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From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:40:45 +0100
Subject: Carb Quandry

Hi all....

I recently fitted an unleaded head to my 2.25 SIII, purchased from Turner
Engineering.

When I ordered the head, they recommended against using my existing Weber
34ICH carb in favour of the Zenith (which I did).

I have now developed the 'Zenith Warping Syndrome', much to my dismay, and
am faced with a dilemma:

Do I:

a) Re-face the carb top and bottom and plug the unused hole, bearing in
mind that this is a new carb (bought in April) and that I would undoubtedly
invalidate any warranty on it.

b) Send the carb back and get another one which will probably develop
exactly the same fault at some point.

c) Stick with my old Weber (I had to put it back on to get thro' the MOT
emissions test). I'm not sure what Turner's prejudice is against this carb
- any ideas??

d) Try a completely different carb - any recommendations?? I've seen an LR
with a twin-throat weber and also Automotive components advertise an SU
carb kit anyone got any experience with alternatives to the bog-standard
Zenith/Webers

Thanks in advance

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
*******************************
Big Bad n' Blue

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From: "Jeffrey Jackson" <jcjcj88@email.msn.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:51:00 -0400
Subject: New Springs

Ben wrote:  I got the old springs off.  But now the back end of my '65 88"
HT is sitting about 2" higher than normal.  "  ... So I've got two ideas.
One possibility is to remove a few leaves from the rear packs.

Put down the circular saw and back away from the vehicle, Ben!  While it may
look odd now, it will settle over the next few months.  Mine looked like a
praying mantis after new springs.  I was afraid to drive the damned thing,
which was unfortunate because I really wanted to hide it from the wife, who
couldn't stop laughing at it (me).

Cut off a leaf and in two months you'll be driving the first low-rider
landy.  Then you'll have to spend all that money on hydraulic jump kits,
velour trim, a move to LA.  Could cost a bundle.

Like so many rover problems, this will benefit from benign neglect.
Spontaneous automotive healing and all that.

Jeff Jackson

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:55:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Carb Quandry

Don't bugger about with it if it's still under warranty - ship it RIGHT
back to them and demand satisfaction. Wait till it's not under warranty to
start messing with it....

Secondarily - if you can get an SU adaptation think strongly about it -
they are wonderful carburettors. I have two of them on my wife's
Austin-Healet and I like the design. If I could find an adapter Mr. C would
get one (wonder what it would take.....hmmmmmmmm......)

                    ajr

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From: "Huub Pennings" <hps@fs1-kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:30:16 +0100
Subject: Re: More on Leaf Springs

Well, a month ago I rebuild the springs for my current restoration 
project. The front springs I recurved on my anvil and after a good 
clean-up I added 3 leaves to bring them up to diesel with winch 
standard. I admit that it'is a poor mans solution. But it works, so 
I saved 125 Us$ AND learned from the experience.
The lean is a build in feature, remove one leaf and it will lean to 
the other side!!

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: "David R. Bobeck"<dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:42:49 -0500
Subject: Re: FW: GP comments 

<Sandy Grice wrote: Gripe about the food, be my guest, you do it next 
time.>

>Excuse me, when you start a venture like Greek Peak and charge an inordinate 
>amount of money for food??,

I didn't eat the food at GP, since I didn't pre-register. I brought my own food 
(and beer, total cost $101). I didn't get the social aspect of the meal plan 
but my food was good and it was served when and how I wanted it. If you aren't 
willing to be subjected to the tastes of others I suggest you make room on the 
bonnet for a small stove, and with some serious rover cuisine.
Stop bitching and eat your grub...this is Land Rovering, not some Country Inn.
Besides, the food was rpovided by GP's caterer, anyone should've known that 
some rinky-dink ski area in NYS is gonig to sereve crap. Shovel it in and back 
to the slopes sort of deal, you know...

later
daveb

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From: "David R. Bobeck"<dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:25:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Parabolic problems 

>> the tires hadn't been aired down.

what *was* the tire pressure. Not 80 psi again I hope...

> When I got 3/4 of the way up, I ran out of grip due to the back end 
>being so tight.

I'm not gonna touch that one...

>I recommend that longer-travel shocks be an integral part of a transition 
>to parabolic springs. And forget the military shackles...pure overkill.

I think the different shocks are considered a "must".

later
daveb

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From: "David R. Bobeck"<dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:50:30 -0500
Subject: Re[2]: GP Comments, Complaints, Camping, Swimming 

>I'm going to unsubscribe for a while until the lro list again resembles 
>something discussing Land-Rovers !

>Can anyone explain why this thread would be remotely interesting to anyone 
>outside the U.S.A. ?

One for the Anti-FAQ there...now for an answer...hmm....

Really the fact is that this was a huge first for NA LR's, we have never had an 
event of this style or magnitude, and everybody is reacting to it rather 
emotionally. We all WANT it to happen again but there *were* some problems. 
Most not the organizers fault. They are all being asked to make lists of what 
they saw that went wrong, and try to come up with counter measures for next 
year. An event like this in the US will always draw some idiots though. 
Basically whatis going on is the formation of something akin to the ARC, a club 
based orginaztion and sanctioning body for Rover motorsport, that has never 
existed in the US or Canada. So for someone who follows the club scene it might 
be interesting.

