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From: "LT S. ROCHNA" <rochnas@stennis.navy.mil>
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 14:57:41 +0000
Subject: Lost messages

Hey all:

Has anyone been having their messages cut off?  The list for 5 Jul 
contained only about 1/3 the messages listed in the contents.  Don't 
know wheather or not the problem is this end.

Thanks - Steve

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From: Frode Hultgren <fhultgr@online.no>
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 14:23:58 +0200
Subject: LR cap/gear?

Does anywhone know where i can get the cap that is on the picture in LRO
July issue page 41?

Frode
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From: Elwyn <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 13:25:10 +0100
Subject: Re: Lost messages

At 14:57 05/07/98 +0000, you wrote:

Hey all:

Has anyone been having their messages cut off?  The list for 5 Jul 
contained only about 1/3 the messages listed in the contents.  Don't 
know wheather or not the problem is this end.

Thanks - Steve

I have noticed that too. For some reason, on a Friday and Sunday, there is
a distinctive lag in messages. They all come back in a rush on monday. It
could be cos a lot of the people have access through work or that they do
other things on weekends, rather than emailing. Like fixing the eternal
problems on landrovers? I know i do!

Cheers
Elwyn
S3 '72 (Dented) Lightweight. "Green Brick"
Eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk & Http://www.ey-eg.demon.co.uk

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:53:00 EDT
Subject: Re: LR cap/gear?

In a message dated 05/07/98 13:26:17 BST, you write:

 Does anywhone know where i can get the cap that is on the picture in LRO
 July issue page 41?
  >>
In the UK from your local Land Rover dealer - don't know about Norway I'm
afraid.

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Elwyn <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 18:05:01 +0100
Subject: Inspection Light Sockets

Hi

On my S3 there are 2 Inspection Light Sockets, also on the S2's.  I know it
has been before so can anyone tell me the Lucas Part Nos for these
connections?

Cheers for now

Elwyn York
S3 '72 (Dented) Lightweight. "Green Brick"
Eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk & Http://www.ey-eg.demon.co.uk

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From: christopher seaman <gpzrider98@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:29:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?')

what exactly are JATO packs

---Elwyn <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> At 18:49 04/07/98 -0300, you wrote:
> christopher seaman wrote:
>  you could get 100mph+ with a Beachy Head conversion.
>  ---"\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com> wrote:
> >600 ft even straight down won't get  a Land Rover over 100 mph!!!
> >   John and Muddy

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From: Elwyn <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 20:09:48 +0100
Subject: Re: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?')

At 11:29 05/07/98 -0700, you wrote:
>what exactly are JATO packs

Jet Assisted Take Off

It is what C-130 planes use to get off the ground when they have a
too-short runway or stuff (correct me if i am wrong). They can get you up
to a hundred or few mph in a very short space of time!!!

Cheers
EY
S3 '72 (Dented) Lightweight. "Green Brick"
Eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk & Http://www.ey-eg.demon.co.uk

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From: christopher seaman <gpzrider98@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:46:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?')

Where can I get a conversion plate for one of these JATO packs. Does
anyone know if JSF stock these off the shelf.
                      Chris 
Series 2a 1965

---Elwyn <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> At 11:29 05/07/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >what exactly are JATO packs
> Jet Assisted Take Off

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> It is what C-130 planes use to get off the ground when they have a
> too-short runway or stuff (correct me if i am wrong). They can get
you up
> to a hundred or few mph in a very short space of time!!!
> Cheers
> EY
> S3 '72 (Dented) Lightweight. "Green Brick"
> Eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk & Http://www.ey-eg.demon.co.uk
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> to a hundred or few mph in a very short space of time!!!

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 09:47:14
Subject: Re: JATO

Jet Assisted Take Off.  The are actually small rocket motors that could be
attached to planes to drastically shorten take off distance by giving a
major propulsion boost.  Extremely effective but exciting as they sometimes
did not ignite evenly.  Made life very interesting when they would fire on
one side of the aircraft and not the other.  One of those things the
military experimented with but used very sparingly and probably not at all
except under war time conditions.  Does the term "they were expendable"
have a ring here.

