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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:49:17 EDT
Subject: Re: V8 Powered Motors

In a message dated 7/12/98 5:26:13 AM, you wrote:

figures...>>

He doesn't drive a Peunaulwagen Hatchback, does he? Some people place way too
much importance on 0-60 figures. You have a Land-Rover, not a Lotus 7. They're
both aluminum bodied, leaky roofed, 4 cylinder vehicles, just with very
different missions, and 0-60 applies to only one; ask him which. 

It is, after all, only a number on paper. 

I'd worry more about topping out at 45 than the rate at which you get there.
I'll admit my vehicle doesn't have a great rate of accelleration, but it
eventually gets up to speed, which is fine. Maybe your gearing is odd or your
speedo is malfunctioning or the engine needs rings or something...

I suggest re-bodying the LR in the form of a Dymaxion (sp?) vehicle (the Bucky
Fuller car) to help acceleration if it is such a quest. Drag from the form of
the vehicle must be addressed first, then start working on the parasitic drag
by removing all rivet heads, doorhandle holes and radio antennae. Give Richard
Noble's team a call asking for help going faster... they may know a trick or
two ;-)

--pat.

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:00:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Correction =Rivet Part Numbers 

Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote:
> >> You can order the closed end rivets from Mcmaster-Carr in New Jersey 
1-732-329-3200

part numbers from an invoice I found are as follows:
earlier numbers posted from the boxes must have been a manufacturers
number
sorry for the confusion.

97524 A107
97524 A028

Rgds,
Steve

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From: Wesley Harris <wharris@midmon.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:25:23 -0500
Subject: Start Me Up

I'm just back from infantry school and really in need of a morale-boosting
event to get my back into the wrenching mode.  I want to start my engine and
need to know what are the bare essentials needed to accomplish this.  The
fuel system is ready to go, as is the carb/accelerator linkage.  None of the
electrics are connected yet.  I need to know: what do I need to connect
electrically to get it started and how do I stop it once I do get it started?  

Ta,

Wes Harris
'64 88 SW 

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:13:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Start Me Up

On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Wesley Harris wrote:

> electrics are connected yet.  I need to know: what do I need to connect
> electrically to get it started and how do I stop it once I do get it started? 
 

I assume you have no wiring whatsoever.  IF you have it already, the job
is easier.  What you need is a battery, a coil and a distributor.  A
starter and an alternator/dynamo are handy to, but you don't need them if
you are only proving the engine runs.  Run a wire from the positive
terminal on the battery to a switch, and then from the switch to the
posive side of the coil.  From the negitive side of the coil, run a lead
to the low tension pigtail on the dizzy.  Connect high tension side of the 
distributor and coil as usual.  At this point, you should probably set the
static timing.  TDC is good enough.  Close the switch, huff and puff over
the starter handle (watch your thumbs!), and the thing should start.  when
you want to shut it off, open the switch.  

If you have a starter and alternator, or dynamo, you should probably use
them, since having a starter makes starting much, much easier.

david

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From: "Art Bitterman" <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:05:57 -0600
Subject: RE: Straps/Shocks
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Hi All!

Michel Bertrand wrote about his Rover not handling any different without =
a shock- I can vouch for that!!

At The Steamboat rally I sheared the center bolt on my left front =
spring. The only thing which stopped the axle from going further back =
than it did was the (now) bent and mangled shock. Took the shock off =
(after replacing the ubolts) for the trip home and have driven it about =
500 miles so far with no shock there, and I can't feel any difference!

Are shocks really needed on a Series? (Tongue firmly in cheek)

Art
Art Bitterman
Gunsmith
WebSite  http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/6339/
!960 SII 88" (rhd) "The Beast"-Missing front bumper-great approach =
angle, but bugger all for frontal protection
Trinidad,Colorado
"Jack of all Trades,Master of Some!"

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From: "Blue Print 69" <blueprint69@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:19:12 PDT
Subject: LANDROVER BLUE PRINTS UPLOADED!

Just uploaded the list of Landrover blueprints, including 88 & 107!

Check out:

www.geocities.com/Augusta/9275/

and follow the Rover link from the list.

Doubles ARE available!

Best regards,
Jack
Blue Print 69

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From: Gillian & Craig McHaffie <mailaig@bc.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:26:15 -0700
Subject: brand new range rovers

When we bought our 98 disco a few months ago, the dealer really was
after us to lease the vehicle, over 35% of their new car "sales" are
leased vehicles. Since you are responsible for the state of the vehicle
at the end of the lease period, most of these are being leased as on
road vehicles.