So the short answer is "because they're anoraks"

later
daveb

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From: "David R. Bobeck"<dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:37:43 -0500
Subject: Re: FW: GP Comments 

<Sandy Grice wrote: Add the fact that Series owners are a parsimonious 
bunch that squeeze a nickel...

and

< I can tell you that "orgainzing" Rover owners is very much like herding cats, 

to which Peter replied

>It is obvious from the postings put on the list from the various 
>ANARC organisers that they have a very low regard for the Land Rover 
>community

Wait..I pride myself in my parsimoniousness... and my ability to 
squezze a nickel. Squeezing nickels isn't exactly easy! Ever try it?
And as for herding cats, well, Sandy's been running events for quite a 
few years, and I've never pre-registered for a single one of them. I 
can't imagine I'm the only "lazy bugger" out there.

Sandy's a good guy and he speaks the truth. I can't blame any of the 
organizers for being slightly overwrought this weekend, It was 
definitely trial by fire...

> let ANARC die a death, and leave it to the local clubs to provide 
>for the local Land Rover communities.

I heard R.O.V.E.R.S. bailed out on helping with the GP. There's lots that needs 
to be sorted out but it can and should happen again.

regards
dave "what's parsimonious again?" b

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From: Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:31:49 -0400
Subject: Parabolic springs

Hello;
I have had parabolic springs on my 5 door 109" SIIA since April, and
have mentioned it once or twice on the list. I am happy with the ride
provided by them and I know that over time they will not rust together.

The on-road ride is much better than provided with the old leaf springs.
No jolts and much softer. Since I drive 70 miles a day the on-road
performance matters more to me. I also have two other Rovers which I
commute in so the miles don't all get added to one vehicle.

I haven't had the opportunity to push the limits off road so I can't
report on the axle articulation aspect, but I have done some light
off-roading in CT and had the chance to ride in another 5 door 109 on
the same trail which had new stock leafs. On a rocky ascending trail, my
109 was just a bit more bouncy the the other 109. On one particular drop
I hit the bump stops which I am sure the other guy didn't experience. 

I was on a tour of Barbados in a in a 110 Hicap pickup and I think the
ride of the parabolics was similar to the 110.

The only thing I would change is that I would get the heavy duty rear
springs. When I get a set for my 88" I will get  heavy duty rear springs
and swap it with the 109.

When I bought the springs, the package came with long travel shocks and
poly bushings.

The problem of the check straps limiting the travel of the rear axle
will still exist, you could get/make longer check straps or remove them.
I left them on.

Some people say the straps check extream axle movement, others say it
keeps the truck from leaning too far when driving on a slope, could be
both. Any one not have their straps on?

Keith R. Mohlenhoff
63 IIA 5 door 109 2.25D
71 IIA 3 door 88 2.25P
88 RR

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From: JKwas61947@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:01:20 EDT
Subject: Re: GP comments,Food,No LR Content

In a message dated 98-08-06 10:05:15 EDT, you write:

<< It may even be possible to find a local pub to cater one or more meals.  I
 will, also, invite any others who wish to volunteer their assistance. >>
 
I'll volunteer to be the official taster.  That way, if the food sucks, you
can all piss on me.

As an idea for British Fare, how about Mad Cow Beef and Guiness? (I'd include
Bangers, as well, but I don't know what in the hell they are)  If you want to
eat American food, bring your own Bud, twinkies, and Mayonaisse sadwiches.

John Kwasnik
Official food taster to the ANARC

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From: Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:17:15 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: re: GP Comments, Complaints, Camping, Swimming

:: Can anyone explain why this thread would be remotely interesting to anyone
:: outside the U.S.A. ?

Alan flamed back:
: It doesn't - neither does anything to do with Billing have an interest here
: in the States. 

Point taken, but you'd have just cause to tell us to bugger off back onto our 
own (uk-lro) list to discuss those topics.
I assume that most people who have an interest in uk related matters would be 
subscribed there too.

I do actually apologise, I think I overreacted to this GP stuff. But, as I 
lamented to another list member who mailed me offline, the Statesiders see the 
lro list as a us-lro list (which I agree is undoubtedly its origins).

I usually see (although this logic may be flawed) the lro list as a "rest of 
world" list for those without a specific geographical area catering for them. 
Hence here we get a bit of all nationalities which is refreshing as we get a 
very overall (no pun intended) view of LR ownership worldwide.

: As we're a very variegated group off-topic or limited interest things pop up
: and then go away.

I should know this by now, i've been around this list for 2½ years !

: Relax - it will pass. Go have a beer

Not Peroni please !

: You really do need to lay off the caffiene for a bit.....<grin>

You are absolutely right, time to lay off those espressos definitely <ebg>

Sorry for flaming you good people, but two days (now 3) of the GP being rammed 
down my throat certainly provoked a response from Italy ;-)

Best Regards,

Paul.

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 08:17:42 -0700
Subject: [Fwd: Carb Quandry]

Turners problem with the 1 bbl Webber is that they say it doesn't flow
well enough at the higher rpms a turner can run at. The Zenith or 2 bbl
webber will both flow better. Your choice all depends on if you want
that last little bit of power at the end of the rpm range.

Jim Hall
Chilly Willy 1966 88"

Duncan Phillips wrote:
> Hi all....
> I recently fitted an unleaded head to my 2.25 SIII, purchased from Turner
> Engineering.
> When I ordered the head, they recommended against using my existing Weber
> 34ICH carb in favour of the Zenith (which I did).

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 38 lines)]
> *******************************
> Big Bad n' Blue

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:19:24 -0400
Subject: re: GP Comments, Complaints, Camping, Swimming

Flamed?

Flamed - hardly, me bucko.....

I didn't intend for that to come across as such - I just wanted to point
out that sometimes off-topic items do come up and used that one as a
specific reference of identical content.

Relax, lad - this is not a life-and-death situation, though I agree it was
getting a bit old...and I was there!

                    aj" gotta lay off the caffiene meself..."r

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From: "David R. Bobeck"<dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 10:27:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Parabolic springs 

>> Any one not have their straps on?

