1948-1998 Land Rover's 50th Anniversary
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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:44:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Drive shaft alignment? Using the 109 "Ambulance Ride" rear springs is perfectly acceptable for an 88. Not too harsh but gives the extra carrying capacity. Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote: > shaft take care of the different alignment between the trans and > differential. I haven't measured the actual difference in height between > trans out put and diff, but yours sounds okay. > I'd lose the 109 rear springs. 500 pounds of fertilizer in the back of my > 88 will barely depress very tired standard springs. Driving over speed > bumps at more than a crawl will launch launch anything in the back with > this set up. 109 springs would probably be the equivalent of no springs at [ truncated by list-digester (was 15 lines)] > >ago (I had bought the vehicle without drivetrain installed, as > [ truncated by lro-lite (was 28 lines)] ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: NADdMD@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:36:53 EDT Subject: Fuel pump rebuild question Hi all, On the SIII fuel pump (petrol if it matters), are the inlet and outlet valves just press fitted or is there some sort of retainer to remove? I know in the IIa there's a retainer plate with screws, but I see no such plate in the SIII pump. Thanks Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:56:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Fuel pump rebuild question
Nate,
Last one I pulled apart had the valves pressed, then staked in place in the
body.
In disassembling it I had to cut out the old valves, then scrape down the
stakes till the new valves could be fitted. I then re-staked the valve
assemblies in the body with a blunt punch.
Can't say as I care for that design, but it does work...
Alan
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From: TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman@cruzers.com>
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 98 07:02:53 -0700
Subject: Re: Limestone paint substitute
Why use a substitute colour?
Your local automotive paint store probably has the formula in their books.
The colour is DuPont # 38505
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]From: NADdMD@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:09:21 EDT Subject: Re: Fuel pump rebuild question Hi Alan, Are the stakes you're talking about the small tabs at the edge of the valves? If so, did you cut out the valves then dig out the little tabs with a small screwdriver or knife tip? Did you have to heat up the top cover to remove the valves? Hate to have to get out the slide hammer again : P Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Rich Biby" <rich@biby.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:38:44 -0400 Subject: LRNA Weekend Event at Lanham Creek, MD My congratulations to LRNA for an outstanding event this weekend at the LRNA headquarters in Lanham Creek, MD (USA). The company did an outstanding job at organizing the event, providing for the guests, having things excellently planned out (a couple of improvements for next-time noted below) and just providing a great opportunity for all us nuts (sorry, LR enthusiasts?) to get together and celebrate 50 years of Rovers. Things they did great: Food. Price was right (!), good quality. Long lines, but that is kind of to be expected. The "collectable" rovers near the gate to the test track was the first time I had a chance to see some of the more rare cars first hand. That was very kool. The staff (yellow shirts?) were all extremely friendly, and helpful. While I knew they could not all be as happy as the seemed, they were excellent in executing their duties. Land Rover University Tour - What an outstanding thing to open up and give tours of! Thanks! Seeing the components of Rovers, cut-away gears, engines, etc really answered a bunch of questions I have had for years. Things that could have been done better: I think everyone knows that the transportation between the University and the headquarters was in need of logistical assistance. That was pretty bad. The only "other" major complaint from people I heard a lot was the length of line to drive and to ride the with the Camel Drivers. I don't know if you should have had a time appointment type of thing going or what, but that was too much sun & waiting for most folks. OK, so here is my big idea... Since that beautiful facility is already in place, and all the material exists, I was thinking LRNA should consider weekend classes with an "overview" feel or "routine maintenance" or "introduction to Rover auto mechanics" type of thing for owners. The facilities are excellent, LRNA has the instructors and class material already, why not create one or two day "light" versions of some of the classes and sell them to the largest potential market -- the customers? Once a month? Once a quarter? $200 - $600 a weekend? Other comments... The security guards obviously missed Mr. Bobeck replacing his rear diff. See Mike Tompkis' photos at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/8365/index.html However, I firmly believe that with all the oil and other fluids that LR has left in my drive way over the years, that is was appropriate, fitting and intellectually satisfying to see Dave leave a nice puddle of 90w in LRNA's drive way. Thanks again LRNA! Rich Biby 70 88" IIA 95 Disco ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:19:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Fuel pump rebuild question
>Are the stakes you're talking about the small tabs at the edge of the
valves?
Yes indeedy - they're the metal of the edge of the hole, upset to hold the
valve in.
>If so, did you cut out the valves then dig out the little tabs with a
small
>screwdriver or knife tip?
A sharp pair of dikes (diagonal cutters) did the job for me - they're
little more than pressed brass, fiber and neoprene. I then smoothed back
the tabs with a rotary tool and a fine stone. Shaving them back with a
sharp scraper would have worked as well, or dressing them out with a needle
file.
