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1 Hank Rutherford [ruthrfr35Fitting Seat Belts
2 Hank Rutherford [ruthrfr14Galvanised Bulkhead
3 "Jeffrey Jackson" [jcjcj17Looking for Neil Sheridan's e-mail address
4 "Jeffrey Jackson" [jcjcj16Smoke gets in your eyes (well, their eyes, actually)
5 christopher seaman [gpzr20Re: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?')
6 christopher seaman [gpzr23Re: Re-Breckland LRC 50 th
7 "William L. Leacock" [wl16Clarion Radio
8 Lawrence Lee [lawrencele18happy holidays
9 "William L. Leacock" [wl15seat belts
10 QROVER80@aol.com 36Re: Clarion Radio
11 Lawrence Lee [lawrencele29Can't get into gear
12 "William L. Leacock" [wl13Axle shaft survey
13 "Wolfe, Charles" [CWolfe17RE: Can't get into gear
14 SPYDERS@aol.com 28Re: Clarion Radio
15 "Micky Cormack" [Micky1019Re: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?')
16 Frankelson@aol.com 21Re: Mysterious, Superfluous Hole - Gauges
17 Frankelson@aol.com 23Re: Fitting Seat Belts
18 TeriAnn Wakeman [twakema97slow 2-1/4L engine...but it ran long hard trips
19 MRogers315@aol.com 32 Seatbelts UK
20 "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti12Re: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?')
21 "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti27seat belts
22 Axel Pawlik [axelpawlik@25Inner Hub Bearing Stuck
23 DONOHUEPE@aol.com 31Language
24 christopher seaman [gpzr20Re: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?')
25 Dennis [dennis@i-lab.de>23Santana Break Cylinder
26 john cranfield [john.cra23Re: Can't get into gear
27 "Peter & Julie Rosvall" 15Keonig Clutch.....
28 john cranfield [john.cra19Re: Smoke gets in your eyes (well, their eyes, actually)
29 john cranfield [john.cra20Re: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?')
30 Adrian Redmond [channel624Re: Galvanised Bulkhead
31 Bill Morrow [wmmorrow@so18Land Rovers for Auction on the Web
32 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com 14Confession/4th of July
33 Faye and Peter Ogilvie [20Re: Land Rovers for Auction on the Web
34 "John C. Hinkle" [defend8Re: Land Rovers for Auction on the Web
35 Frankelson@aol.com 31Re: slow 2-1/4L engine...but it ran long hard trips
36 Frankelson@aol.com 29Re: Land Rovers for Auction on the Web
37 verksted@juno.com (Tim S100It's July 4th, Mr. Whitworth
38 Adrian Redmond [channel671Brake test lamp circuit
39 Elwyn [eyork@ey-eg.demon19Re: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?')
40 TeriAnn Wakeman [twakema40Re: slow 2-1/4L engine...but it ran long hard trips
41 Lawrence Lee [lawrencele28Re: Can't get into gear


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From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 07:51:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fitting Seat Belts

   I am fast approaching the seat belt part of my swb IIa restoration so
this is a good opportunity to add my two cents worth and to ask some questions. 

*In my experience with open top cars, it is ill advised to install 3 point
belts if there is no roll over protection, i.e. roll bar. A rollover would
be deadly. This would apply to open series vehicles and those with soft top
rails. This makes the question of what to do with the third mounting point
on a softtop vehicle moot. 
* Rollbars in close proximity to the drivers head can do serious damage to
owners skull in a side or oblique rear impact. Of course, a rear impact is
damaging regardless due to no headrest. 
*VW Rabbit lapbelts are a good alternative to the originals and rarely give
difficulty, although being submerged in muddy water will nodoubt modify
their behavior. The rear belts are retractable lap belts. 
*Most vehicle events involving high performance antics (no Land-Rover
content) require belts to be worn even if they were not originally
installed, similar to the requirement for *helmets*. Insurance and concern
for participants welfare is a funny thing.

*I am considering installing headrest seats and 4 point belts in my truck.
The logic is that when soft-topping it, I will use the lap belt only, and
when the hardtop is on, or I decide to install a rollbar, the shoulder belts
can be used. They can be mounted to the galvanised brace behind the seats.
Does anyone have experience doing this in a swb IIa? 
*Has anyone purchased seats from advertisers in LROI? What is the quality? 
What company is recommended?

