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From: Dave Haynes <david.haynes@roke.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:01:15 +0100
Subject: Sword fights

Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>

>I think you may have misunderstood. YOU get a nerf sword the other >poor guy
>gets a REAL sword.  That might just even things out.

When I was 18, I was a member of the Norse Film and Pageant Society - 
one of those historical societies that re-enacts ancient battles.
Can I come and play ? 
My broadsword was made from a LR leaf spring <== LR CONTENT
It Broke!!
My first involvment with LandRovers!

Dave
-- 

Dave Haynes				Tel : +44 1794 833583
					Mob : +44 701 070 3554
Roke Manor Research Ltd.		Fax : +44 1794 833586

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From: MARCINKO3@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:36:07 EDT
Subject: Re: Half Shafts- silly Question

I will bite on this one,

     I have broken three shafts in Discos over the past four years. Two of
them were front short shafts and the cars have all been LHD. The other was a
rear long shaft. 

     I don't know what all this means, just my .02

Rover on...

Steve 
Armada Off-Road LLC 

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From: Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:16:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Sound Insulation

While transporting way too many bags of rockwool insulation from The
house depot in my 88, one bag developed a large leak. OK, the bag got
ripped shoving it into the back from the passenger door. Ten bags may
have been too many and since the interior light lens was missing, the
edges of the light made quite a slice in the bag. After realizing that
the duct tape was in the toolbox, in the back, at the bottom of the 10
bags I waited till the rockwool slide ceased and proceded to drive home.
Initially the level of the rockwool was up to the tranny tunnel on the
passenger side. Slowly with each stop and steep hill the level increased
and spilled over to the drivers side. By the time I arrived home, the
bag was empty and the level was up to the top of the seats. 

Sure it was difficult to use the pedals and extreamly unsafe, not to
mention quite messy getting in and out, but boy was it a quiet ride.

Keith R. Mohlenhoff

P.S. Don't try this at home

P.P.s.
Sorry...I have misled you, my actions were "not appropriate", making up
the above story, was a "critical lapse in judgement and a personal
failure"

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From: "Chris Velardi" <tchris@freewwweb.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:42:07 -0400
Subject: Re: #1's response

This is one of the reasons I honestly prefer the D90 list . They may focus
more on modifications than these lists but I never see personal  bickering .
There are different views but they are respected . I don't know why but it
is a much more professional atmosphere for those who want to learn more
about their Rovers . Some days  I miss the volume of this list (D90 list
doesn't get 100+ messages a day)  but other days I just wish it was limited
to non personal topics. Does every non Rover topic have to be beaten to
death or to the point where people have to complain to see an end to a
subject?
Chris "V" (can't we be self regulated? aren't we all adults? or is this a
soap opera or spice girl list?!)

>- and what do I find - you are all bickering.
>If someone promised to sell something to someone else, and then backed
>out when he got a better offer - I think that's immoral, not playing
>straight, and definately not kosher - but as to calling the accused a
>fool and a loser - that's beyond the pale for me.
>I was beginning to mis everyone's company, but this tone of writing

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>makes me want to stay off line for a week or two more - sorry.
>Yours disappointedly,

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:08:41 -0400
Subject: Breaking up

I originallly found this on the coiler digest, seems that for the past
several days, they're been quite a bit of miscegenation ;-)

"brian ..." <brdelab@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I have a late IIA with a strange noise. (hmm. haven't heard that one 
>before.)  When I apply the brakes, I get this thump thump thump sound
>which is coming from around the middle section of the vehicle, but since 
>noises seem to resonate throughout the vehicle from one end to the other 
>with the greatest of ease, it is only a guess. 

This happened to me a while back.  A portion of one of the brake shoe
linings has torn off (most likely the trailing edge of one) and every so
often it gets trapped in position to make these unsettling juddering
noises.  Relining the brake shoes is in order.

