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From: Paul.Wakefield@esrin.esa.it
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:01:21 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: re: GP Comments, Complaints, Camping, Swimming

Neil Brownlee" <metal_thraser@email.msn.com> wrote:
> an EXCELLENT get-together!'

I'm going to unsubscribe for a while until the lro list again resembles 
something discussing Land-Rovers !

Can anyone explain why this thread would be remotely interesting to anyone 
outside the U.S.A. ?

Che palle.
Ci Vediamo.

Paul.

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:12:11 -0400
Subject: re: GP Comments, Complaints, Camping, Swimming

>Can anyone explain why this thread would be remotely interesting to anyone
>outside the U.S.A. ?

It doesn't - neither does anything to do with Billing have an interest here
in the States. As we're a very variegated group off-topic or limited
interest things pop up and then go away.

Relax - it will pass. Go have a beer and take a deep breath - don't
unsubscribe. You really do need to lay off the caffiene for a
bit.....<grin>

     aj"I thought GP was great, meself
        - got to meet Nate Dunsmore!"r

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From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:26:09 +0100
Subject: Re: Hello. I am new here

hace mucho tiempo que no he hablado espanol...
So let's talk english.

Did you subscribe at the eu-lro list, as there is spanish people registred.

Alain-Jean PARES

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:37:27 EDT
Subject: Nigel's Disease, Voltage Stabilizer was Re: Complaints

In a message dated 8/6/98 8:17:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com writes:

<<  aj"I thought GP was great, meself
         - got to meet Nate Dunsmore!"r
  >>

Big thanks to Al Richer, 
While driving up to GP, the water temp gauge slowly kept rising even though
the engine didn't act like it was hot.  I figured Sandy Grice gave me Nigel's
Disease but wasn't sure how to test the stabilizer.  

For the low, low price of 1 bottle of Guinness, Al troubleshot the stabilizer
for me and pronounced it dead or at least terminally ill--made the drive home
a lot less stressful.

BTW Al, I put the candy thermometer in the radiator when I got home (didn't
even turn off the motor).  Reading: 175 F

Thanks again!

Nate

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 8:43:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Hello. I am new here

Now there's a lifestyle...chasing butterflies around Catalonia in a Land 
Rover 88...and getting PAID for it! 3 cheers!

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 8:41:09 -0400
Subject: Parabolic problems

Just a note to those of you who are considering parabolics.
During one of the off-road runs, I was confronted with an obstacle that 
should have been no problem, to wit, a 40 degree uphill incline of 
approximatly 50 feet in elevation. The obstacle had been traversed by 
three vehicles already, which had slung mud on the slope and made a 
couple slick spots. The surface was loose clay and rock, with a rut on 
the left side.
Because the rear of the truck was up on the check straps, there was 
little suppleness to the rear axle, and the tires hadn't been aired down. 
When I got 3/4 of the way up, I ran out of grip due to the back end being 
so tight. I got caught hopping up and down on the a**-end, going nowhere 
(happily hammering away at the u-joints). Slid back down several times 
into the weeds and had a heck of a time getting the whole shebang lined 
up for another run. Eventually, the ignominious tow strap was brought out 
and the 109 got over the top. I'm sure that the reconfigured rear 
suspension was the cause of the trouble. I recommend that longer-travel 
shocks be an integral part of a transition to parabolic springs. And 
forget the military shackles...pure overkill.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:46:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Nigel's Disease, Voltage Stabilizer was Re: Complaints

De nada, Nate. Glad to help.

Guinness is always a powerful motivator...8*)

          aj"Will troubleshoot for beer"r

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From: Peter Goundry <peterg@aircast.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:56:56 -0400
Subject: FW: GP comments

<Sandy Grice wrote: Gripe about the food, be my guest, you do it next 
time.>

Excuse me, when you start a venture like Greek Peak and charge an 
inordinate amount of money for food??, one expects something edible. 
If it had been free aka Rovers North, or supplied at a price that 
reflects the stuff being served, then nobody could gripe. That was not 
the case at Greek Peak. Don't pass the kind of bulls**t comment that 
you posted to the list. We are not stupid. We all know it can be done 
reasonably, check out your own yearly event at Penlan Farm. The food 
there has always been extremely good for the money spent.

Remember once you start charging people for services or merchandise 
then it beholds you to make sure people receive a reasonable return. I 
for one am sick of your patronising comments regarding the whole Greek 
Peak adventure. To a larger or lesser degree most of us are involved 
in organising events at the club level and we do know what is 
involved. If you can't take it then get of the pot!!!!

Peter Goundry
67 GS109" IIA, 73 Lightweight, 97 D90 #127

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From: Peter Goundry <peterg@aircast.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:57:28 -0400
Subject: FW: GP Comments

<Sandy Grice wrote: Add the fact that Series owners are a parsimonious 
bunch that squeeze a nickel so hardthe buffalo gets a headache, it's 
not unreasonable for vendors to "target" those who won't be buying 
used parts.>

and

< I can tell you that "orgainzing" Rover owners is very much like 
herding cats, and you can imagine what an impossible task that is.>

It is obvious from the postings put on the list from the various ANARC 
organisers that they have a very low regard for the Land Rover 
community. I wonder why they bother. Are they doing it for self 
aggrandizement or was Greek Peak a commercial venture. I suggest in 
the future they don't bother, let ANARC die a death, and leave it to 
the local clubs to provide for the local Land Rover communities.

