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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@email.msn.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:50:05 +0100
Subject: Fitting Seatbelts

Hi,

So, if I am right, I don't need me belts to drive on the road, but I should
some to go off-road. Okay, right, anyone know of any 'drop in' belts? I know
someone with a salvage yard......so getting some shouldn't be a prob.

Any fitting problems I should be aware of? Robin is a hard top (at the
moment.....)

Also, is it normal for my 'cubby box' (which isn't there) space to lift up
and show me the gubbins underneath? Or is this just for my passengers to
hurl into when I try and do something stupid (again!)

Neil

SIII '74 2.25 Petrol SHJ 299M - 'Robin' (USS Reliant NCC1864)
Ford Explorer 4.0i '98 NIB 4318 - 'Why do all my passengers grab their seats
when I accelerate?'
Daewoo Lanos 1.4 '98 - 'Kids must go to nursery!'

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 07:22:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Fitting Seatbelts

Neil,

Seatbelts are important, both off and on-road - but I will not lecture. 8*)

The ones Mr. Churchill is fitted with right now came out of a piece of
Japanese junk - a Suzuki or the like. They cost me $10 per side, and fitted
in like they were made for the car.

I do sincerely recommend having a look at the LR parts books and buying the
proper l mountings for them - even if you have to open the wallet, let the
moths out and buy retail. The factory mounts are designed to meet spec. for
pull and the like, and can be trusted (if correctly installed) to stay in
place and not pull free in an accident.

Re: Hole in the middle:

This is how you get to your transfer case and OD to check the oil - yes it
is supposed to be this way.

Lots of folks have drop-in tool trays that go there to hold small stuff - I
will likely do this myself some day. Till, then, it is a convenient way to
take a leak if you don't want to be seen.....8*)

                         aj"But I would never do that....."r

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From: Eric Dube <dube@zk3.dec.com>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 08:50:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Car Show with LR class

Steve-

	What time is the British Cars of NH car show? If I get back from
RI in time on Sunday, I'll drive down. (I live in Nashua, so it's right
down the road from me.)

Regards,
Eric Dube
dube@zk3.dec.com

At 11:00 PM 7/1/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all; British Cars of NH is having thier car show this Sunday in Milford

NH 
>at the High Hopes Festival which is right off route 101 bypass in Milford.
>Just follow the signs to High Hopes. 
>Steve F
>69 SIIA 88 bugeye
>65 SIIA 88

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:52:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Car Show with LR class

It isn't - this was a dead.mail post from June that got sent accidentally.

I know - I wanted to go too.....

                         ajr

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 98 06:30:29 -0700
Subject: Re: Mysterious, Superfluous Hole

>As many of you know, I have a 1960 Series II that I am doing a frameover
>on.  My question concerns the optional instrument panel located (in my
>vehicle) to the left of the main gauge cluster/panel.  It contains the
'>small Jaeger dual gauge (water temp in degrees C & oil pressure in PSI)
'>which I know is original.  The question is what would the factory have
'>placed in the second hole in this panel?  It is obviously an original 
hole:
'> it's just a hair too small to fit most gauge units (the Jaeger will 
fit, a
'>VDO will not), it's perfectly aligned and it was die-cut, not cut out 
with
'>a drill saw (as a previous owner would have done).  This vehicle is not 
an
'>ex-military.
'
'>Also, I am considering installing a set of Smiths gauges for oil and 
temp
'>since the Jaeger's temp function expired long ago.  It would take care 
of
'>both holes and since Jaeger got swallowed up by Smiths long ago, it's as
'>close to original as I can get.  Anyone know about and care to comment 
on
'>the current line of Smiths gauges?  Are they still as unreliable as they
'>used to be?

Brian, first don't just toss the Jaeger gauge.  There are companies that 
rebuild them.  You would get a new bulb and capillary line.  The gauge 
comes back looking like new.  I recently had all the gauges, including 
the mechanical temperature gauge rebuilt in my TR3.

Second, auxiliary gauge panels used to be a commonly available part.  
They were available in blank, single and duel gauge hole configurations 
with right, left or no flange on the side.  The panel that you have is 
most likely an original style but may or may not have been fitted to your 
car when it left the factory.  If it is the same colour as your car it 
may have.  If it is black it was probably purchased later.

