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From: Peter Goundry <peterg@aircast.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 07:15:39 -0400
Subject: Speed (Or Rather 'What Speed?')

coming back from LRNA!>

Must be the new 16" rims & Dunlop RT's. Will have to get the GPS out 
and check the speedo. Would hate to get a ticket for speeding in a 30 
odd year old LR. Cheers Douglas,

Peter Goundry

67 GS109" IIA, 73 Lightweight, 97 D90 #127

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 07:55:37 EDT
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In a message dated 02/07/98 10:59:59 BST, you write:

<< Frank, wrt that galvanised 110 chassis your hooning around on-did you do it
yourself or buy it that way ? What I'm getting at I guess is- is it standard
or did somebody in the motherland fabricate it for galvanising ?
 
 WRT the bulkheads Paul says go for it no problem, Frank says he is aware of
some warping cos they are too thin. >>

Adrian,
 my chassis was s'hand (but nearly new -sad story) and had one outrigger
replaced plus the engine mounts moved (to take my Iveco engine) before going
off to the galvaniser for cleaning off and plating.

I didn't say I was 'aware', of bulkhead warping in that I have seen it, cos I
haven't, just that I had heard it can happen - I've also heard lots of people
say they've had it done. Certainly, as my current one is starting to look sad
I will be looking for a new bulkhead soon - when I've finished paying for the
chassis swap - and then look to have it galvanised before fitting it.

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 98 08:45:21 EST
Subject: Re[2]: 	The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>WRT the bulkheads Paul says go for it no problem, Frank says 
>he is aware of some warping cos they are too thin. 

I have leard lots of people offer warnings about warping but haven't heard of 
anyone having that problem. If body cappings can survive than so can FRAMES and 
firewalls, much thicker items and more substantial structurally. Lets hear of 
anyone whos had actual problems, otherwise quit repeating hearsay.

later
daveb

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 98 08:48:09 EST
Subject: more on galvanising

>I didn't say I was 'aware', of bulkhead warping in that I have seen it, cos I 
>haven't, 

comme to think of it, I saw several trucks in ottawa that had galvanised frame, 
firewalls, and breakfast, and at least one with the door frames done as well.
there were no warping problems. 

later
daveb

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:27 EDT
Subject: Re: Galvanizing warpage

In a message dated 7/2/98 8:44:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org writes:

<< If body cappings can survive >>

I have one door bottom capping which did warp on galvanizing.  I had to clamp
it in place before pop riveting and it still tips the door top out a bit.
This said, I regalvanized the sheet of metal that makes up the inner face of
the tailgate and it had no appreciable warping.

Nate

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 98 10:35:01 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Galvanizing warpage

In a message dated 7/2/98 8:44:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org writes:

<< If body cappings can survive >>

nate retorts:
I have one door bottom capping which did warp on galvanizing. 

and spenny had the presence of mind to call and inform me that bruce ricker 
president of OVLR who is the owner of aforementioned LR with galvanised 
birewall, doors, breakfast etc., did indeed experience some warping of the 
bulkhead, but that it still fit and pulled back straight when he bolted it up.
So there you have it. Just DO IT.

later
daveb/GreenHELL (whose doorposts are galvanised)

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:17:24 -0700
Subject: Re: Switching sides

From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:47:42 +0100
Subject: Re: Switching sides

>I read somewhere, that left-handed people are meant to make better
drivers
- they can use both hands equally - so things like changing gear isn't a
problem...

It's a proven fact that left-handed people make the best pilots....:-)
____________________
C. Marin Faure
author, "Flying A Floatplane"

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:26:07 +0100
Subject: Re: Switching sides

>It's a proven fact that left-handed people make the best pilots....:-)

And a significant number (statistically speaking) of  the Apollo astronauts
were left handed...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: Sski3@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:34:26 EDT
Subject: Car show-sent out by mistake

Hi all; the car show was June 21st.  The post was in mail waiting to be sent
and I didn't see it.  Sorry for the inconvenience.
Steve F

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 08:36:35 -0700
Subject: Re: Carburetors

From: Jtwinkle88@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:24:11 EDT
Subject: Carberators

>I have a 1969 Series IIA with a Zenith. It has some problems after a
good
cleaning and rebuild that are difficult to overcome. I am considering a
Rochester or Weber single barrel for cost considerations and have read
Jim
Allens benchflow information...any suggestions?? I understand a few with
weber
single barrels have vapor locked several times due to heat off the
manifold at
our altitude(7000 + feet)

I ran a Rochester in my 1973 Series III from 1979 through 1982.  It
marginally improved the performance, although its real benefit was
elimination of the fuel loading at idle on a hill which the Zenith is
prone to do because of its tendency to warp.  A few years after
installing the Rochester I burned the exhaust valves in cylinders 2 and
3.  I have no idea if going to the larger carburetor contributed to this
or not, but on teardown the valves in 1 and 4 were in fine condition.
This was at about 125K miles.  In any event, I had the head rebuilt and
took advantage of the situation to rebore the cylinders and fit new
pistons and rings and replace the cam and crank bearings.  When the
engine was back together I decided to return it to its stock
configuration and fitted a new Zenith.  It's been about 16 years since
the overhaul and the Zenith hasn't warped yet, so maybe I got lucky.
But from an operational point of view, the Rochester did a very good
job.

