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From: andy Smith <andy@bobstar.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:04:50 +0100
Subject: Re: Chassis numbers

In message <bulk.19139.19980724155428@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Norman Lewis
>So what about suffix H??  Very late Ser IIa's had suffix H serial
>chassis numbers, but its not on your list.  Are you sure about the
>suffix F, as I seem to recall that F was skipped?
>Also, there seems to be some misconception among some list members
>regarding fenders and headlights.  Late IIa Land-Rovers had front
>fenders which were essentially identical to those on Ser III, so if you

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>> Axles I have A, B and F.  Dunno about CDE.
>> ------------------------------

My 1971 ser2a is a suffix H she was bought in the June of that year.
>From what I can make out from the service history etc that I received when
I bought her, She was fitted with a ser 3 gearbox.-- 
andy Smith
1965 ser 2a v8 swb ccv/road
1971 ser 2a 2.25 petrol out of service 

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From: Kathleen Hollington <kholling@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 08:05:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Axle casing rot

My 68 IIA has a case of rear axle casing rot.  Specifically, in the
supporting member on the long side of the rear axle.  There are a 
couple of places where there are holes in this member.  I am just
wondering how serious this is (I have read somewhere about someone
just using a grinder to take the supporting member off, as the main
axle casing itself (where the axle slides in) was not rotten.  The
main casing on mine looks solid as well.  But there was also an
article 3-4 months ago in LRO mag in which they replace an axle
casing with such rot because it failed MOT.
I found a kind soul who has a good spare and may be willing to ship it
to me, but before going through the time and expense, I hoped to
get some views from some of you re: just how serious such rot is
(if it was in the main axle casing itself I would not hesitate one
second, but in this lower supporting piece - which apparently LR
stopped putting on in later trucks - I'm not sure).  Thanks!
-- 
Robert St-Louis -- OTTAWA/CANADA -- '68 IIA SWB LR -- 
  kholling@nrn1.nrcan.gc.ca.NOSPAM (remove NOSPAM when replying)

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From: Kathleen Hollington <kholling@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 08:15:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Tub rot

Hi.
A couple of questions re: some rot on the tub of my 68 IIA:

1. the lower rear section of the tub is quite corroded, 
especially near the holes that serve to mount to the frame in the
back.  Is welding a replacement transverse piece of aluminum the 
best/only way to repair that?  Are there alternatives that DON'T
necessitate welding (I'm not setup for that, skill nor experience)  I
seem to recall someone long ago suggesting that riveting (?) on some
piece of aluminum channel on (from marine supply houses?) would do
the trick...

2. Also on the rear tub, the transverse
support beams underneath were rotten, but I have galvanized
replacement ones and I will put those on, but first I have to repair
the floor of the tub which has holes where the transverse pieces 
were rusted.  I was thinking of cutting up pieces of old floorboards
and riveting them on from underneath.  Do you feel that's a good
approach?  Any alternatives?  I know welding may be better, but
I don't weld (yet) and don't know if I should consider going down
that route (ie get a mig welder somewhere, learn how to weld, etc.)

Any suggestions on the above will be welcome.  Thanks!

-- 
Robert St-Louis -- OTTAWA/CANADA -- '68 IIA SWB LR -- 
  kholling@nrn1.nrcan.gc.ca.NOSPAM (remove NOSPAM when replying)

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:48:29 EDT
Subject: Re: Seals

In a message dated 98-07-25 07:01:23 EDT, you write:

<< I've been losing oil out of one side of the front hubs.   >>

If you replace the seals make sure you :
a) use double lipped Federal Moguls and MAKE SURE to lubricate then with
rubber grease before you use them. Even a microscoping tear that has developed
during installation will come back to haunt you.
b) replace the paper washer, smear both sides with rubber grease thinly.
c) replace the felt seal
d) spin the wheel a few times as you're tightening things up, then tighten out
any slack that has develped
e) make sure the six bolts on the hub are tight. After a few days they loosen
a bit and a spew of 90wt can start.

If all of this is in order, no oil will get out.

