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From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 09:12:35 -0500
Subject: Zebra Stripes

Ah. Zebra stripes. The student outing club at the University of Iceland has

tropical roof! It was a little bit of a shock to see this beastie sitting
in front of the student center in Reykjavik in May of 97, the last time I
was there. Does anyone have an update on that machine? Some of our
listmembers are in that most roverly part of the world, and at least one is
a student at that university. Oley? Adrian? Anybody know more? I have a
digital photo of it if anyone is interested.

    _____
___(_____)            Bell Atlantic called to check customer
|Baby the\            satisfaction with their repair service.
|1969 Land\_===__     Service was fine, but the customer
   ___Rover   ___|o   satisfaction survey was a pain in the
|_/ . \______/ .  ||  butt. Now I am a dissatisfied customer.
 __\_/________\_/________________________________________________
Ned Heite, Camden, DE  http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html

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From: "LT S. ROCHNA" <rochnas@stennis.navy.mil>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:05:23 +0000
Subject: Swivel pits

What do you think about pulling back the seal and putting a touch of 
weld at the major pits (mine has few) and filing / polishing to 
smooth?  Seems like it could be done in-place at small cost.

Steve

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 10:14:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Swivel pits

LT S. ROCHNA wrote:
> What do you think about pulling back the seal and putting a touch of
> weld at the major pits (mine has few) and filing / polishing to
> smooth?  Seems like it could be done in-place at small cost.
> This is what I did on mine and it has worked for over a year without any 
leaks.  I did remove the swivel balls and would highly recommend you do the 
same, cleaned them well, then ( while the wife was out) warmed them well in the 
oven a couple 

hours then while still warm,filled the pitts with JB weld and cured it in the 
oven on Low ( wife still out) after a couple days I then smoothed it with a 
fine file and with very fine sandpaper.
     I then used POR 15 and holding the ball upside down applied the
paint to the narrow part of the ball and basically let the stuff run
down the sides,if you have to end up brushing it dont worry as the por
is self-leveling, then I hung it up to dry for 2 days and that was it.
very smooth and hard finish.
  Points to remember...make sure the surface is very clean, use a rubber
spatula and put the JB weld on thin and as even as you can get it, this
stuff is almost impossible to file if it is thick. (Just cover the
pitts) 
reinstall and put on a pair of gaiters, FWIW I think next time I would
use the rubber ones from PA Blanchard.
Hope this helps
Rgds
Steve Bradke  72 Series lll 88 ( SOLD )
              68 series lla
              96 Discovery

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From: nlamon1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 09:22:41 -0500
Subject: John's a "Navel Inspector"....Wow!ob!

When did the status of navel inspector get elevated from an avocation to
a vocation?

As for engine speed and rate of engine wear, a reciprocating engine
operates at peak efficiency at around 80% throttle.  Efficiency is
efficiency.

Regards,

Neil Lamont

...a navel inspector....man, I gotta check in on that.....

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 10:26:16 -0400
Subject: more on Pitts

first part of my message was truncated by the major...
Here it is again
This is what I did... DONT try doing this in place.T ake them off. You
will need to clean them VERY well next place them in the oven on low
(while the wife is out) for a couple hours to get them good and warm.
Next using  JB Weld and a rubber spatula cover the pitts with a THIN and
EVEN coat. dont put it on too thick or you will never be able to file it
down. next return it to the oven and cure them on low a couple more
hours. let them sit 2 days then using a fine file and sandpaper smooth
the JB Weld  Be careful with this step take your time to get the contour
correct then use the POR 15 as in the first message
Good Luck
Rgds
Steve Bradke  72 Series lll 88 (SOLD)
              68 Series lla 88
              96 Discovery

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From: Jett.Hogger@prodigy.com (MR JOHN M ROSSI)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 10:32:38, -0500
Subject: Austin Gipsy manual & LR Manual

Hello All.  I have two Land Rover Haynes manuals.  Series II, IIA and 
III 1958 thru 1978.  140 Cu In or 2.3 liter. 4 cylinder gas.  88 and 
108 wheelbase. These Workshop Manuals are new and out of print.  Also 
have one Haynes Austin
Marina 1971 thru 1975.  New and out of print.  Each manual $25 
shipped
John Rossi  Flintstone,  Ga.  706-820-1771