I have no experience with the Weber, although I would be very reluctant
to give up the oil bath air cleaner; I believe the Weber uses a dry
paper filter.  I know people who have fitted Webers and they seem quite
pleased with them.  As I'm more interested in longevity than
performance, I've elected to stick with the stock carburetor, as crude a
design as it may be.  You certainly can't accuse the Zenith of
overboosting the engine...:-)

__________________
C. Marin Faure
faurecm@halcyon.com
marin.faure@boeing.com
  (original owner)
  1973 Land Rover Series III-88
  1991 Range Rover Vogue SE

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From: "Art Bitterman" <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:26 -0600
Subject: Re:Subject Chaps
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Hi all;

Chaps are also worn by bikers here in the States. The first time you =
catch a piece of gravel on your shin bone, you're glad you wore them!

Also, when they are worn by the fairer sex, it frames the rear end to =
perfection! -But thats another subject altogether, perhaps not for a =
family oriented mailing list!

Art Bitterman
Gunsmith
!960 SII 88" (rhd) "The Beast"-Missing front bumper-great approach =
angle, but bugger all for frontal protection
Trinidad,Colorado
"Jack of all Trades,Master of Some!"

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From: "Art Bitterman" <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:01:26 -0600
Subject: Re:Subject Chaps
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Hi all;

Chaps are also worn by bikers here in the States. The first time you =
catch a piece of gravel on your shin bone, you're glad you wore them!

Also, when they are worn by the fairer sex, it frames the rear end to =
perfection! -But thats another subject altogether, perhaps not for a =
family oriented mailing list!

Art Bitterman
Gunsmith
!960 SII 88" (rhd) "The Beast"-Missing front bumper-great approach =
angle, but bugger all for frontal protection
Trinidad,Colorado
"Jack of all Trades,Master of Some!"

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 11:10:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Carburetors

On Thu, 2 Jul 1998, Faure, Marin wrote:

> prone to do because of its tendency to warp.  A few years after
> installing the Rochester I burned the exhaust valves in cylinders 2 and
> 3.  I have no idea if going to the larger carburetor contributed to this
> or not, but on teardown the valves in 1 and 4 were in fine condition.

If the mixture were excessivly lean, you can burn exhausts vavles.  That
is function of carb setup, and not the carb itself.  It is more likely
that you had the valves misadjusted.  Tight exhasut valves burn quickly,
since they receive their cooling by contact with the seats. 
 
David

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 98 12:22:20 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Subject Chaps

>Also, when they are worn by the fairer sex, it frames the rear end to = 
>perfection! 

speshly when theys butt-nekked. 

>-But thats another subject altogether, perhaps not for a = family 
>oriented mailing list!

to the contrary, just the thing to get some new ones going!

later
daveb

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From: "Art Bitterman" <artbitt@rmi.net>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 10:16:57 -0600
Subject: Re: Carberators
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Hi all!

John wrote about single bbl Webers vapor locking at 7000 feet.

Coming back From the Steamboat Rally on the last day of my trek home, I =
had temperatures of 98+ on the interstate from Colorado Springs to =
Trinidad, Colorado. I was vapor locking on all the upgrades, but it =
would disappear on downgrades. Perhaps if I routed my fuel line from =
over the top of the engine it would cure it, but normally when it's that =
hot outside I don't think about driving, just staying inside with a fan =
and a cold one!

On the plus side, no problems at 9000Ft on the trails,(with the engine =
that is!) and I got 17 MPG versus the 13 I used to get with the old =
Solex!

Art Bitterman
Gunsmith
Web Site http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/6339/
!960 SII 88" (rhd) "The Beast"-Missing front bumper-great approach =
angle, but bugger all for frontal protection
Trinidad,Colorado
"Jack of all Trades,Master of Some!"

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From: BEN_NIBALI@denso-diam.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:19:37 -0400
Subject: 3-Point Seat Belts

I am attempting to fit 3-point belts to the front seats of my '65 88" Hard
Top.  This wouldn't be difficult except I want to retain use of the belts
when I take the top off.  I don't want to mount the shoulder belt directly
to the seatback bulkhead because I hear bad things can happen to your spine
during an accident if the belt is mounted below the top of your shoulder
(restraining force is partially redirected downward by the belt.)

