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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:39:48 +1000
Subject: Somewhere in East Tennessee

Ed Bailey's signature says:

>Somewhere in East Tennessee

Ed,  I'm sure that someone will be able to find you if you fire off a few
flares or set off the EPIRB.

BTW, I have an EPIRB in my Rangie - I know it seems like a wank but there
were at least two 4WD owners in Australia last year that had or needed an
EPIRB in the bush.

In one case they did have one and were rescued from a Patrol washed off a
road by a flood in a really remote part of the country.  Another pair didn't
have one and nearly died from lack of water in the desert.  They were lucky
to be found.

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, Australia
check my web site at www.users.bigpond.com/hillman

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From: IBEdwardp@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:14:04 EDT
Subject: Re: Somewhere in East Tennessee

In a message dated 98-06-12 06:59:45 EDT, you write:

<< Ed,  I'm sure that someone will be able to find you if you fire off a few
 flares or set off the EPIRB.
  >>
Thanks for the advice, Ron.  I believe it was Robert Rouark who said, "You
can't be lost if you don't care where you are."  Usually, I don't.  While our
Great Smoky Mountains comprise a relatively large expanse of wilderness (for
the eastern U.S.), they don't come close in area to your outback or even to
the western U.S.  Maybe just a few flares. In many instances I suppose I could
just fire up the LR and someone would come looking to find out what all the
racket was about.  Thanks.

Ed Bailey
66 S2a 88
Somewhere in East Tennessee

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:03:17 EDT
Subject: 35 amp Fuse substitution

Paul: I think the 15 amp fuse would be OK. Try using one in a non emergency
situation first with a good 17/35 handy to replace it if it blows. Cheers,
Andy

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:34:14 -0400
Subject: Re: 35 amp Fuse substitution

I went browsing the Web, and on a Jag page I ran across this:

The UK uses a different definition of the rating for fuses than the U.S.
does.
The U.S. rating is for how much current the fuse will carry without
blowing;
the UK rating is for the amount of current to blow the fuse within a
certain
 time. Simon S. Johnson sends the following data: "...the source: a 1974
edition
 of "Buss Fuse Car and Truck List" which has on the back cover a section
call
 "Foreign Car Fuse Replacement Data," -- foreign to the U.S., that is. It
states
 that "English standards differ from U.S. standards. This accounts for
difference
 in ampere ratings." Then it provides a list:

           Englist Type
                      Buss Replacement
           50 amp
                      AGC 30
           35 amp
                      AGC 25
           30 amp
                      AGC 20
           25 amp
                      AGC 15
           20 amp
                      AGC 10
           10 amp
                      AGC  7.5
            5 amp
                      AGC  3

In my personal experience I've always had good luck with 20-amp fast blow
fuses
- the cross-section of the elements in both seems to be equal (and no, I
have not
 micrometered it, though that's not a bad idea....hmmmmm).

I disagree with the Buss rating up above - it seems to be a bit on the high
 side.

Anyone know the disconnect time rating on the 35-amp Lucas fuse? From this
and
my old Littlefuse catalogues I can do the math and come up with a proper
answer.

     aj"We don' need no steenking fuses - that's what wire's for!"r

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From: Keith Mohlenhoff <krm@nj.paradyne.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:41:34 -0400
Subject: G-10 winch in latest LROI magazine article

Hello;
Subject says it all, didn't read any of the articles, just looked at the
pictures.

Received the magazine last night, had a meeting and a dentist
appointment didn't have time to read any articles.

Keith R. Mohlenhoff

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From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 8:48:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Perkins diesel option on 1965 109 PU

Rover did not put Perkins motors in their trucks. They offered thier own 
diesel and it would surprise me greatly if this was an option to USA 
customers.
Nothing shabby about Perkins Diesels. They are wonderful engines. 
Don't expect cheek flapping speed in anything that includes "Rover "and 
"Diesel" in the same phrase. I don't expect you'll have any problems with 
such a configuration.
Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@email.msn.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:56:58 +0100
Subject: Land Rover Series III 1974 UK

Hi,

I've just acquired the above, apart from a wheel falling off when I picked
it up...(what a story!) - it is a bit different to my Ford Explorer! I was
wondering what you would advise as to colour changing - it is a horrible
shade of bright blue at the moment, I either want to do it in Matt Black or
Dark Green. What paint should I use?

