

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:19:45 EDT
Subject: Re: Organic solvents (Xylene)

Michael, my personal opinion is that Sodium cyanide is good for most children,
emphasis on the most, there are exceptions.  For example the ones I see at
Land Rover campouts or picnics are generally exempt.  Whether or not they
sniff Xylene, Acetone or Arsine is a matter for parental controls or evolution
whichever comes first.  

Zero tolerance for solvents includes water, I refuse to abstain, as well Ethyl
alcohol, I refuse to abstain.  All things in moderation except for lubricants
in the Rovers.

Good wishes,

Zack Arbios

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:21:00 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: PTT ETC. (clubs)

In a message dated 9/2/98 6:35:21 PM, you wrote:

<<BTW 2 where do you buy those baseball hats with the peak at the back. I
tried
to get one for my grandson but all the ones I saw in the shops had the peak at
the front...>>

Same place where you get the baseball caps with the peaks to the sides... and
the ones with the tags permanently attached...

If you do find that shop, better make your selection quick or when you get
back to where you parked the 110, it may be winch-less  ;-)  haha...

--pat.

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:21:47 EDT
Subject: Re: Helpful Hint

Jeff, how close do you have to back the trailer to the seal, and how fast does
it have to be going?  and I've never used a Snap-On toolbox as a tool, but it
might work if I need to jack something up.

Good wishes

Zack Arbios

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From: Jarvis64@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:27:40 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: PTT ETC. (clubs)

TeriAnn says bats are low caliber.  I think anything smaller than .357 is low
caliber.  Here in Georgia, we can have a loaded pistol with us in our Rovers,
provided it is either a) in plain view--used to have a holster on the side of
my seat or b) in the glove compartment.  Not that I advocate violence over
flight, but there are times when flight simply isn't realistic/ responsible
(i.e. someone else is in danger).

Of course, if you get a permit to carry ($45 and about 30 day wait for a
background check), the pistol can be tucked away in your belt.

Bill Rice
Columbus GA

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:24:02 -0500
Subject: RE: The 90 I'm about to buy

>It does have *Coil* springs, right? If not it could be some type of
Stage-1.
>Measure the actual wheelbase, hub-center-to-hub-center to see if it is an
88
>coil-sprunc conversion or a 90 chassis. (I understand that Stage 1 88's are
>less wheelbase than a 90 which is 92.something, right?)
>Best of Luck to you, luis manuel.
>--pat.

It is coil-sprung, the right lenght, Discs in front, Drums in the rear  and
everything down there seems to be 90-original.

I think a long talk with the guy is in order.

Thank you, Pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:33:16 EDT
Subject: Re:  WAXOYL MSDS WEBSITE

Very interesting info, thanks for unearthing it Russ. 

I guess I'll stop using it as sunblock now ;-)

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:36:44 EDT
Subject: 85W140 oil

I saw 85W140 gear lube on sale (US$ 1.80/qt) when I bought engine oil
yesterday. Anyone using it?

By my understanding of the label, it should have the same pour-
viscosity/thickness as an 85wt oil, right, therefore should be useable? It
satisfies the same requirements as the 85W90 and plain 90wt that isn't on
sale. Any dangers to using it? (I am in South Florida where it is hot outside,
and inside) I think I'll get one or two just to have before the discount or
stock ends.

--pat.

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From: "Chris Velardi" <tchris@freewwweb.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:42:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Re: PTT ETC. (clubs)

In CT and MA no weapon can be worn in plain view. It can only be carried
concealed. And can never be left in a vehicle (that's considered failure to
safeguard a weapon) and in Mass. It's a 1 year mandatory jail sentence for
an unlicensed owner.
Chris "V'

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:59:59 EDT
Subject: Re: Organic solvents (Xylene)

In a message dated 9/2/98 5:34:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cs@landrover.net
writes:

<< that's right, the insulation
  in your bio-electrical system.  It does not regenerate itself. >>

Not totally true.  Schwann cells (myelinating cells along the peripheral
nerves) do regenerate the myelin sheath after it is damaged as long as the
perineural tract is not significantly disrupted.  Pretty complicated really
but if anyone wants further info, email me off list.

Nate

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:04:47 EDT
Subject: Re: Organic solvents (Xylene)

In a message dated 9/2/98 6:36:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
channel6@post2.tele.dk writes:

<< hemorragic what? What does this mean in English? Something about
 bleeding lungs and red swelling?>>

Right-o.  Unless diffuse and severe, it is relatively self limited.
 