So.  I need to come up with some braces to fix the shoulder belts above and
behind the seats.  I would like to hear from anyone who has fashioned such
a thing.  I'm not too concerned about having an inertial belt reel but it
would be nice.  And I'm not worried about it being original and I've no
problem drilling lots of holes.

My current plan is to use a length (about 18") of steel box tubing with a
small mounting plate butt-welded to one end and some sort of belt-holding
thingy on the other.  The plate would be bolted through the top face of the
wheel well behind the bulkhead, and the tube would extend straight up
(probably be bolted to the back side of the bulkhead top rail for good
measure) and hold the end of the shoulder belt.  I'm not very tall so the
belt only needs to be a few inches above the top of the seatback.  Any
thoughts on this plan?

I also figured I could get two different sizes of box tubing- and slide the
top piece up and down inside the bottom piece to achieve height adjustment
for the shoulder belt.  A pin through both pieces would hold it at the
desired height, and this would allow me to drop it down if not in use or
crank it up for tall people.

Also- I learned from the archive that VW Rabbit's have an inertial belt
assembly that swaps in nicely.  Can anyone confirm this or know any details
about which years, etc. work well?

Thanks,
Ben Nibali
Maryville, TN

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 12:17:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Carburetors 

C. Marin Faure wrote:

> I have no experience with the Weber, although I would be very reluctant
> to give up the oil bath air cleaner; I believe the Weber uses a dry
> paper filter.  I know people who have fitted Webers and they seem quite
> pleased with them

	I have the Webber single barrel.  I'm using the stock oil bath
air cleaner.  The host directly attaches to the Webber.

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:26:30 -0400
Subject: Re: 3-Point Seat Belts

Ben,

Let me suggest to you what I did when i took Mr Churchill canvas for the
Summer - I put on a rollbar.

This rollbar sits over the front mountings for a 3/4 canvas, and is bolted
through them and through the spare-tyre nountings farther back along the
bed. The bar itself has 2 braces running back from it, essentially creating
a triangular mount to the top of the bed with good structural strength and
bend resistance.

The trick I did was to insert threaeed mounts into the inside faces of the
rollbar, one just above  the mounting plate and the second just below the
bend on each side. These are Grade-8 fittings, turned to press-fit into
holes drilled in the tubing then welded into place. The belt reel and pivot
then tied to these, essentially replacing the mountings that I had in my
pickup cap.

They work great, and are as solid as a rock. The bar, bent to shape, and
the materials to complete the finished item cost me $65.00 locally. The
rest of the costs were my time to fit it up and weld it, and mount it to
the truck.

               ajr

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 13:38:10 -0400
Subject: Protocols

David Scheidt <david@infocom.com> wrote:

>The only Land-Rover repair protocol is hit with a lump hammer until fixed,
>using as large a hammer as available, isn't it?

Exactly.  Modern technology is bigger hammers.  Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "Riaan Botes" <riaanb@iafrica.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:49:29 +0200
Subject: Diesl electric question

Hi

Apologies for the cross post. And this applies to leaf & coil spring LRs.

I have a 96 tdi 300 defender PU. It uses a timer relay to activate the glow
plugs. Mine does not always open the circuit after the engine starts and
causes a 60A draw off the battery and when the engine is switched off drains
the battery *dead* in a very short space of time.

The above is just a bit of info. I got caught 4 times before the problem was
finally isolated.

My main problem is that replacement of this relay is ridiculously expense
and it is an "agents only component". Costs about R700, ($120).

Is there anyone who has had this problem - Is there a cheaper solution?

Thnks

Riaan Botes
'96 Tdi 110 PU
'76 SIII 109 , 2.25l Petrol PU

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 13:57:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Diesl electric question

Timer relay:

Can you open the device up and clean the contacts? Seems like a diamond
stick and some patience might solve the problem...

               ajr

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From: Sski3@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:29:58 EDT
Subject: Fan replacement

Hi all; Does anyone know if a TR7 fan is a direct replacement for a SIIA 69?
I'm trying to get more air out of the heater for the upcoming winter:( I hope
this works,changing a 2 speed blower for a 4 speed one.  Any help would be
appreciated.
Thanks
Steve F 
SIIA 88 69

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 98 14:32:39 EST
Subject: Re: Diesl electric question

>My main problem is that replacement of this relay is ridiculously expense 
>and it is an "agents only component". Costs about R700, ($120).

>Is there anyone who has had this problem - Is there a cheaper solution?

relay is just a switch. yank relay, wire in a dash switch. just like the old 
days.

daveb

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:36:13 +0100
Subject: Re: 3-Point Seat Belts

Hi,

On the subject of seatbelts.......

My '74 Series III doesn't have 'em. It is a UK vehicle - I suspect it has
been used heavily off road (it has Montego seats etc.) - What is the law on
seat belts in the UK now, I seem to recall that if it DIDN'T have them, it
doesn't need them, or was that just rear belts?

