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From: "Huub Pennings" <hps@fs1-kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:16:33 +0100
Subject: Re: Front Tire Wear - IIA

Hi Peter,
	If  your front tires are worn on the inside edges, it is a a toe-in 
/ toe out problem.  You have to much toe-out , you should set them 
at a slight toe-in of aprox 1.5 to 2.5 mm difference measured at the 
rims (done by measuring the distance between the rims at the 
front and the back)  while the wheels are standing in the straight 
ahead position on a flat surface, adjust, roll the car for a few 
metres and repeat this until you have the right amount. 
Quite easy to handle this yourself!

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 18 Jun 98 09:10:44 MST
Subject: Sticky valves

From:  David Brown - Graphics Specialist ~SRP~ E-mail: debrown@srp.gov
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
                                    Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
John asks about freeing sticky valves...

John, how did you determine that the valves are sticky? I may have a
similar problem, rough idle, won't pass emissions test, sucking at the
exhaust pipe (but not a steady, regular miss, mine is very irregular.)
First make sure your valves are adjusted properly.

Here's some of the ideas that I've tried:

   Slowly pour some ATF (or Marvel Mystery Oil) down the carburetor at
   medium engine rpm. (without stalling out the engine) (Very smoky!)

   Add 1 quart ATF to oil and run for a "while" (ATF is very high detergent
   oil - won't hurt the engine if driven easily, but cleans it out.)
   Then change oil/filter and add a can of "Risoline" (valve lubricant)

   Add 1 quart ATF to full gas tank. (Smokes a good deal out the exhaust.)
   I still have a little less than .5 tank left to burn off, takes too long
   to use it all up if you can't drive it around.

I've tried all these with no luck, but I'm not positive that it's just a
sticky valve.

My next "trick" will be to pull the valve cover and soak things down with
Kroyl. (Kroyl is a "super lubricant" kind of like penetrating oil.)
If this doesn't do it, I'm pulling the head.

I found out a way to determine if it's ignition or valves. If a vacuum
gauge reads steady it's an ignition problem, but if the needle vibrates,
it's a valve problem. Before I learned this, I replaced wires, plugs, cap,
rotor, points, condenser. Then I tried the vacuum gauge and discovered a
"vibrating" needle. Experience is sometimes the best teacher, though not
always the preferred method of learning! ;-)

Good luck, and please share any other ideas or tips you get!
Dave Brown

 Never give up your life for          #=======#         _____l___
 anything that death can take         |__|__|__\___    //__|__|__\___
 away.            -annonymous  __\ _  | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
                               O---O  "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)

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From: "Suzukiman" <Adam.Jones@mcmail.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:51:16 +0100
Subject: Re: manuel

Yes Mr Fawlty

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:20:03 +0200
Subject: Freelander

I have just had a test drive in the new Freelander!

OK - it's not a series, a defender, or a rangie - and it might be a low
budget disco, but it's a nice car to drive.

My deal says he was also sceptical, "We have a ditch in front of the
garage, and anything which can cross it qualifies as being a Land Rover"
- the freelander crossed it OK.

There's lots of plastic - inclusing the front fenders and all trims, the
motor is small - open the bonnet and the first thought that enters your
head is "OK - and where's the motor then?"

But the motor is quiet - for an SIII diesel owner, overreving is easy -
especially when starting up - you can easily think that the motor has
stalled.

It doesn't drive - it sails - gentle swaying - helped no doubt by the
shocks and power steering.

And it's fast - at least compared with my 88" - this is a landie which
can earn it's owner a spoeeding ticket.

But it is still a car - a fine competitor to the jap SUV's - but still a
car. And forgive me for saying it - with a price tag of £40,000 for a
five seater version here in Denmark - I'll be driving the SIII 88" for a
few years yet.

Which reminds me - I'd better return to the workshop - tonight is
steering rods and joints.

Rover on...

 
Adrian Redmond

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From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" <rover@pinn.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:42:51 -0400
Subject: Looking for...