Peter J Goundry
67 GS 109" IIA, 73 Lightweight, 97 D90 #127

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From: Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod <tantramar@golden.net>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:57:25 +0000
Subject: Fuel sender

Will the +ve earth fuel sender work on a -ve ground setup?  Can it be
"repolarised"  like the generator, or do I have to buy a -ve earthed
one?

Cheers, Ian
-- 
Ian Harper/Donna Claire McLeod
http://www.golden.net/~tantramar
Tantramar House Bed and Breakfast
Stratford, Ontario
Phone(519) 273-7771  Fax (519) 273-3993

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:02:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Fuel sender

Should work - Mr. Churchill's is the original, and I've negativised him.

All a fuel sender is is a variable resistance - they're not polarity
sensitive.

                         ajr

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thraser@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:09:46 +0100
Subject: Re: GP Comments, Complaints, Camping, Swimming

Billing?

Did I miss a week? I don't remember anything about Billing? I
asked....no-one replied...but there WAS a lot of mail nearing the event.
Er, anyway, it has to do with Land Rovers, or was I only the person there
without mine?

P.S. Weston Park is in the UK if you didn't guess already........

Neil (c'mon guys, as Alan says, Kick Back and drink a beer or too, just
relax, we're just getting to know each other - what we all like/dislike -
Lists are like that!)

SIII '74 2.25 Petrol SHJ 299M - 'Robin' (USS Reliant NCC1864)
Ford Explorer 4.0i '98 NIB 4318 - 'Comfortably powerful'
Daewoo Lanos 1.4 '98 - 'Kids must go to nursery!'

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:13:34 -0400
Subject: Re: GP Comments, Complaints, Camping, Swimming

>SIII '74 2.25 Petrol SHJ 299M - 'Robin'

As in brave Sir Robin?

"Brave Brave Brave brave Sir Robin...."

          aj"Sorry to start with the Python this early....8*)"r

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thraser@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:36:59 +0100
Subject: Re: GP Comments, Complaints, Camping, Swimming BUT NO LR CONTENT - BE 
WARNED!

Alan,

No....

As in Robin Reliant.....

Did you miss the story???????

I am also, sadly!, a python fan! So - I challange you to chop down the
tallest tree in the forest......with a Halibut!

SIII '74 2.25 Petrol SHJ 299M - 'Robin' (USS Reliant NCC1864)
Ford Explorer 4.0i '98 NIB 4318 - 'Comfortably powerful'
Daewoo Lanos 1.4 '98 - 'Kids must go to nursery!'

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:43:15 -0400
Subject: Re: GP BUT NO LR CONTENT - BE WARNED!

Neil,

Reliant Robin - you were mad enough to own one of those 3-wheeled
atrocities?

Have not heard the story - do tell!

Re: I am also, sadly!, a python fan!
>So - I challange you to chop down the
>tallest tree in the forest......with a Halibut!

That Herring - not Halibut.

And I only chop down trees with fish when I am working for scale...or just
for the Halibut, so to speak.

                    ajr

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From: "A.G.Dolsa" <dolsa@emporion.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:54:03 +0200
Subject: RE: Hello. I am new here

My life is devoted to the study of these organizations that they are the
better bioindicative.

My Land Rover me help to this.

But I receive the payment by the scientific study, not by traveling in Land
Rover

This would be too !!! c|;-)

Alfons G. Dolsa
Entomologist
----------------------------------
Museum of Butterflies of Catalonia
http://www.emporion.net/museu

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Adams, Bill [mailto:badams@usia.gov]
> Enviado el: dijous, 6 / agost / 1998 14:43
> Para: lro@playground.sun.com
> Asunto: Re: Hello. I am new here
> Now there's a lifestyle...chasing butterflies around Catalonia in a Land

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 21 lines)]
> '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
> "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "Ray Burton" <Ray_Burton@usairways.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:03:54 -0400
Subject: Re: GP comments

Sandy,

I stand duly chastised about the pasta.  OK, it may not have been bland,
but the pasta was not "al dente".  On the other hand, the hamburgers were
burnt hockey pucks.  This was not a complaint about the event organizers,
but the food preparers.  Most of the food was indeed very good.  I enjoyed
the roast leg of beef, the bar-b-qued chicken, and the sausage with peppers
and onions.  I especially enjoyed the bangers at breakfast on Sunday
morning.

All this is getting away from the string that I started on Monday
complaining about not any particular event or meal plan, but all British
Automotive events.  I was suggesting that the vendors offer British food at
British events like British food is sold at Scottish events, German food is
sold at German events, Irish & Irish/American food is at Irish events and
Italian food is at Italian events.  I'm not suggesting that they serve only
British food either as some may not want hardy English fare.  Being an
Anglophile and of Scottish heritage, as well as a Rover owner. it would be
a real treat to have dishes served inspired by the mother country.  Someone
else made a valid comment to also include food items from the Commonwealth
nations like Curry and Jerked Chicken.

By the way, British food no more bland or tasteless than many dishes from
around the globe.  Actually, there are many very flavorful British dishes.

To keep from being considered just a belly-acher from the sidelines, I
volunteer to help locate either the vendors who serve these items at the
Scottish/Irish events and/or locate their sources for the fare they serve.
It may even be possible to find a local pub to cater one or more meals.  I
will, also, invite any others who wish to volunteer their assistance.

On a last note, I did enjoy the ANARC 50th Rally at Greek Peak very much
and look forward to the next ANARC rally.

Cheers,
Ray Burton
'64 109 SW     '70 88    '84 RR

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thraser@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:03:27 +0100
Subject: Re: GP BUT NO LR CONTENT - BE WARNED!

