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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:10:25 +1000
Subject: Pulled my head off... ;-)

Dave Brown wrote of his engine:
>are completely in synch with each other (both TDC at same time)
>as are the 2 & 3 cylinders, but exactly opposite.  Maybe all 4 cyl's
>are like this, and I just never noticed... ???

Yep,  so are all even number cylinder in-line and horizontally opposed
engines except 2-cyl) (i.e. 4, 6, 8, etc).  Not sure about V engines.

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:06:41 +1000
Subject: Re: coiless Rifle

Mike Rooth wrote of the Saint stories:

>Read them all at one time,

Yep, but I'm still looking for a "Hirondel" (or should that be "an
Hirondel"?) to restore.  I suspect it might be a little hard to find one 8-)

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:30:57 +1000
Subject: Volts wagon

Bill in Albuquerque asked:
>Can someone enlighten my feeble mind as to how the
>instrument voltage stabilizer works and can go bad?

The voltage stabiliser is an electomechanical device - it ain't silicon on
early Rovers (or other British cars).

It is a bimetallic strip with a heating element around it.  The power passes
through a set of contacts, one of which is on the bi-metal strip.  As the
strip heats up, the bimetallic strip bends owing to the different
coefficients of expansion of the two metals.  The contact thus open, the
element cools down, the strip cools and straightens out.  The contact make
once more, the element heats up etc, etc.  Some models of the Lucas voltage
regulator have a screw adjustment.  With all these regulators it is
important that they are earthed well and they must be horizontal.

If you put a voltmeter on the output, you'll see the output  pulses between
0 volts and 12 volts.  The average is about 10 volts but you won't see this
on a meter.  The pulsing voltage isn't a problem to the fuel gauge or temp
gauge as these are thermal devices too so their thermal inertia damps out
the pulsing voltage.  That's why the gauges take so long to come up to
correct reading after the ignition is turned on.

Why has yours failed?  Check the earth first.  They are pretty robust
devices.

Regards,
Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
'86 Range Rover 4.8L auto  "The Last Aquila"
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
check my web site at www.users.bigpond.com/hillman

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:48:40 +0000
Subject: Re: coiless Rifle

>Yep, but I'm still looking for a "Hirondel" (or should that be "an
>Hirondel"?) to restore.  I suspect it might be a little hard to find one 8-)
I always pictured it as an open Lagonda,possibly an M45.But then again,
hirondelle is French for swallow isnt it? So since Jaguar started as
Swallow Sidecars,(SS) then became SS Jaguar etc,could have been a prewar
Jag.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "bill.di" <bill.di@mci2000.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 20:47:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Voltage Stabilizer!

Thanks to ajr for the explanation.  Looks like I have a bad voltage stabilizer 
(I'm crossing my fingers that this is the only problem I have ;-)).

My stabilizer is fixed to the back side of the speedometer.  Looks just like 
the picture in my Land Rover Series III Repair Operation Manual.  It has a 
green lead which goes to terminal "B" on the stabilizer, and a light green lead 
which goes to 
terminal "I" -- had to use a mirror and flashlight to read the letters.   The 
green and light green leads were hooked up to the proper terminals.

Given that those two leads should have different voltages, then my stabilizer 
is toast since the terminals indicate the same voltage:  12.3 volts.

So the next troubleshooting step will be to order a new stabilizer next time I 
order parts ... although I am not sure when that will be.

Again, thanks to ajr ... and everyone else who offers considerate input to the 
LRO-Digest.

Bill

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From: "bill.di" <bill.di@mci2000.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:26:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Backwards Timing Gear?

Peter M. K wrote:

" ... Briefly, I don't have a pointer, or a timing light. Some ar$e-ole put the
"timing  gear on backwards" Now I have to reverse all the wires 180
degrees!!! Can you believe that!!"

This was of interest to me.  My Ser III had an *obvious* wobble in the 
distributor assembly.  After much wringing of hands and turning of wrenches 
(removed and refitted the assembly a few times), I discovered that the little 
metal coupling was 
reversed; this is the coupling that the distributor assembly is turned by - it 
has an offset slot which if reversed will cause the wobble.  So, I fixed that 
but also had to re-route the spark plug wires by an unconventional 180 degrees. 
 This 
necessitated buying a new set of ignition wires that could reach the #1 
cylinder plug from all the way across the distant side of the distributor.  
Same thing for the #4 cylinder wire.