Pardon the bandwidth, but I need to talk with Soren Vels...I'd like to
download the 50th Anniversary logo for the next newsletter, but the URL is
listed as "not found on this server" and none of the links seem to work.
Cheers

  *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----*
  |                                                   |
  |             A. P. ("Sandy") Grice                 |
  |    Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
  |     Association of North American Rover Clubs     |
  |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
  |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 |
  *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----*

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From: "brian ..." <brdelab@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:00:51 PDT
Subject: Re: Sticky valves

Have you done a compression check on each cylinder?
To determine that I had a sticking valve, I did a vacuum test to see if 
the needle was vibrating back and forth quickly.  I then did a 
compression check on each cylinder to check the pressure.  The fourth 
cylinder had a really low compression.  If you squirt a little bit of 
oil into the chamber of the suspect cylinder, and the compression 
increases then it is one of the rings.  If the compression stays the 
same, then it is a valve.

I hope that I remembered all of this correctly.

Good Luck,

Brian

1971 IIA 88 SW "M"

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>   medium engine rpm. (without stalling out the engine) (Very smoky!)
>   Add 1 quart ATF to oil and run for a "while" (ATF is very high 
detergent
>   oil - won't hurt the engine if driven easily, but cleans it out.)
>   Then change oil/filter and add a can of "Risoline" (valve lubricant)
>   Add 1 quart ATF to full gas tank. (Smokes a good deal out the 
>To: lro@playground.sun.com
exhaust.)
>   I still have a little less than .5 tank left to burn off, takes too 
long
>   to use it all up if you can't drive it around.
>I've tried all these with no luck, but I'm not positive that it's just 
>   Add 1 quart ATF to full gas tank. (Smokes a good deal out the 
a
>sticky valve.
>My next "trick" will be to pull the valve cover and soak things down 
>   Add 1 quart ATF to full gas tank. (Smokes a good deal out the 
with
>Kroyl. (Kroyl is a "super lubricant" kind of like penetrating oil.)
>If this doesn't do it, I'm pulling the head.
>I found out a way to determine if it's ignition or valves. If a vacuum
>gauge reads steady it's an ignition problem, but if the needle 
>X-To: <JKwas61947@aol.com>, Land Rover owners  <lro@playground.sun.com>
vibrates,
>it's a valve problem. Before I learned this, I replaced wires, plugs, 
cap,
>rotor, points, condenser. Then I tried the vacuum gauge and discovered 
a
>"vibrating" needle. Experience is sometimes the best teacher, though 
not
>always the preferred method of learning! ;-)
>Good luck, and please share any other ideas or tips you get!
>Dave Brown
> Never give up your life for          #=======#         _____l___
> anything that death can take         |__|__|__\___    //__|__|__\___
> away.            -annonymous  __\ _  | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
>                               O---O  "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)
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>  ** 'lro' mailing list information from 
'majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net'
>always the preferred method of learning! ;-)

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From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:14:45 GMT
Subject: Ser II 88" Hard Top FS (restoration project)

Bonjour à tous, 

I have a 1960 Ser II Hard top for sale.

- Frame needs rear X-member w/extensions
- Rest of frame is solid (except 1 outrigger) 
- Stored inside for past 17 years
- 2 liter engine (not seized, am trying to make it start)
- tailgate + taillid
- body is ok, few dents, no rips in alloy
- 16" wheels
- complete

Her name is Mathilda and would make a great restoration project. Too nice to
be a parts car in my opinion.

Asking price = 1200$ Cdn

 I am located in Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, about 30 miles north of the
Vermont/Quebec border. 

Thank you, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Rock Forest, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: "Jonathan Lee" <jonathan_lee@hrcc.on.ca>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 14:26:59 EST
Subject: Re: M. Bertrand.

     Bonjour monsieur,
     
     Ca va?
     
     How's the bulkhead?
     
     How's the floorpan?
     
     Doors?
     
     Anything else?
     
     you can email me at jonathan_lee@hrcc.on.ca
     
     JL

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:45:17 EDT
Subject: Re: Freelander

In a message dated 18/06/98  18:32:25, you write:

<< My deal says he was also sceptical, "We have a ditch in front of the
 garage, and anything which can cross it qualifies as being a Land Rover"
  >>

Adrian,
was that Per ?

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: MRogers315@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:30:40 EDT
Subject: H

Am I missing something?

Mike Rogers
Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:25:17 -0400
Subject: Transfer case

Tom.. The series 1, 2 and 3 transfer cases are interchangable, however the
low ratios are different  1 and  2 are the same, as are  the 2A and 3
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:32:30 -0500
Subject: Compresion Test

I have a question (I know it most likley will sound like a stupid question but 
I have never worked on a diesel engine, and they are kind of a mystery for me):

How are compression tests performed on diesels? 

LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
Departamento Legal - JCCCSA
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: "Marc-Andre Leger" <ma@wsrv12.wefa.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:39:59 -0500
Subject: RE: Ser II 88" Hard Top FS (restoration proj

Michel, my brother lives a few miles away in Cowansville (Quebec) and would
perhaps be interested, can you send me your phone number by private email
and I'll setup an appointment to see the LR.

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From: E York & E Griffiths <elwyny@mailshuttle.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:41:07 +0100
Subject: Re: 

At 15:30 18/06/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Am I missing something?
>Mike Rogers
>Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid

Its a new form of code. Forget the letters and look at under the semi-colon
at the top which will have a microdot under...

EY
In a Series Landrover, No One Can Hear You Scream!!!
S3 '72 Lightweight. "The Green Brick"

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:36:31 +0200
Subject: Søren Vel's e-mail

Søren Vel's e-mail is dko5319@vip.cybercity.dk

Hope this helps!

Adrian Redmond

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:34:29 +0200
Subject: Re: Freelander

All three of them actually!

Looking forward to meeting you when you get over to Denmark - I may even
have a fully restored 88" by then!

Adrian Redmond

CHANNEL 6 TELEVISION DENMARK       (Adrian Redmond)
Foerlevvej 6  Mesing  DK-8660  Skanderborg  Denmark
telephone (office)                  +45 86 57 22 66
telephone (home)                    +45 86 57 22 64
telefacsimile / data                +45 86 57 24 46
mobile GSM (EFP unit)               +45 40 74 75 64
mobile GSM (admin)                  +45 40 54 22 66
mobile NMT                          +45 30 86 75 66
e-mail                       channel6@post2.tele.dk
Visit our homepages!                www.channel6.dk

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:11:47 EDT
Subject: Re: H

In a message dated 18/06/98  20:33:31, you write:

<< Am I missing something? >>

yes

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:11:56 EDT
Subject: Re: Freelander

In a message dated 18/06/98  22:47:34, you write:

<< Looking forward to meeting you when you get over to Denmark - I may even
 have a fully restored 88" by then! >>

and I may have a fully restored heart - it's a date!

Best Cheers

Frank
             +--+--+--+   	        
            I !__|  [_]|_\___   
            I ____|”_|"__|_ | /   B791 PKV - Bronze Green 110
            "(o)======(o)"

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From: PScales <pscales@blvl.igs.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:30:46
Subject: FS: 1959 Series II 88" (near Silver Lake)

FOR SALE

1959 Land Rover 88" SWB Series II
Body dented but complete.
Frame and outriggers are good forward of rear axle;
separate new rear crossmember with extensions included.
Windows are all good (one is broken but I have a spare).
Diesel engine runs well, starts easily; one leaky injector.
New tie rod ends (new from Land Rover UK) installed.
New exhaust pipe (from UK).
Bulkhead is pretty rusty.
Tires all hold air.
Located in Trenton, Ontario, an hour from Silver Lake.
$2,000 (Cdn) as is, where is.
I'll be at Silver Lake OVLR Party with photos, etc. (Staying in motel)
Peter Scales
(613) 965-6443
pscales@blvl.igs.net

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:06:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Compresion Test

Luis Manuel Gutierrez wrote:
> I have a question (I know it most likley will sound like a stupid question 
but I have never worked on a diesel engine, and they are kind of a mystery for 
me):

You Will need a diesel compression tester. this opperates a t a much
higher pressure than a petrol one. The test is performed either by
removing an injector or a glow plug. this will depend on the engine
being tested. On a series Diesel I suspect you would take out athe
injectors.
    John and Muddy 

> How are compression tests performed on diesels?
> LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
> Departamento Legal - JCCCSA
> lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
> lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:39:59 EDT
Subject: rear oil seal

So, the rear hub on Tigger is slowly showing oil stains.  I decide to change
the rear oil seal out.

Changed it and put in a new one.  I even installed a new D-90 style vent on
the axle case to make sure that pressure wasn't causing problems.

Three days later, the oil stains are back.  It isn't too bad but I'd rather
not have it if possible.

Can someone please share their technique(s) with me?  Thanks in advance!

