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From: nlamon1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:52:32 -0500
Subject: Buck Rivets

The buck is the heavy dead weight that is held against the head of a rivet
by the buckman while the rivet shank is being hammered/peened by the
riveter.

The buck "resists" the momentum of the action of hammering/peening.  Ever
here someone admonish a pusillanimous other with "Buck up!"
 
I love reading this list and others like it.  One can learn so much off
them.   Like rivets used to sell for a dollar ("buck") a bucket full, ergo
the name buck rivet. 

Ta Ta, Cheerio, Tee Hee

NL3

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From: asfco <asfco@banet.net>
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:01:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Buck Rivets

nlamon1@tiger.lsuiss.ocs.lsu.edu wrote:
> The buck is the heavy dead weight that is held against the head of a rivet

  Like rivets used to sell for a dollar ("buck") a bucket full, ergo
> the name buck rivet.
> Ta Ta, Cheerio, Tee Hee

Rivets still sell for a buck apiece...you get 'em thru R/N
>Rgsd
> Ta Ta, Cheerio, Tee Hee
Steve Bradke  68 lla 88
              72 lll 88 ( for Sale )
              96 Discovery

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From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:30:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Kodiak heater

   Apologies for the blatant commercial content, however I have a side entry
Kodiak heater that is excess to my restoration needs. If someone out there
is looking for one to upgrade their vehicle, contact me via E-mail
<Ruthrfrd@borg.com> Price is $300.00 obo. Located in Central NY

H.Rutherford
1962 swb SerIIa "Gromit"

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:26:55 +1000
Subject: Diesel Injectors

Oliver Gottlob wrote:
>As far as I know the Pressure is 135 Bar (Sorry I´dont know
>this in PSI).

1 Bar = 1 atmosphere = 14.7 psi
therefore
135 Bar = 135 atmospheres = 1985 psi

Regards,
Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
'86 Range Rover 4.8L "The Last Aquila"
check my web site at www.users.bigpond.com/hillman

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From: "Bob Sjonnesen" <bob@cancom.net>
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:07:40 -0400
Subject: Engine Fire - clean carburetor? - TW
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Well, looks like I have a major job ahead of me.  A friend called to =
tell me that a  white 109 from British Columbia was parked at our local =
beach.  So, I hopped in my '57 88" and drove down to see him.  Just as I =
was arriving at the beach I smelled some gas.  By the time I stopped the =
front end had burst into flame and was coming through the firewall.  =
Getting the fuel pump off stopped the gas from fueling the fire however =
I forgot the battery was still going strong.  I blasted the firewall =
with extinguisher which stopped the fire from entering the drivers =
compartment however ran out of extinguisher before I could complete the =
job under the hood.   The local fire dep't showed up and completed the =
job.

Hardly had a chance to talk to the owner of the 109" after that.  Had to =
organize towing, etc.  Looks like I now have to replace fuel lines and =
most other rubber, all wiring, distributor cap, battery, and voltage =
regulator.  Everything else looks o.k.  but we'll see as we go. One of =
the local garages has contributed some unused space for me to park and =
work on the vehicle.  My landlord was thrilled.

Quick question:  the carburetor took some good shots of extinguisher and =
water.  What's the best way to clean it up?  I'm sure I'll have many =
more questions while I work through this.  Thanks TeriAnn for info on =
wire gauges.

Cheers

Bob Sjonnesen
Elliot Lake, Ontario
bob@cancom.net
1957 Series l 88"
(705) 848-3094

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:20:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: whitworth wrenches

As where to buy these infernal things comes up from time to time,  I
thought I would pass along that Moss motors have Whitworth socket sets on
sale for 50% their normal price.  This means they only cost 50% more than
a normal set, instead of three times as much.

David

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From: christopher seaman <gpzrider98@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 09:52:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Straps

Hi everyone 
           Can anyone help me concerning what appears to be a pair of
canvas straps that run underneath the rear axle from the chassis.
1, Why are they there.
2, Apart from restricting axle articulation, what do they do,
3, I have,nt seen them on any other lanny so would I be better
removing them.

    Thanks in advance  Chris 

 

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 12:07:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Straps

On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, christopher seaman wrote:

> Hi everyone 
            Can anyone help me concerning what appears to be a pair of
 canvas straps that run underneath the rear axle from the chassis.