Also, please forgive me, but the steering was very vague (lots of wobble?) -
is this a characteristic, or should I get it checked?

Any common problems with these vehicles?

Neil

Northampton UK - see you all at Billing!!!

"mines a beer with twigs in it!"

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From: Norman Lewis <norm@kpco.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 06:59:04 -0600
Subject: Re: Perkins Diesel "option"

It is very unlikely that this '65 109 has a Perkins diesel in it.  I
have talked to this same gentleman.  He has no familiarity with
Land-Rovers, and I suspect he is passing on mis-information given to
him.  Perkins engines were never an option in NADA Land-Rovers, but it
was a widely spread mis-conception for many years that the stock diesel
engine offered in Land-Rovers was a Perkins diesel.  Since the
Land-Rovers were apparently bought by the ranch new from an established
Land-Rover dealer, there is little reason to expect that they would have
been converted to a Perkins diesel instead of being sold with the
Land-Rover diesel.  Ask him to photograh the engine and I'm sure you
will find its the Rover diesel.

______________
  From: nickf@infocom.com (Nick Fankhauser)
> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:45:36 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Perkins diesel option on 1965 109 PU
> Hello all-
> I've got a question for the historians out there. I'm exchanging e-mail with
> a guy in Dallas who has a '65 109" pickup with a perkins diesel in it. I'm
> really interested in buying the truck from him if it turns out that this is
> a good and serviceable engine. I've asked for details on the engine, but he
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> Nick Fankhauser      | http://www.co.wayne.in.us/wayneco
> nickf@co.wayne.in.us | http://www.infocom.com/~nickf

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From: Peter Goundry <peterg@aircast.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:02:57 -0400
Subject: Judge Dredd

You will find an image at www.aircast.com/peterg under other Rover 
Images. It is the vehicle currently in the display hall at the 
Heritage Centre in Gayden, Warwickshire. There will be other images up 
shortly of the vehicle that took part in the Heritage run held April 
of this year. I commissioned my sister to go there and take lots of 
Pics.
Peter Goundry
67 GS 109 IIA, 73 Lightweight, 97 D90 #127

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:07:54 +0100
Subject: Re: Land Rover Series III 1974 UK

 There is only one colour:   NATO Green!  :-)

 But then, I would say that...

 Bronze Green is pretty standard, but a bit boring.
 Other schemes I've liked, and may use in the future...    UK Coastguard
and /RAE (both use a blue  and yellow scheme), and UN White.

Steering: The steering box can be tightened up. also check your track rod
ends,etc. Not something I've done much with.   I've had a new steering box
fitted, which was a huge improvement. A bit more pricey than tightening it
up though!  (GBP 100 in the UK + similar in manpower expense).
If you end up replacing the steering box, the 1 ton variant is recommented
- it has lower gearing on the steering - making manouvering easier...

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

metal_thrasher@email.msn.com on 06/12/98 01:56:58 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Land Rover Series III 1974 UK

Hi,
I've just acquired the above, apart from a wheel falling off when I picked
it up...(what a story!) - it is a bit different to my Ford Explorer! I was
wondering what you would advise as to colour changing - it is a horrible
shade of bright blue at the moment, I either want to do it in Matt Black or
Dark Green. What paint should I use?
Also, please forgive me, but the steering was very vague (lots of wobble?)
-
is this a characteristic, or should I get it checked?
Any common problems with these vehicles?
Neil
Northampton UK - see you all at Billing!!!
"mines a beer with twigs in it!"

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From: Alan_Richer@motorcity2.lotus.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:05:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Land Rover Series III 1974 UK

Welcome!

Wobbly steering:

These old beasts can be vague, but wobbly is bad. You need to check tie-rod
ends, steering-box adjustments, and swivel ball bearings and the like -
this can be tightened up, and a simple thing like a bad tie-rod end can
cause a load of problems.

Did I mention a manual set is a really good idea?

Re: Colour:

Bronze Green is the dark-green colour that Rover put on these old boys for
a dark-green. It's a great colour - soesn't show dirt too badly and just
generally looks classy.

Black shows up the irregularities in the skins with light reflections - I
wouldn't.

