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From: JKwas61947@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:28:20 EDT
Subject: Re: Landy blues

Adrian,

    Don't give them all up just yet.  After all, when you spend so much time
with a vehicle, you are destined to find all of it's shortcomings.  It's like
a wife or a child.  There are times when you would trade them for a nickle,
all the while knowing in your heart that you never would.  It's like that with
Rovers, too.  Imagine what it would be like in 6 months from now if you sold
all of your Landies today.  You would be starting to notice all of the door
dings in your beautiful new Jap 4X4, and perhaps the electronic gear selector
would be on the blink, causing you to go back to the dealer because you dont
know squat about electronic gear selectors (or maybe you do..) and can't fix
it yourself.  If you decide to check the Internet web sites for Jap 4x4 tech
info, you'll most likely find all kind of articles on how to install an
amplifier for your stereo or how to lower the vehicle for better cornering or
how to install neon lighting in the undercarriage.  What you will not find is
a group of fellow owners going through all of the same shit that you're going
through every day.  Both the good and the bad.  
     We have all comiserated and celebrated with you over the past 6 months or
more as you repaired your wrecked Rover (which may well have saved your wifes
life. What could have happened without that 4" by 4" box of frame just beside
her?).  That is a huge project, but you did what 99% of people on earth would
not even dare to do.  You fixed a vehicle in your garage or your driveway that
was probably scrap.  To most on this list, that is just a day in the life.
However, the next time you're having a conversation with a friend that is not
a car lover, just mention what you were able to do.  I guarantee, he will
think you are both crazy and a genius.  And that's because you are.  We all
are.  
     I'd like to guess that most people on this list do not drive a Land Rover
because we cannot afford anything else.  No, when you see a Land Rover going
down the road (at least in the USA), you can be certain that that  person is
having a love affair with their car.  Do you think the same thing when you see
somebody going down the street in a Ford Explorer?
     So, my friend Adrian, sell one or two Landies.  Do not sell that third
one, because if you do, it will be a matter of months (perhaps a year, you
sound pretty blue, indeed) before you  start reading the papers looking for
another Land Rover in need of a loving and caring home.  Put the remaining
Rover in storage for a while, buy something else to drive.  Even buy a new
car.  Once you plop down the MANY thousands of dollars for a bland, entry
level appliance, you may begin to see what a value your Rover is.  To really
see it, drive your new car home from the dealer, but on the way stop by a book
store and get on of those books that tells you used car values.  Check and see
how much less your new car, which you just bought 15 minutes before, is now
worth.  On second thought, stop by the book store on the way to the car
dealer.
    Rovers will always be a part of your life.  Maybe they just need to be a
smaller part.

Good luck.  Keep the faith.  Long live the 2.25

John Kwasnik
Sherburne NY

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From: ecrover@midcoast.com (ECR Staff)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:14:02 -0500
Subject: Rover rumors & hello!

Dear all,
Nice to meet a few more of you at Greek Peak, Teri Ann, and others.
The reason for my intrusion onto the list is... a freind of mine passed on
some rumor information to me this weekend (first I had heard of it). Seems
company X here in Maine is being investigated, or has been investigated, by
the US government ( I don't know what is going on other than rumors, so not
wanting to spread more untruths, I won't elaborate). They were part of
another company in the UK I guess. What I heard was that I had something to
do with company X and the DOT??? I have never seen any of the Rovers that
company X brought in, and was actually working with company Y in the UK to
get a client of mine a Lightweight as they seemed to have a way to get late
model stuff in that they said was legal because they were ex-military
vehicles. I heard that they brought in many Rovers and that the Gov. caught
on to something they were doing. Something tells me if you ship a couple
dozen or so Rovers to Maine somebody, somewhere just might take a close
look at them, but then again the fact that they are being investigated
might just be a rumor as well as far as I know (that is why no names).
Other than that, all the strange rumors I have heard are news to me.
I'd sure like to know who started that one. Must have been because they
were in Maine and so am I??? Someone must have had some logic in there
somewhere. If anyone knows who started that one (not likely I'm sure) I'd
like to know. This is the kind of stuff that I would take action against,
even though I really hate the typical US lawyer happy type.
Anyway...
Best to all hope you all have a great summer season (winter for those
down-under),
See ya!
Mike Smith

Have a great day!