Alex Maiolo 
Hillsborough NC

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:57:43 EDT
Subject: Re:

In a message dated 98-07-25 07:01:23 EDT, you write:

<< I would like to say a sincere thank you for this completely unneccessay 
 action.  >>

Somebody should tell this guy that when he's being sarcastic, he should
dispense with words such as "sincere." Kinda counter-productive and confusing,
no?

Well, my fellow jerks, I guess this guy has completely shown his ass. Any
sympathy,  truly heartfelt or otherwise, has been nullified since this guy has
lumped me and the rest of you into the catagory of Land Rover snobs based on
the actions of one person. "That which does not defeat us only makes us
stronger."

Uuuuggghhh, whatever dude....

Alex Maiolo
Hillsborough NC

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From: Peter Goundry <peterg@aircast.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:05:52 -0400
Subject: Billings 1998

<Tom Bache wrote: .  Food is not a specialty of the British-by the way 
most everywhere it was less than impressive >

Ah Tom, in order to appreciate food one must enjoy it. I for one was 
in heaven over there. I caught up on runner beans, broad beans, 
english breakfasts, pork pies, steak pies, chicken madras, baltis, 
barbecued ribs, roast beef & yorkshire pudding. Moms apple pie (which 
is better than any I have tasted in the U.S. it all starts with the 
apple!). There was the cumberland sausage, Harry Ramsden's haddock & 
chips swilled down with copious amounts of Theakston's bitter  There 
was also faggots (englsh meatball) & chips accompanied by Exmoor best 
bitter, there was Cafferys, Riding, John Smiths, Boddingtons, Murphys, 
Brew 11, Bank's Bitter, Guiness, etc.)

By the way, we did clear the crumbs from the Apple, Apple & Rasberry, 
and Egg & Bacon pies we consumed in our travels, from the hired 
Discovery (Land Rover content) before handing it was handed to you at 
Birmingham airport. See you next weekend at Greek Peak,

Peter Goundry
67 GS109" IIA, 73 Lightweight, 97 D90 #127

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:04:12 EDT
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In a message dated 98-07-25 07:01:40 EDT, you write:

<< Wouldn't it be simpler to make seat belts mandatory, then airbags can have
 a more "sensible" power/size?
  >>
 Actually, most states do have a mandatory seat belt law. The only exceptions
are when the car is so old it has no seat belts or just lap belts, like my
IIa.

<<<<<Its a strange country I'm moving to in the next month!<<<

Strange or not, at least we drive on correct damn side of the road! 
(hahahahaha, just kidding!)

Alex Maiolo

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:12:47 EDT
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In a message dated 98-07-25 07:01:40 EDT, you write:

<< Do the air bag / crumple zone collision standards in the US also apply
 to light trucks?  >>

I'm not totally sure about this, but most box frame trucks are switching over
to a design that will allow the front end to collapse, while keep the frame's
integrity. Perhaps this is doe with some sort of outrigger set-up. More than
likely it accounts for all those big bulbous plastic bumpers cars have these
days.
Industrial trucks are exempt, but you'd have a hard time convicing the general
public of the US that the Defender was anything but a rich man's toy. That's
just how LR marketed them. I guess it worked...
Alex Maiolo

Alex Maiolo

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:21:05 EDT
Subject: Re:

In a message dated 98-07-25 07:01:43 EDT, you write:

<< I've forgotten what "Jambo" means, too long away from SA.) >>

It's an informal gretting, bwana.

Kwa Heri,
Alex Maiolo

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From: Christian Neuhaus <chnw@amauta.rcp.net.pe>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:58:42 -0500
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:59:00 -0500

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:59:17 -0500
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From: "Barry Dudley" <DudleyB@micr.unp.ac.za>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:29:13 +0200
Subject: More air.........less gears!

Hello all,

I recently added a snorkel to my SIII (ford 3L, V6) which led to a
cooled engine, better economy (fuel only so far) and 10-15% more
power.
It may have been the increased power that broke the gearbox.
As I was coming off the freeway I changed down to 3rd, 2nd and on
trying to go back to 3rd/4th found that the gear shift would go
towards that position but not all the way.
Pulled out the haynes and LR workshop manuals.... and the top of the
gear box......... selector gears and shiny balls.  I can get 1st/2nd
(easy) and 3rd sometimes (only manually).