                         Alan

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From: Jarvis64@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:08:35 EDT
Subject: Outta here/ Off rd. in NJ/Dana part #s

 Well everybody,
I need to pack up my trusty Mac Classic tomorrow, so I will be with you all
only in spirit until I get settled in in GA.  Actually, I'll be w/ some of you
in person at the Bday Party or in your home town.  

Thanks to everyone who got in touch with me who lives along the Ont.-Ohio-MO-
KS- CO-NJ-DC-NC-TN-GA route I'll be taking over the next month.

P.S.  I'll be in northern NJ this weekend and found what looks like a great
(as in, good idea to have a winch) trail up in the hills of Sussex county a
few weeks ago w/ Peter G.  Anyone want to go give it a whirl on Sunday
afternoon?  If so, call me at (315) 788-2335 by Saturday a.m., or at (908)
850-9764 anytime thereafter.  Pls. don't e-mail me as this is probably the
last time I'll read my e-mail for a long while.

Bill Rice

P.P.S.  the Dana part # for a Salisbury rear axle pinion seal is 47492, a fact
I discovered after reducing the old seal to a pile of leather and metal bits
and discovering that I'd been sold the wrong part (by a LR parts person!).  A
trip to NAPA with a trusty friend w/ a boring modern vehicle was all it took.

PLEASE NOTE the all-inclusive, specific, relevant title.

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From: "Neil Brownlee" <metal_thrasher@email.msn.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:17:27 +0100
Subject: Re: Land Rover Series III 1974 UK

Thanks for the colour advice!

What type of paint should I use though?

Neil

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:24:38 +0100
Subject: Re: Land Rover Series III 1974 UK

Depends how posh you want to be.  I'm happy with a brush and Genuine
MoD-surplus paint.
I use Hammerite for the bumpers (I have them white which looks quite good
with NATO Green body), but this chips badly.

You maybe looking for something that looks a bit more "professional", so
I'll let others outline spray techniques....   :-)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

metal_thrasher@email.msn.com on 06/12/98 02:17:27 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  Re: Land Rover Series III 1974 UK

Thanks for the colour advice!
What type of paint should I use though?
Neil

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From: trowe@cdr.wisc.edu
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:29:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Perkins Diesel "option"

It's pretty easy to tell. On the 65 Rover diesel, the injection pump is on
the right side (viewed from the cab) of the engine, is vertical and is
mounted on the block. The Perkins has the pump on the left, it's horizontal
and is attached to the timing case.
Another significant difference, noticeable to anyone, is that on the Rover
diesel the inlet and exhaust manifolds are both on the left. On the
Perkins, the exhaust is on the left, and the inlet on the right. On the
Rover, the injectors are on the Right, on the Perkins they are on the left.
Those are a few of the differences, off the top of my head.

Tom Rowe
Network Systems Administrator
WI Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI
608-265-6194 Fax: 608-262-1578
trowe@cdr.wisc.edu

Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: kandk@lineone.net
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:36:47 +0100
Subject: For Sale

Just a quickie!

I have a series 111 109" V8 for sale if anyone is interested.

The details are as follows

Gen 35000 mls, truck cab, 3/4 tilt with canvass, masai red, rover SD1 seats,
light bar with spots and Hi Vis lights, twin fans, CB radio, spots, 12
months MoT. etc etc etc.

Must sell before billing to get the rangie ready.

Any offer between £1500 - £1800 will be accepted.

Keith Williams

kandk@lineone.net

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From: West <GebietWest@ATELCO.DE>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:05:33 +0200
Subject: AW: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

	RE : HF Communication 

> Hi all.....
> I am interested in determining if there are LR owners who are Amateur
> Radio Operators, that operate HF from their LR's or from home. Drop me
> line if you want to arrange a sked.
> Jon, W8JON

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> prbbs:   	DG5DBV@DB0YAB.#NRW.DEU.EU
> hpage:		http://www.qsl.net/dg5dbv

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From: "james howington" <jphowington@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:52:45 PDT
Subject: Re: Land Rover Series III 1974 UK

Does it change lanes all by itself? I would have it cheched out, just to 
be safe.