East Coast Rover Co. staff
21 Tolman Road
Warren, ME 04864
207-594-8086
207-594-8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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From: CAPTPAYNE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:32:41 EDT
Subject: Re: Recovery Kits (was: potentially lethal event)

As for recovery equipment.  I recently had several acres of my timber
harvested by proffesional loggers.  After watching them for several hours, I
ordered some logging equipment for my LR.  I know.  It is over the top, but I
feel much safer with this equipment than anything ever supplied with an
automotive winch.  I've been using the assorted shackles, pulley blocks, etc.
to clear away the mess left by the loggers.  The defender works quite well as
a tractor.

Don Payne
94D90 #1331

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:58:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Recovery Kits (was: potentially lethal event)

I presume that it is not just me that is getting a copy of this every five
minutes?

David

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From: "Michael Johnson" <johnsonm@borg.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:05:14 -0400
Subject: speaking of potentially lethal events

DIE YOU SCURVY B@S^ERD!!!!

That should do it

end
Mike Johnson
74 SIII 88 (Chester)
96 Disco SD (Hers)

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From: Markus Korth <mkorth@systline.de>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:20:02 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Re: Recovery Kits (was: potentially lethal event)

Hi !

 > I presume that it is not just me that is getting a copy of this every five
 > minutes?

No, it's not only you - and, by the way, now I'm getting your email
every five minutes, too...

Ciao
 Markus

-- 
Markus Korth              |      SYSTline 
mkorth@systline.de        |      Heiden Lemmermann 
Essen/Germany             |      Systemhaus GmbH
Key fingerprint = FA 10 36 1E A1 F7 F3 02  0D A9 14 60 A8 51 E4 D3

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:45:12 -0700
Subject: multi copies

Someone fell asleep at the helm...........

I am glad other people ARE getting multiple copies - means it is not just in
my computer.
I need that self assurance - like, hey, does everyone else's Land Rover leak
also?
:-)

Cheers
David
Full-time father of a 3.7 year old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:55:39 -0700
Subject: Oh, my......

I'm not immune, oh my God (vision the Scream)

I will check mail later when this is all 'fixed"

CAUTION ***** ALL MESSAGES ARE COMING MULTIPLE TIMES ***** LOOKS LIKE ONE
EVERY THIRTY SECONDS.

Cheers
David
Full-time father of a 3.7 year old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: Markus Korth <mkorth@systline.de>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:00:25 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Oh, my......

 > I'm not immune, oh my God (vision the Scream)
 > 
 > I will check mail later when this is all 'fixed"
 > 
 > CAUTION ***** ALL MESSAGES ARE COMING MULTIPLE TIMES ***** LOOKS LIKE ONE
 > EVERY THIRTY SECONDS.

Okay, okay, you are right - it made a fault when replying to the
original post - the answer should have gone directly to the poster...

Ciao
 Markus

-- 
Markus Korth              |      SYSTline 
mkorth@systline.de        |      Heiden Lemmermann 
Essen/Germany             |      Systemhaus GmbH
Key fingerprint = FA 10 36 1E A1 F7 F3 02  0D A9 14 60 A8 51 E4 D3

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From: "Chris Dillard" <cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:34:34 -0400
Subject: FOR SALE: RN Kinetic Recovery Strap

I have an UN-USED Rovers North Kinetic Recovery Strap that I would like to
sale for $100 plus shipping due to the fact that I have never had a
situation in which I have needed it. I have several other recovery straps
that have worked well for the amount of off-roading that I do. This is a
great strap from what I hear but have had the opportunity to use mine.
Please e-mail me off line if your interested.

Cheers,

Christopher Dillard
Database Administrator        Phone: 864-987-8633
BONUSCARD Marketing           Fax:  864-675-5456
Ahold USA (BI-LO Inc.)        E-Mail:cdillard@aholdusa.com
Greenville SC USA             www.bi-lo.com

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 10 Aug 98 08:47:24 MST
Subject: Big brother watching - Goodbye - THANKS - unsubscribe

From:  David Brown - Graphics Specialist ~SRP~ E-mail: debrown@srp.gov
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
                                    Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
I sincerely regret to have to do this, but have been reprimanded by "big
brother" (company - employer) who has informed me (like I didn't already
know) that my email activity with "Range Rover" content is unacceptable and
is to be ceased. Actually, my immediate supervisor is very good about it,
but none the less, sadly, I must unsubscribe.

