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1 "d.h.lowe" [dhlowe@idire22Re: V.8. Piston rings
2 "Huub Pennings" [hps@fs131Re: IIa body re-install - tips?
3 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o14Re[2]: V.8. Piston rings
4 NADdMD@aol.com 15Tappet retaining bolt question
5 Luis Manuel Gutierrez [l26Re: Lead Generation - postal, email & tel - your prospects
6 M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (M15Re: Lead Generation - postal, email & tel - your prospects
7 David Scheidt [david@inf17spam (was Re: Lead Generation - postal, email & tel - your prospects)
8 Scott Wilson [scott@scra16RE: spam (was Re: Lead Generation - postal, email & tel - your
9 "C R. Wolfe" [cwolfe@d.u10Difference between a 110 and 130.
10 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o34Re[2]: IIa body re-install - tips?
11 Erik Jerkersson [Erik.Je18-52 cylinder head gasket
12 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o19Re: Tappet retaining bolt question
13 Chris Swart [swartc@iafr18re: Beluga Black
14 "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti18Re: Fusebox for IIa? (sequel)
15 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o22Re: Fusebox for IIa? (sequel)
16 Alan Bishop [a.bishop@ze24? positive earth.
17 Alan Bishop [a.bishop@ze24Not a series 2 question.
18 andy Smith [andy@bobstar21Re: Dormie rims ???
19 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml18RE: IIa body re-install - tips?
20 debrown@srp.gov 32Fraud warning...
21 JB Kropp [JB@flycast.com17FOR SALE: 1971 IIA
22 "drew squires" [drewteri23Re: Forward to the Becketts (+ / - Earth)
23 debrown@srp.gov 24'41-'45 Willys for sale
24 "drew squires" [drewteri16Re: G10 Winch! -- AMAZING!!!
25 "drew squires" [drewteri17Re: Alternator/Beluga Black
26 SPYDERS@aol.com 24Re: Difference between a 110 and 130.
27 "Marc-Andre Leger" [ma@w27G10 Winch !
28 "drew squires" [drewteri18Re: LR fraud warning
29 SPYDERS@aol.com 21Re: spam (was Re: Lead Generation - postal, email & tel - your
30 tabercro@acadia.net (Tom18SII transfer case
31 SPYDERS@aol.com 20re: Beluga Black
32 Francois ADAMS [francois20Re: Dormobiles : thanks for the reponse+question
33 SPYDERS@aol.com 11Re: Re: Dormobiles : thanks for the reponse+question
34 SPYDERS@aol.com 26Re: Dormobiles : thanks for the reponse+question
35 debrown@srp.gov 18How do I know if I have a "Bugeye?"
36 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o14Re: How do I know if I have a "Bugeye?"
37 Alan Bishop [a.bishop@ze28Re: Not a series 2 question. (FWD) (FWD)
38 Paul Quin [Paul_Quin@pml16RE: Not a series 2 question. (FWD) (FWD)
39 "d.h.lowe" [dhlowe@idire20Re: V.8. Piston rings
40 Frankelson@aol.com 7test
41 SPYDERS@aol.com 17Re: How do I know if I have a "Bugeye?"
42 SPYDERS@aol.com 13Re: test
43 john cranfield [john.cra15Re: Lead Generation - postal, email & tel - your prospects
44 "DENISE THOMSON" [dentho22Re: V.8. Piston rings
45 "DENISE THOMSON" [dentho17Re: V.8. Piston rings
46 "William L. Leacock" [wl11gaiters
47 "William L. Leacock" [wl12Relay
48 "William L. Leacock" [wl18Engine noise
49 "William L. Leacock" [wl15Ticking
50 "William L. Leacock" [wl13wide rims
51 D110LR@aol.com 80When SPAM was *funny*... (Absolutely NO lr in this one folks)
52 poufo66@vlsi.kaist.ac.kr73Global Internet Exposure (we do the work)
53 SPYDERS@aol.com 22Re: wide rims
54 Mike Johnson [johnsonm@b23Re: How do I know if I have a "Bugeye?"
55 Paul Oxley [paul@adventu25Re: Global Internet Exposure (we do the work)
56 "drew squires" [drewteri14Re: When SPAM was *funny*... (Absolutely NO lr in this one folks)
57 Rovergo@aol.com 13RE:Ticking
58 Rovergo@aol.com 9Re(?): Help! steering problems on a 90...
59 Rovergo@aol.com 1211 A Body re-install
60 "The Becketts" [hillman@10Fw: Rolled series vehicle
61 Semih Bingol [semih@leo.13Re: Fw: Rolled series vehicle


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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:47:31 -0400
Subject: Re: V.8. Piston rings

Charles.      Thanks for the fast response, much appreciated. I will chase them
down, although it`s too late for me to get the beast up and running for the
weekend..Thanks again.