Ruthrfrd@borg.com
62 SWB IIA "Gromit"

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From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 07:58:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Galvanised Bulkhead 

The thread on bulkhead galvanising has me wondering, how do I keep the door
hinge nut plates from becoming "welded" to the doorposts, preventing hinge
adjustment? This is the only thing that prevents me from following an ever
growing group experiencing "eternal bulkheadedness". This doesn"t apply to
SerIII's as they use a removeable nutplate installed from the outside.

Ruthrfrd@borg,com
62 SWB SERIIA "Gromit"

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From: "Jeffrey Jackson" <jcjcj88@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 08:38:15 -0400
Subject: Looking for Neil Sheridan's e-mail address

Sorry for the bandwidth, but I've lost Neil Sheridan's address; if anyone
has it, thanks in advance for sending it to me off-line.  Time to start
making plans for Greek Peak.

BTW, I've transferred jobs and my new address is jcjcj88@email.msn.com

Good to be back on the list.

Jeff Jackson
Waterford, CT
73 SIII 88 (Camilla)

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From: "Jeffrey Jackson" <jcjcj88@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 08:44:01 -0400
Subject: Smoke gets in your eyes (well, their eyes, actually)

Camilla has a tired petrol 2.25 (nearly 200K on the clock) which runs
cleanly at speed but emits a puff of oil smoke when accelerating from a
stop.  Oil psi is OK (45 or so at "cruising speed", 20 at idle).

Is this the symptom of a bad exhaust valve?

Rgds,

Jeff
Waterford, CT

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From: christopher seaman <gpzrider98@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 06:12:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?')

you could get 100mph+ with a Beachy Head conversion.

---"\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com> wrote:
> >>>>> "Richard" == Richard Marsden <Richard> writes:
>     Richard> Well, I get 60mph no problem - 70mph under the
>     Richard> right conditions in a 109" with the 2.25l petrol
>     Richard> engine.  You didn't say whether you had petrol or
>     Richard> diesel...

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 26 lines)]
> 							-MM
>   ** 'lro' mailing list information from
'majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net'
> >>>>> "Richard" == Richard Marsden <Richard> writes:

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From: christopher seaman <gpzrider98@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 06:26:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Re-Breckland LRC 50 th

Bronze Green with envy.

---MRogers315@aol.com wrote:
> Christopher 
> I went along on Sunday and it was quite good, plenty of trade stands

and an
> auction 3pm. Exelent off road course, better in fact than other fun
days held
> at Bircham. Only downer was that it was rather poorly attended.
> Does this make you bronze green with envy or just a little NATO matt.
> Mike Rogers
> Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid
>   ** 'lro' mailing list information from

'majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net'
> at Bircham. Only downer was that it was rather poorly attended.

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 09:38:26 -0400
Subject: Clarion Radio

I have a Clarion model 9770RT. I filed the insytuction book away in a safe
place, so safe in fact that I cannot find it !!
 Can anyone help me with the color code for the connecting wires ?
 There are several groups of wires,1) a  red, a black and a yellow fused
wire. 2 ) a grey, a purple a green and a white 3)  a blue/ white. a
purple/black  a green / black a white / black and a grey black. two grey
wires with phone plugs marked r and l which I assume are the speaker
connections.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: Lawrence Lee <lawrencelee_tc@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 06:43:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: happy holidays

To all American Listers,

Best wishes on your Independence Day 

==
Lawrence Lee
Blk 22, Sin Ming Road, # 11-216
Singapore 570022
Tel: (65) 456 7815   Mobile: 9 684 3678

Land Rover SerIII 109, 2.6l   "Kerbau"
A Malay name for Water Buffalo. One that PREFERS to stay in mud.

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 09:53:05 -0400
Subject: seat belts

>Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you fit seatbelts properly in a
soft-top like my 109"?
								-MM

 Rover part # 395252 and straps 395254 and 55. It is basically a plate with
a weld nut to take the belt fixing. It fastens on the top of the seat
bulkhead.  ( low level as a opposed to higth level for hard tops etc.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: QROVER80@aol.com
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 09:49:44 EDT
Subject: Re:  Clarion Radio

I THINK that the wiring codes are as follows.

