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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 98 07:07:51 -0700
Subject: Re: Land Rover Website

>providing information useful to a newcomer like me.

Thanks but you may not find a whole lot of technical stuff there for your 
car.  I write about what I know or at least think I know about.  That 
ends up being the leaf spring Rovers.  But if you are planning to set 
your future 110 up for expedition, you could get a lot of hints about a 
process for deciding how to do it.

>  I do envy you and
>your trips that you have taken though. Although I would love to take
>trips such as yours, I just haven't found the time from programming
>financial applications on Wall Street yet.

A couple of years ago I would have envied me and my trips too.  I was 
working 10 to 12 hours a day, was maxed out on my vacation time and 
loosing what I should have been accruing.  My self definition and worth 
was tied up in my job.

On a birthday I took a cold hard look back at my life.  It seems I lived 
life fully during my college years then did nothing really other than 
define my life according to my job since then.  Sure I had some hobbies 
but the fit around the job.  I looked at all those years where one day 
looked like the other except for the "important" project I was working 
on.  They seemed hollow to me.  I looked at people who I know who worked 
their tails off so that they could retire a few years early.  Generally 
they had worked so long and so hard trying to get things together to 
retire a little early in "comfort" that they were having a very difficult 
time adjusting and defining themselves in terms other then work.

When I "finished" the expedition conversion on my Green Rover and took my 
sabbatical and 4 weeks of vacation on top of that I toured the Western 
North America.  As I slowly decoupled from the 10 to 12 hour a day 
silicon valley work ethic, I started feeling a sense of being a person in 
my own right.  I looked at the people around me on the road and took the 
time to chat with many.  Some frightened me because I was afraid I may be 
looking at my own future, others made me jealous because they were having 
way too much fun and were living life as a normal part of living.  They 
were not putting it off for later.

The ones that scared me were people who put life off until later then 
something happened to them... an illness or accident.  They discovered 
that they did not have the mobility to go past the visitor's centre of a 
park.  They could not do the things that they put off until later.

 I think that is when I made the decision that I do not want to define 
myself simply as a part of an uncaring organization that could replace me 
with another worker unit without noticing.    I decided that I want to 
live my life by defining it in terms that are important to me.  I want to 
be able to look back at each day saying that I lived it.  I lived it for 
beauty.  I lived it to promote harmony in my environment.  

We each make our own choices in life.  I think I want to live the rest of 
mine as a free woman.  I have decided that life is what is happening now 
while you work towards those goals or dreams.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 07:53:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: welding

>Who are the welding experts out there?  What should a DIY purchase?
Look through your local Sunday paper for a good used MIG unit. They seem to
pop up fairy often.  A couple of hundred dollars should get you a fairly
nice unit.  As for learning how to weld, I've had friends who have simply
bought a book and practiced but I'm planning on taking a course at a local
community college to learn the basics and then as they say, practice,
practice practice.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
				Dennis Miller

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:05:18 -0400
Subject: Dual postings

Does the Major have a problem ? I posted a couple of messages to the lro
list and they also appeared in the cso list, I don't know if this is a
problem with my software  or the majors. There seems to be a lot of
duplicated messages ( all Teri Ann's for example ) 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 98 09:20:29 -0700
Subject: Fwd:  ANARC EAST & WEST

I like the idea of ANARC becoming a North American umbrella organization 
to bring the clubs together in a spirit of cooperation to put on regional 
North American meets or rallies.It could also be a logical organization 
to generate some guidelines for certain types of events to that when a 
person travels from one region to another for an event he or she would 
know what to expect.

The size of North America almost mandates 2 or three international meets 
a year, say one each in the East, West and maybe mid-West.

The recent ANARC EAST event brought together a group of dedicated hard 
working people from all over the East to put the event on.  This was the 
first time that many of these people have worked together.  While I think 
the event was a huge success, there were a number of things that fell 
between the organizing "cracks" and it was held in a location that people 
did not have direct experience with.  This is one event organizational 
model that worked and spread the work among many people.  But I suspect 
it will be handed to the same people each year until they burn out and 
people may get stale on the location after a few years.

I would like to throw out another idea for events based upon what the 
West coast Triumph clubs do for their major regional event, Triumphest.

In this model, each club takes turns hosting the annual event.  The 
individual club is responsible for choosing a location in their area and 
hosting the event.  If they need help, they ask other clubs to cover 
specific things.

The sponsoring club is responsible for choosing the site, making all 
arrangements, all costs and keep any profits made from the event for seed 
money for the next time they host the event.