The questions I have are: has it got to do with the springs?
OR the shiny balls (how woukd one tell?);
Is it not the 3rd/4th syncro?  (how to ID?);
Does this mean a new gear box?
Would it have anything to do with the adaptor plate (engine gear
box?);
Would this not be a good time to put in a different engine?  Type?
   
Any help/suggestions/feeling/www sites/addition to the manuals would
be appreciated.  I really do not know anything about gearboxs so if
you could go from simple solutions to the more difficult (costly)
alternatives it would be useful. 

Barry Dudley
dudleyb@micr.unp.ac.za
Pietermaritzburg
Kwa-Zulu Natal

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From: John <jhong@flex.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 10:37:07 -0700
Subject: Re: How fast should I go (was overdrive question)

Reading Marin Faure's bespoke post about rpm ranges and engine wear brought
back fond memories of my school days and a paper I read back then on wear
in marine engines.  

The thing I remembered most about this paper was the description of a +50
year old steam engine on a still in service tramp steamer that cruised at
about 150 rpm and the original cylinder walls were still in excellent
condition as was most of the other engine components. (obviously skilled
tenders at work)

If my almost 20 year recollections are accurate, there was a rather linear
relationship between operating rpm and engine life, especially in the lower
and mid ranges with a sometimes drastic non-linear drop in the upper
ranges.  :)

Since lower/mid/upper are relative descriptors, the actual RPM numbers were
engine dependent - obviously what would be an upper rpm range on a older
slower engine would be a lower rpm range on a newer one.  It was good to
see quantitative support for what many would consider an intuitive truth.

I guess you could say, "take her easy and she'll not disappoint" could be
considered an inter-disciplinary golden rule, eh? :)

John
Navel Inspector

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From: "Yves" <yves.L@suisse.org>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 20:46:13 +0200
Subject: Re:  More air.........less gears!

It might be a brocken spring of the 3rd/4th syncro. This once happened to me
just after an engine overhaul. grrrrrr gearbox out again.
If it is realy just the spring and no further damage occured it is just a
time consuming job to fix (~16 to 20hrs for 1 person, the spring (need 3 of
them) will cost about 1$. Thees springs are a weekness off the SII-III
gearboxes so replace all of them.
Depending on the state of the gearbox you might opt for a complete overhaul.

Good luck

Yves Larboulette
Sahara-Info Team
                        sahara@email.ch
                        www.sahara-info.ch
>As I was coming off the freeway I changed down to 3rd, 2nd and on
>trying to go back to 3rd/4th found that the gear shift would go
>towards that position but not all the way.

>Is it not the 3rd/4th syncro?  (how to ID?);
>Does this mean a new gear box?

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 14:49:38 EDT
Subject: Build times

A precident was set  back in 1971 when Land Rover (or was it British,
expletive deleted, Leyland)  stopped importing Land Rovers because they were
not willing to make their product meet the requirements of the US market.
They repeated themselves recently by again discontinuing the import of  the
Defenders.

Petrhaps Rover could do as Mercedes Benz with their new AAV and BMW with
their Z3 sports car and build them in the US.

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver


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From: Charles Kerr <charlesk@iafrica.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:12:01 +0200
Subject: Gearbox mounting

Hi all

I am in the process of doing a complete rebuild on my series III. I have
a 2.24L motor but the chasis I am using for the rebuild is the 2.6L
chasis. I know that I have to move the motor mounts futher back BUT !!!
I am trying to mount the gearbox and the clutch slave cyl is fouling the
chasis cross member IT WONT FIT. Has anyone else done this, do I have to
cut the cross member or am I just being stupid somewhere??

Regards

paw x paw owner and proud of it.

Charles Kerr
charlesk@iafrica.com

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:42:19 EDT
Subject:  Re-CONGRATULATIONS ON A JOB WELL DONE!!!