 <<Do I take it, that this stuff, whilst not being fit for a childrens
 party, is basically safe, as long as one is sensible? >>

Yup.  Irritating substance is probably the best way to think of it.  We
dispense it from 55 gal. (US) drums of it at the lab.  Generally not my
favorite for cologne but a little dab don't worry me.

Nate

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:07:43 EDT
Subject: Re: 85W140 oil

In a message dated 9/2/98 7:37:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SPYDERS@aol.com
writes:

<< By my understanding of the label, it should have the same pour-
 viscosity/thickness as an 85wt oil, right, therefore should be useable? It
 satisfies the same requirements as the 85W90 and plain 90wt that isn't on
 sale. Any dangers to using it? (I am in South Florida where it is hot
outside,
 and inside) I think I'll get one or two just to have before the discount or
 stock ends.
  >>

Charlie at RN totally agrees with this and recommends it for those in the
warmer climes.

Nate

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:13:08 EDT
Subject: Re: Helpful Hint

In a message dated 9/2/98 7:17:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jcjcj88@email.msn.com writes:

 When removing the old-style, metal-framed oil seal from the transfer case
 front output seal retainer, a 1 7/8" trailer ball makes a dandy drift.
 Whack vigorously (that works on so many levels). >>

Excellent!  I like that much better than my method of prying with a big
Craftsman screwdriver and drifting it with the 1/2 socket extension.

Nate

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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 17:34:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Big Sticks...

> Baseball bats are low caliber.  Try a handle from a removable handle
>pick axe.  Not only hefty but it has a steel jacket around the tip.  It
>can do double duty by helping get you through situations where you could
>not ordinarilly drive.
"Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures carrying a big stick
and you will create mayhem and chaos wherever you go"???  It was something
like that right??  TW, you do say some interesting things from time to
time..;)

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
				Dennis Miller

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From: antonio manega <gazergroup@pdq.net>
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 19:42:08 -0600
Subject: Tires for sale

Hello,
I'm selling a set (5) of Michelin XPC 235/70R16 (stock tires on 97
Discovery) with 7900 miles. The spare is brand new.
If you are interested please drop an e-mail

Thanks
Antonio
gazergroup@pdq.net

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From: Steve Rochna <75347.452@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:57:07 -0400
Subject: New 2.25 engine

All:

I've just accquired an engine rebuilt for the Brit Army for my SIII.  It
has no PCV system.  Is it worth putting on the one from my current engine? 
I haven't looked closely at it and am wondering if the large top comes off
of the tube coming out of the timing cover for oil filling.  It also has
provisions for an oil cooler.  Where do I get an oil cooler locally (US)? 
Can I cap these off for now without doing any harm?

If anyone has experience with these engines I'd like to know if there is
anything special that needs to be done with them.

Thanks - Steve

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From: Jarvis64@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 20:59:58 EDT
Subject: Leaky Toro o/d

Howdy everybody,
My overdrive is leaking.  I'm not sure this is possible, but it seems to be
leaking more than my rear t-case output seal.  It looks like the o/d leakage
is coming from the seal around the back plate (held on by 4 or 5 bolts).  

So, for anyone w/ a Toro o/d:
How big a deal is it to take this plate off?  Will I get into all kinds of
trouble w/ bearings and pre load and pressing stuff on and off?

Thanks for any help on this one,
Bill Rice
Columbus, Georgia (not the former republic of the USSR)

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 21:44:08
Subject: RE: Clubs

><<  (most
> of these are with the British contingent on base). >>
>     You can just tell all those British chaps that it is a requiremant that
>they join the club. Yea, you could even collect dues! Cash and Rovers to off
>road with! Or make them bring the beer! (Or some of that cider! Wicked

stuff!)
><<  (most

This sounds like an excellent idea. If one watches PBS, then one knows all
about THE CLUB that all right thinking British Subjects want to belong to.
You could even require them to purchase the correct leather "CLUB" chairs,
and provide 15-20 year old malt whisky 8^).
If they won't go that far, then they will probably go for a get togather at
a good pub to swop Landy tails.

Jim Wolf

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 21:49:35
Subject: RE: hub caps

>Is there a trick to getting a loose hub cap tight?

Charles, I have used (guess what), DUCT TAPE!! It works and you can still
get them off when needed. Just clean the end of the hub and start putting
it on, try a small piece on one side first and go from there. I never had
one come off, without prying.

Jim Wolf

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From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 19:47:02 -0500
Subject: Dormobile adiction/ itch

Hi TeriAnn,
  Just got my roof installed on my 109 for the first time.  I love the
look & almost hear it calling me to the road & camping.   I guess I got
that itch also.