Just a brief moment to thank all of you LR lovers out there for about 5
years of support, educating, and commerodity that was well worth any
reprimand, (unless I lose my job, then I hate you all!) (Just kidding!!) I
have learned SO much, and could never begin to thank all of you!

(Just a side note, all the disgruntled notes about the last rally may have
been the trigger that blew the whistle on me! PLEASE, for your own benefit,
keep the complaining and gossip to a minimum! I may be able to have stayed
with you all if not for the EXCESSIVE grumbling among the ranks... but maybe
this was inevitable.

Regardless, I must unsubscribe, and wish you all the very best!

GOD, I'm gonna miss you all!!!

In all sincerity and deepest, warmest regards, Dave Brown '87 Range Rover
(4.6 engine, Haltech computer, Bilsteins, Optima, Headers, Lock right, OME
springs, etc... etc... and '71 IIa 88. Military shackles, and pretty much
stock remainder.

P.S. PLEASE feel free to contact me on any personal issues, or questions, a
little bit of email, I am told, is okay, but not the quantity that I had!

Dave...

 Never give up your life for          #=======#         _____l___
 anything that death can take         |__|__|__\___    //__|__|__\___
 away.            -annonymous  __\ _  | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
                               O---O  "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:54:58 -0600
Subject: Re: Potentially lethal event

Hi All-

Having BTDT (Sort of) recently, I can understand the inportance of
STRONG tow attachment points. The Left front dumbiron on "The Beast" was
rusty and whilst getting snatched from a bog at the Steamboat Springs
rally, my bumper was removed!

In Hindsight, (Ain't it wonderful!!) if I had been winched out, or not
snatched but slowly towed out, my bumper would still be attacheded and I
wouldn't still be looking at such a massive welding job ,but----

Pictures and story on my website
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/6339/rallytext if interested in my
sad tale!

Art

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From: "Chris Dillard" <cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:25:35 -0400
Subject: FOR SALE: RN Kinetic Recovery Strap

I have an UN-USED  Rovers North Kinetic Recovery Strap that I would like to
sell. I'm asking $100 plus shipping. I never even unpacked it from Rovers
North (It was a case of, I thought that I would need it but really didn't).
I have several other high quality, heavy duty rigging recovery straps that
have worked flawlessly in the past and would rather have the $$ for other
LR goodies. <grin> Please e-mail me off-line if your interested.

Cheers,

Christopher Dillard
Database Administrator        Phone: 864-987-8633
BONUSCARD Marketing           Fax:  864-675-5456
Ahold USA (BI-LO Inc.)        E-Mail:cdillard@aholdusa.com
Greenville SC USA             www.bi-lo.com

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:26:52 -0500
Subject: test

Lets see if it's been worked out.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:51:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Suspension and Carbs]

I just put a new webber 1bbl in my 88 and now gt 17.5 miles to the gallon,
a big improvement over my old solex which only got 16mpg once...

As for my rover its a 65 with a '70 8:1 engine that has 90,000+ miles on
it, overall I've been very pleased with the new carb...

Matt Nelson
Oneonta NY

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From: msullivan@paravant.com (Mark Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:58:28 -0400
Subject: Gearbox

How do you tell a Suffix A or B box?

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From: daitken@sugar-land.anadrill.slb.com (Douglas Aitken)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:50:48 -0500
Subject: Re: [D90] Big brother watching - Goodbye - THANKS - unsubscribe

At 08:47 AM 8/10/98 -0700, debrown@srp.gov wrote:
>From:  David Brown - Graphics Specialist ~SRP~ E-mail: debrown@srp.gov
>       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
>                                    Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
>I sincerely regret to have to do this, but have been reprimanded by "big
>brother" (company - employer) who has informed me (like I didn't already
>know) that my email activity with "Range Rover" content is unacceptable and
>is to be ceased. Actually, my immediate supervisor is very good about it,
>but none the less, sadly, I must unsubscribe.