They are axle check straps.  They were put there by Land-Rover.  The claim
is that they lower the chance of roll-over.  Whether you ought to leave
them or not is a religious issue.  I am sure that you will hear a
different opinion from everyone you ask.

David

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:25:18
Subject: Re: Straps

	I think their real purpose is to prevent the drive shaft splines from
pulling completely out of the drive shaft on extreme articulation of the
axle.  Don't know how real the danger is but suggest the extreme off
roaders knock this around a bit from their experience.
	They would probably have the opposite effect of preventing roll over as
the down articulation is limited causing more lean.

At 12:07 PM 7/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, christopher seaman wrote:
>> Hi everyone 
>            Can anyone help me concerning what appears to be a pair of
> canvas straps that run underneath the rear axle from the chassis.
>They are axle check straps.  They were put there by Land-Rover.  The claim
>is that they lower the chance of roll-over.  Whether you ought to leave

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>different opinion from everyone you ask.
>David

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 13:28:22 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Straps

In a message dated 7/11/98 1:09:06 PM, David wrote:

>They are axle check straps.  They were put there by Land-Rover.  The claim
>is that they lower the chance of roll-over.  Whether you ought to leave
>them or not is a religious issue.  I am sure that you will hear a
>different opinion from everyone you ask.

Here's my differential onion: If the body goes over far enough that the straps
are pulled up against the axle (as in the body is rolling over, away from the
axle), won't the straps just help the axles go over with the body?

I have seen straps undersome other vehicles, but they had swing-axle rear
suspensions, and the straps limited axle travel to prevent the u-joints from
binding, so there it made sense. 

I guess they would help prevent wheel jacking too. Ever see those little
british sportscars going into a corner, braking, with the wheels tucked under
and the rear end way up in the air... scary sight.

Wouldn't the leaf springs support the axle if say one wheel was in the air
(off road, not cornering at high speed)?

Oh well, let's hear it from the strapless crowd (No parade references, please,
Ron...)

--pat.

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From: "duchanin" <duchanin@girdwood.net>
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:26:07 -0800
Subject: re: exhaust manifold problem
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If the manifolds weren't seperated, there may be a crack in the exhaust =
manifold. I had a manifold that was cracked where the intake mounts to =
it. You can not see it unless you seperate them and look carefully. I =
doubt that it was cracked during heating. Bolts are usually removed by =
drilling and retapping/easy out. Jim Duchanin

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From: "Huub Pennings" <HPS@FS1-KFIH.AZR.NL>
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:24:21 +0100
Subject:       Re: Straps

Hell roverists here is another different opinion.

I always thougt they were preventing damage to the cars shock 
absorbers. On full articulation they might snap them because the 
travel of the shock absorbers is less than the travel of unhindred 
leaf springs. 
Just my two cents worth..........
Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:41:49 -0400
Subject: Looking for =?iso-8859-1?Q?Marc=2DAndr=E9?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_?=

Can Marc-André Léger contact me private, my mail is getting bounced from his
e-mail address..

Thanks

Michel Bertrand
mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca

Michel Bertrand
						______
Rock Forest, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:52:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Straps

At 20:24 98-07-11 +0100, you wrote:
snip:>
I always thougt they were preventing damage to the cars shock 
absorbers. On full articulation they might snap them because the 
travel of the shock absorbers is less than the travel of unhindred 
leaf springs. 
Just my two cents worth..........
Regards,

end snip...

I agree with that. I don't have any check straps. When I went off-roading at
Mt.Radar, in Quebec, I ripped the left rear shock absorber mount off
Rudolph's frame. Let's say that the frame wasn't quite as strong as it left
the factory, but the strap might have avoided such a surprise. 

The worst part is that on the 100 mile trip back home, I didn't feel any
kind of difference in the handling of the truck...

Should I worry or just laugh about it? 

Salutations, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Rock Forest, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: John Mill <john@brimax.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:11:59 +0100
Subject: Re the 90hp 4 cylinder

<< Displacement of British car engines seems to have had more to do with
tax
 structure on the rainy island than on the needs of the export market.
 
