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From: DBoehme@HQ.NovaCare.com
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:29:21 -0400 
Subject: Gaiters

I promise that this will be the last time that I ask (I keep losing my
mail), but does anyone have the info on the company in England selling
gaiters for coil sprung vehicles?

Thanks in advance,
Douglas Boehme
dboehme@hq.novacare.com
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From: Joseph Broach <mbroach@utk.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:13:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Reproduction Camel Trophy signs

For what it's worth, they're listed in British Pacific's catalog.

-joseph
knoxville, tn
'67 IIa 88 ...almost there...

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:24:16 -0500
Subject: RE: Comments needed about a Truck offered

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Russ Wilson <rwwilson@mho.net>
Para: lro@playground.sun.com <lro@playground.sun.com>
Fecha: Martes 4 de Agosto de 1998 07:26 PM
Asunto: Re: Comments needed about a Truck offered

>How does it sound????  The sound you just heard was my jaw hitting the
>table and my heart bouncing off of my spleen.....
>The only comment I have is that I sure wish I could get my hands on a
>diesel D-90 for $7,000.
>Sounds like a hell of a deal to me.
>Russ Wilson

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 13 lines)]
>"That's just my opinion; I could be wrong...."
> Dennis Miller

I will take some time off today and talk buisness with this guy. And of
course, give a through-out inspection of the truck. Maybe this is the deal I
have been waiting.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 10:40:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Gaiters

DBoehme@HQ.NovaCare.com wants gaiters...

I think you are talking about PA Blanchard however I do not have their
Phone number at the moment if you ask again I am sure someone will have
it
Rgds
Steve Bradke  68 Series lla 88
              96 Discovery

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From: "Jeffrey Jackson" <jcjcj88@email.msn.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:41:01 -0400
Subject: complaints

GP complaints:

1.  It was dusty.  Next year, please have a dozen Series vehicles arrive one
day early to drive these roads and oil them down properly.

2.  People followed me too closely on the trails.  Next year, please provide
Turner engines at check-in so that I may pull away from such offenders.

3.  I followed people too closely on the trails.  Next year, please provide
a brake system overhaul at  check-in so that I may stop this dangerous
practice.

4.  The food was bad.  Of course, we cooked our own, but still I feel that
my complaint is legitimate.  Next year, please provide some sort of
camp-cooking training so that our food does not disgust us during this
event.

5.  There was limited water, so we were forced to drink an exceptional
amount of beer.  This was fine.  No changes needed.

6.   I was unshowered and, but for the numbing effect of the beer
consumption necessitated by the lack of water, would have been repellent to
those around me by day 3.  Again, no action needed.

To those who would complain seriously about any aspect of the GP event, I
suggest that you wait until you have expressed your profound thanks to the
unpaid organizers and staff who bore the weight of this event on their own
backs.  While we were out from dawn to midnight hooting it up on the great
variety of trails available (you did check in and get a map, right?), these
folks were working at keeping a bunch of "rugged, individualistic" lro's
happy; a task as enviable (and practical) as herding cats.

Thanks.  We had a great time.

Jeff Jackson
73 SIII 88
Waterford, CT

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From: Bob Watson <bobw@microsoft.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:20:22 -0700 
Subject: RE: Trail etiquette and convoy rules...

WRT using radios in convoys, one thing that our club has done on the larger
groups (20 rigs in a convoy) is to:

1) encourage all to have a CB, a handheld works fine if you don't want to
install one, but the "mobile" or dash mount types are easier to hear. If
someone doesn't have one, we try to put them behind someone that does so
they can have messags relayed to them

2) Have trail "leaders" (shepards might be a better term :-) sprinkled
evenly throughout the group with key positions being lead and tail,
obviously. In addition to the CB they have a private line on a VHF radio
(e.g. HAM radio if there are enough HAMS in the group, FRS radios, etc) This
allows the guides to have a priority line to relay information while the
rest of the people chatter on the CB.