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "Chris Velardi" <tchris@freewwweb.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:20:47 -0400
Subject: Re: series 1 distributor cap

A friend of mine has some distributor caps for series 1 Rovers (I hear they
are hard to come by) If any one needs one His name is Gerry Goguen at
603-756-4768 I believe he wants $35. each for them
Chris "V"

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:44:17 -0400
Subject: Jump starting

Following the thread on jump starting using a hill - and having the
mechanical fuel pump flood the system - it all depends on how "flat" your
battery is.  It may be that the battery still has some life, just not
enough to crank the starter.  The engine should fire right away, once you
get rolling.  If a battery is absolutely dead though, then rolling downhill
*won't* start your vehicle.  Sure, the alternator may be turning over (with
the rest of the engine) but alternators need a little voltage - a "tickle"
- to excite them to get them to crank out the electrons.  Without this
excitation, it'll be a long time before you get any spark...as someone with
a split muffler discovered.  Sometimes, you can excite the alternator with
just a flashlight battery....  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:44:21 -0400
Subject: Alternator wiring

"Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org> wrote:

>So I bought a wiring harness meant for my 59 II.  Should I use the new
>wiring with my 60 AMP alternator or do I nee to run 10 Guage wire from
>the alternator??  The wiring diagram from Rovers North shows using
>existing wire but I heard I should use the larger guage (10 G).  What do
>you think/know?

You should definitely go with the 10 gauge...or better yet, 8 ga.  You're
only talking a few feet of wire, so the cost is minimal.  besides, that 60
amp alternator is crankin' out twice (or really *three* times) the output
of the original '59 generator.  To be really professional about it, use
soldered ring connectors at both ends (not just crimped) and brown colored
insulation (keeps the wire color coding original).  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:36:37 -0500
Subject: RE: Parts transaction between LRO List members (long, minimal LR cont

Zack Arbios wrote:

>Not a lawyer, but I disagree.
>The elements of a contract are ;  1.  Offer,  which for the transaction
>contemplated, seems all there.  2. Acceptance.  , Seems all there as well.

3.
>Consideration ( a lawyerly term which doesn't mean what you might think it
>does.   It can be taken to mean cash).  not there, but effort to make the
>transaction go forward certainly is which is almost as good.

The sell-buy contract has been perfected in step 2. Payment and delivery can
be enforced thereafter. An example to make it clear would be when you buy
something on credit with no down-payment and delivery is to take place on a
later moment. You cant back up simply by saying so, if the other party does
not agree you are stuck. No money has been yet paid and the goods have not
changed hands, but the contract has been perfected and is fully enforceable.
The contract can be a verbal contract, as good as if it was written down.
Your word is as good as your signature (if you can prove it of course).

>Nobody died, nobody went hungry, We won't do business with him in future.
>This is where most of this will go.
>transaction go forward certainly is which is almost as good.

You are right. The amounts we are talking about would not make it worth to
make a mess out of it. It is easier to get over it than to do something
about it. But if we were talking at least five figures I would suggest
otherwise.

>But I do get to referee the fencing match.  Real epees without protective
>This is where most of this will go.
gear
>of any kind.  First blood or eye patch.
>This is where most of this will go.
Blood, what a nasty thing (when out of place)!!

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Emil King" <ewader@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:49:28 PDT
Subject: Re:buying-selling

I'd just like to say that I have been on both sides sort of, but 
involving another kind of vehicle.  Same applies though.  I'm a college 
student, my truck doesn't run, and it's been a year since it has.  I had 
my first experience in long distance buying by getting a bunch of parts 
from a guy 800 miles away.  He sold me the parts for $100, but he 
botched the shipping and I ended paying $100 more for that, instead of 
the $40 he'd said originally.  At least he told me beforehand and asked 
if I still wanted to do it, and for that price, I couldn't say no.  I 
was leary, b/c I bought a cyl. head and other things, and DIDN'T ask him 
to get it checked-I trusted his judgement. Never do this-I was lucky 
however. Well, it was the wrong size for my needs and it's been sitting 
here. A guy offered to buy it, we exchanged info, set a price, etc, I 
got it checked and it's good like the seller said.  Anyway, this new guy 
has just said that he's found an engine for cheap and wants to wait and 
see.  Now that is crummy, and I expected to have some money for a tire 
or something, but he's kinda pressed for cash like I always am.  I felt 
bad, but he told me before we agreed to any shipping or payment terms.  
Hope it works out for me though. 

