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1 Peter Goundry [peterg@ai26No Land Rover content
2 nlamon1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs12Ale
3 asfco [asfco@banet.net> 13Re: New Roof rack F/S
4 nlamont@tiger.lsuiss.ocs13a "coiless Rifle"....?
5 "Jonathan Lee" [jonathan10Re: No Land Rover content (beer and cellar content though)
6 RoverNut@aol.com 22Re: Thirsty 90
7 RoverNut@aol.com 12Re:
8 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M16Re: a "coiless Rifle"....?
9 RoverNut@aol.com 31Re:Customs
10 RoverNut@aol.com 15Re: Volts wagon
11 JKwas61947@aol.com 18Re: No Land Rover content (beer and cellar content though)
12 Alan_Richer@motorcity2.l31Re: Fuel reading insanities:
13 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M21Re: coiless Rifle...
14 Jan Ben [ben@lucent.com>12Re: ...like making love in a canoe.
15 "Richard Marsden" [rmars30Re: ...like making love in a canoe.
16 "Ray Burton" [Ray_Burton33Re: Freelander and defenders to US
17 "Ray Burton" [Ray_Burton24Series IIa 109 SW pins at Greek Peak
18 Kathleen Hollington [kho30Fasteners and Aluminum rot
19 "Ray Burton" [Ray_Burton26LUCAS alternator
20 "BROWN DAVID E (DAVE)" [44Pulled my head off... ;-)
21 NADdMD@aol.com 18Re: Pulled my head off... ;-)
22 "M. Tompkins" [mmglass@i9Need Paint Code
23 "Yves" [yves.L@suisse.or73Re: Tweaking the 2.25 petrol ?(long and but not boring)
24 jules@learnlink.emory.ed27Re: Pulled my head off... ;-)
25 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o19Re[2]: Proper Ale Temperatures for Manuel...
26 IBEdwardp@aol.com 16Re: Zebra
27 Michael Fredette [mfrede24MOD Land Rover markings
28 Joel Baskin [joebas@symi17RE: Zebra
29 "Christopher H. Dow" [do14Re: ...like making love in a canoe.
30 "Clayton Kirkwood" [kirk37RE: Tweaking the 2.25 petrol ?(long and probably boring)
31 Frankelson@aol.com 19Re: a "coiless Rifle"....?
32 Frankelson@aol.com 29Re: coiless Rifle...
33 Frankelson@aol.com 32Re: LUCAS alternator
34 Frankelson@aol.com 29Re: Customs
35 "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" 18RE: No Land Rover content (beer and cellar content though)
36 POGoulceby@aol.com 15Re: ...like making love in a canoe.
37 Benjamin Smith [bens@psa25Re: MOD Land Rover markings
38 Bill Caloccia [caloccia@16Re: Help! What did I do?
39 CIrvin1258@aol.com 12Re: MOD Land Rover markings
40 "Eric Peachey" [peachey@21Land Rover sighting (movie)
41 "Richard Marsden" [rmars34Re: Land Rover sighting (movie)
42 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M19Re: coiless Rifle...


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From: Peter Goundry <peterg@aircast.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:02:12 -0400
Subject: No Land Rover content

other than really cold?
Are we being serious here?>

Yes Luis, most of the world does not know what beer drinking is about. 
Unfortunately you are stuck with the light, lager type beers which 
have no taste and are full of gas. The UK & Ireland are blessed with a 
bewildering variety of beers ranging from the lagers (Harp, Carling, 
etc.) to the Stouts & Porters (Guiness, Mackeson, Murphys, etc.) These 
unique beers are served at a variety of temperatures ranging from 
chilled to room temperature( bear in mind that room temperature is a 
little different in the temperate climes of the British Isles).

A general room of thumb is: the lighter the beer the colder it is 
served. This means that the full rich taste of the darker beers are 
not masked by the cold. Generally speaking, the temperature of most 
beers served is 'cellar temperature'. That is the constant temperature 
that an underground room maintains naturally.