This model does a couple of things that I think is very important:

1. It spreads the work so that no one gets burned out.  Since a club only 
hosts the event once every five years or so no one gets stuck doing all 
the work all the time.  For the other four years the club workers get to 
hang out & play while the workers from the host club spends the long 
hours.

2. It moves the event location around so that people who do not want to 
travel far get a chance to participate  when it's in their area 

- AND - 

THE EVENT DOES NOT GET STALE.  If you held an event in the same place 
year after year, it can get stale and attendance drops because each year 
is like the last.  A new location each time generates excitement of new 
trails and new places.  A local club can be counted on for picking the 
best sites in their area.

Anyway, these are my thoughts on future ANARC events.  

Any comments?????

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:16:50 -0600
Subject: Re: self image-Tigger rides agin

Gerry Elam was asking about Welders--

As a Gunsmith I do a bit of welding (mostly gas on the guns though!)

I've found a Mig welder to be almost idiot proof. Easy to get an arc
started, good penetration and they are cheaper than a "Spark Box" (Arc
Welder)

Welding as any other skill needs practice-the more you weld the better
you get!!

Art (still need to weld up my dumbirons!)Bitterman

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 13:43:40 EDT
Subject: Re: Self-image... Tigger rides again.

Gerry, 
for welding, the big deal is how much money do you wish to spend.

I have Oxy Acetylene, Propane and a wire feed with gas options and a Gasoline
powered Stick Welder.  I use the wire feed more than anything, mostly with
self fluxing wire.  Easy and forgiving, I don't weld all the time and it comes
back faster than any of the other methods.  For some occasions, the
appropriate machinery is irreplaceable.  My opinion,  get the best wire feed
machine your budget allows, use the flux-core for learning and use the gas
options when you get there.  If you are tempted by the discount stores over
the specialist shops, check that the exact model number is available at the
discount store.  I bought my wire feed at my welding supply shop (a client)
and was disappointed that I had spent more than one of my associates for a
similar machine.  Not too long later we had the opportunity to compare head to
head.  mine was about twice as heavy as his and had a much longer duty rating
( the time you can continuously put down a bead of wire).  

Zack Arbios

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From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:07:35 -0500
Subject: LRNA

Steve wrote
>Hi all; I just noticed that the new camel trophy saver is out. There are 2,go
>to
>http://best4x4.landrover.com/?adventures/adventures.html

Went there. Found the screen savers, eventually. By the time I got there,
the screen savers had spawned, and there were three.

That's the LRNA page, and you'd better have a very up-to-date browser,
because it is full of unnecessary gimmicks, gimcranks, frames and pointless
virtuosities. In short, it is an amateurish monstrosity created by someone
who obviously hasn't the first clue about the niceties of communication.

After you get through the webmaster's garbage, the following are apparent:

1. To get into the owner's section, you had better have a seventeen-digit
VIN from a new vehicle. There aren't enough digits in a Series VIN to get
into the "owner" area, which is supposedly for "all" Land Rover owners.
Guess that tells us (yet again) what LRNA thinks of Series machines. Nice
for publicity, but you wouldn't want your customers to marry one!

2. If you should have a complaint (like the stupid graphics), there is no
readily-apparent feedback or email area.

3. With all the extraneous visual garbage, it takes forever to load even
the simplest pages. Maybe they have high-speed lines at Lanham, but some of
us are still dreaming about upgrading our modem to a 56. Plan to spend days
watching trivia load.

    _____
___(_____)                  Please be patient.
|Baby the\                  I am a recovering bureaucrat.
|1969 Land\_===__
   ___Rover   ___|o         Please be patient.
|_/ . \______/ .  ||        I still move slowly.
 __\_/________\_/________________________________________________
Ned Heite, Camden, DE  http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html

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From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 11:18:03 -0700
Subject: Re: LRNA

If *anyone* wants in to the MOS section of LRNA's site, I will again give my
permission to use the VIN of my 110 (SALDH1282PA917666 <- Was this Joe Lucas's
110?).  It's #24/500 and listed in the RoverWeb's D110 registry
http://www.off-road.com/LR_FAQ/Defender/D110.db.html).  Not much there to see,
however....

C

Ned Heite wrote:
> 1. To get into the owner's section, you had better have a seventeen-digit
> VIN from a new vehicle. There aren't enough digits in a Series VIN to get
> into the "owner" area, which is supposedly for "all" Land Rover owners.
> Guess that tells us (yet again) what LRNA thinks of Series machines. Nice
> for publicity, but you wouldn't want your customers to marry one!