Another incident is last year, I was going to buy a rolled rig for about 
$1k.  I tried to get everything straight with the guy, but explained 
specifically that I was a student and my father has the real say so when 
it comes to matters like this. He was pressed for me to come get said 
truck and after a month of negotiations, I had to decline b/c we found 
the parts we needed.  He was pissed, understandably, but he knew my 
situation.  I can't just throw away that much when I can get what I need 
for $150-big difference.  I haven't talked to him since.  Regarding 
other deals, many people have held things for me until I could pay-they 
understood the circumstances.  I applaud people like this.  Do your 
research, find out who these people are, know what you're getting, and 
be a real man, or woman, about buying and selling.  I thank everyone 
who's waited for months until I had cash, but me letting them know in 
advance helped.  If they had to sell fast, they told me and I looked 
elsewhere.  If I inquire about something, I say I may not have the $$$ 
now and they go from there.  Just my .07 cents.  Sorry for the 
bandwidth....

Emil King
Hampton, VA

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From: Jan Ben <ben@lucent.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:59:17 -0400
Subject: MIG welder/FS/, buying + selling stuff..

Re: Gerry's  MIG welder Q..
I bought a Harbor Freight(HF) 100 amp unit maybe 10 yrs ago.  Made in
Italy, can do both fluxcore and gas (reversible roller).  For 10 yrs
it's been just OK, not great: sometimes I can get a great bead on
exhaust tube or sheet metal, sometimes not.  Maybe wirefeed maybe Amp
control.. who knows.
People in the know *made* me upgrade to a Miller :)  (still in
transit).    Either a Linc or Hobart would've been fine.   Sears tool
catalog now carries Hobart for ~$525 + shipping +tax, inc. a
regulator.   Or HD 100-amp weld-pack is a good deal at $315now, tho'
you'll spend $80 more to convert to MIG.     Else, you're back to the
Italian welders.  I am sure they're OK, 'cause many of them are sold
under good brand names, inc. Marquette and Snap-on.  And there's the
Century, also US-made.   I saw a complete Century mig 130-amp unit at
Costco for $400.  Had var. heat  too!  Or you can have my Uno0mig for
$75, before I put it on Ebay  :)

Speaking of buying + selling cars...  ahh.. never mind enough
blabbering..
rgds
Jan

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:58:18 -0700
Subject: list responses

Hey, my turn.

My deals with others on the list have always been great - in fact most parts
were sent passing the check in the mail.

I LIKE THIS LIST and the PERSONAL RESPONSES! The D90 crowd are few in
numbers comparatively - and just how long could they go on discussing
modifications, anyway? The series crowd is all made up of individualist
people who have common suffering. The mixed bag of personalities and
opinions is - well, reality. The vehicles, like their owners have plenty of
character - all are a bit different, yet we are unified. I am on a number of
lists (including Unimog's and MV's) and this is the only one that I get that
is not in digest form - all the others are sooo boring that I just want the
digest.

I would only unsubscribe when things get too dull and boring. So PLEASE,
keep up the debates and opinions - anyone who is old enough to be on this
list knows how to work the delete key (and should be able to fix it if it
breaks)

Beat the topics to death, I encourage it. I lived through the 72 grease Vs
oil in the hubs messages debate of Spring '98!

Cheers
David
Full-time father of a 3.7 year old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:57:32 -0500
Subject: RE: Web Transactions

>The experiences of the no longer anonymous #1 and #2 reminded me of the
>time I offered some Warn hubs for sale. I didn't mention a price and had
>several enquiries.
>In response to these I sent a reply enquiring, in jest, "How does one
>conduct an auction over the web?". This appeared to annoy the enquirers
>and the transactions went nowhere.
>It is easy to type what you mean, but difficult to ensure that it is
>understood by the recipients.

You should state clearly what you are doing, so nobody is misleaded. And the
easiest way I can think about it would be setting a deadline, that when
reached the highest bid gets the price. Then you have to tell everybody
who's bid was the best, and how much it was. In that way nobody gets bad
feelings about you.

This should be the over-simplified principles of any bidding process.