>Some guttless monster from your mailing list that did 
>not even have the courage to reveal itself , complained to my e-mail 
>provider that this was unsollicited e-mail and managed to get my e-mail 
>account closed.

Does anyone know what happened here? I took a look at the LR blueprints and
found them interesting, it is tragic that we have somehow caused so much
grief.

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid
+ Rolling RR chassis (awaiting the right body)

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:12:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Build times

On Sat, 25 Jul 1998 DONOHUEPE@aol.com wrote:

> A precident was set  back in 1971 when Land Rover (or was it British,
 expletive deleted, Leyland)  stopped importing Land Rovers because they were
 not willing to make their product meet the requirements of the US market.
 They repeated themselves recently by again discontinuing the import of  the
> Defenders.

I can't blame Land Rover for not making changes to the Defender to make it
suitable for the US market.  The NAS D90s were, at best, only slightly
profitable.  The millions of pounds that it would take to fit US-style
airbags, and side impact protection would never be recovered.  If you want
someone to bitch about this, blame Ford and GM, who pushed for massive
tariffs on imported small trucks, because they couldn't, or wouldn't,
compete with the japanese mini-trucks.  That same tariff is also among the
reasons there is no three door Disco in the US.  

David Scheidt

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From: nickf@co.wayne.in.us (Nick Fankhauser)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:06:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Zebra Stripes

I can't remember who it is, but I know there was at least one land rover in
Indianapolis with a zebra paint job. There was a picture of it on the net at
one time. Here are E-mail adresses of two rover folks that I've heard of in
Indy -I don't know if either of them are on the list, but they can probably
point you at the photos if you inquire.

nathan@indyrover.com
lemurstew@aol.com (Ike Goss)

And while I'm here- A *sincere* Job Well Done to the folks who have the
thankless job of enforcing the anti-spam policies. I'm sorry that it takes
some pain to get the message through to some people, but it must get
through. This one won't soon forget the lesson.

-NickF

Nick Fankhauser      | http://www.co.wayne.in.us/wayneco
nickf@co.wayne.in.us | http://www.infocom.com/~nickf

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:19:10 EDT
Subject: Re: Billing

In a message dated 24/07/98 14:32:51 BST, you write:

<< Subj:	 Billing
 Date:	24/07/98 14:32:51 BST
 From:	peterg@aircast.com (Peter Goundry)
 Reply-to:	lro@playground.sun.com
 To:	lro@playground.sun.com
 
 <Neil wrote: Well, I bloody enjoyed it!
 Anyone else go, there's absolutely no Billing talk here 
 recently........>
 
 The first American contingent arrived back Wednesday and we really 
 haven't got round to talking about it yet. As mentioned on a previous 
 list, both R.O.V.E.R.S and West Connecticut Rover Club (WCRC) had 
 parties attending Billings. Pictures should be up on the club sites 
 shortly and articles will be appearing in the club's news sheets. I am 
 sure that all of the members photographs will be on display at Greek 
 Peak and that we will all be talking about our 
 adventures/misadventures.
 Cheers for now,
 Peter J Goundry
 67 GS109" IIA, 73 Lightweight, 97 D90 #127
 
  >>

Peter,
where were you???

I stood in the bloody hot LRO tent all weekend (NOT) and had my picture taken
by Japanese visitors but met none of you lot. 
I did meet David Russell from Maryland and a geezer wearing an Uncle Sam top
hat and his missus (he told me al about his bypass which made me pleased as
I'm possibly in line for one) but didn't meet you or any of your gang.
Oh well. maybe next year??
BTW the gleaming Bronze Green 110 in front of the LRO tent, wearing a Land
Rover/Range Rover Flag and a Cross of St George Flag was mine. If you saw it,
please feel free to compliment me on it!!

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: "Eagle Vision Geomatcs & Archaeology Ltd." <eaglevision@cintek.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:46:58 -0600
Subject: Austin Gipsy manual

I am wondering if anyone knows the location of an Austin Gipsy manual
that I could obtain?  There is a guy in Cranbrook (SE British Columbia)
whol has a *lot* of land rovers, (including two 107 SW and a whack of
80").  Another guy gave him two restorable 80" rovers and only wants a
Gipsy manual in return (obligatory LR content)

Please send any replies to my regular address as this is a 'borrowed'
one.