 There are several groups of wires,1) a  red, a black and a yellow fused

Red, to Igniton switched +
Black, Radio ground PROBABLY NOT speaker ground BTW if it dosen't allready
have one you should put a fuse in this circut too. 
Fused yellow, Constant + for the pre set memory and clock

wire.
 2 ) a grey, a purple a green and a white 
These are your speaker connections front ??

3)  a blue/ white. a
purple/black  a green /
These are your speaker connections rear ??
 black a white / black and a grey black
Probably speaker grounds front and rear. ??

 
two grey
wires with phone plugs marked r and l which I assume are the speaker
connections.
Those are pre amp outs for an external amplifier.  NOT regular speaker
outlets. 
Don't worry too much about the speaker connections they can be sorted out by
trial and error. Sort of like my normal Rover maintence :-)
Quintin Aspin
Oldest rover 80" at LRNA :-)
Hey I got a cool dinky 80" for that so don't laugh. 

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From: Lawrence Lee <lawrencelee_tc@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 06:50:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Can't get into gear

If anybody is out there on this festive day, I'd be grateful for any
advice.

The Rover refuses to get in gear!

Changed clutch slave and have on a relatively new (less than 1000km)
master pump. Adjusted freeplay to its max, but still I cannot get it
into gear with the engine running.

Any thoughts, advice warmly welcome. 

Hoping to go offroad tomorrow :-(

Thanks.

==
Lawrence Lee
Blk 22, Sin Ming Road, # 11-216
Singapore 570022
Tel: (65) 456 7815   Mobile: 9 684 3678

Land Rover SerIII 109, 2.6l   "Kerbau"
A Malay name for Water Buffalo. One that PREFERS to stay in mud.

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 09:56:39 -0400
Subject: Axle shaft survey

I have lost count of the short rear axle shafts that I have broken, must be
dozens. I have only broken one long one. I am a skinflint so I only replace
the broken ones. Tried to use genuine, not always certain that I got
genuine. Also used a lot of pre stressed ones !!!
 I have broken several front shafts, but only the short ones.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@SMDC.ORG>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 09:20:16 -0500
Subject: RE: Can't get into gear

It sounds like the flexible hose might be bad.  They tend to deteriorate
and can act like ball valve.

Cwolfe

C. R. Wolfe M.D.
Emergency Medicine
Sun Dog Kennels						SMDC
Grouse and Woodcock English Setters				Duluth,
MN
Alborn, MN

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:35:17 EDT
Subject: Re:  Clarion Radio

In a message dated 7/4/98 9:37:16 AM, you wrote:

> There are several groups of wires,1) a  red, a black and a yellow fused
>wire. 2 ) a grey, a purple a green and a white 3)  a blue/ white. a
>purple/black  a green / black a white / black and a grey black. two grey
>wires with phone plugs marked r and l which I assume are the speaker
>connections.

My *Guesses*

Red, +ive power (switched off key?)
Black, -ive
Yellow, direct to + for "memory"
2) ??
3) probably directl wired to speakers, with a center channel or bass channel
two grey wires with phono plugs, pre-amp line output (needs to be hooked up to
an amp)

Maybe if you call Crutchfield they can clarify clarion wiring... they have a
wwwsite...

--pat

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From: "Micky Cormack" <Micky101@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 14:50:28 +0100
Subject: Re: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?')

>you could get 100mph+ with a Beachy Head conversion.

My father's IIA Lightweight used to do 100+mph. 0-60 in about 10 seconds...

He sometimes used to act as closing car on local motor rallies, scaring the
living daylights of the tail-enders in their Escorts and Chevettes. He might
have overtaken them if all 8 cylinders kept working at the same time and the
alternator actually alternated...

Cheers,

Micky
(101 in bits)

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:48:46 EDT
Subject: Re: Mysterious, Superfluous Hole - Gauges

In a message dated 03/07/98 15:19:12 BST, you write:

<<  but who wants
 a clock in a Series vehicle. >>

David,
you use the hour hand to time the 0-60 mph.....