 Paul Donohue >>

<<I do not think tax sructure has ever had anything to do with it (we
pay the
same vehicle tax (road fund licence) regardless of displacement). The
price of
fuel has encouraged more economical engines, Land Rover have never
worried
about that though.
Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybyid>>

There was say 5+ years ago a reason to have a smaller engined car in GB.
This only applied to company cars but the amount of benefit the taxman
said you gained was based on the cc of the vehicle. I think there were
three bands 1. 1400 and under 2. Over 1400 to 2 litre 3. 2 litre plus.

This obviously had an effect on what company car you would choose.

It may not have affected Landrover as I doubt that many would have been
bought as company cars nor I suppose were that many with option 1
engines...

The government then changed it to value of car on day bought (including
all extras) as they reckoned they could squeeze more money out of us. In
addition it was list price they used not the price that was actually
paid using fleet discounts.

On another note a friend of mine Russel Hallick has spent the last year
driving up from South Africa in a 109 to be at Billings. So if your
going there and you see a white (looks that to me) 109 with roof rack,
bull/side bars and burglar bars on the side windows say hello to him. He
has done 50,000Km in his meanderings to reach here with few mechanical
hitches. Sadly the engine fitted is a Toy*ta. 

John Mill
S plate 109 (Weekend toy)
M plate RR Vogue SE (Go to work toy)
 
-- 
John Mill

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From: Elwyn York <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:00:24 +0100
Subject: Powerful Engines

Hi Folks

OK. Heres it. Can you out there tell me the problems ect associated with
mating a V8 to a series motor, such as strains etc on g/box, axels,
halfshafts, diffs.

My mate has a Perkins 3L diesel, and my brother thinks my next engine
should be a V8.  Yeah, right! and he is gonna pay for it and the fuel? i
*dont* think so!

Anyway. Thats it.

Cheers for now

Elwyn (UK) 
S3 '72 (Dented) Lightweight. "Green Brick"
Eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk & Http://www.ey-eg.demon.co.uk

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From: "Andy Grafton" <brantxit@iafrica.com>
Date:          Sun, 12 Jul 1998 00:46:31 +0200
Subject:       Manifold woes

Olafur wrote;

>noise was still there as I had done nothing at all! - The manifold came off 
>again and I noticed that the face of the exhaust manifold was not completely 
>leveled off with the face of the inlet manifold - I was wondering if it is 
>supposed to be like 
>that or if it is possible that the garage heated the manifold to such extend 
>that it has warped.  In few words - I was just wondering what could have 

If you're talking about a 4 cyl petrol, the Aluminium inlet manifold 
is machined to be 'further away' from the cylinder head than the 
exhaust manifold when fitted.  I think this is so the exhaust manifold seals 
tighter on the head than the inlet (it has to 'cause of the pressure 
of the exhaust relative to the low differential pressure of the 
inlet).  You'll notice that the areas of the exhaust which push 
against the gasket are also smaller to ?help in this regard.

You have got a gasket in there, haven't you?

Hope this is at least partially accurate and helps...

As to the noise - further down the exhaust?  Perhaps the 
manifold-exhaust isn't sealing?  If it has one of those ball and 
socket efforts with 3 studs then sometimes the ball bit can be 
compressed/worn too small for the socket.

Hope this helps.

All the best,  

Andy 
brantxit@iafrica.com

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From: Elwyn York <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 00:47:10 +0100
Subject: V8 Powered Motors

Hi

Can anyone give me the 0-60 figures for a Series LR with V8, Defender V8
and Discovery V8?

Cheers
Elwyn
S3 '72 (Dented) Lightweight. "Green Brick"
Eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk & Http://www.ey-eg.demon.co.uk

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From: Elwyn York <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 00:52:42 +0100
Subject: Lightweights

Hi

While at a National Trust "Do" today, a bloke came over and started
chatting about LRs and LtWts.  He used to drive a lot in the 70's. looked
at mine and annoucned it was  a ffr due to all the holes in the wings etc
for radio antennaus?  but a, its 12v system, b, it doesnt have the rest of
the stuff associated and c, i dont think there is enough holes for arials.
If we are talking, ie, about 6 or so ariels, like cop cars, then i dont
have enough holes (well, the rain soon finds them anyways)

Anyone?