David:
Don't let this get you off the lists! Get yourself an E-mail address from
some cheap (free?) outfit like Yahoo and stick with us!

As for .gov.....  what can we say!  You should know that playing around
with SUV's is not politically correct.........  and on Government time, in
the office????

As soon as our glorious president gets over his current diversions caused
by his fixation on banging cheap, easy, big-haired bimbos in his office, he
will personally come to reprimand you for your subversive interests and
non-productive office activities......

Doug and Kim Aitken 						Phone (home) 
(713) 797-0919 
'95 Red Defender 90 5-speed 				Fax (home) (713) 
797-1757 
'95 Aspen Silver Range Rover 4.0 			Mobile: (713) 562-8585 
			E-mail daitken@sugar-land.anadrill.slb.com 

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:07:05 -0700
Subject: RE: Gearbox

The suffix (end bit) of the serial number on the side of the
transmission will be either A or B.  Really old transmissions (like the
one I have circa 1960 - 61) don't have a suffix letter.

Paul in Victoria

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From: "David R. Bobeck"<dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:41:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Brake lights,l pressure switch, and a weird fuse 

>I'll have to begin this by saying that my rover's electrical system 
>sucks... 

blows more often than it sucks

>So how does a 1973 SIII's brake lights work? My tail lights have 
>no connection for a brake light..

get rid on em. put the proper ones on. you can get the original ones 
or the earlier version (still available) for pretty cheap. They come 
with pigtails that connect to the wiringt harness via bullet 
connectors. The bulb does have two filaments. 

>Rovers; north says that the 1973 tail light assembly is NLA, but 
>to use either 532809 ($59.09) which has three leads... make sense 
>to me... tail, brake, and ground...

'73 had a squarish lens housing, they really just "reach out" to 
grab thos tress, then it takes 6 mos to find a NOS replacement. 
Don't spend the $$$$ from RN. these are readily available bits 
that you should be able to get cheap soemwhere else. 

> or to use RTC5532 ($15.00) which only has two leads.
>.. this makes less sense to me... is the body ground and the two 
>leads the tail and brake lights?

don't know about this, RN will tell you.

>My oil pressure light is not connected at all.. I'd like to connect
>.this just to know that it's there... do I just run +12 to one side of 
>the two prongs and the other to the OIL light the to ground? I'm asking
>cause I wouldn't know how to know that it's not working right... 

wiring diagram is pretty clear on this. Everything you need to know about 
reading the diagram is in the diagram. Simple as that.

>And I found this fuse holder... It is located under a plastic 
>shoulder/corner on the far top left end of the dash... It was 
>empty and there's a considerable amout of my dash that doesn't 
>work, 

err, Taylor, is that you? Really, this is *not* a fuse holder, it is a lamp 
that is supposed to illuminate the dash switches. Call RN and ask them to send 
you the correct lamp. Then you will nkw what it looks like and you can source 
yuor replacements elsewhere.

later
daveb

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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:27:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Gearbox

>How do you tell a Suffix A or B box?

Depends on what you have to tell them.  In most cases I would sit them down
and just tell them the truth.  It's the only way you know....
The Suffix is stamped on the box itself right on the top (I think).

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
				Dennis Miller

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From: "A.G.Dolsa" <dolsa@emporion.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:55:52 +0200
Subject: RE: [Fwd: Suspension and Carbs]

For experience I know that an Weber consummate less as the Solex .

I use in my 88"III a Weber 34 ICR S/1

In metrics measures 11,5 liters each 100 kilometers

In Spain is not usual the petrol motor

  ===============             Alfons G. Dolsa
  ||--------||  \\            Entomologist
  ||        ||   \\   ____    Museum of Butterflies of Catalonia
|#||________||____\\__####__  http://www.emporion.net/museu
|#|-Land Rover----- \-------] 86" - 88"III - 88"III
|#|  _____   |      |  _____| http://emporion.net/landrover.htm
 _| //---\\__|______|_//---\\
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From: "Kenner, Dixon" <Dixon.Kenner@ms.rc.x400.gc.ca>
Date: 10 Aug 1998 14:01:00 -0400
Subject: Geek Peak

Wading through piles of email messages (I've been off the lists for
the better part of two weeks) I see that the ANARC event has
generated quite a bit of traffic.  This is good, because it is going
to make my next job a lot easier.  