Peter Goundry
67 GS109" IIA, 73 Lightweight, 97 D90 #127

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From: nlamon1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 07:26:27 -0500
Subject: Ale

When did ale become beer?

Ale is NOT beer.  It is LIKE beer, containing more alcohol and
undecomposed sugars.

Neil Lamont

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:37:42 -0400
Subject: Re: New Roof rack F/S

Chris Stevens wrote:
> how much?
> Price is $ 400 FIRM Delivered at Greek Peak otherwise you pay shipping to 
your destination

Rgds
Steve

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From: nlamont@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 07:39:34 -0500
Subject: a "coiless Rifle"....?

I've heard of a recoilless rifle, but never a "coilless" one.

There's a coiled (Damascus) barrel...but, a "coilless Rifle" I've never

hear of...?

Neil Lamont

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From: "Jonathan Lee" <jonathan_lee@hrcc.on.ca>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 98 08:39:24 EST
Subject: Re: No Land Rover content (beer and cellar content though)

     A realtive of mine from the UK is visiitng me in Canada.  We drop into 
     a local bar, and he orders a pint of fine Canadian microbrew 
     (Denisons, if you're ever in Toronto).  He tastes it, shakes his head 
     and sputters: "Boy, o boy, they have a really cold cellar here!"

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:55:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Thirsty 90

In a message dated 98-07-28 07:03:41 EDT, you write:

<< Had left oxygen sensor replaced, and timing checks out dead on. Air filter
is
 clean, 8.5mm spark plug wires are new, however, vehicle averages 9 -10 mpg.
 
 Any sugestions????
  >>

Don't drive a D90! 
BWAAAAhahahaha (come on, man, you ASKED for that one...)

Seriously, how bad is the MPG?
Also, might want to ask the coil-sprung list.

Alex Maiolo

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:58:10 EDT
Subject: Re:

In a message dated 98-07-28 07:03:41 EDT, you write:

<< Alex also does a lot of fishing. Which means he bates his own hook. He has
 been dooing it for so long he is now a Master Bater.  >>

 I'm gunnin' for ya, Williams...

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:05:33 +0000
Subject: Re: a "coiless Rifle"....?

>I've heard of a recoilless rifle, but never a "coilless" one.

Neil,I think if you look at the message header,it read,

Re:coilless rifle.

Quite clever,really:-)

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:12:51 EDT
Subject: Re:Customs

<<  Anyone have experience to the contrary -- or other travel/packaging
 suggestions for "awkward" sized, must have LR parts?  What experience have
 you had with US airport Customs Officers. 
  >>
 The best thing you can do is carry a roll of tape, because when you pass
through customs, the guards eyes are gonna light up and they're going to say,
"THANK you God, finally, someone to hassle!" You'll have to open, so be
prepared to re-seal.

I came back from the UK one time with a really cool wooden box that LR heads
get shipped in. I had it filled with weather stripping and other bits that are
expensive in the States. Unfortunately, this box was wooden and had rope
handles - imagine something grenades are usually shipped in, except for the
fact that it had LAND ROVER branded into it quite plainly. I had to open it
FOUR times: Train from Edinburgh, arrival at Paddington, boarding at Gatwick,
customs in Raleigh. Stupidly, at Gatwick I whispered, "don't worry, I'm
M15..." This went over as well as photocopied 50 dollar bill. 
For such a friendly country, the UK has some nasty security guards - I guess
for good reason. Either way, if any of you ever encounter the woman at the
American Airlines desk at Victoria, punch her with ALL of your might and say
"THAT'S for making Alex LATE, you stupid ogre!"
Blame it on me, it will be alright...I promise...