Cheers
Elwyn
S3 '72 (Dented) Lightweight. "Green Brick"
Eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk & Http://www.ey-eg.demon.co.uk

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:36:40 EDT
Subject: Re:  V8 Powered Motors

In a message dated 7/11/98 7:50:10 PM, you wrote:

>Can anyone give me the 0-60 figures for a Series LR with V8, Defender V8
>and Discovery V8?

Isn't this a case of long, longer, longest? (not in that order, obviously)

My V8 powered, manual transmissioned, LR won't out-accelerate much. Once it is
in 3rd, 4th, 5th, the gears seem longer and the vehicle is already moving so
it doesn't seem to stress things as much if I put the pedal down. One thing I
won't do is try to keep up with cars out of stop-lights; I always enjoy the
look on (usually BMW) drivers' faces as they approach the rear x-member when I
shift from 1st to 2nd just after starting off... the 110 has just started
moving, when it slows down for the shift, and they have their gas pedals
nailed. hehehe. It ain't no car-like-automatic-transmissioned SUV they're
following... plus, I'm the last person to rush about anywhere.

 If you are looking to speed-up the acceleration of the LR by dropping a V8
into it, you may want to put an auto tranny in as well; try speed shifting LR
manual transmissions and they won't last long.

What's to hurry for anyway? 

--pat.

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:36:27 +0200
Subject: Re: V8 Powered Motors

I have just fitted free wheel hubs (AVM's) easy to fit and simple to
maintain by the look of it.... but, my gearbox makes more noise when I
have set the hubs to 4x2. It sounds as if the transfer box is whining
when the hubs are unlocked, but the noise dissappears when the hubs are
locked.

Any ideas out there?

Adrian Redmond

CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
telephone (office)                  +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)                    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data                +45 86 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)               +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)                  +45 40 54 22 66
mobile NMT                          +45 30 86 75 66
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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:25:15 +0200
Subject: Re: Straps

The two straps are intended to absorbe moisture (ideally from salty
winter roads) so that the eight 5/16" UNF bolts which hold the straps on
rust, making axle removal even more tiresome. The straps are also good
for ensuring rust on the chassis flanges which support the straps, these
flanges can hold at least 4 liters of snow.

A secondary purpose for straps is that they serve a similar purpose to
Free wheel hubs, winches, bull bars and overdrive - their true value and
purpose can only be defined by the owner, advice sought from others on
such accessories will always produce contrary opinion.

They also (imho) prevent the axles from straining the springs and shocks
when flying in mud.

Cheers...

Adrian Redmond

CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
telephone (office)                  +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)                    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data                +45 86 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)               +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)                  +45 40 54 22 66
mobile NMT                          +45 30 86 75 66
e-mail                       channel6@post2.tele.dk
Visit our homepages!                www.channel6.dk

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 98 19:20:05 -0700
Subject: Re: Powerful Engines

>OK. Heres it. Can you out there tell me the problems ect associated with
;>mating a V8 to a series motor, such as strains etc on g/box, axels,
;>halfshafts, diffs.

When Rover dropped a Buick V8 into a Land Rover they swapped out the 
transmission and the rear end.  That should be a hint.  Folk lore has it 
that the series gear box is reliable up to 140 HP.  The stock Rover axle 
has a hard time with the stock 4 cylinder.

The good news is that the transfer case and prop shafts are robust.  Swap 
in a Salisbury rear end and you only have to deal with the transmission 
and the Yanks shouting that swapping out a Rover engine is sac religious.

The easiest would be to find a transmission that came with an engine that 
you like then deal with adapting the transmission to the transfer case.  
Well i guess the easiest way to to purchase an already engineered 
conversion kit.

Best of luck!

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: Lawrence Lee <lawrencelee_tc@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:13:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Straps

---christopher seaman <gpzrider98@yahoo.com> wrote:

>            Can anyone help me concerning what appears to be a pair of
> canvas straps that run underneath the rear axle from the chassis.