-- Bob W

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:40:03 -0400
Subject: Re: complaints

I contend that not complaining, or rather listing one's criticisms, does 
a great disservice to those who put this event together. They need both 
positive and negative feed back in order to improve things next time. 
An activity that requires payment for services, whether they be 
organizational or material, implies a contract. If some people feel that 
the service wasn't in line with the price paid, they have the right to 
voice their opinion about the value of the services rendered. 

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:02:56 +0000
Subject: Re: complaints

>I contend that not complaining, or rather listing one's criticisms, does
>a great disservice to those who put this event together.

Perhaps right,Bill,provided such criticisms are constructive.i.e offer
or propose an alternative.

Mike Rooth

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From: chris stevens <chrisste@clark.net>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:25:04 -0400
Subject: Zenith O-rings

Hi all,

The trip back to Baltimore from Greek Peak was uneventful, except for some minor
carb problems. I suspect that the o-ring on the old Zenith is once again toast
and the floats probably need adjusting. ( Restarting the beast with a hot motor
takes a while and I am smelling those gas smells). Does anyone know what size
that blasted O-ring is--and where I can get it--so I don't have to order a total
rebuild kit?

Chris Stevens
Towson, MD

1969 Series IIa 88" Petrol

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:26:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Zenith O-rings

Were I in your shoes, I'd yank the O-ring and toddle down to the nearest
plumbing or industrial supplier with it in hand. A suitable match should be
easy to source....and a load cheaper than buying a kit, as you say.

               aj"I do this all the time - not for carbs, though"r

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From: msullivan@paravant.com (Mark Sullivan)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:28:56 -0400
Subject: RE: Zenith O-rings

ACE H/W has a good selection

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From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 18:13:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Zenith O-rings

Alan_Richer wrote:
> Were I in your shoes, I'd yank the O-ring and toddle down to the nearest
> plumbing or industrial supplier with it in hand. A suitable match should be
> easy to source....and a load cheaper than buying a kit, as you say.
>                aj"I do this all the time - not for carbs, though"r

  Care must be taken on exactly the right size of O-ring. Tried using one 
out of a kit assortment of 400 O-rings and thought we had it beat. On 
assembly of the carb the two halves were screwed together, but the O-ring 
was a bit bigger than the proper one and we still ended up with the same 
problem of gas running over it. A ring from carb kit was the real answer!

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:22:47 -0400
Subject: Convoy rules

"Wilson, Scott" <wilsons@msmail.vislab.com> wrote:

>So... why don't some people give us some convoy rules... maybe I'm the
>only one that doesn't know, but I wasn't there either, but I'd hate to   
>piss of everyone when I do make it to an event...

Trouble is, convoy rules and other things *were* available.  In fact, they
should have been included in everyone's packet of information.  As one sage
once put it, "It's that reading thing again."  Information was there, in
black and white, but few people bothered to read it.  I'd get asked
questions and people would literally be holding the answer face-up in their
hands. Case in point: trash cans labled in big black letters on neon yellow
for recycling (which the local area is serious about) GLASS, AL CANS and
PLASTIC BOTTLES.  I can't tell you how much McDonalds trash and other
garbage I pulled out of them.  No one bothers to read anymore.

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:22:49 -0400
Subject: Camping

Ed O'Neil" <Ed_ONeil@compuserve.com> wrote:

>I agree with the poor camping at the GP event. I found that the dust was
>too much and moved to the site accross the road next to the pool.

Especially when knuckleheads drive through the campsite at 30 mph...They
should be flogged.

 Asked
>around to see if it was fine and got the nod from the park attendent and 
>he was surprised to see the I was the only one there. Karen and I enjoyed 
>one of three 40 foot military tents with showers at the pool at no charge.

GP rents that site to a kid's day camp during the week....

>swimming pool was 2 bucks and after 5 pm it went down to a buck. The grass
>was great and there was no dust or rocks just fine camping all round! I
>think that if this event runs next year this park should be the designated
>camp area and leave the other area for a swap meet.

Folks staying in the condos could use the pool for free, campers pay $2.
The showers are cold water only....

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:22:53 -0400
Subject: LR Ranch

"Neil Sheridan" <neilsheridan@nac.net> wrote:

>9.  Ray Burton, the band did sing my "Land-Rover Ranch" song.  I was mighty
>flattered.  (Thanks, Sandy!)