Alan,

No No No! I didn't own a robin! Cor, give me some credit!

My Series III threw a wheel 10 minutes after I picked it up! Some git had
nicked the wheels and put some 'other' ones on finger tight......if I ever
find him/her!!! - it was one week before my 2nd child was born - skidding
off a serious corner in a Land Rover with 3 wheels into traffic is not to be
recommended. Thank god my alternative transport (yon Explorer) was ferrying
my pregnant wife and my daughter - I dread to think what would have
happened.....

Of course, some days earlier we were camping in  field in Bedfordshire on an
offroad weekend (yes I DID get the Explorer muddy, and gave the underside a
good scraping!!!!!!!!) !!!!!!!

Neil (Just testing with the Halibut!) - might interest you - I bought an
'Excalibur' sword for my wedding aniversary (I got married in full plate
armour) - 'If some watery tart threw a scimitar at me.......' (or
whatever!))

SIII '74 2.25 Petrol SHJ 299M - 'Robin' (USS Reliant NCC1864)
Ford Explorer 4.0i '98 NIB 4318 - 'Comfortably powerful'
Daewoo Lanos 1.4 '98 - 'Kids must go to nursery!'

------------------------------

From: "David Hope" <davidjhope@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:04:01 -0500
Subject: Series llA starter motor

My vehicle always starts without too much trouble (touch wood).  However,
sometimes when the starter motor is turning over it literally stops and then
turns again.  Should I worry about this momentary hesitation in the starter
motor.  It might be OK now in the summer but I am concerned about the
winter.  Should I pull the starter and have it rebuilt locally, or just
leave it.

David Hope
64 llA

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:08:56 -0400
Subject: Re: GP Comments

Hi All:
    Well I hate to say it, BUT:  Peter, I think that was a little strong!
Obviously, there were some problems, but like the fellow from England said,
We should count ourselves lucky to be able to have an event where so many of
us can get together from all over the country & spend some "Quality Time"
together.  Ya know, someone once said that you can please some of the people
some of the time, but not all the people all of the time!
    I count myself lucky that I was able to go, that so many others were
able to go, that the weather was beautiful, that ALL the people that I met
were great (Including the organizers,)
    If I realy wanted to get on the whinning wagon I suppose I could.  I've
been known to have my bitchy days like anyone else.  The few negative
comments that I previously made were meant ONLY to be constructive.  I also
offered up ideas that I hope could be useful for next years event.
    Comments as strong as yours worry me.  If I had been one of the
organizers, I can tell you what my response would be.  "Screw this!  I don't
need this bullshit."  "Someone else can do it next time."  I can only hope
that the organizers don't have the same attitude that I would have.
    I know that I WANT there to be Greek Peak # 2.  I feel that it was worth
the drive & I would gladly do it again.  Problems or no problems!
    Ya know, YOU GET MORE WITH HONEY THAN YOU DO WITH VINEGAR!  As a group
we have a lot going for us.  I'd imagine that if everyone on this list
offered help in some small way, (ideas, time, etc.) we could have a near
perfect event.
    I, for one, would be willing to help next year.  I live near
Schenectady, NY so, barring my other responsabilities, I'm sure I could be
of service for next year.  HOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU?  Out of the 300+
rovers that came, I wonder how many of you can offer up something POSITIVE
to help for next year.
    I hope we don't blow this great event because we're Sooo American!  (I
can say that.  I am one.)  There are some things the Britts have besides
Rovers that are useful.  In this case I'd say Relax & have a Warm Beer!
Now that I've said my peace, Please allow me enough time to get my fire
extingisher ready.  Fire in the Hole!!!

Yours in favor of GP # 2:

Drew Squires
drewteri@concentric.net
66 109 (Still getting Dressed)

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:46:46 -0500
Subject: Re: FW: GP comments 

Peter Goundry wrote:
  
> Excuse me, when you start a venture like Greek Peak and charge an 
> inordinate amount of money for food??, one expects something edible. 

	Food is a no-win situation.  No matter what you serve, threre will be
a subset that hate it.  I thought the faire was better than average and was 
better than I expected.  Peter didn't like it.    On the other hand Peter liked
the food that was at Penlam Farm while I'll bet that I could find a bunch of
people who thoght that food was swill.    The organizers can never win on
this one.

Ben

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From: "Rick Debold" <rick_debold@corp.adaptec.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 07:47:21 -0700
Subject: Re: 109s in Los Gatos

Christopher H. Dow wrote:

> That would be Nick Baggarly.  nick@baggarly.com

I can understand why, the house I drove past had the entire driveway loaded with
the 109s.

> He also has a 110, and appears to be achieving some notoriety.
> C

--
************************************************************************
Rick Debold                             Adaptec, Inc.
691 S. Milpitas Blvd.   email: rdebold@corp.adaptec.com
MS 210                                  fax: (408) 957-4999
Milpitas, CA 95035                      phone: (408) 957-2123

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:45:30 -0500
Subject: RE: Hello. I am new here

Who's talking spanish?
I have read none. Well not yet al least.
I'm still catching-up from yesterday!

Pero no hay ningun problema con hablar un poquito de español!