Alex Maiolo
Hillsborough NC

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:16:24 EDT
Subject: Re: Volts wagon

In a message dated 98-07-28 07:03:45 EDT, you write:

<< Driving along, eying the redlined temp guage with trepidation, I came to me
 in a flash.  Where to gas and water meet?  The instrument voltage
 stabilizer!  Eureka!  Problem solved.  
  >>
 Best 8 bucks I ever spent! I couldn't understand why my "empty" gas tank
would only take 5 bucks worth of gas! Same problem...
Alex Maiolo

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From: JKwas61947@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:21:16 EDT
Subject: Re: No Land Rover content (beer and cellar content though)

     Speaking of Canadian beer,  when I was in college in Albany NY,  I used
to take an afternoon and drive to Canada ( 250 miles ) to get a couple of
cases of Brador.  Only problem was that my friends would have it half gone by
the time we got back to Albany.  The proper beer temp for a road trip like
that is however cold the beer will get when it's strapped to the roof at
70mph....
     Any Canadians that would like to help out an American with some good
beer, I'll be at Greek Peak with cash.  I'll be the one in the blue Rover with
the tire on the Bonnet.
     
John Kwasnik
Sherburne NY

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:24:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Fuel reading insanities:

The British do know how to build 'em.....

My wife's newly acquired Austin-Healey barfed its petrol gauge the day
after I got it on the road.
After determining it was, indeed, the sender, I yanked the tank (again) and
removed the offending item.

1. The gasket for a Rover sender fits.

2. The sender was dead, dead, dead.

3. The cause of this malfunction was a broken wire on the resistance
winding - thankfully at one end.

The fix for this one was interesting - I slid 2 windings off the coil with
a pair of forceps and connected the end of this wire to the contact on the
12-volt side. Resistance then restored, I silver-soldered the connection
with a Micronox torch (lovely toy.....).

Slapped it all back together and all is well.

Moral: Lucas bits may be odd, but they can be repaired (try the previous
trick with the fuel sender on your Mazda!).

          aj"Never could have done it sober....."r

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:06:10 +0000
Subject: Re: coiless Rifle...

ah well, despite my recent postings about our differences one thing seems to
be fairly standard throughout the world. 'they' want to screw us all, make us
wear grey suits and sit at home in front of the 'box' and not think....
another good reason for owning a Land Rover. Own one of those suckers and
>we're sort of forced into thinking all the time.........

It was,I believe,the late Leslie Charteris who said:

"The meek shall inherit the earth.But only after the strong have finished
with it".

But like you Frank,I'm beginning to wonder.......

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Jan Ben <ben@lucent.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:57:02 -0400
Subject: Re: ...like making love in a canoe.

When I was in Edinburgh earlier this year, I stopped  by a bar close to
the University.
I ordered a pint of local brew, but then I noticed that 3/4 of the kids
had bottles of Bud infront of them.
Go figger..
Jan

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From: "Richard Marsden" <rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:57:26 +0100
Subject: Re: ...like making love in a canoe.

They think its hip and trendy, and don't know any better.
Edinburgh must be behind the times, the real sophisticated people who are
unfortunate to be lager drinkers
have switched to Czech Budvar.  (did they ever win that court case against
Budweiser??)

Also, UK Budweiser is actually notably stronger than the US variant.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

Jan Ben <ben@lucent.com> on 07/28/98 03:57:02 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: ...like making love in a canoe.

When I was in Edinburgh earlier this year, I stopped  by a bar close to
the University.
I ordered a pint of local brew, but then I noticed that 3/4 of the kids
had bottles of Bud infront of them.
Go figger..
Jan

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From: "Ray Burton" <Ray_Burton@usairways.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:11:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Freelander and defenders to US

Nate,

Your understanding of the failures of unibody construction is valid, but
many out on the list are stubborn in their support, especially the guy who
favors a M-151 over LRs, but is still on the list.