And they/you sounded prety damn good!  If we can get a clean copy of it, we
could sell it over the 'net and make a mint!  (We'll worry about "The Boss"
later.)  If'n ya'll didn't hear 'em, the band was "Friends" from the
Binghamton area.  *All* the guys could sing, not just one lead, and outside
of national-level acts, they were one of the best bands I've ever heard.
Their rendition of Don McLean's "American Pie" was especially enjoyable.

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 17:22:51 -0400
Subject: GP comments

As for all the comments about the Greek Peak event and how it could be
improved for next time, most are valid comments and I thank you for them.
I'm also making note of them, and next year, when we ask for "volunteers,"
be assured that you all are going to be the first ones we call to orgainze
that particular part of the event.  Gripe about the food, be my guest, you
do it next time.  Complain about the off road, you show up a couple of
weeks early, locate the trails, make the contacts with DEC, prepare the
maps, fend off irate landowners when some yahoo goes where it is clearly
marked not to and *you* lead the trail rides.

>>Complaint #3
>>No one brought anything to sell. I was hoping for a swap meet, but there 
>>was none, or very little of that. Vendors targeted coilers.

It was by design that there would not be a swap meet.  I wanted one, but
others felt that would possibily infringe on the vendors.  As it was, both
Rovers North and Atlantic British chose *not* to sell parts (a big mistake
it turns out, in retrospect), allowing British Bulldog to basically own the
field.  As for vendors "targeting" coilers, it's simple math.  There were
never more than 16,000 Series vehicles imported into the US (12,800 actual
sales, another 25% or so personal imports).  Of those, maybe 4,000 are
still mobile.  Each year since 1987, LRNA has sold between  18,000 and
25,000 per year.  That's a quarter of a million vehicles.  Add the fact
that Series owners are a parsimonious bunch that squeeze a nickel so hard
the buffalo gets a headache, it's not unreasonable for vendors to "target"
those who won't be buying used parts.

Ray Burton wrote:

> limp bland pasta dishes,...Give me pub grub any time.

Obviously, you didn't try the fuisili alfredo with proscuitto and sun-dried
tomatoes.  Haggis for you next time....
> limp bland pasta dishes,...Give me pub grub any time.
>>No one brought anything to sell. I was hoping for a swap meet, but there 
jules@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy) wrote:

>My other advice to event organizers is that they not enter giveaways and
>drawings that they are running.  I saw people that bought plenty of raffle
>tickets that won nothing when the organizers walked away with several
>prizes.  This is tacky, whether by chance or by design.

This, frankly, is bullshit.  I wanted to win a $1,000 winch as much as the
next guy, and there is no reason I can't spend a few of my hard-earned
coins on a chance.  As it was, I won a lug wrench, and that was after the
fact when all the tickets from all the raffles were dumped into one pile.
Let's see, I you consider that "compensation", that works out to
significantly less than $.02 an hour.  (Back home, I bill out at $900 a
day.)  You do the math.

>As an event organizer for the Tellico rally, I think I learned a lot about
>what to do and what not to do for future reference, so it wasn't a total
>lost cause, but I wouldn't drive 15 hours to go again.

Remember that the orgainzers all live 10 hours away, and each made several
trips up.  After five years of orgainzing the biggest Land Rover rallies on
the continent, I can tell you that "orgainzing" Rover owners is very much
like herding cats, and you can imagine what an impossible task that is.
While I haven't been to Tellico (mean to, if I can ever find the time), do
you provide meals?  Tents?  Vendors?  How about first aid, or the hundreds
of other things behind the scenes, or dare I say it, insurance?  Even an
event as small as the Mid Atlantic with 165 vehicles costs $1,500 for
insurance alone.  And if you *don't* have insurance, your name better not
be anywhere in proximity to the title "organizer" or "club officer".  Just
ask Bill Hubert, former owner of Atlantic British.  I was there in '77 when
that debacle hit the fan.  There's nothing like $40,000 in legal fees and
two years of hassle (even when you *win* and the case is dismissed) to sour
you on Rovering.

