Land Rover Owner Message Digest Contents

[ First Message Last | Table of Contents | <- Digest -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]

The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Send Submissions Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net

From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 07:28:03 EDT
Subject: Re: Land Cruiser cum Series truck

In a message dated 98-08-14 06:59:02 EDT, you write:

 but rustproof. That's why I came here, to the source.

I don't really know of any Series Rovers being poorly built. Some are
certainly better than others, but that has a lot to do with how they've been
maintained. Nearly all can be brought back for the dead, but sometimes that
can be really expensive, as with any other car. My personal opionion is that
the Series IIa is the best of the bunch. They are simple and utilitarian, but
have a few really nice improvements over earlier LRs. They are probably the
easiest to find as well. Series IIIs have many nice features, the main thing
being a synchro-mesh gear box, but have a bit too much plastic in them. They
are also a product of the semi-notorious Leyland Group, which churned out some
questionable things. As Bruce at DAP once said to me: "Series III's were
overbuilt, pre 68 Series IIa's were GROSSLY overbuilt." A profit loss for
Rover, and a boon for you.
Obviously, a nice Series III is a MUCH better vehicle than a peice of crap
IIa. Check out the LR FAQ list for info on what to look out for. Frame rust
can be a problem so be careful.
 
 2. Any clubs in VA? 
The oldest club in the US, R.O.A.V., is in Va. It's a great group, and even
though I'm in NC, I'm a member.
Also, In Chester Va, near Richmond, There is a great guy named Larry Smith who
usually has a Series truck or two for sale. His prices are fair, although I
don't think he deals in fixer-uppers, so they may be a bit more expensive than
one that needs work. Keep in mind: Sometimes a Rover that is in good shape is
cheaper than one that needs thousands of dollars in work. I usually buy in the
$4k range. That way you can have a "rolling restoration."
Either way, try to meet Larry. He's a really nice fella and a wealth of
information.
 
 3. If rovers are hard to maintain, then explain they're prominence in 
 the rest of the world, besides the U.S. There must be something to 
 them....
 
They are generally easy to keep running. A good friend of mine who is
CONSTANTLY working on his Cruiser is about ready to give and, well, see the
light and buy a Rover (hahahaha). 
I love the way the Toyotas look, and they do fine off-road, but remember, they
are basically a copy of the LR, Toyota all but admitted that, but  they missed
the boat on simplicity in a few areas. I've never found LRs to be any more of
a cost burden than any other 30 year old car, but I didn't own one whille in
school either!

Take care and see you at the rallyes!
Alex Maiolo
Hillsborough NC

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: Kirk Hillman <khillman@rttinc.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:07:45 -0700
Subject: Re: A few good questions

David,
    Did you do all the modifications at once, or one at a time.  I
remember rebuilding my Chev 350 with a few goodies; I wish I had done
them one at a time so I could tell which change made how much
difference.  Obviously the intake manifold and carb would be the easiest
since it is just unbolt, bolt on, but which mod would you recommend
first?  I haven't even heard of anyone putting headers on a Landy, have
I been out in left field too long?  Where did you get them?
    You do understand, David, now you got me all excited about keeping
this motor and just working with it.  I am going to hound you until you
concede and give me ALL your little secrets!  Honestly though, I would
love to hear more details about what you have done and performance
changes, mileage etc.

Cheers,

Kirk D. Hillman
'66 SIIa soon to be modified!

"And God so loved the world He gave His greatest creation, Land Rover,
but the devil despised that creation, and gave it Lucas."

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:15:07 EDT
Subject: Re: Sliding glass

In a message dated 98-08-12 07:00:56 EDT, you write:

<< If anyone happens to be sitting on one of these pieces of glass (not
 literally, of course, or if you are, please wipe it off)  >>

I, in fact, happen to   have one of these. I can't remember which side it came
off of. Does it matter? Can't it just be flipped upside down for dual use??

Alex Maiolo
Hillsborough NC

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:14:39 +0100
Subject: RE: Sliding glass

> I, in fact, happen to   have one of these. I can't remember which side it came
> off of. Does it matter? Can't it just be flipped upside down for dual use??

The one on my driver side is an upside down passenger side window.
so, yes they can...

-Scott
 1973 SIII 88"

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:11:34 -0700
Subject: Re: A few good questions

Kirk Hillman wrote:
> I haven't even heard of anyone putting headers on a Landy, have
> I been out in left field too long?  Where did you get them?