Sure we made some mistakes.  That is why one of my tasks is to 
put together something for us that outlines what we did right,
what we did wong, what we need to change for next year.  Assuming
we want to do this again, next year will be a lot better.  You learn
from mistakes.  However, don't forget, we did do more things
right than wrong.  On the whole,  I think it was a pretty fine event.
We showed that clubs to get together and put on an event that was
larger than adding up the attendance of each of their individual 
events.  A pretty good example of the whole being greater than the
sum of its parts I think.

Some people have raised a few concerns about the ANARC rally.
Let me offer this.  The event was organised by remote control.  It
is amazing that communications have developed to the extent where
Sandy can sit at home in Virginia, I in Ottawa, Chris Brown in Boston,
Bill Caloccia near Boston (and the numerous other people on the
ANARC mailing list) and put together an event in a location that is 
a minimum couple humdred miles away.  This couldn't even be 
attempted five years ago.  Add to this mix, people with different
personalities, different ways of doing things, the necessity to delegate
tasks and then have the trust in them that they will hopefully come 
off...  Resist the temptation to meddle in other peoples assigned tasks,
take corrective action...  You find that some people did far more than
was ever expected, and some did less.  On the whole, you have to sit
and ask yourself if going to the rally was really worth it.

One last thing.  There seems to be some confusion about what ANARC
actually is.  ANARC is a very young version of the ARC.  ANARC is a 
club of clubs.  It does not, nor will it ever have individuals as members.  
It acts to co-ordinate events between clubs, foster better communications 
between clubs, set up some sort of inter-club competitions (the RTV 
et cetera).  It is definately not something that will  ever rival or upsurp 
the role of any club.  Sandy, Chris and I set up ANARC to help each 
other knowing full well that ANARC could do far more for all of us 
that we could do individually.  It is still in its infancy, it will make 
mistakes.  
It is still growing.  At seven months of age it did this rally.  Think of
what it will be able to do in the future as more clubs join.  We hope it will 
grow into something that will help all of the  Land Rover clubs in North 
America.

BTW, One thing that we did screw up badly on...  Credit.  Bill outlined the
players in the RTV.  Here are some more names...

John Cassidy and Barry Enis who ran the registration at the site.
Trevor Easton and Jonathon Ward who put on the Gymkahna
Christine Rose, Dave Meadows, Nathalie Willeys and Barry Hunt who 
manned the merchandise tent and made sure everyone went away with 
what they  wanted.  Dave Lowe & Team Daphne for collecting all the 
trash about the site.  I could fill a page with all the other people who
would come up to one of the principles involved and offered to help.

When we get our heads back together, finish dealing with the event (there 
are still bills to be paid, other obligations etc) we will make a decision on 
next 
year.   Just be patient... :-)

Rgds,

Dixon
(ANARC Secretary)

(Constructive comments, good or bad to me.  Others to /dev/null)
PS.  Sandy, you've seen the Big Green Beastie.  Think I could give
that buffalo of yours a migrane?  :-)  It's almost time for the annual 
engine rebuild.  I'm considering using a new part!  (No Alan, not
paint...)

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From: "Ray Burton" <Ray_Burton@usairways.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:34:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Geek Peak

Dixon,

I agree with you.  I think that 98% did have a good time, even most of the
people with complaonts.  I'd defintiely return next year.

Regards,
Ray Burton

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From: JKwas61947@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:41:27 EDT
Subject: sIIa 88 galv marsland frame for sale

    I've got to sell my frame.  No time to do the frame-over.  It's a SIIa 88
Marsland I bought from A-B last year.  New ones go for $1400 (that's the
cheapest I've seen).  I'm selling mine for $1200, and I'll drive up to 100
miles to deliver it or to meet you part way.
    For $3500, I'll sell the frame, new shocks, new springs, new steering
relay, rebuilt axles (front: new swivels, pins, gaiters, seals.  Back: new 1/2
shafts), rebuilt engine (0 miles).  
    These prices are at a loss for me.  I've got to sell because I'm moving
and won't have the storage, and we've got a new baby coming in September and
I'll have no time.  I'd be willing to take trades (I'll never be too busy for
an interesting trade!).
     Call me at 607-674-6256 (h) or 607-674-9693 (w) or e-mail me.