Clinton_Coates@BC.Sympatico.CA

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From: Oliver_Gottlob@t-online.de (Oliver Gottlob)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:02:55 +0100
Subject: Billing Beltring 98 / 109 Diesel with 2,5 ton tow capacity in papers 
(Germany)

Hello all,

I´ve just retured from the UK. Was a nice trip. First I went to
Beltring. Never had seen such before. There were all kind of moving
military stuff. A few guys repaird there toy (a abbot SPG) others 
doing (rally style) racing with there abbot´s (spg) 
And mad guys follow them in a small tank (scorpion) in reverse !

I enjoyed that and all other very much. 

But I missed Johan and his carawagon. (I saw the car but everytime
I was there (not so much) there were nobody to see.

Then I went to Billing. It was HUGE this year. even on saturday evening
when all the babacues were fired on there was so much smog!
I went to the beer tent but there I can find out who was from the List.
But I met other friends (from UK and Germany) and we had fun. 
I bought all the things I will never need ;) (but they were so cheap)

After I am back at home I read that there was also a meeting on the 
Lightwight stand but I read it to late. (Need to have email on the trips
also)

But then on Sunday I had a lot of fun ! I enjoyed a small trip in the
swiming rover: Dunsfolds GPAP(General purpose air portable) known as 
the wader. Yes Phil just started to go to the lake as I met him with
the gpap (airbags on the roof). I also went to the lake.

After fitting the floating bags (and refilling them) we went to the 
slipway (hope this is the right word for this pice of steet going into
the lake). After a small trim (I went to the back of the gpap) we where
sailing around the see. after abt 10 min. We went back to the ground 
and refilled the floating bags (airbags). (the bags have a lot of holes) 
A LOT of FUN.

Unfortunatly, I was without my camera. I anybody had made a photo or
a video I am highly interested to get a copy. (I was the guy with long 
hair and glasses lying in the left side of the vehicle)

After Billing I went to the chilterm hills (near to end of the rigeway 
to the ivenhoe bacon). Making some radio contacts and enjoyed the view.

on the way back I visited the RAF museum in Hendon (worth to visit) and 
Dunsfold Landrovers in surry for a chat. After a day spend on the
southcoast
I went back the the Hovercraft. (Hovercraft HOVERCRAFT btw the
hovercraft
is a little bit like my 109 Diesel. She is loud, bouncing over the
streets(water) smells a little bit like diesel (kerosine) and travels
abt 80km/h. 

But before my trip to the UK there were a person from Germany who was 
interested in a copy of my cars "Fahrzeugbrief" for the towing capicity
of 2,5 ton. I missed the faxnumber (and name) so can you please write me
again. Is there any problem with scanning it, and putting it on my
homepage ??

Bye

OLi

1976 Landrover 109 Diesel "slow and smokey" everyday transport
http://www.qsl.net/dg5dbv
I will be at the Deutsche Rover Club 50th anniversarty in
Kaiseresch/Eifel
look out for the regristration "SO-XA 245"

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From: Keith Addison <gruno@att.net.hk>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 05:58:14 +0800 (HKT)
Subject: Re: Jambo

>I've forgotten what "Jambo" means, too long away from SA.)

>It's an informal gretting, bwana.

>Kwa Heri,
>Alex Maiolo

Grettings to you too Alex :-)
and thanks for the information - Jambo's Swahili? No wonder... And "Kwa
Heri"? You spent time in East Africa then? Me - just two weeks! Anyway I
ain't no bwana, ain't no baas either - these days I'm just a gweilo.

Hamba kahle (LR content: Zulu for "Go well") (I think!!)