CIrvin1258@aol.com wrote:

> from 1977-1983, and Series 3 109, from 1981-1983 with AE piston number
> 18617V1, and ring thicknesses were...
> #1 - 1.59
> #2 - 1.59
> #3 - 4.76
> The Deves Piston Ring set number, is 2183, and the LIST price, is $(U.S.)

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> Hope this helps.
> Charles

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From: "Huub Pennings" <hps@fs1-kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:30:12 +0100
Subject: Re: IIa body re-install - tips?

Hi 

     would it not be handy to put the motor and gearbox back first?
Then install the two upright standing posts to attach the bulkhead to 
and the steering box assembly minus the steer, slide in the bulkhead 
and loosely attach the two bolts on the chassis. Reinstall the reartub 
if you have taken it off and then install the doors and align the 
doors by positioning the bulkhead. At least this is what I intent to 
do in the next three weeks, any comment on this procedure???????

How do these shims look? The only shims I found when disassembling my 
two '88' SIII's were the ones to go between the rear tub and the 
chassis on the front side, an a number of them which were placed 
between the steering assembly and the bulkhead (these have three 
holes in them and are placed to fill the gap betwqeen the positioned 
bulkhead an steering box)

Success and keep us posted with any tips on your part!
l
Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 08:36:47 EST
Subject: Re[2]: V.8. Piston rings

>The Deves Piston Ring set number, is 2183, and the LIST price, is $(U.S.) 
>142.80.

ok, there you go. we'll see you at Silver Lake (or in it)
also DAP used to have lots of old rangie parts and I'm sure RN has them too.

later
daveb

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:17:10 EDT
Subject: Tappet retaining bolt question

Hi all,

Anyone have experience with the newer style tappet retaining bolts?  They have
a thicker head and do not use the soft iron wire to retain them.  I just put
in the new tappets, and I find the wired bolts are very much a pain in the
tail.  I'm thinking of just using the newer style retaining bolt instead.
Comments?

Nate

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From: Luis Manuel Gutierrez <lgutierr@jccr.co.cr>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:21:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Lead Generation - postal, email & tel - your prospects

We are not only getting spam on the list, but spams with instructions on how to 
begin your own spamming business, and selling us software for it!!!!

It's just great!!!

At 06:51 PM 6/16/98 +1100, you wrote:
> NEW LEAD GENERATING TECHNOLOGY - your customers are waiting !
> We have developed the newest lead generating technology. You can now
> increase your leads, whether you have a general or targeted market.
> Using your computer and our technology, you can generate leads 24
> hours a day and 7 days a week. It only takes five to ten minutes to
> start the process. Then, let your computer do the work, 24 hours a

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> __________________________________________
> *** end ***
LUIS MANUEL GUTIERREZ
Departamento Legal - JCCCSA
lgutierr@jccr.co.cr
lgutierr@hotmail.com

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From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:39:23 +0000
Subject: Re: Lead Generation - postal, email & tel - your prospects

>We are not only getting spam on the list, but spams with instructions on
>how to begin your own spamming business, and selling us software for
>it!!!!
>It's just great!!!

Mmmm.From Queen's University Belfast by the look of it as well.Wonder
if the University knows.......

Mike Rooth

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:49:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: spam (was Re: Lead Generation - postal, email & tel - your prospects)

On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Mike Rooth wrote:
> Mmmm.From Queen's University Belfast by the look of it as well.Wonder
> if the University knows.......

Not likely.  most spam is forged, but I can't tell, becasue majordomo
snips the headers.  

What would be the opinion of not letting people subscribed to the list
post to it?  That would stop most spammers.  

David

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From: Scott Wilson <scott@scratchstudio.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:10:37 -0400
Subject: RE: spam (was Re: Lead Generation - postal, email & tel - your 
prospects)

> What would be the opinion of not letting people subscribed to the list
> post to it?  That would stop most spammers.  

Is there anyone on this list that can do that to the listserver? It would
be a very good Idea to not let anyone post unless they are members of 
the list. There's been what? Three spams (not counting the G-10 winch).
I'm sure that it will only get worse. 

-Scott

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From: "C R. Wolfe" <cwolfe@d.umn.edu>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:14:14 -0500
Subject: Difference between a 110 and 130.

Are there any difference between a D110 and D130 other than frame  and
lenght of drive shaft/ fuel and electric lines and such?

cwolfe

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 11:20:11 EST
Subject: Re[2]: IIa body re-install - tips?