I have a header on my Rover, although I didn't notice a lot of
improvement. My Rover already has quite a bit of power though, so maybe
that's why I didn't notice. A friend of mine put one on his Rover and
the header seemed to make a big difference. I've heard that before you
work on the intake side, you want to work on the exhaust because if the
cylinder is still full of exhaust gasses, you will have a hard time
sucking more air/fuel in.
Headers are available from AB, I think from RN, and from Clifford
Performance, which is a company that specializes in performance products
for 4 and 6 cyl engines. I think Clifford is the cheapest $199. Their #
is (909)734-3310. I did have to wait a few weeks to get them however,
but they are easy to install, but require a little welding.

Jim Hall
Elephant Chaser (nobody liked Chilly Willy) 1966 IIA 88"

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 07:32:53
Subject: Re: Hawaiian Rovers

Aloha:
	I'm on the 'Big Island', the Island of Hawaii.  A bit far from Oahu and
Pearl Harbor and a long distance phone call.  If you leave the concrete
island and come to Kona, would be happy to chat with you.

	Wayne Haight <whaight@hawaii.edu> is on Oahu.  His rover is messed up
after a wreck that bent the frame.  Last I heard from him, he is in a
quandary whether to part it out or buy a new frame.  Haven't heard from him
in more than a month so don't whether he is still a member of roverdom.
There are other rovers about but we tend to be scattered and somewhat
isolated.  Rumor has it that there are many derelicts on Molokai.  Have
looked at a Rover on Kauai and have heard of a few on Maui.  Used to be a
bunch of yard ornaments here but they were cannibalized in the early 90's
by a commercial operation.

	The Navy got me to the Islands in '69.  Tough duty but somebody has to 
do it.

Peter 

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 11:22:48 -0700
Subject: Back from Greek Peak

I finally made it back from Greek Peak.  I had a wonderful time at the 
meet.  I wanted to say thank you to the organizers who worked so hard to 
make the event successful.  For a first time event of a new organization 
in a new location I think you guys did a bang up job!!!

You put in a lot of time during the event making it go smoothly and it 
showed.  Thanks to your hard work I think the event went well.  

I'm sure that the organizers have been carefully watching to see what 
went right and what didn't so that the next ANARC event will be even 
better yet.  I hope I have the opportunity to attend the next ANARC 
event.  

While at Greek Peak I represented British Pacific in the vendor area.  I 
mostly handed out catalogues, price lists and answered questions.  
Unfortunately it kept me mostly in the vendor area but a lot of people 
dropped by and I was able to meet many people in person that I have been 
corresponding with for years.  Thank you for dropping by and introducing 
yourselves while I was "stuck" at the display table.

A special thanks to the gallant boys from Virginia who provided the 
evening entertainment ;*)

Take care & THANKS!!!!

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: Sski3@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 14:42:10 EDT
Subject: Clayton 88 sale

Hi Clay; I hope I have the right person. I bought a tailgate from you in the
spring and was supposed to get a rear cross member to, but I lost your name
and # . If you still have it I, ll come and get it. I lost the directions also
so I' ll need that to. Your in Rochester right?  Please  mail me direct.
   I,m sorry to here that your getting rid of the Rover, Its a nice one.
Steve Falkowski
69 SII 88
Merrimack NH

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: Sski3@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 15:01:18 EDT
Subject: 98 Screen saver

Hi all; I just noticed that the new camel trophy saver is out. There are 2,go
to
http://best4x4.landrover.com/?adventures/adventures.html

Steve F 
69SIIA 88 bug eye

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 12:40:27 -0700
Subject: I owe someone $5 from Greek Peak

I picked up a used part from someone at Greek Peak on my way across the 
field & didn't have any $$ on me.  I was planing on making it back to pay 
the $5 for it but ended up doing 'vendor booth duty' until it was too 
late to get back.

So if someone can e-mail me, tell me what I bought and provide your 
address I'll mail a check to you.

My sincere appologies for not making it back to you before you left the 
event.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 12:42:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Fuel sender

>Will the +ve earth fuel sender work on a -ve ground setup?  Can it be
>"repolarised"  like the generator, or do I have to buy a -ve earthed
>one?

Fuel gauges used on Land Rovers are thermal devices.  Heating a wire 
causes the needle to move.  Where the needle sits depends upon how much 
current is flowing through the gauge.  The sender unit is a variable 
resistor that determines the amount of current flowing through the gauge. 
 It doesn't mater to this kind of gauge if the system is positive earth 
or negative earth.

What matters is that the gauge and sender work properly together.  Rover 
used basically two kinds of gauges & sender units on series rigs.  The 
cars that originally came with positive earth have a sender unit that has 
a small tower that sits above the mounting flange.  The cars that 
originally came with negative earth use a sender unit that has a flat 
mounting flange.  Only the connectors stick up.  You can not use an early 
gauge with a late sender & visa versa.