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:48:50 EDT
Subject: Re: Fitting Seat Belts

In a message dated 04/07/98 12:54:21 BST, you write:

<< Does anyone have experience doing this in a swb IIa? 
 *Has anyone purchased seats from advertisers in LROI? What is the quality? 
 What company is recommended?
  >>

Trakers are superb quality - but the most expensive. Still yer gets what yer
payds for.....

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 98 08:35:04 -0700
Subject: slow 2-1/4L engine...but it ran long hard trips

><<  but who wants
> a clock in a Series vehicle. >>
>.
>David,
>you use the hour hand to time the 0-60 mph.....
>.
>Best Cheers
>.
>Frank
>.
Golly, that's what I thought the calender was for.

results of my engine tare down for a quick ring & valve job:

top ring broken in #'s 3 & 4

Badly burnt exhaust valve in #2

The machine shop that did the valves & installed the guides did all the 
work wrong.
all bad seats, all worn valve guides resulting in all intake and two 
additional exhaust valves unusable.

Springs too weak to spring 

Oh did I mention multiple head cracks?

Total salvageable from the head = 1 exhaust valve, one set of spring 
keepers.

Rocker arm bushings so bad as to be almost nonexistent in places.  

Rocker shaft badly scored.

Lower radiator & bypass hoses very soft.

This is the engine that was vandalized by pouring dirt down the oil 
filler tube & by the looks of things maybe down the carb just after a 
complete rebuild.  

I am no longer wondering why I had the slowest car in the Border to 
Border trek, or the Red Rock desert trip through Arizona, Utah and Nevada 
I just completed.

However I do expect the car to go a little faster on my upcoming border 
to border run from California to New York and back.  Or is it border to 
border to border??

I have the pistons back in with new rings and rod bearings and am 
awaiting the arrival of a reconditioned head & rocker arm assembly.

         | TeriAnn Wakeman
         | twakeman@cruzers.com
         | http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman
         |
         | "The Green Rover"
         | 1960 109 two door
         | Expidition equipped
         |
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  [Key -Dormobile top, military bummperettes,
   rear whip antenna, vertical rear mounted 
   hiLift jack, tail gate, side hinged lift gate]

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:03:07 EDT
Subject:  Seatbelts UK

Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.Wrote:

>The ARC insists upon seat belt use in all competitions regardless of vehicle
age.

They do indeed Bill but the minimum requirement is still only a single lap
strap.
 
Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" wrote:

>Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you fit seatbelts properly in a
>soft-top like my 109"?

I have three point static belts fitted to the hybrid, which is a rag-top one
goes one side of the seat, one the other, with the third coming over the
bulkhead from a mount tapped into the rear side capping. The central lower
mountings pass through a hole in the bulkhead and bolt down throught the floor
and a bracket welded on the chassis. The outer lower mountings bolt to a re-
inforcing plate on the lower side of the seatbox, this is in turn bolted to
the chassis outrigger. 

When I built the hybrid I had to fabricate the chassis/seatbelt brackets to
duplicate those found on the standard Lightweight chassis.

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid

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From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:22:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?')

>>>>> "christopher" == christopher seaman <gpzrider98@yahoo.com> writes:

    christopher> you could get 100mph+ with a Beachy Head conversion.

???  OK, you've peaked my interest.  Do tell.
						-MM

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From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 11:28:12 -0500
Subject: seat belts

>>>>> "William" == William L Leacock <wleacock@pipeline.com> writes:

    >> Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you fit seatbelts
    >> properly in a
    William> soft-top like my 109"?  -MM

    William>  Rover part # 395252 and straps 395254 and 55. It is
    William> basically a plate with a weld nut to take the belt
    William> fixing. It fastens on the top of the seat bulkhead.  ( low
    William> level as a opposed to higth level for hard tops etc. 

Isn't this just asking for a broken collarbone (or worse)?  I've never
put 3-points in the TR-4 for this reason.  I've got a rollbar ready to
go in (as soon as the custom diagonals get cut and welded on), and after
that's done I'll have a fairly safe place to mount one.  I'm thinking
that a rollbar for the 109 would be a more complicated affair, as the
bed doesn't seem to have the structural strength for even limited
roll-over support.  Maybe some sort of slip-joint with appropriate bolts
and holes through the body so that everything can still be taken
apart...
								-MM

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From: Axel Pawlik <axelpawlik@tinet.ie>
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 18:09:39 +0100
Subject: Inner Hub Bearing Stuck

Well, one of those days...