At 11:29 AM 7/5/98 -0700, you wrote:
>what exactly are JATO packs
>---Elwyn <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> At 18:49 04/07/98 -0300, you wrote:
>> christopher seaman wrote:

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 09:49:00
Subject: Re: JATO

Jet Assisted Take Off.  The are actually small rocket motors that could be
attached to planes to drastically shorten take off distance by giving a
major propulsion boost.  Extremely effective but exciting as they sometimes
did not ignite evenly.  Made life very interesting when they would fire on
one side of the aircraft and not the other.  One of those things the
military experimented with but used very sparingly and probably not at all
except under war time conditions.  Does the term "they were expendable"
have a ring here.

At 11:29 AM 7/5/98 -0700, you wrote:
>what exactly are JATO packs
>---Elwyn <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> At 18:49 04/07/98 -0300, you wrote:
>> christopher seaman wrote:

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From: "Richard L. Ziegler" <rziegler@sover.net>
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 15:51:48 -0400
Subject: Clutch or lack thereof

Lawrence,
	Some thoughts on your problem of not being able to get into gear due to
lack of clutch action:
	1st when you put in the slave cylinder did you put the bleed screw so it
was above the input hose.  If you didn't then all the air cannot be
expelled and you have air in the system.  Of course you are not complaining
of a spongy pedal so I doubt this is the problem but I mention it as I have
seen this mistake made before on SIII vehicles.
	2nd does your clutch master cylinder push rod have about 1/16th inch 
free
play?  When you adjust the two nuts on the rod you should have 1/16th inch
of movement before the rod hits the piston.  If the piston in the master
cylinder is being held back then the seal at the reservoir opening is not
permitting fluid to return to the reservoir and you are effectively pumping
the clutch system up with fluid thus causing the slave cylinder to remain
extended resulting in the clutch pressure plate not engaging the driven
plate.
	3rd if the above two items are as they should be then your idea of a
driven disk stuck to the flywheel is not out of the question, most
especially if you are in a humid area, which I suspect you are.
Happy Rovering,
Rich Ziegler, L/R mechanic   '63 88 SIIA pet. (in pieces) '74 88 SIII HT
pet. daily driver '73 88 SIII pet. (awaiting chassis)
3 Hill Pond Road
Rutland, VT. 05701-3741
802-773-1585

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 17:05:02 -0400
Subject: Seatbelts

Mike, I am unable to comment about the wisdom of mounting the seatbelt to
the bulkhead. This was Rovers standard practise in the past

 A roll bar for a 109 is not a complicated affair. It is necessary to add a
spacer ( somewhere around 6" or so from memory )  between the top of the
frame and the floor just behind the seat bulkhead. The spacers should be
bolted to the frame.   A bar can then be fastened to the spacers  with the
floor clamped between.  Rear bars can also be mounted through the floor with
an approx 3/4 ' spacer between the floor and the top of the frame.   The
alternative is to cut holes in the floor , this  is very messy.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: Elwyn <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 22:34:24 +0100
Subject: Re: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?')

At 12:46 05/07/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Where can I get a conversion plate for one of these JATO packs. Does
>anyone know if JSF stock these off the shelf.
>                      Chris 
>Series 2a 1965

You could try the MoD/DoD. The Air Division. I have heard that RAF St.
Athens, near Cardiff, are disposing of a few. I am not sure of the fitting
though!

Dont be like the prat who boosted his truck into the side of the hill -
choose a quiet motorway somewhere, not wales. The roads are too twisty to
acheive take-off speed. (130mph+ w/o wings, just aerofoils)

Byee
EY
S3 '72 (Dented) Lightweight. "Green Brick"
Eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk & Http://www.ey-eg.demon.co.uk

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From: Elwyn <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 22:34:23 +0100
Subject: Re: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?')