>Hi put the motor and gearbox back...nstall the two upright...posts... 
>attach the bulkhead...steering box assembly...slide in the bulkhead 
>and loosely attach the two bolts on the chassis...reartub...install 
>the doors and align doors...any comment??

yes. tis how I did mine, doors shut perfectly every time.

>How do these shims look? 
>attach the bulkhead...steering box assembly...slide in the bulkhead 
the only shims I ran across were in the steering box/bulkhead/chassis 
attachement. It is important to make sure these bits all fit snug or they will 
either not bolt up straight or they will come loose after driving a few weeks. 
I know this from experience. I didn't have all the shims, so I had to make 
some.
there were two types, one had three holes in a triangular pattern and the other 
was shaped like an "E".

later
daveb

Success and keep us posted with any tips on your part! 
l
Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: Erik Jerkersson <Erik.Jerkersson@space.se>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:18:24 +0200
Subject: -52 cylinder head gasket

Hi there,

I am the proud owner of a Land Rover from 1949. Engine from 1952. However,
since it is now broken, I would appreciate it if someone could help me in
answering the following question.

I would like to know the spare part number of a cylinder head gasket of
a Land Rover of the above mentioned model.

Regards,

Erik

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 11:26:48 EST
Subject: Re: Tappet retaining bolt question

>>> I find the wired bolts are very much a pain in the tail. 

eastwoods sells pliers that spin to twist the wire. they make all the 
difference. seen em in action and they really work. part #3184 safety wire 
pliers only $27.99 get them now before they're sold out! :)
eastwoods 1 800 345 1178
I personally would buy the tool to make tie wiring easy, rather than using the 
non-drilled bolts.

but that's just me. 

later
daveb

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From: Chris Swart <swartc@iafrica.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:58:28 +0200
Subject: re: Beluga Black

Art Bitterman wrote:

> Secondly, I was reading the archives last night and the color "Beluga Black" 
was mentioned.

The roe of the large white sturgeon (Huso huso) of the Black and Caspian
seas is processed into Beluga Caviar. Caviar is blackish. A possibility?
Beluga is derived from byeliî, which is Russian for white. Is Beluga
Black i.e. White Black not self-contradictory, even paradoxical?

Regards
Chris

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From: "\"Mr. Mike\" Passaretti" <passaretti@sol.med.ge.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:38:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Fusebox for IIa? (sequel)

>>>>> "Alan" == Alan Richer <Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com> writes:

    Alan> Robert,

    Alan> Most of the small british iron used a 4-fuse box
    Alan> that's ccompatible. Just check with a good MG or
    Alan> Triumph shop for it.

My TR-4 has the same moderately braindead 2x35 box as 
the SII, so look for something TR-6-ish or later...

							-MM

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 11:32:57 EST
Subject: Re: Fusebox for IIa? (sequel)

>  Someone mentioned that fuseboxes for later-year series trucks (III?) 
>have four fuses - would that work?

yes. there were a number of brit. cars that used the same or similar 
box. probably all of them actually. I have a spare one (that I am going 
to use) that has a plastic snap on cover on it and is designed to mount 
to a firewall, this would be perfect for a IIa where the box is 
supposed to be on the firewall. (on the III it is under the steering 
column)
Sorry i would rather not part with it though. $5 at one of the car 
shows would get you one likely. I can look for you at british car day 
in bowie MD next weekend if you'd like. I'd be happy to pick one up 
and post it to you if you haven't come up w/ something by then.
You gonna be at the b'day party?
cheers
daveb

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From: Alan Bishop <a.bishop@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:25:08 +0100
Subject: ? positive earth.

This series 2A of mine (on a D plate) does it have positive or negative earth?

Before you tell me to go and look - I already have!!

Both terminals have heavy black leads coming from them - the negative 
side drops down below the battery (to wet to crawl underneath) and 
the positive side attaches to a large 'bolt' in the middle of the 
bulk head along with a couple of other thick black leads.

The reason for asking is really to make sure before fitting my radio 
and CD changer from my rover car because I don't want it all to go up in smoke.

It will be very interesting to see how the CD performs in the series 
2 - it will probably only work at traffic lights.

Regards

Alan.

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From: Alan Bishop <a.bishop@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:34:59 +0100
Subject: Not a series 2 question.

This series 2A of mine (on a D plate) does it have positive or negative earth?

Before you go and tell me to look - I already have!!

Both terminals have heavy black leads coming from them - the negative 
side drops down below the battery (to wet to crawl underneath) and 
the positive side attaches to a large 'bolt' in the middle of the 
bulk head along with a couple of other thick black leads.

The reason for asking is really to make sure before fitting my radio 
and CD changer from my rover car because I don't want it all to go up in smoke.