Keith Addison
Hong Kong

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From: Brian Cramer <defender@uscom.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:13:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom

At 02:01 PM 7/24/98 , you wrote:
>I'm looking for pictures of Land Rover in Zebra paint similar to the
>Mutual Of Omaha stuff that used to be on TV. Can someone point me to a
>site or source of information ?
>I've been all over the net, without luck.
>             / ,            |                        |
>        /\  \|/  /\         | Marc-Andre Leger        |

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>"Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new."
>Albert Einstein  

Alan Adolphsen at East Coast Rover has a zebra striped coil sprung IIa. I
saw it last year at Downeast. Very cool ! Check it out at
http://eastcoastrover/ECRStaff.html Are you thinking of zebra striping the
new D90? I was thinking about doing the same thing. Let me know how you
make out.

Cheers,

Brian Cramer
Mount Laurel, New Jersey
'94 D90 (#1251)									
(888)434-4678 office
'90 RR County									
	(609)665-4451 office fax
'70 IIa Lightweight								
	(609)273-9708 home
'89 Range Rover (For Sale: $8,995 OBO)			(609)458-6671 cellular
'60 II SWB (soon)								
	ICQ #5696173	

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:44:30 EDT
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In a message dated 25/07/98 16:06:38 BST, you write:

<< Strange or not, at least we drive on correct damn side of the road! 
 (hahahahaha, just kidding!) >>

obviously you were kidding, you eat with the fork in the wrong hand, you drive
on the wrong side of the road and you drink cold beer.
 Thank goodness some of you have the sense to drive Land Rovers. Shows that
all is not yet totally lost on your side of the pond. 
Now all you have to do is stop selling us 'Cybil' and we'll probably talk to
you again
 :-)>

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:44:20 EDT
Subject: Re: Billings 1998

In a message dated 25/07/98 16:02:50 BST, you write:

<<  of Theakston's bitter  There 
 was also faggots (englsh meatball) & chips accompanied by Exmoor best 
 bitter, there was Cafferys, Riding, John Smiths, Boddingtons, Murphys, 
 Brew 11, Bank's Bitter, Guiness, etc.)
  >>
Ah Peter,
we'll gloss over most of the food which, despite having grown up on, I am now
told will kill me, BUT, despite all that ale being ok you missed out on the
world's finest brew - Thwaites' Best Mild.....
(now read in Lancashire dialect) ' Sithee, yon Twaiteses is summat grand.
'appen way'll 'ave a jar next tarm'

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:44:34 EDT
Subject: Re: unsuscribe

In a message dated 25/07/98 16:55:34 BST, you write:

<< unsuscribe >>

Christian,
send your unsubscribe to Majordomo, it don't read the list (playground)

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:44:41 EDT
Subject: Re: Build times

In a message dated 25/07/98 19:52:14 BST, you write:

<< A precident was set  back in 1971 when Land Rover (or was it British,
 expletive deleted, Leyland)  stopped importing Land Rovers because they were
 not willing to make their product meet the requirements of the US market.
 They repeated themselves recently by again discontinuing the import of  the
 Defenders.
 
 Petrhaps Rover could do as Mercedes Benz with their new AAV and BMW with
 their Z3 sports car and build them in the US.
  >>

OK Paul,
 So how about the MGB?
They said they lost £300 plus on every one sold so, despite a waiting list of
18 months in the States, they had to cease production.......
We asked if America wanted so many wouldn't they pay more?
They didn't answer and brought out the Alegro and Montego .......aaaargh......
You lot write sometimes as if you expect common sense from Land Rover... 

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: jules@learnlink.emory.edu (Sean P. Murphy)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:03:35 -0400
Subject: Re(2): How fast should I go (was overdrive question)

jhong@flex.com writes:
>I guess you could say, "take her easy and she'll not disappoint" could be
>considered an inter-disciplinary golden rule, eh? :)

Actually, I've seen several engines ruined by "taking it easy".  If you
don't get to the upper rpm ranges at all, you wind up with sludge building
in the oil and usually cause increased bottom end wear due to lugging the
engine at slow speeds with the wrong gear for the speed.  I've seen modern
cars blow out a bottom end in under 50k miles because the owner insisted
on shifting at or below 2000rpm.