Lots of folks...they rot after about 30 years or so...

later
daveb

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From: "Huub Pennings" <hps@fs1-kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:34:35 +0100
Subject: Re: AW: Diesel Tank Repair

My diesel tank repair is finished.(I hope)

I pealed off the outer skin and welded the pin hole shut, after I 
had flushed out the tank and re filled it with Argon. The welding was 
done with my Tig machine. Then I filled it again with diesel 
and let it stand for a week. No leakes, so repainting and attaching 
it to the skin was in order. I remodified the skin so it can now 
be bolted to the  tank. This way I will be able to take it apart if 
necessary for future maintenance. 

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: nlamon1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:28:43 -0500
Subject: Gsiters

How ya'll are?

Me, I been noticin' dat dey's a whole bunch a folk here what's lookin' fo'
gaiters, huh?

Me, I got me a frien' name T-Paul what got him a place on bayou
Maronguin an' a whole slew of 'em in a great big ol' pen he got out back.
He got all kin' a gaiters, yeah.  Now, I doan know ef he got him one
what'll fit one dem kin' Lan'-Rover what got de coil spring,
but you can bet yo'se'f ef T-Paul he can't get one on you truck, ain'
nobody can, dat's for true.

A while ago, I decide to put me a couple big-ass bulls on de truck I got,
what dey call a II-A.  I got 'em tied on one dem thingmajig what look like
a big-ass fishin' reel what I got welded real good up fron' 'tween de
fender.  Work real good!

Now, ÿwhen I go wit' mysef like to see what dem lady women is doin',
I jus' let me out a little dat line on de reel an' dat's dat!  Since I
done put me a pair a gaiters on my truck, ain' nobody mess wit' it, no.
Haill, I doan even bother wit' puttin' on de lock on de door!  

If any ya'll wants it, I can ask Trey if he got any gaiters what'll fit on
de truck you got?  

Aurevoir,

Pierre LePeux

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From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:30:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: AW: Diesel Tank Repair

On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Huub Pennings wrote:
>.Subject: Re: AW: Diesel Tank Repair
> and let it stand for a week. No leakes, so repainting and attaching 
>.it to the skin was in order. I remodified the skin so it can now
> be bolted to the  tank. This way I will be able to take it apart if 
>.necessary for future maintenance.

can you elaborate on how you modified the skin so that it
can be bolted to the gas tank.  i have a tank that i had
galvanized and the solder separated in the process.  i now
have a nicely galvanized tank and a nicely galvanized lower
mounting skin.  soldering would ruin the galvanizing.  i
am thinking about epoxy.  a bolting description would be
interesting...

Sincerely,

Ray Harder 

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From: "Huub Pennings" <hps@fs1-kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:43:20 +0100
Subject: Re: AW: Diesel Tank Repair

I modified  the skin by  welding  extensions on the side of the plate 
through which I can pass long bolts. On the top of the tank I placed a 
clamp plate which is pulled down by these long bolts. In this way the 
tank is pulled down on the plate. I did put some thin rubber (inner 
tube) between the tank and the skin to avoid wear and/or rattle.

If you don't want to ruin your finish you might use a underplate 
which would pull the skin against the tank. Just make sure that 
there are no protrusions at the bottom which might get caught by a 
rock in the field.
All disclaimers apply!!!!!!!

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:29:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Axel/hub seals - Options??

Hi all - I may need to replace some oil seals in my hub/axels, front and
rear, rover type.
Is there an aftermarket option that I can get w/o buying through a LR parts
supplier. Can I get them at NAPA, or order them from Federal Mogul?
Thanks in advance - Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: Lenny Warren <lwarren@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 22:32:39 +0100
Subject: Change of WWW URL

Hi there,

Please note that my web page has moved. Please amend to the page as noted
below, thanks!!

Catch you later,
Lenny...

                  Lenny Warren, Strathaven, Scotland.             
                  e-mail: lwarren@zetnet.co.uk  
                  www: http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/lwarren/

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 13:41:13 -0400
Subject: Dixon Kenner

Dixon please e mail me..
Rgds
Steve

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:00:57 -0600
Subject: gaitors (or should that be"Gators"

Pierre-

How do your gators like a nice dry area at a high altitude? Would large
amounts of Jambalaya, steamed crayfish , Gumbo and Blackened Cat fish
keep them fed-cover with Tabasco sauce of course!

Seriosly , Pierre (whoever you are!!) I was laughing so hard I had to
take a break from the 'puter!

Got a spot on the roof rack for some Gators!

Art

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From: "Ray Burton" <Ray_Burton@usairways.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:08:23 -0400
Subject: "Wurth" lubricants

Hi all

While at GP last weekend one of the representatives from East Coast Rover
told me about using synthetic moly-grease made by a company called Wurth
instead of using petroleum grease.  Does anyone know where I can obtain
Wurth products?

Thanks in advance.

Ray Burton
'64 109 SW     '70 88         '84 RR

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From: Art Bitterman <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:08:38 -0600
Subject: Suspension and Carbs

Kirk-
Can't help you on the springs except to pass on that I"ve heard thet
they give a much better ride.

On the Carb-if the solex or zenith is working -keep it! If it's shot go
for the Weber. I Swapped over because my Solex fell to pieces. I used to
get 13 MPG with the Solex, now get 17 MPG with the weber with a K&N air
filter. I believe the VW versions of the Weber 34 ICH are jetted
different, so go with one from one of the LR parts places-you have to
change the linkage so you will need a adapter kit anyway!