It will be very interesting to see how the CD performs in the series 
2 - it will probably only work at traffic lights.

Regards

Alan.

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From: andy Smith <andy@bobstar.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:29:19 +0100
Subject: Re: Dormie rims ???

In message <bulk.25124.19980615190008@Land-Rover.Team.Net>, Daryl Webb
<dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au> writes
>Howdy strangers, long time no see...
>was asked a question over the weekend whch stumped me, even more 
>concerning I couldnt find it on the net (at least not quickly) or in any 
>book I can lay my hands on.-- 
>So call in the heavy artillery, the LRO cognosenti...

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>Oh please Cc direct to me as I'm not on the list at present
>  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

They are probably of a 109 or 110 forward control which have a massive offset.
-- 
andy Smith

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:50:37 -0700
Subject: RE: IIa body re-install - tips?

Robert,

It all bolts together fairly strait forwardly.  The only place with room
for adjustment is the vertical angle of the bulkhead which affects the
alignment of the doors.  This can be adjusted by adding / removing shims
from where the bulkhead attaches to the steering box support posts on
both sides.

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/4954/
Victoria, BC  Canada

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 16 Jun 98 11:16:45 MST
Subject: Fraud warning...

From:  David Brown - Graphics Specialist ~SRP~ E-mail: debrown@srp.gov
*** Resending note of 06/16/98 11:14
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
                                    Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
That's absolutely terrible!!! I've bought and sold several things to other
LR owners via the various lists, (lights, wheel, tire, roof rack, lockers,
more??) and have NEVER had a problem with any transaction. Everything went
as planned, and all parts were as described, which was better than
anticipated. I even bought a IIa 109 via a list member, sight unseen (only a
photograph!). Still, I do realize that these things happen, and some LR
owners are a*%holes like any other brand of car owner out there.

I think COD is a very acceptable way of doing business, and will probably
want to do things this way the next time. I don't want to push my luck!

If it's any comfort to you, he's probably had the engine blow, then the
transmission... HEY! WAIT A MINUTE!!! THAT SOUNDS LIKE MY ROVER!!! DOOOH!!
What have I done to whom???

Dave Brown (Obviously in digest mode)

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From: JB Kropp <JB@flycast.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:24:35 -0700
Subject: FOR SALE: 1971 IIA

I have a great Series IIa that I need to sell!  It's an 88" hardtop with the
original Marine blue paint (faded a bit but looks good).  Here are some of
the other features: dual brakes, two-speed wiper motors (even has the washer
motor), excellent interior, engine runs great (purrs like a kitten,
seriously), Has all new filters and a recent tune up, overall the truck is
awesome and I hate to get rid of it.  I have even been told it is one of the
last iia made.  Anyway, the only thing I would get for it is 16" wheels and
maybe overdrive.  Although I have clocked it at going 60 mph on the highway
so some think overdrive doesn't last along long as they should.  I'm in the
San Francisco Bay Area so let me know if you want to check it out.
JB

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:36:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Forward to the Becketts (+ / - Earth)

Sorry All:
    Tried to e-mail them direct & it kicked back undeliverable.  Yes, this
is about Land Rovers!

Hi Ron:
    Sorry I took so long getting back.  I waited until I could read what you
sent.  Thanks for the info.  It was very helpful.  When I don't understand
something, I'm ussually not satisfied until I do.   Now that I understand,
Yes, I will change the system over.  I won't need the "specs" mentioned, but
I do appriciate the offer.  Thanks again for the Lucas enlightenment.

Yours:

Drew Squires
drewteri@concentric.net
Glenville,  NY  USA
66 109 (Still Getting Dressed)

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 16 Jun 98 11:54:19 MST
Subject: '41-'45 Willys for sale

From:  David Brown - Graphics Specialist ~SRP~ E-mail: debrown@srp.gov
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
                                    Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
I know I said I wouldn't post this to the LR lists again, but if interested,
email me at debrown@srp.gov or call 602.855.9602

Price was $3200, now a low low $2000 (Okay, maybe not "low low" but much
more reasonable!) ;-)

If even remotely interested, make an offer!!

Dave (Really, this is the last time, honest!) Brown

 Never give up your life for          #=======#         _____l___
 anything that death can take         |__|__|__\___    //__|__|__\___
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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:21:58 -0400
Subject: Re: G10 Winch!  -- AMAZING!!!

Hi All:

Giles wrote me regarding this & assured me it was not Spam.  
I believe him.  
I now think that he has offered us useful info that we can benefit from.

Drew Squires
drewteri@concentric.net
Glenville, NY  USA
66 109  (Still Getting Dressed)

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:29:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Alternator/Beluga Black

Hi Art:

    Still in warranty from NAPA?  Considering that you stressed it out, I'd
take it back & tell em it makes a funny noise & insist on a replacement.