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From: Jeff Goldman <roverboy@gis.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:34:20 -0400
Subject: How many brake pipe junctions ('71)?

  This is a stupid question, but I want to be sure... How many brake pipe
junctions are there on a Dual Circuit 1971 SIIA? I'm going to assume two,
one for the front circuit (three way) located on the right hand chassis
rail (lhd), and one for the rear circuit (three way) located on the rear
axle after the flex hose? Is this correct? Thanks...

Jeff Goldman
Boston, MA

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From: "Jos de Vries" <vriesde7@dutccis.ct.tudelft.nl>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:01:53 +0000
Subject: zenith or weber with LPG

hi all,

a couple of weeks ago there was a lot about carburators but nothing 
about LPG.
I have a zenith on my 88 but need to rebuild or replace it, in 
the furture I will change to LPG (yes its about money).

I hope on reactions from europe, cause nobody in the US will have LPG 
with their petrol prices (in holland now $4,73  / gallon)

thanks in advance,

Jos de Vries

Land Rover SANTANA 109 D SW '71 
Land Rover 88 ex-mod '75

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From: Elwyn York <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:36:28 +0100
Subject: US Spec Defenders

Hi

I noticed the back of the US Defenders in The Great Divide, Colorado 1996,
has round rear lights. Is this standard and what are they like?

With the front lights, do the top set of orange indicator-style be treated
as side lights or indicator lights?

Cheers
Elwyn

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From: Elwyn York <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:38:55 +0100
Subject: US Spec Defenders

Hi

I noticed the back of the US Defenders in The Great Divide, Colorado 1996,
has round rear lights. Is this standard and what are they like?

With the front lights, do the top set of orange indicator-style be treated
as side lights or indicator lights?

Cheers
Elwyn
LR S3 '72 (Dented) Lightweight. "Green Brick" [47 FL 06]
mailto:Elwyny@mailshuttle.com. ICQ: 17087824

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:10:30 +0100
Subject: RE: LRNA

Sorry to bring these web design issues to the lro list, but I must
support LRNA's site... I do web backend work, and people said 
all the same stuff about Lego when they made some changes to their
site...  And I know that normally only the criticism get made
and positive notes are hardly ever uttered.

As a web person, there is a point when you say... look... I want to 
do some cool stuff... this or that, and I'm gonna use this technology
or that technology, and it may alienate those who wish to disable 
Java or not download Flash for whatever political reasons, but for
me to accomplish what I want, I have to do that... 

There's no reason for you not to have an up to date browser... they
are all free, and 56k modems are cheap... probably cheaper than
the hi-lift jack and the two jackstands I bought today. =:)

-Scott
 1973 SIII 88"

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:24:43 +0100
Subject: Brake questions...

Well, I have some questions about brakes... Mine were perfecty
good... good solid pedal feel... no multiple pumps, etc.. THe only
thing was that the car pulled to the right when I applied the brakes.
So I went out and got a Hi-lift jack and a jack stand... I must say 
that the hi-lift jack is an impressive peice of machinery... 

So I got them adjusted as per the manual, but it was still pulling
just a tad, so I got out and adjusted a little without jacking it up, 
and was just going to drive around a little more to check it out...

Only thing was that magically, there were no brakes anymore... 
--poof-- nothing... 

There were no leaks, I don't think... I didn't see any fluid on 
the ground, anyway... 

I had always trusted the brake fluid reservior looking from the
outside... my brakes were solid, and  it looked to be at the min
level line... so I opened it up, and that was just a stain from the 
fluid... it was bone dry... so I imagine I need to get some fluid... 
(the vegetable stuff... I'll search the archives for that whole 
discussion about where to get it) so when I do get the fluid, 
should I be prepared to bleed the system ? I guess that's
always good... anyway... any special tools I'll need? I met an
old guy in the neighborhood who used to have a few rovers... 
I may bug him about this... I think I'll need help if I have to 
bleed it. 

Another question that I have is where do I put the jack stand if 
I need to get the right side up? there's no room under the alxe...
the bumper is pretty high... possibly unstable? and ideas?

thanks...

-Scott

-Scott
 1973 SIII 88"

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From: jules@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:11:57 -0400
Subject: SOLAROS Tellico Un-Rally

This is the "last chance" notice for the SOLAROS Tellico Un-Rally.  We are
expecting an excellent turnout in both vehicles and sponsors.