By the way, I'm the one in the family who will take the disco off road,
mind you my husband knows it's okay for me to get a couple of scratches,
if he got one on  my "giles", it would be a completely different story! 
I know, sad, unfair, but true  ;-)

gillian and giles

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 98 11:31:56 -0700
Subject: Re: 109 Ride Height

>Spent the day changing road springs on the 109. Chassis Bushes were
;>the hardest to replace :-(

My car is a 109 that has 3 petrol tanks, a water tank, furniture and a 
big winch up front I replaced a set of badly worn springs about 11 months 
ago with a new set of one ton springs and extended shackles.  Below is my 
comparison.

;>Sadly, after having the new springs fitted, I find that :
;
;>1) the front is still sitting higher than the rear

My car appears to sit level front to rear.  But I have a massive winch up 
front.

;>2) the vehicle still noticeably lists to the passenger side

This is also my biggest peeve.  My left hand drive 109 looks like it is 
listing about 10 to 15 degrees to the right (right side down).  I have a 
petrol tank under each front seat and a 15 gallon water tank on the high 
left side.  With the car leaning to the right I have to be careful with 
left side high crossings.

Rover has stronger springs for the driver's side to keep the car level 
when traveling.  Their cars have the driver and the under seat fuel tank 
on the same side.  Personally, I think people with left hand drive cars 
and with 109 station wagons should use the same spring both right and 
left.

My current plan is to switch over to the Santanna parabolics when I get 
spare $$$.  I'm reading the reports from new owners of parabolic springs 
with great interest.

;>Also, is it natural for a rover to ride bow high?

Umm only if you are going uphill or sinking by the stern  =8*0

         | TeriAnn Wakeman
         | twakeman@cruzers.com
         | http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman
         |
         | "The Green Rover"
         | 1960 109 two door
         | Expidition equipped
         |
         | _______     ____
      .==|"======="==='    `=============.
     /   |	                               \
     | ._|_______________________________. |
     |/  |    	___________________	    .. \|
    ,|___|____/ _________________ \____||__|,       
     | .-|-. | |	                | | .-||. |
     | | | | | |	                |'%,||||| |	
     | | | | | |                	| | ||||| |	
 _   | | | | | |_________________| | ||||| |  _	
(_)  | | | | |                    	| ||||| | (_)
   \ | `-|-' |        	==	        '% ||||' |/
   ,'====|===|=====================|=||||===` 
   |(o)  | 0||	        ||	        ||0||||(o)|
   |(o)  o  ||	        ||	        || ||||(o)|
   ||   ==  ||	        ||        	|| ||||  ||
   ||  ____ ||	        ||	        || ||||__||
   || |7050|||        	||	        || |____/||
   ||  ---- ||_________||_________||   ||  ||
   ||_______|______________________|___||__||
   | |	    |	        | _ |	         |	    | |
   |_|_____|_________[ - ]__________|_____|_| 
    | Land  |~~~~~~~~'~~~.___/~~~~ | Land  |
    |   /   |                      |   /   |
    | Rover |	                     | Rover |
    |_______|                    	 |_______|
     |\\~//|	                       |\\~//|
     |_\_/_|	                       |_\_/_|

  [Key -Dormobile top, military bummperettes,
   rear whip antenna, vertical rear mounted 
   hiLift jack, tail gate, side hinged lift gate]

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:53:02 +0200
Subject: Re: 109 Ride Height

This sounds like a completly normal stock Series Land Rover.

Try "overloading" the side/end which is too high (sacks of cement, heavy
weights, her-indoors etc. leave them there for an hour or two...

good luck

Lawrence Lee wrote:
> Hi all,
> Spent the day changing road springs on the 109. Chassis Bushes were
> the hardest to replace :-(
> Sadly, after having the new springs fitted, I find that :
> 1) the front is still sitting higher than the rear

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> Land Rover SerIII 109, 2.6l   "Kerbau"
> A Malay name for Water Buffalo. One that PREFERS to stay in mud.

-- 
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From: Elwyn York <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:52:57 +0100
Subject: V8 Pwrd Motors

Hi

My Brother says

"The figures where to compare the Defender TDi, Discovery TDi, Discovery &
Defender V8, these figures where not to show off with, they were just for
reference because the model could not be found on paper (What Car)

The difference in speed to the discovery one would helped to find out the
difference in economy, performance and overall ability.  this is a quite
sensible question and doesnt deserve such closed minded answer"

>>Me<<

You can tell he doesnt like driving them or using them.  Still, at least i
can still bribe him to help me work on it.  "Lifts-for-work" usually work!