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Alain-Jean PARES <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Para: lro@playground.sun.com <lro@playground.sun.com>
Fecha: Jueves 6 de Agosto de 1998 06:29 AM
Asunto: Re: Hello. I am new here

>hace mucho tiempo que no he hablado espanol...
>So let's talk english.
>Did you subscribe at the eu-lro list, as there is spanish people registred.
>Alain-Jean PARES

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:53:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Eats in the GP Area (Ithaca)

Ray, glad you enjoyed it - drop me an e-mail if you are coming up this way
again! Cheers - Peter

>Peter,
>I had my first "Speedie" in Binghampton on Thursdya evening.  Loved it.
>Don't know why they don't have them in other areas of the country.
>Ray Burton

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:57:55 +0100
Subject: Re: Hello. I am new here

>Who's talking spanish?
>I have read none. Well not yet al least.

I did no say that there is spanish language on the list, but spanish
people...

send a message to majordomo@playground.sun.com
        and in the text of the message:
who eu-lro
        or lro, uk-lro,...

you will receive very soon a list of the members, and if you read it
carefully, you'll see some .es (¡Pienso que es por Espana!)

Alain-Jean PARES

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:10:46 -0500
Subject: Re: FW: GP Comments 

In message <bulk.23943.19980806055213@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:
  
> It is obvious from the postings put on the list from the various ANARC 
> organisers that they have a very low regard for the Land Rover 
> community. I wonder why they bother. 

	A low regard for the Land Rover community, eh?  Then why have these
people been organizing events, spending their own time in money, for up to
the last 20 years?   Why does Sandy take several thousand dollars out of his
pocket every year to float the Mid-Atlantic, hoping that it will break even
and that he will be paid back, knowing that no matter what he does people will
complain?   I think they have a much higher regard than you might think.

> Are they doing it for self 
> aggrandizement or was Greek Peak a commercial venture. 

	Greek Peak was definitely *not* a comerical venture.  The goal was
to break even.

> I suggest in 
> the future they don't bother, let ANARC die a death, and leave it to 
> the local clubs to provide for the local Land Rover communities.

	Here is the funny bit.  Did you even listen to who ANARC was?  ANARC
*is* the local clubs working together.  Each club took on a subset of the
event to organize and staff.  Many of these *volunteers* got to spend their
entire weekend working while you had fun.

Off the top of my head (and my apologies to the clubs that I omit):
    BSROA and DownEast did Registration
    OVLR did merchandise
    Finger Lakes and R.O.V.E.R.S. scouted trails
    Empire State did the RTV
    TARC did the Gymkanna
    Sandy (ROAV) took carea lot of the other details, like tents, garbage, 
      catering, Greek Peek, etc.
    I forget which club solicited all of the vendors and kept them happy (mea
      culpa).

	Any club that offered to help was greatly appreaciated and given a
task to own.  

	The tone of these email reminds me of an email posted to the 
mendo_recce list a few years ago.  People on that list were whining on how
they wanted the work of others to just be given to them.   The responding
post was, "You are all just a bunch of Lazy Buggers.  Go out and do something,
and then we'll trade our efforts."   So my challenge to you Peter is to
organize your own large LR event.   Make it better than Greek Peak.   Tell us 
when and where it will be.  I'll show up, even if I have to drive out from
California in the Series.   
	
Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: "Ray Burton" <Ray_Burton@usairways.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:13:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Eats in the GP Area (Ithaca)

Peter,

I guess you've followed to food string since Monday.  Since you're a local,
maybe you & I could work together to have some Brit food vendors or at
least Brit food at GP next year.

Cheers,
Ray

                                                                 
              "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>              
              08/06/98 10:53 AM                                  
                                                                 

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Ray Burton/VEN/USAIR)
Subject:  Re: Eats in the GP Area (Ithaca)

Ray, glad you enjoyed it - drop me an e-mail if you are coming up this way
again! Cheers - Peter

>Peter,
>I had my first "Speedie" in Binghampton on Thursdya evening.  Loved it.
      [ truncated by lro-lite (was 11 lines)]

Peter M. Kaskan                    Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382              Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396           Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:11:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Series llA starter motor

"My starter stops, then goes again..."

Grounds, grounds, grounds!

OK, heres' the skinny.

Most of the time situations like this are due to poor/bad grounds to the
device in question. If the current can't get through, the motor will turn
poorly.

Take a good look at your battery cables. If they're cruddy/corroded/not
well connected put new ends on them, clean up the terminals, bolt 'em down
tight and grease them to prevent corrosion.

As well as at the battery end, look at the other terminals of the heavy
leads. If they're corroded, clean and/or replace the lugs, or replace the
cables if they're really bad.

As far as the ground lead goes, it should be routed straight to the engine
block, with a second lead from the same point on the block to the battery
box base. There should also be a ground lead to the chassis elsewhere -
it's usually hiding down around the starter and leads to a lug on the
chassis. Again, if they're in poor shape, replace them or clean them.

This should fix the problem. Most starter troubles (in my experience)
aren't the starter, but the connections to it.

                         aj"Been there - done it too!"r

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thraser@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:28:34 +0100
Subject: Re: FW: GP Comments 

Ben,

I'm with you! If anyone who doesn't appreciate the efforts of others can do
better - I'll fly out of the UK (on a plane of course!) and come along and
see them try too!

Neil (Obviously I won't bring a vehicle!)

SIII '74 2.25 Petrol SHJ 299M - 'Robin' (USS Reliant NCC1864)
Ford Explorer 4.0i '98 NIB 4318 - 'Comfortably powerful'
Daewoo Lanos 1.4 '98 - 'Kids must go to nursery!'

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From: "Jeffrey Jackson" <jcjcj88@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:52:50 -0400
Subject: re: complaints

Bill Adams wrote:  I contend that not complaining, or rather listing one's
criticisms, does a great disservice to those who put this event together.
They need both
positive and negative feed back in order to improve things next time.