The leaking brake master led to rebuilding the
wheel cylinders, "while I'm at it". Ah, one of
the front bleed screws is stuck, better get it
going. Hmm, can't get to it properly (109" brakes,
bottom screw, steering arm in the way). What the H...,
take of the backplate and do it more leiurely.
Hmm, the hub doesn't want to come off.

So, no I'm stuck with the inner bearing sitting on
the axle, not wanting to budge. Turn it does, but
the inner surface it runs on will not come off.

Now, you mechanical geniuses out there, will I
have to run and get an extractor, the three armed
thing, to get it off? Have you been there, done what?

	slighty miffed, :-) Axel

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:51:56 EDT
Subject: Language

Subject: Language

On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Ron Beckett, from down under, wrote: "I've been told
that English is a bastardised language that is very hard to learn - ask any
Aussie.  Everyone will tell you we can't speak it 8-)"

English is an erector set language (much like Land Rovers) made up of bits
of Old French, Old Saxon German, a stray Celtic word or three and allowed to
rust in the rain for a few centuries.

Ron is right.  First time I heard a bunch of Australians, it took me ten
minutes to figure out what language they were speaking.  After a few beers,
they began to make more sense; by then it was my shout.  Of course, after a
few, even Dutch starts to make sense.

Francois and the other non-native-english-speakers are to be credited for
their successful efforts to communicate with us in English (despite
English).  The perspective from other parts of the world are a valuable part
of the LRO digest.

Paul Donohue
Denver
1965 Land Rover 109



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From: christopher seaman <gpzrider98@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:26:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?')

Beachy Head is a cliff where people (of a delicate disposition)like to
comit suicide.

---"\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com> wrote:
> >>>>> "christopher" == christopher seaman <gpzrider98@yahoo.com>

writes:
>     christopher> you could get 100mph+ with a Beachy Head conversion.
> ???  OK, you've peaked my interest.  Do tell.
> 						-MM
>   ** 'lro' mailing list information from

'majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net'
>     christopher> you could get 100mph+ with a Beachy Head conversion.

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From: Dennis <dennis@i-lab.de>
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 22:57:08 +0200
Subject: Santana Break Cylinder 

Hi

For my Santana 109 S III i need a repairkit for the main break cylinder.

It is a servo unit and it has the folowing number on its side: 2125 545
012       29M8

It looks like it was made by autoplas in spain in Pamplona.

If anyone has some informations about the part itself or any ideea where
I can get some more info about these Santana parts please write me.

Thanks
                    Dennis

Dennis.kuhl@hvr.siemens.de
dennis@i-lab.de

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 18:29:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Can't get into gear

Lawrence Lee wrote:
> If anybody is out there on this festive day, I'd be grateful for any
> advice.
> The Rover refuses to get in gear!
> Changed clutch slave and have on a relatively new (less than 1000km)
> master pump. Adjusted freeplay to its max, but still I cannot get it
> into gear with the engine running.

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> Land Rover SerIII 109, 2.6l   "Kerbau"
> A Malay name for Water Buffalo. One that PREFERS to stay in mud.

What do you mean by adjusting freeplay to its max? Too much freeplay and
the clutch won't disengage. You should start to feel the spring being
compressed after 1 1/2 inches of pedal travel and have the clutch
completely disengaged with about 2 inches left on the stroke.
     John and Muddy

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From: "Peter & Julie Rosvall" <rosvall@mailserv.nbnet.nb.ca>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:19:02 +0000
Subject: Keonig Clutch.....

To all:

Anyone ever adjust the clutch in a Keonig winch? Any tips or info 
would much help.