Thanks in Advance!!

Neil

1974 Series III - 'Robin'
1998 Ford Explorer - 'What Boy Racer? Where? I Can't see him!?'
1998 Daewoo Lanos - 'Well, the wife has to take the kids to nursery in
something!'

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From: Francois ADAMS <francois.adams@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 21:34:24 +0200
Subject: 101

Hello
I still do not know what a 101 is ! Is it a Land rover whose frame's
length between the axles is 101" ? an intermediate model between 88 and
109 ???
I would like to know where I can find a picture of a 101 ! (the best
would be to have a 88 or 109 near a 101 to compare) . 
Or  is it  the forward control which is called 101 ????

Another wuestion ! I also would like to understand what is a BUGEYE (i
understand the eye of an insect, i see the comparaison), one more time
is the a picture somewhere ?????

(I think i have a bugeye, that's why i really need info :-)) )
(My IIa has the lights on the wings, and no synchro on gearbox (1&2),
not on the inside of the bonnet (i am sure this phrase is stupid!!) )

TIA

Francois ADAMS

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From: Francois ADAMS <francois.adams@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 21:36:42 +0200
Subject: Should have searched myself before !!

Sorry to have asked you a question before asking hotbot and yahoo !!
I know for the 101 now !!
       http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/101/index.html
       but the bugeye seems to bee to "specialist reserved" for me to
       find it myself !!
       

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From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:51:59 -0500
Subject: Re: 101 

Francois Adams wrote:

> I still do not know what a 101 is ! Is it a Land rover whose frame's
> length between the axles is 101" ? an intermediate model between 88 and 109??
> I would like to know where I can find a picture of a 101 ! (the best
> would be to have a 88 or 109 near a 101 to compare) . 
> Or  is it  the forward control which is called 101 ????

http://www.off-road.com/LR_FAQ/FC/FAQ.FC.101FC.html

The background images is 101 FC along with some specs.  Land Rover made
a number of Forward Controls.  The Series IIA 109" FC was made from 1963 to
1966.  From 1967 to 1972 the Series IIB 110" FC was made.  The 101", which
is the wheelbase as you surmised, was a miltary moded made from 1972 to
1978 mostly for the British Army.   It was alson know was the 1-tonne.  It
was designed to tow a 105mm howitzer, and carry the crew and ammo.   
Ambulance versions were also amde.
> Another wuestion ! I also would like to understand what is a BUGEYE (i
> understand the eye of an insect, i see the comparaison), one more time
> is the a picture somewhere ?????
> would be to have a 88 or 109 near a 101 to compare) . 

	The Bugeye referres to the tranitional Series IIAs made between
1968 and 1969 (depending upon market) when the headlamps were first
attached to the wings.  In late IIAs, Series IIIs, 90/110/127 and Defenders
the head lampas are recessed in the wings.  In the bugeye they bulge out
from the wings.

	A page with a photo of a bugeye headlamp can be found at:

http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/IDAR/finals/TSIIA.html

	Other infor on specific LRs is linked from:

http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/LRfacts.html

	If you want a review photos of different types of Lnad Rovers on
one page look at:

http://www.off-road.com/OVLR/LRtypes.html

Ben
--
Benjamin Smith                   "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies          specifically eliminate any entries from Ben 
    (a pencom company)           involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. 
Land-  : '72 Series III 88"      He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
 -Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd     can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie

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From: Francois ADAMS <francois.adams@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 22:02:17 +0200
Subject: Re: Clutch Bleeding

Very good method !

(I know, i am late in my emails !!)

On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:04:05 -0400
"Tackley, John" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us> wrote:

Tackley,> Stretch the other end over the filled brake or clutch reservoir and
Tackley,> clamp. (I used the carb hose clamp...BTW the tube will fit all
Tackley,> years/models of LR reservoirs.)
Tackley,> Gently pump up the tube using hand pump or small 12v compressor; you
Tackley,> don't want but 10 to 15 lbs. pressure.
Tackley,> Now go loosen the bleed screw until fluid flows (just be careful not 
to
Tackley,> drain the reservoir...repeat fill - pump - bleed if needed).  
Tackley,> When new clear fluid emerges without any air bubbles, close the bleed
Tackley,> screw.

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From: Francois ADAMS <francois.adams@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 22:07:17 +0200
Subject: Re: 101 

Tahnks a lot !

I do no have a bugeye !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By the way, bugeyes are not very nice ... (i dont want to get ennemies
bye waying that!!!)

On Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:51:59 -0500
Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com> wrote:

Benjamin> http://www.off-road.com/LR_FAQ/FC/FAQ.FC.101FC.html
Benjamin> 
Benjamin> http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/IDAR/finals/TSIIA.html
Benjamin> http://www.off-road.com/RoverWeb/LRfacts.html
Benjamin> 
Benjamin> http://www.off-road.com/OVLR/LRtypes.html

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From: "Micky Cormack" <Micky101@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:10:06 +0100
Subject: Re: 3-Point Seat Belts

>On the subject of seatbelts.......
>My '74 Series III doesn't have 'em. It is a UK vehicle - I suspect it has
>been used heavily off road (it has Montego seats etc.) - What is the law on
>seat belts in the UK now, I seem to recall that if it DIDN'T have them, it
>doesn't need them, or was that just rear belts?

As I understand it (i.e. this is not gospel, just in case I'm wrong again)
UK law says that if your vehicle was not factory fitted with seatbelts, they
are not compulsory, front or rear. Kinda obvious - no seat belts would be
difficult to wear!

A mate of mine has a SI not fitted with belts. He did fit some for a while,
but he never wore them  - bit of a no-no. If belts are retro-fitted they
have to be worn. The lack of belts caused a bit of a problem at the ARC
National at Eastnor - no vehicles on the on-site drive without seatbelts.
Despite our club doing the scrutineering, it was failed. Fair enough I
suppose...

We tried to sneak in by ratchet-strapping ourselves to the seats, but that
cunning ploy didn't work either!  :(

Micky
(101 in bits)

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 98 13:19:27 -0700
Subject: Web pages enlarged.

Hi

Just a note to let you know that I have enlarged and updated the Land 
Rover section of my web site.  I have started a FAQ section, added a 
section with scanned in Dormobile advertising collateral and have updated 
the Links page adding several new Land Rover related Links.

URL:  http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman

If you have a Land Rover, Triumph TR3, or photography web site that you 
would like me to link to please send me an e-mail with your URL and a 
brief dscription of the site.

I always appriciate links from your site to my site.  

THANKS

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: "Micky Cormack" <Micky101@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:16:39 +0100
Subject: Re: 101 

>By the way, bugeyes are not very nice ... (i dont want to get ennemies
>bye waying that!!!)

Thats what I like to see, good old fashioned French diplomacy!

Only the French could p*** anyone off by offering to weigh something.... :)

Cheers,

Micky
(101 in bits)

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 16:22:14 -0500
Subject: Tire (or Tyre) lettering

I was checking out some tire/tyre (trying to be bilingual here!) sites on
the web and found out that for many sizes there were various alternatives,
some of them including the letters "LT" on the size and type stamped on
them.
Here is the question: Does "LT" stands for "Light Truck", meaning then a
semi-heavy-duty tire/tyre, tougher and harder? And as a consequense, a
tire/tyre to stay away from?
I saw this on different brands and makes.
Do I have it all right, all wrong, both, neither?
Is "Lucas" just a word to swear over?
Does God exist?
Does...
...
Sorry, questions just kept flowing!!! I got carried away.

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From: Francois ADAMS <francois.adams@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 22:39:04 +0200
Subject: Re: 101 

On Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:16:39 +0100
"Micky Cormack" <Micky101@email.msn.com> wrote:

Micky> 
Micky> >By the way, bugeyes are not very nice ... (i dont want to get ennemies
Micky> >bye waying that!!!)
Micky> Thats what I like to see, good old fashioned French diplomacy!
Micky> 
Micky> Only the French could p*** anyone off by offering to weigh something.... 
:)

I do not understand (one more time) what you mean. If it can help
understand what I said, i made an error while typing "saying", which
leads to read "waying" in my previous message...

What did the French do to you ???? :-)
By the way, when i express a personnal opinion in public in a language
which i do not manipulate perfectly, i try to excuse in advance for
saying things in a crude way, that's all !

again, your 101 (the one i received in personal mail) is very nice!

Micky> 
Micky> Cheers,
Micky> 
Micky> Micky
Micky> (101 in bits)
Micky> 

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From: "Luis Manuel Gutierrez" <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 14:47:03 -0500
Subject: RV: Tire (or Tyre) lettering

I was checking out some tire/tyre (trying to be bilingual here!) sites on
the web and found out that for many sizes there were various alternatives,
some of them including the letters "LT" on the size and type stamped on
them.
Here is the question: Does "LT" stands for "Light Truck", meaning then a
semi-heavy-duty tire/tyre, tougher and harder? And as a consequense, a
tire/tyre to stay away from?
I saw this on different brands and makes.
Do I have it all right, all wrong, both, neither?
Is "Lucas" just a word to swear over?
Does God exist?
Does...
...
Sorry, I got carried away, questions just kept flowing!!! .

Luis "MANUEL" Gutierrez

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 98 16:52:29 EST
Subject: Re: Tire (or Tyre) lettering

>Here is the question: Does "LT" stands for "Light Truck", meaning then a 
>semi-heavy-duty tire/tyre, tougher and harder? And as a consequense, a 
>tire/tyre to stay away from?

indeed if they are moving you want to stay away from them, otherwise they 
should be fine. yes it is LT and that is what LR's are. 
although MT's are Mud Terrains, and AT are all-terrains. I have RT's but I 
don't know what that stands for. Rough terrains? Rusty truck?