Agreed.  But as I said, (this time with a highlight): "To those who would
complain seriously about any aspect of the GP event, I suggest that you WAIT
UNTIL YOU HAVE EXPRESSED YOUR THANKS".

Yes, some of the whining is valuable.  Most is just a rehash of 2 or 3
blindingly obvious problems.  And none of it should precede a "thanks" to
the organizers.

Jeff

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From: Elwyn York <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 16:30:51 +0100

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:34:36 EDT
Subject: Re: Hello. I am new here

Luis,
The speaker of spanish is none other than a butterfly hunter in an 88".
Kind of another extreme from the old elephant hunter days huh?.

Zack Arbios
67 88' SW
87 RR
88 RR almost topless

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:40:38 EDT
Subject: Re: Series llA starter motor

The potential exists also to have bad starter brushes, should the clean
battery cable approach not work, a no-rebuild, rebuild consists of taking the
thing apart and cleaning the accumulated goo out folowed by new brushes in the
holders.  The brushes as they get used can start to float around and hang up
in their carriers.

Good luck
Zack Arbios

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thraser@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:42:48 +0100
Subject: Re: 

Elwyn?

Lost for words?

Can't believe the current thread, or did you forget to write a message!

Neil :-)

SIII '74 2.25 Petrol SHJ 299M - 'Robin' (USS Reliant NCC1864)
Ford Explorer 4.0i '98 NIB 4318 - 'Comfortably powerful'
Daewoo Lanos 1.4 '98 - 'Kids must go to nursery!'

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From: Elwyn York <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 16:48:13 +0100
Subject: Re: 

At 16:42 06/08/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Elwyn?
>Lost for words?
>Can't believe the current thread, or did you forget to write a message!
>Neil :-)

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>Ford Explorer 4.0i '98 NIB 4318 - 'Comfortably powerful'
>Daewoo Lanos 1.4 '98 - 'Kids must go to nursery!'

I was in a rush.. online... i didnt actually send this... it just... Went...

CYA
EY
S3 '72 (Dented) Lightweight. "Green Brick"
Eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk & Http://www.ey-eg.demon.co.uk

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:03:55 -0500
Subject: RE: Hello. I am new here

This butterfly catcher job sound interesting.
Is it really butterflies that you go looking around for?

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Zaxcoinc@aol.com <Zaxcoinc@aol.com>
Para: lro@playground.sun.com <lro@playground.sun.com>
Fecha: Jueves 6 de Agosto de 1998 09:37 AM
Asunto: Re: Hello. I am new here

>Luis,
>The speaker of spanish is none other than a butterfly hunter in an 88".
>Kind of another extreme from the old elephant hunter days huh?.
>Zack Arbios
>67 88' SW
>87 RR
>88 RR almost topless
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
>87 RR
>88 RR almost topless

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:04:42 -0500
Subject: RE: 

So?

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Elwyn York <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Para: lro@playground.sun.com <lro@playground.sun.com>
Fecha: Jueves 6 de Agosto de 1998 09:34 AM

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:06:36 -0700
Subject: Military and vintage tires
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I thought that the group might find this of interest.
They have loads of tires that were original style for the 1's-3's and a good
selection of military tires for both 15's and 16's.

Cheers
David
Full-time father of a 3.7 year old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA  - our home
wahooadv@earthlink.net

http://www.coker.com/

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:11:51 -0500
Subject: gaiters

Hallo ya'll der!

Hail!  You ain' got go buy gaiters from no Ingle....  Me I got a frien'
name T-Paul down in Napoleonville dat got him a whole bunch gaiters out
behin' him house in a big ol' pen.  He got all kinda size.  

Now, I ain' seen any on one dem coil-sprin Lan'-Rove', but on my II-A wit
de regular spring, me I got a couple big-ass bull ones up on top in de
rack what I got tied up to da wench cable.  It work real good.

Whenever I go wit mysef to see what de lady womens is up to, I jus' let
out some dat cable an' forget it.  Ever since I done put me a pair gaiters
on my truck, I ain' had nobody mess wit nuttin' on it!  

If any ya'll want, I can ask T-Paul if he got him a pair gaiter what would
fit one dem Lan'-Rover' wit' da coil spring.  Let me know.

Pierre

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From: Kirk Hillman <khillman@rttinc.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:17:26 -0700
Subject: Suspension and Carbs

    Being new to this list and a new SIIa owner, I would like the input
of the collective knowledge on this list to give me suggestions on two
topics.
    The first topic is suspension, specifically springs.  The truck I
just bought (66 SIIa SWB w/SIII trans.) has had a great deal of work
done on it mechanically, including new rear springs.  The owner said
that the old HD springs really gave a rough ride and the new standard
springs offer superior articulation.  What I would like to know is
whether or not it would be worth it to try parabolic springs.  I
initially thought about going coil, but this truck already has a
galvanized mint frame, and I would hate to have to waste it and buy a
new chassis.  Does anyone have experience with these parabolic springs?
I found a site that has them, TI Console, but they haven't returned any
email yet.  I haven't found anyone that uses them.  Any experienced
wisdom out there?
    Second issue, carbs.  This truck has, apparently, a Zenith carb.  I
say apparently because it says Solex in one place but I have been told
that it actually was manufactured by Zenith which late put their name on
it...?  I was thinking about a Weber one or two barrel.  Again I would
love to hear some experience on the subject about performance, mileage,
etc.  I saw somewhere that a Volkswagon parts place might be able to get
the carb cheaper than a Rover place.  I also saw a model number or
something like 32 or 35 DGV-5A, any ideas what they are?  Finally,
regarding installation, would it be best to get a new intake manifold
for the new carb, ie. worth the expense for the better performance?
    I want to thank all on the list in advance, I know that I will be
here a *bit*, now that I own a perpetual project (the Best 4x4xfar).