Ray

                                                                 

In a message dated 7/19/98 11:37:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
CIrvin1258@aol.com writes:

<< Chevy trucks are bolted together! They don't cost a whole lot.
 Ford trucks are bolted together, as are Chrysler trucks!
  >>

My understanding of why heavy work trucks are still body on chassis design
is
that the unibody just does not hold up well to the stresses applied to the
sheetmetal joints and suffers failure much sooner than the standard body on
chassis design.  I am no engineer--ask my wife :o) but I do not understand
why
most of the assembly of a defender couldn't be relatively automated with
relatively minor changes to the way the sheetmetal is placed on the truck.

Nate

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From: "Ray Burton" <Ray_Burton@usairways.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:20:09 -0400
Subject: Series IIa 109 SW pins at Greek Peak
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For anyone interested:

I have obtained a small number of Land Rover Series IIa 109 Station Wagon
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=E9 pins and zipper pulls from Wm. Spear Designs and will be bringing
them to Greek Peak.  They are available in Red, Blue, Green and White.
These pins are by far the best pins, I've seen anywhere.

Regards,
Ray Burton
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From: Kathleen Hollington <kholling@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:57:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fasteners and Aluminum rot

Hi,
I'm currently repairing aluminum rot to the tub of my SIIA and am 
wondering what the best approach would be to prevent similar rot
from occuring.
1. The first area was under the transverse supporting members
running across under the floor of the tub.  The original ones were
rotten and had also rotted holes in the floor (which I patched with
1/16" aluminum, secured with aluminum rivets.  I have replacement 
supports, galvanized steel.  What should I put between them and the
tub aluminum to prevent a repeat of the floor rot?
2. The angle piece at the lower back portion of the tub was quite
corrored, where it attaches to the vertical mounts on the frame.
I suppose that plastic or rubber spacers between the aluminum
patches (which I will install to repair the holes) and the frame
should prevent reoccurence.
3. What about general fasteners, when a steel nut and bolt are used to
secure an aluminum piece (such as the tub) to a steel one (frame)?
Any ways to prevent corrosion from taking place at those connection
points?
Thanks,
	--Robert
-- 
Robert St-Louis -- OTTAWA/CANADA -- '68 IIA SWB LR -- 
  kholling@nrn1.nrcan.gc.ca.NOSPAM (remove NOSPAM when replying)

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From: "Ray Burton" <Ray_Burton@usairways.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:51:50 -0400
Subject: LUCAS alternator

I just pulled my LUCAS alternator from my grey market '84 Range Rover to be
bench tested, but I don't know the rated output or other specs and suspect
that the shop will not have specs either.

On the alternator is a plate with the follow numbers:
24155A
A133-65
338312V1

Does anyone knows which of these is the part number and what the ouput
specs for it is?

Thanks

Cheers,

Ray Burton
'64 109 SW
'70 88
'84 RR

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From: "BROWN DAVID E (DAVE)" <debrown@srp.gov>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:28:49 -0700
Subject: Pulled my head off... ;-)

Hello fellow LR lovers, I just wanted to let y'all know the latest on my
IIa.  As you probably forgot, I was having a problem passing the
emissions on my '71 IIa 88 2.25 petrol, and had a sucking of the exhaust
pipe when you put your hand of a piece of paper over it.  Vacuum gauge
confirmed a bad valve (after replacing the entire ignition system!) so
off went the head.  Sure enough, one exhaust valve was "sucked in" -
meaning that the valve seat was worn out. (Dang unleaded gas!)  

While I was at it, I decided to pull the front cover off because it
never had good power, but had decent compression.  Also, got about 10mpg
fuel economy. After studying the workshop manual, I discovered that the
timing gear is off.  By around 15-20 degrees!  (Counter-clockwise. Er...
I mean Anti-clockwise). This is with the #1 cylinder at TDC.  

I'll be putting the timing chain and gears correctly this weekend, and
with any luck, replace the head the next weekend.  Oh yeah, one push rod
has a bit of a point to it at the bottom end, and should be replaced,
but even after looking at all the "brass?" lifter (follower) parts where
it connects, I can't see any wear to any of them. (Stupid me, removed
all the push rods without noting which ones came from which valves!)
Sigh! How can I find which brass (?) lifter parts are bad? Magnifying
glass??? Anyone have any great ideas??? What would be likely to happen
if I didn't replace the brass part in the lifter? 