Welcome to our world of Land Rovers!

Art

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From: nickf@co.wayne.in.us (Nick Fankhauser)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:12:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: IIa Roll Cage

Rob-

I'm interested in putting together a roll cage, or at least roll bar on my
IIa as well. I haven't learned much yet, but here are a couple of leads that
I haven't followed up on yet- 

Jeff Berg has a roll bar on his IIa. I think someone fabricated it for him.
Maybe he would measure the pieces or give us some details.

ARC (in England) apparently has specs for roll bars for rovers entered in
their events. There may be some info available through them, or clubs that
do trials sanctioned by them.

I think step one is necessarily going to be making your frame perfect
(That's where I started- a big step for most rovers)

Keep us posted as you learn more, and I'll pass along whatever I get as well...

-NickF

'61 88 IIa
'67 88 IIa

Nick Fankhauser      | http://www.co.wayne.in.us/wayneco
nickf@co.wayne.in.us | http://www.infocom.com/~nickf

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From: "David R. Bobeck"<dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:19:15 -0500
Subject: Re: "Wurth" lubricants 

try 1 800 526 5228
they make some really good undercoating stuff too.

later
daveb

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From: Leger Marc-Andre <ma.leger@wefa.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:55:21 -0400 
Subject: RE: IIa Roll Cage

Safety devices' catalogue is full of models of rool cages, that could
give you some ideas... 

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From: "Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:49:21 -0400 
Subject: RE: "Wurth" lubricants

I use ITASCA synthetic marine grease in my swivels...at least until I
replace the pitted balls and seals.
Wal-Mart.

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From: "richard a. nicotra" <nicotra@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:49:48 -0400
Subject: GP: Comments (absolutely the last)

>My problem has been the patronizing attitude of the ANARC organizers, 
>especially Sandy. 

Peter: I read Sandy's posts and wasn't offended the least bit.  Maybe he
should have said "too thrifty" instead of "tightwad" - for the faint of
heart.  Try wearing a thicker skin.

Rick 
1973 ser III 88

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:49:58 -0500
Subject: Can I get rid of my voltage regulator?

I am in the process of rewiring my rover.  It is a 59 Series II 109 that
has been changed to neg earth and has a Delco 60 Amp Alternator.  When I
did the alternator conversion, I followed RN instruction and did the
recommended changes at the voltage regulator.  

I understand the the alternator output is regulated and hence do not
need the function of the voltage regulator.  So is the voltage regulator
just functioning as a glorified junction box or does it perform other
duties?

If it is just a junction box, are there ways to avoid using it all
together with the alternator?

cwolfe

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From: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:44:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Carb Quandry

>Hi all....
>I recently fitted an unleaded head to my 2.25 SIII, purchased from Turner
>Engineering.
>When I ordered the head, they recommended against using my existing Weber
>34ICH carb in favour of the Zenith (which I did).
>I have now developed the 'Zenith Warping Syndrome', much to my dismay, and

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
>am faced with a dilemma:
>Do I:

Do not pass "Go", Do not Collect $200...   Pick up the phone, get yourself
a 2bbl weber from your vendor of choice.  The 2bbl weber will push all the
air that your Turner could ever ask for.  The only problem is with the
linkage that comes with the carb.  It only allows for about 75% use of the
carbs range.  This can be fixed by calling Frank Jakos here in Colorado.
He has made a slick little adapter that gives you the full use of the
weber.   You can call Frank at 719-473-6288

I'm not too sure where you are posting from or what time zone you are in
but I do know that Frank is in the Mtn time zone... 2 hrs behind EST here
in the U.S.

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
				Dennis Miller

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From: Kathleen Hollington <kholling@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:13:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Gumption talk (from Pirsig)

I was going through some old messages I had captured from the list last
year, dealing with periods of discouragement during a Land Rover Series 
restoration project (which I experience from time to time too), and
thought of some notes I had prepared on the subject from Robert Pirsig's
exceptional book Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance.  He talks
about gumption being the key element to successfully tackling such
endeavours, its link to enthusiasm and Quality, etc.  All very relevant
stuff, as you will see below.  Took a while to find my notes, but here
they are, in case you find them of use in your endeavours.  Regards.
(Keep up that gumption level!)
	--Robert

------------
Gumption (from Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance, by Robert Pirsig)
 
Describes what happens to someone who gets connected with Quality (old
scottish word).  Greeks called it "enthousiasmos".
 
If you're going to repair a motorcycle (Land Rover) an adequate supply
of gumption is the first and most important tool.  It's the psychic
gasoline that keeps the whole process going.
 
NOTE: You have to live right too - it's the way that predisposes you to
avoid the traps and see the right facts.  The fixing of a motorcycle
isn't separate from the rest of your existence.
 
The real cycle you are working on is a cycle called yourself.  The
machine that appears to be "out there" and the person that appears to be
"in here" are not two separate things.  They grow toward Quality or fall
away from Quality together.
 
Gumption traps.
 