Harry Brown <hbrown@hbs.edu> wrote:

>Now that we are all safely away form the site, I was wondering, were the
>trails along the power lines legal to off road on ?
>What abourt those others, like the gas line and the off shoots from the
>power lines ?
>I noticed gates that had been "skirted", and wasn't sure where we stood
>legally

A good question, and one that I wish more people had considered.  The
off-road portion was developed/sponsored/whatever by the Finger Lakes club.
 Originally, when they met with the DEC boys, they were told that basically
any trail that had tracks (such as logging roads where the land is already
being raped), those not physically closed with a gate or tank trap, or
specifically posted against motorized travel were "legal".  Later, they
seemed to change their minds in that regard (a pair of real Barney Fife
types that didn't get the word from above.)  However, the easements
(pipeline and powerline) were beyond their jurisdiction.  Closed or gated
roads are that: closed.  'Skirters' should be publicly flogged.  The few
who do it just screw it up for everyone else. And as for those who drive
the slopes at night, be forewarned that next year, they will be used for
heavy weapons practice.

The problem with a big gathering like this is a lot of people lining up and
running in 30+ vehicle convoys.  The whole idea was to get a map and go.
Two or three vehicles don't have the same visual impact that 30 do.  So if
you don't know where the trail goes (or feel compelled to move lemming-like
in huge groups) maybe you should stay out of the woods.

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: caloccia@senie.com
Date: 5 Aug 1998 21:35:18 -0000
Subject: Re: RTV results and other notes

Hi All,
	Thanks to those who came, and particpated in the RTV.

	The nature of the RTV is one of those events which you get a couple
minutes of action every half hour or so. It is less driving than a trail ride,
but hopefully is enjoyable in its own right.  There were a couple spots where
the courses went slower than anticipated  (the long uphill at 7, also
proved to be a long delay per vehicle), but in general, after the first section
most of the groups got the feel for it and three of the four finished by 6pm,
(our target time) the last one finishing slightly later.

	For those who've been to SCCA (or other club) Autocrosses, it isn't
as bad as three two minute runs in an all-day affair, and since the course
changes every section, the competitors should take a few minutes to check
out each section before driving, and if they aren't first, check out the
earlier vehicles, or if they are early and don't do well, see how some
later vehicle does it, possibly better than them. Some are in the group who
are good enough to set the pace, while many are still learning and can do
so by watching. Our target was to set the group size so that they should
be able to run through a section in about a half hour.  Twelve is ideal,
but with the number of late and on-site registrations, that number increased
to about fifteen.

	As for the severity of the course, being an 'RTV', or Road Taxed
Vehicle trial, it needs to be _non_damaging_ and to be navigable by any stock
Rover, from an 80" diesel to a 101" or 109" or 110" - and the course saw all
as types of vehicles on it.  Both challenging to the stock driver of a short
or long wheel base, leaf or coil and an opportunity for the drivers to 
demonstrate both their skill and knowledge of their vehicle, as well as the
capability of the vehicle.  In laying out the course we had my 88", Kevin's
lightweight, Bill L's 109" and Pat's 110", and it took about two days to 
scout locations and set up and test the courses, not to mention clearing
dead or live wood and doing a bit of earthworks at the stream, (to make the
entrance less vertical).  Chris V. was surprised that his 35"-12.5 M/Ts 
proved a hinderance - in part to decreasing the turning radius, and in part
to increasing the width of the 90". 

	The scores will be posted as soon as I finish typing them in, which
may be tonight, or later in the week, I'll be sure to drop a pointer on the
list, but you can expect them to be posted at www.rover-clubs.org

	Cheers,
	-Bill

PS	CSO readers beware: I suspect next year, Chris V. will bribe some
Rangie or Disco owner to borrow their 'normal' tyres for the day so his 90"
will gain some turning radius and be able to squeeze through the RTV gates...
don't worry, he'll bring the air wrench :-)

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From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:38:09 EDT
Subject: Re: complaints

Too Right !