(I have to work with this kind of stuff every day for construction bidding
processes overseas, the difference is that what is at stake each time is
$20-250 mill.)

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Mark L. Freeman" <baker@iland.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:17:17 -0500
Subject: Looking for Plans for a Land Rover Rally Equipment
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Does anyone have plans or a basic description of a teeter-totter used at =
Land Rover Rallies? I=92m talking about the inclined ramp with a pivot =
point in the center used in rally competitions to balance a vehicle.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Mark Freeman

Sedalia, Missouri

1975 109 hybrid

1974 88 petrol

1997 Disco

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From: "bill.di" <bill.di@mci2000.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:26:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: A Dead Deal

John wrote:

>>Fellow LRO List members, I would beg your indulgence to consider ... what I
hope will only be a constructive exercise.

Constructively, John, I would offer that you did a good job of monetarily 
protecting your assets.  But you could have better protected your time.

I've been there mi amigo.

Bill in Albuquerque

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:32:16 -0500
Subject: RE: Alternator wiring

So If i replace the yellow generator to voltage reg line with 8 or 10
guage line, do I also need to replace the brown and white line to the
ampmeter and the brown and blue line to the ignition switch?

I can understand the need for heavier wire due to the higher amp outage
of the alternator, but since I am now directly connecting the alternator
line to the lines to the ampmeter and the ignition, shouldn't they have
to be replaced too?  I sure hope not.

cwolfe

Bonus points
What is or can be connected to the second + terminal on the alternator?

Cwolfe  

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From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:49:08 -0500
Subject: Buying & Selling over the wires

I bought my SIII sight-unseen (unless you count a grainy JPEG)
over the net.  I got a lister (who, because of arcane shipping
regulations I still owe a case of ale.) to look it over for
me.  Based on that, and on phone calls to the owner, I had it
put on a truck and sent after a 20% deposit changed hands.  I
could have driven off with it for 20%, I had title and
everything.  The seller trusted me, I trusted him, it worked
out OK.  I would have been very honked off if it hadn't but I
feel that in a society such as ours (rover-owners, not
americans or brits, or whatever inconsequential geographical
designations there are) you have to have faith in the
brotherhood (and sisterhood) or shared hardship and shared
dreams.  Sometimes it doesn't work out, but mostly it does.
Over the last 10 years I've done $25-30K worth of business
over the net with people I've never met.  I bought an engine
and a surrey top for my TR-4 from VA, carbs from Oregon, a
Rover from PA, and bought and sold collectible cards all over
the world (literally).  I've been stiffed twice, for less than
$200 total, and I've had two cars sold from underneath verbal
agreements, both to locals who drove in with cash.  It's
tough, but I can deal.  I didn't really need all those cars
anyway (although I'm still a little torqued about the Stag
that got away).  We're all in this together, and if the world
can't be civil, at least we can be.  And Brian, I _will_ get
that beer to you.  Somehow.  
							-MM

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From: "Jason B. Carroll" <carrollj@up.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:24:15 -0000
Subject: Re: Sound Insulation

Alan-

Thanks for the feedback. Do you have a problem with moisture building up 
under the carpet in the floorboards? Or does the heat evaporate it away? 
What kind of carpet did you cover it with? Thanks,

--Jason

On 8/17/98 5:13 PM , Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com wrote-

>Lots of things can be used for sound insulation - depends on what your
>budget is.
>I ended up using synthetic felt auto carpet underlayment glued to the
>seatbox and the metal areas, with carpet applied over it. Cut the noise
>considerably and helped the cab stay warmer in the winter (definitely a
>consideration in new England...).

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>Some others have used Dynamat (a 3M product), while others still have used
>adhesive metal honeycomb and products like it.