Yours:

Drew Squires
drewteri@concentric.net
Glenville, NY  USA
66 109 (Still Getting Dressed)

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:33:18 EDT
Subject: Re:  Difference between a 110 and 130.

*20*  (or 17 if it is a 127)  ;-)

haha. 

Depending on what market it is for, some 110s have different wheels to the
130, some have the same (we in the US, apparently have the 110/130 wheels)...

The springs are probably different, and the rear axle which doesn't have the
levelling thingy; but I guess 110 HiCaps don't have that either...

The tail lights are different (even from the R.O.W. specced 110s), The 130 has
a rear tub like the HiCap, with the wide tailgate, and the tailights mounted
in a vertical line...

About 5 to 7 thousand UK pounds depending on options; the last time I checked,
two or so years back...

--pat.

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From: "Marc-Andre Leger" <ma@wsrv12.wefa.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:43:58 -0500
Subject: G10 Winch !

OK, So is it any good ? Because I need to buy a winch for the '94 D90 I just
got and this could be an interesting choice for me. I have a PTO winch on my
'73 Lightweight SIIa, but I don't tike I can or want to put a PTO winch on
my new toy !

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:50:18 -0400
Subject: Re: LR fraud warning

Mike:
    Cover your a** when you go.  Have a "Friendly Witness" or a good alibi.
I've found that guys like that are usually the type of coward that would
call the "Cops" & file charges, even if you didn't "do something."  Good
Luck!

Yours:

Drew Squires
drewteri@concentric.net
Glenville, NY  USA
66 109 (Still Getting Dressed)

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:55:22 EDT
Subject: Re:  spam (was Re: Lead Generation - postal, email & tel - your 
prospects)

In a message dated 6/16/98 10:52:42 AM, you wrote:

>What would be the opinion of not letting people subscribed to the list
>post to it?  That would stop most spammers.  

That's the way it is on another list I'm on... seems to work ok on that
list... 

the only drawback I could see is that there are some LRO's, known to( us or
who were regulars), who have unsubscribed temporarily for some reason, who may
post a question or something with a "reply-direct-to-me" directive, who would
then be unable to get their question answered...

--pat.

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From: tabercro@acadia.net (Tom Abercrombie)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:02:31 -0400
Subject: SII transfer case

any problems fitting a SII transfer case on a IIA  transmission?  right now
mine seems to be whining really loud.  all gear oils have been changed and
everything ssems okay, but i could be missing something.  if anyone has any
hints please let me know.  is it true that the SII has lower transfer
gears?

thanks

tom abercrombie
belfast, maine

'64SWB

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:02:36 EDT
Subject: re: Beluga Black

In a message dated 6/16/98 11:31:47 AM, you wrote:

>> Secondly, I was reading the archives last night and the color "Beluga
Black"
>was mentioned.
The roe of the large white sturgeon (Huso huso) of the Black and Caspian
seas is processed into Beluga Caviar. Caviar is blackish. A possibility?
>Beluga is derived from byeliî, which is Russian for white. Is Beluga
>Black i.e. White Black not self-contradictory, even paradoxical?
>.
So, does anyone know if Michael Jackson's Rangie is *Beluga Black*, or has it
just faded in the California sun?

--pat.

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From: Francois ADAMS <francois.adams@wanadoo.fr>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:28:08 +0200
Subject: Re:  Dormobiles : thanks for the reponse+question

Hello
I was only curious, I don't want to live in my car !
But you increase my need ok konwledge :-)
What is a radio body 101 ?? And full HT ?

Thanks
On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:59:11 EDT
SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:

SPYDERS> Look for a "radio-body" 101, it should have a full HT, and be a good 
candidate
SPYDERS> for a camper conversion...
SPYDERS> 
SPYDERS> --pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:44:10 EDT
Subject: Re:  Re:  Dormobiles : thanks for the reponse+question

In a message dated 6/16/98 4:30:43 PM, you wrote:

>I was only curious, I don't want to live in my car !
>But you increase my need ok konwledge :-)
>What is a radio body 101 ?? And full HT ?

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:47:52 EDT
Subject: Re:  Dormobiles : thanks for the reponse+question

In a message dated 6/16/98 4:30:43 PM, you wrote:

>I was only curious, I don't want to live in my car !
>But you increase my need ok konwledge :-)
>What is a radio body 101 ?? And full HT ?

Sorry 'bout the last one, I hit Send by accident. ooops.

Anyway, I din't mean to confuse, but i thought you were asking about using a
one ton forward control as the basis for a Dormobile conversion... a bit odd,
and hard to make the parts fit so I suggested a radio body 101.