Sean P. Murphy
Project Director, LearnLink
Emory University

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From: "The Stockdales" <mstockdale@mho.net>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:02:07 -0600
Subject: Scotland

Well the Misses and I are planning a trip/holiday to
Scotland in mid September.  Interested in driving a Series
Rig while there anybody, anybody?

Looking for advice; 7 days, arrive Glasgow, where /what
should we see?

Mitch and the Red Dinosaur

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From: Winn Bearden <wbearden@americus.net>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 21:57:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom

Saw one several months ago in LRW.  Can't find the issue,  think I left it
at the hospital when No. 2 arrived.

Leger Marc-Andre wrote:

> I'm looking for pictures of Land Rover in Zebra paint similar to the
> Mutual Of Omaha stuff that used to be on TV. Can someone point me to a
> site or source of information ?
> I've been all over the net, without luck.
>              / ,            |                        |
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> "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new."
> Albert Einstein

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Winn Bearden
P.O. Box 464
Americus, GA 31709
912-924-6513 (H)
912-928-4984 (CELL)

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From: Joseph Broach <mbroach@utk.edu>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 23:33:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Wind Bags

Regarding Defenders and air (...er wind) bags. New cars in the U.S. have to
have a provision to turn off the air bags, right? In fact, it seems like
some case made dealers disable airbags upon customer request at no charge.
So basically, buying a Defender would be like choosing not to have air
bags. They pulled the darn things before the used prices could get down
into my range. Have you noticed how used Defenders actually seem to be
appreciating now? Enough to make one want to move to Great Britain,
although it is neat to stand out in your series. Enough for now,

-joseph broach
knoxville, tn
'67 88 SW patiently awaiting reassembly, and gloating that now I'll never
be able to afford a Defender!

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From: "Yves" <yves.L@suisse.org>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 08:03:07 +0200
Subject: Experience with 9.00 R 15 Sand Tyres?

Hi all,

As I am frequently doing trips in the Sahara desert with my 1996 SIIa 4cyl
petrol I am wondering wether 9.00 R 15 Sand Tyres as fitted to the legendary
Pnk Panthers would be  of  any use in very sandy regions. Actually I am
using 7.50 XSF Michelin which perform ok.

Thank you

Yves Larboulette

Sahara-Info Team
                        sahara@email.ch
                        www.sahara-info.ch
                        Tel/Fax: +41-41/750 75 12

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From: "Yves" <yves.L@suisse.org>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 08:19:56 +0200
Subject: Tweaking the 2.25 petrol ? / Automotive?

Hi all,

any ideas for tweaking the 2.25 without loosing in simplicity and
reliability?
I need more low down and mid range torque, top speed is unimportant.

I received some interesting figures from Automotiv (in UK, offering tuning
the 2.25 up to 98 bhp):

RPM/torque (LB.FT)
RPM            1500    2000    2500    3500    4000
2.25 Std.     108      120      110       90        80
tuned            100      116     122       138      129

I think that is great for competition. But for expeditions I think that is
too much and am affraid that one might too easily kill the engine by over
revuing it.

My own experience:
- Turner high performance 8:1 head gives better mid range torque
- 2.5 camshaft gives smoother ride, no more running on but less low down
torque
- removing the oil bath (2.5 type) air filter gives no noticable difference
in performance

any Ideas? Thank you

Yves Larboulette

Sahara-Info Team
                        sahara@email.ch
                        www.sahara-info.ch
                        Tel/Fax: +41-41/750 75 12

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 09:26:47 +0200
Subject: Re: CONGRATULATIONS ON A JOB WELL DONE!!!

A Big Viking wrote:
> To all the subscribers of land-rover-owner but most of all the people
> that keep it running!
> I wanted to take the time and write you a sincere "THANK YOU!" note and
> congratulate you on a job well done!
> Collecting automotive blueprints is one of my hobbies and it has cost me
> many years to come to the current count of 329 different prints, which

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> to your provider with a complaint for sending unsollicited e-mail.
> No regards whatsoever.

Hey, will somebody please complain to his service provider about the
unsolicited whining...

Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za
http://AfricanAdrenalin.com

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