____
John  Rossi

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From: "Peter Hope" <shdwrvr@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 10:50:01 -0400
Subject: Rovers in HI (Thats Hawaii if yer' not up on yer' geography lessons)

Hello, an unforseen gremlin has gotten ahold of my hard drive and seems to
have pinched all of my data.  I had to fdisk and rebuild and lost all of my
saved mail.  Could the person I have been corrosponding with from Honolulu
kindly drop a line.
Thanks greatly
Pete Hope

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 11:48:41 EDT
Subject: Cross Pond Critique

On Sat, 25 Jul 1998, Frankelson@aol.com wrote (about us Yanks):

1.  "you eat with the fork in the wrong hand"

We eat with the right hand.  Everybody knows what the left hand is used for.
This is why the punishment for a thief is to cut off his right hand.

2.  "you drive on the wrong side of the road"

We drive on the right (and correct) side of the road.  Even in my RHD Land
Rover, I still drive on the right side.  Remember Mark Twain's advice:
"Always do the right thing, this will gratify some and astound the rest."

3.  "you drink cold beer"

We, like our Australian mates, are civilized.  And, our refrigerators are
not made by Lucas.

4.  "Thank goodness some of you have the sense to drive Land Rovers."

We are not perfect.

5.  "Now all you have to do is stop selling us 'Cybil'"

Profound apologies.  I did not know your Lucas televisions had no OFF
switch.  Can't you just pull the power plug out of the wall?  Don't you have
valves to adlust, or carbs to overhaul, or something else to do?

Paul

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 12:16:02 EDT
Subject: Re: Cross Pond Critique

I personally have a problem with this one, since I'm left-handed.

I also happen to like Cybil - loved her "dominatrix" Mercedes commercial!

Charles

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From: steve margolis <margolis@computelnet.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 14:38:31 -0400
Subject: It's been a long time...

since I've had a chance to write to the list. I have been working away
from home for almost two years now.  On my too infrequent weekends at
home, I've downloaded the hundreds of messages that have piled up on the
server and tried to keep up. There are lots of new names, but some old
familiar ones, too. I finally broke down and got a computer for my home
away from home, and will be reading your messages more regularly, now.

I remember having seen something months ago about the ANARC North
American International Association of  Land Rover 50th Anniversary
Celebration at Greek Peak, but had lost track of the dates. It wasn't
until last weekend, that I realized it was happening next weekend.  I've
already got my non-refundable tickets to fly home the following weekend,
so I won't be seeing any of you there. This is especially painful to me
since I live in Ithaca, about half an hour from Cortland.

But, maybe I can help someone out who will be there.  Several years ago,
I picked up a complete front axle assembly from another LR owner in
Ithaca (via a posting on this list). I thought I was going to use the
differential for my 107 station wagon.  It turned out I didn't need it
after all, and the complete axle is sitting in its shipping case in the
barn of a house near Ithaca that we have just put on the market. I think
the swivels are bad. If someone who will be attending the Greek Peak
bash wants it and can take it away, it's free. By the way, the floor of
the barn is cement, so it doesn't have to be dug out of the mud. If it
doesn't go away, I'll just have to put it in the carcass of the Peugeot
turbo diesel that was rear ended 5 or 6 years ago, and have it hauled
away.. (I had been hoping to find either another Peugeot or a Series LR
to drop that engine into, but it has to go too.)

Steve Margolis

1957 model 107 station wagon, still in kit form in Maine (damn)

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From: JKwas61947@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:16:17 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Wind Bags

    Cars is the US do have a provision for disabling the airbag, but the car's
driver must provide a statement saying that stature or medical necessity
require the driver to sit closer that 12 inches from the steering wheel.
This statement must also be signed by a judge or by God or somebody before the
work can be done

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 17:33:51 EDT
Subject: Re: Swivel pits

In a message dated 7/26/98 10:16:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, asfco@banet.net
writes:

<< This is what I did on mine and it has worked for over a year without any
leaks >>

Steve,

Thanks for this great tip!  I have 3 sets of pitted swivels of various
degrees.  I think I'll try your technique on a couple of sets and see what I
get.

Nate

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From: "Richard Clarke"<Richard.Clarke@nre.vic.gov.au>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:47:52 +1000
Subject: what kind of dog?

