1948-1998 Land Rover's 50th Anniversary
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From: JKwas61947@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:19:24 EDT
Subject: FS: SII 109 Pick Up $1200
All,
I know of a guy who has a 1960 SII 109 pick up for sale up in Canada for
US1200$. He's sent me pictures, and this is not a parts car. The bulkhead is
solid (surface rust), and the hole truck looks generally very good. I saw
worse ones that drove to GP. Engine turns but doesnt run, brake lights are
gone, and I guess theres rust on the bottom of the frame where it attaches to
the rear cross member.
I hope this is not considered a commercial post, but the fellow selling
the Rover saved it for me and I was going to go up and get it this weekend,
but now I'm stuck at work and wont be able to go get it for almost a month.
He did me a favor, and now is stuck with the 109.
If it's still for sale when I finally get a day off, I'm going to go get
it myself. It's located about 200 miles north of Greek Peak. E-mail me off
list and I'll put you in touch.
Sorry if this seems spammy, I'm just a Rover guy helping a Rover guy.
John Kwasnik (Rover guy)
Sherburne NY
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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 10:00:02 -0300
Subject: Re: East and West
The Stockdales wrote:
> Hello all;
> It seems that my old friends out East and new friends here
> in the West are having the same complaints about their
> respective rover rallies. I here all of the complaints on
> the list recently about the Greek Peak event, and they sound
> similar to my complaints about our rally. It appears that
> there are two central causes; 1.0 the rallies are getting
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> the best start.
> Mitch and the Red Dinosaur
Some times we must borrow from the J**p world as did the Bros. Wilkes.
To avoid just the sort of problems with trail etequette at the Jeep
Jamboreee that seem to have occurred at Greek Peak they have developed a
formula. 1. try to keep the numbers in a group on the trail as close to
15 as possible split in to as many smaller groups as needed to get this
2. Have a Trail Leader at the head of the group and a tail
gunner behind and keep these two in contact by radio.
3 Remember that for every 5 more vehicles to add an hour to
the time expected for a day long run and an other 1/2 hour to that if
the trail is muddy.
4 Remember the expression "as slow as possible and as fast as
necessary" will avoid a lot of trail damage.
Having been connected to Jeep Jamborees for a number years I can
attest that this works. For those parsimonious LR owners among us bear
in mind that the Jamborees cost an average of $200 a head for the week
end plus accomodation.
John and Muddy
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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 10:08:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Can I get rid of my voltage regulator?
Wolfe, Charles wrote:
> I am in the process of rewiring my rover. It is a 59 Series II 109 that
> has been changed to neg earth and has a Delco 60 Amp Alternator. When I
> did the alternator conversion, I followed RN instruction and did the
> recommended changes at the voltage regulator.
> I understand the the alternator output is regulated and hence do not
> need the function of the voltage regulator. So is the voltage regulator
> just functioning as a glorified junction box or does it perform other
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> together with the alternator?
> cwolfe
You can do away with it. It's function after a delco conversion is
simply that of junction box and retaining a "stock" appearance.
I switched to Delco many years ago and have never regretted it.
John and Muddy
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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 10:17:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for a Landrover!
Thayakaran Thava wrote:
> Hi All
> I am looking for a early 70's Landrover within Canada. price range less than
> $3000.00(Canadian). If you have one Please call me or mail me.
> Thanks
> Thayakaran Thava
> 613-7631015
Be prepared to do a Lot of work to a $3000 Land Rover. Any 4x4 in decent
working condition will cost $5000 in any part of Canada and this applies
to Land Rovers as well. Don't get upset if good ones are out side your
budget many LR owners really get to know their vehicles by doing their
own repairs.