Oh yeah! I also wanted to thank you all for your collective wisdom!  I
couldn't get the starting dog nut off the front of the crank, and
remembered the tip of using a HUGE wrench and the starter motor to
"whack" it loose.  About 5 trys and it was off!  Also, a great thanks to
all who responded with things to check for WRT it's problems.

Funny observation (at least it was for me): The 1 and 4 cylinders are
completely in synch with each other (both TDC at same time) as are the 2
& 3 cylinders, but exactly opposite.  Maybe all 4 cyl's are like this,
and I just never noticed... ???

Well, wasted enough of your time, Thanks for the ear.
Dave Brown
 

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:38:38 EDT
Subject: Re: Pulled my head off... ;-)

In a message dated 7/28/98 4:32:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, debrown@srp.gov
writes:

<<  How can I find which brass (?) lifter parts are bad? Magnifying
 glass??? Anyone have any great ideas??? What would be likely to happen
 if I didn't replace the brass part in the lifter?  >>

Look at the under side of the tappet slide, where it contacts the roller.
That is where the wear will show up.  If you see brass on that surface,
replace the whole assembly for that valve.

Nate

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From: "M. Tompkins" <mmglass@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:20:18 -0400
Subject: Need Paint Code

I need the paint code for Arles Blue. Anyone?

TIA - Mike

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From: "Yves" <yves.L@suisse.org>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 23:08:22 +0200
Subject: Re: Tweaking the 2.25 petrol ?(long and but not boring)

That was an excellent explenation by Braman. I understand that mayor
improvements are only possible in mid- and highrange without too much
effort.

>>any ideas for tweaking the 2.25 without loosing in simplicity and
>>reliability?

>Manifold
>In general, longer intake runners boost low end torque at the expense of
>high speed torque. The stock intake has fairly average runners,

Automutives runners seem to be longer, at least less restrictive!

>Cam
>In terms of valve timing, the simple version is that low durations and low
>overlaps aid low end performance, while high overlaps and durations boost
>the high end. The 2.25 cam is very low duration. Thus it pulls like a
>tractor at low speed but runs out of breath quickly.

I have to put in the genuine camshaft again!

>exhaust
>A free flowing exhaust system with headers can help a lot. The length of
>the headers is not nearly as critical as the length of the intake runners,
>and the headers available for the 2.25 are long enough to begin with.
>tractor at low speed but runs out of breath quickly.

...Automotives peformance silencer, or another big bore?
Who supplies "headers" I had in fact 2 cracked outlet manifolds till now.

>Compression Ratio
>Raising the compression ratio will increase the torque across the entire
>rev range.

I prefer to stay with Turners 8:1 head due to the poor fuel quality in North
Africa.

>. LRs are so low geared that the
>loss in low end torque is probably not noticed

Well, if you're driving throug deep, soft sand then it might. I remember my
last trip in Tunesia. 2nd low was OK, but 2nd plus od often was allready too
long and I either had to go too fast or got stuck in the sand.

Probably Automotives kit keeping the genuine cam is what I need.
But I don' like the K&N airfilter because I probably would have to clean it
every day in the desert. Now I am using the std 2.5 Filter with a
Centrifugal MAN prefilter. You just have to poor out its sedimentation bowl
to clean the filter.

>P.S. I forgeot to mention - if you can't go FI, at least use an SU carb.
I heared a lot of good things about them. Where are the best sourced in UK
and what will they cost?

My Zenith seems to be tired a little bit, so it might be a good idea to
change it. It is difficult to adjust for MOT. But still good for about 18-19
mpg (UK), with the 109. I normaly go quickly, 110 kmh on highways with od.

Does it make sense to use SUs with the standard inlet manifold?
Automotiv offers a  13/4" SU HS or HIF together with longer runners.