Many complaints, not enough thanks and I didn't even go.
 By the way, Individualistic and Landrover owner in the same sentence is
redundant.

but I love your style

Zack Arbios

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:29:50 EDT
Subject: Re: complaints

In a message dated 8/5/98 10:44:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jcjcj88@email.msn.com writes:

<< While we were out from dawn to midnight hooting it up on the great
 variety of trails available (you did check in and get a map, right?), >>

Hi Jeff,

I, for one, wanted to see you going through the RTV with the Scamp (tm)
attached but no such luck.  Thank God Chris, Bill and I did our own serious
drinking 'cuz we were down wind.   

Seriously though, it was great to actually meet the faces behind the email
addresses.  See you all again next year (if not at Mid Atlantic!)

Nate

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:49:07 EDT
Subject: Re: GP comments

Sandy Writes:

<Ray Burton wrote:

> limp bland pasta dishes,...Give me pub grub any time.
Obviously, you didn't try the fuisili alfredo with proscuitto and sun-dried
tomatoes.  Haggis for you next time....>

Agree with Sandy entirely.

Sandy further quotes:
<>My other advice to event organizers is that they not enter giveaways and
>drawings that they are running.  I saw people that bought plenty of raffle
>tickets that won nothing when the organizers walked away with several
>prizes.  This is tacky, whether by chance or by design.
This, frankly, is bullshit.  I wanted to win a $1,000 winch as much as the
next guy, and there is no reason I can't spend a few of my hard-earned
coins on a chance.  As it was, I won a lug wrench, and that was after the
fact when all the tickets from all the raffles were dumped into one pile.
Let's see, I you consider that "compensation", that works out to
significantly less than $.02 an hour.  (Back home, I bill out at $900 a
day.)  You do the math.>

Gotta disagree here Sandy.  I bought one ticket for the winch.  I think I
should've won...I mean how many tickets does one need to win?  Oh by the way
Sandy, got a job for me too?

I personally didn't find all the schedules for various events until too late
in some cases.  Probably my own fault, but at the equestrian events and pony
club shows we participate in, all schedules are included with the check-in
packet, I just assumed it would be the same (you know what happens when you
assume...).  Overall, outstanding experience.  I might trailer up next year so
I don't have to depend on the Brick to go off road AND transporting me home
(puts a damper on the off-road prowess)

Nate

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From: Lawrence Lee <lawrencelee_tc@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:15:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Wandering Speedo

---jimfoo@uswest.net wrote:
 
> I have a 1966 88" with a speedo problem. On short drives everything is
 fine, but after a while on a long trip, the speed on the speedometer
 will drop by ten to twenty mph. If I decelerate or shift into neutral
it will return to it's normal reading. When I shift back into gear it
will drop again. I think it is some kind of thermal problem, as in
something expands when the tranny gets hot, which is why it is ok on
short trips.<

Had the same problem. I went by the cheapest way and gradually
"progressed" into replacing parts. Here's what I did:

1) remove rear prop shaft, tighten the output flange nut. Results -
slight improvement, but introduced a louder "klunk" into the
drivetrain when slack is taken up.

2) Tightened all speedo cable connections at the transfer case,
speedometer and speed warning device (only in Singapore). Results,
needle fluctuate less on slow(10km/h) speeds.

3) Replaced speedo (I had replaced it just 3 months back and so the
parts dealer is willing to take it back as it is still under
warranty).Results, no improvement.

4) Replaced speedo gear in the transfer case to solve the problem.
Apparantly, the cause was an OEM gear with a less than square slot for
the speedo cable. When it is cold, it's alright. But due to
differences in material (slot is brass while speedo cable is steel) I
surmise that heat cause them to expand at different rates, hence the
loss of speed after warm-up.

good luck on your efforts,

==
Lawrence Lee
Blk 22, Sin Ming Road, # 11-216
Singapore 570022
Tel: (65) 456 7815   Mobile: 9 684 3678

Land Rover SerIII 109, 2.6l   "Kerbau"
A Malay name for Water Buffalo. One that PREFERS to stay in mud.

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:18:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Rough Running

Check your thermotime sensor and your cold start injector. Is it running rich
and " lumpy" when it misbehaves. Once its started pull off the cold start
injector plug and take it for a run to see if it does the same thing.