Don't use a screwdriver - you don't really want to take the chance of
hacking up the seats during this adventure. An X-Acto could be used, if
wielded skillfully.
>Did you have to heat up the top cover to remove the
>valves? Hate to have to get out the slide hammer again : P
You're working too hard. Get the old valves out by whatever means necessary
(as you ain't agonna use 'em again, it doesn't really matter), then clean
up the seats and put the new valves in with a socket or the like as a
drift. Make sure you get the right one in the right place, and don't forget
the paper washers that go underneath them.
Once they're in place, use a blunt chisel to stake 'em back in place. Done
- it's Miller time.....8*)
ajr
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]From: christopher seaman <gpzrider98@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Breckland LRC 50 th did anyone attend the Breckland Land Rover Club 50 th celebrations. Unfortunately I was,nt able to go.If It was a good day out i,ll be green with envy. 1965 Series 2a (Rosie) And i love her. ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Keith Cutler Family" <cutler_family@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:05:10 -0600 Subject: Original Paint Colors and Parabolic Springs I have two questions that I would like your opinions on during the restoration of my 1960 Series II SWB. The Rover is a tan color, with white wheels and pickup cab cap. I know that it has not been repainted. I believe the tan is not Limestone, but instead is Sand. I don't know what color the wheels and cab cap are. I've been told they were Limestone, but that the original LR paint was poor quality and they have simply faded after 38 years and look white now. Perhaps they weren't originally Limestone, but instead were a LR white that I do not know the name of. In a family vote (don't ask) we decided to paint the Rover Deep Bronze Green. My question is what color should I use for the wheels and cab cap? What would have been the original color combination in 1960? My second question regards springs. My old ones are shot. Should I put on new LR 88" springs or non-original parabolics? My Land Rover will be as original as I can make it, but I'm not sure if springs are a sacrosanct item. Any comments? Are parabolics really any better for a SWB Rover that will not be a hard-working, heavily loaded vehicle? Of course it will do a lot of off-roading here in Colorado, but it won't be a performing ranch chores since we have other vehicles for those tasks. Thanks. Keith Cutler ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ggg@mediaone.net (Gerald) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:04:06 GMT Subject: Re: visiting Brit. I did something similar about a year ago in a rental. I found a map of the Joshua Tree monument (in the park office?) which had some "off road trails" that were quite easy in the rental. Figure out how much water you need then double that for the amount to bring. On Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:40:42 +0100, you wrote: >Iam visiting San Diego in a few weeks, then driving out to Las Vegas via >Palm Springs and the Joshua Tree Monument park. I have a Chevy Blazer >rental at my disposal and would like to get some trail driving in. Nothing >too serious, after all it is a rental! -- Gerald ggg@mediaone.net ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Yves" <yves.L@suisse.org>
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:19:51 +0200
Subject: Re: LockRight locker for LR Salisbury axle?
I am using an Lock Right Locker in my Salisbury (1.47) dif for three years
(25000km) now.
(Reference LR43)
I bought it in the UK (but I didn'd traced down the adress yet). for about
300£
I am entirely satisfied with its operation. Its smooth and I didn'd had any
Problems in
the swiss winter - despite the "Deser" Tyres (Michelin XS) I am using.
The car climbed steets, covered with compressed snow, where normaly chains
should have been used. It remained fully controllable even in narrow turns.
Driving, especially
on slippery road is a little bit different, you could (have to) use the
throttle to control the car in turns.
In the desert on soft sand, tracks and rock operation was perfect. I did
about 10000km
there.
Installation was not difficult, it took me about 5 hrs.
Yves Larboulette
Sahara-Info Team
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]From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@email.msn.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:43:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Breckland LRC 50 th Surely you meant 'Deep Bronze Green' with envy? ;-P Neil P.S. Anyone know if anyone (?) has painted up their Series III in Miranda-Class Starship colours? Due to mine only having three wheels when I eventually got it home...(story posted earlier!) it is called the U.S.S. Reliant (NCC-1864) - or Robin for short (if you can't remember, the Reliant Robin is a hideous little british - blue - three wheeler!). I Have enclosed a picture of the Reliant (NCC-1864) that is! Any feedback would be nice from anyone else who has dared to to be bold with their loved one (me Landy that is!) X-deleted- [Attachment reliant10s.jpg removed, was 176 lines.] ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:44:27 EDT
Subject: Re: Original Paint Colors and Parabolic Springs
In a message dated 28/06/98 18:05:43 BST, you write:
In a family vote (don't ask) we decided to paint the Rover Deep Bronze
Green. My question is what color should I use for the wheels and cab cap?
What would have been the original color combination in 1960? <<
I must congratulate your family (well the majority of it anyhow) wonderful
colour for a Land Rover, in fact THE ONLY colour for a Land Rove.
Wheels and cab cap in Limestone, I've seen the DuPont colour somewhere not far
away recently - was it TeriAnn?