>Is "Lucas" just a word to swear over?
>Does God exist?

Lucas is God
God is Lucas

later
daveb

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From: "Micky Cormack" <Micky101@email.msn.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:57:55 +0100
Subject: Frenchmen

>Micky> >By the way, bugeyes are not very nice ... (i dont want to get
ennemies
>Micky> >bye waying that!!!)
>Micky> Thats what I like to see, good old fashioned French diplomacy!
>Micky>
>Micky> Only the French could p*** anyone off by offering to weigh
something.... :)
>I do not understand (one more time) what you mean. If it can help
>understand what I said, i made an error while typing "saying", which
>leads to read "waying" in my previous message...
>What did the French do to you ???? :-)
>By the way, when i express a personnal opinion in public in a language
>which i do not manipulate perfectly, i try to excuse in advance for
>saying things in a crude way, that's all !
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
>which i do not manipulate perfectly, i try to excuse in advance for
>saying things in a crude way, that's all !

Francois, my dear chap,

I have absolutely nothing against the French  - except for a French teacher
who has been chatting me up lately ;)

Salt of the earth, lovely people, never met a Frenchman I didn't like.

Don't worry about the language - I have just as much trouble with English as
you do... :)

Cheers,

Micky
(101 in bits)

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From: "M. Tompkins" <mmglass@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 17:32:17 -0400
Subject: More Photos

Hey Worldwide LROs,
        I took pictures at British Car Day, held at Allen Pond Park
in Bowie, Maryland on 28 Jun 98. Some nice pics of Austin-Healeys,
MGs, Jags,  etc. Oh and, of course, there are pictures of the
Land Rovers. I even remembered to get a picture of mine.
        The URL for the site is:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/8365/index.html
Follow the link "British Car Day@Bowie, MD to get to an index of
the pictures.
        All the pictures posted are from a Kodak DC50 zoom digital
camera. I have some more pictures I took with real film at both
Lanham Creek and BCD that I need to scan. Maybe this evening.
        Hope you all enjoy the pictures as much as we enjoyed
attending the two events.

Rover On - Mike
Mike Tompkins
Owner of 'No Chance' 1966 Hybrid Coiler 109" SW
USAF Master Sergeant
Soccer Referee
Chief Designer, M&M Stained Glass
    http://www.netcom.com/~mmglass

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:36:10 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re: Tire (or Tyre) lettering

In a message dated 7/2/98 4:52:53 PM, you wrote:

>yes it is LT and that is what LR's are. 
>although MT's are Mud Terrains, and AT are all-terrains. I have RT's but I 
>don't know what that stands for. Rough terrains? Rusty truck?

And it seems that everything Firestone makes is a TA...

--pat.

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:58:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Left hand swing...

Adams, Bill wrote:
> The problem is that in order to place items in the rear, one must
> sometimes step into traffic.
> Bill Adams
> 3D Artist/Animator
> '66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
> '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
> "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
> '81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
> "Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

I thought the back of Muddy was untidy and hard to load stuff in but
I don't believe there is any traffic in there :)
    John and Muddy

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:10:46 -0700 
Subject: RE: Left hand swing...

I can see his point.  Kind of like why you can order a refrigerator with
left or right hand doors.  Reversing the back door would make it much
easier to load the back from the curb.  

Paul in Victoria.

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From: Francois ADAMS <francois.adams@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 01:23:10 +0200
Subject: Re: Clutch bleeding

I think the break fluid DOT4 exists in mineral or in synthetic versions
(not sure at all, but that's what i believe)

On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:39:23 +0200
Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> wrote:
Adrian> 
Adrian> I don't know about the US and UK, but over here DOT 4 is DOT 4?

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From: Ian Harper/Donna-Claire McLeod <tantramar@golden.net>
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 19:31:00 +0000
Subject: What's that smell?

Any ideas on smell?  I know this is silly, as it's a LR, but the noxious
fumes seem more apparent than normal, partly because I have the hard top
off, maybe because I'm missing the exit pipe from my LH muffler (is
there that much of a bernoulli effect?) but probably because I've
finally got my carb running so it'll idle at 600rpm (albeit a bit
smoky....)

Any ideas?  Will adding an outlet pipe really help that much?  If this
keeps up any longer, no one in the family will want to go out with
me.....Hmmmm........

BTW I can't seem to get the carb to run so that it doesnt smoke,
although it seems to function well.   

Cheers, Ian
-- 
Ian Harper/Donna Claire McLeod
http://www.golden.net/~tantramar
Tantramar House Bed and Breakfast
Stratford, Ontario
Phone(519) 273-7771  Fax (519) 273-3993

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:32:15 EDT
Subject: RE: Left hand swing...