I guess you are free to decide what gauge to add.  Personally, I like the 
Lucas voltmeter.  It can tell a lot about how you are loading your 
electrical system that a ammeter can not.

Contact XKs Unlimited and ask for their catalogue of Smiths gauges.  You 
can see everything that is currently available & decide from there.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:32:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Mysterious, Superfluous Hole

TeriAnn talks about gauges:

>Lucas voltmeter.

Isn't that an oxymoron?

          ajr

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From: Eric Dube <dube@zk3.dec.com>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 09:37:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Car Show with LR class

Alan-

	Thanks for the info. You saved me a drive!!

Regards,
Eric Dube
dube@zk3.dec.com

At 08:52 AM 7/3/98 -0400, you wrote:
>It isn't - this was a dead.mail post from June that got sent accidentally.
>I know - I wanted to go too.....
>                         ajr

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
>I know - I wanted to go too.....
>                         ajr

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 08:50:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Mysterious, Superfluous Hole

On Fri, 3 Jul 1998 Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com wrote:

> TeriAnn talks about gauges:
> >Lucas voltmeter.
> Isn't that an oxymoron?

No.  _Voltis Lucas_  is just a very shy creature.  If they think they are
being observed, they generally run away and hide.  This shyness has lead
to their endangerment, with the much hardier _V. Boschus_ and _V. Delco_
invading species becoming more common.  The Lucas voltmeter provides
encouragment to _V. Lucas_, helping it to overcome its native shyness.
Whether this will increase reproduction rates enough to prevent extinction
remains to be seen.

David

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 98 07:14:56 -0700
Subject: Re: Lucas?

>TeriAnn talks about gauges:
>.
>>Lucas voltmeter.
>Isn't that an oxymoron?
>.
>          ajr
'
I wouldn't know.  I almost never have problems from electrical systems.  
I have a Lucas voltmeter installed in The Green Rover that has been 
trouble free for the 7 or so years that it has been installed.

However, I have had two cars in the past that gave me constant electrical 
problems, a Volksagon and a Saab.  I personally have never had a real 
problems with Lucas and nothing but problems with Boch.

         | TeriAnn Wakeman
         | twakeman@cruzers.com
         | http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman
         |
         | "The Green Rover"
         | 1960 109 two door
         | Expidition equipped
         |
         | _______     ____
      .==|"======="==='    `=============.
     /   |	                               \
     | ._|_______________________________. |
     |/  |    	___________________	    .. \|
    ,|___|____/ _________________ \____||__|,       
     | .-|-. | |	                | | .-||. |
     | | | | | |	                |'%,||||| |	
     | | | | | |                	| | ||||| |	
 _   | | | | | |_________________| | ||||| |  _	
(_)  | | | | |                    	| ||||| | (_)
   \ | `-|-' |        	==	        '% ||||' |/
   ,'====|===|=====================|=||||===` 
   |(o)  | 0||	        ||	        ||0||||(o)|
   |(o)  o  ||	        ||	        || ||||(o)|
   ||   ==  ||	        ||        	|| ||||  ||
   ||  ____ ||	        ||	        || ||||__||
   || |7050|||        	||	        || |____/||
   ||  ---- ||_________||_________||   ||  ||
   ||_______|______________________|___||__||
   | |	    |	        | _ |	         |	    | |
   |_|_____|_________[ - ]__________|_____|_| 
    | Land  |~~~~~~~~'~~~.___/~~~~ | Land  |
    |   /   |                      |   /   |
    | Rover |	                     | Rover |
    |_______|                    	 |_______|
     |\\~//|	                       |\\~//|
     |_\_/_|	                       |_\_/_|

  [Key -Dormobile top, military bummperettes,
   rear whip antenna, vertical rear mounted 
   hiLift jack, tail gate, side hinged lift gate]

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From: "David Hope" <davidjhope@email.msn.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:12:59 -0500
Subject: Mysterious, Superfluous Hole - Gauges

Another option for the dual water temp and ol pressure gauge is to have it
rebuilt.  Briitsh Pacific had this done for me.  The gauge comes back
looking as if it is  brand new, and the illumination is superb.

Of course this makes the other gauges look look terrible especially at
night.

Also, I still haven't solved the problem of what to do with that other gauge
hole.  Briitish Pacific said fit a Stewart Warner brand clock; but who wants
a clock in a Series vehicle.