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From: "Jason B. Carroll" <carrollj@up.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:24:14 -0000
Subject: Re: Sound Insulation

That's a great idea on how to deal with excessive foam peanuts! Thanks,

--Jason

On 8/18/98 1:15 PM , Keith Mohlenhoff wrote-

>While transporting way too many bags of rockwool insulation from The
>house depot in my 88, one bag developed a large leak. OK, the bag got
>ripped shoving it into the back from the passenger door. Ten bags may
>have been too many and since the interior light lens was missing, the
>edges of the light made quite a slice in the bag. After realizing that
>the duct tape was in the toolbox, in the back, at the bottom of the 10
>bags I waited till the rockwool slide ceased and proceded to drive home.
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>Sure it was difficult to use the pedals and extreamly unsafe, not to
>mention quite messy getting in and out, but boy was it a quiet ride.

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From: "Jason B. Carroll" <carrollj@up.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:24:15 -0000
Subject: Re: Sound Insulation

Chris-

  This has been one of my thoughts, but I haven't gotten up the nerve for 
the whole schebang. How much did you cover? What about the seat boxes? I 
was thinking of the tub and the floorboards forward of the tranny tunnel. 
However, talking with the Rhino-Man yesterday, he said they can remove 
the floor panels and shoot the whole thing. He said he had done a rover 
many years ago, but has done tons of Jeep, Scouts, and 'Crusiers. He gave 
me a ballpark price of $550. My rig isn't exactly a spotless resto, but 
the permanent nature of the lining has me scared. What's your 
experiences?? Thanks,

--Jason

On 8/17/98 11:14 PM , Chris Velardi wrote-

>Rhino Lining

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:56:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Sound Insulation

Re: Felt and moisture:

Well, mine's designed to deal with it - the floor bits of the carpet have
the insulating amterial bonded to the bottom of the carpeting, and the
whole lot is removable. This way, when the old boy gets wet, I can pull the
rugs and dry things out.

The rest of the felt (on vertical surfaces) is glued on with spray glue,
and can be removed (messily) if needed for any particular reason.

The carpeting I used is not something I would recommend - I bought a carpet
set and modified it. After recarpeting the Healey that's entered my life I
think I'd go the same way I did with that - make paper patterns and cut the
carpeting myself from good black industrial carpet remnants.

It would be a load more durable and 75% cheaper too. This stuff sews fairly
easily by hand, and making the odd bits is little work.

                    ajr

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 04:03:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Parts transaction between LRO List members (long, minimal LR cont

Adiran,

You have to remember - America is still young, it's still the "wild west"
here. As our culture hasn't been around for very long (only 200+years), we
still act like children when our feelings get hurt. (...no more NAS
D-90's...WAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!)

Charles (My mum is from Norway - where history goes back a good 900+ years)

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From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:18:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 80 inch (fwd)

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Hi!
         have you heard of the competition for car of the century?
         It is now down to the final 100,and one of the nominees is the
80 inch Land Rover [another one is the Range Rover but ignore that] it 
depends on a public vote which can be done by e mail or in person at
various events such as the C.N.E
         I dont know how to send you an active web site but try
www.cotc.com/
         Maybe you have a list you can forward to.

                Cheerio
                        Doc and Gabs

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From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:20:41 -0700
Subject: Re: Jump starting

You can also have a self exciting alternator. Which at a specific rpm starts
spitting out the electrons. Only one wire goes to the Alternator. When my Lucas
wouldn't power everything, it's what I put in.

Tom

A. P. "Sandy" Grice wrote:

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From: Leger Marc-Andre <ma@wefa.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:47:30 -0400
Subject: Lightweight Pics (double posting - all LR content)

I finally have the pictures of the restoration of my SIIa Lightweight. 

Anyone interested ?

Please right Off-line and I will send them to you. I have pics of the
before - during - after about 10 in all, it's just under 600KB for the
lot...

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From: Keith Addison <gruno@att.net.hk>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 05:04:27 +0800 (HKT)
Subject: Land Rover news in the East

Hong Kong Government dropping Land Rover?