At 12:46 05/07/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Where can I get a conversion plate for one of these JATO packs. Does
>anyone know if JSF stock these off the shelf.
>                      Chris 
>Series 2a 1965

You could try the MoD/DoD. The Air Division. I have heard that RAF St.
Athens, near Cardiff, are disposing of a few. I am not sure of the fitting
though!

Dont be like the prat who boosted his truck into the side of the hill -
choose a quiet motorway somewhere, not wales. The roads are too twisty to
acheive take-off speed. (130mph+ w/o wings, just aerofoils)

Byee
EY
S3 '72 (Dented) Lightweight. "Green Brick"
Eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk & Http://www.ey-eg.demon.co.uk

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From: "Christian Szpilfogel" <Christian.Szpilfogel.chrisz@nt.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 17:42:38 -0400
Subject: re; Galvanized bulkhead

One thing I would add to this is to not fill the captive nuts or other holes
with
a bolt. Just tap them out instead (it doesn't take long); and the vent
hinges
can be drilled out fairly easy. Having used a frame, I had to get the old
bolts
out of the frame mounting holes and that was pretty difficult. I'm pretty
sure
that trying to get bolts out of the other captive nuts would probably do
more
damage then just tapping them.

-Christian
--------
Christian Szpilfogel
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada    (chrisz@nortel.ca)
'72 SIII 88"
'83 LR110
'98 Discovery

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 18:37:20 EDT
Subject: Re: JATO

In a message dated 7/5/98 3:50:37 PM, you wrote:

>One of those things the
>military experimented with but used very sparingly and probably not at all
>except under war time conditions.  Does the term "they were expendable"
>have a ring here.

I last saw a JATO/RATO assisted take off here in Miami at Opa-Locka Airport in
1992 or 93. I was watching a C-130 taxiing to the end of the runway, and
didn't think anything special about it, except for the fact that the tower
cleared it to 600 feet, and suspended incoming helo flights (I was awaiting an
outbound clearance). The Herk's engines were at full power when black smoke
poured from the wheel well areas, and the thing bolted down the runway. About
1/3 - 1/2 of the way down the strip, it just pulled up and climbed to about
300 feet before levelling off to gain airspeed which it looked to be lacking
in a big way; but, it was high, and didn't use hardly any runway at all...  LR
content, well, none really, I doubt he'd have done that with a LR in the
back...

--pat.

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 16:55:59 -0600
Subject: Re: Can't get into gear

Lawrence,

Try a few things...
1) Confirm that the clutch master cylinder bushing is facing the correct
direction. If it was a rebuild and they put the bushing in backwards you'll
get no "preasure" out of the cylinder.

2) If you think it might be the plates rusting up...try a)to start it in
gear and confirm that there is any friction at all. b) as it's a series3
remove the tunnel cover, floor etc. and find the three retaining spring
portals that retain the coupler fork...these bits hold the gears in when
under drive. If they have gone bad, you may not be getting the correct gear
action in the tranny.

3)Confim that there is no...NO air in the clutch fluid lines...even the
smallest bubble can screw the hydrolics.

4) Get out the BIG F%&^% Hammer and give the Trany a great WACK!

Good luck

John

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> From: Lawrence Lee <lawrencelee_tc@yahoo.com>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: Can't get into gear
> Date: Saturday, July 04, 1998 7:50 AM
> If anybody is out there on this festive day, I'd be grateful for any

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> Land Rover SerIII 109, 2.6l   "Kerbau"
> A Malay name for Water Buffalo. One that PREFERS to stay in mud.

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:49:51 EDT
Subject: Re: JATO

Aaaaahhhhh...good 'ol JATO rockets - I remember them well...

They come in handy during botched LAPES runs, as well as the sudden go-around.

Charles

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:00:10 -0400
Subject: Re: JATO

Where can I get a conversion plate for one of these JATO packs. Does
anyone know if JSF stock these off the shelf.
                      Chris
Series 2a 1965

OK, here's the skinny on these.

Taylor Industries in the US, bless their black little hearts, did a
conversion for Rovers using this technology. However, rather than using the
standard JATO pack as known and hated by Air Forces the world over, they
did a rail mount for the top rails of the back box, so that the motors
could be jettisoned after the run-up to speed.