A radio body 101 is fitted with a "box" rear compartment instead of the load
bed and canvas top, that way they could mount radios, etc., out of the
elements.

I meant Full Hard Top  by HT, as opposed to just over the driver, like a pick
up. There are sometime ads that show radio body 101s in LROI...

--pat.

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 16 Jun 98 13:45:23 MST
Subject: How do I know if I have a "Bugeye?"

From:  David Brown - Graphics Specialist ~SRP~ E-mail: debrown@srp.gov
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
                                    Pers. E-mail: rovernut@hotmail.com
Can anyone give me any clearly distinct characteristics of a "Bugeye" IIa?

Thanks, Dave Brown - Digest mode.

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 17:07:43 EST
Subject: Re: How do I know if I have a "Bugeye?"

                                    
>>Can anyone give me any clearly distinct characteristics of a "Bugeye" IIa?

headlights on the wings. instead of being recessed they protrude like those in 
the grill. big chrome trim rings and all. sort of stick out, like a bugs eyes.
they really are atrocious looking things...

daveb

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From: Alan Bishop <a.bishop@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:22:31 +0100
Subject: Re: Not a series 2 question. (FWD) (FWD)

This series 2A of mine (on a D plate) does it have positive or negative earth?

Before you go and tell me to look - I already have!!

Both terminals have heavy black leads coming from them - the negative 
side drops down below the battery (to wet to crawl underneath) and 
the positive side attaches to a large 'bolt' in the middle of the 
bulk head along with a couple of other thick black leads.

The reason for asking is really to make sure before fitting my radio 
and CD changer from my rover car because I don't want it all to go up in smoke.

It will be very interesting to see how the CD performs in the series 
2 - it will probably only work at traffic lights.

Regards

Alan.

(Sorry if this is repeated several times but when it does not appear 
on the group after about 4 hours I tend to think it is not going to. 
Hence I have reposted the message.)

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:25:03 -0700
Subject: RE: Not a series 2 question. (FWD) (FWD)

I'd say negative earth.  The "big bolt" on the bulkhead would be you're
starter switch, which is where it should go...

You should confirm this by getting out a flash light (torch) and seeing
where the negative earth attaches.  It should be to the frame or engine
block.

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88
Victoria, BC  Canada

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From: "d.h.lowe" <dhlowe@idirect.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 05:49:36 -0400
Subject: Re: V.8. Piston rings

Naw.........I`m bringing the lightweight. Kind of disappointing especially since
Tom T. had stated that if I finished the 101 in time for Ottawa or Greek  he
would eat his shorts........Welllllllll.......we will see. The machine shop is
cutting the grooves for $5.00 each which is the least expensive way and leaves
me with the more easily available 2mm. thick rings.

dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org wrote:

> >The Deves Piston Ring set number, is 2183, and the LIST price, is $(U.S.)
> >142.80.
> ok, there you go. we'll see you at Silver Lake (or in it)
> also DAP used to have lots of old rangie parts and I'm sure RN has them too.
> later
> daveb

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From: Frankelson@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:19:26 EDT
Subject: test

houtngf

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:27:40 EDT
Subject: Re:  How do I know if I have a "Bugeye?"

1:	Like Dave Bobeck said, those atrocious looking IIa's with the lights
"glued" on to the wings

2:  When you are driving along, imitating your dog by hanging your head out
the window, and all of a sudden, feel a sharp impact followed by pain in an
eye, chances are, it is a bug, and you now have a *bugeye*...

3:  You look in the mirror and one eye is a multi-faceted irridescent orb;
join the circus, you have a bugeye...

--pat.

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:28:49 EDT
Subject: Re:  test

In a message dated 6/16/98 6:24:30 PM, you wrote:

>houtngf

$#^&*^,  &^$#&*!  

;-)

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From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:44:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Lead Generation - postal, email & tel - your prospects

chrypkr wrote:
>  NEW LEAD GENERATING TECHNOLOGY - your customers are waiting !
>  We have developed the newest lead generating technology. 

Does this mean that I won't have to worry about fitting hardened valve
seats? Can I generate some lead to put in my petrol. Is this a Lucas
generator? Will I have the convert to negative earth? and did anyone
mention that Spam is a fine luncheon meat?
      John and Muddy

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From: "DENISE THOMSON" <denthomson@sprint.ca>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:17:00 -0400
Subject: Re: V.8. Piston rings

That big dog of yours pissed down the air cleaner and gummed up the works.
I hear that there are some of those things out on the west coast,  Maybe
you should get together and get enough part to get one that will work.  I
think Toms shorts are safe.