The Un-Rally is this Friday and Saturday (August 21-23) and will be held
at Tellico Off-Road Vehicle Area at the border of NC and TN.  The focus of
the Un-Rally is trail riding.  There will be no food provided, facilities
are as provided by the site and admission is FREE!  All vehicle types are
welcome although the prime group will be made up of Land Rovers.

A give-away will be made during the event of sponsor-donated items from
Hella, British Bulldog, Safari Gard, Rockware, Wet Okole, Dixieland Land
Rovers, Southern Off-Road Specialists, and Land Rover Magazine.

T-Shirts will be available on-site in limited quantities.

Rally trail rides will begin on Friday morning, with possible non-Rally
rides taking place on Thursday and Sunday.

If you plan on attending, PLEASE sign up for at least one trail ride on
the web page.  Trail rides will be arranged as needed, so don't feel
trapped with a ride that you don't want, you're welcome to switch at any
point.  The more difficult rides are hard core, so be prepared if you
decide to go on the more difficult rides.

The web site with more information, directions, trail sign-up, and T-Shirt
design is:

http://www.learnlink.emory.edu/solaros

Hope to see you there!

P.S.  For us net-geeks, pictures and other coverage will be available on
the web site after the event.

Sean P. Murphy
Project Director, LearnLink
Emory University

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From: Thomas Spoto <tspoto@az.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:22:49 -0700
Subject: Series III for sale

I was looking for Jaguar parts and found this:

Sent by Ed MEssenger on June 18, 1998 at 18:58:42:

I have a series 3 88inch standard hard top landrover fr sale. Its a left
hand drive petrol. The car runs but is plenty
rough and need lots of work, including a new frame. $950/bo.
I also have a WalKER coil frame for sale. 88 inch galvanized, NEW. Fits
the above or any swb series2/3
rover.$1200/bo
or $2000 for the pair.
Located in CT.
-Ed

The URL for the lists is:
http://www.britishparts.com/partstrader/fs.htm

The URL for the specific ad is:
http://www.britishparts.com/partstrader/fs/70.html

I don't know any of the people or businesses involved and know nothing
about the cars as well.

Tom

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:45:25 +0100
Subject: Brake Questions... (Again...)

This never came back to me, so I'm trying again...
I also found out more info that I'm adding...

Well, I have some questions about brakes... Mine were perfecty
good... good solid pedal feel... no multiple pumps, etc.. THe only
thing was that the car pulled to the right when I applied the brakes.
So I went out and got a Hi-lift jack and a jack stand... I must say 
that the hi-lift jack is an impressive peice of machinery... 

So I got them adjusted as per the manual, but it was still pulling
just a tad, so I got out and adjusted a little without jacking it up, 
and was just going to drive around a little more to check it out...

Only thing was that magically, there were no brakes anymore... 
--poof-- nothing... 

There were no leaks, I don't think... I didn't see any fluid on 
the ground, anyway... 

I read a post on RN's group about the adjustment cam and how
it can start over at a certain point? maybe that's what I did. 
tomorrow I'll lift it up again and readjust and see if I have any
brakes... I'll also add the brake fluid to the reservior...

I had always trusted the brake fluid reservior looking from the
outside... my brakes were solid, and  it looked to be at the min
level line... so I opened it up, and that was just a stain from the 
fluid... it was bone dry... so I imagine I need to get some fluid... 
(the vegetable stuff... I'll search the archives for that whole 
discussion about where to get it) so when I do get the fluid, 
should I be prepared to bleed the system ? I guess that's
always good... anyway... any special tools I'll need? I met an
old guy in the neighborhood who used to have a few rovers... 
I may bug him about this... I think I'll need help if I have to 
bleed it. 

Another question that I have is where do I put the jack stand if 
I need to get the right side up? there's no room under the alxe...
the bumper is pretty high... possibly unstable? and ideas?

thanks...

-Scott

-Scott
 1973 SIII 88"

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From: JKwas61947@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:58:55 EDT
Subject: Re:  Brake Questions... (Again...)

In a message dated 8/16/98 6:41:23 PM, you wrote:

<<Only thing was that magically, there were no brakes anymore... 
--poof-- nothing... >>

Scott
    
    Yes, on those adjusters that you turned, if you go too far you start over
at zero.  No big deal, just turn 'em until the wheel doesn't turn, then back
them off until it *just* rubs.  No drag, just a little scraping.  Do this on
all 4 wheels, and your brakes should be good.  If you cannot get the cam
adjusters to take up the slack, it may be time for new liners.
    As far as the pulling goes, if after you do all of the above, it still
pulls, you may a frozen brake cylinder on the side opposite the direction of
the pull.  This would make it so you have a solid pedal, but it's not pushing
the pads onto the drum.  Mine did this, and a new set of cyliners did the
trick.
    