Thanks,

Peter Rosvall
rosvall@nbnet.nb.ca

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 18:48:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Smoke gets in your eyes (well, their eyes, actually)

Jeffrey Jackson wrote:
> Camilla has a tired petrol 2.25 (nearly 200K on the clock) which runs
> cleanly at speed but emits a puff of oil smoke when accelerating from a
> stop.  Oil psi is OK (45 or so at "cruising speed", 20 at idle).
> Is this the symptom of a bad exhaust valve?
> Rgds,

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> Jeff
> Waterford, CT

no
     John and Muddy

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 18:49:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?')

christopher seaman wrote:
> you could get 100mph+ with a Beachy Head conversion.
> ---"\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> "Richard" == Richard Marsden <Richard> writes:
> >     Richard> Well, I get 60mph no problem - 70mph under the
>          [ truncated by lro-lite (was 26 lines)]
> >                                                       -MM
> >   ** 'lro' mailing list information from
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> >   ** 'lro' mailing list information from
> 'majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net'
 
600 ft even straight down won't get  a Land Rover over 100 mph!!!
   John and Muddy

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 23:52:23 +0200
Subject: Re: Galvanised Bulkhead

To prevent the hinge cage nuts from being "welded" to the doorpost when
galvanising - remove them first - galvanise, then fit them again.

I have just done this - well the new bulkhead came without cage nuts -
so i galvanised (metalised / zinc sprayed) then fitted the cage nuts.

Adrian Redmond

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From: Bill Morrow <wmmorrow@sover.net>
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 18:14:17 -0400
Subject: Land Rovers for Auction on the Web

Well, I guess it had to happend sooner or later.  I found a site where
there are 4 ex-military (Belgium) LR's are for sale by auction.  Check
them out at:

    http://www.auction-sales.com/cgi-bin/getprod.exe?41275

They are located in Atlanta and have had the US DOT modifications for
use in the US.  The auction ends on 7/6.

Now, if I could only convince my wife for the need of another LR.

Bill

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 18:17:06 EDT
Subject: Confession/4th of July

Bill: Dont worry too much. I dont think a lot a people are all that aware of
the irony. Even though our history books demonize the British during that
period the British reputation in the US increased greatly during the world
wars. Long last the Great Alliance! A  few years ago I drove my (former) SIIA
in front of a MkII Ferret Armoured Recon car that a local gun dealer had just
imported. Looked a bit like a mini invasion by General Howe, circa 1993. No
one noticed (or knew what they were seeing other than a couple of neat old
trucks) and I got some compliments on my truck too. Cheers, Andy

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From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 12:26:38
Subject: Re: Land Rovers for Auction on the Web

These are 4x2 not 4x4.  Upset price is $14,995.  Not a bad markup when they
are selling in Belgium for 1/4th or less that amount.  Not a deal in my mind.

At 06:14 PM 7/4/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Well, I guess it had to happend sooner or later.  I found a site where
>there are 4 ex-military (Belgium) LR's are for sale by auction.  Check
>them out at:
>    http://www.auction-sales.com/cgi-bin/getprod.exe?41275
>They are located in Atlanta and have had the US DOT modifications for
>use in the US.  The auction ends on 7/6.

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>Now, if I could only convince my wife for the need of another LR.
>Bill

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From: "John C. Hinkle" <defender110@email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 17:40:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Land Rovers for Auction on the Web

They have them listed as being LWB, but it looks like a SWB Airportable.
Chris

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:10:19 EDT
Subject: Re: slow 2-1/4L engine...but it ran long hard trips

In a message dated 04/07/98 16:35:42 BST, you write:

<< ><<  but who wants
 > a clock in a Series vehicle. >>
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 >Frank
  >>

Would all those of you who have lro-lite please THROW IT AWAY.

I didn't write the above. 
At least once a day somebody using lro-lite puts out a fairly stupid ''you
write'' from somebody or other........
As email is supposed (one would think) to assist/help/facilitate the clear and
speedy sending of messages around the world, it might just seem that a system
which does not do that - such as lro-lite - is doing a pretty good
approximation of JUNK.

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:10:31 EDT
Subject: Re: Land Rovers for Auction on the Web

In a message dated 04/07/98 23:16:09 BST, you write:

 Well, I guess it had to happend sooner or later.  I found a site where
 there are 4 ex-military (Belgium) LR's are for sale by auction.  Check
 them out at:
 
     http://www.auction-sales.com/cgi-bin/getprod.exe?41275
 
 They are located in Atlanta and have had the US DOT modifications for
 use in the US.  The auction ends on 7/6.
 
 Now, if I could only convince my wife for the need of another LR.
  >>
If they are the Belgian-made Minerva models they may well be 2wd - and about
as useful as a chocolate fireguard.......