I was changing my road springs yesterday, and found the straps to be
holding up suspension travel in the rear of my 109. Released them so
that I can fit the other end of the spring on to its hanger. Found
that without this checkstrap, I could lower the axle to a point where
the rear propshaft is pressing against the chassis, and yet have more
suspension travel to spare (removed the shockers from the bottom
mounting plate and extended them to find another 2inch more travel)

Although I do not forsee in any situation, having the axle fall at
such a rapid rate that it will damage the propshaft (not with working
shock absorbers attached) I figure having the straps there to
physically prevent something of this nature from happening to be a
good idea. With my straps attached, I lose about half inch of
articulation, which I figured can easily be addressed with creative
loading, as opposed to having to resort to creative propshaft
balancing if I were to go without.

Just my 2 bits worth
==
Lawrence Lee
Blk 22, Sin Ming Road, # 11-216
Singapore 570022
Tel: (65) 456 7815   Mobile: 9 684 3678

Land Rover SerIII 109, 2.6l   "Kerbau"
A Malay name for Water Buffalo. One that PREFERS to stay in mud.

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From: Elwyn York <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:19:15 +0100
Subject: Re: V8 Powered Motors

Hi All

My brother wants to know, he says it is stupid not to have these figures...
I tried to tell him mine takes about 15 minutes (especially in hot
weather-as i only go above 45 downhill!

Cheers
Elwyn

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From: Lawrence Lee <lawrencelee_tc@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:34:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 109 Ride Height

Hi all,

Spent the day changing road springs on the 109. Chassis Bushes were
the hardest to replace :-(

Sadly, after having the new springs fitted, I find that :

1) the front is still sitting higher than the rear

2) the vehicle still noticeably lists to the passenger side

As I had changed the springs in an effort to right these problems, I
had failed miserably. Can anybody tell me if there is a special way to
set the springs to ensure a level vehicle?

Someone suggested getting my chassis checked for alignment, as I had a
listing rover since the day I bought it.

Also, is it natural for a rover to ride bow high?

Any thoughts appreciated.

==
Lawrence Lee
Blk 22, Sin Ming Road, # 11-216
Singapore 570022
Tel: (65) 456 7815   Mobile: 9 684 3678

Land Rover SerIII 109, 2.6l   "Kerbau"
A Malay name for Water Buffalo. One that PREFERS to stay in mud.

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From: "Micky Cormack" <Micky101@email.msn.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:27:27 +0100
Subject: Re: Straps

>>            Can anyone help me concerning what appears to be a pair of
>> canvas straps that run underneath the rear axle from the chassis.

I always thought axle check straps were to stop you leaving the axle behind
when it falls off...  :)

They are also an MOT failure point if they are fitted and in poor condition.
If they're not fitted, they don't fail.

Cheers,

Micky
(101 in bits)

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From: "Micky Cormack" <Micky101@email.msn.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:25:10 +0100
Subject: Re: 109 Ride Height

>Hi all,
>Spent the day changing road springs on the 109. Chassis Bushes were
>the hardest to replace :-(
>Sadly, after having the new springs fitted, I find that :

>2) the vehicle still noticeably lists to the passenger side
>Spent the day changing road springs on the 109. Chassis Bushes were
All Series Landys are supposed to list to the passenger side. It's so that
when the driver gets in, it sits level. In theory.  :)

Plus there is the 1" tolerance in the suspension on a Landy....

Cheers,

Micky 101

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From: "Micky Cormack" <Micky101@email.msn.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:31:45 +0100
Subject: Re: V8 Powered Motors

>>Can anyone give me the 0-60 figures for a Series LR with V8, Defender V8
>>and Discovery V8?
>Isn't this a case of long, longer, longest? (not in that order, obviously)
>My V8 powered, manual transmissioned, LR won't out-accelerate much. Once it

is
>in 3rd, 4th, 5th, the gears seem longer and the vehicle is already moving
so
>it doesn't seem to stress things as much if I put the pedal down. One thing
I
>won't do is try to keep up with cars out of stop-lights;

Thats one thing I did enjoy doing... when I could afford the petrol.
Starting in second from the lights, anything was fair game up to about
30mph. Then changing gear made it all go horribly wrong. Used to make a
lovely noise  - Lincoln High Street on a busy Saturday, foot down away from
the lights, people noticed... :)

Cheers

Micky
(101 in bits)

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