Chiao,

Yves
62 109" 4 door Canvas
yves.l@suisse.org
www@sahara-info.ch

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From: jules@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:36:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Pulled my head off... ;-)

lro@playground.sun.com writes:
>Hello fellow LR lovers, I just wanted to let y'all know the latest on my
>IIa.  As you probably forgot, I was having a problem passing the
>emissions on my '71 IIa 88 2.25 petrol, and had a sucking of the exhaust
>pipe when you put your hand of a piece of paper over it.  Vacuum gauge
>confirmed a bad valve (after replacing the entire ignition system!) so
>off went the head.  Sure enough, one exhaust valve was "sucked in" -
>meaning that the valve seat was worn out. (Dang unleaded gas!)  

Dave,
	Share some of that wisdom, by all means.  I had a slight knock in my
engine and it started getting MUCH worse, so I'm pulling the head on my
2.25 as well.  I've been trying to figure out how much I want to do while
I have it apart.  I'd like to convert over to higher compression while I'm
at it, since I believe that I have a 7:1 compression setup.  Anyone know
whether you needs pistons and head to do this?  Can a low compression head
be machined to 8:1 spec?

Sean P. Murphy
Project Director, LearnLink
Emory University

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 98 12:04:03 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Proper Ale Temperatures for Manuel...

>Thanks Alan, I"ll have it in mind.
>But, God, I can't even imagine a beer comercial showing warm beer.
>I dont know if I'm right but this has caused a cultural shock on me.

Well, if you experienced the weather here than you would understand why cold 
beer isn't always appealing. This would be even more true up where Alan and 
Churchill reside...

Guinness roasting over and open fire, Jack Frost nipping at your nose...or was 
that Jack Daniels, oy....

DaveB
Not a JD drinker but it fit.

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From: IBEdwardp@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:06:42 EDT
Subject: Re: Zebra

In a message dated 98-07-27 17:18:48 EDT, you write:

<< the d90 LR Cary had an after market Zebra decal kit on it, but they
couldn't
 sell it.  >>
Where does one get an after market Zebra decal kit?  Anyone?

Ed Bailey
66 S2a 88
Somewhere in East Tennessee

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From: Michael Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:35:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: MOD Land Rover markings

   A couple quick questions for the group. On many pictures of
MOD Rovers, I see a flat yellow plate about 10" in diam attached
to the front. Whatzit fer? Where can I get one? My 101 doesn't 
have one, like to find one, though I spose I could chop up a pie
tin and paint it yellow. Anyone know what these are, convoy stuff
or what?
   Second, the 101 had some unit markings on the front and back 
in small stencil reading, LOND/72. Now I see that on page 19 of the
latest 1998 Rovers North catalog there are two 109's with the stencil
reading, LOND/73. Anyone in the UK know what unit this is? My 101's
service history lists it as having served with the Grenedier Guards,
the Welsh Guards, Scots Guards, and Irish Guards. Do any of these
jive with the unit stencils above. Also in that same picture of the 
109's, you can see the above mentioned yellow plates attached to the
front grills. Thanks for any help.

Rgds
Mike

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From: Joel Baskin <joebas@symix.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:47:16 -0400
Subject: RE: Zebra

Hi there,

One way to put on zebra stripes, or any custom coloring, is to use vinyl.
Sign shops (for outdoors) will be able to help you out, and may already be
doing custom car work.

In regard to laying down the base color, do you go to a typical auto
painter, even though the parts are aluminum?

Joel Baskin
SWB IIa

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From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:09:39 -0700
Subject: Re: ...like making love in a canoe.

Frankelson@aol.com wrote:
8<> For once and for all.. if you are hot and thirsty, drink an ice-cold
> Coke or Dr Pepper (or even water..... no, well maybe not)
                             ^^^^^

"Nasty stuff.  Fish f*ck in it".