Best Cheers

Frank
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            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
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From: verksted@juno.com (Tim Slown)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:25:07 PDT
Subject: It's July 4th, Mr. Whitworth

It's July 4th, a big day for slamming the British.
 
Firstly, a bit of history. In the early 19th Century every British
factory which needed to bolt something together devised their own
fasteners to do it. Of course, this caused all sorts of compatibility
problems. So, along came Mr. Whitworth (I forget his first name) who
developed a standardized system of coarse threads.  55 degree thread
angle and rounded roots and crests. 

This standardization was Good. Along with his threads came heads sizes
for the bolts that were based on the length *along* the side of one flat,
rather than across the flats. Hence, there is no simple fractional number
for the length across the flats, which is why your American or metric
wrenches don't fit. (a few sizes will be close enough to work)  The
fractional number on your British wrenches refers to the diameter of the
bolt; not to the distance across the flats (which ends up being various
weird dimensions). Some time later the Brits decided they needed a finer
pitch for some applications, so another thread series was introduced
(same 55 degrees).  They also decided that the heads were too big for the
bolts, so for most applications they switched to using the next size
smaller heads.  Because of this, and to add one more bit of confusion to
life, one manufacturer will mark a particular wrench "3/8BS," while a
different manufacturer will mark the very same sized wrench "7/16W.". 

The first thing any beginning British wrencher learns is that their
machine has "Whitworth bolts." They think this is interesting, buy a set
of "Whitworth wrenches," discover these wrenches fit their fasteners, and
believe they now know everything they need to know about British
fasteners. Unfortunately, at this point they know only enough to make
themselves dangerous. Instead, what they *should* have said to themselves
is "WHAT THE  §%#!" ? what other weird  things have the Brits done to the
fasteners on this machine?" The answer to this question is: 

British Standard Whitworth (BSW)
These are the'original', 19th Century, coarse-threaded industrial bolts. 
Because of their coarse pitch, they are more prone to vibrating loose, so
are less used on vehicles. Except for threading into Aluminum (t.ex.
crankcase studs), where a coarse thread is less prone to stripping than a
fine one.  It turns out that, except for 1/2" (where the Brits use 12
tpi, and the Americans 13 tpi) the thread pitches are the same as for
American Unified Coarse (UNC). However, the thread *form* is different;
Whitworth = 55 degrees; UNC = 60 degrees. In spite of this, mismatched
nuts and bolts will mate nicely, so you're often to find UNC bolts or
studs where BSW have been.

British Standard Fine (BSF)
A finer pitch series, analogous to the American Unified Fine (UNF),
although -- unlike the case of BSW/UNC -- with none of the pitches in
common with UNF. Many manufacturers commonly used a lot of BSF threads. 

CEI (Cycle Engineers' Institute) or BSC (British Standard Cycle)
These are different names commonly used for the same threads.  60 degree
thread angle, rather than the 55 degree of BSW and BSF. For sizes from
1/4" through 1/2" by far the most common are 26 tpi, although 24 tpi
appear as well. Although the thread form and pitch is different, the head
sizes on CEI-threaded fasteners use the same wrenches as BSW/BSF. 

British Association (BA)
47-1/2 degree thread angle. This is a metric thread system devised by the
British for small screws used in components. Not metric like you might
expect, but with diameters determined by a factor proportional to a power
of the logarithm to the base 10 of the thread pitch in millimeters. (I
couldn't possibly be making this up. Only from the English.) You can find
lots of BA threads on anything British , but only for fasteners smaller
than 1/4". BA fasteners have their own set of wrench sizes. Often, a set
of "Whitworth" sockets will include a 0BA and maybe a 2BA--(bigger number
= smaller size) socket. 

British Standard Pipe (BSP)
Typical self sealing tapered pipe thread.  Not too sure about this, but I
think its equal to or very close to the NPT American sizes.

UNF and UNC
In the 1960's, when even the U.S. was thinking of going metric, some of
the British companies decided it was finally time to scrap the old
Whitworth-based system, and switch to....yes, you guessed it, American.
Since they had lots of money invested in tooling, the switch wasn't made
suddenly (or completely), so products from the late '60's and later had a
mix of all sorts of thread forms. Typically, engine internals stayed with
whatever form it used to have, while simple fasteners (e.g. holding the
fenders on) switched to unified "None of the Above".  While the above
systems account for well over 98% of all threads you'll ever run across
on a British product, some manufacturers couldn't restrain themselves
from inventing a few oddball sizes of their own.  This is why, when
dealing with British machines, (especially motorcycles) you should assume
nothing. You must have a pitch gauge and calipers. 