The contracted seller (via an importer in Georgia) overlooked the wobble ... or 
installed the timing components incorrectly.

Bill in Albuquerque

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From: Elwyn York <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:08:37 +0100
Subject: Washing Landrover

Hi folks

I popped down to the local Ford garage today, they give unlimited access to
a hi-pressure steam cleaner for 3ukp.

So, after 20 minutes of cleaning the mud and muck off the LR outside they
seemed surprised and nearly shocked that i was using the same system to
clean the inside of the vehicle out. Its not as if there was anything
breakable inside the cab. i did the floors, minimal dampness to the seats
and i didnt do the dash.  After me was a discovery. Somehow I didnt think
he would do what i did! At least i have cleaned the back out now...

OK for a bit more. Then again, i drove home in heavy rain. I drove about 10
miles with the wipers off - cos i could see more!

Still, i didnt get out of 2nd gear all the way home. the traffic is
terrible.  they should all walk, i could get to 4th gear then!

Cheers
Elwyn

S3 '72 (Dented) Lightweight. "Green Brick"
Eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk & Http://www.ey-eg.demon.co.uk

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@primail.pr.cyanamid.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 98 14:50:13 EDT
Subject: Re: Backwards Timing Gear?

It was written:

" ... Briefly, I don't have a pointer, or a timing light. Some ar$e-ole put the
"timing  gear on backwards" Now I have to reverse all the wires 180
degrees!!! Can you believe that!!"

Presumably, by timing gear, you're talking about the little unit on the
bottom of your distributor.  It's an easy fix, mate.  Pull your 
distributor out again, push the pin out that holds the gear in place
using "a suitable drift", rotate the gear 180 degrees, and then
slap it back together again.  No biggie.

You should have #1 on your distributor closest to #1 cylinder...this
way your wires don't have to cross each other as many times as they
would if #1 on your distributor was pointing towards where your
horn is mounted (inside the r/s wing on lhd models).  I've seen some
rovers with this reversed (Nige included, when I got him) but can't
say for certain how they're *supposed* to come from Solihull. Almost
all the ones I've seen that I suspect were factory jobs (and only
suspect 'cause I know their history quite well) are set with #1
closest to #1. Makes sense.

Now, alternatively, if you really meant timing gear, which can only
mean the cam side gear and not the crank end ('cause it's keyed and
can only go on one way, unless you TRY as I once did to put it on
backwards...don't try this at home, folks), you mean it's on 180 
out.  OK, relax.  Runs, don't it?  So someone switched the wires
then, eh?  If you aren't happy the way they are, do as above.  If
you want to time the thing, either statically or with a light, 
just do as you would for #1 on #4.  

rd/nige

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:50:09 EDT
Subject: Re: coiless Rifle

In a message dated 31/07/98 14:18:34 BST, you write:

<< Yep, but I'm still looking for a "Hirondel" (or should that be "an
 Hirondel"?) to restore.  I suspect it might be a little hard to find one 8-)
  >>
.... and the Furrilac (sic) ?

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: "David and Cynthia Walker" <wahooadv@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:15:12 -0700
Subject: Re: coiless Rifle

Hirondel - was the fictional car that Simon Templer drove as The
Saint......took me a bit of looking to find this. The Volvo P1800 was a real
life substitute. Jaguar was offered to supply vehicles but Volvo did the
first one for free.
You stumped me with this one - I thought that I knew most of the really rare
and odd ball vehicles, but I had never heard of a Hirondel.
Hirondel Motor Company - Coventry

Cheers
David
Full-time father of a 3.5 year old
1970 Land Rover IIA, 88" - "BEAN TOAD"
S/V KALAKALA, Ingrid 38, ketch - our home
wahooadv@earthlink.net

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From: Joel Baskin <joebas@symix.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:19:22 -0400
Subject: RE: coiless Rifle

Hi there,

At the gas station today, a Porsche 917 pulled up behind me. (It's a street
version of the grand prix vehicle. Says there are only 10.) By an even
smaller coincidence, he had seen my wife in the zebra rover this morning on
the highway, and said it looked pretty good. Took that to mean the rover.
(My wife is better than that.)