From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:25:32 -0500

The problem I have with dogs is that I cant get them into a car. The last
two I have had would prefer to get hit by one rather than coming into it.
 a sweet Belgian Shepard and a paranoic Australian Shepard)

I'm Australian but I've never heard of an 'Australian Shepard'?  - What is
it ?

Mine are Boxers - series one types - no seat belts - that's why they have
flattenned noses

or are the fwd control models?

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:27:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Swivel pits

NADdMD@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 7/26/98 10:16:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, asfco@banet.net
> writes:
> << This is what I did on mine and it has worked for over a year without any
> leaks >>
> Steve,

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)]
> Nate
>  Awhile back someone else made a similar posting using the same method  of 
repair..and also reported good results.  I added the POR 15 for extra 
durability. I think that taking your time in ensuring a smooth surface and good 
contour is key to 
getting good results.
See you at Greek Peak
Rgds
Steve Bradke   68 lla 88
               96 Discovery

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From: "bill.di" <bill.di@mci2000.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 18:18:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Throwing Out The Throwout Bearing

Anyone ever replaced the clutch throwout bearing without complete removal of 
the engine/transmission?  Any ideas on what might be the simplest way of doing 
this, without including a complete overhaul of the clutch assembly?  Or is 
there not that 
much difference in the amount of physical work for an overhaul vs. only the 
bearing replacement.  I realize that complete transmission removal entails a 
lift up through the front seating area.

The vehicle is a Series IIA 109" chassis with a 2.25 ltr engine and a Series 
III transmission.   We're hearing some squealing each time the clutch pedal is 
depressed and, from experience on other types of vehicles, I'm confident it's 
that bearing.

Thanks in the Future Tense!

Bill in Albuquerque

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From: "Peter M. Kaskan" <pmk11@cornell.edu>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 20:34:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fixing Al Corrosion

(I may have written this already - but I don't remember
getting it back from the list -  and since someone else just
asked... sorry if you've heard it before.)

1.  Sandblast the corrosion (from both sides) into oblivion (gently on low
pressure! Maybe
      I'll splurge for some plastic abrasive.)

2.  Use Al filled epoxy-putty to 'glue' some plastic netting on the
underside of the
      corrosion

3.  Once that has dried I'll use the same epox-putty to cover up the
corrosion-caused
     holes from the front.

4.  Sand flush - primer - paint

(Let me know if any of you want to know where I got the
materials and sandblaster)

See you at the Peak! - Peter

Peter M. Kaskan				Uris Hall 231
Office / 607-255-3382			Dept. Of Psychology
Lab /  607-255-6396			Cornell University
e-mail / pmk11@cornell.edu
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/graduates/people/PeterM.Kaskan.htm
http://comp9.psych.cornell.edu/psychology/finlay/finlaylab.html

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 20:41:16 EDT
Subject: Re: Throwing Out The Throwout Bearing

In a message dated 7/26/98 8:25:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bill.di@mci2000.com writes:

<< Anyone ever replaced the clutch throwout bearing without complete removal
of the engine/transmission?  Any ideas on what might be the simplest way of
doing this, without including a complete overhaul of the clutch assembly?   >>

Hi Bill,

Looking at the setup, you will have to at least move the transmission back  6
- 8 inches in order to get the IIa clutch withdrawl mechanism out.  Even
before that you will have to remove the sleeve which attaches to the clutch
withdrawal cross shaft.  This can be difficult because the pins in the sleeve
are frequently sheared off and it takes some finesse, luck and occasionally
brute force to get them out.  Be careful of the primary pinion in there, the
IIa version is getting difficult to find if a replacement is needed.
Personally, I think it would still be easier to remove the transmission.  

That said, the throwout bearing on the IIa is a big, caged ball bearing which
I would be surprised if it went bad unless the gearbox was run dry and it was
overheated, but then other bearings in the gearbox would be shot too.  I would
suspect a worn sleeve may be a more likely culprit.