----------
> From: d.h.lowe <dhlowe@idirect.com>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: V.8. Piston rings
> Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 11:30 AM
> Last weekend I discovered that the pistons in my 101 are not the early
> type with the 2mm. thick compression rings but the later type with the
> 1.5mm thick. Of course I had a set of 2mm. replacement rings all ready
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> I am.taking the pistons to a machine shop tommorow to see about having
> the ring grooves cut to accept the 2mm. type.

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From: "DENISE THOMSON" <denthomson@sprint.ca>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:18:04 -0400
Subject: Re: V.8. Piston rings

----------
> From: d.h.lowe <dhlowe@idirect.com>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: V.8. Piston rings
> Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 11:30 AM
> Last weekend I discovered that the pistons in my 101 are not the early
> type with the 2mm. thick compression rings but the later type with the
> 1.5mm thick. Of course I had a set of 2mm. replacement rings all ready
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 23 lines)]
> I am.taking the pistons to a machine shop tommorow to see about having
> the ring grooves cut to accept the 2mm. type.

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:40:54 -0400
Subject: gaiters

The genuine items are made from Chamois leather, the stuff they use to clean
windows etc. It is much cheaper to buy a peice and cut out your own, then
treat the Chamois with petroleum jelly ( Vaseline in the UK ) 
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:43:44 -0400
Subject: Relay

Adrian, the steering relay rotates 360 degrees, there is'nt a standard
position. The top and bottom arms should be at right angles to each other.
The  lower arm should be parallel to the chassis side rail when the steering
is straight ahead.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:51:06 -0400
Subject: Engine noise

Martin, since you mention the possiblity of the combustion chamber falling
into the piston  I conclude that your poroblem is with a diesel
 This is a common problem. However an alternative situation can give rise to
the suspicion of a failed big end bearing and that is premature injection.
If the injector spring breaks, or the locknut comes loose the fuel is
injected very early, this has the effect of advancing the timing to such an
extent that it tries to fire on the upstroke and it sounds like a duff
crank. Something else to check. Whilst the engine is running, slacken the
feed pipe to each injector in turn, if the noise dissapppears when the
injector pipe is slackened then this points to the faulty injector.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:01:42 -0400
Subject: Ticking

Brian, I cant imagine the oil pump creating a ticking noise. You mention
that the noise is louder at the rear of the engine, what about the fuel pump ?
 Are you getting a good oil supply to the head ? It is very easy for the
small hole in the oil pipe banjo bolts  to become plugged and restrict  the
oil flow. 
 Have you fitted new valves ? are the tappet screws adjusted way out ? It is
possible for the tappett screws to touch the rocker cover.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:05:24 -0400
Subject: wide rims

In the sixties the 109 and 110 forward controls and the 1 tonne 109
bonnetted control LR's were fitted with wide rims, 6.5 inch, the early types
were less offset than th later types, these could be what you refer to as
Dormie rims. They have started making them again these past few years for
the 130's.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: D110LR@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:03:09 EDT
Subject: When SPAM was *funny*...  (Absolutely NO lr in this one folks)

Y'all remember Monty Python's *SPAM* song? For those who do, sing along; those
who don't, here are the lyrics to the "song", just move your lips...

Man: Morning.
Waitress: Morning.
M: Well, what you got?
W: Well, there's egg and bacon; egg, sausage and bacon; egg and spam;
    egg, bacon and spam; egg, bacon, sausage and spam; spam, bacon,
    sausage and spam; spam, egg, spam, spam, bacon and spam; spam,
    sausage, spam, spam, spam, bacon, spam, tomato and spam; spam, spam,
    spam, egg and spam; (vikings start singing in background) spam, spam,
    spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans, spam, spam, spam and spam.

Vikings in harmony:
 Spam, spam,
 spam, spam, 
 spam, spam,
 spamitty-spam, spamitty-spam
lovely spam, lovely spam.

W (cont...): or lobster thermador ecrovets with a bernaise sauce, served
    in the purple salm manner with shallots and overshies, garnished with
    truffle pate, brandy, a fried egg on top and spam.
Wife: Have you got anything without spam?
Waitress: Well, there's spam, egg, sausage and spam.  That's not got
much spam in it.
Wife: I don't want any spam!
M: Why can't she have egg, bacon, spam and sausage?
Wife: That's got spam in it.
M: It hasn't got as much spam in it as spam, egg, sausage and spam has it?
Wife: (over vikings starting again) Could you do me egg, bacon, spam and
    sausage without the spam then?
Waitress: Ech!
Wife: What do you mean ech!  I don't like spam!
Viking chorus: 
 
 Spam, spam,
 spam, spam, 
 spam, spam,
 spamitty-spam, spamitty-spam
lovely spam, lovely spam.