"Anything that causes one to lose sight of Quality, and thus lose
enthusiasm for what one is doing"
 
Two main types
 
1. Setbacks (external circumstances)
 
  1.1 out of sequence reassembly (having to take things apart again
because of having forgotten a step)
    1.1.1 keep a notebook during disassembly and note anything unusual
which may give problems during reassembly later on
    1.1.2 lay parts on floor left->right top->bottom as per the assembly
sequence
 
  1.2 intermittent failure (fool you into thinking you've really got the
machine fixed) ex. electrical shorts
    1.2.1 try to correlate them with other things the machine is doing
    1.2.2 wait a few hundred miles before concluding the problem is
fixed (carry tools until then)
 
  1.3 parts setback (availability, pricing, does not fit
    1.3.1 choose supplier with most cooperative parts man
    1.3.2 keep an eye out for price cutters and give them a try
    1.3.3 always take old part with you to match with new part
    1.3.4 machine your own part (lathe, welder)
 
2. Hangups (conditions within yourself)
 
  2.1 Value traps
 
    2.1.1 Value rigidity (inability to revalue what one sees because of
commitment to previous values - the facts to explain the problem are
there, but you can't see them)
      2.1.1.1 slow down deliberately and go over ground that you've been
over before to see if the things you thought were important were in fact
so
      2.1.1.2 just STARE at the machine, wait for new facts to surface
and guide you to a solution (fishing for facts)
 
    2.1.2 Ego, which can isolate you from the reality of Quality (if
facts show you've goofed, you're likely not to see them)
      2.1.2.1 modesty is a way out of the trap
 
    2.1.3 Anxiety, which results from over-motivation and lead you to
over-fussiness, or being afraid to do anything at all (for fear of
screwing up)
      2.1.3.1 work out your anxieties on paper
      2.1.3.2 read every book and magazine on the subject
      2.1.3.3 you're after peace of mind and not just a fixed machine
      2.1.3.4 list everything you're going to do on little pieces of
paper (or computer Gantt chart) and organize into a proper sequence -
reorganize as required
      2.1.3.5 realize there isn't a mechanic alive who doesn't foul up a
job now and then
 
    2.1.4 Boredom, is the opposite of anxiety and commonly goes with ego
problems - you're off the Quality track, not seeing things freshly, have
lost your "beginner's mind"
      2.1.4.1 STOP! go to a show, turn on the TV, call it a day
      2.1.4.2 sleep
      2.1.4.3 turn certain boring jobs such as greasing, oil changing,
tuning up, into a ritual, a certain Zen state
 
    2.1.5 Impatience, results from underestimation of how long the job
would take;  first reaction to a setback and can turn to anger if not
careful
      2.1.5.1 allow an indefinite time for the job
      2.1.5.2 double the alloted time when forced time planning is
required
      2.1.5.3 scale down overall goals and scale up immediate goals
      2.1.5.4 requires value flexibility, and some loss of gumption (but
nothing like the Big Mistake would cause, due to impatience)
      2.1.5.5 scale down by cleaning up nuts, bolts, and studs, and
tapped holes; clean tools that have been used and put them away
 
  2.2 Truth traps
 
    2.2.1 Yes-No logic, which prevents us from seeing that there is a
third possible logical term equal to yes and no, and capable of
expanding our understanding in an unrecognized direction (Mu=no-thing in
Japanese)
      2.2.1.1 check your tests and and restudy the diagnostic question:
don't throw away those Mu answers; they're every bit as vital as the yes
and no answers, even more vital, because they're the ones you grow on.
 
  2.3 Psycho-motor traps
 
    2.3.1 Inadequate tools
      2.3.1.1 buy good tools if you can afford it (check out used tools
if can't afford new)
 
    2.3.2 Bad surroundings (inadequate lighting; too hot/cold; out of
position work)
      2.3.2.1 get a stool
 
    2.3.2 Muscular insensitivity (need to have "mechanic's feel" to
properly handle the delicate precision parts in the machine, elasticity
of materials)
      2.3.2.1 understand and respect the difference between finger tight
vs snug vs tight for nuts and bolts
      2.3.2.2 handle precision parts gently

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From: Kathleen Hollington <kholling@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 18:25:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Wiring Harness Replacement Blues

Hi,
I bought my LR last year in semi-restored state, disassembled.  There was not
much of a wiring harness left in it, and whatever there was seemed
to be a bad rewiring job.  Anyway, I got a new harness from
British Wiring, and am now trying to figure out how in heck
to install it.  I'm not big on knowledge about electricity and auto
wiring, but it shouldn't be that complicated (so I tell myself).  Yet
I'm having a hard time tracing the wires on the loom (using a Lucas
color coding list from the Internet and the LR schematics).  There
appear to be many extra wires in the loom, colors that don't show up
on the schematics, etc.  I'm pretty sure I got what I ordered
(a positive ground IIA harness, with the alternator conversion option).

Do you have any tips based on your experience, on the best way to 
tackle such a job?  How to insert the loom into the dash holes etc,
what part of the harness to tackle first, where to route cables,
how to match up with schematics etc, how much to worry about extra
wires, etc.  I suppose I was expecting some kind of instruction sheet
from British Wiring, but received none.

I did obtain some reference files here and there on the web, including
a document by someone who went through a similar process, but I would
need a few tips to get me going.  I presently have the frame,
firewall and engine/gearbox together (no body panels).  I assume
that except for the dash and engine wiring, the rest (lights etc) will
have to wait until I have the body panels back on.  Maybe I should
wait until then to do it all, rather than starting now.  What do you
think?

Regards, and thanks for putting up with the newbie questions...

	--Robert
-- 
Robert St-Louis -- OTTAWA/CANADA -- '68 IIA SWB LR -- 
  kholling@nrn1.nrcan.gc.ca.NOSPAM (remove NOSPAM when replying)

-- 
Robert St-Louis -- OTTAWA/CANADA -- '68 IIA SWB LR -- 
  kholling@nrn1.nrcan.gc.ca.NOSPAM (remove NOSPAM when replying)

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:40:55 -0700 
Subject: RE: Wiring Harness Replacement Blues

Hi Robert,

I went through what you are looking at last spring.  My harness came
from Britain (via Wise Owl in Vancouver) so I don't think that they have
the same manufacturer.  After staring at the harness for a few hours on
my living room floor, I took it down to the Rover and started at the
beginning (battery).  First I put new cables on the starter circuit.
Then I attached the brown harness wire to the starter switch, and
continued until I had the ignition circuit & charging circuit finished
with the harness loosely attached to the bulkhead, dealing with one wire
at a time.  This was enough to start the beast up.  At this point I sat
back and just looked at the harness seeing how best to feed it through
the bulkhead.  Once you start - assuming that the colour codes are right
- everything just falls into place.