John Kwasnik

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From: JKwas61947@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:06:10 EDT
Subject: Gearbox whine?  Help!

    I've got a SIII with a IIa tranny, 15 inch wheels, and no overdrive.  My
problem is that the gears emit a high pitched whine at 50mph. Not 49mph, not
51 mph.  Just 50mph.  It's been doing this for about the last 3500 miles, and
has gotten no worse.  
     Am I headed for a rebuild?  I thought if a bearing was going bad, it
would whine at all speeds.

Any ideas?

John Kwasnik
Sherburne NY

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From: JKwas61947@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:22:40 EDT
Subject: How NOT to recharge a battery

    Saturday I was working on my A-H sprite which has been sitting for about a
year.  The battery was dead in it, and I dont have a charger, so I decided to
put it in the Land Rover, push it down the hill, pop the cluth, and let it run
and charge the battery.
     Well, I got the sprite battery in the Rover, pushed it down the hill, put
it in 2nd gear, and let the clutch out.  I thought it would catch right away,
but it didn't so I kept going down the hill.  About 300 yards later, an earth
shattering BOOOOOOM scared the living sh.t out of me.  
     Stupid me forgot that a MECHANICAL fuel pump would fill the cylinders,
and then the exhaust, even without the engine actually running.  I guess I
charged the battery enough in that 300 yards to produce juuust enough spark. I
blew the muffler clean open all along the seam, and my ears rang for about an
hour for after.
    Dont do this.  I'm lucky to only need a new muffler.  Although, I kind of
like the sound of an open exhaust....Does this get me qualified for one of
those OVLR awards?

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:10:22 +0100
Subject: RE: How NOT to recharge a battery

I had a few offers from friends to help me push my rover down a hill as they 
watched and laughed at me cranking the engine with the hand crank... 
Some how I doubted that if I couln't start it that way, then all popping the 
clutch would do would be to leave the rover at the bottom of a hill in the 
middle of an intersection...  (of course... if that happened while I was
hand cranking it???)

Speaking of loud rovers, though... My rover has this great low frequency
chest shaking rumble that I love to hear/feel, and it was great to tool around
brooklyn this weekend setting off car alarms... 

(I know, I know... I just don't trust it enough yet to get too far away from 
the 
apartment... the mud will come soon enough!)

-Scott
 1973 SIII 88"

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From: Vince Sabio <vince@humournet.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:31:19 -0400
Subject: Off-Road Driver's Ed

Okay kids, question for you: I'm thinking of spending a day at the
Land Rover Driving School at The Equinox in Machester, Vermont. A
little on the pricey side, but that's not a problem if it's worth
it. (And they do have a token discount for LR owners.)

Anyone have any experience with them? They offer lessons on both
their driver training course and on "open" trails. Looks interesting,
but I'd kinda like to get a feel for the quality of the program.

FMI: <http://best4x4.landrover.com/?adventures/adventures.html>
Click on "The LR Driving School at the Equinox" (in case that wasn't
patently obvious once the page loaded).

Vince Sabio            Boy & His Sabre: <http://www.insane.net/tsc/Vince/>
vince@humournet.com            Stop Internet Spam! <http://www.cauce.org/>

   Vince's Interior Decorating Tip #37 (collect the whole series!):
       "If it's not spaghetti, it doesn't belong on the wall."

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From: car4doc <car4doc@concentric.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:26:21 -0500
Subject: Back in 109 Brake system HELL (Again...)

Hi All,
 Well As I rebuild my 109 three door I knew this time would come as it
seems to every time I work on 109 brake system.   New wheel cylinders,
master cylinder, & brake lines all around Followed the manual directions
still no solid pedal.   I have bled the air out of the lines & bench
bled the master before installing.  the master is a CB type I am looking
for suggestions.

Regards,
  Rob Davis_Chicago

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From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:55:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: How NOT to recharge a battery

....Does this get me qualified for one of those OVLR awards?

No, but you were really close to a Darwin.....;-)
Smitty

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From: Markus Korth <mkorth@systline.de>
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:41:47 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Re: Land Rover Website

 > A couple of years ago I would have envied me and my trips too.  I was 
 > working 10 to 12 hours a day, was maxed out on my vacation time and 
 > loosing what I should have been accruing.  My self definition and worth 
 > was tied up in my job.

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A very nice essay and so true !!!

Ciao
 Markus

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