This has to do with the direction that the 'variable resistor' is wound 
and not polarization.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 12:43:27 -0700
Subject: Re: Greak Peak vs Portland ABFM

>I don't think that I'll be making it to Greek Peak, but from what I
;>hear, there will be 500+ Land Rovers at this year's Portland (OR) All
;>British Field Meet on the Labour Day long weekend.  Looks inviting.  I
;>may be able to make the 300 mile trip, depending on how much work I can
;>do to the LR over the next month.  Anybody else fron the left coast
;>going to make it to Portland?

;>Paul in Victoria.

Hi Paul!

I plan to be in Portland.  I just need to do laundry from the Greek Peak 
trip, clean the refrigerator and I'm ready to go.  I don't think Ill even 
take the stuff off the roof rack since I would just need to put it back 
on in a couple of days.  I expect to arrive Friday afternoon & camp on 
the field with the other LRs.

The last few years we have been seeing a little over 100 LRs at this 
meet.  I for one would be very surprised to see over 150 LRs there.  
However, the people are wonderful and this has been my favorite meet of 
the year for a lot of years.  I personally consider it a not to be missed 
meet and have attended every year since 1987 when I came in my TR3.

Interestingly, this meet seems to becoming the defacto North American 
international Dormobile meet.  It annually brings together that largest 
number of Dormobiles of any event I know of in North America.

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 12:44:40 -0700
Subject: Re: Gerry Elam @ Greek Peak

Gerry Elam writes:

>  As Ben Smith and TeriAnn will attest, I'm a BUFF (big uglyfat .... fellow). 
;
I will NOT attest to that.  I think Gerry is kinda cute but he may be 
suffering from some self image problems (aren't we all).  And from my 
perspective I think the world is too full of small people and things 
designed specifically to fit small people.  I keep getting the feeling 
that I'm in a 3/4 scale world.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 12:44:58 -0700
Subject: Re: How fast should I go (was overdrive question) 

>C. Marin Faure wrote:
;  
;>> The redline of the 2.25 petrol engine is 4,250 rpm.  If you drive with
;>> the engine turning consistently at 4,000 rpm, you are only 250 rpm 
away
;>> from its maximum rpm.  Needless to say, this is not the best way to
;>> prolong the life of the engine.

Ben Smith replies:
  
;>	 I was guessing asto the rpms since I don't have a tach.  I'm fairly
;>sure that it is greater than 3000 and I was guessing 4000 at 62mph.

TeriAnn Adds:

Ben I have 32 inch tyres.  I calculate I'm doing about 62 MPH at 3500 RPM 
on my tach.

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 12:45:08 -0700
Subject: Re: How fast should I go (was overdrive question)

>Subject: How fast should I go (was overdrive question)
;

Ben Smith (Experienced with more long distance series driving than any 
one I know) says:

;>My Series III currently has 32" tyres.  Without the OD I have a
;>self imposed top speed of about 62 mph.  At that speed I'm turning about
;>4000 rpm (or at least it seems that way to me).

To which C. Marin Faure replies (Lots of convincing argument editing for 
brevity):

<SNIP>

;>The redline of the 2.25 petrol engine is 4,250 rpm.  If you drive with
;>the engine turning consistently at 4,000 rpm, you are only 250 rpm away
;>from its maximum rpm.  Needless to say, this is not the best way to
;>prolong the life of the engine. 

<SNIP>

;>I don't want to imply that the engine in a Series Land Rover will fail
;>immediately if driven consistently at 4,000 rpm.  But it's life will
;>definitely be shortened. 

<SNIP>

;>Since buying my Series III new in 1973, I have made it a practice to
;>never take the engine over 3,000 rpm except when absolutely needed, such
;>as when merging onto a highway or whatever.  With the overdrive and the
;>tires I have fitted, 3,000 rpm gives me a speed of about 55 mph.

To which TeriAnn belatedly adds:

I drive by paying attention to my tach.  Over the years I have noticed 
that my 2-1/4L petrol engine seems to feel smoothest and "happy" between 
about 3000 and 3400 RPM.  This is the range I cruise at.  In my car 3200 
RPM is 55 MPH.

I notice the power markedly decreasing as the engine falls below about 
2600 RPM.

When trying for fastest acceleration to merge into traffic, I upshift at 
4000 RPM.
When trying to maintain best speed on a hill I normaly downshift at about 
2400 RPM.  Otherwise I downshift around 2000 to 2200 RPM.

These numbers seem to work best for my engine in my car.  I too would 
worry about spending a day cruising real close to the red line, but Ben 
is the most experieinced long distance highway cruiser that I know.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

"How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare"
Amelia Earhart 1898-1937

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: Dan & Sally Cantwell <dcantwel@cgo.wave.ca>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 16:50:52 -0400
Subject: TW    re: How fast should I go:overdrive question

> To which TeriAnn belatedly adds:
> I drive by paying attention to my tach.  Over the years I have noticed
> that my 2-1/4L petrol engine seems to feel smoothest and "happy" between
> about 3000 and 3400 RPM.  This is the range I cruise at.  In my car 3200
> RPM is 55 MPH.