PS. Is there a V8 Defender? apart from the specials?

Cheers
Elwyn York (Mid Wales)
S3 '72 (Dented) Lightweight. "Green Brick"
Eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk & Http://www.ey-eg.demon.co.uk

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:05:46 EDT
Subject: Re: 109 Ride Height

In a message dated 7/12/98 2:32:21 PM, you wrote:

<<My car is a 109 that has 3 petrol tanks, a water tank, furniture and a 
big winch up front I replaced a set of badly worn springs about 11 months 
ago with a new set of one ton springs and extended shackles.  Below is my 
comparison.
<<My car is a 109 that has 3 petrol tanks, a water tank, furniture and a 

Teriann, How much room is there between the axles and the bump-stops? Under
full load, your 109 must be quite a tank to haul around...  Now that you've
got the 1 ton 109 springs under there, do you think the parabolics will handle
all that weight? (Maybe they have a spec for parabolics for the high weight
capacity LRs too? I don't mean the 109/110 hicap, BTW) Oh yeah, I meant to ask
if the term *furniture* included a dining room set, or was it just the bedroom
and kitchen appliances <double grin>

Good luck, and keep us posted on the progress of the vehicel :-).  

--pat.

ps: I've always seen beat-up looking 109s sagging astern, don't know why,
maybe just old springs. Kinda adds to their charm and mystique. What was the
term used to best describe a 109 going down the road? Lurching, wasn't it... 

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 18:22:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: V8 Pwrd Motors

On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Elwyn York wrote:

> PS. Is there a V8 Defender? apart from the specials?

yup.  The NAS defenders all have V8s in them.  There were V8 110s, I don't
know if there have been any (non-NAS) 90s with V8s.  

David

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From: "Richard Clarke"<Richard.Clarke@nre.vic.gov.au>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:12:41 +1000
Subject: Alignment

From: TBache9248@aol.com
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 07:49:55 EDT
Subject: Alignment
hi All,
There is a very good reason to get your Rover pro-aligned.  It is often
called
dogleg steering, crabbing, etc.  "Set the toe and let 'er go" was long a
motto, but not very good for back tires.  You should get a 4 wheel
alignment
to established that both ends of the Rover are going in the same direction.
Broken center bolts, springs, loose u-bolts all will allow the rear to
track
off-center.  Not neccessary every year, but a good alignment on occasion
will
help spot troubles ahead and preserve expensive off-road tires.
About the head with the broken bolt holes, if yours is an early S11 engine,
I
just may have a solid head that needs refurbishment for the cost of UPS, I
also have a early short block that is going to the scrapper soon unless it
is
claimed and retrieved by the end of the month.  Cleaning house.
Tom Bache
Avondale, PA
You cannot adjust the alignment on the rear wheels anyway - its better to
save your money and inspect for broken centre bolts, u-bolts, warn bushest
etc because that's all the rear alignment can tell you anyway

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From: "Richard Clarke"<Richard.Clarke@nre.vic.gov.au>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:38:08 +1000
Subject: Re: Re: Straps

they stop the old style (read not very strong) shock absorbers from beeing
the restriction on axle travel.
I've seen a number of old Landys with the shockers ripped appart when the
axle straps have gone

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 98 18:34:13 -0700
Subject: Re: 109 Ride Height

;.>My car is a 109 that has 3 petrol tanks, a water tank, furniture and a 
;>>big winch up front I replaced a set of badly worn springs about 11 
months 
;>>ago with a new set of one ton springs and extended shackles.  Below is 
my 
;>>comparison.

;>>My car is a 109 that has 3 petrol tanks, a water tank, furniture and a 

;>Teriann, How much room is there between the axles and the bump-stops? 
Under
;>full load, your 109 must be quite a tank to haul around... 

The Green Rover is about 4800 pounds unloaded, with 5 gallons of petrol.  
Fully loaded with 42 gallons of petrol 15 gallons of water, camping gear, 
food, the wolfhound and myself, the car weighs about 5200 pounds.

;> do you think the parabolics will handle all that weight?

The advertising collateral and the web site for the company selling 
parabolics show a Dormobile presumably parabolics under it.  SO I assume 
it can handle my 4X4 motel.