   I'm located in Central New York, 30 miles south of Utica and 35 miles east
of Greek Peak.

Thanks
John Kwasnik 
Sherburne NY

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From: John Wood <jwood@solihullsociety.org>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:04:20 -0600
Subject: **ATTENTION MASS. LR CLUB!!**

To any and all Land Rover clubs in the area of 
Giminy Peak Ski Area.

I received a call from a Paul at the mountain. It appears that your group 
annually does a trip up the back side of the mountain. The folks at the 
mountain would like to invite you to climb the back, descend the front, and 
partake in a parade of Land 
Rovers in your honor at their base area festivities...

Please contact paul at 413/738-5500  x. 324

Yours'
K. John Wood
Solihull Society- Event Co-

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:15:27 -0400
Subject: RE: sIIa 88 galv marsland frame for sale

John, I just called you about your frame.  Nice talking to you and glad
I got to you first.  Sure wish I knew about this last weekend while I
was at Greek Peak....oh well.
Does the frame have the steering relay installed? (As in the 'frame over
specials' as advertised by AB?)  If not, I will need the steering relay
as well.   Also interested in the front springs. (and do the springs
include fasteners?...u-bolts/nuts, plates, etc.?)
How much for the relay and springs?
John, I noticed in re-reading your ad your offer to deliver w/in 100
miles.  Any chance I could get you to deliver these items to Johnson
City?  I can send my brother a certified check and have him hand it to
you at delivery. 
(Did you ever try to get a nephew (25 yrs. old.) to do anything in the
way of a favor for his uncle?)  Damn near impossible! 
Let me know...at this address or at:
 jjt@bigfoot.com

Thanks,

John Tackley
Richmond, VA
804.744.8920

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From: JKwas61947@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:47:31 EDT
Subject: Re: **ATTENTION MASS. LR CLUB!!**

In a message dated 98-08-10 16:09:18 EDT, you write:

.<< To any and all Land Rover clubs in the area of 
. Giminy Peak Ski Area.
. 
. I received a call from a Paul at the mountain. It appears that your group
annually. .does a trip up the back side of the mountain. The folks at the
mountain would like to .invite you to climb the back, descend the front, and
partake in a parade of Land .Rovers in your honor at their base area
festivities...
 . >>

Please post on this list if this event takes place.  I'm 2.5 hours from Giminy
(Jiminy?) Peak.  Skied there lots in college....drank there lots in college...

John Kwasnik

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:59:28 -0400
Subject: Reverse switch

Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com> wrote:

>Hmm... Can't seem to find in the manual where the reverse switch is
>that turns on the reverse lights... Could someone point me in the 
>right direction?

It's on the side of the shifter box, *way* up under the tunnel.  It's
unreachable unless you remove the tunnel cover itself.  Be forewarned, the
original-style reverse switch is no longer available.  I've found that the
leads to the switch are extra long and can sometimes foul on brush and get
pulled loose.  Chances are yours has just come loose, as not that much can
go wrong with the switch itself.  BTW, the polarity/position of the leads
doesn't matter....Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:42:02 +0100
Subject: RE: Landy blues

> I'd like to guess that most people on this list do not drive a Land Rover
> because we cannot afford anything else.  No, when you see a Land Rover going
> down the road (at least in the USA), you can be certain that that  person is
> having a love affair with their car.  

Actually... for me, it's a convenient coincedence that it's both of those =:)

-Scott
 1973 SIII 88"

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:02:09 EDT
Subject: Starter/solenoid question

Hi all,

In the situation where there are good grounding points, new battery and new
wiring, I now experience the problem that every once in a while, when the key
is turned, there is a single click then nothing.  

Somehow, I find that disconnecting the battery, and tapping the solenoid and
starter with a hammer then reconnecting battery allows the starter to engage
most times.

Do I assume this is a starter or solenoid problem?

Nate

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:01:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Starter/solenoid question

NADdMD@aol.com wrote:

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From: JKwas61947@aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:43:26 EDT
Subject: Re: Starter/solenoid question

In a message dated 98-08-10 19:05:17 EDT, you write:

.<< Somehow, I find that disconnecting the battery, and tapping the solenoid
and
. starter with a hammer then reconnecting battery allows the starter to engage
.most times.
 