David Hope
Springfield, Missouri
64 llA
95 D90 SW - for sale if anyone is interested

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From: "Christian Szpilfogel" <Christian.Szpilfogel.chrisz@nt.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:17:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Galvanizing

Last year when I rebuilt my '72 SIII I galvanized everything above the 
chasis that was steel (including redoing the capping and windshield. 
It was at the Birthday Party (the limestone with soft-top) but the 
bulkhead and breakfast are painted so it would not have been
obvious.

Although I thoroughly repaired the chasis it didn't seem reasonable
to galvanize it given all the crud in it over 26 years. It seemed fairly
likely that galvanizing would not have taken very well to the inside
so I was likely wasting effort. Instead I sandblasted it, repaired it
and coated with DP90 (a two part epoxy primer) which seems to
be tough as nails.

The cappings had minor warpage but they are so thin that they'll
rivet into place properly with no after effects.

For the bulkhead, I created a frame to go through the bulk head
mounting holes (ie. a straight piece of tube steel and the old bolts
going through it and the bulkhead pin holes). I used the frame to
keep things staight while welding all the new metal into what had
once been a pair of footwells. The bulkhead had very very minor warpage
and I was able to remount it to the frame through physical force
(no tools other than a rubber mallet).

The breakfast was a slightly different story. When repairing it, I
used a piece of metal that originally when it was on a 4x8 sheet
had some warpage. It was cut, bent, and then welded into place.
After galvanizing the warpage re-appeared and my breakfast had
a slight twist. With significant brute force I got it mostly straight
and once mounted with wings on it looks straighter than most
vehicles and in fact I doubt anyone would notice unless it was
closely measured (even then I believe it falls into LR specs ;-)).

A buddy of mine who helped me with the welding (he is a professional
welder) warned me that when dipping the biggest danger is not
the dip itself but the way the pieces are welded together and the
stresses you end up putting in the structure. So even if you force
fit a piece in and looks ok, when it is heated there may be some
warpage to relieve the stress.

Personally, I strongly support galvanizing, and I galvanize just about
every piece of steel that goes on the vehicle. When Its time to do
the 110, it will be dipped as well.

Cheers,
  -Christian
--------------------------
Christian Szpilfogel           chrisz@nortel.ca
Ottawa, Ont, Canada        613-828-1961
'72 SIII 88"
'83 LR 110
'98 Discovery

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 10:44:34 -0400
Subject: Vapor locks

"Art Bitterman" <artbitt@rmi.net> wrote:

>Coming back From the Steamboat Rally on the last day of my trek home, I =
>had temperatures of 98+ on the interstate from Colorado Springs to =
>Trinidad, Colorado. I was vapor locking on all the upgrades, but it =
>would disappear on downgrades.

Do you have your engine shroud in place?  One thing that I've found makes a
real difference is the metal shroud that attaches to the plastic one around
the radiator.  It seems to channel air back along the side of the engine to
better cool the fuel pump area.  The fuel hose should also be routed up
along the front of the engine where it can enjoy some cooling breezes, too.
 I've been driving the Rover for well over 25 years, and though heat and
altitude are a recepie for vapor locking, I've only suffered it once -
coming up on stopped Interstate traffic after a long hot run.  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:01:04 EDT
Subject: Chaps, chaps?

In response to Adrian Redmond's question about chaps, we have seen several
entertaining explanations of purpose from some east-coast gringos .

Chaps are leather leggings worn by people who work cattle from horseback in
rough country to protect legs and trousers from being scratched and scraped
by the thick underbrush and cactus through which cattle must occasionally be
chased.

This is the same reason cowboys do not wear sandals.

Recuerdos,

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109



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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@email.msn.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:04:43 +0100
Subject: Off topic

But Mars bars are nicer!

Sorry, couldn't resist!

Back to topics.......

What are the advantages/disadvantges of turning my hard top into an open
top? (If not to complicated a question!)

Neil

'Mines a beer wi' twigs in!'

SIII '74 2.25 Petrol SHJ 299M - 'Robin' (USS Reliant NCC1864)
Ford Explorer 4.0i '98 NIB 4318 - 'Why do all my passengers grab their seats
when I accelerate?'
Daewoo Lanos 1.4 '98 - 'Kids must go to nursery!'