I used the remains of the old harness to pull the new one through the
frame to the rear of the Rover.  At the same time I also ran a heavy
black wire back there to use as a ground wire.  I attached the other end
of this wire to the braided ground strap on the battery box.  

The basic order that I used was:

1. Ignition circuit
2. Charging circuit
3. Lights & signals
4. Horn
5. Gauges  (still working on these)

Hope this helps...

Paul Quin 
Victoria.

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From: "Thayakaran Thava" <Thayakaran.Thava.thava@nt.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:04:27 -0400
Subject: Looking for a Landrover!

Hi All
I am looking for a early 70's Landrover within Canada. price range less than
$3000.00(Canadian). If you have one Please call me or mail me.
Thanks
Thayakaran  Thava
       613-7631015

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:41:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Wiring Harness Replacement Blues

So Bob Needs new wires...
     Have a look at Chris Dow's page it has lots of stuff on wiring it
may be of some help to you!
Rgds
Steve Bradke   68 series lla
               96 Discovery

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:44:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Wiring Harness Replacement Blues

heres the URL
Http://www.thelen.org/LandRover.html

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:14:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Can I get rid of my voltage regulator?

Charlie, If you're not using the leads that originally connected to the
dynamo, you can simply connect the wires from the A and A1 leads on the
regulator and let the rest hang.

If you are using the original wires, you'll also need to hunt down where
they get connected and reroute them, but that should be no big deal.

If you want to discuss it in detail, email me and we can take it off-line.

                         ajr

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From: Bill Caloccia <caloccia@senie.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:39:12 -0400
Subject: Results of The Atlantic British RTV Challenge at Greek Peak

Hi All,

	Thanks to those of you who participated in or volunteered during
The Atlantic British RTV Challenge at Greek Peak last Saturday.

	The results are available on the ANARC web site,

		http://www.rover-clubs.org/rtv-results.html

and are also below in text format.

	I hope you enjoyed the day.

    Cheers,
          Bill Caloccia			wpc@Caloccia.Net
	 http://www.Caloccia.Net/wpc/
				  R
       http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/
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      2  4  4wd  L N           |  2	    because
   '63 SII  RHD 88"            H  1	Land Rovers Last
      793-PTA            '90 RR County

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			     The Results of
                    The Atlantic British RTV Challenge
               at the Association of North American Rover Clubs
                   Land Rover 50th Anniversary Celebration

                 Greek Peak Ski Resort, Cortland, New York
                               August 1, 1998
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               Trophies for the Atlantic British RTV Challenge

         Entrant                   Trophy           Land Rover
         Martin Rothman       First in Class 1   '52 80" Series I

         Christian Szpilfogel First in Class 2  '72 88" Series III
                                First Overall
         Chris Komar          Second in Class 2 Modified 88" Series
         Michael Boggs        First in Class 4    '97 Defender 90
         Bill Cameron         First in Class 5b   '88 Range Rover
         Bernie Cameron         Second in 5b      '88 Range Rover
         Bruce Blossom        Third in Class 5b   '92 Range Rover
         Ray Braun                  DLBF          '89 Range Rover
           - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

                      The Atlantic British Team RTV Cup

             The Atlantic British Team RTV Cup is awarded to
             the Team of 3 people who have the lowest
             aggregate score in the RTV event.

                             1998 Winning Team

                         Blue Ridge Land Rover Club

                          Blue Ridge team members

                              Michael T. Boggs
                                Stuart Moore
                                Vince Sweeny

             A plaque with the name of the winning team and
             members will be added to the The Atlantic British
             Team RTV Cup perpetual trophy. Additionally team
             members received trophy plaques recognizing their
             acheivement.
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                Results of the Atlantic British RTV Challenge