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>Hi,
>I've just acquired the above, apart from a wheel falling off when I 
picked
>it up...(what a story!) - it is a bit different to my Ford Explorer! I 
was
>wondering what you would advise as to colour changing - it is a 
horrible
>shade of bright blue at the moment, I either want to do it in Matt 
Black or
>Dark Green. What paint should I use?
>Also, please forgive me, but the steering was very vague (lots of 
>To: lro@playground.sun.com
wobble?) -
>is this a characteristic, or should I get it checked?
>Any common problems with these vehicles?
>Neil
>Northampton UK - see you all at Billing!!!
>"mines a beer with twigs in it!"
>Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:56:58 +0100
>Message-ID: <bulk.3100.19980612055649@Land-Rover.Team.Net>
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>"mines a beer with twigs in it!"
>  ** 'lro' mailing list information from 
'majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net'
>is this a characteristic, or should I get it checked?

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From: jberg@hearstnewmedia.com (Jeff Berg)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:45:08 -0400
Subject: RE: 35 AMP FUSES - substitutions

Paul Quin asks:

>So, as a safe hack in an emergency, when Lucas fuses are not available,
>would you recommend using U.S. 15 amp fuses?
>Is anything in the system likely to draw more then 15 amps?

Before I switched over to a four-fuse Richer Engineering fuse block I used
an 8 amp fuse in the upper buss on FINSUP's 2-fuse stock block for more
than a year. Never blew--though it did finally corrode into uselessness--so
I saw no reason to overfuse the puppy. Forget what I put in the second
time--but I doubt it was over 10 amps. That fuse is probably still in one
of the four busses on the new block.

Your mileage may vary.

RoverOn!

jab

==
Jeffrey A. Berg
Macintosh Systems Consultant
Phone     (212) 649-2322
FAX        (212) 957-8524
mailto:jberg@hearstnewmedia.com

To report HNMC Macintosh problems use
mailto:support@hearstnewmedia.com
Remember, the subject line must include
NMC MAC "Brief Description"

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:03:00 -0400
Subject: Fuses-sizing empirically

One possibility in the fuse department is to measure the actual requirements
of each fused circuit. Connect a suitable digital ammeter into each circuit
in turn and with things operating normally and the engine turning fast
enough to be putting out a decent charge measure the current for each
circuit when everything is turned on.
The rating of fuses, fast blow, is about 90% of the current that the fuse
will carry indefinitely.  Therefore for maximum protection it is not
necessary to fit a fuse whose capacity is any greater than say 130% of the
measured demand on the circuit. If slow blow fuses are used this can be
decreased even further because the fuse is designed to carry the current
surges of motor starting. The main object of the fuse or fusible links is to
open the circuit before the wires carry sufficient current for sufficient
time to melt the insulation and cause further shorts, fires, etc. By sizing
the fuse conservatively the maximum protection is provided.

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:19:19 -0700
Subject: Fusion & Fission WAS Fuses-sizing empirically

Which brings to mind: just why is a fuse called a fuse?  It doesn't
really 'fuse' to any thing when it blows, does it?  It more or less
'fissions' for lack of a better term.  Well anyway, it melts.

Paul Quin
Victoria BC Canada

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From: Easton Trevor <Trevor_Easton@dofasco.ca>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:21:00 -0400
Subject: Non electrical fuel gauges.

For those who have a pressing need to know the exact contents of their tank
at all times.
Find a pressure gauge that measures inches of water. Choose one with a range
of about 0-25inches.
Fit a tube into one of the holes in the top of the tank so that its open end
reaches down to the bottom of the tank. Attach a line between this tube  and
the gauge. Tee into this line with a small air pump (Blood Pressure Monitor
Bulb).
Pump gently until the gauge reaches a maximum reading .The pressure in
inches of water is about 0.88 x the depth of fuel above the end of the tube
you fitted in the tank. Most gauges measuring inches of water will be quite
accurate and there's no friction, nothing to rust, no parts to jam, no
floats to sink.

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From: Mike Cattell <Mike@mikecat.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:15:54 +0100
Subject: Re: Any sites with Judge Dredd photos?