Regards,

Kirk D. Hillman
Proud new owner of a blue '66 SIIa

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From: nlamon1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:31:49 -0500
Subject: Bienvenido a Sr. Dolsa

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:32:09 -0500
Subject: RE: Bienvenido a Sr. Dolsa

Perdon?

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

-----Mensaje original-----
De: nlamon1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu <nlamon1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu>
Para: lro@playground.sun.com <lro@playground.sun.com>
Fecha: Jueves 6 de Agosto de 1998 12:35 PM
Asunto: Bienvenido a Sr. Dolsa

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From: BEN_NIBALI@denso-diam.com
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:01:01 -0400
Subject: More on Leaf Springs

Well, I have completed my rear leaf spring swap.  Everything went well once
I got the old springs off.  But now the back end of my '65 88" HT is
sitting about 2" higher than normal.  "Normal" to me, of course, is
probably about 2" lower than the day it left the factory, but I can't be
sure about that.  Anyway- the result is that the front is lower than the
back and it looks stupid.

So I've got two ideas.  One possibility is to remove a few leaves from the
rear packs.  There are 11 in there- which seems a bit like overkill to me.
I don't haul stuff with it and I don't pull a trailer, so I'd just as soon
have it sitting lower and improve the articulation and on-road comfort.
Maybe I could even get rid of the lean by removing an extra leaf on one
side.

The other option is to re-arch the front leaf springs.  They are in very
good shape (except for sagging a bit) and I don't have a lot of cash to
drop for new ones.  I thought I read something here, though, about how you
couldn't or shouldn't re-arch Rover springs.

Any experiences or thoughts on these two options?

-Ben
Maryville, TN

BTW- does anyone have accurate measurements of how high an 88" should sit
(from the factory)?  I'm thinking distance between the frame and bump stop
things (on top of the axle) would be the best measurement because that way
wheel and tire differences won't effect the number.

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From: Peter Goundry <peterg@aircast.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:21:34 -0400
Subject: GP: Comments (absolutely the last)

Fair comment Benjamin and well put.

My problem has been the patronizing attitude of the ANARC organizers, 
especially Sandy. I am well aware of the effort put in by all but that 
does not give anybody the right to attack the rest of the Land Rover 
community. Remember several weeks ago, the posting which called the 
Land Rover community tightwads (I don't remember the exact wording) 
because not enough people had registered for Greek Peak. Reread some 
of the postings over the last several days, pretty insulting don't you 
think. I registered early on, paid my monies, came, and had (except 
for the food) a pretty nice time. I don't expect to be lectured after 
the fact and I will exercise my right to say so. Everybody is more 
than welcomes to come to a R.O.V.E.R.S or a WCRC event and have a good 
time. We won't expect you to participate in the organization and we 
won't tell you what a bunch of dead beats you are if you criticize 
after the fact.

To the rest of you I apologize for these exchanges, this is definitely 
the last,

Peter Goundry
67 GS109 IIA, 73 Lightweight, 97 D90 #127

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:16:46 -0600
Subject: Re: More on Leaf Springs

At 03:01 PM 06/08/98 -0400, BEN_NIBALI@denso-diam.com, wrote

>BTW- does anyone have accurate measurements of how high an 88" should sit
>(from the factory)? 

The Haynes manual gives 5.67 in (144 mm) as the distance between the top of
the axle and the bottom of the frame for both basic and HD suspensions. 

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: dow <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:56:36 -0700
Subject: Re: More on Leaf Springs

You probably need front springs.  If you can possibly scrape together
the scratch, do it.  I found my IIA was just a lot more pleasant to
drive after new springs.  I also found my springs settled a bit after
the installation.

C

BEN_NIBALI@denso-diam.com wrote:
> Well, I have completed my rear leaf spring swap.  Everything went well once
> I got the old springs off.  But now the back end of my '65 88" HT is
> sitting about 2" higher than normal.  "Normal" to me, of course, is
> probably about 2" lower than the day it left the factory, but I can't be
> sure about that.  Anyway- the result is that the front is lower than the
> back and it looks stupid.

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From: Joel Baskin <joebas@symix.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:07:17 -0400 
Subject: RE: More on Leaf Springs

Hello,

Ben got me thinking, just how do you know it's time to work on the springs,
instead of too early? I figure I would know when it's too late.

The rover is leaning a bit to one side, though I'm the only one who's
noticed it. It seems to tilt the other way after a hearty ale.

Joel
1966 SIIa 88"

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From: Ketil Oftedahl <ketil.oftedahl@datapoint.no>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:14:11 +0200
Subject: Re: Reproduction Camel Trophy signs

They may be listed in the catalog, but this is the reply I got from
British Pacific when asking about the CT signs :
 
:
: Sorry, all the camel trophy items have been discontinued due to
: anti-smoking regulations.
:                              Thank You
:                                          Steve Hedke
:

So, does anybody know other sources for CT signs ?

Ketil

Joseph Broach wrote:
> For what it's worth, they're listed in British Pacific's catalog.
> -joseph
> knoxville, tn
> '67 IIa 88 ...almost there...

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:14:41 -0500
Subject: RE: Reproduction Camel Trophy signs

What would be the next step?

Not outfitting cars with ashtrays?

It's not that I approve smoking, but this is ridiculous!!!