John and Muddy
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]From: "A.G.Dolsa" <dolsa@emporion.net> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:37:36 +0200 Subject: Minerva I know an 86" Land Rover-Minerva (Made in Belgium) of a friend, that would be prepared to selling. The vehicle this in perfect operation state. All their pieces are original. The vehicle is in about Barcelona (Spain) Alfons G. Dolsa Entomologist ---------------------------------- Museum of Butterflies of Catalonia http://www.emporion.net/museu ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980809 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: nickf@co.wayne.in.us (Nick Fankhauser) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:24:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: IIa Roll Cage Marc- Thanks for the suggestion- I can't track down Safety Devices on the web. Do you have an address or phone number for them? -NickF '61 88 IIa '67 88 IIa Nick Fankhauser | http://www.co.wayne.in.us/wayneco nickf@co.wayne.in.us | http://www.infocom.com/~nickf ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980809 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ggg@mediaone.net (Gerald) Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 16:30:29 GMT Subject: Re: IIa Roll Cage Try http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/pdpr/lrover.htm On Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:24:37 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Thanks for the suggestion- I can't track down Safety Devices on the web. Do >you have an address or phone number for them? . . . . -- Gerald ggg@mediaone.net ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980809 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com> Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 13:17:29 -0400 Subject: Lost camping equipment at GP? If you lost some camping equipment at Greek Peak I may have it here in Rome New York. The folks that were at the next camp said they thought that the campers were from Utica New York and drove a series Rover. Let me know, I'll be happy to deliver to the local area. Mike Johnson '74 SIII 88 (Chester) '96 Disco SD (Her's) http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980809 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:19:54 -0500 Subject: ? regarding fan pulley, fan belt and alternator adj bracket Couple questions regarding 2.25 with alternator. I noticed I have two different sized fan pulleys. Which should I use? Why is there a difference? What size fan belt is recommended? Where is the best place to attach the straight adjuster bracket for the alternator? It looks like it would work on one the water pump bolts or one of the front cover bolts? We're having fun! By the way. Thanks to everyone who has been answering all my questions regarding my quest to get this truck back on the road with new Turner engine, new wiring and just buffed up to standard. Sure love this mailing list. Cwolfe 59 IIA 109 PU soon to bee buffed for my trips out on the prairie and the grouse woods from Minnesota to Maine 64 109 SW frame done and it is the next project 66 109 SW future dormobile conversion with coil spring and larger engine 67 109 Runs but need a future frameover ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980809 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:35:31 +0100 Subject: RE: ? regarding fan pulley, fan belt and alternator adj bracket > I noticed I have two different sized fan pulleys. Which should I use? > Why is there a difference? Other people might have a different answer, but a smaller belt makes the fan turn faster... I'd go with the faster fan... Depends on how much smaller it is... > Where is the best place to attach the straight adjuster bracket for the > alternator? It looks like it would work on one the water pump bolts or > one of the front cover bolts? Seen them in pictures all in the same place, but mine is on a different bolt than others... I have a Delco alternator though, so it works better on one bolt up from the others... Does this really matter? (I'm asking, that's not a comment) -Scott 1973 88" ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980809 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:54:46 +0100 Subject: Brake lights,l pressure switch, and a weird fuse I'll have to begin this by saying that my rover's electrical system sucks... It's close to what it should be, but different enough to make life difficult for me as I try to get the blinkers, brake lights, and everything else electrical working... So how does a 1973 SIII's brake lights work? My tail lights have no connection for a brake light... (they're not original) I need to get something that has something for brakelights and tail lights... how does this work? are there two bulbs, or is there one bulb with two filaments? Rovers; north says that the 1973 tail light assembly is NLA, but to use either 532809 ($59.09) which has three leads... make sense to me... tail, brake, and ground... or to use RTC5532 ($15.00) which only has two leads... this makes less sense to me... is the body ground and the two leads the tail and brake lights? My oil pressure light is not connected at all.. I'd like to connect this just to know that it's there... do I just run +12 to one side of the two prongs and the other to the OIL light the to ground? I'm asking cause I wouldn't know how to know that it's not working right... And I found this fuse holder... It is located under a plastic shoulder/corner on the far top left end of the dash... It was empty and there's a considerable amout of my dash that doesn't work, so I figured that I'd put one of those standard 17A fuses in there... never thought about it again, but since then my electrical system is acting funny (alternator doesn't work, and there's a slow drain on my battery) so I looked at it, and it was blown... a blown 17A fuse is not really a good thing... anyone know what this is and what I fucked up? thanks... -Scott 1973 SIII 88" ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980809 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Jarvis64@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 18:26:19 EDT Subject: Strapless Hi everybody, This is in response to whoever asked if there are any guys w/ no check straps on their rovers. I've none on mine and have only rolled it on its side once in the last two months. See-nothing to worry about! Really think the flop-over was due more to over-enthusiadtic (15psi) airing down of tires than to lack of check straps. The over aired-down state of the tires causes the uphill ones to retain their profile while the downhill ones squish and move to the inside edge of the rim, so the effect multiplies any side-slope you're on. Just my theory. Bill Rice and Mrs. Merdle 64 SIIA 109 (really probably a 1974 or so if you average the age of all the components) Columbus GA ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980809 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: JKwas61947@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 18:44:55 EDT
Subject: Re: Strapless
Aren't the straps there just to protect the shocks from over-extending? A
leaf-spring series probably doesn't use it's shocks much anyway, since the
friction between the leaves does the job.
I like the looks of them, but does anybody have the axle articulation to
really need them on a series? I sure don't!