In article <bulk.21440.19980611182326@Land-Rover.Team.Net>,
rovah@agate.net writes
>If anyone knows of a website(s) with photos of the Judge Dredd trucks, I'd
>appreciate the URL! :-)
>Thanks in advance!  John
>John Cassidy
>Bangor, Maine USA

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>Series IIA 88" "SWAMBO,"  1963 Unimog 404.1-S "The Caterpiller,"  1968
>Porsche 911L, Series 109" Project

Here's a picture taken at the museum at Gaydon on Landrovers 50th birthday
party. The quality nots so good but may be of interest 

Mike

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http://www.mikecat.demon.co.uk/
GLASS rep for Cheshire and parts of NE Wales

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:41:58 +1000
Subject: rubber seals for lights?

Vel Natarajan asked:
>Does anyone know where you can buy new rubber seals for the
>brake/turn-signal lights without buying the whole assembly?

Vel,  I had to do one of my cars (not LR) and I bought the rubber sheeting
at a company which deals in rubber parts for restored cars.  I'm sure the
would be similar places in the USA.  I just cut mine from that.  Another car
needed foam sheet and they had closed cell foam in varios thicknesses too.

Check your restored or classic cars mags on the news stand for suppliers

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:47:33 +1000
Subject: Any sites with Judge Dredd photos?

John wrote:

>If anyone knows of a website(s) with photos of the Judge Dredd
> trucks, I'd appreciate the URL! :-)

Me too.

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:46:31 +1000
Subject: Perkins diesel option on 1965 109 PU

Nick Fankhauser wrote:

> I've asked for details on the engine, but he doesn't seem to have
> info like the model, displacement, etc

Others will confirm but if he can give you the model no, you'll know the
engine capacity.  I believe the Perkins uses nomeclature like 4203  meaning
4 cylinder 203 ci.

Ron

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From: "The Becketts" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:52:26 +1000
Subject: weight of a Rangie

drew squires wrote:

>How much does an 87 Range Rover weigh?  

EEC Kerb weight (with fuel and oil and 75kg driver) = 4246 lb for the auto

Ron

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:03:58 EDT
Subject: Re: 35 amp Fuse substitution + SPOT column

Al Richer provided a handy list, but it was missing the S.P.O.T.* replacement
guide... 

(I know there must be some people in Louisiana who've seen the S.P.O.T. stuff
as mandatory in that state's Vehicle Code, and to help keep in compliance...)

Then it provides a list:

           Englist Type
                      			Buss Replacement		
S.P.O.T. Replacement
           50 amp
                      			AGC 30					
Solid Steel Rod, or bolt.
           35 amp
                      			AGC 25					
14 AWG Wire, stripped & doubled over
           30 amp
                      			AGC 20					
14 AWG wire, stripped
           25 amp
                      			AGC 15					
Big ol' wad o' tin foil
           20 amp
                      			AGC 10					
Tin foil
           10 amp
                      			AGC  7.5				
Chewing gum wrapper
            5 amp
                      			AGC  3					
Single strand of wire, twisted between
contacts

*S.P.O.T.: Stupid Previous-Owner Trick

I'm sure we've all seen these spots on too many VW's, MGB's & other old
stuff... I have.

--pat.

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From: Alberto Morante <amorante@lehman.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:08:05 +0000
Subject: Miami Beach - Blue Diamond Apt. Beachfront . Info

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. Oceanside pool with 2 spas, children's pool, & poolside café
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 e-mail: aa.altman@worldnet.att.net   or:  amorante@computer.org
 visit site: http://home.att.net/~aa.altman/Anny.html

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:14:00 EDT
Subject: Re:  weight of a Rangie

In a message dated 6/12/98 6:55:06 PM, you wrote:

>EEC Kerb weight (with fuel and oil and 75kg driver) = 4246 lb for the auto

I like how they make sure to mention *oil*... I mean, how far would one get
without it? Can you imagine some dimwit beureaucrat who came up with that
saying, "ok, we'll drain the radiator, but keep in the engine oil, just for
the weighing bit..."

I would have thought if they told us a vehicle weighed X, that would mean the
vehicle, in a condition to drive it, maybe without the driver, as when doing a
weight and balance or loading cargo or whatever, one should always use the
actual weights...

The other ambiguous bit is when they give the maximum axle capacities... I
mean, if one loaded 3000 pounds of lead against the rear door, it wouldn't do
much to the front axle, but if it was put in the back seat, it may affect both
axles, right? So these people that insist on vehicle weight stickers think I
have a scale in my non-existent garage?