Alan Logue wrote:

> Hi all.
> Anyone have any clues on the cause of the following.
> On a cold day 45F, and cold engine, I started up fine and it idled ok. Let
> it run for about 3 minutes and drove off.
> About 3 km from home, on a level piece of road, the engine (3.5 efi in a 91
> manual Disco) started running rough for about a km or two, then settled down
> and has been fine.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 21 lines)]
> Ph +61-8-83228965
> Fax +61-8-83875535

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:13:01 -0400

It's great to read the comments on GP, the good, the bad and the ugly. 
 Hopefully we can learn from our errors, ommissions and oversights and do
better if there is another GP.

In  deference to the organisers there are some things that you should know.
 A lot of people made several visits to  GP prior to the event and spent
several days immediately prior to the event and after the event, at some not
inconsiderable personal expense in time, effort and money. In addition to
all the other work undertaken at home and work  No one recieved any
renumeration for their work, only for expenses directly associated with the
event, ie trial canes,  printing  etc. Gas and  oil etc was not covered.  It
was done for love of,  and interest in our Land Rovers,

 Now that we know there are so many experts out there we should have no
problem next year in :-
( one way to quiet the critics is to ask them to do better. ) 
 1)  finding an organiser(s)  for the swap meet who will lay out the area,
control the exhibitors and ensure that the site is completely cleared of all
the parts that people bring and that do not get sold. Clean up the oil
spills etc.

2)  Finding a volunteer(s)  to spend all weekend filling everyones water bottle

3)  Finding volunteer(s) to spend several days  prior to the event scouting
the local trails, ensuring that they are legally accesable, mapping and
grading them etc ( only to find that a lot of particiapants cannot read a
map ) copying the maps and distributing them. 
 Several persons actually spent a lot of time on what has been described by
some as not well done etc.

4)  Bill C. and  I have been aked to consider doing the RTV again next year
( if the event is run ) , I am more than willing to step aside and leave it
to others so that I may have the pleasure of entering a free event ( that
is, if it is free again next year. )

5) Finding volunteers to spend 24 hours a day to be on hand to sort out the
problems and queries, install and run a PA system etc.
 On a more seriuos note, are there any listers who have access to PA
equipment that could be borrowed for the event ?

6) Volunteers to keep people off the steep slopes so that erosion grooves
are not worn into the face of the mountain.  Now "somebody"  has to fill in
the grooves left by some of our more inconsiderate visitors. Tread " how " 

 Submit your names to Sandy Grice for any of the above positions, or for
that matter any other position you feel qualified to undertake, and we will
select the best candidate.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:24:19 -0400
Subject: GP

  >  A smaller complaint is that the organizers won a lot of the drawing
items but I'm probably just jealous

Probably because they bought a lot of tickets !

 Bill C and I were organisers, we did'nt win the winch either ( or any of
the other prizes !! )
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 21:27:09 -0700
Subject: Re: 109s in Los Gatos

That would be Nick Baggarly.  nick@baggarly.com

He also has a 110, and appears to be achieving some notoriety.

C

Rick Debold wrote:
> Greetings,
> I am new to the LRO list but have been on the RRO list for the past 2 years.
> I was driving down University Ave in Los Gatos, CA last week and I passed a 
house
> with 3 109's (Dormobiles?) in the driveway and an 88 parked in front.  Are 
you on
> this list?  I have several questions that you may be able to answer for me.
> Please respond directly.
> FWIW, I'm thinking of upgrading from my 96 Discovery to a Series if I can 
find the
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> MS 210                                  fax: (408) 957-4999
> Milpitas, CA 95035                      phone: (408) 957-2123

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From: jimfoo@uswest.net
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 23:09:47 -0700
Subject: Re: Wandering Speedo

Thanks for the idea. Hopefully that is the problem as I don't really
want to take the tranny apart for nothing.I will look at the speedo gear
as soon as I get to my more important repairs like tie rods, railco
bushings, and hub seals. A Land Rover owners work is never done.