And finally Metric, 
All this "Whitworth" wierdness reportedly ended in 1975.

verkstad@juno.com
(not on the list)

You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 00:03:20 +0200
Subject: Brake test lamp circuit

These units are standard here in denmark on all series trucks since 1974

Both switches seem to be normally open - closing makes contact

If servo pressure drops - the light comes on

If one brake circuit fails - the light comes on

The switches are wired in series, and seem to be in series with the test
lamp.

Which would imply...

That both switches must be closed for the lamp to light.

Which would conversly imply...

That a fail on either servo or diff. valve will not make the lamp to
light

But...

If your servo vaccuum pipes leak, the light comes on at low revs

Which would imply...

That the diff.valve switch must be ON for the servo switch to effect the
lamp on

Which would imply...

That this circut seems to rely on a set of mutually exclusive
circumstances...

If the test llamp light is on (due to low servo)... then ....

removing any one of the two pressure switch connectors will kill the
lamp

Which would imply...

That they are wired in series....

Which doesn't make sense

----

Dont ask me - I have just reinstalled  the wiring loom on a new
firewall. They are in series, so how do they work?

Or do they just satiosfy some obscure vehiocle safety requirement by
making a lamp light up?

Adrian Redmond

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From: Elwyn <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 00:56:12 +0100
Subject: Re: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?')

At 18:49 04/07/98 -0300, you wrote:

christopher seaman wrote:
 you could get 100mph+ with a Beachy Head conversion.
 ---"\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com> wrote:
>600 ft even straight down won't get  a Land Rover over 100 mph!!!
>   John and Muddy

Fit JATO Packs. Then they will. Make a helluva mess though!

EY
S3 '72 (Dented) Lightweight. "Green Brick"
Eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk & Http://www.ey-eg.demon.co.uk

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 98 17:01:19 -0700
Subject: Re: slow 2-1/4L engine...but it ran long hard trips

;>>In a message dated 04/07/98 16:35:42 BST, you write:
;>
;><< ><<  but who wants
;> > a clock in a Series vehicle. >>
;> 	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 10 lines)]
;> >Frank
;>  >>
;>
;>Would all those of you who have lro-lite please THROW IT AWAY.
;>
;>I didn't write the above. 
;>At least once a day somebody using lro-lite puts out a fairly stupid 
''you
;>write'' from somebody or other........

Frank 

This LRO lite thing is a "feature" of the mail list server that reduces 
the volume of e-mail,  You need to talk to the list administrator about 
disabling it.

I agree the auto editor is a REAL PAIN and causes many messages to lose 
their original meaning.  Most of the time I fool the auto editor by 
putting a symbol in front of the >.  But sometimes I forget.

Sorry for forgetting this time.

TeriAnn Wakeman                       The Green Rover, rebuilt and
Santa Cruz, California                and maintained using parts from
twakeman@cruzers.com                  British Pacific 800-554-4133
http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman      

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: Lawrence Lee <lawrencelee_tc@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:06:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Can't get into gear

---john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:

< What do you mean by adjusting freeplay to its max? Too much freeplay
and the clutch won't disengage. You should start to feel the spring
being compressed after 1 1/2 inches of pedal travel and have the
clutch completely disengaged with about 2 inches left on the stroke.>

Sorry, I meant adjusted freeplay to its min - there was no freeplay in
the pedal, but still, the clutch won't disengage. Thought that there
was too much freeplay previously, but I was wrong. Perhaps the clutch
is rusted and stuck to the flywheel. The last time Rover was driven
was 3months back :-(

Any thoughts?
==
Lawrence Lee
Blk 22, Sin Ming Road, # 11-216
Singapore 570022
Tel: (65) 456 7815   Mobile: 9 684 3678

Land Rover SerIII 109, 2.6l   "Kerbau"
A Malay name for Water Buffalo. One that PREFERS to stay in mud.

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