Anyway, I'm sure for some it will be very important one day... i wonder if
land rovers get heavier as they get older... accumulated oil & gunk, rust
(ferrous oxide is heavier, isn't it?)...

oh well...

--pat.

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:29:34 +0200
Subject: Re: 35 AMP FUSES - substitutions

Does anyone have the correct method for fitting gaiters to the balls?
Do they really need to be soaked in Vaseline first?

How should the laces be laced - one lip has two rows of holes, the other
has one row, and the holes appear to line up.

Which way should the laced joint point - up down, forwards backwards?

And finally - do these things really help keep your balls shiny, or do
they just accumulate a lot of crud and sand which will eventually wear
your balls out.

Having fitted them, do they need to be "emptied" and cleaned or
relubricated?

Any words of wisdom welcome...

Adrian Redmond

(Of course - I'm talking about swivel balls, front axle, SIII 88") :-)

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:16:56 EDT
Subject: Re:  Miami Beach SPAM

Did you all get that spam, or was it directed at me? I thought at first it was
just a junk mail directed at me, but then I saw the lro@... address.  So, how
do we fry these people?

--pat.
(in Miami Beach)

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From: "james howington" <jphowington@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:59:09 PDT
Subject: Re:gaiters

If you don't soak them with vasaline they may get dry and crack, like an 
old boot.

You lace them up by folding the side with two rows of holes over, with 
the side with one set sandwitched in between.

Fit them so the seam is pointing down.

I have a set and so far so good after 4 years.

>From owner-lro@playground.sun.com Fri Jun 12 16:18:20 1998
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>Reply-To: lro@playground.sun.com
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>Message-ID: <bulk.16569.19980612161559@Land-Rover.Team.Net>
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>Do they really need to be soaked in Vaseline first?
>How should the laces be laced - one lip has two rows of holes, the 
other
>has one row, and the holes appear to line up.
>Which way should the laced joint point - up down, forwards backwards?
>And finally - do these things really help keep your balls shiny, or do
>they just accumulate a lot of crud and sand which will eventually wear
>your balls out.
>Having fitted them, do they need to be "emptied" and cleaned or
>Message-ID: <bulk.16569.19980612161559@Land-Rover.Team.Net>
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>has one row, and the holes appear to line up.

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From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:53:56 +0200
Subject: Re: 35 AMP FUSES - substitutions

Woops - that should have read GAITERS! sorry!

(And I wrote about gettiong our act toghether on subject lines.... :-)

Adrian Redmond

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From: "William L. Leacock" <wleacock@pipeline.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:43:55 -0400
Subject: Perkins diesels

Nick. I think your contact on the Perkins diesels is not very knowledgable.

 There are a number of perkins engines which could be firtted to the LR
ranging from an ancient three cylinder through several four cylinder
versions. They make a 4. 108 which is a 4 cylinder 108 cubic inches , a 4.
154 ( somewhere around 2.5 litres )   which was fitted to a number of vans
in Europe, this one will rev and has good power ratings, an excellent choice
for Land Rovers.a newer engine is the 4. 182 which was a popular conversion
for 90's and Range Rovers due to it's relatively high revs.  a   4. 203, a
tractor / industrial engine, max revs 2600, needs gearing up to use the
oodles of torque ( I had one in an 88 that would do 90 miles an hopur, but
would'nt stop !! ) then a 4 . 236,  a larger version of the 203, high
torque, low revs.

 Perkins make excellent diesel engines, but they require some modifications
to fit. The high torque versions wreck trannies and axles if not driven
carefully.
Bill Leacock  ( Limey in exile ) NY USA.
 88 and 109 LR's and 89 RR 

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:16:03 EDT
Subject: Re:gaiters

In a message dated 6/12/98 8:01:47 PM, you wrote:

>Fit them so the seam is pointing down.
>I have a set and so far so good after 4 years.

That's odd... All the instruction sheets I have seen from LR have the lacing
horizontal... with the stitching to the front... Maybe when I actually line up
the leather with the retaining plates and the holes in the swivel, the lacings
will be up or down. Not the first time an instruction sheet's pictures are
misleading...