The Hong Kong Government is apparently phasing out its large fleet of Land
Rovers and replacing them with Pajeros. Two trade sources here claim this
is already happening, a year after Britain returned its former colony to
China.
"Same as the PLA," one source commented - the People's Liberation Army
garrison stationed in Hong Kong uses Pajeros.
The previous British garrison used Land Rovers, and the Hong Kong
Government has continued to use them since Britain left, with fleets of 90
and 110 Defenders in use in the police, prisons, agriculture and fisheries,
forestry, services, water affairs, health and other departments, especially
in the New Territories areas.
Now this is changing. The utility companies and construction firms use
fleets of Pajeros and Land Cruisers in the rural areas, and soon the
government departments will be too.
A batch of government 90 and 110 soft-tops has already been sold off, all
with low mileages and in good condition, apparently to be replaced by
Pajeros.
A source said one reason for the change was that you had to place orders
for Defenders six months in advance, but you could buy Pajeros any time.
In fact only the government is able to buy Defenders here - the Hong Kong
Land Rover agents, Dodwells, sell only Range Rovers and Discos to the
public (though there are ways), with the government apparently importing
their Defenders direct.

In Japan, Nikkei reports that Rover Japan is to launch a "One-Day Owner
Campaign" allowing "owners" to drive a Range Rover to the golf course and
back - but just for the day.  There's a choice of nine golf courses, mostly
around Tokyo, at a cost of 5,000 yen for a Thursday golf outing and 10,000
yen on Sundays.  The campaign starts on September 3 and ends in
mid-October, providing one-day Range Rover "ownership" for 200 groups
totalling up to 800 people.
Golf is a necessity for Japanese businessmen, and arriving at the golf
course in a brand new Range Rover probably makes sound business sense.
Range Rovers feature in very glossy two-page Rover ads in top Japanese
business magazines, set in rugged terrain opposite antique English trout
fishing gear - another high-status game for Japanese businessmen.

Rover Japan also announced it will sell a limited edition of 450 Defender
90 50th-anniversary commemorative models in Japan.

For more information, call free dial 81 120 00 6832 (not free outside Japan).

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From: "Jeffrey Jackson" <jcjcj88@email.msn.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:21:19 -0400
Subject: Clutch

Can anyone tell me which clutch plate at my local NAPA can be replace a 9.5"
series unit?  I think it was a 56 chevy, but I'm not quite sure...

Thanks in advance,

Jeff

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:56:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Half Shafts- silly Question

In a message dated 18/08/98 12:51:53 BST, you write:

<< I needed an intellectual break  >>

wrong place my son:-)>

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: "Chris Weinbeck, Office Logic, Inc." <cmw@tiac.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:10:41 -0400
Subject: #1, #2 etc.

It does really stink.

Is this the first time you've been burned on a LR deal?

Hey, at least you didn't pay this person any money, get grossly overcharged 
and threatened and then not have the goods after two whole years!!  If you 
had, maybe if you made lots of noise they might have finally sent you a 
refund "strictly for PR reasons" of overcharges (less sixty or so dollars 
just to screw with you) after oh,...say another eight months.

Just speaking hypothetically of course! ;-) ;-) ;-)

In all seriousness it's a rotten situation and you do have my sympathy, for 
whatever it's
worth.

I'm glad you came out with your skin intact.  Don't count your chickens 
before they hatch.

Chris Weinbeck

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:10:52 EDT
Subject: Southdown, USA

Does anyone know how to contact Southdown, (USA) ? I believe they are
somewhere in MA...

thanks...

--pat.

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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:31:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: #1, #2 etc.

>Is this the first time you've been burned on a LR deal?
>Hey, at least you didn't pay this person any money, get grossly overcharged
>and threatened and then not have the goods after two whole years!!......
>In all seriousness it's a rotten situation and you do have my sympathy, for
>whatever it's worth.
 Hey atleast you got your damn winch....  ;)

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
				Dennis Miller

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From: Kirk Hillman <khillman@rttinc.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:41:32 -0700
Subject: Fuel storage and capacity in 88's

Hello fellow enthusiasts,
    In my unending rover considerations I have been thinking, among
other things, that I would like to have a larger fuel capacity on board
for long trips in the bush.  I already have the auxiliary tank under the
driver seat.  Has anyone else come up with a creative way to add petrol
storage that worked?  I would like to keep the center of gravity as low
as possible.
    I know that I am going to get a thousand wise cracks about jerry
cans and the like, but I will have you all know that I am not a complete
dunce.  I figured on them already but was hoping someone with a higher
IQ had figured a way to add built-in storage.  Oh to have the space of a
109".
    Also, with the driver's side tank, what parts (#'s) does one order
to get the filling nozzle outside like the passenger side?  I assume
that you buy a standard filler from the other side.  What I don't know
is where do you find that sheet metal cover for the hose that sits
behind the seat backs.