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Ketil Oftedahl <ketil.oftedahl@datapoint.no>
Para: lro@playground.sun.com <lro@playground.sun.com>
Fecha: Jueves 6 de Agosto de 1998 03:16 PM
Asunto: Re: Reproduction Camel Trophy signs

>They may be listed in the catalog, but this is the reply I got from
>British Pacific when asking about the CT signs :
>:
>: Sorry, all the camel trophy items have been discontinued due to
>: anti-smoking regulations.
>:                              Thank You
>:                                          Steve Hedke
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 21 lines)]
>> -joseph
> [ truncated by lro-lite (was 10 lines)]

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 18:15:22 -0400
Subject: Lori Stickley ....address needed

Lori Sickley from Pennsylvania;
 I have lost your e-mail address
please contact me direct
or if anyone has her address please pass it along... TIA
Rgds
Steve Bradke

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From: Brett Storey <brstore@ibm.net>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 18:21:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Fuel sender

I tried that a few years ago. Worked but the bugger read backwards.

Brett

Ian Harper wrote:
Will the +ve earth fuel sender work on a -ve ground setup?  Can it be
"repolarised"  like the generator, or do I have to buy a -ve earthed
one?

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 19:39:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Series llA starter motor

David Hope wrote:
> My vehicle always starts without too much trouble (touch wood).  However,
> sometimes when the starter motor is turning over it literally stops and then
> turns again.  Should I worry about this momentary hesitation in the starter
> motor.  It might be OK now in the summer but I am concerned about the
> winter.  Should I pull the starter and have it rebuilt locally, or just
> leave it.
> David Hope
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> David Hope
> 64 llA
check your timing as this is a symptom of advanced spark timing.
It might be as simple as a worn cam follower on your points or points
that need adjusting.
    John and Muddy

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:03:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Military and vintage tires

Hi David - any idea on the price of those military ndt tires? Will they
work on the rover 15in, 16in SWB or 16in LWB rims?   Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:37:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Eats at GP (#2)

Hi There Ray B. -
	Yea, I'm shure I can offer some help for next year WRT food (that
is if I'm not too busy) - I don't know any local Brit. food places but...

	Oh, to all you organisers out there - I had fun at GP, and thought
it was fairly well done - Congrats! Nothings ever perfect, but I guess
we've heard all that already. Anyway, I hope there will be one next year -
Cheers for Now - Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: "The Stockdales" <mstockdale@mho.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:40:11 -0600
Subject: East and West

Hello all;

It seems that my old friends out East and new friends here
in the West are having the same complaints about their
respective rover rallies.  I here all of the complaints on
the list recently about the Greek Peak event, and they sound
similar to my complaints about our rally.  It appears that
there are two central causes; 1.0 the rallies are getting
too large, and 2.0 this expansion has led to novices, or
just plain ignorance on the trails.  This has left an lot of
people with a lot of distaste towards their fellow rover
owners.

Trail etiquette:  It appears that the many rules of the road
posted recently on the list should be adopted, and adhered
to.  On the trails marshals would police this, and everyone
with a complaint must be heard.  Obvious violators will be
ejected.  As for the organization of the trail rides, either
drop organized rides, or limit the numbers to whatever is
deemed manageable.  30+ is NOT.

Camping:  remove this from the organization of the event.
However consideration by the event organizers, as to the
location, and level of comfort must be made.  Holding a
event when you expect hundreds of people with differing
acceptable levels of comfort in an place/town that is a
major tourist Mecca is foolish.  Small town fairgrounds,
little used or remote state parks/US forest service areas,
would be ideal.  The Virginia and Ottawa events have the
best option - Private Land.

Anyway, a roundtable to develop a set of rules sounds like
the best start.

Mitch and the Red Dinosaur

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 20:24:33 -0700
Subject: [Fwd: Fuel sender]

The fuel sending unit isn't polarity sensitive, but the fuel gauge
itself probably is. If yours reads backwards after the change over, you
should reverse the wires on the gauge.
Jim Hall
Chilly Willy 1966 88"

Brett Storey wrote:
> I tried that a few years ago. Worked but the bugger read backwards.
> Brett
> Ian Harper wrote:
> Will the +ve earth fuel sender work on a -ve ground setup?  Can it be
> "repolarised"  like the generator, or do I have to buy a -ve earthed
> one?

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
> "repolarised"  like the generator, or do I have to buy a -ve earthed
> one?

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 20:35:21 -0700
Subject: [Fwd: Suspension and Carbs]

I don't have any personal experience with parabolics, but a friend of
mine rode in a Rover with parabolics at the Steamboat rally. He said
they gave a much smoother ride, and he was quite impressed with them. As
for Webers, I have a 1 bbl in my truck. I have absolutely no complaints
with it. I get about 15 mpg depending on my driving. As for performance
I have one of if not the fastest Rovers in Evergreen. My motor is a
little fresher than most of the others and I have an 8:1 head however,
but it definately doesn't hurt the performance as far as I can tell.
Jim Hall
Chilly Willy 1966 88"

Kirk Hillman wrote:
>     Being new to this list and a new SIIa owner, I would like the input
> of the collective knowledge on this list to give me suggestions on two
> topics.
>     The first topic is suspension, specifically springs.  The truck I
> just bought (66 SIIa SWB w/SIII trans.) has had a great deal of work
> done on it mechanically, including new rear springs.  The owner said
> that the old HD springs really gave a rough ride and the new standard
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 34 lines)]
> Kirk D. Hillman
> Proud new owner of a blue '66 SIIa