-W.C. Fields

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From: "Clayton Kirkwood" <kirkwood@garlic.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 16:25:09 -0700
Subject: RE: Tweaking the 2.25 petrol ?(long and probably boring)

Although I don't pretend to understand all of what you say, *I* found the
discussion quite interesting and not at all boring. The only way to
understand this stuff is to listen to the point of understanding the
concepts and asking questions. Please keep it public!! Others, (and I), have
a cool delete key for subjects that *are* boring. I use mine often :>))))

Thanks,

Clayton

> This is an over-simplification for some and incredibly boring for
> others, I
> am sure, but please feel free to ask me about specifics. Engine tuning is
> one of my favorite subjects.

> cheers,
> Braman
> 1966 88" 2.25 - soon to be resurrected(and fuel injected and supercharged)
> one of my favorite subjects.

> P.S. I forgeot to mention - if you can't go FI, at least use an SU carb.
> The simplicity, easy tuning and maintenance, and throttle response makes
> this the only choice for a performance carb, IMO. It would boost the low
> end throttle response over any carb I can think of.

> >RPM/torque (LB.FT)
> >RPM            1500    2000    2500    3500    4000
> >2.25 Std.     108      120      110       90        80
> >tuned            100      116     122       138      129

> >RPM/torque (LB.FT)

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:25:20 EDT
Subject: Re: a "coiless Rifle"....?

In a message dated 28/07/98 13:42:26 BST, you write:

 I've heard of a recoilless rifle, but never a "coilless" one.
 
 There's a coiled (Damascus) barrel...but, a "coilless Rifle" I've never
 
 hear of...?
  >>
I just KNEW there'd be one who couldn't see it...............

re:coilling in horror.

re: creational vehicles........

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:25:27 EDT
Subject: Re: coiless Rifle...

In a message dated 28/07/98 15:11:33 BST, you write:

 It was,I believe,the late Leslie Charteris who said:
 
 "The meek shall inherit the earth.But only after the strong have finished
 with it". >>

Mike,
you a 'Saint' fan as well?? I got some first editions.....

anyhow it was D. Brian Plummer who wrote: 'Perhaps the meek shall inherit the
earth........ but I fear there will be a devil of a lot of broken heads when
they try to claim their inheritance.'

but, like you, I begin to wonder......

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:25:28 EDT
Subject: Re: LUCAS alternator

In a message dated 28/07/98 18:53:33 BST, you write:

 On the alternator is a plate with the follow numbers:
 24155A
 A133-65
 338312V1
  >>
Ray,
from the Lucas catalogue (don't worry, I keep it chained up and apart from
other catalogues/ manuals etc) it looks like we might be losing something in
the translation (again).

For Range Rover 1984 with air con I've got Lucas Part #: LRA 406 - that's 65
amp integral reg and right hand fix.

For same model year without air con I've got Pt '# LRA 407 - all same except
left hand fix.
 no mention of yr three lines though......

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:25:24 EDT
Subject: Re: Customs

In a message dated 28/07/98 14:14:56 BST, you write:

<< M15..." This went over as well as photocopied 50 dollar bill. 
 For such a friendly country, the UK has some nasty security guards - I guess
 for good reason. Either way, if any of you ever encounter the woman at the
 American Airlines desk at Victoria, punch her with ALL of your might and say
 "THAT'S for making Alex LATE, you stupid ogre!"
 B >>

You noticed, Alex, we train them well.

However, en route to Morocco one time I slung my hand luggage through the
viewer at Manchester Airport and a voice t'other side said: 'hey, a Land Rover
fuel pump', now that geezer knows his Land Rover bits, recognising it in xray
form.......

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:38:54 -0500
Subject: RE: No Land Rover content (beer and cellar content though)

>     A realtive of mine from the UK is visiitng me in Canada.  We drop into
>     a local bar, and he orders a pint of fine Canadian microbrew
>     (Denisons, if you're ever in Toronto).  He tastes it, shakes his head
>     and sputters: "Boy, o boy, they have a really cold cellar here!"