John Kwasnik
72 SIII 88 (Big, Bad, and Blue)
68 SIIa88 "it's like a giant 3-D puzzle...." - Mrs. Kwasnik
Sherburne NY
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]From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 15:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: ? regarding fan pulley, fan belt and alternator adj bracket >> I noticed I have two different sized fan pulleys. Which should I use? >> Why is there a difference? >Other people might have a different answer, but a smaller belt makes the >fan turn faster... I'd go with the faster fan... Depends on how much smaller >it is... Size does matter. O.K., all you ladies out there can stop pointing fingers and laughing now.. A smaller pulley is the way to go. This gets the thing spinning fast enough to get the voltage reg. to kick in. A pulley that is too large, making the alt. spin slowly at idle will not allow the volt reg to kick on. A friend had this problem when he first did the AC delco converson. The problem was making him nuts for a bit until he figured out what was causing the alt. to act funny. Hope this helps. Russ Wilson Leslie Bittner "That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...." Dennis Miller ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980809 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 19:06:49 +0100 Subject: RE: ? regarding fan pulley, fan belt and alternator adj bracket > Size does matter. O.K., all you ladies out there can stop pointing > fingers and laughing now.. A smaller pulley is the way to go. This gets > the thing spinning fast enough to get the voltage reg. to kick in. A > pulley that is too large, making the alt. spin slowly at idle will not > allow the volt reg to kick on. A friend had this problem when he first did > the AC delco converson. The problem was making him nuts for a bit until he > figured out what was causing the alt. to act funny. Hope this helps. Yeah, but this is the FAN pulley not the crankshaft pulley... if it's the crank shaft pulley, you want a bigger one to make the alternator and the fan to go faster... changing the fan pulley size and the alternator pulley size have no bearing on anything but themselves because they are not the ones doing the cranking... think about a mountain bike.... If he's talking about the fan pulley, then he should use the smaller one to make the fan spin faster... and doesn't this run the water pump too? would resuld in a cooler engine... I won't continue the size comments any further... no one cought my masturbation joke, so I'll just shut up. ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980809 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org> Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 17:58:11 -0700 Subject: Re: Strapless I don't have the straps because I put the 1-ton shackles on my IIA, and didn't bother getting the longer straps. I don't think they're really necessary, but YMMV. Also, I *do* have the axle articulation to not want 'em. C JKwas61947@aol.com wrote: > Aren't the straps there just to protect the shocks from over-extending? A > leaf-spring series probably doesn't use it's shocks much anyway, since the > friction between the leaves does the job. > I like the looks of them, but does anybody have the axle articulation to > really need them on a series? I sure don't! > John Kwasnik > 72 SIII 88 (Big, Bad, and Blue) [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)] > Sherburne NY > >. ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980809 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 19:25:48 +1000 Subject: Reproduction Camel Trophy signs Luis Manuel Gutierrez wrote: >What would be the next step? Not outfitting cars with >ashtrays? It's not that I approve smoking, but this is ridiculous!!! Guess what! In GM's Australian Holden car, you have to pay extra for an ashtray and lighter. From the latest model Holden (now sold as Chevs in USA and the Middle East) ashtrays and lighters are no longer fitted as standard equipment. I can understand if they wanted to save costs but.... LR content - Holden 179 ci, 186 ci and 202 ci 6-cyl in-line engines are the favoured conversion in Australia for LR. I wonder how long before the supercharged Holden 3.8 litre V6 is installed . Yep, GM do a supercharged engine as a factory option. Ron ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980809 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net> Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 19:21:44 -0700 Subject: Non LR Re: Reproduction Camel Trophy signs The Becketts wrote: > Luis Manuel Gutierrez wrote: > >What would be the next step? Not outfitting cars with > >ashtrays? It's not that I approve smoking, but this is ridiculous!!! > Guess what! In GM's Australian Holden car, you have to pay extra for an > ashtray and lighter This is already happening in the US. A year or so ago I was renting cars and noticed some(GM??.. don't recall) that didn't have the cigarette lighter... bit of a downer when you're mobile phone runs low. Jeremy ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980809 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: JKwas61947@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:46:18 EDT
Subject: Re: Non LR Re: Reproduction Camel Trophy signs
In a message dated 98-08-08 22:19:16 EDT, you write:
<< A year or so ago I was renting cars and
noticed some(GM??.. don't recall) that didn't have the cigarette lighter...
<< A year or so ago I was renting cars and
Just goes to show how progressive those brits are. My 68 SIIa and 72 SIII
are without cigarette lighters. Maybe the original owner special ordered them
that way.
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]From: Joseph Broach <mbroach@utk.edu> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: -FREE- Series Parts These parts are frameup leftovers located in Knoxville, TN. I'm leaving at the end of the month and they have to go. If you can pick them up, they're yours! 1 - original frame from a '67 IIa 88, solid southern frame hasn't seen much salt, rear x-member was replaced 3 yrs ago, one new front horn, the other will need replacing 5 - original 15x6" steel rims, surface rust from sitting 1 - RH door top, good threads, only surface rust 1 - original bumper, has been straightened 2 - complete early wings, no headlight panels, 1 RH, 1 LH, both good except for front of outer panels -joseph knoxville, TN mbroach@utk.edu ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980809 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 01:12:51 EDT Subject: Thoughts on GP Comments Organizing a rally is a little bit like sighting in a rifle. You have to put few rounds down range before you start adjusting the sights. Sounds like the GP organizers ended up with a nice tight group in the nine ring. It is just not possible to feed the masses and have everybody happy. There must have been somebody who did not like loaves and fishes. Mercifully, history has not recorded their complaints. No good deed ever goes unpunished. Some people would complain if they were hung with a brand new rope. Paul Donohue 1965 Land Rover 109 Denver ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980809 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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