>>My second question regards springs. My old ones are shot. Should I put on
new LR 88" springs or non-original parabolics? My Land Rover will be as
original as I can make it, but I'm not sure if springs are a sacrosanct
item. Any comments? Are parabolics really any better for a SWB Rover that
will not be a hard-working, heavily loaded vehicle? Of course it will do a
lot of off-roading here in Colorado, but it won't be a performing ranch
chores since we have other vehicles for those tasks. >>
Original is one thing, but improving a vehicle's performance cannot be wrong
surely? Anyway, Santana in Spain developed parabolics while they had the Land
Rover franchise in that country so they are 'sort of' original - they
certainly were if you bought a Land Rover built in Spain.
Go for the parabloics..
Best Cheers
Frank
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]From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:59:21 Subject: Re: 109 springs on rear of 88, why?????? I cannot see how the 88 could ever carry enough to justify heavier springs. I have put as much as 800 pounds of fertilizer over or aft of the rear axle and noticed little compression of the springs. The ride is greatly improved as the springs will actually deflect on bumps rather than act as catapults as they do when unloaded. Putting stiffer springs would mean even less deflection on bumps and an extremely harsh ride. As an example, there are two speed bumps in my office parking lot. Going over these unloaded at any more than a crawl will get things in the back airborne. Off road, I commonly top out the front suspension but never any indication of that from the rear. In an 88, you wouldn't be able to put enough stuff to cause the springs to sag enough to be a problem unless you commonly haul lead. Even then hardly worth the discomfort for the few times you might think you need the extra carrying capacity. Maybe for all out off road competition a stiffer rear spring might be indicated but I think the driver would require a kidney transplant before the stock springs were over matched. Part of off road work is keeping the wheels on the ground and the stiffer springs would seriously limit articulation. You might convince me that stiffer front springs are in order but seriously doubt there need in the rear. The real problem with the rover is not stiff enough springs but limited suspension travel. If memory serves me right, its less than 5 inches up front where most of the weight is concentrated. Extended shackles or the mythical parabolics would seem to be a better choice than increased spring stiffness. Aloha Peter At 07:44 PM 6/27/98 -0400, you wrote: >Using the 109 "Ambulance Ride" rear springs is perfectly acceptable for an 88. Not too >harsh but gives the extra carrying capacity. >Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote: >> Aita Probleme as they say in Tahiti. The universal joints in the drive >> shaft take care of the different alignment between the trans and > [ truncated by lro-lite (was 20 lines)] >> Aita Probleme as they say in Tahiti. The universal joints in ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:52:31 +0200 Subject: Re: Clutch adjustment SIII 88" On the housing for the clutch pedal is a small 1/4" (7/16"!) bolt which seems to block the travel of the pedal? Does anyone know what the function of this is? I have just rebuilt the housing so I don't know how it should be set? In (blocking movement?) or out (not obstructing?) I guess that having the correct pedal travel set is important before putting new fluid into the system? Advice please? Adrian Redmond CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 86 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 54 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 00:00:22 +0200 Subject: Short circuit I have just reinstalled the cable loom on my new firewall - having first stripped the old insulation tape covering, inspecting all cables, checking continuity on all cables, and wrapping in new insulation. When I connected the power up, the pair of cables to the fan burnt out, so I removed the power - quickly! Then I put a 12 volt sidelight lamp in series with the positive line off the battery, and it lit up, indicating a short circuit to chassis/earth. I checked all cables and connections, but still could not find the short - so I pulled the loom again and checked it - still no faults. After two days (and I am a trained electrician, I am sorry to admit) I found the fault - a spade terminal on the positive line to the ammeter was bent up to allow it to clear the inside of the dash, and the mount bracket for the ammeter - when tightened, clamped its way through the spade terminal insulation, and created a short to earth. This fault was particularly poisonous - as it copuld not be measured when the wires were disconnected for testing. So just in case you are rewiring and have a ammeter in the centre dash panel - beware! (or failing beware - allow plenty of time and have a No 13 spanner and a fire extinguisher at hand. Adrian Redmond CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK (Adrian Redmond) Foerlevvej 6 Mesing DK-8660 Skanderborg Denmark telephone (office) +45 86 57 22 66 telephone (home) +45 86 57 22 64 telefacsimile / data +45 86 57 24 46 mobile GSM (EFP unit) +45 40 74 75 64 mobile GSM (admin) +45 40 54 22 66 mobile NMT +45 30 86 75 66 e-mail channel6@post2.tele.dk Visit our homepages! www.channel6.dk ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: NADdMD@aol.com Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:30:33 EDT Subject: Re: Fuel pump rebuild question In a message dated 6/28/98 