These never worked really well, mostly because the APGP back box wasn't
really strong enough to take the stress of the rebuilt Sidewinder motors
they used for the conversion.

I do know, however, that at least 2 sets of the rails and mounts still
exist, probably in storage here at Rovers North in the US. Check with Lanny
- he might make you a deal on them...

     aj"Synchronizing rocket motors...eeeewwwwww...."r

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From: Mark Perry <cmperry@autobahn.mb.ca>
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 20:50:50 +0000
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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 21:49:22 EDT
Subject: Re: JATO

Chris,

Apparently, you didn't hear about that "chap" in Arizona, who strapped a JATO
onto his Chevy... the locals who found the wreckage on the hillside, thought
it was a plane crash!

Charles

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From: "The Stockdales" <mstockdale@mho.net>
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:39:36 -0600
Subject: Seatbelts on a series

FWIW here is my solution to putting seatbelts on a series
vehicle.

Go to you favorite Rock Climbing Store and buy four (4)
"silver snails"  commonly known as bolt hangers.  Drill
through the rear bulkhead to seat box ledge, and bolt them
in.  For even more strength, bolt them into the frame
x-member just below.    Attach any seatbelt you may find.
Mine are 4" wide racing belts I had in my old Mustang GT
Trans AM racer.  Saved my life once and will hopefully do it
again.   My belts clip to the brackets just fine, and have
held me in very well.  (90 deg lay over)

Hope this helps, why mess with 2" Jap belts, and a Mickey
mouse set-up?

Mitch and the Red Dinosaur

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 23:39:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?') 

In message <bulk.20416.19980705120957@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:
> It is what C-130 planes use to get off the ground when they have a
> too-short runway or stuff (correct me if i am wrong). They can get you up
> to a hundred or few mph in a very short space of time!!!

	More that that.  When I first heard of the net-legend about the
car and teh JATO, I pulled some data I had on JATO thrusts.  If you
attached a JATO to a 3000 lb car and lit it off, the car would be be
accellerated by a few *hundred* Gs for duration of the JATO burn.    

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 00:02:44 -0500
Subject: Re: seat belts 

In message <bulk.28479.19980704092819@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you write:

> Isn't this just asking for a broken collarbone (or worse)?  I've never
> put 3-points in the TR-4 for this reason.  

	It seems to me that using the LR bulkhead 3 point seatbelt vs just
a lapbelt is a decision between 2 evils.  I was in a accident in an older
car with just a  lap belt and ended up face planting into the front (cushioned)
seat.  The impact caused my glasses to cause a large laceration near my eye
and broke my nose.

	Now, I agree that the 3 point will probaby break the collar bone.
But with a lap belt, you will probably hit the steering wheel with your chest 
or face or dash with your face.  Which is worse?  You pick your poison.

	But both choices are better then not wearing one.  I've pulled way too
many bloody pulps out of wrecks on backboards because they weren't wearing
a seatbelt.

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: "Huub Pennings" <hps@fs1-kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:18:56 +0100
Subject: Re: Land Rovers for Auction on the Web

Hello,

I just had a look at the ex-military (Belgium) LR's, for sale by 
auction. 
I doubt if the pictures fit the described vehicles.(Are lightweights 
that heavy?) The description fits the one I bought this year nicely 
(SIII )if any of you wants one of those just E-mail me, I could get 
you one for 2500 US$ easily, just put them on a boat and sail them 
over..........
Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:32:51 +0000
Subject: Re: Inner Hub Bearing Stuck

Hmm, the hub doesn't want to come off.

So, no I'm stuck with the inner bearing sitting on
>the axle, not wanting to budge. Turn it does, but
>the inner surface it runs on will not come off.
Oh dear.......
If its anything like mine was,its a new stub axle.What happened
was that,like yours the hub would turn perfectly OK,but it
wouldnt come off.It was the oil seal that was stopping it.
Walloping the thing eventually got it off,but the oil seal stayed put
on the stub axle.I never did get the bearing off.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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