. Do I assume this is a starter or solenoid problem?
. >>

Nate,

     Try jumping the solenoid with a screw-driver.  If it makes the starter
turn every time, you may have a problem with the ignition switch.
     The next time it happens, try putting the car in gear and rock it back
and forth so that it "bumps" on the transmission.  Then try starting it.  I
know a guy with a '64 Caddy with symptoms similar to what you describe, and he
has to do this about 3 times a week.  Works every time, though.  Dont ask me
why.
     It still sounds like a ground to me, though.  Check your battery cables,
especially where they attach to the battery terminal clamps, starter, and the
gound point.  Make sure the cables are making good contact with the part that
actually gets bolted to the frame (or block, or starter).  Then use sand paper
to clean up the terminals and terminal clamps. (I know, this was probably the
first thing you did)

Good luck

John -  PS, please dont send e-mail about how stupid it is to jump a solenoid
with a screw driver.  At least I'm not trying to get a tire on the rim using
starter fluid.

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:23:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Michelin tires

Thanks for the reply. It is a sad commentary on the Michelin company, but it
would appear from the responses it is not only the Montreal office which is
incapable of providing professional sales service.In this era of instant
communication the response I received from Michelin was at best pityfull and
at worst downright incompetent.
A thought........Frank Elson ........are you out there .........do you have a
number for a dealer in Mancunia or  Miles Platting or some other location. The
LRO big tyre test listed a Michelin 4x4 tyre type but didn`t identify the
actual manuf. no.

Franklin H. Yap wrote:

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From: James Wolf <J.Wolf@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:30:37
Subject: Jeep

>We did determine that the attaching bolt pulled right out of the
>nuts. Probably they were too short.

Anyone care to guess what the bonus was for the  MBA that came up with this
cost saving idea?

Jeeps, at least NEW jeeps are crap!

Jim Wolf

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:56:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Geek Peak

New parts........NEW PARTS..........Dixon... get a grip......What a concept.

Kenner, Dixon wrote:

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From: asanna <asanna@sacofoods.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:55:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Starter/solenoid question

>PS, please dont send e-mail about how stupid it is to jump a solenoid
>with a screw driver.  At least I'm not trying to get a tire on the rim using
>starter fluid.

Hey, that's old-Rover SOP.  Done it many a time.  You use the plastic end 
of a big old driver to wack the solenoid to try to free it up, and if 
that doesn't work, the blade works wonders across the terminals.

Tony

Anthony R. Sanna
SACO Foods, Inc.
6120 University Avenue
Middleton, Wisconsin  53562  USA

asanna@sacofoods.com

1-800-373-7226
(608) 238-9101

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:13:59 -0500
Subject: RE: ? regarding fan pulley, fan belt and alternator adj bracket

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:17:32 -0500
Subject: RE: ? regarding fan pulley, fan belt and alternator adj bracket

So I got the definitive answer from Charlie Haigh, the Wizard of Rover.
It appears that the early series II engines had a smaller crankshaft
pulley, so it also had a smaller fan pulley so the waterpump would spin
at the same speed.  Thus, large fan pulley for larger crankshaft pulley
(later) and small fan pulley for small crankshaft pulley (early)

Cwolfe

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:19:14 -0500
Subject: How about a cyber High five!

Sitting back sucking on a wheat beer and a good cigar.  The new turner
is in!  Still got a lot of work to do to pull it together but I am on
the downhill side!  Ye hah

Cwolfe

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:20:57 -0500
Subject: What size/ type fan belt is standard for a 2.25?

Need to buy a couple fan belts. What size type is needed for rover?

Cwolfe

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From: ALEXANDER CHEEK <BMWLandRover@usa.net>
Date: 10 Aug 98 22:03:40 MDT
Subject: New!!!

Visit AC's Land Rover Web for new photos, links and JUST ADDED a Land 
Rover discussion board! Please stop by and take part!  
http://hometown.aol.com/eyeonwx/landrover.html  
Before you go let me know what you think and sign my guestbook! Thanks!

Rover on,
Alex Cheek,
BMWLandRover@usa.n

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