11:24:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com writes: << Once they're in place, use a blunt chisel to stake 'em back in place. Done - it's Miller time.....8*) >> Short version: It's Miller time (actually Boddington's time) Long version: I pryed the old ones out with a screwdriver just under the lip. Large Craftsman Standard head. The seats looked good so I heated up the top cover, froze down the valves with a special little trick of the pathology trade (spray on freon which freezes stuff down to -40 F) and set them in after placing the gaskets and tapped them home. Closed the whole thing up and tested it out. Brewski time. I have to agree with you though, this lawnmower engineering of staking over the edge strikes me as a bit cheesy. Thanks for the help Alan, Nate ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Fuel pump rebuild question >On the SIII fuel pump (petrol if it matters), are the inlet and outlet valves >just press fitted or is there some sort of retainer to remove? I know in the >IIa there's a retainer plate with screws, but I see no such plate in the SIII >pump. Hey Nate, Let me know how you get these out! I've obviously got a SIII fuel pump on the IIA and could not get those little buggers out. Chris ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: 308nato@one.net (Carter Ledbetter) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:48:45 GMT Subject: considering a disco... Thoughts? OK, my wife has agreed to separate with her F*rd Exploder; she's interested in a Discovery (used, 94/95-ish?). I like my Wrangler, and cheerfully turn wrenches when necessary.... but don't want to do so more than necessary. I remain concerned about parts availability in certain areas of the US; anybody have specific wisdom on this? Based on what I've read, it sounds like the basic structure of the Discovery is sound; only minor complaints on build quality and difficulties with the 'frosting' that LRNA deems necessary to sell iron in the colonies... I've been struck by the Discovery since I first saw it at the IAA in Frankfurt 93. Wish we could get about a 3.0 litre normally asperated diesel in the beast... Then I'd have the ideal mix of size, range, torque, and off-road capability! TIA, and Cheers! Carter Cincinnati ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Wolfe, Charles" <CWolfe@smdc.org> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:08:23 -0500 Subject: RE: considering a disco... Thoughts? I think you meant in the States, United States <g> I mean I love land rovers and all but it's the States. cwolfe ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:42:07 -0400 Subject: Re: 109 springs on rear of 88, why?????? The Ambulance Ride springs are a soft spring with a set of two helper leaves. They do not limit your axle articulation neither do they give a harsh ride. They give a much improved ride on an 88 that is used in a heavily loaded condition on a regular basis or which is used for towing.a trailer. The regular and the heavy duty 109 springs should not be used on an 88 since they transmit excessive forces to the frame. Faye and Peter Ogilvie wrote: > I cannot see how the 88 could ever carry enough to justify heavier > springs. I have put as much as 800 pounds of fertilizer over or aft of the > rear axle and noticed little compression of the springs. The ride is > greatly improved as the springs will actually deflect on bumps rather than > act as catapults as they do when unloaded. Putting stiffer springs would > mean even less deflection on bumps and an extremely harsh ride. As an > example, there are two speed bumps in my office parking lot. Going over [ truncated by list-digester (was 38 lines)] > > [ truncated by lro-lite (was 20 lines)] > [ truncated by lro-lite (was 9 lines)] ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 980629 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Benjamin Smith <bens@psasolar.colltech.com>
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:02:43 -0500
Subject: LRNA 50th Event, 260 LRs...
(I know this is small for the UK, but is is big for the US).
I just got back it was a good event. And we may have sowed the
seeds to make this an annual event. LRNA said that 260 Land Rovers
showed up. This would be a record for the US (one that hopefully the ANARC
rallye will exceed in a few short weeks). Between 12:00 and 12:15 I
walked around and did a Rover count and came up with 193. After this
Rovers started to leave, but new ones kept arriving. I would assume that
the ration stayed the same. Additionally at Land Rover (NA) University
there wwas a D110 SW Tdi, a D110 Tdi High cap, a Camel Trophy Disco Tdi
(a wonderful drive!!) and a handful of other corporate LRs.
The breakdown at LR corporate was:
Series I: 6 ( 80" Soft Top, 86", 1952 86" "Woody" Station wagon
replica, '51 80", '52 80" Hard Top and '57 88"
Hard top )
Series II/IIA, 88" : 12
109": 8
Series III 88" : 6
109" : 2 (including a Carawagon)
Defender 110 : 5 (including NAS #1)
Defender 90 Soft Top: 14
Defender 90 Station Wagon: 19
Range Rover Classic: 28
Range Rover, mk II: 16
Discovery: 73
Other: 4 (Series III Shorland Armored Car, Series IIB 110"
Forward control, and 2 Series/Range Rover hybrids)
Ben
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Benjamin Smith "If I were running such a contest, I would
Collective Technologies specifically eliminate any entries from Ben
(a pencom company) involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.
Land- : '72 Series III 88" He'd drive it up the Amazon Basin for a half
-Rover: '94 Discovery 5-Spd can of Jolt and a stale cookie." --K. Archie
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