    One more word on carbs.  I would like a vote.  Who would want me to
stay with a Zenith (for my BENEFIT of course), and who would think I
should switch to a 2 barrel Webber and manifold?  So far the
recommendations are split evenly.

Thanks,
 Kirk and 'Hillman' (I think I like that name RON)

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From: "Chris Velardi" <tchris@freewwweb.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:53:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Sound Insulation

Cover every inch you can (or at least every inch you want to last)
Chris "V"
-Subject: Re: Sound Insulation

>Chris-
>  This has been one of my thoughts, but I haven't gotten up the nerve for 
>the whole schebang. How much did you cover? What about the seat boxes? I 
>was thinking of the tub and the floorboards forward of the tranny tunnel. 
>However, talking with the Rhino-Man yesterday, he said they can remove 
>the floor panels and shoot the whole thing. He said he had done a rover 
>many years ago, but has done tons of Jeep, Scouts, and 'Crusiers. He gave 
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>the permanent nature of the lining has me scared. What's your 
>experiences?? Thanks,

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:00:33 -0700
Subject: [Fwd: DELRC Nova Scotia Rallye  (M.O.R.E.) 1998]

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 18:20:49 -0700
Subject: Re: Fuel storage and capacity in 88's

>Has anyone else come up with a creative way to add petrol
>storage that worked?  

I have seen an 88 that had a rear tank added.  I believe that it came off 
a jeep.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:18:25 EDT
Subject: Re: Fuel storage and capacity in 88's

You might wish to contact Bob Bernard,
He had placed a rear tank from a CJ J**p (yes I know) with their filler cap
etc.  FIt fine, standard stuff and relatively easy to get.  I looked in j.c.
witless and saw a plastic tank of that persuasion I was thinking about.

Zack Arbios

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From: Lorri Paustian <lorri@sound.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 18:57:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Looking for Plans for a Land Rover Rally Equipment

Mark,
Talk to James Merriam.  He actually competed in the teeter-totter at the 90?
Camel Trophy semi-finals.  His e-mail address is camelrover@aol.com.  He
should know all the specs on it.
At 10:17 AM 8/18/98 -0500, you wrote:

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From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:57:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Mouse House in my Engine by Jeff Jackson

jeff,
   Given the ease of access, I would pull the head. If you install it, start
it and then discover that not only were there mouse droppings but also mouse
p*ss corrosion in a cylinder or two, you'll be pulling the engine right back
out. You COULD buy one of those little flexible flashlights with the bulb on
the end of a red unsulated stem, insert it in a spark plug hole and take a
peek, you'll see part of the cylinder wall, maybe enough to convince you to
pull the head. The worst that could happen is that you'll have the
confidence that comes with a fresh head gasket-one less thing to go wrong.
Good Luck.
                                                        Hank Rutherford

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From: Russ Burns <burns@ismi.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:53:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Fuel storage and capacity in 88's

I use marine gas tanks on the roof rack. They have these neat quick disconnect
connect fittings, a sipon pump, and I don't even have to take the tanks
down from the roof. You have to watch the expansion though...
I inflated an empty one like a balloon down in the canyon lands.

Russ Burns
94 D-90 13 gallon second tank, two 6 gallon marine gas tanks, 40 gallons
total.

What a fire....

At 05:41 PM 8/18/98 -0700, Kirk Hillman wrote:

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From: "Franklin H. Yap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:22:34 -0700
Subject: Re: series 1 distributor cap

Chris Velardi wrote:

> A friend of mine has some distributor caps for series 1 Rovers (I hear they
> are hard to come by) If any one needs one His name is Gerry Goguen at
> 603-756-4768 I believe he wants $35. each for them
> Chris "V"

Unless you need an original Lucas cap for a S1, you can just buy the generic
cap available at a British car parts store for about $10.  (I think they are
available by mail order from MiniMania, Milpitas, CA.)  These caps (I think
they are used on Minis) are turned 90 degrees so you have to remember to
connect your wires accordingly.