In a message dated 7/2/98 7:11:33 PM, you wrote:

>I can see his point.  Kind of like why you can order a refrigerator with
>left or right hand doors.  Reversing the back door would make it much
>easier to load the back from the curb. 

Mine swings to the right ;-)  The rear door, that is.

On most refs, you needn't order it left or right hinged, just swap the hinges
over (usually have to flip em over) and put the handle/s on the other side.
You can tell by the plastic caps over the screwholes, on the doors as well as
the top edge. If you have one of those fridges with two vertical sections (ie,
the freezer isn't over the fridge), it doesn't really matter, you probably
also prefer vans' rear doors subconsciously.

True, it would be neat if LR at least provided the screwholes and alternate
latch mount for changing your door's swing.

Today I had to lift 3 boxes out of the back, 70#, 84# & 100#; and the door was
in the way of the shortest line to the curb. I thought of this thread by box 2
and was looking for solutions after box 3. Someone will surely do it by next
year, so we can all wait & see... 

if anyone finds one that swings both ways, make sure you tell us about it...
;-0

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:40:33 EDT
Subject: Re:  What's that smell?

In a message dated 7/2/98 7:31:41 PM, you wrote:

>Any ideas on smell?  I know this is silly, as it's a LR, but the noxious

fumes seem more apparent than normal, partly because I have the hard top
off, maybe because I'm missing the exit pipe from my LH muffler (is
there that much of a bernoulli effect?) but probably because I've
finally got my carb running so it'll idle at 600rpm (albeit a bit
>smoky....)

I'd seriously investigate what it would take to run a pipe to the rear, and
preferably off to one side as well. You get all sorts of nasty fumes from
behind; that's why people in station wagons and suvs are told to drive with
the rear door closed, aside from having it bounce up & down and possibly
injure itself or somebody.

I once thought that removing the rear seal below the rear door would create a
draught in the vehicle, but when I opened a front window at speed, air went
out the window and hot air came from the crack back there. 

Also, when you blow oil from tranny, etc., or some seals, you get oil spots on
the window, and if you are fortunate enough to have a rear wiper, you are
blessed by the ability to *smear* it...

--pat.

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 16:40:36 -0700 
Subject: RE: Left hand swing...

Yes, I've changed a few fridge door sides in my life...

I was thinking that if the rear door opened toward the traffic lane,
then it would also help to heard any dogs and/or small children  to the
curb rather than out into traffic.

Paul.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:43:11 EDT
Subject: Re:  What's that smell?

In a message dated 7/2/98 7:31:41 PM, you wrote:

>BTW I can't seem to get the carb to run so that it doesnt smoke,
>although it seems to function well.   

Black smoke or bluish/white smoke? Is it always there? Functioning well is
subjective, I think someone had a 3 cylinder running ok not too long ago...

--pat.

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 18:47:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:  What's that smell?

On Thu, 2 Jul 1998 SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:

> >BTW I can't seem to get the carb to run so that it doesnt smoke,
> >although it seems to function well.   
> Black smoke or bluish/white smoke? Is it always there? Functioning well is
> subjective, I think someone had a 3 cylinder running ok not too long ago...

That may have been me.  I went several hundred miles with a failing
exhaust valve on the way to the OVLR birthday party.  Only noticed there
was a problem when you tried to accelerate.  

David

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 19:50:42 EDT
Subject: RE: Left hand swing...

In a message dated 7/2/98 7:41:05 PM, you wrote:

>I was thinking that if the rear door opened toward the traffic lane,
>then it would also help to heard any dogs and/or small children  to the
>curb rather than out into traffic.

What kind thoughts. I always wondered why my dog did a funny jump getting out
of the back... he doesn't like ducking under the door to get to the side of
the road.

Here's another reason for a double hingeable door: privacy.

Have you ever hung your bottom over the edge when you had to go (on the go?)?
The oneten has these nifty handles on the inside edge of the roof. Never
figured out when they could be used, until... and the *departure angle* is
very good. If the door swung the other way, passing motorists won't get such a
show. I keep a roll of t.p./bogroll on that handle mounted on the back door;
never really had to use it, or go off the back of the rover, but it does start
conversations...  actually I have used it for cleaning dipsticks, and wiping
down the seatbox area.

--pat.

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From: Francois ADAMS <francois.adams@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 03:58:06 +0200
Subject: Salisbury axles

Hello

I saw many people on this list mention salibury axles .
What are they ? Replacement axles / optional ?
Are they stronger than a standard 88 IIa axle ? (is the axis between
diff and wheel bigger ?)
I saw there war a different ration (3.54 and 4.17)

Every information welcome :-)

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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 98 19:21:28 -0700
Subject: Re: Salisbury axles

>Hello
>I saw many people on this list mention salibury axles .
>What are they ? Replacement axles / optional ?