Hi TeriAnn.
   I just read this posting of yours on the lro list and was wondering if you
were running with an overdrive or any other types of reducers i.e. diff.
ratios, or trans. case ratio change, or if this is just stock Land-Rover
mechanics? I was also curious as to your tire size. I suppose they would be
16" rims since you have a '60 (7.50x16)?
Take care and thanks in advance,
Dan Cantwell
'61 SII 88 HT

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 15:56:25 -0700
Subject: Re: TW    re: How fast should I go:overdrive question

>Hi TeriAnn.
;>   I just read this posting of yours on the lro list and was wondering 
if you
;>were running with an overdrive or any other types of reducers i.e. diff.
;>ratios, or trans. case ratio change, or if this is just stock Land-Rover
;>mechanics? I was also curious as to your tire size. I suppose they 
would be
;>16" rims since you have a '60 (7.50x16)?
;>Take care and thanks in advance,
;>Dan Cantwell

I have an overdrive fitted.  The tach readings I provided was for the 
overdrive NOT engaged.  This would be the same as a non-OD equipped car.

I have the stock gear ratios.

My car has 265/75/16 B.F.Goodrich Mud Terain tyres mounted onto 7 inch 
wide steel Discovery rims.  I believe that the diameter is 32 inches.

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:30:39 -0400
Subject: Axle shaft

John, I must dispute your surveys findings, I think you perhaps mistyped.
The short half shaft fails more frequently than the long one. Simply
explained, if the axles  are  stressed so that the ends are twisted say 10
degrees, the helix angle of the twist in the short shaft is more severe
than the twist in the long shaft. So for equal loadings the short shaft is
more highly stressed and it's fatigue life is shorter. I responded to the
survey,  in the thirty years I have been driving Land Rovers I have repalced
dozens of short shafts and perhaps only a couple of long ones.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:38:51 -0400
Subject: Squealing brakes

Uhdi,  --   A common fix for sqealing brakes is to  chamfer the leading and
trailing edges of the brake linings, this can be performed easily with a
file.. Are you using bonded or rivetted linings ? If the rivetted linings
are not fitted closely tot the shoe it can resut in squeels also. 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:07:08 -0500
Subject: RE: Fuel sender

So Teri Ann

What will happen if I use the old style sender with a smith guage?

Cwolfe

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 03:05:58 EDT
Subject: Self-image... Tigger rides again.

I said <<>  As Ben Smith and TeriAnn will attest, I'm a BUFF (big uglyfat ....
fellow). >>

Then TAW says

Ha!  That's the first thing that John Hong said too.  About not being
fat...er... not cute.

On a more serious (and believable) note,  I finally finished the right-side
front seals to stop a severe leak.  I'll finish bleeding the brakes tomorrow
morning and hopefully I can stop putting miles on the Discovery.  I feel
guilty driving it since the temps have been tolerable at only 106 degrees this
week.  Summer in Phoenix is almost over!  Yeah!

I offered to drive my co-workers to lunch the other day and they demanded to
know which vehicle I was in before they'd committ.   Wimps....  There were 5
of us.  Tigger would have had no problem!

Who are the welding experts out there?  What should a DIY purchase?  I went
through some old LROI's and they recommend a MIG unit with lots of practice.
Agree?

Later....
Gerry Elam
PHX AZ
"So many Rovers, so little time"

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

  END OF * LIST DIGEST 
 Input:  messages 22 lines 1014 [forwarded 28 whitespace 0]
 Output: lines 724 [content 603  forwarded 28 (cut  0) whitespace 0]

This has been the last portion of the lro-digest-ltd

If you would like to unsubscribe from this service contact
Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net and request 'unsubscribe lro-digest-ltd'

The lro-digest-ltd is the same content as the lro-digest, but it is split
into a number of smaller pieces which are limited in size to 400 lines.

This is to allow access by users whose mail servers may not allow larger
messages (typicaly over 30KB).

Today's multipart digest is composed of the following portions:

   lines   chars	portions

Digest Messages Copyright 1990-1999 by the original poster or/and Empire Rover Owners Society, All rights reserved. Photos & text Copyright 1990-1999 Bill Caloccia, All rights reserved. Empire/LRO List of charges for Empire/LRO Policies against the distribution of unsolicited commercial e-mail (aka SPAM). Empire/LRO fees for the distribution of unsolicited commercial e-mail (aka SPAM). Frequently Asked Questions
<--Back	HOME	TOP	Forward -->	height=31 width=88 alt="Made with Macintosh" border=0>