    Driver     State Land Wheel- RTV   RTV                           Total 
Place Place
Surname,Prenom  or  Rover  base Class Entry  1  2 3 4  5 6  7 8  9 10Score  in  
Overall
               Prov.Model              No.                                 Class
Szpilfogel,
Christian      ON,CA iii    88    2   D 54   0  0 0 0  0 0  0 1  0 0   1    1st 
  1st
Cameron, Bill  NH,US Range Rover  5b  C 36   0  0 0 0  0 0  5 0  0 0   5    1st 
   2
Komar, Chris   VT,US  ii    88   2<-7 D 69   0  0 0 0  0 0  0 1  4 0   5    2nd 
   3
Rothman,
Martin         ON,CA  i     80    1   D 59   0  0 0 0  0 0  5 1  0 0   6    1st 
   4
Cameron,
Bernie         NH,US Range Rover  5b  C 39   0  0 0 0  0 0  0 0  7 0   7    2nd 
   5
Finlayson,
Andrew         ON,CA  i     80    1    A 1   0  0 0 0  0 3  4 0  0 0   7     2  
   6
Smith, Ben     CA,US iii    88    2    A 3   0  0 0 0  0 0  0 0  8 0   8     3  
   7
Lowe, Gareth   CA     ii    88    2   B 25   0  0 0 6  0 0  0 1  1 0   8     4  
   8
Moore, Stuart  VA,US iia    88    2    A 2   1  2 0 0  0 0  1 0  7 0   11    5  
   9
Boggs, Micheal VA,US Defender 90  4   D 49   0  0 0 0  0 0  4 1  7 0   12   1st 
   10
McLune, Matt         iia    88    2   D 55   0  0 0 0  8 0  4 1  0 0   13    6  
   11
Blossom, Bruce NY,US Range Rover  5b  A 10   0  0 4 0  0 0  0 2  7 0   13   3rd 
   12
Sweeney,
Vincent        VA,US iii    88    2   B 18   0  0 0 0  0 0  5 0  3 5   13    7  
   13
Messenger, Ed  US    Range Rover  5b  D 60   0  0 0 0  0 0  5 1  8 0   14    4  
   14
Thomson, Petri       iia    88    2   C 75   0  0 0 0  0 0  6 2  6 0   14    9  
   15
Leach Jr., Jim CT,US iia    88    2   C 33   0  0 0 1  0 0  5 1  7 0   14    8  
   16
Riston, Thomas NY,US Range Rover  5b   A 7   0  1 0 0  0 0  5 0  9 0   15    5  
   17
Ducharme, Jake US    Range Rover  5b  B 70   0  0 0 0  0 0  0 0  8 8   16    6  
   18
Lotito, Daniel NY,US Defender 90  4   D 57   0  0 0 1  0 0  4 1  7 3   16    2  
   19
McEnaney,
Scott                iii    88   2<-7 D 58   0  0 0 1  0 0  4 1  7 4   17   10  
   20
Urner, Jim     US    iii    88   2<-7 A 77   0  0 0 0  0 7  6 0  7 0   20   11  
   21
Velardi, Chris CT,US Defender 90  4   C 35   0  0 0 5  0 0  0 1  9 6   21    3  
   22
White, Denis   US    iia    90   4<-7 B 74   5  0 0 1  0 0  0 2  9 5   22    4  
   23
Aspin, Quintin VA,US  i     80    1   B 16   0  5 0 5  0 0  6 0  8 0   24    3  
   24
Haakonsen,
Axel           NJ,US        5b   B27    0    0  0 1 0  0 6  0 11 8 26  7    25
Perzynski,
Richard        MD,US        5b   A 14   9    1  0 0 0  0 6  2 7  1 26  8    26
Wolf, Sean     WI,US        5b   D 51   0    8  0 0 0  0 4  7 8  0 27  9    27
Riston, Eric   NY,US Range Rover  5b  A 73   0  0 0 0  0 10 0 11 7 0   28   10  
   28
Truscott,
Jason          MA,US iia    88    2   B 29   0  0 0 2  0 5 11 2  9 0   29   12  
   29
Jamey, Peter   US    iia    88   2<-7 B 66   0  100 6  0 0  5 1  8 0   30   13  
   30
Loverro,
Joseph         NY,US iia    88   2<-7 C 43   0  0 6 0  9 0  8 1  7 8   39   14  
   31
Williams,
Steven         NC,US        5b   A 8    7    0  0 0 8  6 1  0 11 0 33  11   32
Check, Greg    MA,US Range Rover  5b  B 21   0  0 4 1  0 0  7 2 11 8   33   12  
   33
Boggs,
Michelle       VA,US        5b   A 6   10   11  4 1 0  0 4  0 11 0 41  13   34
Jackson,
Jeffrey        CT,US iii    88    2    A 4   0  5 0 1212 0  6 0  8 0   43   15  
   35
McCormack,
Kevin          FL,US Range Rover  5b  A 10   7  0 4 7  0 7  7 0 11 0   43   14  
   36
Gordon,
Caroline       US           5b   A 13   8    9  0 1 8  4 4  2 7  5 48  15   37
Braun, Ray     NY,US Range Rover  5b   A 9   0  8 0 1212 10 0 2  7 2   53   16  
  DLBF
Smith, Tim     US    iii   109    5a  C 71   x  x x x  x 10 7 6  7 6  DNF       
   39
Tackley, John  VA,US iii    88    2   C 32 N.C.
Braun, Gregg   NY,US        5b   A 12  DNF
Burton, Kevin  NF,CA Range Rover  2   B 30  DNF
Dutrevch,
Andreas        US     i     86    2   A 69  DNF
Loiodice, Mike NY,US iia    88    2   C 34  DNF
Lowe, David    ON,CA  fc   101    5a  C 41  DNF
Meyers, Jeff   NY,US iia    88    2   C 63  DNF
Morehouse,
Keith          IL,US        5b   D 50  DNF
Nault, Gene    FL,US iii    88    2   D 46  DNF
Saitanis,
George         NY,US Range Rover  5b  C 37  DNF
Silver, Jamie  IL,US iia    88    2   D 48  DNF
Storey, Brett  ON,CA  ii    88    2   D 54  DNF
Tollefson, Tom ON,CA  fc   101    5a  C 40  DNF
Valentino,
Rick           MD,US Defender 90  4   D 68  DNF
Young,         ,us   iii    90    7   D 56  DNF
Bear, Edward   ME,US iii    88    2   C 31  DNS
Brafford, John FL,US Defender 90  4         DNS
Daniels, Peter VA,US iia    88    2   B 24  DNS
Easton, Trevor ON,CA iia    88    2         DNS
Fowler, Bruce  ME,US iia    88    2         DNS
Halvorsen, Roy NJ,US iii    88    2         DNS
Holm, Ian      NH,US              2         DNS
Lavemour,
Annette        NY,US        5b         DNS
Massie, Glenn  ON,CA iii    88    2         DNS
Morrow, David  NJ,US iia    88    2         DNS
Motley, Major
Frank          VA,US Defender 90  4         DNS
Parks, William VA,US iii    88    2   C 39  DNS
Ricker, Bruce  ON,CA iia   109    5a        DNS
Rothman, Mark  NJ,US iii    88    2         DNS
Taglienti,
Roben          FL,US Defender 90  4         DNS
Tompkins,
Michael        MD,US iia   109    5a        DNS
Ward, Jonathan ON,CA        5b         DNS
Yeager, Kenton VA,US iia   109    5a        DNS
           - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