Good Luck

 Nate

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:16:07 EDT
Subject: scotland

Whatever you do, don't miss Edinburgh. Glassgow tends to be a town that is
more fun when you have locals who know the deal.
Edinburgh, on the other hand, is easy to figure out and a hell of alot of fun.
>From there head North to the Loch Tay area. It gives you a good idea of what
the Highlands are like, but you don't have to drive as far North (if you have
time GO North, but it's fairly slow going around there and you may run out of
days). I recommend going to the Edradour distillery in Pitlochery. It's the
smallest malt house in the world and it's really charming. Buy your bottles in
the airport's duty free (except special/rare maltings)  where it's cheaper,
but don't expect to find it anywhere Stateside.
In fact go there first, head South and near Stirling start your scenic loop
around Loch Tay. Early in the loop, before it gets exhaustingly beautiful,
you'll se a Land Rover garage. Not much to see here, but ask the fella for
directions to the big LR repair place down the road. Basically, when you get
near the end of the drive, you can turn left to head back towards Stirling, or
to your immediate right, barely out of vision is LAND ROVER MECCA!
The front looks like a gas station with a couple of 110s out front. The back
is an amazing, heavenly workshop full of our beloved beasts. Ask for a guy
named John. He's a soft-spoken guy who comes off as shy, but is super
friendly. Out back they have a ton of old Series trucks just rotting away. I
bought a tailgate there for ten quid and also picked up a soft top, new window
channels, and weather stripping that was half the US price even when you
factored in what it cost me to mail it home. The license plate on the front of
my LR came out of the mud pit in that very junk yard. Not to be missed: when
you go in to the gas station part to get drinks and fuel before you hit the
road, look for a whole section of LR stuff. James Taylor's books, toys,
histories, etc. It's like seeing all this amazing stuff at your local Amoco.
A last note. It would be a real drag to drive a slow,ill-handling, gas-
guzzling LR through the hilliest part of the UK. Spare the romance and get a
Fiat Punto. They are $100US per week and get great gas milage in a country
where fuel is $4 a gallon. With the money you save on rental and petrol you
can buy a ton of LR crap and send it home.
Good luck, safe travel and feel free to email me if I can be of any further
help.

Alex Maiolo
Hillsborough NC
email to :Rovernut@aol.com

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:23:33 EDT
Subject: Re: unsuscribe

In a message dated 98-07-26 07:01:42 EDT, you write:

<< Have you noticed how used Defenders actually seem to be
 appreciating now? >>

I'm selling mine while the getting's good. For what I'm getting for it:
a) I drove it 20k miles for free
b) I can turn it into a sensible Disco AND a Series truck.

I sold my RR and my IIa to buy a 110, then turned that into a 90sw, all the
while thinking it would be like splitting the difference between the two. It's
very nice, but I'm always worried when I take it off-road (Christ, what am I
DOING trashing a $35,000 truck!?!?!?!?) and it can be tedious on the highway.
It is the coolest thing I've ever driven, but until we get them in a
workhorse-type price point in the US, I think I'm better off letting mine go.
God what I wouldn't do for a basic 90....

Alex Maiolo
Hillsborough NC

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:29:15 EDT
Subject: Re: Zebra

Land Rover of Cary NC has a Zebra striped D90sw on the lot. It's a factory job
and it has AC.
Check it out ( I think it's only $30k - they consider it a "niche" vehicle ).

Alex Maiolo

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:36:38 EDT
Subject: Re: Silly Yank Ways

In a message dated 98-07-26 07:02:03 EDT, you write:

<< obviously you were kidding, you eat with the fork in the wrong hand, you
drive
 on the wrong side of the road and you drink cold beer. >>
Hey sucka, I eat the Queen's way. My mom (rather, me mum) was into table
etiquette and great-grandpa was from Sussex.
And, thank-you, a tepid Jennings is my idea of liquid heaven.

Alex Maiolo <-------a master of left-side road driving in ANY country
(hahahahaha!)

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From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 23:46:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Shocks for towing

<<< Please reply directly because this person is not on the list, yet! >>>

I have just bought a 92 Range Rover County with hopes of being able to tow my
boat. The boat weighs approximatley 6,500. I have launched the boat with the
rover and the rear end droped quit a bit but the launch was a breeze, breaking
good and pulled out with good power. My question is what make and model #
shock would be recomended for towing, or is the weight to much for the rover.
(tongue weight 400lb) 
Thanks for your Help.
Jeff Baker 
Bham, AL 

<bJBake32@aol.com>

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
1. Consult your Owner's Manual about towing capacity and limitations.
2. A sagging RR is a function of the coil springs, not the shocks.
   Some gas charged shocks lift the RR maybe 1/4" or so.  Shocks act to
   reduce quick changes in load such as uneven terrain.  For permanent
   lift, heavy duty springs are required.
-Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>

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From: "Richard Marsden" <rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 08:29:14 +0100
Subject: Re: Scotland

I'd head up into the Western Highlands (north of Fort William). A bit of a
drag by Loch Lomond with all the caravans, but if you find a Series, it
will feel at home up there!