Regards,
  Rob Davis_Chicago

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 22:05:23 -0500
Subject: RE: hub caps

The four elements:

Earth, Air, Water and Duct Tape.

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:29:00 EDT
Subject: Re: PTT ETC. (clubs)

I am Jealous of your enlightened gun laws,
I'm from California does that say enough?

However 38 special and 38 Smith& Wesson are both .357"
there is no replacement for displacement.  My V8 Rovers do outpower my 2.25L
series.

.4" or bigger, thats where it's at just don't use it if you don't have to.
Above all, don't take a bat to a gunfight.

Zack Arbios

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From: hstin@cts.com (Henry Stinson)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:42:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Series III Tach

Hello all,
        Thanks for all the input on the tach installation.  After a few
calls to VDO it turns out a diode was needed in line on the gauge feed from
the coil for vehicles employing points ignition systems.  Later....
        
                                                        Hank Stinson
                                                        '73 SWB SHED 

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From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:55:36 -0700
Subject: Re: No oil in swivel

From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 98 09:20:49 -0700
Subject: Re: No oil in swivel

>Be sure to check the wheel bearings over real well if they were not
packed in grease.

>I once saw an 88's front bearings sieze to it's spindle because the guy
was in a hurry and didn't check fluids.  The spindle resavor was empty
and the front wheel bearings were not packed in grease.  I understand
that he had to replace a passle of parts on that side.

I've seen several posts regarding greasing the wheel bearings on a Series
Land Rover, and I find them rather puzzling.  While the shop manual
recommends coating new wheel bearings in grease when you first install
them, I have never seen any recommendation from Land Rover, either in the
shop or owners manuals for my Series III to keeping them packed in grease.
The reason is pretty simple: you can't.  Even if you pack the wheel
bearings as you would a car or pickup, as the hub warms up during driving
the grease thins out and mixes readily with the lube oil coming through
from the swivel ball.  The grease will not stay packed in the bearings in
the manner of a regular car hub.

The only lubrication required in the front hubs is the oil in the swivel
ball housings.  If you let this run low, you could be in for problems, but
if you keep the proper level in the housings, there is no reason whatsoever
to grease the bearings.  This is why it is so critical for the owners of
Series Land Rovers with locking hubs to run them regularly with the hubs
locked.  Not only does the oil being thrown around by the U-joints on the
stub axles lubricate the upper swivel bearing, it also circulates oil out
to the hub bearings.  At the risk of sounding like a stuck record, I bought
my Series III new in 1973, have never put any grease on any of the wheel
bearings (the rear ones are lubricated by oil from the differential), and
have never had any wheel bearing problems whatsoever.  I installed Warn
hubs in 1974, and have been careful to run the vehicle with the hubs locked
in about half the time.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

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From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 23:44:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: PTT ETC. (clubs)

: BTW a cricket bat without a ball is also an offensive weapon...
I always use to just carry an extra pair of trainers, "sorry officer,
my mate has the ball with him"

: BTW 2 where do you buy those baseball hats with the peak at the
back. I tried
: to get one for my grandson but all the ones I saw in the shops had
the peak at
: the front....
What kind of hat would that be, a peak at the back does not sound
familiar to me.
Smitty

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 09:44:25 +0000
Subject: Re: PTT ETC. (clubs)

>BTW a cricket bat without a ball is also an offensive weapon...
Not in the hands of an England batsman,its not..

>BTW 2 where do you buy those baseball hats with the peak at the back. I tried
>to get one for my grandson but all the ones I saw in the shops had the peak at
>the front....
Go to Cumberland (Cumbria).Ask for a cap wi' 't neb at 't back.They've
had 'em in stock for years.They also supply wellies with an extra long
bit of string so you can take a full stride.
Glad to be of assistance:-)
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Kathleen Hollington <kholling@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:52:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Color for trop roof - THANKS!

Thanks for all the replies to my question re: the color of the
tropical roof on my LR.  Looks like mine being a light green station
wagon, the roof itself is the same color as the body, and the solar
panel on top is limestone (off-white).
Someone pointed me to the BC Land Rover club pages, where there are
extensive instructions on painting Land Rovers.  Very informative.
The URL is:
www.roverlanders.bc.ca/bclandrover/faq/lrpaintmain.html
Thanks again to all.
	--Robert

-- 
Robert St-Louis -- OTTAWA/CANADA -- '68 IIA SWB LR -- 
  kholling@nrn1.nrcan.gc.ca.NOSPAM (remove NOSPAM when replying)

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