                            Section Descriptions

  1. Tight circular course runs though gravel pit, with some vertical and
     angled surfaces, with loose cover.
  2. Woodland uphill. (Lower Aesop's glade.)
  3. Woodland downhill, a bit mucky. (Lower Aesop's glade.)
  4. Field uphill with ditches across path. (Middle Pollux.)
  5. Steep winding uphill to top of mountain. (Top of lift #2.)
  6. Varried terrain, slighly uphill along power line. (Upper Arcadian
     Gate.)
  7. Long, fast, uphill from base into mud by the tree line. (Lower Arcadian
     Gate).
  8. Muddy section then into and down creek. (Lower middle Arcadian Gate).
  9. Open field with mud, slightly uphill. (Middle Arcadian Gate).
 10. Twisty open field, slightly uphill. (Upper middle Arcadian Gate).

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RTV Trophies and awards

Trophies were awarded to First in each class, and in larger classes, second
and third places.

     First Place in each class
          A trophy plaque and a Gift Certificate
     Second Place in each class
          A Gift Certificate
     Third Place in each class
          A Gift Certificate
     Dead Last But Finished
          A trophy plaque and a copy of "The Land Rover Experience"

In addition to the prizes from Atlantic British for the RTV, the First
Overall RTV winner was presented with a discount coupon from Pull-Pal.
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                                   Classes

Modified were rolled into stock classes, as appropriate, due to the small
number which finished the course. Most class 7 into class 2, as noted.

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                                   Notes:

DNS - Did Not Start
     The driver/vehicle was pre-registered but there is no record of it
     being inspected or competing.

DNF - Did Not Finish
     The driver/vehicle was inspected, and may have compteted, but did not
     turn in the score card or did not complete the course.

N.C. - Non Competitive
     Vehicle was inspected and ran the event, but had more than
     one passenger, or otherwise decided not to compete.

DLBF - Dead Last But Finished
     The competitor who completed the course with the highest score.

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			Thanks to the Volunteers

Volunteers from Ontario to Florida helped to run the RTV which was sponsored
by Empire Rover Owners Society and Ottawa Valley Land Rovers. Thanks to them
for making the event possible.

Advance scouting (May)
     Bill Leacock, Bill Caloccia, Trevor Easton, Jonathan Ward

Couse Set-Up (Thursday and Friday)
     Bill Leacock, Kevin Wiley, Pat Parsons, Jeff Berg, Bill Caloccia, Ryan
     Devondorf

Technical Inspection (Friday PM and Saturday AM)
     Quintin Aspin, Andrew Finlayson, Jeff Ham, Ted Rose, Bruce Ricker

Event Marshalls Saturday
     Bill Leacock - Lead Course Marshall, Cathy Leacock

     Group A: Pat Parsons, Dixon Kenner, Pauline Leacock

     Group B: Jeff Berg, Ryan Devondorf, Steve Bradke

     Group C: Bill Caloccia, Peter Doncaster, William Vincent

     Group D: Kevin Wiley, Jeff and Joyce Ham

Copyright 1998 Empire Rover Owners Society, Ltd.  All rights reserved.

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:16:57 EDT
Subject: Re: The Reliant Robin

In a message dated 98-08-07 07:05:00 EDT, you write:

<< 'Robin' (USS Reliant NCC1864) >>

Is this the name of your LR, or are you listing one of your many modes of
transportation?
I.E. 
A Reliant Robin
Isn't that the silly three wheeled thing Mr. Bean is always driving off the
road?
I didn't think ANYONE on such a truckish list would own one of those!

Alex Maiolo

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:29:57 EDT
Subject: Re: gaiters

In a message dated 98-08-07 07:08:46 EDT, you write:

<< Hallo ya'll der!
 
 Hail!  You ain' got go buy gaiters from no Ingle....  Me I got a frien'
 name T-Paul down in Napoleonville dat got him a whole bunch gaiters out
 behin' him house in a big ol' pen.  He got all kinda size.  
  >>

Whoever you are, I pissed myself laughing. I think I woke up my wife.

Chuggin' da sauce hot,
Alex Maiolo
Hillsboruh Nord Caroleen

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From: WORKMEISTR@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:47:18 EDT
Subject: .

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From: Keith Addison <gruno@att.net.hk>
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:48:26 +0800 (HKT)
Subject: Re: The Reliant Robin

>A Reliant Robin
Isn't that the silly three wheeled thing Mr. Bean is always driving off the
road?
I didn't think ANYONE on such a truckish list would own one of those!

Maybe not truckish but definitely bikish - in Britain you see big hairy
Hell's Angels in biking leathers clambering into Reliants. They're classed
as tricycles rather than 3-wheeled cars, so you're allowed to drive them
with a motorbike licence. Dunno if you can drive one with a car licence.

regards

Keith Addison
Lantau Island
Hong Kong
1973 Series III Lightweight

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 02:43:44 EDT
Subject: Re: AW: Diesel Tank Repair

You da Man.  I haven't got the guts to do that anymore.
I cheat death enough on the freeway.

Zack Arbios

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