------------------------------

From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:45:33 EDT
Subject: RE: Color question

On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, SPYDERS@aol.com asked "Were series rovers ever *white*?"

Yes.  A friend had a 1966 Land Rover Dormobile which was white.  Actually it
was an off white like the limestone color found on wheels.  He used to do
touch up with
rattle cans sourced from local stores.

Yesterday, in the People's Republic of Boulder, I saw a 110 SW that was
painted pure-as-the-driven-snow white.  This is a different white than I
recall was available on older Land Rovers.

It is an old recollection, but I seem to recall that in some countries white
was a reserved color, like red is reserved in Japan for Fire Trucks.  Don't
know if any of this still applies.

Paul Donohue
1965 light green Land Rover Dormobile
Denver


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From: russw@lycosmail.com
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:57:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: LaSalle web site

A few days ago some people were talking about the LaSalle trim so I tried to 
open their web site...no luck
has anyone else been able to get into www.LaSalle-trim.co.uk  ???

Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com

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From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:25:10 -0700
Subject: Re; Carburetors

From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:10:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Carburetors

On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Faure, Marin wrote:

> prone to do because of its tendency to warp.  A few years after
> installing the Rochester I burned the exhaust valves in cylinders 2 and
> 3.  I have no idea if going to the larger carburetor contributed to this
> or not, but on teardown the valves in 1 and 4 were in fine condition.

>If the mixture were excessivly lean, you can burn exhausts vavles.  That
is function of carb setup, and not the carb itself.  It is more likely
that you had the valves misadjusted.  Tight exhasut valves burn quickly,
since they receive their cooling by contact with the seats.

That's certainly possible, but as I checked the valve clearances every two
months (I had access to an aircraft shop with all sorts of fancy tools so
it was not an inconvenience to do this) I doubt the valves were too tight.
Not long after I bought the Series III new in 1973, I mentioned my concern
over hearing valve "tick" to a British mechanic who'd settled in Honolulu.
He'd had quite a bit of experience with Land Rovers and he told me that if
you didn't hear a bit of valve clatter in the Land Rover engine there was
something wrong.  I've since had other Land Rover mechanics in the UK tell
me the same thing.  Taking his advice to heart, I was always careful to set
the valve clearances to the "loose" side of .010.  So I doubt the cause of
my burned exhaust valves was improper clearances.  I might have done
something else wrong, but I don't think it was that.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

------------------------------

From: "C. Marin Faure" <faurecm@halcyon.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:33:26 -0700
Subject: Re: Left hand swing

From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:10:46 -0700
Subject: RE: Left hand swing...

>I can see his point.  Kind of like why you can order a refrigerator with
left or right hand doors.  Reversing the back door would make it much
easier to load the back from the curb.

On the other hand, since most roads camber down to the curb, you'd have to
install some sort of door stop to hold the rear door open if it was hinged
on the left.  The stock hinge mechanism has no detent or door stop, so you
would be constantly fighting the door as it tried to swing closed toward
the curb.  The right-hinged door, on the other hand, holds itself open next
to the curb in the US.  It's the British that have to fight the effect of
gravity when they're loading.  I've found the right-hinged door very
convenient for this very reason: I don't have to prop it open or get
someone to hold it when I'm loading bulky items in the back while parked at
a curb.

________________________
C. Marin Faure
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE
   Seattle, WA

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From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@SMDC.ORG>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:53:31 -0500
Subject: RE: Mysterious, Superfluous Hole - Gauges

So where can I get Smith guages?

cwolfe

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From: Keith Addison <gruno@att.net.hk>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 04:17:14 +0800 (HKT)
Subject: Re: LaSalle web site

>A few days ago some people were talking about the LaSalle trim so I tried
>to open their web site...no luck
>has anyone else been able to get into www.LaSalle-trim.co.uk  ???

No, but their email address is lasalle.trim@virgin.net, so the WWW address
looks wrong. Email them and ask?

Keith

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From: Elwyn <eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 21:40:58 +0100
Subject: Re Re Main Bearings

Hi. Me again.

A freind, also with a similar problem said that some dodgy car dealers used
to put fine sawdust in the oil to quieten it up (me not doing it though)
and also if i put a thicker oil, like tractor oil, then it would help. I am
not so shure?

Anyone?