Have a great weekend at the Peak!
Joel

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:38:50 EDT
Subject: Re: coiless Rifle

In a message dated 31/07/98 21:17:06 BST, you write:

 Hirondel - was the fictional car that Simon Templer drove as The
 Saint... >>

Simon Templar (sp) also drove a Furrilac (sic - I can't be bothered to look
through my Saint books)
 The Volvo was driven by Roger Moore in the TV series. 
L/R content: In the Persuaders, also starring Roger Moore (with Tony Curtis)
the first use of a Range Rover in a TV programme brought problems. Mr Moore
drove the Range Rover through a gate - a spar went through the windscreen....
filming was held up for four days. It was difficult to find a Range Rover
windscreen in 1970!!! (am I sad or wot?)

More L/R content, in my continuing search for Saint books ( I only have thirty
two) I drive my L/R to s/hand bookshops...... (I AM sad)

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Sski3@aol.com
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:52:06 EDT
Subject: FFR ex-Mod sale

Hi Larry,can you email me the particulars on the 66?
I tried to mail you but it was an invalid screen name.
Thanks
Steve F
Merrimack NH

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:09:08 -0500
Subject: D90 price

How does US$ 7.500 sounds for a 1990 diesel Def 90?

Someone's fired is selling it, and this someone offered me, if he did buy it
to get the deal.

And please dont tell me to check with the coil-sprung list. (just to be
sure!)

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:12:02 -0500
Subject: RE: D90 price

Sorry, I meant "someones friend..."

>Someone's fired is selling it, and this someone offered me, if he did buy
it
>to get the deal.

>Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
>Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
>E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
>Tel: (506) 296 2743
>Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:18:04 +0100
Subject: Sorry to talk about rover stuff, but...

Sorry to break up the fun... and I know I'm gonna be the only one
on the list this weekend, so my email will get ignored as usual,
but I having considerable problems getting my fuel pump off of my
73 SIII 88"

In general, there is a lot of "farmer John" in this rover... and boy
did he think he was clever... So my restoration so far has consisted
of undoing most of his doing... 

So anyway... there's some electrical fuel pump in there that he
put in that I'd like to replace with a rebuilt original fuel pump...
Problem is that I can't get the damn thing off...  I took all the 
bolts of the mount, and it just doesn't buge... Is there something
that could have been done to it over the years that is making it 
stick? Any suggested techniques for convincing it to do otherwise?
a block of wood and a hammer to break any sealing compound that
might be there? will that tear something else up? I had some engine
degreaser with me, so I gave it a good shot of that before I left it
for the night... just for the hell of it...

thanks.

Scott

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From: Lawrence Lee <lawrencelee_tc@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:18:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Misfiring Diesel 2.25

Hello listers,

My friend is not subscribed to the list and had asked me to check from
your collective wisdom.

His 2.25 diesel has a habit of misfiring at higher revs. There is
plenty of torque and compression is good (rebuilt it completely
10,000km ago).

He cannot hold a gear for long before the engine starts to jerk in
spurts uncontrollably. To control that situation, flooring the
accelerator pedal or releasing it does the trick. Changing to the next
higher gear works too. He does not have a tachometer to count revs,
but rekons that it happens at about the 1500+ rpm range.

To describe the symptom as it happens:
Engage 1st, release clutch and press accelerator, engine pulls cleanly
and strongly. Hold the throttle for revs to pick up higher, engine
lurches forward then loses power and repeats this performance at high
cycles. Change up to 2nd gear, all is well until about 1500rpm mark is
reached. At 4th gear, floor pedal when it starts to jerk and engine
pulls nicely again till you decide to ease off the throttle.

This makes following others in a convoy quite difficult.

Any thoughts?

==
Lawrence Lee
Blk 22, Sin Ming Road, # 11-216
Singapore 570022
Tel: (65) 456 7815   Mobile: 9 684 3678

Land Rover SerIII 109, 2.6l   "Kerbau"
A Malay name for Water Buffalo. One that PREFERS to stay in mud.

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:54:09 +0100
Subject: Another question...

When you clean out your air filter, do you really use "clean fuel"
meaning gasoline - like the manual says? any other methods for this... 

-Scott

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From: Dan & Sally Cantwell <dcantwel@cgo.wave.ca>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:55:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Sorry to talk about rover stuff, but...

Hey Scott
 Give it a little persuasion with the hammer; it might just be the gasket
that has turned into super glue. just don't go ballistic on it.
  Just to make sure, there were six bolts that you pulled out, Right? You
mentioned about degreaser and I wondered about a thick coating of gunk maybe
hiding something.
Good luck,
Dan.
"61 SII 88 HT.