 My first thought was to have the lacing in the vertical plane, so that when
the wheels turn ( as in side to side, not as in roll), the lacings wouldn't
bunch up in a scrunch.

FWIW, the LR manual I have says to adjust the steering stops out 2mm if
gaiters are fitted... which decreases the amount your wheels can be turned,
which increases (!) the turning radius...

--pat.

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From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:09:14 -0700
Subject: Acurate Fuel Guage

I purchased a round gauge and new sender from West Valley Instruments in So.
Cal. It fit perfectly in the aux instrument panel I purchased from our Sponsor
(British Bulldog)--this is the thing that sometimes holds the temp gauge/oil
pressure gauge on IIAs.  Needed a voltage stablizer and the sender needed an arm
adjustment so that it was vertical when the tank was empty.  The system reads
perfectly.  

C

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From: B4UTRY@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:48:49 EDT
Subject: Re: Miami Beach - Blue Diamond Apt. Beachfront . Info

what are the expected maintenance and other fees. what about other apts. or
small houses

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From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:42:43 +0200
Subject: Re: Miami Beach - Blue Diamond Apt. Beachfront . Info

Alberto Morante wrote:
> Please take a look at the following jewel we have to offer.
> Three (3)  Bedroom, three (3) Bath, 2338 sq.ft., Oceanfront apartment,
> is in the North East corner of the 29th floor of the Blue Diamond, a
> 45-story condominium tower, perfectly positioned on the Golden Mile
> (millionaire's row) of  Miami Beach , at 4725 Collins Ave, next to the
> Fontainebleau Hilton, where a 500-foot beachfront location and its
> multifaceted amenities are waiting for you.
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>  e-mail: aa.altman@worldnet.att.net   or:  amorante@computer.org
>  visit site: http://home.att.net/~aa.altman/Anny.html

Hey Guys,

Hows about we give these jerks a spamfest-deluxe. This Alberto dude
seems to be working for Lehman Bros (the stockbrokers). Their world HQ
addresses are: 

Lehman Brothers Locations
  
           New York City
           World Headquarters
           3 World Financial Center
           New York, NY 10285
           USA
           Main Telephone Number
           (212) 526-7000
           (800) 666-2388
           Fax Number
           (212) 526-3738

           London
           European Headquarters
           One Broadgate, 6th Floor
           London EC2M 7HA
           England
           Main Telephone Number
           (44 171) 601-0011
           Fax Number
           (44 171) 260-2999 
                                  
Prices of Int faxing is a bit prohibitive from SA but I'm sure that you
stateside and UK-based list members could tie up their faxlines for
quite a long time... ;->
              
Regards

Paul Oxley
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za
http://Adventures.co.za
http://AfricanAdrenalin.com

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From: David Scheidt <david@infocom.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:34:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:gaiters

On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 SPYDERS@aol.com wrote:

> That's odd... All the instruction sheets I have seen from LR have the lacing
> horizontal... with the stitching to the front... Maybe when I actually line up
> the leather with the retaining plates and the holes in the swivel, the lacings
> will be up or down. Not the first time an instruction sheet's pictures are
> misleading...
>  My first thought was to have the lacing in the vertical plane, so that when
> the wheels turn ( as in side to side, not as in roll), the lacings wouldn't
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 10 lines)]
> the wheels turn ( as in side to side, not as in roll), the lacings wouldn't
> bunch up in a scrunch.

The lacings go down, so that when you get water or muck or whatever in
them it can find its way out.  It is a good idea to check the condition of
the gaiters on a regular basis.  If they develop a tear at the top they
can fill up with things that do your swivel balls no good.  I don't know
if you need to change your steering stops or not.  Fit them and see if at
full lock there is a problem.  

David/mr sinclair.

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From: "John McMaster" <john@chiaroscuro.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:12:08 +0100
Subject: RE: Miami Beach SPAM

Write back and ask if it has got a triple garage (9 foot ceiling/door) and a
separate workshop with both hydraulic ramp and a pit + storage space for
spares? Otherwise why SPAM a Land Rover list?

Oh, and it did seem to go about 20 times ;-)

john
______________________
John McMaster
john@chiaroscuro.co.uk

green/purple 110/Massey Ferguson

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