September is possibly the best time to see the Highlands & Islands - midges
are beginning to die down, and its sunnier then.

If you get the time for Skye, go via Mallaig rather than Kyle of Lochalsh -
get an hour ferry at Mallaig, compared to an expensive bridge at the
Kyle!!!    :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

"The Stockdales" <mstockdale@mho.net> on 07/26/98 02:02:07 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Scotland

Well the Misses and I are planning a trip/holiday to
Scotland in mid September.  Interested in driving a Series
Rig while there anybody, anybody?

Looking for advice; 7 days, arrive Glasgow, where /what
should we see?

Mitch and the Red Dinosaur

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 04:29:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Silly Yank Ways

In a message dated 27/07/98 02:38:37 BST, you write:

<< << obviously you were kidding, you eat with the fork in the wrong hand, you
 drive
  on the wrong side of the road and you drink cold beer. >>
 Hey sucka, I eat the Queen's way. My mom (rather, me mum) was into table
 etiquette and great-grandpa was from Sussex.
 And, thank-you, a tepid Jennings is my idea of liquid heaven.
  >>
nah,
the Queen eats with her fingers in front of the telly. Sussex is so far South
it's practically in a foreign country and Jennings might be good but don't
compare to Thwaites'.
 However, Alex, dear chap, you are on the right lines - now just convert the
other however many millions and we may - just may if you ask really nicely -
let you back into the Empire.......
I think I'd better go lie down, my brain's hurting......

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 04:29:51 EDT
Subject: Re: unsuscribe

In a message dated 27/07/98 02:26:06 BST, you write:

<< I'm selling mine while the getting's good. For what I'm getting for it:
 a) I drove it 20k miles for free
 b) I can turn it into a sensible Disco AND a Series truck.
 
 I sold my RR and my IIa to buy a 110, then turned that into a 90sw, all the
 while thinking it would be like splitting the difference between the two.
It's
 very nice, but I'm always worried when I take it off-road (Christ, what am I
 DOING trashing a $35,000 truck!?!?!?!?) and it can be tedious on the highway.
 It is the coolest thing I've ever driven, but until we get them in a
 workhorse-type price point in the US, I think I'm better off letting mine go.
 God what I wouldn't do for a basic 90.... >>

Alex and others,

just a thought here. I know that some people buy pre 69 Ser motors in the UK,
have them 'seen to' by a LR specialist and ship 'em back home - something to
do with the tax laws and the years when LR first imported?
So, with clean (but not perfect) 110/Nineties easily available over here for
£10,000 sterling would it not be a proposition to do the same with them... or
am I missing something legalwise?

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: "Richard Marsden" <rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 09:35:29 +0100
Subject: Re: unsuscribe

I think there's a 25 yr law in there somewhere.
Its possible to mport vehicles under than 25 yrs, but you need so much
doing to them, that
it isn't really worth it.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

Frankelson@aol.com on 07/27/98 09:29:51 AM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: unsuscribe

In a message dated 27/07/98 02:26:06 BST, you write:

<< I'm selling mine while the getting's good. For what I'm getting for it:
 a) I drove it 20k miles for free
 b) I can turn it into a sensible Disco AND a Series truck.

 I sold my RR and my IIa to buy a 110, then turned that into a 90sw, all
the
 while thinking it would be like splitting the difference between the two.
It's
 very nice, but I'm always worried when I take it off-road (Christ, what am
I
 DOING trashing a $35,000 truck!?!?!?!?) and it can be tedious on the
highway.
 It is the coolest thing I've ever driven, but until we get them in a
 workhorse-type price point in the US, I think I'm better off letting mine
go.
 God what I wouldn't do for a basic 90.... >>

Alex and others,

just a thought here. I know that some people buy pre 69 Ser motors in the
UK,
have them 'seen to' by a LR specialist and ship 'em back home - something
to
do with the tax laws and the years when LR first imported?
So, with clean (but not perfect) 110/Nineties easily available over here
for
#10,000 sterling would it not be a proposition to do the same with them...
or
am I missing something legalwise?

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+
            I !__|  [_]|_\___
            I ____|
^T_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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