Frank

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From: Sue Keene <skeene@hunterlink.net.au>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:28:54 -0400
Subject: Stage One - Brakes Pulling 

I love driving my "Beastie" (1983 Stage One 109" Isuzu 3.9D) and normally
take all her little idiosyncracies in my stride - it's all part of the fun
- but recently she has developed one that is pretty disconcerting.

Mostly on heavy braking (although sometimes on normal breaking) she is
pulling violently to one side - sometimes to the left - but again sometimes
to the right.

I can see a weekend in the garage coming up - passing tools to my resident
mechanic/husband and making lots of cups of tea! Before we get to that does
anyone have any suggestions as to where he should start looking/what could
be ruled out.

Many thanks
Sue Keene
Newcastle, NSW Australia
skeene@hunterlink.net.au

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:06:58 +0100
Subject: RE: Stage One - Brakes Pulling 

Mine did the same thing... it's a bit disconcerting while driving 55 and having
to slam on the brakes...

I started this this past weekend... worked out well just adjusting the brakes
as per the shop manual, but I got a little cocky and decided to do some fine 
adjusting without following the directions, and now I have no brakes 
whatsoever. I'll let you know how it goes. I have to have my truck moved 
to the other side of the road by thursday, so that means brakes by then.

I'll let you know a little more after that...

-Scott
 1973 SIII 88"

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 01:15:15 EDT
Subject: Re: Stage One - Brakes Pulling

Pulling brakes?

Brakes are cheap and cheaper insurance.  Look at all the shoes, its easy.
Look at all the hydraulic components, Change that fluid.  Takes two people and
won't take long.  Think of the marital closeness.  Probably a shoe problem
wear in material or connecting points to the backing plate (adjusters etc) or
else some crap building up in a cylinder, causing the puck to be frozen in the
wheel cylinder.  

Similar problems occur whould you have discs instead of drums.

Rover on,

Zack Arbios.

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 01:19:26 EDT
Subject: Re: Stage One - Brakes Pulling

Re no more breaks,
Sounds like you went past the end of the cam which adjusts them.  Try running
back around to where you had brakes before.  If they "come back" you are
probably in need of new shoes (for the Rover silly).  Otherwise, ReallRover
Owners don't need no stinking brakes (except at the accident investigation).
Gee officer, I don't knw what happened.

Zack Arbios
Used to know the Fred Flintstone stop.

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:04:35 EDT
Subject: Breaking Axle Shafts

Broken axle shafts in British cars are not unique to Land Rovers.  In the
mid 1960s I owned a 1962 Sprite which went through axle shafts at an
alarmingly frequent rate.  It must have been all that brute power from the
hulking 948cc BMC A series power plant.  I got to the point where I could
change axle shafts in the dark.  The hard part was getting the broken bits
out of the pumpkin.

It got so bad that eventually no word was needed when I showed up at the
local brit car junkyard; the guy would see me and yell: "Need another Morris
Minor axle shaft up here."  After a while I began to see Morris Minors only
as parts-on-the-hoof.  I still look at 88s that way.

The Morris axle shafts broke in exactly the same place as Land Rover shafts:
at the place where the splines enters the carrier.  I have replaced a few
broken shafts in other people's Land Rovers, and a couple of twisted ones in
my 109, but have not had one fail on the trail.

There are two theories about axle shafts breaking.  One theory holds that
the axle is designed to break thus acting like a shear pin to prevent damage
to more expensive components.  The rest of us regard this theory as utter
nonsense, logically reasoning that this kinda stuff should not break.  In
reality, these fragile axles are probably a feature for the Pommies and a
bug for the Yanks.

Paul Donohue
Department of Design Critique for 40 Year Old Products
College of Low Technology
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver


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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 06:35:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Stage One - Brakes Pulling

Sounds like oil/fluid on the brakes - might be worth making it THIS
weekend....

Problem is, if you're leaking brake fluid onto the brake linings that means
you've lost a seal somewhere.

                         ajr

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