Wa: Shut up! Shut up! Shut up!  Bloody vikings.  You can't have egg, bacon
    spam and sausage without the spam.
Wi: I don't like spam!
M: Shhhh dear, don't cause a fuss.  I'll have your spam.  I love it.  I'm
having spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans, spam,
spam, spam and spam. (starts vikings off again)
Viking chorus: 
 
 Spam, spam,
 spam, spam, 
 spam, spam,
 spamitty-spam, spamitty-spam
lovely spam, lovely spam.

Wa: Shut up!  Baked beans are off.
M: Well, can I have her spam instead of the baked beans?
Wa: You mean spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam,
spam, spam, and spam?

Vikings:

 Spam, spam,
 spam, spam, 
 spam, spam,
 spamitty-spam, spamitty-spam
lovely spam, lovely spam.                 <fade>        <record needle
scratch>

Ok, ok, I didn't sit and transcribe it, I cut-n-pasted, illegally probably
from:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~bigmac/python.html

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From: poufo66@vlsi.kaist.ac.kr (interexp)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 98 05:02:16 +0300
Subject: Global Internet Exposure (we do the work)

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:12:59 EDT
Subject: Re:  wide rims

In a message dated 6/16/98 10:05:47 PM, you wrote:

[snip]
>6.5 inch, the early types
>were less offset than th later types, these could be what you refer to as
>Dormie rims. They have started making them again these past few years for
>the 130's.

And, for the NAS 110s in '92. The offset? 2.25"   *Two and a Quarter* (there's
that number again) inches... 

There must be a person whose job it is to assign numbers to engineering: "Hey,
we need a dimension 'ere..."  "Ok, how about 2.25, sounds familiar..."
"yeah, what did we do with that number last time?"

--pat.

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From: Mike Johnson <johnsonm@borg.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:13:38 -0400
Subject: Re: How do I know if I have a "Bugeye?"

                                  
<<<Can anyone give me any clearly distinct characteristics of a "Bugeye" IIa?
<headlights on the wings. instead of being recessed they protrude like
those in 
<the grill. big chrome trim rings and all. sort of stick out, like a bugs
eyes.
<they really are atrocious looking things...

Or when your looking for the chrome ring around the headlamp on the wing,
you find 10,000 chrome rings ..... you got a bugeye.

Cheers

Mike Johnson
'74 SIII 88 (Chester)
***This space available***
http://www.borg.com/~johnsonm

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:07:09 +0200
Subject: Re: Global Internet Exposure (we do the work)

interexp wrote:
>   **** EXPOSURE to YOUR MARKET
>   ****  Have you  captured your Internet Market ?
>  THE INTERNET
>  There are currently over 45 million Internet users and thousands are
>  joining each day. Currently, the Internet is experiencing both a

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>  __________________________________________
>  *** end ***

This's really starting to pee me off! Can't the major do something?
 
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za
http://AfricanAdrenalin.com

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From: "drew squires" <drewteri@concentric.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:35:57 -0400
Subject: Re: When SPAM was *funny*...  (Absolutely NO lr in this one folks)

Hi:
    When you cut & pasted this, did you send the "Spammer" a couple of
hundred copies?   Just a thought!

Drew Squires
drewteri@concentric.net
Glenville, NY  USA
66 109 (Still Getting Dressed)

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From: Rovergo@aol.com
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 02:44:09 EDT
Subject: RE:Ticking

 brian .
  Check curved surface of rocker that contacts valve stem they wear with a
groove in them and after valve job valve stem doesnt ride in groove the same
as before if valve stem rides across end of groove it causes ticking and
excessive stem and guide wear ?
 Pat Young
65 11a 88.

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From: Rovergo@aol.com
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 02:58:18 EDT
Subject: Re(?): Help! steering problems on a 90...

Stupid question center diff isn't locked is it ?
Pat Young
65 11a 88.

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From: Rovergo@aol.com
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 03:06:37 EDT
Subject: 11 A Body re-install

Done this one a couple of times! fit body parts to frame and each other loosly
and shim & tighten as needed so it all fits straight. it will take a couple
adjustments on most parts as you add more to your british puzzle. good luck
and have patients it will all fit!.
 Pat Young
65 11a 88.

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:12:35 +1000
Subject: Fw: Rolled series vehicle

It seems that Graham didn't send this message to the Coiler or Series list
so here goes.

Ron

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From: Semih Bingol <semih@leo.ee.hun.edu.tr>
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:01:10 +0400 (EET DST)
Subject: Re: Fw: Rolled series vehicle

Ron,

can you please post this message again. The major has
Lucased it.

Semih Bingol
74 SIII 88 2.25 petrol

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