Jim Hall
Chilly Willy 1966 88"

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From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:12:26 +0100
Subject: LR Sighting (TV)

Watching 'The Outer Limits' last night on Sky1 there was a SIIa LWB Safari
featured (some bunch of archaeologists (sp?) were working in the middle of
nowhere and one of them showed up from a shopping trip in the LR). When
they started to unload it had a tailgate, rather than a safari rear door.

It was all blue, and I think the front grill was missing (looked a bit like
the one stallone drove in 'Cliffhanger').

As an aside for trekkies it also featured Robert Picardo, also known as the
holographic doctor from 'Voyager'

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
*******************************
Big Bad n' Blue

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From: "A.G.Dolsa" <dolsa@emporion.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:20:31 +0200
Subject: Hello. I am new here

Hello. I am new here.
I am a happy proprietary of a Land Rover 88. My third LR (86,88,88).

Has 19 years and therefore has right to vote.
It is my work tool. I am biologist and work in Natural Parks.

My Land Rover  never it abandons me.

Alfons G. Dolsa
Entomologist
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Museum of Butterflies of Catalonia
http://www.emporion.net/museu 

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From: "Alain-Jean PARES" <InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:31:39 +0100
Subject: Re: Hello. I am new here

>Hello. I am new here.
>I am a happy proprietary of a Land Rover 88. My third LR (86,88,88).

Benvinguts.
Alain-Jean PARES
Fontainebleau, FRANCE
88 D Series III

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thraser@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:48:45 +0100
Subject: Re: GP comments

Hi guys!

Just CANNOT believe all this griping about an organised event! I happily go
to a smallish world music festival in Wales every year - there's not really
any facilities, it's put on by the people for the people. The ONLY person I
know who moans about the noise at night/lack of facilities is my father, but
he still goes every year!

The thing is, in the UK we have 'shows', a bit of tame offroading etc and
lots of stalls - it would appear that the GP event was something most of us
here in the UK would give our left legs for (guess who drives an auto!)!

Just be thankful that there are still people willing to organise such events
for you - if you don't like the way it's run, don't whinge, mince and moan
to others, make valid suggestions - POINTING FINGERS AT ORGANISERS AND
MUMBLING DISCOURSE DOES NOT IMPROVE EVENTS!!! Find someone, tell them what's
wrong - don't be a Brit (I am one so I can say this...) - if we are unhappy
about something we usually accept it anyway!!

Neil - 'Cannot believe the AMOUNT of moaning going on about what looked like
an EXCELLENT get-together!'

SIII '74 2.25 Petrol SHJ 299M - 'Robin' (USS Reliant NCC1864) - SOLD!
Ford Explorer 4.0i '98 NIB 4318 - 'Why do all my passengers grab their seats
when I accelerate?'
Daewoo Lanos 1.4 '98 - 'Kids must go to nursery!'

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thraser@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:50:58 +0100
Subject: Weston Park

Anyone going to Weston Park this weekend?

I'll be there, my club has got some passes to display our vehicles - so if
you see an Emerald Green Explorer - come and say hi! It's NIB 4318 (wearing
EUROPLATES!)

Neil (If you're lucky I'll buy you a pint - otherwise you can look after me
youngsters while I get one!)

SIII '74 2.25 Petrol SHJ 299M - 'Robin' (USS Reliant NCC1864)
Ford Explorer 4.0i '98 NIB 4318 - 'Comfortably powerful'
Daewoo Lanos 1.4 '98 - 'Kids must go to nursery!'

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From: "A.G.Dolsa" <dolsa@emporion.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:32:44 +0200
Subject: RE: Hello. I am new here

Je vous remercier votre salutation in catalan. Merci beacoup

And for everybody I invite to visite my LandRover site in
http://www.emporion.net/landrover.htm

Alfons G. Dolsa
Entomologist
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Museum of Butterflies of Catalonia
http://www.emporion.net/museu

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Alain-Jean PARES [mailto:InfoDyne@wanadoo.fr]
> Enviado el: dijous, 6 / agost / 1998 11:32
> Para: lro@playground.sun.com
> Asunto: Re: Hello. I am new here
> >Hello. I am new here.

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> Fontainebleau, FRANCE
> 88 D Series III

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