Scott Wilson wrote:

> Sorry to break up the fun... and I know I'm gonna be the only one
> on the list this weekend, so my email will get ignored as usual,
> but I having considerable problems getting my fuel pump off of my
> 73 SIII 88"
> In general, there is a lot of "farmer John" in this rover... and boy
> did he think he was clever... So my restoration so far has consisted
> of undoing most of his doing...
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 23 lines)]
> thanks.
> Scott

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From: Dan & Sally Cantwell <dcantwel@cgo.wave.ca>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:00:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Another question...

Hey again
  you could use almost any of the thinner types of cleaners such as varsol,
mineral spirits, paint thinner, of course -now don't try this one at home
kiddies- but gas, diesel, and kerosene would all do the trick equally as
well too.

Scott Wilson wrote:

> When you clean out your air filter, do you really use "clean fuel"
> meaning gasoline - like the manual says? any other methods for this...
> -Scott

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:08:18 +0100
Subject: RE: Sorry to talk about rover stuff, but...

>  Just to make sure, there were six bolts that you pulled out, Right? You
> mentioned about degreaser and I wondered about a thick coating of gunk maybe
> hiding something.

six? nope I remember four - maybe a couple were gone before I started?... 
there were two others that I could see through a 
thick layer of the blackest thickest layer of gunk I've ever seen... but those
were the two that hold the pump to the square metal block... the other four
held the square metal block to the engine... it that right? the other two that 
I found were acually on "nut side out" so that I'd have to have the square mount
off before I could get these undone... I loosened them, and when I did that, the
bolt moved with the nut... I felt around the entire mount, and there were only 
holes... no bolts... I'll double check, though before I get after it with some
(albeit mild) violence... 

Thanks for the help - and putting up with a newbie... as far as the cleaner,
I think I'll opt for the mineral spirits and leave the gasoline in the tank...
Although, I'm also replacing that this weekend....

-Scott

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From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 22:43:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Australian Shepherds

  Australian Shepherds (Aussies) are a real breed, bred for herding sheep
and cattle in the southwestern US. The sheep were know as "Australians"
hence the name. Sort of like a Border Collie but stockier and probably not
quite as intelligent. No tail. Known for running over the backs of sheep and
for nipping at the heels of cattle to get them to move. Come in a variety of
colors and have strange colored eyes.  My aussie (Satch) loves to lie in the
mud. The breed is sort of a canine Land-Rover (LR content).
        
             Ruthrfrd@borg.com
             '62 SerIIa swb "Gromit"

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From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:06:55 -0600
Subject: Re: Australian Shepherds

At 10:43 PM 31/07/98 -0400, Hank Rutherford, wrote

>hence the name. Sort of like a Border Collie but stockier and probably not
>quite as intelligent. No tail. Known for running over the backs of sheep and

I've only ever had Borders but I've watched a lot of Aussies and I think
that the well bred ones are every bit as intelligent as the always
exasperating BC.  We have two Borders and I simply can't keep them out of
the LR when I'm working on it.  Land Rovers and Border Collies are just such
a match of quirkiness, obstinacy, and obtuseness, that you'd think they came
from the same genetic pool.  The other odd thing about Borders is their
utter disinterest in any other kind of dog.  They ignore other breeds
entirely in a social setting -- except for Aussies which they accept as equals.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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From: "Piet Fourie : pah@saao.ac.za" <pah@da.saao.ac.za>
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:18:47 +0200 (GMT+0200)
Subject: RE: Noisy tappets on 2.25L petrol

I have s SI SWB with a 2.25L petrol engine.  The engine performs very 
well with only one small worry.  The tappets make quite a bit a racket.  
I have checked the clearance and that is ok.  Any suggestion what could 
be the problem.

Many thanks

Piet Fourie

P.A.H. Fourie   ( pah@saao.ac.za )
South African Astronomical Observatory.
P.O. Box 25 Sutherland 6920 South Africa.
Tel 023 5711135. Fax 023 5711413

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 06:50:49 EDT
Subject: Re: Australian Shepherds

In a message dated 01/08/98 03:46:03 BST, you write:

<< quite as intelligent. No tail. Known for running over the backs of sheep
and
 for nipping at the heels of cattle to get them to move. Come in a variety of
 colors and have strange colored eyes.  My aussie (Satch) loves to lie in the
 mud. The breed is sort of a canine Land-Rover (LR content).
    >>
you mean they leak all over the driveway ???

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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