We dont even have cellars here. Too damn wet.

Lic. LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ CHACON
Jose Cartellone Construcciones Civiles S.A.
E-mail: lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
Tel: (506) 296 2743
Fax: (506) 296 2744

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From: POGoulceby@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 19:44:49 EDT
Subject: Re: ...like making love in a canoe.

In a message dated 7/28/98 2:53:33 PM GMT, ben@lucent.com (Jan Ben) wrote:

<< 3/4 of the kids had bottles of Bud infront of them >>

With which they probably toyed for an hour or two........  

Meanwhile, what were the grown-up's 'n 4wd whalla's drinking???

Dan

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:46:49 -0500
Subject: Re: MOD Land Rover markings 

In message <bulk.18977.19980728153514@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:

>    A couple quick questions for the group. On many pictures of
> MOD Rovers, I see a flat yellow plate about 10" in diam attached
> to the front. Whatzit fer? Where can I get one? 

	It tells how many tons your 101 weighs including a full payload.  
This is so that a PFC can sit at a bridge, know that only vehicles less than 
less than, say 5 tons, are safe on the bridge, and can easily differentiate 
between the vehicles to let pass and the one to stop.  I can't recall the 
official name of the plate off the top of my head.

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: Bill Caloccia <caloccia@senie.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:36:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Help! What did I do?

Hi Joel,
	It appears that some user disappeared from Texas Instruments and the
mail gateway there is configured in such a way as to cause the most damage
possible - making loops with mailing lists.

	I've stopped the list for now and am writing filters to drop the 
bouncing messages before restarting it.

	Cheers,
	-B

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 01:47:40 EDT
Subject: Re: MOD Land Rover markings

it's called a "weight disk". Most NATO countries use them.

They're also handy for figuring the weight/balance of, say, a C-5. (as well as
its smaller brothers)

Charles

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From: "Eric Peachey" <peachey@es.co.nz>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:59:36 +1200
Subject: Land Rover sighting (movie)

Hello,

Don't think anybody on the list has mentioned this, but the movie 'Welcome
to Sarajevo' is chock full of landies: Defender 90s, 110s, Series III LWB,
Discoveries and quite probably a Range Rover or two. Has a classic scene
highlighting the build quality of the Solihull product when one of the
characters has difficulty slamming the door and curses "F**k this f**king
door!" or words to that effect.

The movie contains graphic scenes of the carnage of war but I suppose those
that are used to CNN would find it quite run of the mill stuff.

Eric Peachey
Dunedin, New Zealand
1979 SIII LWB HT with Nissan LD28

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From: "Richard Marsden" <rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:41:16 +0100
Subject: Re: Land Rover sighting (movie)

Well, my truck is currently running with some Bosnia-surplus (via the
British Army) FFR parts...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

"Eric Peachey" <peachey@es.co.nz> on 07/29/98 09:59:36 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Land Rover sighting (movie)

Hello,

Don't think anybody on the list has mentioned this, but the movie 'Welcome
to Sarajevo' is chock full of landies: Defender 90s, 110s, Series III LWB,
Discoveries and quite probably a Range Rover or two. Has a classic scene
highlighting the build quality of the Solihull product when one of the
characters has difficulty slamming the door and curses "F**k this f**king
door!" or words to that effect.

The movie contains graphic scenes of the carnage of war but I suppose those
that are used to CNN would find it quite run of the mill stuff.

Eric Peachey
Dunedin, New Zealand
1979 SIII LWB HT with Nissan LD28

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:36:48 +0000
Subject: Re: coiless Rifle...

>you a 'Saint' fan as well?? I got some first editions.....

Read them all at one time,but I havent a clue where they all went.
I always thought his use of the English language was superb.
I can just remember a line of his,commenting on so-called "Captains
of Industry" being made Knights of the Realm,Simon Templar being
in a poetry writing mood......

"And shall I take this coistrel to be a knight of mine?"

Still fits,when you think about it.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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