Elwyn
S3 '72 Lightweight. "Green Brick"
Eyork@ey-eg.demon.co.uk (Direct)

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:44:25 EDT
Subject: Re:  Chaps, chaps?

In a message dated 7/3/98 11:01:54 AM, you wrote:

>This is the same reason cowboys do not wear sandals.

Right. I believe they are more accurately called Tevas ;-) 

--pat.

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 05:35:21 -0400
Subject: Re: What's that smell?

Hi Ian.     You have to extend the tail pipe out beyond the body or you will
suck the fumes back in. Why is the smoking. Is it black.......if so look
down the throat of the carb. to see if the fuel is dripping. Does turning
the idle mixture screw make any difference.Answer and I`ll talk you through
the diagnosis.Cya.

Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod wrote:

> Any ideas on smell?  I know this is silly, as it's a LR, but the noxious
> fumes seem more apparent than normal, partly because I have the hard top
> off, maybe because I'm missing the exit pipe from my LH muffler (is
> there that much of a bernoulli effect?) but probably because I've
> finally got my carb running so it'll idle at 600rpm (albeit a bit
> smoky....)
> Any ideas?  Will adding an outlet pipe really help that much?  If this
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 21 lines)]
> Stratford, Ontario
> Phone(519) 273-7771  Fax (519) 273-3993

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 00:41:36 +0200
Subject: Re: Fitting Seatbelts

I have just bought inertia seat belts - intended to be mounted with one
end of the belt on the floor by the rear of the side door, up to the
"pulley" and down to the inertia unit.

Easy to fit in a 109, where the inertia unit will fit between inside of
door post and tub bulkhead - but in an 88 the bulkhead sits 2½ inches
forward relative to a 109.

So where do I mount the inertia unit? How about on the other side of the
tub galvanised cross profile?

Any wisdom out there?

Adrian Redmond

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 19:34:31 -0400
Subject: Seatbelts UK

Seat belts were fitted on all Uk vehicles after approx 1967, fitting was
made compulsory retrospectively from 1964. In the UK vehicles made prior to
64 which are not fitted with seat belts can be driven unbelted. However if
seat belts are fitted they must be worn.
 The stupid thing about these rules is there is no difference between a 64
LR and  74 LR as far as seat belt fittings are conceerned.  The ARC insists
upon seat belt use in all competitions regardless of vehicle age.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 18:34:13 -0500
Subject: Seatbelts UK

>>>>> "William" == William L Leacock <wleacock@pipeline.com> writes:

    William> Seat belts were fitted on all Uk vehicles after approx
    William> 1967, fitting was made compulsory retrospectively from
    William> 1964. In the UK vehicles made prior to 64 which are not
    William> fitted with seat belts can be driven unbelted. However if
    William> seat belts are fitted they must be worn.  The stupid thing
    William> about these rules is there is no difference between a 64 LR
    William> and 74 LR as far as seat belt fittings are conceerned.  The
    William> ARC insists upon seat belt use in all competitions
    William> regardless of vehicle age.

Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you fit seatbelts properly in a
soft-top like my 109"?
								-MM

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 19:51:53 -0400
Subject: Confession

Tomorrow, I, a limey, am driving in the local 4 th July parade. I will keep
my mouth shut.  Is this heresy ?   ( I tell the guys I work with that we won
anyway, if the result had been different we might have had Queen Hilary  !! ) 
 However we have painted my camel trophy yellow 109  "pink" for the
occasion.  ( Please Frank, don't tell the guys at Pennine !! ) This is the
club colour for a local group who run a campaign to keep kids off drugs, (
looking at the colour would convince you the painter must have been on some
kind of trip !! )  The 109 will be loaded with kids from the program trying
to publicise the work. 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: john hess <jfhess@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 17:56:44 -0700
Subject: rear axle shafts

Survey time---

If you have ever broken a rear axle shaft, please email this back to me.
I'll compile the answers and post them.

begin

If you ever broke and axle shaft, was it the long one or the short one?

Where did it break?

Was it genuine or aftermarket or unknown?

Did you replace both with new ones?  genuine or other?

end

also,  has anyone one bought the expedition axle shafts from Charles
Kellogg?  (please, I don't want to start THAT again, it's just a simple
question.)

anyone broken one of Charles's unbreakable shafts?

anyone bought KAM axle shafts?  anyone break one?