;>Oh yeah, I meant to ask if the term *furniture* included a dining room 
set, 
;>or was it just the bedroom and kitchen appliances <double grin>

It includes one bed, two wardrobes, two burner stove with broiler, dual 
sinks, refrigerator, rear seat, fold up table and toilet.  On the roof is 
a rear tent (doubles the space) and a 3 foot by 6 foot shower.
>Good luck, and keep us posted on the progress of the vehicel :-).  

If you are going to be at Geek Peak for the BIG ANARC meet you can see 
the Green Rover and say hi.  I will be working the British Pacific booth. 
 If I have space I will set up the rear tent and shower tent.

Take care

         | TeriAnn Wakeman
         | twakeman@cruzers.com
         | http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman
         |
         | "The Green Rover"
         | 1960 109 two door
         | Expidition equipped
         |
         | _______     ____
      .==|"======="==='    `=============.
     /   |	                               \
     | ._|_______________________________. |
     |/  |    	___________________	    .. \|
    ,|___|____/ _________________ \____||__|,       
     | .-|-. | |	                | | .-||. |
     | | | | | |	                |'%,||||| |	
     | | | | | |                	| | ||||| |	
 _   | | | | | |_________________| | ||||| |  _	
(_)  | | | | |                    	| ||||| | (_)
   \ | `-|-' |        	==	        '% ||||' |/
   ,'====|===|=====================|=||||===` 
   |(o)  | 0||	        ||	        ||0||||(o)|
   |(o)  o  ||	        ||	        || ||||(o)|
   ||   ==  ||	        ||        	|| ||||  ||
   ||  ____ ||	        ||	        || ||||__||
   || |7050|||        	||	        || |____/||
   ||  ---- ||_________||_________||   ||  ||
   ||_______|______________________|___||__||
   | |	    |	        | _ |	         |	    | |
   |_|_____|_________[ - ]__________|_____|_| 
    | Land  |~~~~~~~~'~~~.___/~~~~ | Land  |
    |   /   |                      |   /   |
    | Rover |	                     | Rover |
    |_______|                    	 |_______|
     |\\~//|	                       |\\~//|
     |_\_/_|	                       |_\_/_|

  [Key -Dormobile top, military bummperettes,
   rear whip antenna, vertical rear mounted 
   hiLift jack, tail gate, side hinged lift gate]

------------------------------

From: Terje Krogdahl <tekr@nextel.no>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:55:21 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Re: Brake test lamp circuit

On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Adrian Redmond wrote:

> At last an "official" diagram of this circuit. (But my diff. valve
> switch is completely nylon, I guess one of the wires must ground it?

Completely nylon? Are you sure? Is not even the base of it metal? That is,
the part where the spanner to screw it in and out fits?

If it is all nylon, I guess it must be some aftermarket stuff. YMMV.

Terje Krogdahl
Norwegian Land Rover Club
http://www.land.rover.no
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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From: nlamon1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 05:48:41 -0500
Subject: "V8 powered motors"  ???

I've heared of motors running on electricity and fuel, but never V8....?

NL
1996 Auto
1985 Auto
1966 Truck
1975 Lawnmower
1997 Shredder
1972 Bicycle
1964 Skateboard

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From: Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:50:39 +0100
Subject: Re: V8 Pwrd Motors

Elwyn York wrote:
 
> "The figures where to compare the Defender TDi, Discovery TDi, Discovery &
> Defender V8, these figures where not to show off with, they were just for
> reference because the model could not be found on paper (What Car)
> The difference in speed to the discovery one would helped to find out the
> difference in economy, performance and overall ability.  this is a quite
> sensible question and doesnt deserve such closed minded answer"
> >>Me<<
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> can still bribe him to help me work on it.  "Lifts-for-work" usually work!
> PS. Is there a V8 Defender? apart from the specials?
In the UK, there is no standard, off-the-shelf V8 defender (as far as I
can remember)

We have a guy in our club with a special which will reach 60 in about 8
seconds - off-road!  It's a coil-sprung V8, 3.9 EFI & tuned. This thing
will actually fly if you hit a bump too hard :)

I have a 2.25 4-pot, head skimmed by 100 thou, and the pistons 30thou
oversized.  I can usually beat most things from the lights if I try, by
60mph takes a LONG time to reach.

Does he have details on stopping distances; max speed (on & off road);
axle articulation; ground clearence; approach- breakover- and
departure-angles?

0-60 acceleration is not realy of interest to vehicles who's design
philosophy is for low-speed, off-road work. Cars - yes, 4x4's - no
(unless you're a yuppie ;)

-- 
Ian Stuart
Computing Services
The University of Edinburgh

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