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From: MLadden@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:45:11 EDT
Subject: Greek Peak

Dave Johnson has hit the nail on the head!  I made the best of it and had a
good time.  Our club, West Connecticut Rover Club, turned up strong with 28
vehicles. Following our general motto of "Just have fun! " ,we proceeded to
hit the mud- and we did find some- , kick back a few beverages and meet new
people.  To hell with the politics, to hell with the egos and to hell with the
vendors if they dont want to display their stuff.  I thought the food sucked-
that is my opinion, and I was happy to take my stomach down to Rafters and
eat.  I appreciate the work that goes into organizing these kind of events.
Thanks to all of you!  Obviously alot of work was put into running the trials
and all involved should be especially thanked.  Lets all stop whining and
focus on having a good time at the next event.  Remember it beats work!
Although my series broke down getting to Greek Peak and my D90 went home on a
flat bed I survived-  

Mike Ladden , West Connecticut Rover Club

<It's too bad that the 50th event left some upset, but you can't please
everyone, I guess...but I just expected more from Rover owners...  

Sure the lot was dusty and the trails were dry.  Had it rained, everyone
would be pissing and moaning about camping in the mud and waiting around
in convoys of stuck vehicles.  Maybe some of you know of a location with
lush, green camping facilities with water faucets and fire pits every 25
feet, directly adjacent to hundreds of acres of legal, well-identified
trail systems where tour groups leave on the hour to lead everyone in
nice convoys of vehicles based on each drivers' own driving experience
from first-timers to old-timers.  Then, after a full day of driving, its
back to base camp for a 5-star dinner prepared right there on the
premises.  I know there is a lot of places like this out there, I am
just having trouble locating them.  

Perhaps, someone should have made one of these locations known when
Sandy and company were soliciting potential sites 9-12 months ago! Or
better yet, maybe you could step up and organize the 51st celebration,
though if it is going to be dirty and dusty with ski lodge food and no
showers, maybe I'll just stay home that weekend and wax the rover.

Personally, I had a great time last weekend.  I got to see a lot of
people that I hadn't seen in a long time, I got to make hockey-puck
hamburger jokes with those at my table, a little sunburn, and I got a
heck of a lot of driving in, too.  If you had a bad time, blame
yourself, not everyone who busted their ass for a year so that we could
all get together.> Dave Johnson

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:54:53 +0100
Subject: RE: Greek Peak

> maybe I'll just stay home that weekend and wax the rover.

Is that what you kids are calling it these days?

=:)
-scott (wondering if anyone has a spare alternator)

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:45:56 EDT
Subject: Re:speedo

In a message dated 98-08-05 07:06:30 EDT, you write:

<< I have a 1966 88" with a speedo problem. On short drives everything is
 fine, but after a while on a long trip, the speed on the speedometer
 will drop by ten to twenty mph.  >>
 Always start with a new cable.
Works (most ) everytime.

Alex Maiolo

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 21:47:39 -0700
Subject: [Fwd: speedo]

Will your generic speedo cable replacement work or do Rovers have
different sized ends?
Jim Hall 
Chilly Willy 1966 88"

RoverNut@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 98-08-05 07:06:30 EDT, you write:
> << I have a 1966 88" with a speedo problem. On short drives everything is
>  fine, but after a while on a long trip, the speed on the speedometer
>  will drop by ten to twenty mph.  >>
>  Always start with a new cable.
> Works (most ) everytime.

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Works (most ) everytime.
> Alex Maiolo

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:51:11 EDT
Subject: Re: rollcage

In a message dated 98-08-05 07:08:29 EDT, you write:

<< I figure, through the floor, either welded or bolted to Frame,
 re-inforce frame, etc.... >>
Get a catalog from Safety Devices. I bet you'll get some really good ideas -
those guys are pros.

Alex Maiolo

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 01:07:30 EDT
Subject: Re: More on Leaf Springs

Joe,
If your Rover tilts the other way after a hearty ale, there are at least two
possibilities which would require sufficient enjoyable scientific endeavor as
to make the study worthwile on its own merits.

1.  Would a lighter ale make the thing level out perfectly? Study just how
many lighter ales are available, determine the specific gravity and construct
a table for the FAQ showing the kind and amount of ale, the specific gravity
and the degree of tilt gained, left or right etc. Thus those whose Rovers
don't yet drink ( but leak anyway) can determine a potential best dose for
their beast.

2.  Determine just how much a Rover can drink and how will the Highway Patrol
perform a intoxication test on an all wheel drive vehicle.

Best of luck and good science.

Zack Arbios

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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:44:50 +0100
Subject: Re: More on Leaf Springs

Joel Baskin wrote:

> Ben got me thinking, just how do you know it's time to work on the springs,
> instead of too early? I figure I would know when it's too late.
> The rover is leaning a bit to one side, though I'm the only one who's
> noticed it. It seems to tilt the other way after a hearty ale.

Having just replaced the chassis with a new galvanised leaf sprung one and
fitted new springs and dampers all round, I now think that I needed new springs
over 5 years ago.The ride is  so much improved  its unbeliveable!
It passed the MOT last week and I have been driving about 20 -30 miles per day
since, at first it seemed higher at the rear but now I think the whole thing
has settled and it stands quite straight. I used a trolley jack and chain to
compress the springs to the correct distance according to the manual when
tightening the shackle/spring bolts so I hope the rubber bushes last a while.

Mick Forster
1972 109" Safari 2.25 petrol (now rebuilt!)
1963 88" IIA 2.25 petrol
Very sad Metro :-(
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/landpics.html

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