Believe it or not, I have not broken a shaft, I am just trying to check out
the facts from the fiction.

John F Hess   jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us
Land Rover Dormobile web pages:
http://wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us/~jfhess/homepage.html
1968 Land Rover Dormobile "Elvis"
1960 swb pu "Stubby" (actually Katherine's),
1960 swb roadster oops, not anymore, he has a top!  Needs door tops and
upper and lower tailgates.
 "Slug" (Alex's) Slug needs everything, donations accepted

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From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 20:56:29 -0700
Subject: Re: Confession

William L. Leacock wrote:

>  However we have painted my camel trophy yellow 109  "pink" ... to keep kids
> off drugs

??.... I wonder where that might drive some unfortunate youth :)

cheers

Jeremy

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From: "Clare and Lee Dunkelberg" <clarelee@freewwweb.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:22:59 -0500
Subject: Rearview mirror
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Okay, I turned the corner the other day and heard something fall off the
D-90.  I looked in the the driver's side rear view mirror and discovered the
glass had fallen off.  I picked up the new mirror glass today (I don't want
to know what  a new mirror costs -- is it that multilingual label packaging
that increases the price so much?)
Anyway, they tell me at the dealership to peel off the backing and just
stick it on to the mirror frame.
Hello?!
Stick it to WHAT?
Did something else fall out of the frame or is it just there by the grace of
God and a rubber gasket?

Lee Dunkelberg
210 Glentower Drive
San Antonio, Texas 78213-1913
Voice/Fax (210) 344-3394

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 00:38:47 EDT
Subject: Re: Confession

"However we have painted our Camel Trophy yellow 109 pink..."

...Only in New York...

Charles

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From: "Keith Cutler Family" <cutler_family@ibm.net>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 23:56:34 -0600
Subject: Re: Mysterious, Superfluous Hole

My 1960 Series II has the Jaeger gauge like you describe on the bottom half
of the auxiliary panel.  On the top half is what appears to be a cigarette
lighter and the hole is factory cut and about the size of a U.S. quarter.
I'm sure the cigarette lighter (or whatever it is) is stock because I know
most of the history of this vehicle.  If your second hole is large enough
for a gauge, we have two different, but apparently stock, auxiliary panels.

BTW, my Rover is also undergoing a frame-off restoration.  You say
frameover, I've always heard and said frame-off.  Is there a difference?
Are both correct?

Thanks.
Keith Cutler

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:06:11 +1000
Subject: I say, Chaps!

>>Also, when they are worn by the fairer sex, it frames the rear
>>end to perfection!

Dave Bobeck replied:
>speshly when theys butt-nekked.

I say, Dave, have you been watching the Gay & Lesbian Parade that occurs
every year down here in Sydney?  I noticed there were a few pairs of chaps
worn with butt-nekked male cheeks.

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 19:22:43 +1000
Subject: Language

Micky> >By the way, bugeyes are not very nice ... (i dont want to get
ennemies
Micky> >bye waying that!!!)
Micky> Thats what I like to see, good old fashioned French diplomacy!
Micky>
Micky> Only the French could p*** anyone off by offering to weigh
something....
:)

Francois wrote:

>I do not understand (one more time) what you mean. If it can help
>understand what I said, i made an error while typing "saying", which
>leads to read "waying" in my previous message...

>What did the French do to you ???? :-)

Francois, what Micky wrote was not directed at the French so mauch as a
quick retort made in good fun.  It was meant to be humourous but, when read
by someone with less than colloquial English, could have been read a s
insulting.  I'm sure it was not intended that way.

>By the way, when i express a personnal opinion in public in a language
>which i do not manipulate perfectly, i try to excuse in advance for
>saying things in a crude way, that's all !

Don't apologise, Francois.  There are many nationalities on the list.  Not
all of them speak English as their native tongue.  (Look at the Canadians -
they can't speak English or French properly <grin>)

Personally, my knowledge of French was a one-year course at high school back
in 1964 so that I could matriculate to go to university.  In those days, no
foreign language meant no university.  So what do I remember of French?  A
lot less than you know of English, mon ami.

Stay with us, we know what you are trying to ask.  I've been told that
English is a bastardised language that is very hard to learn - ask any
Aussie.  Everyone will tell you we can't speak it 8-)

Regards,
Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
check my web site at www.users.bigpond.com/hillman

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