Gerry Elam
PHX AZ
'73 Series III Softtop "Tigger"   (daily driver until it hits 110 degrees!)
'67 Dormobile "Humpty Dumpty"  (in various pieces!)
'95 Discovery "Great White"  

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From: Dale Smith <smithdv1@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:27:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: H

y

---MRogers315@aol.com wrote:
 
 Am I missing something?

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:34:53 EDT
Subject: rear oil seal...

That's the hub seal.  Sorry.
Gerry

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From: "Tom Dixon" <tomd@clear.net.nz>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:22:59 +1200
Subject: 2.5 v6

Hello to all on the list.
I looking to fit another motor into my rover I have the chance to pick up
2x's ford V6 2.5 Granada motor. I know nothing about Ford motors. Do these
motors have a good or bad history? and are adaptor plates etc available?
The price the guys want is $250.00 NZD. Any Help/info would of course be
greatly appreciated. 
Tom Dixon
ZL2UPG
Series 3
tomd@clear.net.nz
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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 06:22:16 +1000
Subject: Re: Rolled series vehicle

OK, I'll try again.  This time I've cleaned the message up in a word
processor.

Ron

It seems that Graham didn't send this message to the Coiler or Series list
so here goes.
Ron

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@email.msn.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:34:02 +0100
Subject: Re: Rolled series vehicle

Hi guys,

I know I'm a bit of a newbie here, but everyone's been a great help to me so
far.

Problem :-

    When I picked up my Series III (1974 88" Hard Top), one of the rear
wheels came off while I was turning a corner - not the nicest experience
when your used to driving a Ford Explorer! After the skid and, luckily,
painless recovery of the wheel I discovered that the old girl had come down
hard on the wheel as it had left the beast! So I now have a nasty dent in
the rear bodywork - pushed UP from underneath - not a normal impact dent -
any suggestions on straightening her out would be greatly awaited!!! (?)

Neil

P.S. The old girls name is now the U.S.S. Reliant .... or Robin for short
(draw your own conclusions!) - and as a result of her accident she is going
to sport a new white coat, full United Federation of Planets Decals and her
registry number.....are we sad?

TTFN

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From: Kevin Whitmarsh <kevin.whitmarsh@which.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:20:17 +0100
Subject: Re: Difference between a 110 and 130.

SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:
> *20*  (or 17 if it is a 127)  ;-)

Actually the 130 is still a 127 inch wheelbase, early one were called
127's and when the marketing department got hold of it, it became the
130. (after all the 90 is really 92")

Is available in many different body forms, or even whith out a rear body
at all, so that specialist builders can put their own rear body on.

In the UK they are very popular with electricity supply companies and
with our Enviroment Agency (who look after rivers ect).  These two
users groups tend to go for crew-cab style vehicle.  Ie. a four dour
front passenger compartment (imagine a 110 county body chopped off
behind the rear doors) with a large box body on the back.

There has been a few of the hi-cap style pickup body variants for sale
recently as ex-MOD disposals with fairly low mileage.  These were used
as Rapier AA missile battery tractors equipped with V8 and front
electric winches, these go for about  7K UK pounds.
-- 
Kevin Whitmarsh
Basingstoke, UK

4-wheels  1985 110 County V8         1995 BMW 318IS Coupe
2-wheels  1993 Orange Elite with 'XT,Hope,Middleburn etc.

http://homepages.which.net/~kevin.whitmarsh/

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From: Terje Krogdahl <tekr@nextel.no>
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:52:32 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Re: rear oil seal

On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 GElam30092@aol.com wrote:

> So, the rear hub on Tigger is slowly showing oil stains.  I decide to change
> the rear oil seal out.

Are the stains on the outside of the wheel? If so, it is not likely to be
hub seal. More likely to be a leak between the hub and the driving member,
or the hub cap itself.

I usually use silicone to seal between the hub and the driving member.
Also make sure the felt gasket around the halfshaft (just behind the
1" nut on the end of the half shaft is OK. Finally, apply a round of
silicone on the inside edge of the hub cap before fitting it.

Oh, and make sure the 6 bolts holding the driving member to the hub
are tight. On some hubs, one of the bolt holes have a small channel into
the hub itself. Presumably so you can add oil through it. If the bolt in
that hole is loose, oil can seep out there.

Terje Krogdahl
Norwegian Land Rover Club
http://www.land.rover.no
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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