'>Are they stronger than a standard 88 IIa axle ? (is the axis between
'>diff and wheel bigger ?)
'>I saw there war a different ration (3.54 and 4.17)
'
>Every information welcome :-)

The Salisbury rear Axle was fitted to the Series III civilian 109 and 
many military 109s.  The assembly is the same as a Dana 60.  The 
differiential is stonger as are the axles.  The stage 1 109s were fitted 
with Salisbury 3.54.  The 4 cylinder 109s were fitted with the 4.78.

The Salisbury did not come from the factory on an 88.  However they can 
be modified to fit.  The was an article providing step by step 
instructions for fitting a Salisbury rear axle to an 88.  I believe it is 
in the  Feb. or Mar. issue of Land Rover World.

There was also a Salisbury front axle assembly as well.

TeriAnn Wakeman               If you send me direct mail, please
Santa Cruz, California        start the subject line with TW - 
twakeman@cruzers.com           I will be sure to read the message

http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman   

Walk in harmony with the earth and all her creatures and you will create 
beauty wherever you go.

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 22:21:43 EDT
Subject: Water pump rebuild pointers

Hi all,

For those of you considering water pump rebuilds, a couple of points:
1. Don't try to drift out the spindle, use a press.  I tried to drift it out
and flattened the end off enough that I had to grind the d*mn thing down to
get it out.

2.  The rebuild kit (from RN anyway) has everything except the housing and the
location bolt.

3.  Harbor Freight has 2 different models of 12 ton shop presses; one for
$119.99 with arbor press plates, the other for $99.99 without the plates
($17.99 for the plates).  Shipping is free.

Nate

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From: lndrvr@ldd.net (BRIAN WILLOUGHBY)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 21:34:25 -0500
Subject: Mysterious, Superfluous Hole

As many of you know, I have a 1960 Series II that I am doing a frameover
on.  My question concerns the optional instrument panel located (in my
vehicle) to the left of the main gauge cluster/panel.  It contains the
small Jaeger dual gauge (water temp in degrees C & oil pressure in PSI)
which I know is original.  The question is what would the factory have
placed in the second hole in this panel?  It is obviously an original hole:
 it's just a hair too small to fit most gauge units (the Jaeger will fit, a
VDO will not), it's perfectly aligned and it was die-cut, not cut out with
a drill saw (as a previous owner would have done).  This vehicle is not an
ex-military.

Also, I am considering installing a set of Smiths gauges for oil and temp
since the Jaeger's temp function expired long ago.  It would take care of
both holes and since Jaeger got swallowed up by Smiths long ago, it's as
close to original as I can get.  Anyone know about and care to comment on
the current line of Smiths gauges?  Are they still as unreliable as they
used to be?

Thanks for the help,

Brian

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 07:00:08 +0200
Subject: Re: 101

Francois ADAMS wrote:
> What did the French do to you ???? :-)

After the opening game of the world cup all South Africans have a very
sharp answer to that question :-(
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za
http://AfricanAdrenalin.com

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 04:03:49 EDT
Subject: Re: What's that smell?

In a message dated 03/07/98 00:31:41 BST, you write:

<<  I'm missing the exit pipe from my LH muffler (is
 there that much of a bernoulli effect?) but probably because I've
 finally got my carb running so it'll idle at 600rpm (albeit a bit
 smoky....)
 
 Any ideas?  Will adding an outlet pipe really help that much?  >>

Yes

It is VERY important, not only for getting the noxious stuff away from you and
into the face of cyclists and pedestrians, but also for the smooth (ha, it's a
Land Rover) running of your engine.
 Like a human being, with a car breathing - out as well as in - is everything.

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:32:53 +0000
Subject: Re: Mysterious, Superfluous Hole

  The question is what would the factory have
>placed in the second hole in this panel?

Ammeter?

Mike Rooth

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From: Mick Forster <cmtmgf@mail.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 09:32:22 +0100
Subject: Re: Salisbury axles

Francois ADAMS wrote:

> I saw many people on this list mention salibury axles .
> What are they ? Replacement axles / optional ?
> Are they stronger than a standard 88 IIa axle ?

They are a lot heavier than the rover axle ....
I have a picture on
http://trent49.soc.staffs.ac.uk/www49/landys/LWBrst/LWBrst0004.html
which shows the axle from underneath. This web site is being updated
regularly as the rebuild progresses.

Mick Forster
1973 109" Safari (yet to be accurately aged!)2.25 petrol
1963 88" IIA 2.25 petrol
Very sad Metro :-(
http://gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~mick/landpics.html
http://stox49.soc.staffs.ac.uk/www49/landys/LWBrst/LWBrst.html
(Details will appear as time allows)

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